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LIA08126 > ^ ^ ~ > - .. ,..,------------i...,,< .w .,, ... . rK'iiiii'ir m'lniifilili tMfc'a lMnrrW.afii m Wa l Tort, W.T. -- FFP L^r WA W7TACT^frFM----------------------------------------UAt~T?i':trTH~-- <-'~">iC!7fTry Minutes of Seeond Veetlnr DcaUr 4, lswi Th* aaeond raetlnc of *pb*rs of tha Load Industries Association armfaeturJn* rod laad was bald In th* Association offices, Friday, r* carbar 4, 1941, Tb* following n n pri*r.ti pmrr rorrma A. f. Goatr t. r. XeVulitn J. 0. Johnston* Owen ffhob* J. W. CardIn#r P. L. Hallatt t. A. Terson Alex. Stawart T. Tan Loo Tha Faria-PIchar Load Coopany Tha T*cl*-Plch*r Load Company Raacnnd L*ad Products Tne. Totals peSlninf Co. (Tha Cllddan Co.) John T. Leri* ft trot. Co. (latlonal Lead Coepany) Katlrr.sl Lead Coroany T.ticnal Lsd Corpsny Ha ? 1 '-rm 1 Lead Coepny Tha fharaln-Al111aau Coopary F. F. Wonsaar, Saeratary T. L. flerfeld, Assistant Saeratary J. Lelend Fanson Tha aaetlnf ws called to order at 10j4S A.V. by Tr. Fcrsitr. r. Taraon *nwef. r1rd tha ray* of tha first et*nr and r:ere?tad th*t after renrl discussion of tha purposes of the b *-Um, tha aerial.. i. .'-un. to the Brooklyn labcraterlef ef tha rt!*'n*l Lard Corpcny to rarlaw the results of axverlaar.tf 1 worV d~re there t nd st Ssyrlll# snd to discuss slellsr w-r- which ha* tarn dona hy other eospar.le*. Tr. Toreeer reed th* follerlnr letter fron Yr. C. P. Fnrlerer. of th Cheeteel A Plrwent Oorpapy, f Clereland, cnillnf attertl^n to the 17.f. Arry Palrt Specification*! In tier of tha ride-spread 1n*erest In the V.S.Arwy foeclfloatl^na, * wro*e t* the office of the Chief ef Fnrloeer*. r*r r*p*r*'*et, w*-hlnrtor, rac-jeatlne cople* of r> f ttalr receot "fer 1 fl er 1 ~ns . Awnrr tve*e ra# foeclf 1 !'n T-1*00 *Prlaser, Pu*t - TnhlMtlnrj T-KC1 *Pr1er, Ped *a<*, *mn Crldej T-l^f 'Prlwer, Phanolle, Water Tasarsible.t T-1^09 calls for no Fad lead N't calls for fine Yellow Chr~*e, Tror Otlde and fine Oxide, T-l^l "peclflcaMon fete ti> free tha rt-ndird fed Lr-d Prlrer rcrrulatl-n which tha Lead paepla hare al.y reo^mepded, ts you wall know, T-lPOi ha no special plrsent r;u1reo*nt. h>r, orp p), vr inv* ed t*a fpeo*ffa,11' na rey la s-aethlr.e that y--i re.y -> r.f hrlnr to the stertte>n Of CoW^l'toe of Fed L*ed Pr*t*rS,* B f i I ___ > 1. aS.fWB^WWW^WjWWI^pWjiW Prt J1I>I*L.FWI,-U a UfaiUiitpuB.* f ^ u + ^ L itM *****^ M mmm IPWPJRIWIIP--1 LIA08127 ` r. ani^itfr .W-Vr - r hb -M Im4 iMMrMtamt---------------------------------- IlmtHiif fleeend Meet!re yeetlnr beeetaber 4, lMf - P- *r. Stewart skid that sst of the data on specifi er, tlor.s re on fils In the lfbopatory and mentioned the exper!sent*1 wor* of enother laboratory which Is exposing its sseples at th* Seyvllle Karins Basin. Hr. Poreser reed ths following letter fro Ur. Harvey Anderson of the Conservation Ptvlslon of th# War Production board i : Your letter of October f* to Hr. Andre tot th, TVputy Chief, ferroalloys Branch, FTP, nrresttr.e the use of red lead In place of rire ehrooete aa a paint nrloer for hull plates on naval vessels, has been referred to this division for reply. Fe certflnly appreciate yur effort; to cooperate In our conservator. and substitution work, hut the particular substitution that you surrest has already been considered and lnve*tlntd *T the Conservation Plvlslon. The Kavy TVpnrtrent h*s ap-r.pently Investlpated pretty thorourhly the relative rerlts af red lead Versus sine chronate m a r*!rt primer, and up**r to feel that the cine Chrosate 1? super*or. Cor.seclertly, the queatlop of pe^nenf lnr the H*vy to substitute r-d led, rhlch te their Kind Is no* r-v^lre- ?r~:nd f.tt of rttc*) is care critic*!, the rl-c chroeate or the red le*d. The fine French advises us that at the present tine, cine orlde, which Is th* b*;ic rterll for rinc chrooate, is relatively free rod consecuer.* 1 y Is In the s*e rr"*jp classi fication of our 'Xterlsls List* as lead. Since both ceterlais are erually *.v little and lr. view of the H*vy*s feellnr rererd'nr their relative cualltles, we feel that to reouert a substitution of red lead for xlne chroeete would not b* advisable at this tine. 1 V# rist tha this Information answers all of your ouestlens c^ocerninr this substitution, slpce apparently you hsve re-ue-ed slcllar Information from other sources In the far Production Board." & rarer*' discus-ion brnurht forth the opinion that, elthourh t^e X*ivy If at present papal*ted to the use of Sire chromate for rrlrlnr paints, s thorourh atsulv of the coepara- tlve reptti e red end f*n; Chror.it* points woo'd be necessary to provlfe the farts op wnlrh t* brse a carpalrn to hold present business and aileopt to retain what has been lost. Hr. ftewart stated tVt the Baryta decision* are based on th*1r st'id; of r*aul** ined rroa salt *i*r expe*i,r* testf and experience, tut that while ripe Chromat* Is belnt used by the tlary, they have TV-t h*n satisfied.* mill11 .iiyi'iilgP(ii|.LJ,;, U e*. -atHmi- >* s JEST* - ;n Ii i." ft: * F f imm m ,,E?<J K#tln* C&JXT9. .Klnutescr^coiKL Metinr________ ece*ber 4, 1&4" 9 It m decided that before any procrae of prowotion of red load s Instituted, the namifacturers of pod load should determine conclusively, the coaparatlve serlt* of Pod load and pine cto-outc for various typos of exposure*. In the discussion It was suppested that drylivf tlwe and, therefore, vehicles wor# laportcnt factors to bo eonsldorod and that the cost elesent would probably wake It necessary to eonsldor wultl-pirwont or extended paints. Mr. Coott stated that ho and Pr. McMullen understood that the established policy was coeeltlod to work on 100* rod loud pir*nt. It was screed thst the study should consider ell phases of th rroblen and not be confined to 100* red lead pi men tation, and that the faets derived would bo at the disposal of the technics' staffs of all participator eoepar.les; that the best red load paints that could be Bade with various typos of slov and fast drylnr vehicles should bo cowpared with the best sine chmnate paints In any types of vehicles. Then costs and competitive fomuletlona could bo considered on the basis of a definite scientific beckjrround. Mr. Worwser pointed out that it was decided at the first evtlnr to break the prorra* down Into three exposure classifi cations - 1 - atnospherle ~ 1 - salt water ? - fresh water Mr. Tan boo discussed tests st Gibson Island, and Ms observations on the superiority of tn oil vehicle over a resin for both red lead and rlnc ehrostte paints which sro subject t neehar.lcrl abrasion, p.' rtlcultrly In relation to the cre rant Inn of 'corrosion creep.* Mr. fftevsrt nentlonod the hlF he htd received frow fr. Clapp of the foods Hole Latoretories *v> has ben aettne es c*nsultlnr bloloclst In the study of paints exposed to urine life. Mr. Oardloer surrsted that Ineutrl** b* td# Into the various reiulrepenta of users of e#t*l protective pelr.ts, f*vrv rt. railroads, construction Industry, etc. Then the tech- at *-***# HiU-'trr ur* ^pvrr^nnd of h*r#d In- fonaatl-n which would 1* presented to paint user* unlforvlr, thus reduclnr the confusion In their nlnda. Then If l^oe red lead Is definitely tha best, Its use should be recoweer>de3, , ** I ' F? \ I ,i i ? PfgWL'.iWU.iW'l !WP aiiTr. ' P*BR h ipiw pppi LIA08129 JUd i**d iUmtt ~'ii -ytfjpy.jSitot-i^-ti i.^iiiira'^aMinriiiiVu --- " iw~^' KimiUl of Saeond keetlnr fjeeeaber 4, 1<1 4 i but If specific re-uirenenta such as eulek drylnr, ate., aiki alxad plcnents deilrable, Inforsutlon would be available for use In foraulatlnr the beat mint for the particular purpole. It la beat for all manufacturers to have consistent recommendstlena for each particular uae. Vr. Ooetz stated that he believed specifications were swre often than not based on the jee^nsendatlons of eer In whoa the specifying engineer or architect had confidence and that parallel Information fro* various red lead paint manufacturers would be of direct benefit to all. Hr. Hers^n then dlscusaed fieri for the neetlnr in the afternoon at the Brooklyn laboratorlea and the visit to Seyville on Saturday nomine. The weetins was adjourned at lfilS P.I. I Secretary w .ni|i uni I ,UP '