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FILE NAME Insurance Industry INS
DATE 1936 Oct 22 DOC INS028
DOCUMENT DESCRIPTION Article from The National Underwriter - Chicago Group Discusses Group Disability Claim Problems
CASUALTY AND SURETY SECTION
State
Recast Setup Management of Two Big Organizations
Chicago Group Discusses Disability Claim Problems
LESLIE IS BUREAU MANAGER REHABILITATION METHODS UP
High F
Real Li
Hygiene Foundation Com-
B pletes Survey of Laws in Various Jurisdictions
Beha General Counsel for Executives
Body and Modify F. Robertson Jones Duties
Addresses Given at Sessions of International Claim Association Reviewed at First Fall Meeting
Kept Travelers From Compensation L Years Ag
FORMITY IS LACKING
sensation for Disease Is Granted in 17 States and District
gg Law
E
of Columbia
NEW YORK Oct. The long an-
ticipated changes in setup and reassignment of management personnel of National Bureau of Casualty & Surety Underwriters and Association of Casualty
& Surety Executives were finally de-
sm
conflicts among the laws of the
wR Crates governing compensation
forkmen forkmen injured in industrial accidecompensation for workmen con-
decompensation occupational diseases and phy-
:
examination requirements for em-
ment are disclosed in the findings
Abacon Abacon
wide legal survey made pub-
Abacon the Air Hygiene Aquarters Aquarters of which
Foundation the
are at Mellon
Pittsburgh This study notes
Inste
Pittsburgh in some states to award
sation to sufferers of occupa-
Beg diseases
examination
examination
respecting survey involved the examination
1,
literature for statutes and
decisions
" occupational
Firom air pollution
It was di-
H. A. Middleton of
Gradual Injuries Recognized
Forse guiding principle in the early guiding guiding compensation accidental the
accidental awang of compensation for
meaning thereby traumatic in-
those years the importance of
ue to occupational discase
i
greatly at
recognized
however however became increasingly ap-
apple that injury might be suffered
and that the result of such
breakdown of the strength and
In of the employe was more
many instances than trauma-
ns therefore in
ns wres
with the problem
so as to include
be disease within the
some states of construing disease, compensation
compensation
WILLIAM LESLIE
cided upon at a mecting of the executives body yesterday afternoon and of the bureau this morning
J. Arthur Nelson president New Am-
sterdam Casualty was elected president
Executives association and J. M.
Haines U. S. manager London Guar-
antce president
F.
Robertson
Jones formerly manager will hereafter
function as secretary while Claude W.
Fairchild was reelected ager and named acting ing the selection of a
assistant manmanager pendpermanent ap-
pointee
The
announcement
of
these
im-
portant changes was made statement of the executives
in a joint association
and National Bureau
act r
Situation in Maryland
Maryland
is cited as one of these
States Maryland There it appears from court der
States
1210
States There diseased condition contracted
ployment is compensable if caused
by
by
thePy
the
negligence of
discussing the
employer the existing
confusion existing
7
of the differences in the laws
oat oe
explains problems report
es state is es its
maty
is
unit
a unit
sovereign
a sovereign and
in its own way
lacking although of
the statutes of many states are
The courts of the various states
such precedents as appeal to
2 consequently on many important consequently consequently consequently likely to be a diver-
of opinion among the courts and
the courts fall into two or more
CONTINUED ON PAGE 47
Beha's New Duties
J. A. Beha formerly general manager of the bureau will now serve as gen-
cral counsel of both the executives asso-
ciation and bureau
William Leslie formerly associate general manager becomes the general manager of the bureau E. E. Robinson was reelected secretary
The National Bureau henceforward
will be strictly a making organization Its accident prevention and fraudulent claim detection work is being
turned over to the executives associa-
tion
paid Tribute
ager of the
was executives
F. Robertson Jones executives association association and
ager of the executives association and
its predecessor the Workmen's Com-
pensation Publicity Bureau
The first fall meeting of the Chicago
Claim Association following a dinner on dining cars of the Milwaukee railroad at the Union Station was devoted to a review and discussion of addresses given
at the annual meeting of the Interna-
tional Claim Association A. G. Fankhauser Continental Casu-
alty who was chairman at a round table session at that meeting devoted to dis-
cussion of some special aspects of claim
problems and a member of the program
committee of the International associa-
tion told some of the points that espe-
cially appealed to him
addresses He said the
in the talk by
various
Harold
K. Gordon executive secretary health
& Accident Underwriters Conference on
CONTINUED ON PAGE 47
Futz Is Peeved Because He Was Not Recognized
EIGHTY PA Oct. There was considerable gloom in this community when the National Association of Insur-
ance Agents announced the membership of its executive commit tee and it was found that our
energetic very useful insurance
man Joseph Futz was not given
an appointment
Mr. Futz at-
tended the momentous convention
of that organization at Pittsburgh
and was instrumental in bringing
about a number of reforms He
also initiated the candidacy of the new president W. Owen Wilson of Richmond Va Owing to Mr.
Futz activities and high reputation as an expert in insurance in this locality it seemed to be a
foregone conclusion that he would
be honored by becoming a member of the committee
Mr. Futz in commenting on the situation said I was assured by Owen Wilson and Walter Ben-
nett that I would be appointed on the executive committee because
in their opinion there was needed
in this organization one close to
the people and an insurance man who knew how to dig up grass
from the very roots The reason
that I was sidetracked is entirely
due to jealousy on part of a few
insurance companies that desired
to come into my agency
Some
of the Pennsylvania field men
who were not invited to my pol-
icyholders watermelon picnic be-
gan a campaign of vilification
and the minds of the officials
were poisoned
I am a broad-
minded man and will work in the
private ranks and show these fel-
lows up in due season
S. B. PERKINS
Addresses Chicago In
Association on Retros Plan Which Brought
Sanford B. Perkins a of the Travelers at the
remarkably good job of behalf of the retrospe compensation rating pl
of an address at the a
the Chicago Insurance
tion this week Mr. Pe
man who has a pleasing He knows the subject c timately He is a whol of it and he marshal arguments in lucid fash
Even those in the au been following the ret developments closely g
the presentation in the ton and enthusiasm
Saved Travelers
Mr. Perkins started
tional statement that re had saved the life of
business for the Trave
ago he declared the
Travelers decreed that continue writing comp
nation That thr
ficials into consternati
him on what basis the
continue in the field
By
swer
making a pro
The Travelers acco
kins had lost betwee 4,000,000 of compensa a 48 percent loss ratio
7
the character of the
and the company he s
to retrospective rating
ness back into the rea
Big Improveme
The Travelers used
ing on big risks expe
next two years The
retrospective rating wa producing a loss rat During the first year tive rating the loss r
of business was 41.4 1
That emphasized that retrospective rat effective accident prev devised Phenomenal
curred in practically e placed on the retrosp after year the experi
all of the risks has b
at the point that en n^"nimuinpremium F
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Peach group following a differ-
with respect to the same
"
They shows that compensation
Save been passed in 46 states Save been passed while states tipe legislation while only 17
tipe the District of occupational
pensation for occupational dis-
pensation pensation the included however,
Selickass not included in the list of
Selickass
diseases
comble comble legal obligation on the part
ployer to provide a safe place lead usually the matter of venti-
covered The mining laws ap-
sailormity as to air quantity Czechanical ventilating equipment Czechanical the controversial point of
Coxing medical examinations for work-
medical report comments
for risks of any summ
adjusted accorsagy lan and minimu accorsagy it Mr. Mr. comPeprlkieats e the
sum
com I ethod the selection com I
time d selection was in bringing bringing
:
New Medical Problems
s
the adoption of occupational
ig adequate new medical problems arise adequate provision is required
examination examination and treatment
case ie, especially true with respect to
which calls for diagnosis Owed specialists experienced in that
Owed
red makes his his
an ance for a prott for igh a charge
ies
omitted ave ompanies tio
coverage coverage omitted omitted
set the sima the theremin there
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ompanies capturaq is
The
Mexico the compensation act
ae The shall be the duty of the work-
Say
edaosveesdrover to Say
Say 23 submit to physical examina-
silicosis in New York the act of 1936 silicosis and other dust dis-
:
Cales
policy
hereby declared be the policy
PAgislature PAgislature of this state to pro-
PAgislature
pro-
PAgislature tough every lawful means avail2-3 requirement as a prerequisite 2-3 myment myment which compels an ap-
Oregon Massachusetts Oklahoma
Pennsylvania Rhode Island Tennessee Virginia and Washington
That such right does exist seems well settled with respect to another group of 12 states California Kansas
Kentucky Louisiana Minnesota Mississippi Missouri Nebraska New
Hampshire New Jersey New York and West Virginia
It should be noted however that occupational anders anders compensable to cupational extent anders the compensable
acts in all of this group except four
states Kansas Louisiana Mississippi and Kansas Louisiana Hence the common law right to recover in eight of the
12 states is very much limited
No Court Decisions
In the remaining 17 states and the District of Columbia no court decisions
deciding the question of common law right could be found
B. Meller managing director of Air Hygiene Foundation points out that
the problems of industrial air pollution
have their legal as well as medical and engineering aspects and added
No solution which will benefit socicty as a whole can be reached without intensive study of the manner in which the problem is affected by law
He said the lack of uniformity in the laws as well as the resulting confusion are attributable to the present lack of sufficient definite knowledge and to the paucity of standards on the subject in medicine and engineering Mr. Meller predicted that these shortcomings will be remedied by diligent study and scien-
tific research now in progress
Chicago Group Discusses
Disability Claim Problems
| C. B Hirons Pacific Mutual Life
read his paper on termination of disa
bilities and claims with particular ref erence to cases requiring rehabilitation of claimants which brought out consid erable discussion Most of it was on his
recommendation that cases involving extended disability where there is a
question as to the extent of disability
be referred to diagnostic clinics where the claimant can be examined by specialists of the highest standing in their re-
ists highest highest standing brought re-
was as to whether the company should submit to the doctors making examinations under these circumstances alt of its
records on the case It was stated that
some claim men feel that the examiner
should go mind but
into the
the matter
consensus
with an open was that the
examiner should be given all possible information as diagnosis in any event is not an exact science and such infor-
mation may often be of great value in
evaluating the importance of certain conditions The question of expense was also brought up but the opinion was expressed that an examination that can
be secured for 5 or 10 is virtually worthless in such cases and it is well
worth while to spend 25 to 50 75 or
even 100 in order to secure real expert opinion
The moral effect on the claimant of
having the examination made by a num ber of specialists of recognized reputation was also emphasized He is much
more likely to accept their verdict than
that of one physician It has been found
that there are decidedly fewer litigated cases when such examinations are made
The question was asked as to whether
steps are taken to assist the claimant in
getting back into some sort of work if the doctors say he is able to do it Mr.
Hirons doctors
said that he usually gets the to talk to the claimant about
that matter and follows their advice
Premium
howing mium
said
Sar
asha
oftemas wer
than
a
proda
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ating
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employees 11
contend contend
the the
cant
article article
for employment in any occupahowing within the purview of this
undergo a medical examina-
fion
Mari provides for examination as
once a month by a competent
and reputable physician of all
shuld
who come into direct contact
employees poisonous agencies or in-
processes New Jersey Ohio Unas sylvania require employers to
amined at least once a month
engaged in any work or
exposing them to lead dust lead
x lead solutions
examination
CONTINUED FROM PAGE 35
claim correspondence brought out the fact that claim men often do not think about the reaction of the men who get the letters that they are writing The address by Dr. Birchard of the Sun Life
of Canada on coronary thrombosis he said brought out the point that the vic-
tims of that disease are not necessarily
totally disabled
In the discussion of releases the point which interested him especially was that the companies are not greatly concerned about the words used in the release but rather about the circumstances under
experi
Others present told of their experi
ence with cases of this sort including one where a dentist who had been dis-
abled for three years and had sold all of his equipment was willing to try to resume practice if the company would continue to pay him for six months in order to finance him while he was getting started again The proposal was | accepted and worked out satisfactorily
Interest in the Federal Study
of Consumer Cooperatives
= Carolina requires examination
or to employment and from time
both during employment
Ae
which it is secured
Mr. Fankhauser
said that if there is a definite under-
standing with the claimant the release
under
<< se
it will kinne
ossibly get undeur ndkerinne ca-
d that the
rebostane
salable He xD
been ab stock_wn-
stock_wn-
the
estion about
the
toward on- rities pointed
our
proved the plan
Kentucky Massachusetts New North Carolina and West Vir-
nzanite Vor nzanite recognition has been given type of medical board comof specially qualified physicians
geons and charged with the duty
sosing occupational discase and
thneg administrative board or
Corsion Corsion with respect thereto
Corsion
nght of a workman who has suf-
Corsion occupational disease due to the
ence of the employer to recover
ferna at ence common law is another
came which the courts hold contrast-
ling
ling
LAWS
In many states there ap-
have been no occasion for the
to rule on the subject In other
where the right existed it has
itself is of little importance He said
he had had several cases in which such
an understanding had been reached under circumstances where it was not
feasible to get a signed release at once and that in none of those cases had the claimant gone back on his agreement
C. O. Pauley Great Northern Life
told of the prominent part that Chicago men had had in the International Asso-
ciation meeting especially in the sym-
posium which Mr. Fankhauser had ar-
ranged and at which he presided and stated that the good impression which he made in that connection was an im-
portant factor in his selection as chairman of the executive committee
|,
rtment official
official * inted out that
tr in every ose
suggestion the mutuals
Man to Je created
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said
se
it
s to have the pan
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to get the plas
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introduced 2, W
all
known C been activacetive or
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genegene e of the
National National ance Agents
Tow e rating.
National
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doverfal
codified by the passage of workcompensation acts In Illinois
Man and Ohio it has been held common law right to recover
for occupational disease never dist North Dakota may also be
dist here
Negligence of Employer
emphasizing that lawyers might Weller as to where a particular Weller to where adds Connecticut Georgia Texas
weld say that recovery is extremely
common law right to recover for
common law right recover for
;
gene the employer probably exists there is some doubt in the fol-
wf states
ware Iowa
Maine
Maine
Maryland
Question of Clinical Examination
Mr. Gordon was asked to comment on his address Referring to his that the claim man build up a file of form letters applicable to different cir-
cumstances he said that while he was in Detroit on his way back from the convention he ran into a system which was a decided improvement over the one he had suggested A general agent there who suggested his own caintaining caintaining a there file of 300 to his own containing paragraphs to be used in claim letters indexed by topics They include opening paragraphis applicable to different
situations and paragraphs explaining the reasons situations and various in claim
which may be involved in a claim case The same man also has a similar file
on agency correspondence including collection inquiries from policyholders etc.
PHILADELPHIA Oct. News-
paper men covering the convention of the National Association of Mutual In-
surance Companies were interested in
any discussion or reference to the action
of the government in having a commission go abroad to study the con-
sumer cooperative buying movement
and its possible application to this
country
There were rumors to the
effect that the government is seeking to apply the principle of cooperative
buying to insurance The general opinion seems to be that the government in making a general study of the cooperatives is seeking any information it can so far as the application of the mutual plan is concerned Some how-
ever were fearful that this cooperative movement carried to extreme would
not merely mean
stock insurance but mutuals
the the
termination of general writing
It seemed hardly likely from the re-
port that the government would favor
mutual over stock insurance
In the
conversations -- --crop insurance the government officials emphasized that the
cooperation of both classes would be asked All hands however were greatly interested in what report this federal commission will make from its study of the cooperative movement on the other side
Eschew Group Coverage
The Commercial Casualty and Metropolitan Casualty bring up an interesting point in connection with professional liability policies in the Question Box