Document xjOnNVnZLjKaqjOoRReV7LDJb

FILE NAME: Wagner (WAG) DATE: 1993 DOC#: WAG018 DOCUMENT DESCRIPTION: Legal - Testimony of John Dement L12 ' _v> .rvr-Vr T -L IN THE SUPE?.T O R COURT C I K S S T A T E O? LANAR IN FO R NEW C A S L E C O U K T Y "5 I RE: "J Tt -B- E-- STOS I IG A T C R GROUP ) ) C .1- 0 . S 0 C-M E- 18 3 6 5 E F O R E : C E E H OU CP. g . T l O. c. (J "U ~ CHARD t i i n S : C. 'N' ' C c - _1.t j . T' -- -- ' r y, ^ -- Mj 10 ~ T Z. 1 . .T '` y JLil --i*'^ COBS CRUNFLAR 11 F cr ns P l a i n r i f f s IS T I GROSSU BITE , ES.UIRE a ur S T 3 C A B R I DGE - Civ*11-- A PORTA, ES ACGUI i c :e fe rid a n t OCE 1 5 GAR Y y;. PL A N , E S QU I P E 16 GOLDFEIN a JOSEPH For Garlee): 17 18 19 T R I A L TESTIM ONY AND PRO CEED IN G S 20 T h u r s d a y , Se p te m b e r 2 3 , 1 S 93 21 22 SU PERIO R COURT COURT REPORTERS 1020 K in g S t r e e t - P u b lic B u ild in g - K iln in t o n , BE. 23 A-4 1 John Denent, P h .D . 1 c r e a t e d b o t h KIOSH, w h i c h is the r e s e a r c h acer.c-vx , c..i 2 0Hi, v.'h i c h is the r e g u l a c i n e n f o r c e r cut agency. o Q t h a t is the r e l a t i o n s h i p b e t v e c n 2:i02" an: L C S K A ? Kov: id M C S H h e l p CS H A in c o r i n g up vi t h 5 r e g ulations to protect people? 6 A Ir. r u r y r a y s . O n e of i t s r, j cr r c l e s :: 7 to do r e s e a r c h c h a t ferr Jt-he- b a s i s fer haa_-;r. a: d o safety standares, and uh t:o c e v e 1 c v*- r\ called Crinar:a "::,,rsrt a: d t h e s e c :*c f e :.v- 10 2 i K c r l c ' s 1 it.arac.ura cn a VCTl s u b j e c u-f uir.e. r a s c a c r 12 i s u a n a a r to develeo h a a11 h : T- <"> C- h- " ,*0 ' 14 Departr.ent c: la se r for s h e d a ' n u ci 15 Q V7ere y ou i n v o l v e d i: :r.a o g~ rt> "I 1 6 te e f e d e r a l gcverr.rent suar.dar: 17 A Yes. 1S Q And could you tell the jury vhen you ver 19 involved in the development of those standards? 20 A tell, I car.e to K I O S H in 1971, and just 21 s h o rtly after its forr.aticn, actually, ana the firs 22 Criteria Document developed by KIOSH after the 23 formation, vas a Criteria Document cn asbestos. A -42 John Der.ent, ? h .D . 1 Let r.e just stop you, Doctor. 2 Are you telling the jury, Doctor, the 3 .on that K I O S H aid, v:es d e v e l o p an action L asbestos? 5 A One cf the first, yes, KIOSH, the 6 predecess or cf KICSH actually had an orgeir g ----- - - 7 p r o g r a r hi c h had b e g u n in uh e c: 1s, bur uha "C 77 7 7.7 O ha d no en f o r c r e n t r a n c a z e , cr r e a l l y reu re C.. 7 7 0 re^ec.rc h r e n de re, and r.cr rue I : a . r 10 ir.c IO 177'c.1 7c ; c r.g c 7 g r.c :7 ^ eifaue charge K --r\ r- ' II v e s to ta he on the i s s u e cf a she sues, ar.d uh 7\ 0 17 7 0 12 in real ly its first C r i t e r i a D o c u r e n t . i. 0 Q K I C S H or CS K A : :<;i.lares h u n d r e d s d - 14 substances, does it ncu? 15 e s s e n t i a l l y , a n y u h .I'.C 7. u.7,G I.3 l'hplaa, 16 yes . 17 Q And, you sa i d the first: C r i t e r i a Docur.cnu 18 prepared by KIOSK dealt fitness asbestos? 1S A Yes, it did. 20 Q VJhat wa s y o u r ro l e in the C r i t e r i a 21 Document? 22 A tell, a d o c u r e n t like that is really pu 23 t o g e t h e r in an a g e n c y like K I O S K by r.ar.y people, a A-43 uohn Denent, P h . D. 5 1 c e t h o d s that would measure fibers in the air rcre 2 d i r e c t l y - c a l l e d a r.err.brane f i l t e r m e tho d. So that n the r.ethod was deve l o p e d and available. Q So, a c t u a l l y r e s s u r i n g the fibers thctr 5 scar up the lungs and cause the cancer rather than 6 the pa rt ic l e s ? 7 9 10 1 1_ 12 13 b e c a u s e in D e c e m b e r l_/f 1971, CSH A u s e d cne G ~r g "C - p r ovis ions c f the a ct c a l l e d the E m e r g e n c y r--r... _ - - 15 S t a n d a r d . ^ ' C t 0 S a p r c v i s ion in t h e A c t L,n C u . C i 16 O S K A sees a very s i g n i f i c a n t h e a l t h h a c a r d it car. 17 b y p a s s the nor m a l p r o c e s s of ru l e railing, w h i c h tales IS a long tire, and put in place on a t e mporary basis, a 19 standard. 20 Q So serious then that they could do it 21 automatically? 22 A Yes; you can b y p a s s the l aw-rule r.ahing 2 3 procedures which requires public hearings and notices A-44 John Decent, PhD i and fed er al r e g i s t e r s and all that t y p e of thing. So t h e y u s e d th at p r o v i s i o n of the A c t in D e c e m b e r cf j '71 to put in place a f i v e - f i b e r s - p e r - c c - s t a n d a r d , / Q 0 ):ay . Now, is rhat the sar.e as thi <- c 5 m i l l i o n pa rt i c le s pe r cub i c f o ot, th i s five fi b e r 6 per cc? ho, it 's not. o Q .111 r ; l"ih . 7ht y -- n a d i f f e r e n t r>c " 0 "r"4 r i ve -- her do i n d u s t r i a l 13 hvcien isws - _ x A n tr -on-%__- cc". I cues s \;e s h o u l d scat e u x L it's fiber s -Jr.z are I c n c e r r h an 5 m i c r e m e m e r e m 1 le ng t h. S O f > Lx ccr.'i n e e d no p ut ail c f u h a t d c Q W e l l , let r.e -- is w h e r e any w a y -- i o mean, are ve deal ing w i t h inch es and meters? Tc 16 t h e r e any m a y you can c o m p a r e \.l"jau th i s m e a n s 17 (indicting) to v;hat this s t a n d a r d (ind ic ati ng ) r.eanr? A Well, there have been v a r i o u s attempts no 19 correlate these two sampling methods together. And 2 0 b a s i c a l l y v:hat v as do n e was go in t o a f a c t o r y run 21 these two samples side by side, and m e a s u r e it by one 22 may and then measure it by the other and see hew they 23 relate to each other. 1 1ii: cciMY o r io u r i upp pv. '.<1 to A-45