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Page 1116 j 1 Q And those products included the asbestos j 2 insulation products which were in competition with the | 3 fiberglass products of Owens-Corning? ! 4 A Right. 1 5 BY MR. McGOWAN: j 6 Q And at this point in time? j 7 A I don't think they were competing head to 8 head. 9 Q Different temperature ranges? S 10 A Right. 11 BY MR. SMITH: 12 Q At this point in time one of those asbestos- 13 containing insulation products was the Kaylo product, | 14 correct? 15 A As far as I know, yes. 16 Q And Owens-Corning had been selling that 17 product as a distributor for Owens-Illinois since i 18 1953? 19 A Yep. 20 BY MR. McGOWAN: j 21 Q Now, had you known since the '40s that these ,