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FILE NAME: Garlock (GAR) DATE: 1973 June 7 DOC#: GAR082 DOCUMENT DESCRIPTION: Meeting Minutes with Attendee List - Asbestos Textile Institute GAR 00 1-U .ASBESTOS TEXTILE INSTITUTE C e n e m i Meeting June 7, 1973 Euy Bridge Marriott, /Arlington, Virginia In Attendance 7/CVTEX CORPORATIOM W. Maan)cant M. J. Scanlon U. H. Halter BELL A5PESTO ."-TUES LTD. U. H. Smith GRRLOCK IIC. S. G. Dixit A. Xuzauk Joans-MAKVILLE COnPOPATIOM C. G. Guerin T. P. Jackson J. P, Power (C.J-M) V?* 9 . Reitze C. Streib nicourr i n d u s t r i e s , i h c . E. W. Russell J. K. Vhittaker H. X. PORTER COJtPA'TY, I1JC E. C. Eratt 0. E. Childers J. W. Echurd L. E. Moody LAKE ASBESTOS OF OECrC LTD. B. A. Farrell R* Lefebvre C. E. Stiefkcr. (.'inarco} MJUFACTORAr. MULTIPLES 5.A. R. A m a i Olivo C-AnW-LADER, IJXrrXRSPAP 6 TAT? E. J. Leff a m e t j c .V! s o c i e t y f o r TESTING AND MATERIALS P. 0. Hicodenus ASBESTOS 7E:CTILE INSTITUTE D. M. Fagan, Executive Secretary rAXBESTOS-MMJUATThil, TIC. H. M. Brooks J. W. Fxanpton, Jr. J. H. Eavfcinn R. T. Matthew I* Q. Scowcroft 1. 1. Weaver UNIROYAL, EJC. w. D. Pittinger 3. E. Carden L. P. Dicringor E A. Morris ASBESTOS CORPORATICT LTD P. E. Leclerc GUESTS OF THE A.?,I. Asberit S.A. I'-irchollo Cattando Mornr AnJjonfcos Information Association/ North America ."ntthew m . rwetonic Industrial Safety Equipment Association rhnrlcs N. Fncwalt, 7r. U .r.. Bureau of Minas 'nbort A* Clifton Total attendance during tho two-day mating wao -16 people, including 10 'oneri and 3B man - representing 10 ccnpnnies or associations. Pnge 5 - '.Thy Asiicntos?, by 1. K . Ct/ctor.ic, MA/tU. Presented to the ATI at /crlir.gton, Virginia - 4/7/73 The first chart shows the actual results of Cr. ieliJrofi's four mortality studies cf nahestos workers. The numbers in rarcnthsec-s beside tho figures fer total number of >*crhcrs indicate those who hcvu si' far died iron nil causes. The percentage figures alongsic the total number of deaths i r m ashestosis, lung cancer and nescthcliona arc based on the total number of deaths from all causes, not on the number of workers in the study. The onst inportant study of the group is the second fren tie top, showing tho deaths fxor. asbestos-related disease among all marchers of the insulation workers union, regardless of length cf axpesurs. You will note that 34 per cent of those worker3 T,hn have dice', thus far have died fren eno cf the throe ashcstrs-relnte:l diseases. These, than, aro the facts Or. Solifcsff works iron. This is vhet he knows free his own investigations. Mc*.r let us take a lock at what he has done with those figures in rrdcr to drnretize the problem. Chart number ZZ shews Or. Solihoff's predictions about asbestos rulatcd doatlis in the Onitcrl states. T'ithrut going iatc details. Or. Sciikoff has arrivod at his projections by the simple procedure of multiplying the percentage of deaths frets asbestos-related disease among his insulation workers by the total number cf enployeos in the entire industry. You will also note that he has mined his projocted death estimate to cnonaou* heights ovnr the past year by simply increasing the bane figure of employees exposed, -hilo still retaining the percentaee multiplier of 24 par cant being experienced by the insulation workers. I night point out that this tactic, however deceptive, has beer. ar. enennus success since each raising of the estimate has ennei Or. Sclikeff correspondingly creator coverage uy the media. *le fir.cr exanplo exists of the tc-tcl gullibility of the prose than the nanner in *roich it elicited its prejudices t~ bn rar.inulatad and played upon in this situation. Pleas don't gat no wrong. Z have ne doubt that the insulation `'orkars are in fact dying ns rapidly ns Dr. '"-lihpff? says they am. The problem is that he has translated their mortality experience to the rest of the entire industry, which is completely orrrncous. In the first place, tho estimated number or erplryccs in the industry is too high -- five times too high to bn precise. Ever, mere important, uc certling to an analysis b*f the Association cf more than a cwson mortality studios, including those of Dr. Sclikrff, our prediction in that approximately 25,00t past and present employees in the asbestos industry have die?' or "ill eventually ilia of anbonti'a-- rr,Inked disease. Vhin ir- 1-an r'.io no* t>,:. Pago 10 - tHiy Asbestos?, by r . ihtonic, *I7:/!!A Presented to tha ATI at Arlington, Virginia - 5/7/73 of Or. Cfillhcff'3 rest recent ectinate. In addition, ocr figures how that 20 r.f the 23#000 (tenths -- or CO* -- will occur aneng three in the insulation trades. V'hilo these estimates /iheul! he reassuring tr those An the mining and manufacturing arcas of the industry, we should not forgo t that 5,900 of our workmen arc still going tr (tie ef ashes to*-relate! disease and that, all things considered, there is absolutely nothing that wo can do tn prevent it, She only thing car. to is to clean up rur planes to assure that those entering "the industry in the future will art havu the same experience. tlithir. tho past year and a half, the nain thrust of Association effort has shifted to the govornnent affairs front. The principal aconcics in Washington with which wa have been dealing aro the Occupational Sefety and Health Administration; th* Environmental Protection Agency; the Feed. and Drug Adjainistraticn; tho bureau of lines; and, tn a lesser degree, tho national Institute of Occupational Safety and Health, and the national Institutes of Oca1th, both of which arc mainly involved is research efforts. In addition, a i w weeks ago w *ra contacted by the redoral ?rr.f.z Corrtission, which had receiver1 a potitirn frra t ' \ r Canter for Science in tha Public Interest recyicsting 1 investigation of consumer uses of asbestos for thu purpose of daterfining whether certain products ougiit tr. 1a lchcled as hnrnrdnu* an1 whether warnings shr.uld l;e required on all edvertisatonts for those pro ducts. On the basis of a preliminary Meeting with an investignter from the FTC it would n-jpc'nr that v>s hav little t~ worry ai out ir. this particular area. The Occupational Safety and Health Administration ha* *?o3n of enoroous concam tn the. industry over the past 1C months. As nest r.f you already hne**, tho Association expended trersndous efforts during tha six month period landing to the promulgation of last Juno's 0CJ1A standards on ar.b*3tns. I think it is a enuga of t!ia effectiveness of tha total industry involvorcnt in this most crucial natter that of nlever. noin renuirenent^n in the *ir.inwards, the industry position was accepted totally by 0SI!A on nine of the eleven, aijout fifty pox cent on o. tenth, an! totally rejected on only one. 0S11A is new planning tn rx*o the standard package an! wo are work ing closely with there on this nrojuct. The first stop 'ill ha the formation of a 15 nan advisory enmities to rnview t'nj current standards and any additional nodical end technical data that has bcenru; availahle in tha year since the standards l,cre pr'vulgatod. Horkir.g in cooperation tilth nino other trn> .vtsociatirnr. i*-? hav'r sclwcted four individuals as Industry---ride micrsvondatirns to OS!'/, for the four sir-called "rr;,loycr" snots cn the advisory committee. Fage 2 ATI C en era i 7Ice t in g 0/1/12 11 I IT U ? n S 1 The General Ilooting of the Asheston Textile Institute wan called to order by President !i. Q. Ccowcroft at 1;C0 r..*i., Juno 1 , i**73. 2. President Scovcroft welcomed the nenhnrs and guests in atten dance and introduced'four guests; nannly, Matthew H. Swetonie, Executive Secretary/ Asbestos Information Association/:'orth America; Varchcllo Cattaneo Adorno, Asbcrit S.A.; Robert A. Clifton, Division of Donnotallic Minerals, U.C. Cuxenu of Mines; and Charles r:Sunwait, Jr., Secretary/Treasurer, Industrial Safety Fguipmunt Association, and nenber of its Cafoty Wearing Apparel Product croup. 3. Following past tradition, President Scowcroft asked each nerrter In attendance to rise and state his nano and company affiliation. 4. President Scowcroft callod. for the reading of the ninutes of the last stated General Meeting. It wan noved by a . .Tuzmu;:, seconded by T. P. Jackson, and so carried, to dispense with the reading of sane. 5. Treasurer Z . A. Morris presented the Report of Funds of the Institute as of April 30, 1973. C. E. .`Stiofhen nov?d the report bo accepted. The iiotion vns seconded by S. G. Dixit and so voted, unanimously. A copy of tho full Report is attached to these Minutes. C. In the absence of u , n, Alcorn, the Legal Counsel address as given by Eugene J. Loff of Cadwnladur, Pickershan t. Taft. Tho full text of his report is attached hereto. Ur. Lcff discussed two cases -- one concerned with the illegal division of the norhot, and the other noting a connection Jxstween anti-trust violations and tho private exorcise of governmental poJcr. 7. w. H. Smith, Technical t, Sales Representative, Bell Anlristos Mines Ltd., delivered tho Fihro Producers* Report (sou attached). Ur. Smith statu) that crudes and ultra-long spinning fibers continue to be in short supply hut uediun and short spinning fillers fron Grades 3P to 37. are in fair supply from most producers. shortage in these grades is fores Jen for the rennindur of this year end a channe in the situation io not indicated, at the present tire, for 1574.' 5. Fursuant to calling for Conr.ittro Haports by the resohetive Chnirr.cn, Proaident Gcoweroft advise! that C, G. Guerin hart replaced I. Barnett on tho ATI Technical Cormittea. 9. The following reports of *.TI activities at the Conmittco level 'are presented by the nsnoctive Chnirrmn to the general oruhip. A copy of each Report is attached hereto, i.a.: Tage 3 ATI G e n e ra l .'to u tin g S/7/73 Air Hygiene A tonufactoring - A. F. Carden, Chairman; A s b m t o c Advisory - c. W. Russell, ckaixaan; Technical - J. K, reherd, Chniman; Fiber research Testing - C. 2. Sticfken, Ciminran; Environncntal Health - L. P. Diaringer, Chairman. 10- It t/as related hv President Scowcroft that recent technological breakthxoughs in basic y a m production techniques have influenced tho Institute to aojik wider representation in its canbcrship. it was reported that as a result, the ATI Hoard of Governors h*d approved a change in tho Constitution and By-Laws of the Institute Involving /.ssocinte Mewhcrslilp requirements. Article III, Para graph 2(c) of tho Constitution has been revised as follows; "those weavers of asbestos-containing fabrics and tapes, for resale as such, who do not nanufacturo the asbestos-containing y a m s used in sane, shall bo eligible for Associate !!cnbcrship in this Institute." 11. President Gcowcroft rsforred to the netr identification cards that had been given to each menher in attendance, ashina that they ho returned to tho Executive Secretary for use nt futrre m 'tings. 12. As statud by Pronidcnt Scewcroft, there saers to be sono diffi culty with tho postal process in that some reservation cards are not arriving at ATI headquarter*. In an endeavor to avoid unduo problem at future meetings, it was advistd that each nen'.-or who rakas n reservation with t)vt Fxacutivo `Jocrutary would receive a '"rinf acixovrlcdcmcnt within approximately ter days' tint:. If j.m: does not arrive in duo course, it t/ould >n well to so advise the r.rcrr,tary. 13. The next (ionarnl Meeting of the Asbestos Textile Institute will a held: October 3-5, 1973 tycl-neru Harbor Club, inrvichport, Massachusetts Guest Speaker will bo Hr. J. Corbett Ikrronald, Eiudenioionist, McGill University, and `lodical Adviser to tV: nuo'xic A3i>estoc Min ing Association. 14. President Scoucroft advised that every effort is '`'ing rvide to oblige tha wishes of tJwi ocru'^rsiip-at-largi. by scheduling, -hencv.r possible, future General reatings of the Institute so that they und on Fridays. beginning in 197*'., future meetings will ue: "elruary 7-0, 1574, at the Mills Vyatt House, Charleston, touth Ca r d inn; June f>-7, 1974, at Twin Fridges Harriott, Vnokincitor, O.C.; Sptersher 25-27, 197J, at 'Vio Cloister, Oca Island, Georgia; February G-7, 1575, nt Holiday Inn-Independence 'tall, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Tantntivo future Hunting siton include "or.to Vcdrn Club, Ponte Vedra Teach, Florida, in "'ctobur 1*75 and the Harriott in How or Ioann, Louisiana, in February 197'. 15. before introducing the Curst Gpnak.ir, President cewcroft re ferred to fivu booklit.s that were distributini prior to calling tha Page 4 ATI General Mooting 6/ 7/73 meeting to orC o r. Just off the press, the booklets were publish'd by tha AIA/'.JA and are entitled: The Asbestos Information Associ.ation/JTorth America, *ut As)>oston Is-- 'av And t:her.-i It T.z Used, Asbestos And Health, Questions and Anct^crs--Asliestos And Health, and Protecting The Asbestos TJorfcar. Single copies of the boohlets arc available iron the AIA/VA, 22 T*ast 40th Street, ::.* vor!-., York 19016 {bulk*rates on reoucst). lc. President Scowcroft introduced the Guest Speaker: ;,-atthcw *. Svetonic, executive Secretary, .baston Information Association/ North Aoerica. Mr. Svetonic {'.'hose profile is. Attached) discussed the MAAiA, its formation, its hictory and the work it is doine on behalf of the asbestos industry in tho United states. 1> also talked about the impact of OSIIA and EPA regulations to control the amount of asbestos dust in the atrsonphcrc. Tt discus sod the Ques tion: Why has the Asbestos Industry been singled out by government, the press and various conservative groups? He stated that the industry is passing through a crisis period in the O.T. and that closer ties hetwoen trade associations would be beneficial. Mr. Swetonic advised that ho has been talking with the press .''"out asbestos and health since I960 and that out of 153-1 ?r> reporters, only 2 were ovor 3D. Ue aro dealing with a young end idealistic group, he said. From, a survey taken of the awareness and attitudes toward the use of asbestos, it i'.m discovered that ashc3 tos is relatively unknown to the general public. The situation chances little between urban and rural arms. It was interesting to note that the survey indicated that those in the 19-75 non hrnofcr't *nct. little about asbestos but that awareness increased in those inter viewed who './ere between 40 and 43 years of age. r, copy of hr. fh-ctonic 's presentation, in its entirety, is attached to thwse Minutes. 17, There being no further business to 1 brought before the o-idvsrship, tlic mooting wa3 adjourned at approximately 2:30 r,."., as per a notion by t: a . Farrell, s<'condod by r. a . ?!nrris, and unanimously approv.-.d by the attending nrrbrrs. respectfully submitted, J ? '< r't ' / / / '/ -/C* Moris ii. Fngnn, ^ Cxi.cutive r-eori'*;ary MOTE: Enclose! herewith is your copy of the Constitution and ByLaws of tha AalKiStoo Textile Institut--, revised no of June 5, l*'?!. Paragraph 3 of thu Hy-Lava (png.-, 7) is subject to approval by fie Internai Tevanuc Service. asdetyos ttlttili: z y s t it v t ;: ."Mport of *undo .15 Of April 30, 1 *1 7: Dalance on Hand January 2, 1973 -- Conora1 Fund Reserve Fund Potty cash rund Total on Hand * . Receipts To reserve Fund -- Interest adjustment to 13/31/72 Dues for Year 1973 To General Fund ~ Eook Pales Insurance Credits Total receipts 1,3.". 33 __3_,0io.9n2 ..ionn n .ci 14,250.00 115.29 ___ 37.00 Disbursements Rental of Office Space (5 nonthe) 5 Telephone (4 months) M.J. Employment Tax (ti? Ttr 1972) redoral Income Tax (4th Otr 1972) rederal Onerploynant Tax (Ynar 1972) Federal Xncora/PICA Taxen {1st Qtr 1973) ra. Unenployx>ent Tax (1st Q tz 1973) Pa, Incon. Tax (1st Qtx 1.973) Secretary's Hat wr.gan (4 months) Insurance for *!cv Office quartern Postage, Printing, Officn Supplies, etc. Revision of Fibre Tent Manual Legal Services fi rxpenaes {4th Ttr 1977) Secretary's Travel rbiDcnn (2/7?. .teating) Petty Cash Vouchers 5"1-1C ___ Total Mshurscmnts . . . 270.60 135.97 33.75 70.99 15.93 162.n? 5.25 12.09 570.09 145.09 213.99 25.32 007.40 175.19 32.05 5 9,533.82 3 14,402.33 5 23,335.13 fi 2,206.21 Miscalculation from last Statement 5 21,293.2; 7.9C- c a l a n o : tri up.md /j -ril 30, 1 9 7 3 ....... $ 2 1 ,3 1 6 .9; rund3 as of April 30, 1973 Cenerai Fund Raservo Fund Petty Cash Fund 5 1,462.96 l?,84P."l 7.35 t otal Av^iw."r,n rr.TT.os........... 3 21,316.'; -iMts as of April 33, 1773 -- Total Funds ns listed J w Accounts HecnivnSle (imoJ: Sales) Furniture & Equipment (nominal value) c 21,31'". 92 6.00 1."" t o t a l Asnrrr TOTAL T.Ti.r-Tl.rf r.r f/Tti Reessppeeccttfully suJinvjetterT; ioris !. rannn % 21,323.91 A* ::;tv 1 . . fi 1 ,322.nr nr.ns ?RCDUCsrr* w:por; presented at .*21 General hooting, Jane 7, 15*73, at *:.y Pridgo 'larriott, Arlington, Virginia] There ha bonn an increasing demand throughout thy world in 1373 for a number of fibre grades, notahlv in 4 Group and 7 Groun. After the fall-off in 1972 in 5 m cl 6 Orou_> fibres, this market has bugun to recovar, although not to tho i . w extant an the previously-mentioned 4 and 7 Groups. Of main interest to susnbors of the A .C.I. nr th spinning fibre Group 3 grades. Crudon and ultra-long spinnings continu to b>; in short supply, hut the oodlun and short spinnings in the 3F to 32 range are in fair supply fron most producers, "to shortage is foreseen in these grades during 1T73, although individual produ cers may Ins tight in socu specific gradinos. Th*re are no indications at present that there will lx? a narked chenga during 1974 in spinnings; however, in short fibres, the current ovorsupply of 3D fibres nay he c l o s e r to ha.lar.ee rent year. One or two now nines in Canada arc scheduled to come ir.to preduction in 1?75, hut there is no likelihood that they vrill produce any spinning fibres. Che seno is true of nev sources in Australasia. Walter il. Wraith technical r, Coles heprn.ser.tntivn Hell Asbestos `linos, Ltd. m i nu : r Ain KYGIEtlE t, MAflTTFACTUniMC CC:V'Z77F.Z Asbestos Textile Icntitutr? June 7, 1973 - - Key Bridge .'ixrriott, Arlington, Virginia The Committee act vith sixteen nenbars and gu.-:sts in attand.ir.fie, representative of tcj> companies, as folio*-*.-.: Amatcx Corporation IT. H. Haltnr, 'forrlstoro, Pennsylvania Asberit 3.A. M. Cattnnco (Adorno), Hio dc Janeiro, nrazil Ccdwclader, f'ickornhan ft Taft E. J. Leff, llew Vori: City Canadian Johns-'Janvilla Company ltd. J. P. Power, Asbestos, Qusbtc Garlock Inc. S. G. Dixit, Palmyra, Sew York Johne-Manvilla Corporation C. G. Cuerin, Manvilla, rivw Jersey >i. R. Reitzo, Denver, Colorado Lake AnJv*3t03 of (Tu-.ihec ltd. E. A. Farrell, TJei* Yrk City n. L. Lcfehvro, nlach Lake, Quebec II. E. Portsr Company, Inc, C. C. Erott, Charlotte, north Carolina L. E. ikxxly, Charlotte, Morth Carolina Raybostos-.'lanhattan, Inc. R. T. Matthew, north Charleston, .Couth Carolina I, H. ITeavor, tlnnhcin, Pennsylvania Uniroyal, Inc. II. D. Hittineer, h'innshorn, r-outh Carolina T. E. Cardan, i:ognnnvill., Crorgia L. F. Dieringar, .'iddlebu;.-*;, Connecticut The ue-iting included discussionu in the following areas: dur.t (fi-'K-r) counts improvements, special chucking, etc.; and raccnfc experiences with OCHA inspections. When taking dust counts, one cta^>iny no*-* is using a method of placing the filter intake vnlv.v near the person's month and non*. Page 2 - Minutes of the ATI Air hygiene & \\I. Conuittec - <V7/73 am! in sotaa cases will use two units with the second on the employee's shoulder. Also, it was pointed out, again, that the height of the perron boing checkad hns somo bearing on the dust count. .Oust cn f i b e r sanplas, when checked b y different people, shows a difference or a variation of as rrnch an 5 to 1 and an average of 40% variation, plus or ninus, with, more variation on higher counts. Spacing of equipment using a larger area and using a second unit to recirculate the air has shown sooc reduction in dust counts, tlhen stripping card3, use hoods placed ns low as possible over the area and strip with a hrush attached to a vaenun. Sor'e plants utilize the Abington systun when stripping cards. One plant raportod the use of a light spray (C-Z-X) on mixes using roughly 2%, while another plant sprays carrier only with a mixture of water and ban-sot. Doth plants report sene reduction in dust as a result of using the sprays. In a recent plant inspection hy 0flKT., ono company received several fines for the following item: 1) Some employees with no respirators; 2) Company had not provided protective clothing in required areas; 3) Citations resulting in tv 5700.00 fines for exceeding five (5) iiJ.-on in one area and a time-weighted ave.rnga of ovir ten {laj fiburn in another area. In some recent car.cn the OCHA Agency haa reduced dust counts by 25% before actually Issuing a citation* 5one plants are using rental uniforms and lockers both furnish;! '.rj th.-j rental uniform people. The uniforms, two par or.ployre each week, averages .'bout 52.55 weekly. In cost cases the rental uniform is a short-rloevod shirt and pants only, and this has been acceptable. Resp'ictfully submitted, nucil r. Carden, Chairman Il I H T E S ASBESTOS ADVISORY CO^MITTEE Asbestos Textile Institute June 7, 1973 -- ;iey Bridge ferriott, Arlington, Virginia HT ATTENDANCE: E. r. Russell, Chairman T. P. Jackson A. KuzouJc -*1. J. Scanlon II. Q. Gcowcroft D. M. Fagan, ATI Executive Secretary Z . J. lA i.fi, ATI Legal Counsel The Hoard of Governors of the Asbestos Textile Institute took action at ito September 1973 meeting to change the Institute's Constitution and Hy-Lavo. die change permitted weavers of asbestoscontaining fabrics and tapes, for rusale 03 such, v>o do not manufacture the asbestos yarns used in sane, to he eligible for Associate Membership. In light of this action, the Asbestos Advisory Commit tro was requested to determine a net hod of extending rvr.x`*urship. After considering several alternativas, the Committee ac cepted the offer of n. CJ. Eco*:croft to prepare a news release for insertion in tho July 1973 issu* of ?iC.irSTCS magasina. Cao release will state the By-7.aw ch.-uige and will publicly extend nenhership to those qualified and interested. T. P. Jackson of Johns-Kanvilla Corporation will servo as Monhership Chairman. Respectfully submitted, K. r. Russell, Chairman ni k n?e s TECHNICAL COlMlITTrr Asbestos Textile Institute 7une 6 fc 7, 1973 - - Hey ridge Harriott, Arlington, Virginia IH ATTEIOAMCE: J. 17. I!n*J:ir.s, Raybcotos-itnnhn.tt*n, IP.C. V. Maashast, /irutcr Corporation P. o, nicodewus, General Electric Company/act m C. 5. Guerin, Johnn-Manvi.1.le Corporation* *7. V . Hchcrd (Chairman), Portor Company, inc. Carl G. Guerin, of Johns-Manviile Corporation, was welcomed as a now member of the ACI Technical Committer, replacing Irvin hnrnr.tt. A special meeting of tha Corenittce tas hold on June *th to review the ASTK Standards for Tarn, Paving, and Lap. Che Comitfcee's proposed statements cn precision and accuracy i/crc npnrovnc'. hv the Editorial Comittea of A"cy D-13 .i being editorial. However, the statenents wore rejected hy the ACT.' Standards Editor who spe cific-d they mist ha put to letter ballot after assigning a schedule for intor-laboratory testing. Che samples of yarn, roving and lan will ho analysed by naybestoo-.Manhnttan, Inc., hr.n,%etx Corporation, General Electric Company, Garlock Inc. and I'. 11. Sorter Conpar.v, Inc. Costing should l*o completed prior to the Spring 2?74 neeting. Che Johns-lianville tumbler-test procedure was discussed as a nears to determine the relative dustiness of. various asbestos products. J. rJ. Hawkins ill dQtczrjiiio if this squiprv?nt is available for ATI evaluation. Che feasibility of bnilciiiig a similar tester also will he considered. ASCTi Subcommittee .013.14 h/iB been requested by the U.C. navy to change J-31S .\nbostoa Capes to conform with JY.daral Specification JI-T-17P2 so it nay he uv*l for direct procurement purposes. Havision ,'ould require tha addition of a quality assurance provision, a section or. packaging ana an obsolete table on tape styles. The ATI Cechnicnl Cotraitteo facia that thin information should, not bo included in a "flaterial Epocification." P. 0, i'icouonua ill re view the objectionable itonn with ACCH bnfera replying to the Envy. A draft of propose*! .'lilitary Cpccificr.tion VIL-I-3053J*-- "Insula tion, Electrical, Ashcttos-PilHjr, Created ar.d Jntmated" was submitted for approval. Cho Chairman was ir.strictad to request an extonion for comments until after the October 1073 Comittcu riot ing. ''sncctfully subnittod, J. rchord, Chairman i M I !J U T E S fiber sessTincH ttestikg corirtiTTcr Asbestos Textile 2sst.iti:to Juno 7, 1573 -- Ecy Bridge liarriott, Arlington, tri.rcinia III ATTENDANCE: w. c. Streib, -Joiuis-.Manville Corporat.'.or If. Smith, Roll Asbestos JUnea Ltd. 0. E. Chi Idem, !1. E. Porter Coispaty. 7.re. C. E. Rtiefhun (Cliaiman), Anerictr.* h.j'lting c Refining Co. The ranting was totally devoted to discussions o f the progress of the 3rd Edition of tho Chryaotilo Asbestos Teat 'Innual. It was noted that tho ACPA (Asbestos Cement Products Association) has hecoiso defunct aod all reference.! tc that organisation have hern removed from the not* nnnuol. It was decided that for future test deletions, a nubstituto pen-; *culd be inserted into th* Manual, containing the previous test nuiabar with an explanation of the runson for deletion. It would bo indicated that the test could he obtained from ATI, if r:iquired. Sir.ce \GPA is defunct thft ATI has, for tho renorc, aorend to sponsor an original ACT/ test -- btrangtb ir Ashes tos Cerent Products, r-3. Test (-?, Tan .Mngnutic Rating, has been approved for sponsorship by tho ATI. Tho 7_*st 'Janus1 hon been as.scml-.Vrd ir. rough f orr, requiring sono editorial changes. This draft will now ha r.ru<r.nd by the ATI Fihvr Research Tenting Cnnrrifcti.'u. Ehc.n approved, t-he draft will be subcittod to the printer for a roctor.ahly-accurnte cost osticate. .Ml original typing, shctchus and photographs will then bo assembled for printing, hopefully by tho or.d of thin lurxyjr. It will be* helpful for the net-J>crr.?iip to nubnit copy reouito rnTr.ts to Doriu Fnjar. as soon ns possible. 'Vsipiwtfully submitted, 0. rtiofheii, Cvurrnn RFbJVRKS o r COtriPHL fskostos Vt:ctilo Instituts fienoril 'Vieting June 7, 1373, Arlington, Virginia 't the February 2cncr.nl feting in .Atlanta, mn/r*12 .Alcorn presen t**} to you remarks of counsel dealing with illegal divisions of territory among competing anliars. Tha casus hn refurrod to than dealt with explicit ogreonents in which this nap was carved un wrong the selling companies involved on the principle of "cnc region one company*. Thu decided eases have Said such agreements"to he unlawful, with c frv United creaptions. 1 recant case lias focused attention on the division of markets where the agreement cr plan is not clearly spelled out. In Hobart r.cothars Ccuoanv v. italceln T. Gil Hand, Inc.. 471 F.2d 894 i5tii Cir. 1573) . ct & t t m L & r V r V . r j Z i i t " mJC?.2XmC)Ry ~2S, 1973), a diatrihu.tor of /elding equipment was assigned hy the uanufacturar "primary responsibility" for distribution in northern C-oorgin. The*natural coiflr^rcinl instincts cf tho firr., however, lee it*to begin miling in Tennessee, which was net only outside tha -Jorthern 2oergia territory, but was within an aroa supplied dirwctly hy the manufac turer. "vantually, tho distributorship agrecnent vas cancelled hy the itanufacturer, and the distributor sued, the manufacturer, charging an illegal division of territories* The defense rsnphasisncl tho ahnsnea of a tritten contract prohibit ing the distributor iron nailing in any d articular area. Thera had betn such an agreement years earlier, hut counsel had reraedinc' that prohlait by drafting n:r contracts assigning "areas of urinary rasr-scnsibility*, which did net on their face linit salsa elsc^'here. The courts nevertheless held the arrangenent to ha illegal. Tho fifth Circuit Court of Appeals stated that V. silent understanding can la shewn hy tho course of conduct of thw parti*." The chief damaging evidence *m.i an intra-office none frow the Tennessee dis trict representative of the manufacturer to thu lions office which roportod the distributor's sales ir. Tenmmsee and urged the rvinufacturcr to "counter" by soiling directly ir. chn distributor's territory, northern Georgia. of tho important tanehiugs of this cnoi is that compliance with the antitrust laws - whether the incue is prices, distribution schemes, refusals to deal with certain corponiuo, or any other sensitive trade regulation natter - is not achieved }:y ncrelv avoiding ths obvious, r.nolli>d out foms of transgression. Tar-> r-.uwt '.*s taken not to lessun coepetitirn indirectly or through un^rprasnpd understandings an veil. raving mentioned violations of th.i Is*; through nrr-j devious r.ieane, /hieh s^-jrui tr> ne appropriate at thin gathurinc, so close to t.hr >>targate building, I vould like to note another connection kot"ten antitrust law anu politics. / Page 2 - henarhn o f Counsel Conoral i'rpting - 6/7/73 Trade nsnociationn .'3 wall a nthur ccrtncrcisl grouos ca** ru:>. cfcul of the lav/ l>y assuming pe w r in tlicir private activities i.'M c h pro perly belongs to thrs government. The early price-fixing canon reflect the vies that private parties should net to permitted to rsonlate oc sensitive a fcatura of the econony as prices, Tinilarly, any joint action which excludes certain companies i r o n important coonorcial benefits is viewed by the courts ns tho imposition of a punishment - which is a no*.or reserved to the courts. in fashion Originators' Guile1., Inc, v. rodoral "rede ^onal-sion. 312 U.S. 457 (ii>41), for example, a combination of nanujSncturors cf worsen'* garments and manufacturers of textiles tried to prevent the copying of their fashionable clothes hy sc-called "stylo pirates". The fashionable clothes group refused to sell their products to manufacturers o r retailers of garments who tlc r .lt with the cor:?.-?tiny "style pirates". The Supreme Court rujeeted the defense that such a practice was justified fcv tire necessity of ridding the business of unscrupulous garment designers. Tho Court said: " . . . the combination is in reality an e::tra-qrw_*rnr-cnta1 agency# which prescribes rulas for the regulation and re straint of interstate commerce, and providr.s extra judicial tribunals for determination and punishment o f violations, and thus 'tranches upon the power of th-. national legislature nnd violates the statute* (i.e., the Sherman *ct]." 312 t'.f. at 4C5. To long as private companion retain thoir conpotitiv.: iartivi-htnlitv, '.-.cr-r-iv^r, and restrict their joint efforts to constructive objectives Mich reasonably servo that ir.divirtuality, thr-re i? little danger of antitrust difficultics. Eugene 7. 7cff, httornny c jfy -T jj& rv ., i'ic:;Fnn:*hM n t jtt !l ! !! 0 ? S S Kir/inorgxwrrx h e al t h coirtiTTHE Asbestos Tnxtilo Institute Juna 7, 1973 -- iicy Bridge rtirriott, Arlington, Virginia Ko forml penting of the Comittnc *ir. held, ant' the throe nenh^rs sot in on the discuasiona of the Air Hyqinnc & t'onufacturir.q Corvaittiia. .'-S of meeting tine, the following ia the atatua of various pro posed OSTui occupational health standards hid are of interest to remhar companion: 1) 'Tolae -- A Department of bailor htanderda Advisory Connit- tut is meeting periodically to consider this standard. At its meeting in Boston on 'lav 21, 1973, the American Confar-ncc of Governmental Hygienists iTSinnz) recormanilsd the adoption of a notice of intent to clwnns the "ois* Threshold Limit values to C5 da', for an S-hour-n-aay, tine-wnAghtad exposure. At tlto C*1I1A Standards Advisory Comittao noetir.o in Washington, O.C., on ;j.ny 30, 1973, Dr. V. 1!. 'ildyerd, Comittee Chairman, stated that the level of exposure to noise for employees x.'ill pro:.ably remain at 90 drA. 2) Boat Straas - ACGIb also rocora.xsndcd at its Boston mooting the adoption of thu r.uat iltress threshold Limit Values which* ware published as a notice of intent in 1972. It differs slightly from those ruconr.or.diid hy 'iICr.7. in its criteria package in that pomissihlo work-rest rooirenri arc* sp'.-cifioil. T.V.- status of the proposed {standards is clouded b y recent criticism that thu 'TJGT index is not an adequat*: indicator of heat stress. Proposals have bean rv-.do that sweat rate:.*; anJ heart rates nro more indicative of .boat stress. Accent articles of interest i m p the Annuals of Occupational Vygiene, Volume lt>, 1973, house organ fer th:.- British Occupational riygiane Society, ares 1) Pages 1-5, Hygiene Ptandarda for Airborne Arosito *nb-istoa Dust - "TVj BuhcotT'ittuo (on ashwntns) has reviewed the in formation on human exposure to air^rr..: Anmsitc dust and animal experiments. Che subcor.r.itt.:e believes -'-t has insuf ficient knowledge of th.* rr letiomhip l.-fv-cn airborne Abosite {fust exposure nn:l tV. risk of m vnstosis to permit an nccurato statement of tho duqreo oC protection afforded by a specified hygiene standard. Nevertheless, on tiv; basis of coi.pari3one hef^oon thn cffacts o f Atsite and Chrycotil: uuct on :x.*n and c.ninnln, it ia rocoisrvjniUxi that the standards cn /jtosit.*! shcnlt". 1*2 no l.jsa atrii!n*nt than those for Orvaotilo.' 3) rage 7, Ui.-viut; of the ''yqicxe Standard for Chry.sotila Asbestoa Dust - 'J.-.r.oi on infomntion of. iw 'iy an.! Page * r iin u t e s o f th e A'.'I r r .v ir o r x ic n ta l K in1 th r n r m t t e c - s / 7/ 7?. morbidity data, no new reported adverse conrunts and initia tion of new studies not available for a mtrifv*r of years, thn suheonrittee on asbestos stated, "It is therefore roco.tnondid that no chango? he nods at the present tine, but that the standard i>e kept tinder review. * 3) Pages $-17, Eiologionl Hf of dancer - Papera nf ths Advisory Consittee on Asbestos Cancers to the Pirector of the International Agency for Research n Cancer - Report divided into two parts, the first n crocsticn-and-nn*:r section devoted to the Ir.tnst thinking cn tho relation of ashentcr, exposure and concur* and tiia second to reeorocndatirnn for future roscarch ir. epidcciolo^y, pntholrfv and physics and chemistry of asbestos-related cancer. P-ospcctfuIly submitted, I.. Pieringsr, C-mirran ABOUT THE SPEAKER The names Matthew M. Swetonic and Asbestos Infor mation Assoclation/North America are synonymous. It was Matt who developed the original AIA/NA Prospectus in -the Fall of 1970 and who prepared the presentations for both the introductory and the organization meetings. Upon J-M's decision to move its corporate head quarters to Denver and Matt's electing not to make the move# he was employed as AIA/NA'a first full-time Executive Secretary. For the first three months of 1972 he handled two jobs: Manager of Environmental Affairs for J-M and Executive Secretary for AIA/NA. During this time he orga nized the industry effort for the EPA and OSHA hearings and wrote for others or presented himself six major presentations in a period of 45 days# a record which he states he hopes he "will be never asked to break." Matt is 30 years of age and is married. He is a native New Yorker# was reared in Easton# Penna.# and now resides in Manhattan. He holds a B.A. in Creative Writing and an M.5. in Journalism. Following a tenure as Feature Writer for The Eas ton Express# he joined J-M in July 1965 as Associate Editor of News /Pic# an employee maga zine. He was promoted to Editor in January 1967 and one year later was named Coordinator# Special Projects. This is the job that granted him the expertise to superbly fulfil his duties as Execu tive Secretary of the AIA/NA as the major respon sibilities included writing J-M asbestos-health position papers# preparing speeches on asbestoshealth for top J-M executives, working with J-M public relations counsel and learning asbestoshealth literature backwards and forwards. V7HY ASBSS70S ? A Presentation Before the Asbestos Textile Institute Arlington, Virginia - June 7, 1973 yt Matthew M. Swetonic, Executive Secretary Asbestos Information Association/2!orth America Z am sure that nany of you have asked yourselves, as Z have asked sysolf, why has tha asbestos industry seemingly been singled cut as the prime target for so many assaults by government, labor, the press, certain segments of the medical profession, and by various environmental and consumer activist groups? Why us? Can asbestos really be all that bad? Arc the products we produce truly going to kill millions of Americans, as sane experts have predicted? Or is there some sort of nefarious conspiracy afoot to destroy the asbestos industry? The answer to the question of "Why us* in both complex and simple. Ccamion bcceusa it is a combination of three interrelated but separate factors. Simple because each of the factors is, when considered by itself, quite obvious. The three factors are (1) asbestos can cause disease, (2) n spokes man arose to champion the need for asbestos control, and (3) a cornucopia of new government agencies were set up to control materials end products that can cause disease. Let us lock at each of thuse factors in turn. First, there is no doubt that tho inhalation of substantial amour.: of asbestos can load to increased rates of various types of lung disease, including two forms of cancer. Theso are facts which can not be denied, oven if they do not apply in all circumstances end under all conditions. The medical literature is full of solid evi dence linking asbestos to disoer.e. In ny office, Z have on file sore than 2,000 oedicel papers dealing with the health risks of asbestos and hundreds more are published every year. Secondly, the spreading of concern over the health risks of asbes tos has os its prime spokesman ono of the mnst talented r.cdiccl publicists of tho age -- Sr. Irving J. Sclikoff of now Tor.Vs .Mnur.: Sinai Hospital, net cnly is Dr. Selikoff capable of arousing the ire and moral indignation of the most conservative reporter or politician with bln graphic descriptions and predictions of the ravages of asbestos, hut he has also surrounded himself with a group cf similarly talented associates who have carried the ilount Sinai aosaage to the far corners of tha nation. While Dr. Sclikoff has, in his 2sal, unquestionably painted a far darker picture than tho facts warrant, wc should always rerenker in his defense that the imwlanion workers he han rwlyinc Pngc 2 - thy Asbestos?, by II. fj. Svetonic, M A A u i Presented to the ATI at Arlington, V i r g i n i a - 6/7/73 more than a decade were and still are dying i r o n asbestos related disease at an appalling rate. Such a situation %*ould be sui i i e r e r . z to sake a crusader out of the cost conservative of scientists. Finally, in the past decade there has been a tremendous growth in public and governmental interest in environmental and occupational health natters. This intnrest has been translated into a scries of far-reaching laws affecting industry in a manner hitherto unknown in this or any other country. I believe it is accurate tc say that these new lavs, such as the Occupational Safety and Health Act, the Clean Air Act, the Consumer Product Safety Act, and other:, have forover altered the concept of the free enterprise system as it was known in this country for a hundred and fifty years. Thus, in combination, these threa factors created a situation in which a cadre of freshly created federal agencies, with strong statutory authority, vero prodded into assigning priority status t= asbestos by Dr. Selikoff and his followers, who achieved these cr.cs through skillful use of tho groat wealth of negative asbostos-haaia;data contained in the nodical litcraturo. In short, the asbestos industry was singled out because it was vulnerable to attack, because there was someone willing to lead the' attach, and because Congress had graciously provided the vehicles for such an assault. The background of industry efforts to deal with the asbestes-healti problcn as a national issue goes hack nearly a decade, to Or. Sclikof f's now famous 1964, seminar on asbestos disease at the :icv York Academy of Sciences, labile this seminar did nuch to prick thr industry's conscience about asbestos and health, the problem still remained one of limited public and press interest until around 1367, when the media began besting the radical bushes scorching fer stories that would graphically portray American industry's supposes disregard for tho environment and for the health and safety of it workmen and the American public. The asbestos-health problem was found to ba tallor-nada for such stories. As a result, starting with Paul Brodeur'a infamous Tie*.-; Yorker article of itaxch 193, asbastos has sinco grown into an item of major press .interest. In thoso years, industry efforts to combat tho spate of negative press articles on asbestos were carried on primarily hy the .Johns ftnnvillo Corporation, which sot up a task ferce of specialists in various fields to do what it could to pertray the problem in its proper perspective. Uhila some minor successes were ochieved, it^ was found that no one company acting independently could adequately or effectively represent an entire industry in dealing with tho press and with government officials. As a result, in late 1970, eight companies gathered in flew York City to launch the Asbestos Information Association of Morth 7nericn, / Page 3 - Why Asbestos?, by H. n. Suctonie, AIA/iiA Presented to the ATI at Arlington, Virginia - 6/7/73 which was patterned alter tha British /vsbostos Information Commit tee, which had been established scnc three years earlier. In our original concept, the Association would licit its activities to providing accurnto, unbiased infornation on asbestos and health to the press, to the public and to interested politicians end other government officials. It wist bo remembered that at this particu lar tino, tho enompus problems that would later develop with regard to OSKA and other Federal rogulatory agencies were as vet ctho distant horizon and basically unrecognized hy the industry. Fortunately -- and properly -- the Association has hnd tho wisden to alter its original United concept of its proper functions, and now endeavors to assume whatever activities and responsibilities it deems necessary to protect the interests of the asbestos manufac turing industry in the Cnitud States vis-a-vis asbestos-health. From this rather narrow initial public relations concept, the Association has grown in tho last two years into an organization with priorities in eight major fields of endeavor. These arc: Medical Affairs, Legal Affairs, Environmental control. Customer Relations, Employee Relations, Inter-industry Relations, Publicity and Public halations, and Government Affairs* To take these activities one at a time, let us start with medical affairs. It is an obvious fact that if an organization is to speak authori tatively on n medical natter, it nust not only be steeped in tha literature of that particular medical subject, but it must also keep itself constantly informed of new discoveries and devclopner.cc. This wo have accomplished in a number of ways. For example, by sending representatives to important medical nestings, such as*the 1972 Lyon, Franca, international conference on tho biological effects of asbestos, which was sponsored by thn T'crld Health Organi zation. We also moot on an irregular basis with various medical experts in the field, both iron tho United States and abroad, to review and discusr. recent dovolopncnts and discoveries. Our literature research is cased considerably by receiving the monthly medical papsr distribution of tho Institute of Occupr.tior.nl and Environmental health in Mnntruol, which is funded hy tho Cucbcr Asbestos Mining Association. This year, for the first timo, the AIA has elected to sponsor medical rosearch of its ot.*n. Currently underway is a completely AIA/M/v funded study of chest sounds, which is being conducted by Dr. Raymond Murphy of. the harvard School of Public health. The purpose of the study is to find a new method of determining ar. individual's potential susceptibility to asbestos disease. Page 4 - Why Asbestos?, by t!. M. Svctonie, AIA/NA rresented to the ATI at Arlington, Virginia - 6/7/73 The Association has also recently decided to contribute to scae t ;-- oxciting research into a possible care for mesothelioma through lecrromotive treatment. This study is being conducted at Somerset Hospital In Hew Jersey. Zn the legal affairs area, the Association participated in an amicus curiae capacity in tho law suit brought by the Industrial Union Department of the AFL/CXO against the Occupational Safety cr.i Health Administration on tha asbestos standards. Zn our brief ti: Association supported OSHA against the ZUD, senevhat of a unic-jo**' position for an industry to find itself in vis-a-vis a governmental regulatory agency. Oral argument on the case was held April 4 ir. Washington. While a decision has yet to be handud down by the Crtrt of Appeals, va are confident that the case will be docidcd in our favor. The Association haa retained the services of a special technical consultant on environmental control affairs. At the present tire, ha is working with thu AIA/1TA Environmental Control Sub-Coraaittoc on the development of a series of five Association compliance manual* on the OSHA standards. Lest year, because of the wall established unreliability of the scsbrano filter method as a monitoring tool in the asbestos industry, tho All. undertook tha sponsorship of a study at a research laboratory in California to detominc the effect of ccrt:..-. variables on the evera11 accuracy of the method. The results of tbs study showed tn error factor cf plus or minus SO p o r cent ur.dtr the most favorable of measuring conditions. These results were to both OSHA and to the National Institute for Occupational Safety anc Health. A number of the recommendations contained in tha stur* for improving the accuracy of the method have been incorporated rr.to a scon- to-be-released revised NlCSil operations nanual on fiber counting. In the customer relations area, the total effect of negative pres: publicity and government regulations on industry customers is still today rather poorly defined. Scat noabers of the Association h:' : reported serious problems in this area, vhilc others have experienced few or no difficulties thus far. Wharo custcncr problems do exist, they normally fall into one of five categories. First, the customer hns thoroughly investigated his situation ar.tl has found that ho can no longer affore to continue using asbestos or asbestos-containing products, cither because the cost of control io too high or because ho would have to raise thu price e: his product to a level that would make it non-ccopctitivc with non-asbestos containing substitutes. Second, tho custoocr ha* not thoroughly investigated his si tuntier and only thinh* that he can no longer afford to continue using asbestos. Page 5 - Why Asbestos?, by n . m . Swetonie, AIA/HA Presented to tho ATI at Arlington, Virginia - 6/7/73 Third, the customer has reed one or more negative articles on asbestos in the public press and has cade the snap decision that wo ought to get that dangerous stuff out of our plant." Often, decisions of this nature are forced on top r-jiegrsusnt by ill informed nodical advisors or safety and health dircct-cra. Fourth, the customer has neither a control p m b l w nor is he parti cularly afraid of using asbestos in his own plant. Ro^aver, he is fearful that those 6 t his competitors whose finished products do art contain asbestos will stress the adverse health effects of asbwsccs in trying to tmkoLnaincan over S ssn him, Custorsy a t -hi* nature axe essentially "sue nsceiens end urn Hence eatzezeiy diffieuIt 9 deal wienT Fifth, hs tm tta m a r tins none o i dieso profcie.u or fears but be h u been advised by a government official or inspector that he would be bettor off if he quit using asbestos or asbestos-containing products in his plant. Uhilc tills problem doos not appear to to widespread, we have learned of a number of situations where it has occurred. Actions of this nature by government officials are totally uncallai for and should be dealt with promptly and decisively. The best solution is to obtain corglcte details on tho incident end then t= register a formal complaint with the offending official's immediate superior cr with the government agency involved. The Association's first reaction to the overall customer relations problem was to approve funds for a series of four regional seminars at which industry customers would bo given a number of basic presen tations on the various aspects of the asbestos-health problem. The seminars were tentatively scheduled for the Spring of 1973. However, the experiences of a number cf our member companies shewed that general "catchnil" type seminars of the type originally etntcnplated would not be effective in dealing with the majority c: customer relations problems. In order to dr the job properly, it *.;ns found that customer presentations have te be teilcrad to the needs and problems of the individual customer. As c result, tho Association cancelled its scheduled scries of seminars and instead ducted to develop a number of packaged slice: presentations on such topics as "The Facts About Asbestos and health," and Understanding the OflHA Regulations," which could be used by member co.tpanies ns part of n tailored presentation to individual custemers. As with customer relations, the Association feels that employee relations is a pr jblor best handled by the individual number conpanios. Thus far, tho AZA's scle contribution in this area of industry concern has bon to prepare th.* draft of an rrployue infer,* and Health Guido o- Asbestos-Health. Tho draft was rads available to the member comoanies for their ovm use and at least one has produced it in booklet form for distribution to all its employees. Page 6 - Why Asbestos?, by H. il. 5wetonic, AXA/T2A Presented tc the ATI at Arlington, Virginia - 6/7/73 I personally bcliavo that the employee relations aspect of the asbestos-health problem is one that has been sorely* neglected by tst companies within the industry, and that it could develop into a major problem area in the near future and that staps should be taken now to deal with it. V.'e knew that various organized labor groups are planning a full sealo campaign to bring their interpre tation of the asbestos-health problem to the attention of asbestos industry employees throughout the nation. If the Industrv permits this interpretation tc be issoainated without rebuttal, the consequences could bo grave indeed. Inter-industry relations arc best defined as keeping the industrv informed about important net.* developments on the governmental, medical and press relations fronts that affect asbestos. This is accomplished within the AXA by periodic distributions of documents and information to the member companies and to others on our mailing list. The value of this activity can be gauged by the fact chat our overall mailing list increased from approximately a dozen names ir. 1971 to more than 60 a year later. !2jile we have had to trim the list somewhat this year for logistical raesens, we assume from the frequent requests va still receive to be placed on the list that the material we send out is being rend and is of considerable value to those xccoiving it. Next to government affairs, our public relations and public! ty activities constitute the single largest consumer of time, effort and money within the Association. Those cf ycu who arc familiar v*ith the treatment that asbestos has been receiving in the public press over the years can readily understand why this activity ranks so high on our priority list. t^hat ycu may not understand are the reasons why c.ur extensive efforts in dealing with the nation's press have keen sc unsuccess ful tc data in producing the theoretical balanced" or "positive" story on asbestos and health. The simple fact is that frea the standpoint cf today's young activist reporter, industry is the had guy, and nothing ve do, say or achieve can ever ckango this impression. If wo spend 5100 million dollars on environmental control, the pruss either rays we ought to havo done it ton years ago or that we should have spent 5200 million. If wo sponsor medical research, they any w are trying to buy favorable results. If we arc opposed tr ridiculously stringent standards, they say wc are in fnv-r of letting our employees dio. A television exocutivo in Minneapolis described this now bre ed of reporter as being "so intent on denelisaing the catnbliahrior.t that they would blindly destroy the credibility cf the media in the bar gain." Another TV executive, this time in Chicago, stated "they Page 7 - Why Asbestos?, by M. H. Swetnnie, AIA/UA Presen tod to the ATI at Arlington, Virginia - 6/7/73 want to nake moral and political and social judgments on their assignments and then take sides, never mind getting the facts straight." As a result of this "industry is a monster" philosophy, asbestos will ramain a hot news item only so long as the news is bad. The "good" that asbestos does in protacting lives and property is of no concern to the pross. Likewise, industry efforts to protect workmen and the general public from asbestos exposure will always be given minimal coverage, since such information is directly contrary to the portrait of an irresponsible industry producing e "killer" product that is the sole element of news worthiness in the asbestos story. The press relations battle will therefore he won, not when the media starts to print positive or bnlcncod articles about asbestos, but when the press ceases to print anything about asbestos at all. As long as negative news on asbestos-health continues to bo generated, the media will continue to eat it up. The media will only ccasc to carry such stories when the generation of negative news ceases. It is as simple as that. Fositivo or balanced stories are a chimera, since they ore, by definition, not newsworthy. Let me give you a very specific example of this last principle ir. action. As most of you already knew, the Association is currently engaged in an extensiva campaign to interest the trade press in articles on the benefits of asbestos and on industry accomplish ments in the environmental control area. The trade press, unlike the national or public media, is much nore receptive to articles of this nature and we axpeet tc be seeing a number of positive stories in the trade press in the next few months. In any case, wo also from tine to time put out press releases on various subjects relating to asbestos-health. A few weeks ago, vc issued a release on the report of the advisory committee on asbestos cancers of the World Health Organization. In brief, the report concluded that the general public is net in danger from asbestos in the environment. Thus far, we have received nearly two dozen press clippings from trade publications that carried the story. To the best of our knowledge, not a single newspaper, nr..*r magazine, radio or TV station, or any other segment of the public media ran tho story, with the solitary exception of a French lnnguago paper in Tnrontc. As I said before, if tho news is good, the press simply isn't interested. Nonetheless, tho Association has no intention of abandoning cur efforts vis-a-vis tho national modia. He will continue to issue appropriate press releases, cooperate with feature writers doing stories on asbestos, write letters to eho editor when those stories appear, and in short, do all wo can tc present the press with a balanced view of the asbestos-health situation. Page 8 - Why Asbestos?, by tt. 1. Cwetonic, AIA/RA Presented to the ATI at Arlington, Virginia - 6/7/73 Our cost recent effort in this regard has been the preparation ar.i printing of an Asbestos and Health Information file, which wc have nailed to sene 3 ,0 0 0 newspapers, nagarises, trade publications, radio and TV stations, science writers, etc., across the United Stotas. Sasically, the fils contains copies of five industry position papers on asbestos.and asbestos-health, as well as n number of important medical papers and a pair of photographs illustrating the benefits of asbestos and industry efforts at environmental control, tihilc w q don't aspect our information file tc chango the whole attitude of the press toward asbestos, wc ore hoping that the medio will nnka use of it tc accurately report the industry's position when doing stories on the subject. And now, having heard the hod side of the public relations problcr, it's time for some good nevs. And the good news is that despitn all the negative articles on asbestos-health that have n ppan xcC in the press over the past halfdozen years, very few people have been paying attention. Let me explain. In February, the Association undertook a personal interview research survey of thw American public to dctcrcino its attitude toward asbestos and its awareness of the health issue. Che survey was conducted by the Opinion Research corporation during !Uirch ani April. More than 2,OOC dcncgrnphically selected Americans were interviewed. Without cning into unemrrus detail, the results shew that cnly 22 per cent of the American public are aware rf the health hazards re asbestos, and that 80 per cent of those consider it a hazard only to those who are occupationally exposed. A more three per ccr.t of thr.se interviewed stated that they considered asbestos a health hazard to the general public, and loss than one quarter of one pc; cent considered it the cost dangerous material on the list they were given to choose free. Surprisingly, the college age youths of America arc no nor awaru of the hazards rf asbestos than their parents and grandparents. Those results should hu reassuring to those industry customers .-hr fear that tha general public will stop buying their products because they contain asbestos. Refore going on to describe our activities in the government relations area, I think it night be interesting at this point to take a vary briaf look at the manner in which Or. Selikoff and his supporters have used his research results tc. dramatise and exaggerate the cri*'onnss rf the asl>cstos-henlth problem. I have two charts which point thin **ufc rnrhr con*-1a*ivniy. / Pngs 21 tJby Asbestos?/ hy i ' . It. fustenic, MA/nr. Presented t o eh# ATI at Arlington, Virginia - i/7/73 In discussing the famatioa of the advisory comittas with John OMToill cf the OSJUl Standards Davelopnont -action, vc vcrn ashed to arid a coupl* of names tc the list so that OSrtA .raid have ocrc of a selection to chooso iron. Thin *m havn agreed to do. Tho erroittwo will te given np to nine months to ccrplcta its deliberations and prepare for CSKA a revised standard packer*. This will bo followed by public hearings, aporcrinntcly a year from now. :?e do not expect tr see e new standard prcmlcatcd liefore the Pall of 1974. It is of course impossible to doternino at this tire what the nev standards will look like, hwaver, Z euld venture to say that they will certainly net he less strict than the ones we have today, although they will prebaMy ho less confusing and leave less rr*cn for employe? interpretation. Acssething vd.ll unques tionably be done to irprovc tho current difficulties with the conitoring requirements. The main function of the national Institute for Occupational Safe: and Ilealth is to conduct rasoareh and to prepare se-called Criteri Packages, which are essentially rccmtsmlations te OSHA fer stan dards on various materials, chenicnls and activities. Such a package on asbestos was prepared by r!ZR5!Jat the tine of the 05VS. proceedings last year. itICPP **ill not lx* preparing a new cr revis criteria package for the upcoming review of the eshostes standards I do not believe it vculd he unfair tc say that **i all the agen cies in 'Washington deniinn with ashastos, Pr. Paliknif has had his greatest influcnco on the young idealistic scientists and lector* at ilZCSU. Consequently, industry influence is weakest in this agency. It was KIOSK, after all, that made the original recorr-x:rdatien for a two fiber standard in the United States asbestos industry. Text to OPJTV, tho Environmental Protection Agnney ha* the greatest potential cf any fedoral agency for adversely affecting the future of the asbestos"industry ir. this country. jv?t only is the TPh responsible for developing end enforcing air and water pollution standards, but the T*xie Substances Control Act, no.* pending in Congress, will also became an KPA function nftnr passage. Fer this reason, I on pleased to ho chic tr say that the ashesto* industry has on excellent relationship with tk-* ZT.h. Hr- fin.-.r proof of this exists than tho fact that there was not a single nnjnr industry rocomendation nad.o to tho r?.~. at the public hear ings on the proposed. ns!actos cnission rogulatirns that wnc n-'t accoptad either in teto or in principle in the final standards, which wore published in early >*pril of this year. t.'u arc presently imrhino with the ETA rn tha devoieprent of wants v*atr.r effluent standards fi`*r as'ientos n.imificMr;ng plants, "a 12 Pane - Wiy Asbestos?, by M. M. Bwetonie, AIA/ITA Presented to the ATI at Arlington, Virginia - f / 7/73 certainly hope that these standards will turn out to be as reason able as the air pollution regulations* -he proposed effluent standards axe scheduled to be published in the Tadaral Aegis ter scr-atios this Sumer, to ba followed by public hearings with the final standards l'-oing pxcnulgated in the fall perhaps as early os October. "a are nlso planning/, in the naar future, to rcet in Washington with rapresantativas iron tlio standards leveloncent and enforcement branches of the JTh to discuss with than questions of interprstaties and compliance policy vith regard to the new air pollution regulations. TTe have already resolved one interpretation question that is of special interact to the asbestos tortile industry* hnprcricatcly two t/ecks ago I was asked by a ncrihor company of the Association to find out whether the SPA was planning t o require the manufac turers of asbestos safety clothing to register as potential emission sources under the law. In discussing the situation over the phone with SPT. compliance officials, I argued that the producers of oshontes safety clothing were nrt manufacturers as defined in tha regulation: hut were inscasl only fabricators of an asbestos product, and as such, should not have to register as potential emission sources. /.iter cur phono conversation ended, a brief nesting was held oecng cha EPA cnnplianco pecplo. Z was then called hack and informed that th^y agreed with no that the safety clothing producers should not be required tr register. t!hilo this rather einor prof,Ion took approximately an hour and a half and to or throe phono colls tc resolve, it in indicative nf tha type of day-to-day acrvicas that the Association provides fer its tosher companies. Over the past year tho Food and lirug rdninistrntion has shown an increased interest in asbeston ns a possible hazardous contmin.vr.t in various foods, beverages and drugs, lata in l.h72 they net up an asbestos task force to review tho situation and to propose regula tions and guidelines whore appropriate. Thus far they have concentrated their efforts in tif> areas^ -- on the uso of nslxjctoc-contnninatod talc in food pr.chnring and in cosrtics, and secondly, on tho use of asbestea celulos.-; filter pals in thu bevoraga and drug industries. In our first sooting with the rnh task force last 'Jrverbcr on tho filter problcn, they denonstratnd an*', admitted to an appalling ignoranca about tha health hasnrda of asbestos. Sin e e then, they havo jotten one hech of a lot onertir, due at least in part tc rhe trr:c*:ndnus srrmnt of data .-nrt inforrvw.iiin ,hic' eh.- Page 13 - Why Asbestos?, hy H. u. 5wetonic, AIA/J1A rrcsontcd to the ATI at Arlington, Virginia - 6/7/73 has boon supplying to then. As a censequence, the FDA is today less p a n i c k y about asbestos and th&rsforc loss likely to propose foolish, unsupportable regulations. Spokesmen from the PDA have, in fact, defended the filter industry against environmentalist attacks in the press and olsevhcro in recent months. This is, guite obviously, a healthy sign. Our activities in the area of Congressional relations have been quite nininal to data, although we are preparing for the unccning struggle in Congress ovar workmen's compensation refom, at which tlco asbestos is unquestionably qoing to be racked over the coals by Or. Selikoff end by representatives of organised labor. Unfortunately, the Association has neither the nanpower nor the time to embark on s full-scale legislative information program. We have met on occasion with the legislative and legal assistants to various Senators who have attacked asbestos, however such ore needs to bo done in this ares and Z on afraid individual nenber companies are going to have to be the prime boll carriers end noe the Association. For essentially the same reason, our government activities at the state and local level have declined to essentially zero over the pest year and a half. This has not been too serious a deficiency as most of the authority of the cities and states in asbestos con trol has been usurped hy various Federal regulatory agencies, nonetheless, more individual company activity is required at these levels of government. In conclusion, Z think ve can all bs justifiably pleased with what we have been able to accomplish in tho past few yeers in resolving the cornucopia of interrelated problems that constitute the asbestos-health situation. Our plants aro cleaner and our workmen better protected. The gene ral public has bean shown to be in no clanger from asbestos, if it ever was. Vfcilo wo havs been regulated extensively, fer the most part tho standards that have been developed have r.ct been as bad as we feared they might bo, and in some cases they turned out far bet ter than wo aver dared hopo. In addition, while vc arc still taking cur lumps in the public press, the net offset of oil this adverse publicity has been shown to be surprisingly small. We havo sveated a lot anil vn have groaned a lot, hut wo are still standing and ue aro still viable. I sense today within the indus try a greater feeling of confidence in tho future than at any tine in the past few years, hut wo oust not rest contented. v.q must remember that. hr. Selikoff has to date been far less suc cessful than our industry has in influencing the decisions of the various governmental regulatory agencies. This will make him try 2 A- O 0 G 1 1 2 /? J 7 3 . /9s& & ST05l*Tiu 8 w r , T ^ I sa tur* tbsc asny c i you hev# /.ri yeuc*Iv3, u I hsv sktd ayzalf# vby u s cr.a *si*ito* ladustry tttrizrly bA icUd out s tia f r i s * csrat fer *o asny seuls* by govaracant, lor, zi prass, raresra trscnts e t t*ta aadicsi proi**3" *nd by vs-rau acvirccstAtsl s-zd consueur ctivt ^reups? Why ta*? Csa si*tes r*lly b il tist bsd? Ara h tha preduez va prsriucs trsly oir. zq *11 cillions of Aaaricrzs, a ses* .xpsrzs bava p?*dietri? Cr 1* titre sec sert of es rires eoespiraey ii:c: ee riestrey tha ssioate* induszrv? TA* *r.svr te zi# questis.-. of **hy us* is boti o=;'.*jc sad sis;!. Crc?ix ic*us* iz i s ccriinstirn ci tir*a iazarralatod but sp:ta fxctczs. Si=?l* beeius en of zz* factor is, vhaa eersidsrsd by itxeli. rus .Mwiazs. Tbo tir* fseters r (lj *bscAs etu*s dzioss. (2) a spoirscan sresa ee eiaepien tic noc; cr st.-zze* crr.trzl.  - 3- ad 3J cornucopia ot naw favarinsast a?ar.ctas vara sat ;? co castro1 tdia?s thst causa disaasa. Lae us ioek at acci o i tkss factors in cura. p firstf ara is no doubt riist tka ledalatien o i subitasela! smunta of aitaste esn lasd -o lncraasad rata c vsxious typas ci Ica? disaasa, inclodin? cwo iani oi cascar. Tbaaa ara iteti vhie.**. eserc da daeiad, avari Li eray do noe spply in sii eirrunstsrcas sr.d ondar all condcices. T.ia madieal litarstura is full oi soiid avidrnsa lrkin? axiascjj tn disossa. Za ey oiiica, Z dava on fila sera tese 2.C3C cadiesl papars daalir? vice tra haaitd risica o i sbaste* and buadrada aora ara putiishad avary yasr. gacesdly, tTa spraadin? o aia m evar cha haaiih riiics od ssbastos !ut ss its priua spekasnsa cna od cha cose esl-jccad SMdieal publicists o tha a?a -- - Or. Zrving d. Salihodf cf Som rork's uni Situi Hospital. hot er.iy is Or. Sai'xoif capable ot arousing the ire and =ar*l indignation of eh cost eea*rvacive reporter or politician with hi* grephie de*cripcisns ad prediction* oS sh* : m f u of u i m s s tut ha ha* *l*o surrounded hittili with * group ot similarly talented publicity conscious asseciace* who have carried th* hcunc Sinai ussage ta the far earner* of the natica. While Or. SalJcei! he* in hi* seal, unguestionally ' e> painted far darker picture then the ftat* warrant, we *hould Iveys remember in hi* defense that the insuletica worker* he `he* teen studying far sore then e decade were end still ere i I dying frsn ssbostas related disease at in appalling rate. i ?hi* would he enough to cloud any nan's chinking. Finally, in the peat decade there has teen a trecaniaus growth in public and governmental interest in environmental and occupational health carters, this interest has been translated into a scries of far-reaching lawr affecting industry ia * ajinar hithart unknown ift s M i or any other country. I bollavo le is t e n n e * to mm/ eh*e ta nmv law*, tuen ms-the Occupation*! Saaty and Health Act, the Clean Air Ace, the Consuoer. Protection Ace, ad others, hive crever leered che concept of the free enterprise systes as it was known in this country far a hundred and fifty years. Thus, in cocbinaticn, these three factors created A situation in which a cadra of freshly created federal fancies, with strong statutory authority, were prodded into assigning priority status to asbestos by Or. Selikcff ar.d has failovers, who used and in sene cases eisused the great wealth of negative asbestos'health data ccntained in the eadheal literature to chiavo those ends. In short, the asbostus industry was singled out because it was vulnerable to attack, because there wes sorecne willing, aInoat anaaevu, to 1 sad that attttk. arh because Congress had graciously provided the vehicles fer such an assault jfov such oi vha: Cr. Suliiroii ays icus Atiajtsi i. tru*, and e aicoar ia which fc* us ahu*d tha avaiiacl* zxt: da ia xdox so blow up as tisactiaily cccuptticnai proxies ate 4 Rational calamity ara topics vhich w* .ball axasiat a bit lata;. Tha background oi iadustry aifoxos to daal vita tha asbastas-haalth preblaa as a aaticnal issua goas back naaxly * 4 daeada, to ix. Salikoifs now am us 19*4 saninax on asbestos dioaaia At the Jiaw York Acadasy oi Sciences. Whila this samna. did suit to priex tie industry's ernscoanca about asbestos and health, tha probiaa still ranainec or.a oi United public ar.d prass iatarass until around 19*7, vra.n oho codi-s da gar. beating the die*! bush* teaxohin; ia; r.:::u that would graph! rally portray Aaexicae industry's supposed csr.plat* dliragari for the eavixonreat and fox tie health and sadoty oi ita wozStrea and the American publie. Tha achesws-h*alth problem was iour.d - 7 - to ba tailor-aada for such and Sr. Swiikeif was -cc hasitaat is catering to th* sensationalist whins of th* p a n . As a result, starting with i*sl Irodaur*s ofecus jjs*j yorfcar article ofjiarch M3, stestoi ha since grown ata an ita of stajor pnii .-.tarest. Is the* y*rs, industry forts to ccshat the spat of csgativ pris articles on asbestos wr cam: ad os primarily by th Johns-Mar.ville' Corporation, which sat up a task fort of socialists in various fialds to do vhat it could to porzrty th* prctlaa in its proper perspective. While sen* ninar sueesss wart achivd, it was found that no or.* ecnoany term? ' ind*pndatly could adequately or affactivaly reprasar.: an r.tir* industry in dealing with th* press and with govermant cfficiils. Ak a result, in lata 1370, eight ccupanies gathered in 5fv York City to launch tha Asbestos Z r.ieration Association of North Aoarira, which was frankly patterned altar th British Asbestos Indorsation Cceaittee, which hud been establish * i gene three years earlier. jn our original concept, the Association would ;-;,- i a activities to providing accurate, unbiased information on atiesus ar.d health to the press, to the public and to interested politicians and other gevemxent oddiicsl*. It oust 1 reneabere that at this particular time, the enormous problems that would latex develop with regard to 05HA end other Federal regulatory agencies were as yet on the distant horiton and basically unrecognized by the industry. Fortunately --- and properly-- the Association has had the wisdom to alter its original limited ccr.oept oi its proper functions, and now endeavors to assume whatever activities end responsibilities it deeac necessary to protect the interests c ___ cf the ashestet nar.uiaccurmg industry an the United States 9 fro* ocr rather narrow initial public rainions cerrapc the Association has rcva in the last two years lata an organization vith priorities la eifht aajcr fislds of endeavor. That X: - Hadical Aliiir laai Affairs Governranc Affairs Eivirorrsantal Control Publicity sad Public Rslatiess Custoasr Relations Esployee Relations, and Inter-industry Relation* Is briefly discussing AIA activities in aaeh of these fields, 1 will leave government affairs for list, to: because it has a low priority va thin the Association -- in fact it is currently the aosc important -- but because it is the note plicated and requires the cost discussion. To taka our coivi tim or. at tira then *** cadical '1 rs. It is an obvious fact that if ait organization i* ts speaX authoritatively on a sadica1 attar, le ause noe only ha * soaped in the la taratura of that particular sadica! subject, but it nuat also hasp iosali constantly informad o av discsvtr and davaiopnanta. This v* hava accomplished in a acabar o ways * For example, by sanila? raprasantativas to important oadical sattln?, such as th* 1972 ir.tarnatier.al eoniaranca on the biolcical effects of attestes hald at Lyon in rrar.ee, whir:-. vas sponsored by World Health Organization. ,Both John harsh, --* Prsident of tha AIA, ar-c : actandad that coniarcnra on badali cf the Association. Wo also seat on an irreuiar basis with various cadiril experts in the iiald. both fron th* Gnizcd States and soroad, to review and ditruss raca.-.t devaicpcer.ee cad dasesvertti. Our literature resaarrh is eased considerably by receiving cha aoachly oadical paper distribution p / si Institute of Occupational and environmental Uaalth ta Montreal, which is fundad by tha Quabac Asbestos Minin? Associselo. This year or tha 1rs tica, tha AIA has alactad to sponsor medieal rasaarch of its own. Currently underway is a a completely AIA/MA funded study of chest sounds, which is being conducted by Sr. Xaymrad Murphy of the Harvard School of Public Health. Tha purpose of tha study is to find a new oatrsd of datarsirin? an individual' potential susceptibility to ascesecs disease. . Tha Association has also recently decided to contribute to sosa very exciting research into a possible cure for Mesothelioma through electromotive treatment. This study is bain? condurtod at Somerset Hospital in Hew Jersey. In the legal affairs area, the Association participated in an amicus curai capacity ia tha law suit brought by the Industrial Union D?*rtane at eh Afl/CXC *9*1nse cha Occupational Safety and Health Adaiaiscracion on eh seas standards. In our brief, which was considered by th Justice m Cp*rtnt to be the bast o m filed, eh Association supportad OSKA against eh XCb, senwhat of * unique posicin for an industry eo find icslf in vis-a-vis s. povarneantal regulatory a?ncy. Oral arquhant on eh css vss hold April 4 in tf*ihir.?csn. While s dscisiea hss yet to be handed down by eh Court of Appeals, y ara confidant chit tha css will b dcidd in our favor. Tha Assoeiscien hss rtsir.d ths services of C. 1. ShecXIer, with whoa asr.y of you sr familiar, ss our spaeiai consultant on environs.-,tai control affairs. At eh prasar.t tiae, Cliff is worhin? with eh AXA/NA Snvirorucental Control Sui-Cossnitte* on eh development of 4 sanas of fiva Association eoopliance nsncsls on th OSXA standards. W* axpact eo have chas xsnuaix ava:labia within s short period of tins. y*-. because of the veil established urreiiabi o the aasbran* filter xeehod 44 monitoring1 teol Is the t. Industry, th# AIA undertook th speesorship of * study 4* * research laboratory in California to determine th# 'feet of certaih variables cn thj overall sceuracy of th* a*shod. results of th* stuty shoveid in error factor of plus or nines 50 per et.nt under eh# nose favcrahle of nea sunr.<j conditions* this* results ware sent to heth CSRA ant to th* National reccerendaticns contained in th* study for improving th* accuracy of th* method have bn incorporated into a sccn-to be-released revised NiOSH operations manual on fihar counting. Ift th* custoeor relation* area, th* total afract of negative press publicity inJ gcvrn.u*r.; regulations on industry customers is still today rather poorly fined. Some cancers of the Association have reported serious prcnler-c in this area while ethers have experienced few or r.e difficulties thus- far. Vbara curiosar presi as 4s arare, tbay nortuliy fai: iato so st fiva eatagonas. Ti ist cur osar haj eboroughly iavastigacad bis situation and ha* und thas h caa na longar stiord ta conti-" uriflf ui<t:es or asbartos-contaisir.g producta, aitbar baeausa eba cor et centrai Ls eoo bi9h or baeausa ha vould bava co raisa eba prie of bia produet co a lavcl ebac vould auu it nea-ctitpaticive wirb tton-asbastos eantatning ubati ttes. Saetti, tha cuasoear ha not tioroughiy invastilisti bia ai eu* tien and oniy tbinJts that ha ean no Icngar afiord to continua urtng asbastes. Tbird, tha cartonar bas raad ona or aosa nagatsv* articiaa n aabaaeoa in tha public press and bas suda tha arut daciaion tha *v# eught co jet e u ; dargarous staff oet si car plan.8 Oian, dacisioas ei eli natura ara fcrccd en top a o a n e by iii-iaforsad oadiral advirors or safaty and hdaitb diractors. 15 - Four, the custoeer has neither 4 control problem r.cr . , is ho particularly afraid of using asbestos in his own plant. However, ho is fqsrful thAt those ot his ecspetitiocs wheat finished products do not contain asbestos will stress the adverse health effect* oasbestos ir- trying to ta*a business away froa hia. Customer fears oi this nature are essentially *gut' reactions and hense extremely difficult to deal with. And Five, the custoaer has none of these problems or feers but he has been advised by a government official or inspector that he would be better off if he quit using asbestos or asbestos* containing predusts in has plant. Uhila this problem does net appear to be widespread, we have learned of a number of situations where it h>aa occurred. Actien* of this nature by government officials aro totally uncalled for and should bo dealt with V promptly and decisively. The best solution is tc obtain comoiace details on the incident And then to register a formal complaint u with tho offending official's immediate superior or with the government sis.ncy involved. the Association's first reaction to the overall customer relations problem was to approve funds for a series of four regional seminars at which industry customers would be given a number of basic presentations on the various aspects of the asbestos-health problem, the seminars were tentatively scheduled for the Spring of this year. Hcwever, the experiences of a number of our member companies showed that general catchall type seminars of the type originally contemplated would not be effective in dealing e with the majority of customer relations problems, in order to do the job properly, it was found that customer presentations have to be tailored to the needs and problems of the individual customer. tl  11 As & rasulc, eh Associamoci cucilltd ics xcbsdultd sri*s o stniasrs sod instasi Alsctad co davale? s nu=br of pack a? d slid prasancations on such topics as "?h4 raots About Asbestos sod Kalch,* snd "Ondarscaadinf tha 05HA SsytiKiofii,* which could b usad by asnbur cocpAftiAS ss psrc of s tailorad prasantation to individual eustosars. Thasa slid* prsncations iri still in tha works, but should b svsilAbl shortly. As with cuscosar raiacions, cha Association ftis that Asploy rsiacisnj is a prosi on bast handled by tha individual alanbar ccnpanias. Thus far, th AIA's sol car.tri butioa in this ATA Si Indus cry concsm hju bAn to ?r?sr tha draft of an Eapleyao Safaty and Baalch Guide cr. AsbastosXaalth. ?ha draft vas nad Avallsbl# to the caenar coaoanios for thair own usa and at laast or.a, Kayba*tos-.Har.battor., has producad i t ia booklet fora fcr distribution to a l l i t s aarlcyaaj. - i* - 2 psxsonslly bIi*v* tb*t tb* aploy** relation* aspet o* tb* *bstos-fc**lfth probl*o Is on* t>4t h*s b*n jortiy MflsessA b cost eonp*ni*s within tb* industry. i ;**i ea: c m could d*v*iop into * **jor probl** trit in cb* asax fueur *nd that tu?t should b* tah*r. now to d**i with it. h* know tb*t 8? StliXofi and various osgsnissd labor groups iri planning full sals esspsiga to brine th*ir incr?rc*cian of tb* asfeits3 -halcb problta to tb* Attention oi i i b m o j industry *o?icys throughout tb* notion. Zi tb* industry porsits tbit inesrpratatien to b* dissthinatad ur.ohsiUr.ij*d, tb* eonsqu*ne*s could b* gr*v* ir-d**d. 13 etax-industry relations era best defined At fcaep;. tiK LaduJtry indorsed about important te developments a.-, th povemsantai, eadisai and press relations roots that effect > txaatut. This is aecoapiishcd vithis the AIA by periodic distribution* of docunants and information to the aeaber easpanies and to others cs our cuiiir.y list. the value of this acticity err. be sa$uc by the iiz that our overall mills? list increased iron approximately a dozen aesvax in 1371 to sore than (C a year later, while v< have had to trim the list scaevhat this year fsr logistical 30 rsoils, v iiiue isos, tin frequent requests we still recetv co be placed on the 1 1 ehat til tori*! ve sand out Is bain? raid and is of considerable vsiua to those receiving it. Haxc to ;:vniiu affairs, our public ralstior.s sod publicity sctititiss constitute the single largest consumer of tin, effort Ad acney within tba Association. Those of you vbo ara faailisr with the treatment that asbestos has baan * receiving in tbs public press over the years car. readily understand why this activity ranks so high on our priority list. What you suy r.st understand ara the reajans why cur extansive efforts.in dealin? with the natron's press have beer so _ unsuccessful to date in producing the theoretical "balanced* or *positive* story on asbestos and health. a. --'tti'eaiie  31 The suKpU fact is that iron tii standpoint of , 1 today's young activist industry is the bsi guy, and nothing v do, say or achieve eon ever change t M i impression. * if wo pond $ 10 0 million dollar on environmental control, the p n s i either say w* ought to have dor. is tan years *g or that vo should have spent 200 till ion. If wo sponsor nodical roscareh, thoy say v* art trying to buy favorable results* li v are opposed to ridiculously stringent standards, they say vo ara in favor of letting our employees die. A television sxscutive in Minneapolis described this new breed of reporter as being "so intent on demolishing the establishment that they would blindly destroy the credibility af the media in the bargain." Another TV executive, this in Chicago, stated "they want to make moral and political and judgments on their (issigrucer.es and then take sides. Sever And getting the tacts straight." . 22 - Aj a result of this `industry is a ncnstaz* philotcphy, aabestos'will rsrula s hot news it* only so ion; ss th news is bad. Th `goed* thsc asbestos doe* in protecting 1ives and property is of no concern to the press, likewise, industry efforts to protect workmen And the general public froa Asbestos expesure will Always be given einiaal coverage, since such indorsation is directly contrary to the portrait of an irresponsible industry producing a `killer* product that is the sole lament of news worthiness in the asbestos story. The press relations battle will therefore be von not when the cedia starts to print positive or balanced articles about asbestos, but when the press ceases to print anything about asbestos at all. Xs long as negatav news on asbestos-health continues to be generated, the madia will continue to eat it up. The madia vail only cease to carry .such stories when the generation of negative news ceases ... 23 ie J as siepi* as that issi tiva or toalancad *tariti i n a ehiatn, sisea thay ara/ by dafiaitc/ not eavsvorthy. t ae giva ye a vaxy spaciic araepls o i this U s e principia ia action. As aoat o ye alraady kncv, the Associaftiea is euerantiy angafad ia aa axtaaxiv* caapaiya so iataraxt tia erada prass Le artici** ea tha banafiti o aseaste* aa ea industry aeoeplisftsar.ts in tha aavironaaneal control aras iba erada prass, uaiDea tha aatioml er pabilo exdis, is n e h sera raeaptiva te artici** o this natura and va axpact te ha saaiag a turbar o positiva stsria* in tha erada eras* in tha aaxt av nonch Za any casa, va alio irta tina %a tina put ouc prass raltasas oa vario* acbjaet* ralating o ashastos-haaith, A av vaaks ayo, ve ssujtad a ralas** en tha raport o tha advisory ceexittta ea asaseos caacars o tha World Haalth Orpaairaeion, la hria, tha rtport esncludsd that tha gasarti publie is ose in Alagar rou asaseos ia tha eavixenaent. Thus sr, v hava received nearly two dozen press clippings iron trad* publication that eirried the story* ?o the host of our knowledge, not * newspaper, nows aagexini, radio or TV station, or any ether segaent of thi public nodi* ran tbo story, with the single exception of o Trench langusge popor in Toron so. As Z sold before, if tbo sows is good, tbo pros* ain't interested. Nonetheless, tbo Association h*s no intoncion of m abandoning our offerts vis-a-vis the nscionol'eodio. tfe will continu* to issue appropriate press roiesses, cooprt with feature writers do:*g stories on asbestos* write scathing letters to tbo editor when those stories appear, and in short, do all we#can to present the press with a balanced viev of tbo asbestos-health situation. Our cost rscent effort in this regard has been the preparation and printing of an Asbestos and Health Information Pile, which v* have nailed to sate 3,CC3 newspapers, a*$*2ir.*a. trad publication*, radio and TV station*, science writers cc. acres* th onied Seat*. Z bav* brought a'half-dozta files along vith e* that you can taka a look at after th cat tin;. m Basically, th filit contain* copits of th five industry position papers which vra distributed arlitr, a* well a* a nusbar oi important eadical paprs and a pair ot photographs illustrating th bar.efits oi asbestos and industry (arts at environmental control, you cay be interested to know that the Iran chesan to Illustrate the benefits of asbestos is a fire-proof asbestos suit. While va don't expect our information file to change the whole attitude 04 the press toward asbestos, we are hoping that the aedia will sake us of it to.accurately report the industry's position when doing stories on th subject. had now, having hoard the bad side of th* public relations problos, it's else for th good n*vs. 21 And .*> good neve i s . . . . despite 11 the negative articles ea esbestos-healfife that luv* appeared la the press eve? tbs past haif-doren years, very fiw people hsvs been . * TT " Hying attention. Ise as explain. Xa February, the Aseociatieo undertook a personal interview research survey of the American public to datsscaina its Attitude toward asbestos and its awareness oi the health issue, the survey was conducted by the Opinion research Corporacion during March and April. More than 2,0CC desographically selected Acericans were interviewed. 2 have here with se sufficient copies for all of you of a sumary of the results. C CCXTifcW rJUM-StSOCAM ) Before going on to describe cur activities in the fovsraasat relations area. 1 think it argilt be interesting at tfeis poiht to take a very brief look at the sinner in - 2? vfclch or. Jelikoff and his supporters have used hns research results to druutit* end txi^firiti the seriousness of the asbestos-health problem. 2 have two slides which point this out rather conclusively. S'LZDZ 1 -- -- XSA3 BATA The first slid* shows the actual results of Or. Seliksff four mortality studies of asbestos workers. The numbers la " _ paresthesia beside the figures for total number of workers indicate these who have so far died ires all causes. The percentage figures alongside the total number o i deaths from asbestoses, lung cancer and sesotheliem* are based on the total number of deaths from all causes, not on the number of workers in the study. The most important study of the lot is the second fro the top, showing the deaths from asbestos-related disease asezg all members of the insulation workers union, regardless s 21 Of length of exposure. You will-note O u t 24 per cent o' th a t* workers who have died thus far have died fren ane o f . > H 1 * yhe three asbestos-related diseases. These than, are the facts Or. Jelikoff works frc=. This is what he knows frea his own investigations. Nov let us take a look at what he has done with these figure* in order to dramatize the problaa. SLIM 2 --- >32Cr:C.N'S This slide shews Or. Selikofi's predictions about asbestos-related deaths in the Cat cad States. Without going into details Or. felikoii has arrived at his pro;ectiors by the siaple procedure of auiriplyiag the percentage of deaths fro* asbestos-related disease arong his insulation workers by the total aechor of eapioyees In the entire industry. 21 You will *1 * 0 note that be has raised his projected death t<tia4ti to i n e r a w height* over the past yt u by simply increasing the bass figure of employees exposed, while still retaining the precentage multiplier of 24 pr cent being experienced by ehs insulatien workers. 1 might point out that this tactie, however improper and deceptive, has been an enormous success sines each raising of the estimate has earned Or. Selikoff -correspondingly gratar coverage by the madia. Vo finer example exists of the total gullibility of the press than the manner in which Or. Selikoff manipulated and played on their prejudices to gain publicity* 2 can readily envision the 1s t of them up a there at Mount Sinai laughing themselves silly over the ease with which they baaboosied the press wish these trumped-up predictions. * 33 Ploasa dcn't fat m wror.f, faatlsun. Z hava little doubt that eh iasulation workers U I la face dying as rapidly Or*. lifeif says they ui. the proble* ia ha lui translated ! chalx mortality exparitnc* to cha rast of tha aaelra industry, vhieh Is absolutaly ridiculous. Za tha first place, tha e*grated tusher of ploy* la tha lades try Is coo Mf.i -- fiva tlsas toe bifh to ha * . precise. Even ora irportar.t, according to aa aaalysls by tha Association of sore than a dotaa aortality studies, including these of Or. Solikoff, our prediction is that approximately 23,000 past sad present asployaas la tha asbestos .Industry have died or vlll avaatually die of asbestos-related disease. a This Is lass than oaa-cblrtaenth of Or. Salikoff* most recant estimate. Za addition, our figures shew that 20 ef tha 23,000 deaths -- or 10 par cast -- will occur twang ehesa in the insulation trades. i 31 While Ouii elate should b* reassuring to the ;.of us a she Blais? and anufaeturing area of the industry, v afeould not for? chat 5,000 of our vertean ar till gels? to 44 of asbscos-r*lated dia aad that, ail things eonidard, thsre is absolutely nothin? that w can do to prevent it. the only thin? w can do ia to clean up our plants to assura that thos nearing th industry in th future will not hav the'saae experience. S1135 3 -- -- MVEiWHOT ACSHCISS Within th past y*ar and a half, th main thrust of Association ifart has shifted to the governaenc affairs frc.tt. ?ha principal agencies in Washington with which wa have bean dealing are, of course, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration; the Invixomental Protection Agency; tha food aad Drug Adoini*tracion; tha aureeu of Hines; and, to a lasser dag?, tha national Institute of Occupational Safety and Health ad tha National Jnseitutca of Health hoeh e t which u * aalhly involved la raaaarch offore*. Za additioa,- tow vaaka 4 9 0 ve var contaeted by eh federa 1 trada Cossi* *ion, vhieh had recaivsd peti elea frea eh Cantar tot Scianca in th futile Zner*e raquasting n inveaeigasion of ccasuzar usa* of tasto* or eh purposa od determinine whathtr certain produce* ught to ba labaiad a* haxardoua and whathar warning* shouli ba raquirad on Il ' advercisaxaats Sor ttosa produce*. On et basi* of y astine vith an invaarigatnr rea eh* FTC Z vould say ehat w* bava little co vorry bcut in ehi* partieular arsa. suor -*--- OSHA The Occupational Safaty and Health Memi*tration ha* heaa ot aneneus ecceara to tha induatry ov*r th pese If zontha. As ose of you alraady hnev, tha Aaaeeiation axpesdad txccandoua aiiort* during tha six con eh pariod 33 - Issding to tho prooulgation of last Juna's OSHA star.cords on tibtiuj. I think ie 1 * 9 of tft i C k v i m i i of tha total industry involvasant ia this n e u crucial aattar chat of aiavan main raguiramants ia tha standard* tha industry position was accaptad totally by OSHA oa aia* of tha aiavan, bout fifty pareanc ca a tenth, aad totally rajactad on only ona. Now of coursa, OSHA is planning to rado tha staadard package and v* ara working closely with tha* oa this pro3act. tho first stop will ba tha formation e i a IS an advisory eoeaittaa to raviaw tha current standards and any additional r t data and information that bas baaa davalopad ia tha yaar sine* ' * in tha standards vara promulgated. .j Working ia cooparatloa with nir.a ochar trida associations, i i including your owa, wo have salactad fav-r individuals as- industry* r** S- wlda racomendations to 03EA for tha fou;: so-called employer ! peu on sh advisory eoosreta. Th cur pccpl jclteecd wer Cuy Cabritisen, prsidant of Klcolat; Zit wav? of &aybstos<'Hanha.eean; ox. Frd Fundsack, vie Prsidant for jtsaxch ad Davalopoant of Johns^t'anvill; and Cliff Shecklar. Za discussing ch formation of eh advisory cornai.sta with John O'haill of tha OSHA Standards Ovlopnnc Section, V war* ashed to add a coupla of nao to eh lise so ehae OSHA weald have ae lst th sablane of a slection. This wo have agraad to do. Th comit will b given up to sir. sonis co CCS? 1st trs liberations and prepara for CSKA a ravisai standard package. This vsil to followd by public hearings, approximately a year fret sow. Wo do not space to s a nw standard promulgated before th Fall of 1974. i / - 35 It 1 ef course icpossible to datamine tt this whne the now standards will look liko. however. I would venture to say that thoy will certainly not b loon strict than the onoi wo have today, although they will probably bo loss confusing and loavo loss room or employer interpretation. Something will unruestionably bo dons to laprove the currant difficulties with the monitoring requirements. SHOT '5 --- OSH Those slides, by the way, ara merely simplified organization chares of the varices agencias with which wa 1 in washingten. The u i n unction of the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health is to conduct research and to prepare so-called Criteria Packages, which are essentially i sriirranrlirl rnt eo QSHA for standards on various materials and chemicals. Such a package on asbestos was prepared 31 fiy M10JSX ac tba ci* oi tba OSHX procaedirgs las yaar. HIOSU 0 vili oc b praparin u v or ravisad cricaria package for ha upcsaia raviav oi ha basco* suadards. I do ne ballava ic vould ba o&iaix eo say chat oi ail tbo ganci la Washington daallng vich sbasto*, or. Sslihoff bas had bis grsacase iailuaaee oa cha yeung .salisele seisntises ad docors at 3X0S2. Conseguane!/, . industry iniluanca 1s wsaJtsst la bis aganey, Xt vas 8X032, aieax ail/ bac aada cha original raeosaaedacion for a evo iihar sandari in ba sbasto* induscry. &LZ5S --- PA Nxc co 05KA, tba Envaroenancal Protacd o n Aganey ha. cba graaeasc poeoaeial oi any darai aganey ior advarsaly aifoccibg cha futur oi tba asbascoc industry in tbis country, bot oaly la cbo PA raspoesibla for davaloping and niorsisg tir and vacar pollution standards, bue eh Toxic Subitanea* - 37 Control Act, ccw pending in Congress, will alsc become an E?A laneclan tar pars?. Far this r*son, Z a pleased ta be 61 to say that m the asbestos industry baa a excellent relationship with the ii. No lnar proof of this exists than eh faet that chars was not a single major industry reeonaendacion or suggestion aide to the X*A at the public hearings os the proposed asbestos emission regulations that was cot accepted either in toco or in. principle in the final standards, which were publisned in early April of this year. We are presently working with the E?A on the developnent of waste -water effluent standards for asbestos nstufacturing plants. We fully'expect that thesa standards will turn out to he as reasonable as the air pollution regulations. ?he proposed effluent standard are echadulad to be published in tho federal Register in early July, this will he follcwad by' A  ]f public hearing*/ probably in lac* July or August, with tha final standards bain? promulgated in the fall, perhaps am arly am October. V are Alto planning, in ch near future, to meet in Washington with representative* iron eh* standards development and enforcaaent branch* of th C?A to discuss with than questions of interpretation and compliance policy with regard to th* new air pollution regulations. Wo have already resolved one interpretation question that is of special interest to the asbestos textile industry. Approximately two veeJta ago 1 was ashed by a achar ccopany of the Association to find out whether the Z?A waj planning to require th* manufacturers of asbestos safety clothing eo register ss potential emission sources under the law. : ' I i IP I . JJ Za discussing che situation ever che phene with r?A compliance official, X argued thee che producer of asbestos oft'/ clothing vera not manufacturers as defined in che regulations 'but were inataad only fabricatiors of n asbesto produce end a such, should not have to register a potential mission sources. After our phooe conversacica ended, a brief Beating was held among the C7A compliance people. I was then called baek and informed chat they agreed with ee that the safety clothing producers should not be required to register. While this rather minor problem took appreximateiy an hour and a half and two or tnrae phone calls to resolve, + it i s indicatiye of the type of day-to-day services that the Association provides for its amber companies. 40 S tlV Z 7 --- PDA Ovr th ?i: yoar eh Pood ad oru? Adniaistxaeion M i show *A iaercaslnp lata; la sbasto *s pibi haxardous coatamnant la vaxious ioods. bavarapos ad dru?s. \ co la 1972 choy sc up a sbosco tasb to te co rvlv cbo situatloaand co propose r9ulations ad fuidallaos whoro appropria. Thus ite tfcy hav eoncantratad eftaix orca la evo arsas oa tho use o t a*ba coi-contasizar*d tale la food packafir.* ad la sossaties, ad sacoadly, on eh uso of aitaicoi lttlos filtar pad ih tfca bavera? ad dru? industria*. la our flrst ootin-j vieh eh PDA task Coreo lase uovmobor oa eh lilr probi, thy d=or.stxatd an appalli.-.? if&eraacc about tko hcalth hasards o t sfcstos. Sino thn, thoy bava ?otto oa* hcfc ci a lot saaxtar, duo at laast ia a pax -o ha ereaotdous saune o i data ad iaiaraation vhich 41 th* Association has b o ta su p p ly in g Co chea:. Xs ccnjacua:: u n r a \ 1* today 1 panicky about asbesto* Ad therefor U t i lihaly tu propose foolish. unsupportabl requiatitns. Spokesaen ir* th r t x have. ia fact, defended th 1*- ad aqainst environmentalist attacks ia th press *nd elsewhere rceat months. This is, quit# obviously, a helthy siqs. S U O I --- IXTSSC5T CROUPS Slaco our contacts with eh National Institutes of Health h*v ba quit Bacia*1, and s ir .c eh hoalth and safaty section ci eh Sureeu of Mins as presently Scene reorganised, v can now proceed co tak a brief look ac che various iat*r*st groups that hav been in cha forefront of eh aaaault on asbostoa. th** are cha groups and erganratie: that eoaatitute *ths other aid.* XM you can see, ther* ar a lot of eh*, and between the* they can t x t x t povarfyl pressur* on legislators and administrators ae all levels n f qoverr-tant. -O - Size sic* is net available to discuss each of thsir activities and philosophies in detail, X would like to any ttuc w* keep * close watch on all of than and art always prepared to taka whatever action is appropriate whan they stap out of lino. s i i%c : p s c jz c ro R e r r ------- u s -:? on Oux aetivieias in eha araa of Congressional ralatior.s have been quits minimal to data, although va ara preparing for the upcoming struggle la Contrast ovar werksan*a coapansacion reform legislation, at whieh tins asbestos is unquestionably going to be rackad ovar tha coals by or. Selikofi and his compatriots in organised labor. Onfortunately, tha Association has neither tha manpower cor tha time to ember* on a full-seals legislative information program. Ve have mat on occasion with eh* lagislativa ar.d lags! assistants to various enaoorj v;:o `ivi sttackad asbestos. o however euch oora needs to be don* in this a;* end Z an efreid individual seober companies are going to have to be the prioe ball carriers and not the association. ror essentially the erne reason, eur government Activities at the state and local level have declined to essentially taro over the past yeas and a half, this has not bean too serious a deficiency as sort of the authority of zhm cities and states in asbestos control has been usuxped by the various Federal regulatory agencies, konetheless, sere individual company activity is required at these levels of governnent. In conclusion, X think ve can all ha justifiably plsssed with vhat ve have been ebls to aceccplish in the past few years la resolving the cornucopia of interrelated problem that constitute the asbestos-health situation. (M.r* '.iI.fc 44 Cur plants a? claar.ar and our warksan bettor pretectal * the general public .kJi boon shewn to bo in no darker iron asbestos. if ie over wag. While wo have boon regulated extensively. for tho nest part tho standards that havo boon \ developed havo net boon as bad as wo feared tboy night bo. and in sens rasas they turned eut far batter than wo ovor dared hope. Za addition, while wo aro still taking our luaps in tho public press. tho not offset of all this adverse - publicity has bacn shown to ba surprisingly snail. tfo have sweatod a lot and wo have groanad a lot. but wo aro still standing and wo aro still viable. I sense today within tho industry a great? feeling of cor.iiar.ee in the future than at any tine in tho past few years, hut wo aust not rest contented. - 43 - i'V 7 n.7 4 li cus: ftarf efcsc Or. Sliiof hai co et bn fax isss suce**fui chaa our ledoscry lus la iaflcancin? cha calees o# ch variov* fovorasuaul rgulatory alasela. T M s vil! ** hLa try tardar. Just lase va z sv pasca r \ ef ai* la vhich ha purpealy slsiacr?racd saa* data by distiauishad eritish t:u:ui: la ordar sa prova eut van evo fibsrs 1s noe s suificiancly sais lsvsl for occupations! xposura co asbestos. ?ft scruni 1s far froa ovr. tfo ause aoe oaly continu bue i.cdd xpand our attivici ia ch various araa ef coneara if va axa co assur ch futurs wall-Sain? of ch asbestos industry ia eh Cnitd Seat. thanfc you vry auch. AFFIDAVIT OF ROBERT C. COHEN STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA COUNTY OF PHILADELPHIA ) ) ss.: ) ROBERT C. COHEN, of full sge.*upon bis oscb, depose* sand aaya: 1. I u principal In the fira of Knlpcs Cohan Associates , a shorthand reporting sarvlcs located ac *00 Market SeratC, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. 2. In 1978 Snipes Cohen Assoclataa was designated as the official repository for document* of the Asbescos Textile Institute. 3. In February 1980 the deposition of Doris Fagan, executive secretary of the Asbestos Textile Institute, was taken ac the offices of Snipes Cohen Associates. _ 4. Ms. Fagan produced ac her February 1980 dopotltlou the ociginiJi minutes of ATI meetings as maintained by her as executive secretary of the Asbescos Textile Institute. 3. From the data of that deposition, I have been custodian of records of chose originial minutes. 6. The .origlniale of the ATI minutes have remained in the drawers ac Che offices of Xnlpes Cohen Associates under ay direction since Ms. Fagan's deposition of February 1980. 7. Whenever copies of chose mlnucae are requested by a party to the asbescos litigation, they are xeroxed by Knipes Cohen Associates' employees under my direction and are certified. 8. The copies of che ATI minutes which I have provided are Indicated as e Exhibit "A" and are true and accurate copies of documents identified by Oorls Fsgen at her deposition on September 9, 1980. ) i M 2 9. There have been no additions Co. deletion froei of alteracin* Co che docuaencs ma idencild by Ms. Fagan on Sepceaebr 9, 1980. Sworn to and subscribed before me this day of Occobcr.1988 r u t^ ,f K rt Wv Co.Tim,rvon P^-1* CO EOBEET C. COHEN