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Page 399 1 Secondly, I had to complete a specialized 2 training program in pathology, approved training 3 program, which I did at the University of Colorado. 4 Third, I had to demonstrate that during that 5 training program I had the appropriate experience, the 6 appropriate exposure to certain diseases and 7 procedures. 8 And then fourth, I had to take an 9 examination which was a three-day examination. 10 Q And were you board certified, was that in 11 1983? Does that sound correct? 12 A Yes, sir. 13 Q That was in both anatomical and clinical 14 pathology? 15 A Yes, sir. 16 Q Doctor, I would like to review for the 17 ladies and gentlemen of the jury your educational 18 background. 19 Where did you go to undergraduate school? 20 A University of Illinois in Urbana, Illinois 21 Q Did you graduate -- was that sometime in