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FILENAME: Flintkote (FLK) DATE: 1970 DOC#: FLK064 DOCUMENT DESCRIPTION: Meeting Minutes - Quebec Asbestos Mining Association /. `'J i i - j - . - n Oj p a i r e e lar. a -, g Ccr;>.r]] H:r r > zr.c Craza f o 1er Pul and J ar e Carsor. A~' r ;T '' : f. ' ?.'i c Parker S r i t sRecri are Seisena Dodds-He tren. B i l l and Mary Crrr.el i n e S e i th C A/ , ' AD ! A ! , J C-i.' -dA.Vl'I LLC C l i n t and Peggy 8u r n e t t OuC and Peo Co lt on Dimitry end Irine Poutiatine Karl and E s t e l l e l i n d s l i Joe end Irene Eby Noel and Olive Hendry Bob Hu t c h e s o n Vvsn and Dolores Couture CARE Y-CAMOI A,1-1 EINES Bob end Audrey M e r r i i l -^Ab end C h a r l o t t e 8a g e n s t o s e f~LINTKOTE MINE? Monte and C e c i l i a C a r p e n t e r Arthur and Regine Hooker LAKE ASBESTOS Ralph and Wary Lou Hennebech Michael and I s a b e l l e Messel Lionel and fra n o ise Piuze R o l l i e and L i e t t e Cagncr. NATIONAL ASBESTOS , I.O .E .H . 0, A.M.A. J . E . and E lizab eth Desdarais Bob and ("aroarot Coleman ( D r .) George and E l l i e right Ivan and Carmen Sa bo uri n Ceorge Robinson Paul and Madeleine E i l t e a u March 19-22, 1970. I I I I I I I I1 1 i 1 I >I I {1 1 Jt I /T K Ji 1 1 ft ft c <, -< A f-': i_CC or t h ~ s p : : i a '- r . r c r i r r c ' oinPrr if -1 r.\>-:'-.c Ae? : : u 7 i c \ ic ` ~ : i l 9: ~ r. *I Tc i . K 7 c. j_ , -`'ci. Pcc-.: n <" fRIOAV, PARC* 19 70 Present : / f t e s a rs . E . J . pier r i 11 f-.C. Carpenter R . S . Coleman K. V . Linde 11 r,.J. Kissel W.W. Ougntred f , P. Smith __ A.H. Bagenstose C.B. Burnett I . C . Campbell K.P. Cars:-. D, T. Colton Y. Couture J .E . Oasharais * * R. Doods-Hebron J . 0. Eby 1. H. f o s t e r R.P. Cagnon N.W. Hendry R . L . Hennebach A . R. Hooker J . R . f i . Hutchescr. I . C . Piuze 0, Poutiatine W.J.W. Smith G . f c. H e i g h t (Dr`. ) George Robinson Ivan Sabourin Paul-A; filteau f ir . P..J. f e r r i l i , P r e s i d e n t , . was i n the c h a i r . P i n u t e s o f the meeti n g o f f a b r u a r / 12, 1970 c are approved as s u b r i t t e d t o D i r e c t o r s . TECHNICAL COffriTTi> The Chairman reviewed the work o f the s u b - c o m n i t t e e s as f o l i o t e s : T i l t r a t i o n of f is b e st o s - C e n o n t - S i1ice ftiyes" - A n - ap p ar a tu s manufactured by B a i l e y K e t e r Company c a l l e d an automatic f i b r e c o n t r o l l e r was found to be not s u i t a b l e fo r lab o ra to ry use as p r e s e n t l y d e s i g n e d . .../ 2 g-r.n. IIf c c-rM - 2. Thr i. ` f r r i to cr- i ac: t i d e s n t r. f As t es t u w i l l be rroe to t e r r e : able f : \ t r a t i o n ms az v \ I . ! . r ' ? r - i ".* hr d r jb 1i s " : 0 s ::'. Cc.-ir.t P ug az i nt was unsuc ce s s f u i . An e f f o r t no u: t*- the au t f or f u r t h e r l e a d s nr. ' d i re aroeratus . / T r a n s l a t i o n o r the S j r ~;r'r c f T es t ; - T h i s t r a n s l a t i o n has cons thrcoQh ten r e d r a f t s anc f or the a p pr o va l o f the D i r e c t o r s as moved end seconded. / CARRIED. F. S. U. Procedure - The r e d r a f t of t h i s . procedure to r a k e i t s u i t a b l e f or the A . S . T . E . has been completed, "^rawing:- are b ei ng r e v i s e d and a test s e r i e s is being conducted to determine whether options should be p r o v i d e d f o r the use of l a r g e r p e r f o r a t i o n s i n the g r i d on t h e S. 0. P. D i s i n t e g r a t o r fo r long group 5 f i b r e s . Work o f o t h e r s u b - c o c m i t t e e s was r e p o r t e d os p r o g r e s s i p g i n e s a t i s factory manner. UKIT ORE CLASSIFICATION1 AKO GRADING CQEflTTCE ' Random C . 5 . T es ts o f P ro d uc ti on - The the summary o f a l l Q. 5. t e s t s o f 196S I n s p e c t o r , was i s s u e d to a l l C. A. ffl .A. 1969 composite r e p o r t , g i v i n g production s e s p lin g by the f i b r e companies on February 5th. Fi br e Lenoth and Diameter P r o j e c t - The measuring o f the l e n g t h and d i a me t e r o f t he 4, 5 ana 6-group f i b r e s o f the 1968 Exchange Samples has been completed and measurements p u t ~ i n t a the computer. The r e s u l t s w i l l be analyzed i n A p r i l , as w e ll as the c o r r e l a t i o n ( c r l a c k v f the "same) between l e n g t h - d i a m e t e r and o t h e r common t e s t s s uch as Q . S . , R o ta p , f lc Ne tt , and S u r f a c e Ar e a . c c I I 1 ' 3. The study o f the e : f e c t o f d i s p e r s i o n time on l e . n g t h - d i a c e t s r i s ir, r r r. r r c r.: . The Sherbrooke Lab. D i r e c t o r w i l l a tt e nd a - d a y tion Exchange at Laurenticn University f ro' June / I I D J S T I AL L AT1Qf,' S CC*-M T TEC Research Jnfo.-ra22 to J j n ; 2. i ni no Tund - An "ad hoc" committee h as- be en s e t up u n d er t he A dv i sory Committee tc the Department of Labour and t o - d a t e t h r e e meetings have been h el d .-here the p r o v i s i o n s i n c l u d e d i n the f e d e r a l and p r o v i n c i a l l e g i s l a t i o n s for the r e c l a s s i f i c a t i o n and re-employment of employees were s t u d i e d . I t i s the i n d e n t i o n o f the e m p l o y e r r e p r e s e n t a t i v e s to r e a ffir m that severance pay and o th er in d em n ities are m a t t e r s to be n e g o t i a t e d a t i n d i v i d u a l l e v e l , i n t h e same way, as supplementary unemployment b e n efits ( S . U . 8. ) . Workmen's C c r o e n s a t . j o n Act - A f i r s t document on th.-e Workmen's Com p e n s a t i o n Act tc be p r e s e n t e d to the Prime M i n i s t e r , H o n o r a b l e J . J . B e r t r a n d , had j u s t been completed and a l e t t e r f or w a rd e d to the P re mier a s k i n g f o r an i n t e r v i e w , when the a p p o i nt m en t o f t h e former M i n i s t e r o f L a b o u r , h r. r . Be ll ema re , as P r e s i d e n t o f t h e Workmen's Compensati on Ec ar d was r e v e a l e d with the announcement o f P r o v i n c i a l e l e c t i o n s on A p r i l 2S n e x t . Another approach to b r i n g a b o u t improve ments to the a c t w i l l have to be s t u d i e d . B i l l 9 - A r t . AS - An Order i n C o un ci l was p u b l i s h e d i n the>March 7, 1970 i s s u e o f the Quebec O f f i c i a l Gaze tte p r o m u l g a t i n g the gen era l r e g u l a t i o n c o n c e r n in g advance notice o f ' c o l l e c t i v e , d i s m i s s a l s as per--a r t . A5 u f S i l l AS. The r e g u l a t i o n does not a p p l y , h o w e v e r , to any employer who d i s m i s s e s employees f o r an 1n d e f i n i te p e r i o d o f time o f less than six (6 ) months' duration. . . ./4 ,* * ` * V iI 1 c c I I I a a a i a According- to a r e c e ! d e c i s i o n by the Ocpar tec .it of c a s f c5 the l a v s ' * ef s m e 15C employees at the CIL i t v.. ! o'- - t - i j* ; t rcc i l a t i c . - . c- n; t a c r l y ' s ceutcc i UC . - ; lac-cur i n th Srownburg p la n t , u Is* ; tempore k: T'-: tn = v trial c: ^?5 : r. i. r o c r i - The- r i n e r t r e c e n t l y i s s u e : i n 1969 is- lower thernr. i{ V. i n d u s t r i a l ses amounting t c soc.3 $ 1 * 5 , 0 0 0 . l e s s . frequency and s e v e r i t y time i n j u r i e s are net q u i t e as good i n 1959 as i n 196c. di i a r of lost In r ep l y to a q u e s t i o n i t as p o i n t e d ou t . that- i n d u s t r i a l d i s e a s e compensation cla..-.< for dust exposure are charged to la s t employer and, as a dvi sed fcy f . r . J . Dl ace of W . C . B . , there i s nr t i r e l i m i t . ' Should the Company cease to e x i s t , then such c l a i e s , i f e c c e p t e d , would be charged to the g e n e r a l a c c i d e n t f und. TRftfTIC Cnr.hrTTt: The Chairman o f 1. R ail Rates - a l l r a t e s by the C ocmi tte e r e p o rt e d on the f o l l o w i n g i t e m s : U . S . A . - Canada - American r a i l r o a d s i n c r e a s e d s i- s rpe r ce nt as November I S , 1969. , 2. Truck Rates - U .S .A . - Canada - flotor c a rr ie r s a l s o increased t h e i r r a t e s by si p e r c e n t e f f e c t i v e f ebr uer y 2, 1970. : 3. Ocean Rates - The i n c r e a s i n g c o s t of l o a d i n g i n t h e S t . L a u r e n c e ports i s forcing the l in e s to 'c o n ta in e r operation. Containers have cade p ro g re ss i n 1969 and i t i s expected t h a t 1970 t i l l b r i n g a d d i t i o n a l c ont einer s e r v i c e s to the United Kingdom and C o n ti n e n t a l Curope, -.Similer services are contemplated to A u s tr a lia , Spanish A t l a n t i c and the flediterranean with Japan being a p o s s i b i l i t y for 1970. In searching for a proper s e r v ic e t o - Continental Europe, serving the Bordeaux - Hamburg Range - i t was found t h a t th e o n l y s t eam ship coepany o f f e r i n g th i s s e r v ic e as the A r c tic Line (Russian f l a g ) . Since producers were not prepared to ship t h e i r e n t i r e tonnage i n c o n t a i n e r s , a b r e a k - b u l k s e r v i c e was n e c e s s a r y . I t i s i n t e r e s t i n g to note t h a t f o u r l a r g e European u s e r a are now a c c e p t i n g th e ir entire tonnage in containers. .../ 4 ( a ) I I I a c a A ia' ' I . T V'-!' a a 1 ;-ri -A : ^ --T . ( c t :r*p'" 00. 4. Ur,i tC'C i'j nodo- 1953 r a t e s have b - : : -' extended t i l ] J . .n c 30, 1970 r r-' M i C;. t i c C L'..-::.- ; c : . Tt-.c ::;-t-;t r e c D ^ f t : ; t : r ' i on l abour arc p er t f a c i l i t i e s i r. E n c i a : . . Ir j r - A :: i c?Oacacisr 31, t a s a 1. . letc, to c >t e r , ; the ] ; 6. C c st e rn C? nas; /fius t ra 1i a - leu Z e a l a - c - D i s p a r i t y of" r a t e s between Western Canaca and E a st e rn Canada was d i s c u s s e d wi th the Confer ence and a r e p l y i s e xp ec te d t h i s week. The l i n e s a r e i n s i s t i n g on u n i t i z e d shipments and o f f e r i n g as much as 10a r e d u c t i o n f o r p a l l e t i z e : care:. 7. B a l t i c - Negotiations with this Conference have been f i n a l i z e d . Agreed r a t e s f o r Croup 3, 4, 5 f i b r e , $ 2 7 . 00/tor., and f o r Croup 6 and 7, $25.00/ton. LEGISLATION A/.'O TAXATION COfihITTCC In r e c e n t months, r e p o r t e d the Chairman, a number o f s e s s i o n s o f the J o i n t QJWA and QAKA Tax Committee ere devoted to t h e S h i t e Paper proposals as well as d iscussion meetings with Honorable P . C . A l l a r d , and h i s s e n i o r ' o f f i c e r s , p rio r to his meeting with the o th e r P r o - v i n c i a l /fines M i n i s t e r s on tine White Paper p r o p o s a l s i n an a t t e m p t to arrive at a consolidated front. The recommendations o f the J o i n t Tax Committee t o g e t h e r w i t h sup plementary e x p l a n a t i o n s were submitted on February t h e 5 t h , i n a b r i e f to- the P r o v i n c i a l M i n i s t e r s of N a t u r a l R es ou r ce s and F i na n c e for th e ir use in th e ir discussions with the Federal M in is te r of F i- nanee. J-v L a t e l y , there has been growing and widespread o b j e c t i o n s to the Ul ii te Paper p r o p o s a l s , and i t i s doubtful t h a t a g e n er a l r e f or m o f F e de ra l T a x a t i o n p o l i c i e s can be enacted i n t o l e g i s l a t i o n by the end o f 1970, as o r i g i n a l l y planned by the M ini st er o f F i n a n c e . . . . /5 jS#Vv.* i i n --  I < i !i t i i .t Ji . < 1 ,| .1j 4 .( .V< V.*.' -V . t i ! 4i ! i 4 ii i 4. i 4. c c Ji r I ? 7,T'-~1 >sd~ra,l - ]n his recent budrrt speech, the M in is te r C' ' ' - - ` ` i.r v . and t : . ' ` ; . " t c. . c* r. h bu *.* \ . ; ,, : ; ,:i:' cz: i r c r c : i ; c r ; t r o i s . Tne e n t i c e occur.e-t i s d ev o te e t o the pc; ; es i 11on t.n; t tn; Canadien econr.--. r.os t fee purged c f e x c e s s i v e i r.f i 2 t i c ne r ) p re s en c e; t h i s y ; ; : . The- F i n i s t e r i n d i c a t e d t h a t he me, bci r - i n another budget i n the F e l l , Th,= government ants to see how the economy devel ops t h i s y e a r and i s w a i t i n g to see the e f f e c t s of the P r i c e s and Incomes Commission 1s campaign.for voluntary restraints. / Parl iame nt proposes tc extend f o r three years the law by e h ic h i n d u s t r i e s are encouraged to i n v e s t in a n t i - p o l l u t i o n s t r u c t u r e s or equipment by means o f a c c e l e r a t e d c a p i t a l a l l o w an c es under t h e i n core tax a c t. A s p e cial e llo ra n c e , sim ilar to that granted for water p o llu tio n . co n tr o l equipment, ' I s to apply to s tr u c t u r e s and equipment a c qu ir e d a f t e r March 12, 1970 p r i m a r i l y f o r the purpose o f p r e v e n t i n g or r e ducing a ir p ollution . . , .. ... _ , ... The P r o v i n c i a l Covernoent pl ans to e s t a b l i s h a m e d i c a r e p l a n f o r Quebec by J u l y 1 , 197C, C o nt r i bu.tions. to f i n a n c e the p l a n would be O . S * o f incoma with a maximum o f $125.00 per t a x payer and O.B% o f t o t a l p a y r o l l f o r companies and b u sin es s. However, i t i s d o u b t f u l t h a t su ch a p la n can be put i n t o o p e r a t i o n by .Xviy 1 , 1970. ~P~UBLIC RELATIONS CQnmiTTrr .-s y v..: . . ..................._ . .. *-*r \ Tha C h a i r s a n r evi ewed the r e p o r t submit ted by t he D i r e c t o r o f I n f o r mation S e r v i c e s and i n s i s t e d p a r t i c u l a r l y on the g e n e r a l l y f a v o r a b l e press reports following the recent sto rie s emanating from or about the i n d u s t r y . E xc ept i n one ca se - The C a z e t t e - whose a t t i t u d e was . . ./ s' 6. b l a " ' r c* a* f m p t *- i n c r e a s e read? r s h i p c: . ? , * g. ~ t'.c i n c . : ' . : , t a w i r a s the i r - r c >.-cr e- ; c f t r c s * v i:;r,r ir .tc ! : : " i l tiors cf pecplr in plan', through controversial ihr- con t t _ - i i or- c eccr.zric unll-being and ccm-unities. As r e g a r c s the proposed a s b e s t o s w a l l - c h a r t , the chairman e x p l a i n e d t h a t i t would be mere p r a c t i c a l tc use photos and copy o f C anadi an r e l e v a n c e . I t was agreed by the D i r e c t o r s t h a t f i r r . q u o t a t i o n s be requested for a qu ertity of 2,CCC p o sters. E R C l f ff~MA- _ Cq.VTFuL CC~rrITTCC The s p e c i f i c areas of a c t i v i t y s in c e the S p e c i e l meeting of October 8th have been as follows: Su b- Co r. -j t t e r on Dosior - There have been t hr ee m e e t i n g s o f t h i s Committee and e very p o s i t i v e and f r u i t f u l i n t e r c h a n g e of t e c h n i c a l know-hot on environmental c o n t r o l measures has taken p l a c e . These m eet in gs are being held et the member-companies on a r o t a t i o n a l b a s i s f o l l o w e d by a v i s i t to some s p e c i f i c a re a o f i n t e r e s t to the Committee Dryer S t a c k Dust C o n t r o l - Through the c o - o p e r a t i o n o f the membercompanies, the approval of funds and the t e c h n ic a l knowledge of the Dust C o n t r o l E n g i n e e r , a common measuring t e c h n iq u e i l l soon be i n practice across the industry. T e i l i n o s P i l e S t a b i l i z a t i o n - The f i r s t s e t o f e x p e ri m e nt s has J u s t been c o m p l e t e d . The key p o i n t to note i s t h a t i n two months we have t a k e n the p l a n t s through an e n t i r e y e a r ' s c y c l e o f ' g r o a t h . There rare s c s o 324 t e s t p l a n t i n g s of 21 t y p e , c f g r a s s e s . Preliminary conclusions: One type o f rye g r a s s i s the b e s t c a n d i d a t e . Ge rmi na ti on and growth on t a i l i n g s a l o n e was extremely slow and v i r t u a l l y i m p r a c t i c a l . /V I : I I I I 1 In I c c ' 7. The e d d i t i o n of es l i t t l e es 1 s" o f good s o i l on t : * c ' t a i l i n o s r ~ - ; er. es* - - i s n i r n d i f f e r e n c e . TK;. n e t evpe r i r v-ntc w i l l deal only n,ith the c o r e s u c c e s s f u l c anC - 03 t S . 1` s ! e * i n - The m i n i s t e r o f Health enc S o c i a l t . ' c l f z r e , Honorable J . P . C l o u t i e r , had given notice to the Coverneient, through formal l i s t i n g on the agenda of the National Assembly, t h a t an A i r P o l l u t i o n Act mould be b rought down i n the c ou rs e f o f t h e r e c e n t l y t e r m i n a t e d s e s s i o n . t'ith the announcement of P r o v i n c i a l e l e c t i o n s , a l l p r o j e c t s ' on the agenda v er s a u t o m a t i c a l l y suspended. > NCI BUS INCSS i C IF P r e s i d e n t - e l e c t - C.U.'. Smi th, u.'ho_had to r e s i g n as p r e s i d e n t e l e c t 1570 o f the I n s t i t u t e , i n d i c a t e d to the P r e s i d e n t o f our As s o c i a t i o n t h a t the n e x t p r e s i d e n t - e l e c t o f t h e I n s t i t u t e Mas a U n l r v e r s i t y P r o f e s s o r and that his t r a v e l l i n g expenses (J3',G00. ) could not be p a i d by h i a empl oyer . As a r e s u l t , r e q u e s t s f o r f i n a n c i a l s u p p o r t a r e b ei ng made to v a r i o u s mi ni ng c ompa ni es and a s s o c i a t i o n s . . ' _____ A motion to the e f f e c t that the A ssociation c o n tr ib u t e J2SQ.00 as CARRIEu. In p r i n c i p l e , i t s h o u l d be understood t h a t the P r e s i d e n t o f the I n s t i t u t e sho ul d be a mining man a c t i v e i n the I n d u s t r y . *0 COEnNTS ON CCNCRAl 8 U5I N C 55 CONDITIONS The e s b e s t o s f i b r e b u s i n e s s , has been f a i r l y ^ g o o d . d u r i n g ^ h e - T I r s t ^ . ^ ^ , - ^ Q u a r t e r o f 1970. The o u t l o o k f or the y ea r i n d i c a t e s an i n c r e a s e i n s a l e s o f 1 to 2 %. , , ir P re d ic tio n s a9 regards sales of asbestos products and b u ild in g mate r i a l s a r e not o p t i m is t i c ,' lower volumes a re e x p e c te d as a r e s u l t o f d e c lin e i n housing s t a r t s for the t o t e l year o f 1970. f o r e c a s t drop I1 i I 1 I 1 Ii a li i ii a it '} s * c c i r nr re c i d? t i . ' b u i l r : -g - i-% a , as comparer u; t> 1959. .- re d* r: ; ;I c. t r u c t i . - - A ir p o l l u t i C ' r i s a very popular e x p r e s s i o n tness ays. bo'. . i n t ' . S . A . arc Canada. Govern-ent people ere indicting charges ( su its ) egeinst c e r t a i n companies for eir cent amination within or i n the environment of plants. The o u t l o o k as t c the l abour demand p a t t e r n s i n the U . S . A . d u r in g the p re s e n t year p o i n t s to an i n c r e a s e i n t a oe s o f some 1Of.. In o r de r to compensate f o r the r e s u l t a n t h i ghe r c o s t s , management must r e s o r t to improved p ro du c tiv ity and e f f i c i e n c y at a l l l e v e l s . AOJOURvrr >:T There being no f u r t h e r b u s i n e s s , the meeting vas a d j o u r n e d t i l l S a t u r d a y i ?>5rc.h 21,,--1970. * Paul-A. filte a u , General Wanager 4 Secretary. . . . / S a t u r d a y , flarch 21, 1970. .. .^?***>.Uni . *. . ,, * s . 'x uvr-** c c I I / I i1 JI If i .; i }i I r ' . ~r : r ~ T * ? " C ? t ' r.-PTi*.: c. r:-; #C: i c 7 : . at t k : d : : - d : k r l t o -.- k c t f l <X?`-T. P'J SAT U=D' r, PARTH ? 1, 197C Or. Gee. V. Wright j o i n e d ror this, me et i ng the p a r t i c i p a n t s i r. the .Testing of the previous day. i The P r e s i d e n t c a l l e d on Karl V. L i n d e l l to report on t h e r e c e n t a c t i v i t i e s of the Occupati onal end Envi rcnmental H e a l t h Committee. Ac P r e s i d e n t o f the I . O . L . H . , P.r. L i n d e l l attended l a s t November a meeti ng h e l d i n ,Lo ndo n, England, sponsored by T u m o r and Newell Company. There *e*e people i n s i d e the i r o n c u r t a i n i n a t t e n d a n c e . Or. V. J . Smi ther reviewed the medi cal background o f t h e problem ' o f a s b e s t o s and h e a l t h . Nothing new was- r e p o r t e d . The P . R . a s p e c t i n U . K . i s handled by the Asbestos I n f o r m a t i o n C ommi ttee. ffir. L i n d e l l a l s o pa- ed a v i s i t to Dr. J . C . Vagner i n C a r d i f f , Wales, U . K . , two months ago to l e a rn the l a t e s t i n f o r m a t i o n i n t h e f i e l d o f t i s s u e r es p on s e. A number of Canadi an doc tor s i l l be p r e s e n t a t the A p r i l symposium on t i s s u e r e s p o n s e , among whom w i l l be Dr. Roland Cuy and Dr. Fernand C r e g o i r e l .1 I t s h o u l d be mentioned that i n a r e c e n t paper Dr. T i m b r e l l t h a t the f a l l i n g speed o f f i b e r i n the human l u n g s d e p e n d s i t s diameter than its length. stated ore on .../ 2 c C V -> >.; 2. Si. ;M. p o i n t , r.; . L i n d - i l c d l c i o.~ Dr. U r i y h t . Or. C. . f.- ac -t Thi P r a s io c n t c f tns Scier. ti f i c -Comi i t e e pre sen ted a review of tne A c b i o i o i z-.d heal tn dr -1 o ; r e n t s i n reTent years'. lr. 195, t he Q . A . f f . A . e s t a b l i s h e d the I . O . C . H . i n response to the r e- op eni ny c f an c l d problem, "pulmonary f i b r o s i s " , which was c o n s i d e r e d to be c l o s e o . This was e r o c s r q u a b l e i n i t i a t i v e which h e l p ed i n a v o i d i n g a problem c f g r e a t e r wao ni tu de . One remembers t h a t in th? lrte. 19^0's the question of bronchogenic cancer had been r a is e d . A stud)- conducted by Dr. Eraun end Truan p o i n t e d out t h a t t h e i n c i dence o f cancer i n the Quebec A s b e s t o s - K i n e . w o r k e r s was not h i g h e r than in surrounding p o p u l a t i o n s . These r e s u l t s , however, were not accepted generally. I I n 1529, ths mesot hel ioma q u e s t i o n was brought to t he f o r e i n South I A f r i c a . This new type o f mali gnancy was later emphasized a t the kew York Academy o f S c i e n c e Conference h e l d i n 1964. S h o r t l y a f t e r w a r d s , t f o l l o w i n g the f i r s t Ant igua C onf er enc e h e l d i n 1 96 5, the l . Q . E . H . W3S o r g a ni z e d i n the P a l l o f ' 66. Dr. Wright i n d i c a t e d t h a t he f e l t hoqor ed to be t he Chairman o f the S c i e n t i f i c ; C o m m i t t e e o f I . O . C . H . and was p l e a s e d as such to s e rv e the Q . A . M . A . Two i m po r t a n t f u n c t i o n s o f s a i d S c i e n t i f i c Committee c o n s i s t i n e v a lu a t in g proposed s t u d i e s and keep i n g the Q . A . R . A . i nformed as to .hat was go ing on i n the f i e l d o f he alth i n c o n n e c ti o n with a s b e s t o s . The S c i e n t i f i c Committee has a c cepted the ro le "'o f t h i n k in g through what should be done i n the f u t u r e . V "This b r i n g s me, s a i d D r. W ri gh t, to a s k from you t od ay whera does the Q . A . f . A . and S c i e n t i f i c Committee wish to go fre.m now on. Can we have 'any guidance from you i n l t h a t - c o n n e c t . How are the workers and the p u b l i c p r o t e c t e d ? The g o v e r n m e n t s ! work I men's c o mpe ns at ion s e r v i c e s were meant to take c a r e o f c e r t a i n i n j u r i e s and d i s e a s e s ; however, the m a tt e r was not so s i m p l e i n t h e c a s e o f a s b e s t o s i s . flore and more i n f o r m a t i o n i s s t i l l needed t o J u s t l y ad m i n i s t e r a s a t i s f a c t o r y workmen's compensation program. .../3 I I c c 3. I The second q u e s t i o n has tc dc wi th the r i n a g e . - m t o f p e c p l e . lehat II vxe.ss-sv'-- dc you do, for i n s t a n c e , with an i n d i v i d u e l who ahews an e a r l y r ea ct i c r tr a sh es no i r t v 1 "> C: u . t 1' ; . the', hoc e-v _-nh y ears of e x p o s u r e , s l t h a t y_u cu.-. t i si o ct e r e - e c t i v a t i c n ? I s there a n y t h i n g to be g a i n e d by r e- ev i n h i r from e x p o s u r e ? Thi s cannot be ansterec-asyet. I The l u n g c a n c e r p r c f c l e - , however, can b s ' a p p r o a c h e d ir. a r a t h e r ho pe f u l sr.y. A q u e c t i c n : I s there a. p r e c u r s o r ? Not a l l wo u l d agree t h a t I l ung c a n c e r s a rc h a rv e st e d in p eo p le h a y i n g some m e t a p l a s i a (abnormal l o o k i n g and b e h a v i n g c e l l s ) in f a c t the i n c i d e n c e seems to be f a r h ig h e r . In a high risk industry - v . g . uranium or asbestos i n s u l a t i o n *' I "-workers - i t i s r e a s o n a b l e to b e l i e v e , t h e t removing a man wi th meta- ... . . . ... . *y p l a s i a w i l l reduce the incidence of lupg cancer. I % * A mechanism ( d e v i c e ) has appeared which e l e c t r o n i c a l l y w i l l scan the soutum s ampl es ( s l i d e s ) of man and w i l l t e l l i f t h e r e are abnormal c e i l s . Largs sca le studies ere therefore p o s s ib le . I t is reasonable to b e l i e v e t h a t i f you- can p i c k men with m e t e p l a s i a you can a l t e r t h e i r l i f e . Such may be a c o n c e i v a b l e answer. The S c i e n t i f i c Committee has a l s o s e t f o r t h avenues o f - m a j o r s t u d i e s . ' One o f the major t h i n g s to be done i s to e s t a b l i s h t h r e s h o l d l i m i t v a l u e s ( T . L . V . ) or maximum a l l o w a b l e c o n c e n t r a t i o n ( 1T . A . C . ) o f d u s t i n the a i r w i t h o u t r i s k to a man f o r h i s p r o j e c t e d l i f e t ime. I t i s worth n o t i n g t h a t r e s u . t s of Dr. McDonald's study show f a r l e s s e v i d e n ce o f a c a n c e r p'roblem i n the a s b e s t o s mine w o r ke r s . On the o t h e r hand, the s t u d i e s of Dr. S e l i k o f f show t h a t 50% o f i n s u l a t i o n ' w o r k e r s are dying a t a younger age than the g e n e r a l p o p u l a t i o n . In view of t h i s , s h o u l d we have more than''one>'T.`,Lsl V r ? K e f soma ^ r e c e n t veiopments in th is regard. Ir: B r i t a i n , a T . L . V . o f toe (2) ' . p . c . c . u/i ll be made e f f e c t i v e n e x t *a y . Developments in th is f i e l d in H o lla n d and Belgium are very skimi s h. T ra n ce i s j u s t d i s c o v e r i n g some i n c i d e n c e o f c a n c e r r e s u l t i n g ... A ( i.. J ' r r - r e x p i r e to a s b e s t o s . Ir. the U . S . A . , ' t h c Workmen ' C c rp c n ? . t i o n System works on a State-wide b a s i s , but a . c o n t r a c t o r d e a l i n g with the f e d e r a l Government cornss under the F e d e r a l - l a w . Late- ; * `- t i l n : r p SB: enact c-f , *.<- rsd2r ar~Coa`I -r .i S^f r t > c t c f I H-f . In one blow, the standard w33-,brouc^t.r ddun^f ^on^SG. e g . to 2 rtg. in underground c c c i i r i n r :, for the f i r s t t i r e the c o a l s-orksrr arr r e c e i v i n g r r r k n s n ' s compensation from the f e d e r a l Cove r n.'er-. t . There is no doubt th at o t h e r groups c f i n d u s t r i a l workers w i l l ask Ter the s i r p r i v i l e g e s . The S t a t e s are s l a t e d to take over i n t h r e e y e a r s ci tr. the same s t a n d a r d s . This new a c t al so g i v e s the workers the r i g h t to ask f o r a t r a n s f e r f re e one job to a n o t he r . A mechanism i s p la n n e d so that the Bureau of Saf et y end Health would s e t s t a n d a r d s p r c l i n i - 'hary to any l e g i s l a t i o n under the Walsh-Healey a c t . Up t i l l r e c e n t l y , noi se was number 1 and a s b e s t o s number 7 i n the p r i o r i t y l i s t . At t h i s moment, a sb es t os i s number!- C r i t e r i a have been recommended as well as an i n t e r i m St andard f o r t he p r e v e n t i o n o f a s b e s t o s i s under the U.S. Department o f H e a lt h , Ed u ca tio n and Welfare. (Thi s i s a r e s p o n s i b i l i t y of Dr. S t o c k i n g s r ) . The interim St andard has bsen s a t at 12 f . p . c . c . A new ACCIH S t a n d a r d b e i n g pre s e n t l y d r a f t e d w i l l be 5 f . p . c . c . At a second m e e t i n g on t h e s u b j e c t held a few weeks a o o , . o b j e c t i o n s . we re -. rai se d to 5 f . p . c . c . , some sayi ng i t s ho u ld be 2 and e v e n t u a l l y 1 i n 1972. At t h i s moment, the major reason f o r not having standards c f 2 and 1 f . p . c . c . i s the l . G . E. H. I n d u s t r y as a chole i s d es i r o u s to do what i s n e c e s s a r y , but h a st e I s not d e s i r a b l e . Wore i n f o r m a t i o n i s ne ed ed to s e t s u c h St anda rds a t a , r e a s o n a b l e l e v e l . Ho doubt s e p e r a t e l e v e l s s h o u l d be set f or v a rious groups, but t h i s is not p r a c t i c a l . There a re s t i l l very important mysteries, esp ecially as to c o -c a r c in o g e n s . Dust c o n t r o l needs to be f u r t h e r i n v e s t i g a t e d , y I t i-> g e n . . y ag re ed t h a t d u s t samples are l a b o r i o u s to c o u n t . The new e l e c t r o n i c dev ice mentioned prev ious ly (see p . 3 , p a r a . 3) can s c a n dust sample s lid e s or c e l l s at a rate of 5,000 per minute. This u n it has a greet p o t e n t i a l ; f o r the f i r s t time i t is p o s s i b l e to m o n i to r e f f e c t i v e l y an environment. . / ........... . ../ 5 . t ` * I c c nr-*-1~: I' *Vi' t 5. An other p r o t i e " 'that he; dcvs 1coc d . c: 'the y e a r r i s the t i o n r i err r-OTO' i rr re; i tre : . ' i t r h o i r ? r, . _, a r t p o s s i b l y me ani ng le ss re terns of e o b s s t o s i s , but elec net of 1 c--.orr. This is project Ant the t a t e . t an i rrnn r t a r t on t h i s p r o t i r r f i b r e : -. - t a * i "ents or c o - c a r . : ncgcr.a ? crrsioe Recently o research / .as s ubmit ted tc the S c i e n t i f i c Committee I but not a c cep te d, because the r e s u l t s could net g iv e the answer. In the U. S. A . , there e x i s t s a f c &r a 1 Clean Ai r A c t , A s t a n d a r d can be s e t f or a ny thi ng in the a i r . There i s s t i l l e l a c k o f i n I,1 ISiafcl9WRV<-A>4. f or ma t io n c oncer ni ng the q u e s t i o n posed by f e r r u g i n o u s b o d i e s as p o s s i b l e evidence of g e n e r a l i z e d exp 'sure to a s b e s t o s . L a t e l y , the a S c i e n t i f i c Committee turned do wn a r es e a r c h p r o p o s a l on t h i s sub j e c t , because i t was not p r o p e r l y des igned and too e x p e n s i v e . The p o s s i b i l i t y of c o nd u c t i n g a p i l o t p r o j e c t s h o u l d be i n v e s t i gated. a Ir. c l o s i n g , Dr. Wright s t a t e d t h a t : "The S c i e n t i f i c Committee has s t r o n g l y recommended a c o n t i n u a t i o n study to Or. McDonal d's s u r v e y . : 11 T hi s i l l permit a much broader base so as t o ' a v o i d a; d e ba t e between two s i d e s . The study i n New Or leans i s p r o g r e s s i n g very w e l l . How e v e r , as a Committee we s u r e l y do not t h i n k t h a t 'we have a l l the i n f o rm a ti o n needed. We heps t h a t G . A . i f . A . i s s t i l l i n t e r e s t e d and i t II 1 s ho ul d be added t h a t the members c r the Committee g i v e a l o t o f time and e f f o r t to t h# i s work". t At t h i s p o i n t , e few q u e s t i o n s were ask ed. i`s- ; Question - Is the incidence c f mesothelioma in U-J'V-and the li.S .A . the same? Answer - T hi s i s not p r e s e n t l y b eing pursued i n U . S . A . ,/6 i, * w;^jr h-Wp'-r' ty^Xnjjh1 a e. C-?Upr tiz'iil " 2j yti. rs - U'het i s the evidence tc detrrr.ins. T . L . V ' s ? There wo! he cord reason f o r e s t a n d a r d of 12 agr ; i t wei j u s t a coirpro.-r.ise. f.p .c .c . o" - o> rd uu:'er: nrer Cost or. set.-, tc hs-.v Ct-vsicgcc -ct user, w.th sot - 5 l e s s than 12 f . p . c . c . W- do not ha ve-.""hawc ve r , t he counts to r e a l l y pre.e. t n i s . E r i t a i n does not have such i n f o r m s t i o r e i t h e r . Question - Is there any c o r r e l a t i o n between p a r t i c l e s and f i b r e s ? A n s . e r - Y e s , t h a t can be done. Question - Is there net a trend in U.K. to consider the to t a l expo sure during one's l i f e t i n s , rather than the concentration during one c a r t i c u l a r exposure pe r io d? " .- .* -t ~ . Answer - In England the s c i e n t i s t s are t i l l i n g to a c c e p t t h i s theo ry- Question - th a t about the other research p r o j e c t s ? Answer - Dr. V i g l i a n i ' s study at the Ba ianger o F.ina (a c h r y s o t l i e mine) p r o v i d e s r e a s o n a b l y good r ecords. The d a ta s o f a r c o l l e c t e d .seem to c o n f i r m the r e s u l t s o f Dr. McDonald. Dr. V i g l i a n i i s a l s o l o o k i n g i n t o the S hi py ar d workers a t La S p e z i a ; u n f o r t u n a t e l y he i s not as f a r advanced with h i s study as ha would have l i k e d . I n t h e case of Dr, Noro, h is study covers both producers and users o f antophylite asbestos. Q u e s t i o n - U'her w i l l Dr. McDonald' s formo! r e p o r t be p r e s e n t e d ? Answer - T hi s depends on the p u b l i c a t i o n time o f m e d i c a l j o u r n a l s ; the writing i t s e l f i s finished . v. --t The P r e s i d e n t conveyed the thanks of the Q. A . f l . A . t o O r . W r i g h t and the c o r d i a l applause of the group expressed, v i v i d l y the assurance t h a t t h e i n d u s t r y was s t i l l v i t a l l y i n t e r e s t e d i n t h i s p r o b l e m . adjournment There b e i n g no f u r t h e r b u s i n e s s , the meeting was a d j o u r n e d . ' *V ... _ . Paul-A. Filteau, General Manager 4 Secretary. *.rrhrfT- ^ ' i r ' v