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A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE FIRST CIRCUIT STATE OF HAWAII IN RE : HAWAII STATE ASBESTOS CASES ALAPASCO, JULIAN BRISSON, BERNARD J. CORDERO, ALAN NERI, ERIC W. OLSON, HARLAND C. SANTOS, DANIEL JR. UYEDA, GEORGE (D) Civil No. 10-1-ACM-001 (EEH) / VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF LESLIE CONTROLS, INC. BY AND THROUGH MATTHEW WROBEL SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA TUESDAY, DECEMBER 1, 2009 Atkinson-Baker, Inc. Court Reporters (800) 288-3376 www.depo.com REPORTED BY: JOANNE BALBONI, CSR NO. 10206 FILE NO.: A309C8E Page 1 A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OFTHE FIRST CIRCUIT 2 STATE OF HAWAII 3 --4 5 IN RE: HAWAII STATE ASBESTOS CASES 6 Civil No. 10-1-ACM-001 (EEH) 7 ALAPASCO, JULIAN 8 BRISSON, BERNARD J. CORDERO, ALAN 9 NERI, ERIC W. OLSON, HARLANDC. 10 SANTOS, DANIEL JR. UYEDA, GEORGE (D) 11 / 12 13 14 15 16 Videotaped Deposition of MATTHEW WROBEL, taken on 17 behalf of Plaintiffs, at 425 Market Street, Suite 2200, 18 San Francisco, California, commencing at 9:18 a.m., 19 Tuesday, December 1, 2009, before Joanne Balboni, CSR 2 0 No. 10206. 21 22 23 24 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 2 APPEARANCES: (Continued): FOR THE DEFENDANTS UNION CARBIDE CORPORATION, BAYER CROPSCIENCE, INC.: AYABE, CHONG, NISHIMOTO, SIA & NAKAMURA BY: GAIL M. KANG, ESQ. (Via telephone) Pauahi Tower, Suite 2500 1003 Bishop Street Honolulu, Hawaii 96813 (808) 537-6119 MICHAEL MACK, videographer Page 4 1 APPEARANCES: 2 3 FORTHE PLAINTIFFS: 4 GALIHER, DEROBERTIS, ONO BY: GARY O. GALIHER, ESQ. 5 BY: L.RICHARD DEROBERTIS, ESQ. BY: ILANA K. WAXMAN, ESQ. 6 610 Ward Avenue, Second Floor Honolulu, Hawaii 96814-3308 7 (808) 597-1400 8 FORTHE DEFENDANT LESLIE CONTROLS, INC.: 9 BRYDON, HUGO & PARKER BY: EDWARD HUGO, ESQ. 10 135 Main Street, 20th Floor San Francisco, California 94105 11 (415) 808-0300 12 FOR THE DEFENDANT JOHN CRANE, INC.: 13 O'CONNELL, TIVIN, MILLER & BURNS BY: DANIEL J. O'CONNELL, ESQ. 14 135 S. LaSalle Street, Suite 2300 Chicago, Illinois 60603 15 (312) 256-8800 16 FOR DEFENDANT LESLIE CONTROLS, INC.: 17 WORSFOLD, MACFARLANE & MCDONALD BY: EVAN L. MACFARLANE, ESQ. 18 1001 Monroe Avenue, N.W. Grand Rapids, Michigan 49503 19 (616) 977-9200 20 FOR DEFENDANTS WARREN PUMPS, IMO INDUSTRIES, INC.: 21 KESSNER, UMEBAYASHI, BAIN & MATSUNAGA BY: MARIE A. SHELDON, ESQ. (Via telephone) 2 2 1900 Central Pacific Plaza 220 South King Street 23 Honolulu, Hawaii 96813 (808) 536-1900 24 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 3 INDEX WITNESS: MATTHEW WROBEL Examination Page By Mr. Galiher By Mr. Hugo 10, 174195 134,192 EXHIBITS PLAINTIFFS' NUMBER DESCRIPTION PAGE 1- Document entitled "Plaintiffs' Notice of Taking Deposition Upon Oral Examination pursuant to Rule 30(b)(6) of the Hawaii Rules of Civil Procedure of a Corporate Representative of Defendant Leslie Controls, Inc., a Division of Circor International, Inc., to be Taken Stenographically and by Videotape; Exhibits 1-7; Certificate of Service" 26 2- Document entitled "Plaintiffs' First Amended Notice of Taking Deposition Upon Oral Examination Pursuant to Rule 30(b)(6) of the Hawaii Rules of Civil Procedure of a Corporate Representative of Defendant Leslie Controls, Inc., a Division of Circor International, Inc., to be Taken Stenographically and by Videotape; Certificate of Service" 26 3- Document entitled "Plaintiffs' Third Amended Notice of Taking Deposition Upon Oral Examination Pursuant to Rule 30(b)(6) of the Hawaii Rules of Civil Procedure of a Corporate Representative of Defendant Leslie Controls, Inc., a Division of Circor International, Inc., to be Taken Stenographically and by Videotape; Certificate of Service" 26 4- Document entitled "From Snow Plows to Automation" 26 Page 5 2 (Pages 2 to 5) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 INDEX 2 (Continued): 3 EXHIBITS PLAINTIFFS' 4 NUMBER DESCRIPTION PAGE 5 5- Document entitled "Instructions for the Operation and Maintenance of Leslie 6 Pump Governors for DD-445 Class United States Destroyers" 35 7 6- Document entitled "Federal Register," 8 dated Wednesday, June 7, 1972 39 9 7- Document entitled "Affidavit of Document Authentication, State of Texas, County 10 of Dallas, Exhibits 5002-5005, Southern Power and Industry Journal" 57 11 8- Document entitled "Affidavit of Document 12 Authentication, State of Texas, County of Dallas, Plaintiff Exhibit WK CC 5078" 57 13 9- Photocopy of excerpts from Southern 14 Power and Industry entitled "Industrial Hygiene, Importance of Dust" 15 57 10- Document entitled "Transactions of the 16 American Society of Mechanical Engineers, 1940, Volume 62, Fondren Library, Southern 17 Methodist University, Dallas, Texas" 66 18 11- Document entitled "ASME Membership List, December 1948" 19 67 12- Photocopy of excerpts from Mechanical 20 Engineering published by The American Society of Mechanical Engineers entitled 21 "Reviews of Books" 72 22 13- Document entitled "Silicosis and Asbestosis By Various Authors, Edited by A.J. Lanza, 2 3 M.D." 24 25 78 1 2 (Continued): INDEX 3 EXHIBITS PLAINTIFFS' 4 NUMBER DESCRIPTION PAGE 5 14- Document entitled "NAVSHIPS 0949-056-9010, Technical Manual Type -1 for Air Priority 6 Valve, Department of the Navy, Naval Ships Systems Command" 104 7 15- Document entitled "Engineering Operating 8 Maintenance Data" 106 9 16- Document entitled "Bulletin 467-A" entitled "Engineering Data and Reference Tables" 108 10 17- Photocopy of excerpts from Leslie entitled 11 "Engineering Data Reference Tables, Formulas for Valve Sizing, Computations 12 and Formulas" 111 13 18- Document entitled "Installation, Operation and Maintenance of Leslie Pressure Reducing 14 Valves, S4866" 111 15 19- Document entitled "Defendant Leslie Controls Inc.'s Response to Plaintiffs' Amended 16 Master Set of Interrogatories" 120 17 20- Document entitled "Marine Engineering Log, New Era for Marine Industries - The 18 Evolution of Great Lakes Self-Unloaders, 1902-1957" 19 132 21- Document entitled "Military Specification, 2 0 Valves, Pressure Regulating, Steam Service, MIL-V-17848A (SHIPS), 17 October 1955" 174 21 22- Document entitled "Military Specification, 2 2 Valves, Pressure Regulating, Steam Service, MIL-V-17848 (SHIPS), 17 October 1955" 174 23 23- Document entitled "Military Specification 24 Manual, Technical, for Mechanical and Electrical Equipment (Less Electronics), 2 5 MIL-M-15071C (SHIPS), 16August 1954" 184 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 Page 6 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 EXHIBITS NUMBER INDEX PLAINTIFFS' DESCRIPTION PAGE (Continued): 24- Document entitled "Matthew Wrobel - Leslie Controls Exhibit List to Deposition Taken 8-1-2006 199 25- Document entitled "Deposition of Matthew Wrobel, August 1, 2006. Exhibits: 7 thru 23, 44, 52, 53, 65, 69 thru 72, 75, 79 thru 94" 199 EXHIBITS LETTER DEFENDANT'S DESCRIPTION PAGE A- Document entitled "Military Specification, Valves, Pressure Reducing, Steam Service" dated 12 November 1968 150 B- Photocopy of a certificate of conformance dated 9-21-71 155 C- Document entitled "Military Specification Inspection System Requirements, MIL-I-45208A" dated 16 December 1966 D- Photocopy of a Warren pump order 159 165 Page 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 7 MATTHEW WROBEL, having first been duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows: THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Good morning. We are now going on the record. My name is Michael Mack, your videographer, and I represent Atkinson-Baker, Incorporated, in Glendale, California. I'm a notary public. I'm not financially interested in this action, nor am I a relative or employee of any of the parties. Today's date is December 1st, 2009, and the time on the video monitor is 9:18 a.m. This deposition is taking place at Regus, 425 Market Street, Suite 2200, in San Francisco, California. This is case number 10-1ACM-001 (EEH) entitled Hawaii State Asbestos Cases. The deponent is Matthew Wrobel. This deposition is being taken on behalf of the plaintiffs. Your court reporter today is Joanne Balboni with Atkinson-Baker. Counsel, now please introduce themselves for the record. MR. GALIHER: Good morning. My name is Gary Galiher, and I'm present with Ilana Waxman and Richard DeRobertis on behalf of the plaintiffs. MR. HUGO: Edward Hugo for Leslie Controls, Inc., a Delaware corporation. For the record, Leslie Controls, Inc., is not a division of Circor. Circor 09:16 : 54 09 : 16 : 54 09:18:33 09:18:36 09:18:38 09:18:41 09:18:44 09:18:52 09:18:56 09:19:00 09:19:08 09:19:13 09:19:22 09:19:26 09:19:28 09:19:31 09:19:36 09:19:36 09:19:38 09:19:42 09:19:45 09:19:48 09:19:53 Page 9 3 (Pages 6 to 9) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 Then I was asked to take the position of like 2 an inspection assembly troubleshooter. Basically, what 3 that was was if assembly had to put a valve together and 09 :24 :4 4 1 09:24:47 2 09:24:51 3 A. Yes, sir. Q. Okay. But you, yourself, would physically go there and inspect the equipment and make sure it was 09:28:01 09:28:02 09:28:05 4 put it on test, and it didn't pass the test, it was my 09:24:54 4 properly installed or operating or -- 09:28:07 5 job to take that valve, disassemble it, do dimensional 09:24:57 5 A. Or, you know, if someone would call and say, 09:28:09 6 inspection, and try to determine why the valve didn't 09:25:05 6 "Hey, I`m having a problem with this piece of equipment. 09:28:12 7 work. And once I found out, then I would feed that 09:25:09 7 Can you send us over a person?" 09:28:16 8 information to quality control to take corrective action 09:25:12 8 Q. Was it in conjunction with that that you had an 09:28:18 9 to preclude reoccurrence. 09:25:17 9 opportunity actually to go aboard naval vessels and 09:28:21 10 Q. That inspection involving assembly 09:25:18 10 actually go in some sea trials? 09:28:25 11 troubleshooting, what year was that approximately? 09:25:23 11 A. Yes, sir. 09:28:28 12 A. It was prior to 1968. So it had to be 09:25:26 12 Q. Okay. Andone ofthoseexperienceswould have 09:28:28 13 somewhere in `67, `68. Because in `68, we moved from 09:25:33 13 been aboard a destroyer up at Bath Iron Works? 09:28:33 14 the original Lyndhurst plant to the Parsippany plant. 09:25:39 14 A. Yes, sir. 09:28:39 15 THE COURT REPORTER: I`m sorry. What was the 09:25:39 15 Q. I have some information, so I'll try to get it 09:28:41 16 name? 09:25:39 16 correct. 09:28:45 17 THE WITNESS: P-a-r-s-i-p-p-a-n-y, I believe. 09:25:51 17 A. It was like January or February in the North 09:28:45 18 BY MR. GALIHER: 09:25:54 18 Atlantic. It wasn't a pleasant experience. 09:28:49 19 Q. How far apart were those two locations? How 09:25:54 19 Q. This was a brand-new DLG, was it? 09:28:53 20 far -- 09:25:57 20 A. I believe so, sir. 09:28:56 21 A. They were about 30 miles. 25, 30 miles. 09:25:57 21 Q. And that's a new, fancy -- at least at that 09:28:57 22 Q. Was it a bigger facility? 09:26:01 22 point in time, it was a new, fancy destroyer? 09:29:00 23 A. Yes, sir. The original plant was built around 09:26:04 23 A. Yes, sir. 09:29:02 24 1905 in Lyndhurst. It's a town that overlooks Giants 09:26:07 24 Q. And you got to ride on the new, fancy destroyer 09:29:04 25 Stadium. And the plant was getting larger and larger. 09:26:14 25 out in the North Atlantic? 09:29:06 Page 14 Page 16 1 And John Leslie who -- it was a family-owned company at 09:26:18 1 A. I got to lay on a bunk a lot. 09:29:08 2 that time -- built 180,000-square-foot facility, I 09:26:20 2 Q. But basically yourjob was -- the Navy wanted 09:29:11 3 believe it was, in Parsippany. 09:26:25 3 you over there to monitor and repair or any ship-board 09:29:14 4 Q. After your position as an inspection assembly 09:26:30 4 repairs of their -- 09:29:18 5 troubleshooter, what was your next position? 09:26:44 5 A. If there was a problem during the sea trial, it 09:29:19 6 A. I applied somewhere around '69 -- at least '68, 09:26:47 6 was our job to do what we could to correct it. 09:29:22 7 there was an opening for a field service technician, a 09:26:53 7 Q. Okay. And you had occasion at that point in 09:29:24 8 service rep -- I forgot the exact title -- and I got 09:27:00 8 time to actually be around or actually work in the 09:29:29 9 that position. 09:27:07 9 machinery spaces aboard ships; is that correct? 09:29:33 10 Q. And what did that involve in 1968 as a field 09:27:12 10 A. I was down in machinery spaces for a while. 09:29:36 11 service technician? 09:27:15 11 Yes, sir. 09:29:39 12 A. I would go out to the field, both land-based 09:27:17 12 Q. And that would include the engine rooms and the 09:29:39 13 and on ships, to basically make sure the equipment was 09:27:22 13 fire rooms and the boiler rooms? 09:29:41 14 working, or -- actually, I would be called out if a 09:27:30 14 A. I don't remember each machinery space I was in, 09:29:43 15 piece of equipment was not working to go out there and 09:27:33 15 but I was down there. 09:29:45 16 do service work on it. 09:27:35 16 Q. Have you testified in the past that the 09:30:00 17 Q. And that would be anywhere that Leslie sold 09:27:37 17 machinery spaces include engine rooms, fire rooms, and 09:30:06 18 their equipment? 09:27:46 18 boiler rooms? 09:30:09 19 A. It would be anywhere that -- anywhere that the 09:27:46 19 A. I could have. 09:30:10 20 equipment was at that particular time. Yes, sir. 09:27:50 20 Q. Okay. Does that refresh your memory, or are 21 Q. What I mean by that is: Some of it might be 09:27:52 21 you familiar with those general descriptions? 09:30:11 09:30:14 22 aboard a ship, and -- 09:27:57 22 A. I'm familiar with the general descriptions. 09:30:15 23 A. Oh, yes, sir. 09:27:57 23 But if you ask me where they were on the ship when we 09:30:18 24 Q. -- some might be land-based or at some 09:27:58 24 are talking, you know, 30 something years ago, I really 09:30:20 25 industrial site? 09:27:58 25 don't remember. 09:30:23 Page 15 Page 17 5 (Pages 14 to 17) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 Q. Okay. 2 A. I wasn't very well that day. 3 Q. If you testified before that -- "When you say 4 machinery spaces, do you include the fire rooms and 5 boiler rooms," and your answer was, "Yes, I do," would 6 that refresh your recollection? 7 A. Yes, sir. 8 Q. Okay. Is that generally the type of places 9 that Leslie Controls equipment was located? 10 A. Pretty much. 11 Q. Okay. And those would be the parts of the ship 12 -- if it was steam-powered, that would be insulated; is 13 that correct? 14 A. I have seen insulations down in those areas. 15 Yes, sir. 16 Q. Okay. And besides that destroyer you 17 described, you've also been aboard aircraft carriers; is 18 that correct? 19 A. Yes, sir. It was -- I can relate to the time 20 because my wife was eight and a half months pregnant. 21 So it would have been sometime -- late '69, early '70, 22 maybe 1970, I think. I went aboard the USS America 23 after she was refitted. I think it was Norfolk Naval 24 Shipyard or Newport News. I forget. Because they were 25 close together, I forgot which one. 09:30:23 1 09:30:24 2 09:30:27 3 09:30:40 4 09:30:44 5 09:30:47 6 09:30:48 7 09:30:48 8 09:30:51 9 09:30:55 10 09:30:56 11 09:31:08 12 09:31:11 13 09:31:11 14 09:31:16 15 09:31:16 16 09:31:29 17 09:31:33 18 09:31:33 19 09:31:39 20 09:31:43 21 09:31:51 22 09:31:55 23 09:31:58 24 09:32:01 25 Q. Okay. In fact, they were insulated back then because itwas good piping practice, wasn't it? MR. HUGO: Same objections. THE WITNESS: Insulation is good piping practice. Yes, sir. BY MR. GALIHER: Q. And when we say "piping," we are talking about steam piping that we are discussing; is that correct? A. That's where I saw the insulation. Yes, sir. Q. And the steam piping means in excess of 212 degrees Fahrenheit; is that correct? A. If that's -- water turns to steam. Yes, sir. Q. And sometimes that can exceed 600 degrees Fahrenheit; is that correct? A. I believe so. Q. And your understanding behind insulating those pipes was, for one, to protect the workers working around those pipes; is that correct? A. I'd have to say yes. Q. And did Leslie Controls understand that there would be workers working around those steam piping systems and the pressure regulators in the machinery spaces aboard US naval vessels? A. I would have to say yes. Q. And when you visited aboard a ship to look at 09:34:17 09:34:21 09:34:25 09:34:27 09:34:28 09:34:29 09:34:29 09:34:34 09:34:36 09:34:37 09:34:42 09:34:45 09:34:49 09:34:53 09:34:54 09:34:55 09:34:59 09:35:01 09:35:03 09:35:07 09:35:17 09:35:20 09:35:23 09:35:26 09:35:28 Page 18 Page 20 1 Q. And the aircraft carrier the USS America had a 09:32:03 1 the pressure regulator on the USS America, insulation 09:35:44 2 Leslie pressure regulator on it, didn't it? 09:32:06 2 had been taken off the Leslie pressure regulator, had it 09:35:51 3 A. Yes, sir. 09:32:09 3 not? 09:35:55 4 Q. And at that point it was good practice to 09:32:10 4 A. That is correct, sir. 09:35:55 5 insulate the steam piping -- wasn't it? -- to protect 09:32:17 5 Q. Okay. And you'd assume they had to put it back 09:35:56 6 the workers? 09:32:20 on after the work was done? 09:35:59 7 MR. HUGO: Objection; vague ambiguous, "good." 09:32:21 7 A. Yes, sir. 09:36:00 8 Whose practice? 09:32:24 8 Q. Okay. After your position as a Leslie service 09:36:01 9 THE WITNESS: When I went aboard, I saw 09:32:26 9 technician, did you become manager of quality assurance 09:36:07 10 insulation on the piping that I was working around. 09:32:28 10 for Leslie? 09:36:12 11 Yes, sir. 09:32:36 11 A. Oh, no, sir. 09:36:13 12 BY MR. GALIHER: 09:32:38 12 Q. I'm sorry? 09:36:14 13 Q. Back when you went aboard that ship, you in 09:33:39 13 A. No, sir. 09:36:15 14 fact knew that the piping and valves did get insulated 09:33:43 14 Q. What happened? Trace for me your career then. 09:36:16 15 because you saw them aboard the ship, did you not? 09:33:48 15 A. Well, what happened is, as a service 09:36:18 16 A. Yes. 09:33:52 16 technician, I kind of implied before --1 have a 09:36:21 17 MR. HUGO: Objection; compound, vague and 09:33:53 17 tendency to get seasick aboard the vessels. So it 09:36:25 18 ambiguous. Go ahead. 09:33:57 18 wasn't a pleasant experience. And I asked my boss if I 09:36:28 19 BY MR. GALIHER: 09:33:57 19 could do land-based duty, and he said no, that wasn't 09:36:31 20 Q. And do you know why they were insulated? 09:34:00 20 going to happen. 09:36:35 21 MR. HUGO: Same objection. 09:34:02 21 And I really didn't know what I was going to 22 THE WITNESS: My personal -- I assume they were 09:34:09 22 do. And in fact at one point in time, I said, "Well, 09:36:36 09:36:38 23 insulated because kind of the heat and, you know, kind 09:34:11 23 I'm going to have to go find other employment." They 09:36:40 24 of the Navy wanted it that way. 25 BY MR. GALIHER: 09:34:14 24 09:34:16 25 said no because you did inspection. Instead they offered me like an entry-level job in quality control. 09:36:42 09:36:45 Page 19 Page 21 6 (Pages 18 to 21) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 deposition we are taking, and then I'll get back to my 09:48:16 1 control equipment aboard naval and merchant marine 09:51:22 2 questions. 3 I'll mark as Exhibit 4 a document entitled 09:48:19 2 09:48:20 3 vessels during the war and its war record for reliability of its equipment under war -- 09:51:26 09:51:28 4 "From Snow Plows to Automation," a previous exhibit 09:48:28 4 A. I'm sorry. I'm trying to follow -- 09:51:30 5 Number 18 to a deposition of Mr. Wrobel taken on 09:48:34 5 Q. I'm sorry. 09:51:33 6 8-1-2006. It has Bates numbers KR 001250 through KR 09:48:39 6 A. -- where you are. 09:51:34 7 001256. These are the notices as well. I'm not going 09:48:52 7 Q. It's the very next paragraph after -- not the 09:51:36 8 to ask any questions on those. I'm just making it part 09:49:03 8 one that says "1903," but -- 09:51:38 9 of the record. 09:49:07 9 A. Okay. I'm just trying to follow you. 09:51:40 10 (Plaintiffs' Exhibits 1, 2, 3, 4 marked.) 09:49:29 10 Q. No. That's okay. I want you to catch up and 09:51:43 11 BY MR. GALIHER: 09:49:29 11 see where I'm reading from. 09:51:44 12 Q. Mr. Wrobel, have you seen that Exhibit 4 09:49:29 12 Basically, it indicates that Leslie was 09:51:50 13 before? 09:49:31 13 established as a leading supplier for steam controls 09:51:53 14 A. Yes, sir, I believe I have. 09:49:32 14 aboard ships; is that correct? 09:51:57 15 Q. Okay. AndI'm going todirectyourattention 09:49:33 15 A. That's what it says, sir, yes. 09:51:58 16 to page 2, the fourth paragraph that starts in 1903. 09:49:37 16 Q. Again, was that your understanding? 09:52:00 17 Can you read that to yourself? 09:49:48 17 A. Yes, sir. 09:52:03 18 A. Yes, sir. 09:49:51 18 Q. On page 5 of that article under a paragraph 09:52:03 19 Q. Okay. It indicates that "In 1903, Leslie 09:49:51 19 entitled -- the page number is up at the top. 09:52:21 20 reducing valves were first applied to ships ofthe US 09:49:55 20 A. I'm with you. 09:52:25 21 Navy and were included in the design ofthe battleship 09:49:59 21 Q. -- "Conversion to Peacetime Business," do you 09:52:25 22 Georgia built in 1905." 09:50:03 22 see that? 09:52:29 23 Do you see that? 09:50:04 23 A. Yes, sir. 09:52:29 24 A. Yes, sir. 09:50:05 24 Q. In February of 1946, Inglis Leslie was elected 09:52:30 25 Q. Does that refresh your recollection as to 1903 09:50:05 25 chairman ofthe board. 09:52:36 Page 26 Page 28 1 being the first year that Leslie reducing valves were 09:50:10 1 Who was Inglis -- 09:52:39 2 first applied to ships ofthe US Navy? 09:50:13 2 A. S. Inglis Leslie, everybody called him Pop. He 09:52:41 3 A. Yes, sir, in this context. You see where I got 09:50:16 3 was the son of the founder. 09:52:45 4 the 1905 from. So -- 09:50:18 4 Q. Okay. Did you ever meet him? 09:52:50 5 Q. I understand that. 09:50:20 5 A. Yes, sir. 09:52:53 6 Your recollection was they were included in the 09:50:22 6 Q. So he was the second generation that was still 09:52:53 7 design of that battleship Georgia -- is that correct -- 09:50:25 7 there when you came on board? 09:52:57 8 A. Yes. 09:50:25 8 A. He'd just retired, and in fact he passed away 09:53:00 9 Q. -- that was built in 1905? 09:50:28 9 about a year or two after I started. 09:53:05 10 A. Yes, sir. 09:50:30 10 Q. Okay. Was he an engineer? 09:53:07 11 Q. And is that the one you happen to have a 09:50:30 11 A. Off the top of my head, I don't know if Pop was 09:53:10 12 picture of in your office? 09:50:33 12 or not. 09:53:16 13 A. It used to be. It's outside of the office. 09:50:34 13 Q. How about the founder Leslie? Was he an 09:53:17 14 It's actually the original article from the newspaper, 09:50:36 14 engineer? 09:53:19 15 and it's outside of my old office when I was in quality 09:50:39 15 A. I don't believe so. I've never seen anything 09:53:20 16 assurance. 09:50:42 16 to it. 09:53:23 17 Q. Okay. And then it follows up and says, "Since 09:50:42 17 Q. Howabout John S.Leslie? 09:53:24 18 that time, Leslie regulators and controllers have been 09:50:50 18 A. Yes. John was an engineer. 09:53:28 19 used by the Navy for all kinds of services"; is that 09:50:53 19 Q. Okay. And here it goes on to say that John S. 09:53:30 20 correct? 09:50:59 20 Leslie was a graduate mechanical -- a graduate 09:53:35 21 A. Yes, sir. 09:50:59 21 mechanical engineer from Cornell University; is that 09:53:39 22 Q. And is that your understanding? 09:51:00 22 correct? 09:53:42 23 A. Yes, sir. 09:51:02 23 A. That's my understanding. Yes, sir. 09:53:42 24 Q. And it goes on then in the next paragraph to 09:51:03 24 Q. Okay. And he was a member of the Mechanical 09:53:44 25 say that Leslie was an important supplier of automatic 09:51:18 25 Engineering Society? 09:53:49 Page 27 Page 29 8 (Pages 26 to 29) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 MR. GALIHER: Sure,absolutely. Let's go off 09:59:21 1 A. Yes, sir. 10:15:08 2 the record. It's 10:00 o'clock, 8:00 o'clock in Hawaii. 09:59:23 2 Q. And then on the bottom, it has an additional 10:15:09 3 10:00 o'clock here. 09:59:27 3 four built by the Bethlehem Steel Company at Terminal 10:15:11 4 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are going offthe record. 09:59:28 4 Island, California. Do you see that? 10:15:16 5 The time on the screen is 9:59. 09:59:30 5 A. Yes, sir. 10:15:18 6 (Recess.) 10:12:00 6 Q. So just on the front of that one page, it 10:15:18 7 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are now back on the 10:12:05 7 itemized 24 destroyers that had Leslie equipment; is 10:15:23 8 record. The time on the screen is 10:12. 10:12:20 8 that correct? 10:15:28 9 BY MR. GALIHER: 10:12:23 9 A. If that totals up to it, yes. 10:15:28 10 Q. Mr. Wrobel, Leslie designed and manufactured 10:12:30 10 Q. And then going to the next page, there are four 10:15:31 11 valves that went aboard United States Navy destroyers, 10:12:36 11 destroyers and their hull numbers that are built at Gulf 10:15:36 12 did it not? 10:12:42 12 Shipbuilding, Mobile, Alabama. Do you see that? 10:15:41 13 A. Yes, sir. 10:12:43 13 A. Yes, sir. 10:15:45 14 Q. And there were various classes of destroyers. 10:12:43 14 Q. And followed by another 14 that were built by 10:15:45 15 They just didn't build one. Often they would build them 10:12:48 15 Seattle-Tacoma Shipbuilding Company in Seattle, 10:15:49 16 in groups, and frequently those were entire classes of 10:12:52 16 Washington. Do you see that? 10:15:53 17 ships? 10:12:55 17 A. Yes, sir. 10:15:54 18 A. Yes, sir. 10:12:56 18 Q. And then on the bottom, it has an additional 12 10:15:55 19 Q. And one of those classes of ships was referred 10:12:57 19 that were built by Consolidated Steel Company, Orange, 10:15:59 20 to as Fletcher class. Do you recall that? 10:13:01 20 Texas. Do you see that? 10:16:03 21 A. I believe that's World War II destroyers. 10:13:05 21 A. Yes, sir. 10:16:04 22 Q. I'm going to hand you what I've marked as 10:13:08 22 Q. That second page says 30. That's my addition 10:16:05 23 Exhibit 5 entitled "Instructions for the Operation and 10:13:11 23 of 14, 4, and 12. And the 24 from the previous page, 10:16:10 24 Maintenance of Leslie Pump Governors for DD-445 Class 10:13:14 24 that would be 54 destroyers itemized there; is that 10:16:18 25 United States Destroyers." It has "Leslie Company, 10:13:20 25 correct? 10:16:22 Page 34 Page 36 1 Lyndhurst, NewJersey," at the bottom. 10:13:29 1 A. Yes, sir. 10:16 : 2 2 2 (Plaintiffs' Exhibit 5 marked.) 10:14:07 2 Q. Okay. Whatwas the purpose of these 10:16 : 2 3 3 BY MR. GALIHER: 10:14:07 3 instructions? 10:16:29 4 Q. Do you recognize that document? 5 A. I've seen documents like this before. Yes, 6 sir. 10:14:07 10:14:08 10:14:11 4 5 A. They gave the principal operation of how the pump pressure or the pump governor worked. It gave installation instructions. 10:16:30 10:16:41 10:16:46 7 Q. Okay. And that would be typical of the type of 10:14:11 7 Q. M-hm. 10:16:49 8 document that Leslie would prepare for use with their 10:14:13 8 A. And then it went into the operation of how to 9 equipment aboard the US naval ships? CO H H O H 9 start up the pump governor, and it also went into 10 A. For this period of time, I've seen these -- 10:14:21 10 cleaning and repairing. 10:16:50 10:16:56 10:16:59 11 Q. Okay. 10:14:25 11 Q. Okay. And was that typical of the type of 10:17:00 12 A. -- of this format. 13 Q. Okay. And as you open that up, on the second 14 page and the third page, it has listings of various hull 10:14:26 12 10:14:27 13 10:14:31 14 instruction Leslie would give the US Navy sailors who are working on this equipment, instructions on how to maintain and operate this equipment? 10:17:04 10:17:14 10:17:16 15 numbers and the various shipyards where those hull 10:14:39 15 A. This is the format that I've seen for World War 10:17:18 16 numbers of the Fletcher class destroyers were built; is 10:14:42 16 II. 10:17:22 17 that correct? 18 A. Yes, sir. 10:14:46 17 10:14:46 18 Q. Okay. Do you know whether the Leslie equipment that was aboard the Fletcher class made its way to Pearl 10:17:22 10:17:51 19 Q. And on page 2, for instance, it has six 10:14:47 19 Harbor Naval Shipyard? 10:17:59 20 destroyers that were built by Bethlehem Steel, Staten 10:14:54 20 A. I personally don't know. I assume if these 10:18:03 21 Island, New York; is that correct? 22 A. Yes, sir. 10:14:59 21 10:15:00 22 destroyers came to Pearl Harbor, the equipment came with it. 10:18:06 10:18:10 23 Q. And then below that, it has an additional 16 10:15:00 23 Q. Okay. Are you aware that the Fletcher class 10:18:10 24 that were built by Bethlehem Steel here in San 10:15:04 24 that was named for the DD-445, the Fletcher itself, was 10:18:16 25 Francisco; is that correct? 10:15:08 25 stationed at Pearl Harbor Naval Shipyard? 10:18:21 Page 35 Page 37 10 (Pages 34 to 37) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 Q. Did you ever advise customers that they should 10:24:35 1 governors and their instructions for the operation and 10:27:29 2 not use compressed air to blow out packing glands and 10:24:46 2 maintenance of those, Leslie instructed the mechanics to 10:27:31 3 flanges where gaskets where Leslie gasket and packing 10:24:54 3 blow out steam lines thoroughly before installing Leslie 10:27:37 4 were being removed and replaced? 10:25:00 4 pump governors, did it not? 10:27:41 5 A. In all the documents that I've seen, I've never 10:25:02 5 A. Yes, sir. It's a common practice before 10:27:42 6 seen it said that way. In some of the tech manuals, 10:25:07 installing any type of a valve into the line. Because 10:27:44 7 there has been some instructions on how to do things. 10:25:10 7 as you know, when they weld lines together, there might 10:27:48 8 But I've never seen, you know, somebody say, "Don't do 10:25:14 8 be a little slag or lagging in there. So you really 10:27:51 9 that." 10:25:17 9 want -- I mean slag, not lagging. 10:27:54 10 Q. Okay. Leslie never warned the mechanics, 10:25:17 10 Weld slag, foreign materials, somebody dropped 10:27:57 11 whether they were in the United States Navy or outside 10:25:24 11 something in the pipe, you'd really want that out before 10:28:01 12 facilities, not to use compressed air when cleaning out 10:25:26 12 it's sold. It wouldn't get into the internal groove 10:28:03 13 their products; is that correct? 10:25:30 13 valve. 10:28:05 14 A. I've never seen anything like that, sir. 10:25:31 14 Q. And during World War II, the steam lines were 10:28:06 15 Q. In fact, Leslie told the mechanics just the 10:25:34 15 insulated with asbestos lagging, were they not? 10:28:08 16 opposite. They told them to blow the things out, didn't 10:25:39 16 A. I know that today, sir. 10:28:11 17 they? 10:25:41 17 Q. Okay. And would you consider it good practice 10:28:12 18 MR. HUGO: Objection; vague and ambiguous as to 10:25:43 18 to blow out steam lines that contained asbestos 10:28:15 19 "the things." 10:25:45 19 insulation on the outside before installing Leslie pump 10:28:21 20 THE WITNESS: Are we talking about during this 10:25:46 20 governors? 10:28:25 21 assembly, or are we talking about -- 10:25:48 21 A. I don't know if a Leslie pump governor was 10:28:26 22 BY MR. GALIHER: 10:25:50 22 installed before or after the insulation, but really it 10:28:30 23 Q. Maintenance and repair. 10:25:51 23 shouldn't make any difference because we are talking 10:28:33 24 A. I don't believe in that context. I think in 10:25:52 24 about the internal part of the pipe, which is not 10:28:36 25 some of the manuals, it says prior to installation, the 10:26:00 25 insulated, and you are just trying to clear any debris 10:28:39 Page 42 Page 44 1 line should be blown out to preclude any foreign matter 10:26:04 1 that might be in there. 10:28:43 2 from getting inside the valve. I don't remember seeing 10:26:08 2 Q. So it's your testimony here today it doesn't 10:28:43 3 it saying blow the valve out as a valve. 10:26:11 3 matter or you don't think it's good or bad practice to 10:28:48 4 Q. Okay. The point being is, in order to remove 10:26:12 4 use compressed air to clean out steam lines before 10:28:51 5 or get access to the Leslie control equipment that was 10:26:22 5 installing Leslie pump governors? 10:28:55 6 in the steam lines, insulation would frequently have to 10:26:28 6 A. Sir, I wasn't talking about the compressed air. 10:28:58 7 be removed; is that correct? 10:26:31 7 I believe the manual says, you know -- in other words, 10:29:00 8 A. I'm sorry. Can you repeat that? 9 Q. Sure. 10 With respect to Leslie valves and their steam 10:26:32 8 10:26:35 9 10:26:37 10 what they are saying basically is, before you put the valve in, there is usually stop valves before the valve. Before you put the Leslie valve in, open, correct the 10:29:03 10:29:05 10:29:09 11 control equipment, insulation would frequently have to 10:26:43 11 valve, let steam run through the valve. So if there is 10:29:13 12 be removed, would it not, in order to get access to that 13 equipment? 14 A. Depending on the type of valve and the amount 10:26:46 12 10:26:51 13 10:26:51 14 any debris inside the pipe itself, the inside of the pipe, let it blow out before you install the valve, so any of those contaminants do not get in the valve. 10:29:16 10:29:18 10:29:21 15 of insulation that the Navy had put on it, it's possible 10:26:56 15 Q. And that air that you are suggesting that it be 10:29:24 16 that you had to take some insulation off, like the 10:27:00 16 blown out, that steam that's being blown out, that's 10:29:28 17 reducing valve that I worked on on the USS America. 18 Q. Okay. That was a pressure regulator? 10:27:03 17 10:27:07 18 blown out under high pressure into the area where the workmen are working? 10:29:31 10:29:35 19 A. Pressure reducing valve/pressure regulator. 10:27:09 19 A. I've seen it done -- actually, there's really 10:29:36 20 Q. And that was insulated and that insulation had 10:27:12 20 nobody working around. When they are doing this, they 10:29:41 21 to be removed before it could be worked on or repaired; 10:27:14 21 are installing it. The fitters are putting the valves 22 is that correct? 10:27:18 22 in, and it's, you know, common practice to open the stop 10:29:44 10:29:47 23 A. Before they could work on that valve, the way 10:27:18 23 valve, let some steam come through. And it may not, you 10:29:52 24 it was insulated, they have to take it off. Yes, sir. 10:27:21 24 know -- I don't know what the pressure is. Okay? It's 10:29:57 25 Q. Okay. And with respect to Leslie pump 10:27:23 25 not when they are underway. This is like when the ship 10:29:59 Page 43 Page 45 12 (Pages 42 to 45) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 is being built or partially built or in for repair. You 10:30:03 1 Q. And the packing? 2 crack the line to blow out anything that may be inside 3 the pipe. 10:30:06 2 10:30:10 3 A. If the valve had packing in it, yes. Q. Okay. And Leslie,in fact, in their operating 4 Q. Okay. Andasyousit here today,doyou think 10:30:10 4 manual or their instruction manual for the operation and 5 it's good practice to blow out high pressure in the 10:30:16 5 maintenance of the --I'm trying to read it upside down 6 closed air spaces ofwhere the workers are working on 10:30:23 -- the pump governor that I've marked as Exhibit 5 told 7 the Leslie equipment that's been insulated? 10:30:27 7 the mechanics to use Leslie equipment and gaskets -- is 8 MR. HUGO: Objection; vague, overbroad, 10:30:30 8 that correct? -- replacement parts? 9 presumes facts. 10:30:33 9 A. Yes, sir. It says, "When renewing diaphragms 10 THEWITNESS: I'm sorry,sir. It'sa 10:30:37 10 and gaskets, be sure to use standard parts made by 11 recommended practice to blow out steam lines prior to 10:30:39 11 Leslie Controls, Leslie Company." 12 putting new equipment in. This is -- in all the years 10:30:45 12 Q. So it's clear, Leslie sold replacement parts to 13 I've been -- when I was aboard a ship, it's something 10:30:51 13 the Navy; is that correct? 14 that's done. 10:30:54 14 A. Yes, sir. 15 BY MR. GALIHER: 10:30:54 15 Q. And, in fact, even though Leslie said in their 16 Q. And that's what Leslie recommended be done 10:30:54 16 instruction manual to the mechanics to use Leslie 17 before installing their Leslie governors; is that 10:30:57 17 replacement parts, Leslie actually bought asbestos 18 correct? 10:30:57 18 gaskets and packing from other manufacturers and sold 19 A. Leslie wanted to ensure that foreign matter did 10:31:00 19 them as replacement parts; is that correct? 20 not get into the pump governor. 10:31:03 20 A. Yes, sir. We didn't manufacture gaskets or 21 Q. And this was the same practice during repair? 10:31:05 21 packing. They were bought from manufacturers or 22 MR. HUGO: Objection; vague, ambiguous, and 10:31:14 22 distributors. 23 overbroad. 10:31:15 23 Q. Okay. Leslie had its own line of packing, did 24 THE WITNESS: Repair of the valve itself, or -- 10:31:18 24 they not? 25 BY MR. GALIHER: 10:31:21 25 A. Leslie had a packing that was purchased that 10:32 : 50 10:32:51 10:32:57 10:33:41 10:33:44 10:33:50 10:33:54 10:34:01 10:34:03 10:34:09 10:34:10 10:34:17 10:34:33 10:34:34 10:34:35 10:34:43 10:34:49 10:34:53 10:34:56 10:34:58 10:35:01 10:35:04 10:35:05 10:35:11 10:35:11 Page 46 Page 48 1 Q. Repair ofthe Leslie pump governors. 10:31:21 was labeled Leslie Lubrisoft. 10:35:20 2 A. Okay. I have a question. You are talking 10:31:24 2 Q. Okay. And that contained asbestos? 10:35:23 3 about the pump cutter has been taken out, repaired, and 10:31:27 3 A. It contained rings that contained asbestos. 10:35:25 4 put back in again? 10:31:29 4 Yes, sir. 10:35:29 5 Q. Or it's in the process of being repaired. As I 10:31:30 5 Q. And Leslie itself was not on the qualified 10:35:29 6 understand it, it can be repaired after it's been 10:31:32 products list; is that correct? 10:35:38 7 installed and insulated? 10:31:36 7 A. That is correct, sir. 10:35:39 8 A. Depending how much insulation is on it. 9 Example: When I worked on that pump pressure regulator 10:31:38 10:31:42 9 Q. So Leslie was not even on the QPL? A. Not for gaskets and packing. No, sir. 10:35:39 10:35:48 10 -- excuse me -- the pressure reducing valve, it was 10:31:46 10 Q. But Leslie sold asbestos gaskets; is that 10:35:48 11 already in the line. And I only had to disturb certain 10:31:49 11 correct? 10:35:52 12 components. You don't take that out and blow the line 13 out again. It's like a first-shot deal. 10:31:53 12 10:31:56 13 A. We sold gaskets that contained asbestos if somebody ordered them, yes. 10:35:52 10:35:57 14 Q. Is this the one that you break the joint at the 10:31:59 14 Q. And then Leslie bought gaskets from the gasket 10:35:58 15 top cap gasket? 10:32:01 15 manufacturer, marked them up, and sold them to the Navy 10:36:02 16 A. That particular valve, yes -- 10:32:03 16 when the Navy asked it to supply gaskets and spare 10:36:05 17 Q. Okay. 10:32:14 17 parts; is that correct? 10:36:10 18 A. -- when I worked on that valve. 10:32:17 18 A. Yes, sir. 10:36:11 19 Q. And in renewing the diaphragms and gaskets, 10:32:18 19 Q. And this is because Leslie wanted to sell spare 10:36:12 20 Leslie told the mechanics to be sure they used standard 10:32:32 20 parts; is that correct? 10:36:22 21 parts made by Leslie Company, did they not? 10:32:35 21 A. Yes, sir. 10:36:23 22 A. Yes, sir. That's what said in there. 10:32:38 22 Q. And the Navy could order two, three, or four 10:36:23 23 Q. And those would include asbestos gaskets? 10:32:40 23 from Leslie instead of ordering a whole batch from the 10:36:26 24 A. They would include the gaskets that contained 10:32:43 24 original manufacturer; is that correct? 10:36:30 25 asbestos that were original to the equipment. 10:32:46 25 A. Yes. If they needed a few, they could order 10:36:31 Page 47 Page 49 13 (Pages 46 to 49) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 familiar with the ASME specifications for nuclear power 2 plants, and also like the ASME Section 3, which covered 3 making components for nuclear power plants. Because 10:4 4:25 10:4 4:29 10:44:35 1 2 3 foundry -- we had a foundry department -- was in the back. So in Lyndhurst, it would have been located in the office. 10:47:39 10:47:42 10:47:46 4 when I was in quality assurance, we had to get our N 10:44:38 4 I didn't work in the office in Lyndhurst, but I 10:47:46 5 stamp and worked exclusively with those -- mainly dealt 10:44:42 5 had occasion to go up there and see who was there. 10:47:49 6 with the quality system and their requirements. 10:44:46 6 Q. Who worked in the office in Lyndhurst? 10:47:51 7 Q. Was there a technical library at Leslie 10:44:54 7 A. Sales, marketing, accounting. Let's see. Who 10:47:54 8 Controls? 10:45:03 8 else? 10:48:03 9 A. Not per se a technical library. There were 10:45:03 9 Q. Where was -- 10:48:03 10 books in engineering in the cabinet. 10:45:10 10 A. Production control. Quality control was in the 10:48:04 11 Q. Where were those kept? 10:45:12 11 office. 10:48:06 12 A. There was a rack, and there were different 10:45:14 12 Q. Where would Mr. Leslie and his father work? 10:48:06 13 books in there like, as I am saying, ASME Section 3. 10:45:22 13 A. I believe their office was in that office. 10:48:10 14 There were ASTM books in there. There were some ASME 10:45:28 14 Being only there a year and a half, I never got to get 10:48:14 15 books in QA when I was QA manager that had to do with 10:45:31 15 into their office, sir. 10:48:18 16 the quality systems. There were ASTM books in quality. 10:45:34 16 Q. You didn't inspect their personal library? 10:48:18 17 Q. Where were these books located? 10:45:39 17 A. No, sir. 10:48:26 18 A. Some were located in the engineering 10:45:42 18 Q. Okay. With respect to Leslie, are you aware 10:48:27 19 department. Some were located in quality assurance. 10:45:47 19 that they advertised in a publication called Southern 10:48:44 20 Q. Was there an advertising or a marketing 10:46:01 20 Power and Industry magazine? 10:48:49 21 department? 10:46:03 21 A. Yes, sir. 10:48:53 22 A. We had a marketing department, yes, sir. 10:46:03 22 Q. What are you aware of as to what kind of ads 10:48:53 23 Q. Where was that located? 10:46:07 23 they ran in that? 10:48:56 24 A. It was -- in which plant? 10:46:08 24 A. I've seen ads for pressure reducing valves. 10:48:57 25 Q. Well, you tell me. I am interested in all of 10:46:15 25 For valves generally. 10:49:00 Page 54 Page 56 1 them. You can start with the first plant. 10 :46 :18 1 Q. Okay. And would that have included during the 10:49:01 2 Was there a marketing department backthen? 10 :46 :2 0 2 1940s? 10:49:03 3 A. As far asI know, therewas. 10:46:22 3 A. I've probably seen articles from that period of 10:49:09 4 Q. Okay. Where was it located? 10:46:23 4 time. Yes, sir. 10:49:13 5 A. In the office. In the office in Lyndhurst. 6 Q. I apologize. The first plant was located 10:46:25 5 10:46:30 6 Q. Okay. A. Or-- 10:49:14 10:49:16 7 where? 10:46:33 7 MR. GALIHER: I'm going to mark as Exhibit 7 an 10:49:23 8 A. Lyndhurst, New Jersey. 10:46:33 8 ad in Southern Power and Industry for December 1945. 10:49:30 9 Q. And that was from 1903 to when? 10:46:36 9 It's a three-page document. Authentication is on the 10:49:40 10 A. No. I think it wasbuilt in 1905. 10:46:41 10 first page, the ad is on the second, and the 10:49:43 11 Q. 1905 to when? 10:46:43 11 advertisers' index is on the third page. 10:49:45 12 A. To 1968. 10:46:44 12 (Plaintiffs' Exhibit 7 marked.) 10:51:08 13 Q. It had one office? 10:46:45 13 MR. GALIHER: I'll mark as Exhibit Number 8 an 10:51:08 14 A. Well, it was typical older type plants that 10:46:51 14 article that comes from the January addition of Southern 10:51:12 15 you've been aware of in the northeast, and it had one 10:46:58 15 Power and Industry for 1946, and Number 9 will be 10:51:23 16 building that housed like production control, sales and 10:47:01 16 another article that appears in Southern Power and 10:51:28 17 marketing, all the office functions, excluding 10:47:07 17 Industry for November 1946, and see if you've seen these 10:51:36 18 engineering. Engineering, when we were in Lyndhurst, 10:47:12 18 before. 10:51:44 19 actually was on the second floor. Part of it was on the 10:47:15 19 (Plaintiffs' Exhibits 8, 9 marked.) 10:51:44 20 second floor. There were some drafters on the first 10:47:24 20 (Brief pause in proceedings.) 10:53:21 21 floor. It was kind of like -- because it was being 10:47:26 21 BY MR. GALIHER: 10:53:22 22 added to -- a typical old-type company -- it just wasn't 10:47:28 22 Q. Going back to Exhibit 7, do you have that 10:53:24 23 one building. A lot of small buildings. 10:47:32 23 there? That's the one with the ad? 10:53:26 24 The machine shop was separate by itself. 25 Welding was adjacent to it. Assembly was there. The 10:47:34 24 10:47:37 25 A. Yes, sir. Q. Have you seen that ad before? 10:53:29 10:53:29 Page 55 Page 57 15 (Pages 54 to 57) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 A. I believe I have, sir. 10:53:31 1 is just as toxic as free silica." 10:57:05 2 Q. Okay. And so it would come as no surprise to 10: 53:32 2 3 you that Leslie Controls advertised in that publication? 10:53:38 3 Do you see that? MR. HUGO: Same objections. 10:57:08 10:57:10 4 A. No surprise, sir. 10:53:41 4 THE WITNESS: I see that written here. Yes, 10:57:11 5 Q. Okay. And are you aware that that very same 10:53:43 5 sir. 10:57:11 6 publication published articles that talked about the 7 hazards of asbestos and asbestos dust? 10:53:49 6 10:53:54 7 BY MR. GALIHER: Q. Okay. And then down there in the next 10:57:14 10:57:14 8 A. In here? 10:54:03 8 paragraph following that paragraph, it starts with, 10:57:24 9 Q. Not in that exhibit. That same publication. I 10:54:04 9 "Asbestos dust, although specifically toxic, does not 10:57:26 10 have Exhibit 8and 9 coming next. You may look at 10:54:08 10 result in a numerically great number of exposures due to 10:57:30 11 those. 10:54:11 11 the infrequent industrial applications. However, in the 10:57:35 12 A. But may I see which article you are referring 10:54:11 12 production of asbestos cloth and other products, a 10:57:38 13 to? 10:54:14 13 serious problem of dustcontrol is presented." 10:57:41 14 Q. Sure. 10:54:14 14 Do you see that? 10:57:43 15 MR. HUGO: Let him askyou a question so that 10:54:17 15 MR. HUGO: Same objections. 10:57:44 16 you know what he is asking you about. 10:54:20 16 THE WITNESS: That's what's written here. Yes, 10:57:45 17 MR. GALIHER: I'm sorry. 8, I only have one. 10:54:22 17 sir. 10:57:48 18 I apologize. 10:54:25 18 BY MR. GALIHER: 10:57:48 19 (Brief pause in proceedings.) 10:55:27 19 Q. Okay. And this article appears in the same 10:57:49 20 BY MR. GALIHER: 10:55:29 20 publication that many Leslie Controls had run ads; is 10:57:53 21 Q. I'm going to hand you Exhibit 8. On page 74 of 10:55:29 21 that correct? 10:57:53 22 that publication, in the first column, there is a 10:55:35 22 MR. HUGO: Objection; misstates facts. The 10:58:04 23 heading that says "Silica and dust." 10:55:48 23 documents speak for themselves. 10:58:06 24 Do you see that? 10:55:51 24 BY MR. GALIHER: 10:58:08 25 A. Yes, sir. May I see the whole document, the 10:55:52 25 Q. Not the same exact month, but the same 10:58:08 Page 58 Page 60 1 whole article? 10:55:55 1 publication. Can you see the name of the publication, 10:58:10 2 Q. I just have the -- you might have the whole 10: 55 : 56 2 the title of it? 10:58:13 3 one. Do you want to take a look at it? 10:56 : 00 3 A. I can see the name of the publication. 10:58:14 4 A. No, it's not. I just have excerpts, a couple 5 of pages. I don't even have the title of the article. Q. I apologize. 10:56:01 10:56:06 10:56:10 4 5 6 Q. And what is that? A. It's Southern Power and Industry, sir. Q. And that's the one -- Exhibit 7 indicated that 10:58:16 10:58:18 10:58:19 7 MR. HUGO: This document has what appears to be 10:56:11 7 Leslie advertised in it; is that correct? 10:58:24 8 a cover page from January 1946, and then the next page 10:56:13 8 A. Was it the same -- it's the same publication, 10:58:27 9 numerically is 74. There is 75, 76, and 158. 10:56:18 9 but it's not the same date. 10:58:33 10 MR. GALIHER: I think we just have the pages 10:56:25 10 (Discussion off the record.) 10:58:39 11 referenced that talk about asbestos in that publication 10:56:29 11 BY MR. GALIHER: 10:58:41 12 for January 1946. I apologize. 10:56:32 12 Q. Okay. And then -- 10:58:42 13 THE WITNESS: Well, I'd like to see the whole 14 document to see what the title was. 10:56:38 13 10:56:39 14 (Discussion offthe record.) BY MR. GALIHER: 10:58:44 10:58:46 15 BY MR. GALIHER: 10:56:41 15 Q. If you go back to Exhibit 7 -- I'm sorry -- 10:58:46 16 Q. Well, just bear with me for this question. 10:56:41 16 Exhibit 8 -- I apologize. It has -- I don't have copies 10:58:53 17 Does it indicate there under the heading 10:56:46 17 of it. That's why I'm stumbling around a little bit. 10:58:58 18 "Silica and Dust: Exposures to free silica are more 10:56:47 18 On Exhibit 8 -- do you have that in front of 10:59:00 19 important from the standpoint of population exposed and 10:56:50 19 you? -- on the last page of Exhibit 8 -- can you turn to 10:59:02 20 deserve more consideration than those to asbestos dust"? 10:56:54 20 that? -- does it have an advertisers index? 10:59:05 21 Do you see that? 22 MR. HUGO: Objection. The document speaks for 10:56:58 21 10:56:58 22 A. Yes, sir, it does. Q. And under the L's, do you see Leslie Company? 10:59:09 10:59:10 23 itself. It's hearsay. 10:57:00 23 A. Yes, sir, I do. 10:59:20 24 BY MR. GALIHER: 10:57:01 24 Q. Okay. And that is in the same month, 10:59:20 25 Q. And it goes on to say, "However, asbestos dust 10:57:02 25 January 1946, is it not? 10:59:26 Page 59 Page 61 16 (Pages 58 to 61) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 A. Yes, it is, sir. 2 Q. Okay. 3 MR. HUGO: Just for the record, after Leslie 10:59 :2 7 1 10:59:31 2 10:59:37 3 Q. Leslie did not discuss with you the maximum working concentration for asbestos, did they, in the 1960s? 11:03:28 11:03:32 11:03:35 4 Company, there is an asterisk or a black dot, which 10:59:40 4 A. Not to my knowledge sir. 11:03:37 5 indicates that there is no Leslie ad present in the 10:59:44 5 Q. Okay. And Leslie did not indicate to you that 11:03:39 6 January 1946 publication. 7 MR. GALIHER: Your point is noted. 10:59:52 6 11:00:01 7 the only way of determining both the nature of the dust and the actual concentration is by direct sampling and 11:03:42 11:03:45 8 Q. Can I have you take a look at Exhibit 9? And 11:00:10 8 similar procedures for counting the dust, did they? 11:03:49 9 this is another article from that same publication, 11:00:47 9 A. Not to my knowledge, sir. 11:03:52 10 Southern Power and Industry, for November 1946. 11:00:50 10 Q. And with respect to the Southern Power and 11:03:53 11 Do you see that on the first page? 11:00:55 11 Industry magazine, you agree that Leslie probably got 11:04:11 12 A. Yes, sir. 11:00:57 12 this magazine, don't you? 11:04:14 13 Q. And in the first paragraph, do you see where 11:00:59 13 A. I don't know if they did or not, sir. 11:04:16 14 asbestos is identified as one of these dusts the article 11:01:13 14 MR. HUGO: Just for the record, Exhibit 9 also 11:04:18 15 is concerned with? 11:01:19 15 has an advertisers index. And across from the words 11:04:20 16 A. Where, sir? 11:01:20 16 "Leslie Company," there is a black dot or an asterisk 11:04:24 17 Q. About two-thirds of the way down, it says, 11:01:22 17 which indicates that there is no Leslie Company ad in 11:04:27 18 "This is especially true of dust containing a high 11:01:26 18 the November 1946 edition of Southern Power and 11:04:31 19 percentage offree silica, asbestos, and other toxic 11:01:29 19 Industry. 11:04:36 20 materials." Do you see that? 11:01:35 20 BY MR. GALIHER: 11:05:01 21 A. Yes, sir. I've read this article. 11:01:36 21 Q. Would you agree with me that Leslie Controls 11:05:01 22 Q. Okay. 23 A. And this article, you know, it doesn't talk 11:01:39 22 11:01:40 23 would have gotten copies of a magazine in which it was listed as an advertiser? 11:05:04 11:05:07 24 about gaskets and packing. It just talks about asbestos 11:01:46 24 A. Probably, yes. 11:05:09 25 dust in general and other dusts in the industry. 11:01:49 25 Q. Okay. As of January of 1946, Leslie Controls 11:05:11 Page 62 Page 64 1 MR. GALIHER: Move to strike as nonresponsive. 11:01: 55 1 would have gotten a copy of that document; is that 11:05:40 2 Q. Youare familiar with this article? 11:02: 02 2 correct? 11:05:43 3 A. I've read it before, sir. 11:02:03 3 MR. HUGO: Objection; lacksfoundation, calls 11:05:43 4 Q. Okay. And withrespect to asbestos, by 1946, 11:02:05 4 for speculation. 11:05:44 5 the article indicates that there have been 11:02:19 5 THE WITNESS: As I say, if Leslie advertised in 11:05:45 concentrations established, that workers should stay 11:02:29 6 the document, it would make sense that Leslie would get 11:05:50 7 below established concentrations; is that correct? 11:02:34 7 a copy of that document. 11:05:53 8 A. In this article? 11:02:36 8 BY MR. GALIHER: 11:05:54 9 Q. Yes. 11:02:37 9 Q. Have you given sworn testimony under oath with 11:05:55 10 A. Can you point that out to me? I don't remember 11:02:38 10 respect to the January -- as of January 1946, Leslie 11:05:58 11 where it was. 11:02:40 11 would have gotten a copy of that document? 11:06:05 12 Q. Sure. There's two, three references. We'll 11:02:40 12 A. I could have said that. Yes, sir. 11:06:07 13 start on page 64 of the article on the third full 11:02:47 13 Q. Okay. With respect to the American Society of 11:06:09 14 paragraph that starts with "Permissible concentrations." 11:02:50 14 Mechanical Engineering articles, would you agree that if 11:06:27 15 A. Yes, I see that, sir. 11:03:02 15 John Leslie had read them, then he had known about 11:06:33 16 Q. And it says, "For both Silica and asbestos, 11:03:03 16 asbestos hazards? 11:06:37 17 five million particles per cubic foot is considered the 11:03:06 17 MR. HUGO: Objection; lacks foundation, calls 11:06:40 18 maximum working concentration." Do you see that? 11:03:09 18 for speculation. 11:06:42 19 A. Yes, sir. 11:03:12 19 THE WITNESS: I believe if John would have read 11:06:43 20 Q. Leslie did not tell you anything about this 11:03:13 20 an article about asbestos in general being hazardous, he 11:06:47 21 standard, did they, when you went to work for them in 11:03:16 21 would have known about it. Yes, sir. 11:06:51 22 the 1960s? 11:03:19 22 BY MR. GALIHER: 11:06:52 23 A. No, sir. The article has nothing to do with 11:03:20 23 Q. Okay. 11:06:52 24 us. 11:03:26 24 (Discussion off the record.) 11:07:23 25 MR. GALIHER: Move to strike as nonresponsive. 11:03:26 25 BY MR. GALIHER: 11:07:33 Page 63 Page 65 17 (Pages 62 to 65) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 Q. Next I'll show you what we'll mark as Exhibit 11:07:33 1 Q. Yes. On the right-hand column in the middle. 11:24:25 2 10, "Transactions of the American Society of Mechanical 11:07:37 2 A. I found it. 11:24:27 3 Engineers, 1940." 11:07:39 3 Q. Okay. And can you identify Mr. John S. Leslie? 11:24:28 4 (Plaintiffs' Exhibit 10 marked.) 11:08:45 4 A. Yes, sir. That's what it says here. 11:24:33 5 BY MR. GALIHER: 11:08:45 5 Q. And it indicates he is the president of Leslie 11:24:35 6 Q. Can I direct your attention to the last page, 11:08:46 6 Company? 11:24:40 7 and can you find on there where John Leslie is 11:08:48 7 A. Yes, sir. 11:24:40 8 identified as a member of the American Society of 11:08:53 8 Q. And that's located in Lyndhurst, New Jersey? 11:24:40 9 Mechanical Engineers? 11:08:56 9 A. Yes, sir. 11:24:43 10 A. Yes, sir, I have. 11:08:57 10 Q. And, again, he indicates that he first became a 11:24:43 11 Q. And he is a member of the Lyndhurst 11:08:59 11 member in 1935; is that correct? 11:24:46 12 Metropolitan Section? 11:09:07 12 A. Again, it looks like maybe 1945. 11:24:47 13 A. That's what it says here. Yes, sir. 11:09:09 13 Q. Well, we can go up to the front where I think 11:24:50 14 Q. And Lyndhurst is, in fact, where the Leslie 11:09:11 14 it explains that. I think somehow it's stated it's 11:24:53 15 manufacturing plant was located; is that correct? 11:09:13 15 changed, but we're happy to do that. I'm just 11:24:58 16 A. Yes, sir. 11:09:15 16 interested in the first date, but we'll go to the second 11:24:59 17 Q. And it indicates there that he was a member 11:09:16 17 one, too, if you want to explore that. 11:25:02 18 since 1935; is that correct? 11:09:20 18 A. I'm just saying I don't know what that means. 11:25:06 19 A. That's what it looks like, sir, yes. I can 11:09:23 19 Q. Okay. It indicates that -- 11:25:08 20 partly read it, but yes. 11:09:27 20 A. Was that a break in -- I don't know. 11:25:12 21 MR. GALIHER: And then next I will mark as 11:09:44 21 Q. It says on page Roman numeral VII, Roman 11:25:15 22 Exhibit 11 -- 11:09:47 22 numeral VII, alphabetical list. Did you find that? 11:25:25 23 THE WITNESS: Is this a good time to take -- 11:09:48 23 A. Yes, sir. 11:25:31 24 MR. GALIHER: Good time. I'll take that back. 11:09:50 24 Q. It says, "Each entry of the alphabetical list 11:25:31 25 We'll take our recess. We went a little longer. I 11:09:53 25 covers the member's grade and year ofmembership. The 11:25:35 Page 66 Page 68 1 apologize. 2 THEWITNESS: It'sokay. 3 MR. GALIHER: We'll break for ten minutes. 4 THEVIDEOGRAPHER: Thismarkstheendof 5 videotape number one in the deposition of Matthew Wrobel on December 1st, 2009. We are now off the record. The 7 time on the screen is 11:10. 8 (Recess.) 9 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are now on the record. 11:09:57 11:09:57 11:09:59 11:10:01 11:10:03 11:10:08 11:10:12 2 3 4 5 7 11:22:14 11:22:14 9 dates and symbols in parentheses immediately following the name of a member indicate the grade of his membership and the year or election or promotion to each grade." Do you see that? A. Yes, sir. I don't know if I understand what that means, but I see it. Q. And it would appear that he had some sort of different grade of membership as of -- A. 1946. 11:25:39 11:25:42 11:25:45 11:25:48 11:25:49 11:25:53 11:25:55 11:25:59 11:26:01 10 The time on the screen is 11:23 a.m. This marks the 11:23:16 10 Q. '45, but the original membership would have 11:26:02 11 beginning of tape two in the deposition of Matthew 11:23:20 11 been in 1935. 11:26:05 12 Wrobel on December 1st, 2009. 13 (Plaintiffs' Exhibit 11 marked.) 11:23:23 12 11:23:26 13 A. Okay. MR. HUGO: It lacks foundation, calls for 11:26:06 11:26:06 14 BY MR. GALIHER: 11:23:26 14 speculation. 11:26:08 15 Q. Next I'll hand you what I've marked as 11:23:27 15 BY MR. GALIHER: 11:26:09 16 Exhibit 11, an American Society of Mechanical Engineers 11:23:30 16 Q. Do you interpret that meaning he first joined 11:26:11 17 membership list dated December 1948. Do you see that? 11:23:38 17 in 1935? 11:26:14 18 A. Yes, sir. 19 Q. You can take whatever time you want to review 20 that, and then I'm going to direct your attention to the 11:23:42 18 11:23:44 19 11:23:47 20 MR. HUGO: Same objections. THEWITNESS: Yes. BY MR. GALIHER: 11:26:15 11:26:16 11:26:16 21 last page, 140, and have you see if you can identify 11:23:51 21 Q. Okay. Thank you. 11:26:17 22 John S. Leslie as an ASME member on that page. 23 MR. HUGO: Do you want to direct him to the 24 column? 25 BY MR. GALIHER: 11:24:02 22 11:24:21 23 11:24:24 24 11:24:24 25 Did you know a Mr. Boettiger, Russell? William Boettiger? A. Boettiger I think was the right pronunciation. Q. I apologize. 11:26:36 11:26:43 11:26:43 11:26:46 Page 67 Page 69 18 (Pages 66 to 69) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 A. That's okay. 11:26:48 1 Q. Okay. That's fine. Iwillshowthesetoyou. 11:29:16 2 Q. He was a sales manager? 11:26:49 2 I have them highlighted, those names, and you can just 11:29:20 3 A. I don't believe I ever met the man, but I heard 11:26:50 3 review those real quick and make sure we were talking 11:29:23 4 the name. 11:26:53 4 about the same people. Then I'll staple those two to 5 Q. Okay. You knew he was affiliated with the 11:26:53 5 Exhibit --1 think it was 11. 6 Leslie Company somehow? 11:26:55 6 MR. O'CONNELL: Yes. 11:29:26 11:29:31 11:29:33 7 A. Yes, sir. 11:26:56 7 THE WITNESS: The pronunciation was Scelba. 11:29:41 8 MR. GALIHER: This goes to that exhibit? 9 MS. WAXMAN: Yeah. 10 MR. GALIHER: I apologize. I -- 11:27:00 8 11:27:02 9 11:27:03 10 BY MR. GALIHER: Q. Scelba? A. (Witness nods head.) 11:29:44 11:29:44 11:29:46 11 MR. HUGO: You want him to go back to 11? 11:27:03 11 MR. GALIHER: I don't have a staple, but I have 11:30:07 12 MR. GALIHER: 11, and I'm going to have to add 11:27:07 12 the paper clip. I'll affix those to Exhibit 11, and I 13 some pages to 11 that weren't there. I have them here 11:27:10 13 would ask the court reporter if you would kindly staple 11:30:09 11:30:18 14 in my hand. And I will staple them on, but I'm going to 11:27:13 14 those for me together so they don't get mixed up. 11:30:21 15 hand them to you. 11:27:17 15 THE COURT REPORTER: Sure. 11:30:43 16 Q. Boettiger, Russell, appears on page 22. On 11:27:20 16 MR. GALIHER: Next I'll mark as Plaintiffs' 17 page 79, there is a Fuhro, F-u-h -- 11:27:24 17 Exhibit 12 a mechanical engineering publication entitled 18 A. Fuhro. 11:27:32 18 "Mechanical Engineering," published by the American 11:30:47 11:32:11 11:32:24 19 Q. Fuhro? 11:27:33 19 Society of Mechanical Engineers dated May 1939. 11:32:27 20 A. Yeah. 21 Q. Alfred? 11:27:33 20 11:27:35 21 (Plaintiffs' Exhibit 12 marked.) BY MR. GALIHER: 11:32:36 11:33:12 22 A. Yeah. 11:27:35 22 Q. You can take a look at that for however long 11:33:13 23 Q. He was the plant manager? 11:27:37 23 you want. I'm going to direct your attention to the 11:33:16 24 A. Okay. 25 Q. Did you know him or know of him? 11:27:38 24 11:27:39 25 lastpage. Ithink it's405. Onthefarright-hand column, see if you find a textbook reviewed entitled 11:33:18 11:33:26 Page 70 Page 72 1 A. I heard --1 don't remember if I ever met the 11:27:47 1 "Silicosis and Asbestosis." 11:33:34 2 man or not, but I heard his name. 11:27:50 2 A. This appears to be a list of books or articles. 11:33:45 3 Q. Okay. And on page 227, there is a Sten 11:27:52 3 Q. Okay. That were reviewed in that publication, 11:33:47 4 Soderberg, S-o-d -- 11:28:10 4 "Mechanical Engineering"? 11:33:51 5 A. Sten Soderberg. 11:28:10 5 MR. HUGO: Lack of foundation, calls for 11:34:01 Q. -- Soderberg, chief engineer of Leslie Company, 11:28:14 6 speculation, hearsay. 11:34:03 7 Lyndhurst. 11:28:16 7 THE WITNESS: It says, "Reviews of Books and -- 11:34:11 8 Did you know him or know of him? 11:28:17 8 Notes and Books Received in the Engineering Society's 11:34:13 9 A. I knew of him. He was not there when I --1 11:28:18 9 Library." So I have to assume these are books that the 11:34:17 10 don't believe he was there. 11:28:21 10 ASME has. 11:34:20 11 THE COURT REPORTER: What's the spelling? 11:28:21 11 BY MR. GALIHER: 11:34:21 12 THEWITNESS: Soderberg. Spellit 11:28:28 12 Q. Okay. And that they reviewed in their 11:34:21 13 phonetically. 11:28:28 13 publication; is that correct? 11:34:23 14 MR. HUGO: Gary, can you spell it? 11:28:29 14 A. It says, "Reviews of Books and Books Received." 11:34:23 15 MR. GALIHER: I'm sorry. S-o-d-e-r-b-e-r-g 11:28:34 15 So I'm assuming that the ones on this page have been 11:34:29 16 first name Sten, S-t-e-n. 11:28:39 16 reviewed unless I'm reading it wrong. 11:34:35 17 Q. And last, Anthony Scelba, S-c-e-l-b-a, did you 11:28:45 17 Q. No. That's fine. 11:34:37 18 know Mr. Scelba or know of a Mr. Scelba? 11:28:55 18 A. This has been reviewed -- well, let me look 11:34:38 19 A. I've heard the name. I've never met the 11:28:59 19 what it says for the one you are pointing out to me. 11:34:41 20 gentleman. 11:29:02 20 Well, it gives a description of the book itself. So -- 11:34:45 21 Q. Would it be common for these gentlemen we just 11:29:02 21 Q. Just so we are clear, the exhibit that you have 11:34:50 22 discussed also to be members of the American Society of 11:29:07 22 in front of you, Exhibit 12, is entitled "Mechanical 11:35:02 23 Mechanical Engineers? 11:29:11 23 Engineering," and it says it's published by the American 11:35:08 24 A. I don't know if the word "common" is. They 11:29:13 24 Society of Mechanical Engineers; is that correct? 11:35:10 25 are. 11:29:16 25 A. Yes, sir, it does. 11:35:12 Page 71 Page 73 19 (Pages 70 to 73) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 Q. It says, "Contents for May," what year? 11:35:15 1 (Brief pause in proceedings.) 11:37:22 2 A. May 1939. 3 Q. Okay. And on that title page, on the front 11:35:18 2 11:35:20 3 THEWITNESS: Okay. I'vereadit,sir. BY MR. GALIHER: 11:37:24 11:37:31 4 page where the index is, what does it indicate appears 11:35:26 4 Q. Whatisthe title of the book? 11:37:32 5 on page 402? 11:35:30 5 A. "Silicosis and Asbestosis." I believe that's 11:37:33 6 A. It says, "Reviews of Books." 11:35:31 what it says. 11:37:36 7 Q. Okay. And ifwe go to 402, is that, in fact. 8 what the page is entitled, "Review of Books"? 11:35:35 7 11:35:41 8 Q. And who is the author? A. It says, "By various authors." 11:37:37 11:37:40 9 MR. HUGO: It says, "Reviews." There is an 11:35:44 9 Q. And who edited it? 11:37:45 10 "s." 11:35:46 10 A. Well, is that Lanza? 11:37:48 11 THE WITNESS: I'm trying to understand because 11:35:49 11 Q. A.J. Lanza? 11:37:49 12 -- 11:35:51 12 A. That's what it says. 11:37:51 13 MR. HUGO: He just want you to look -- for now, 11:35:51 13 Q. And who published it? 11:37:52 14 this question, he just wants you to look at the title on 11:35:54 14 A. Oxford University Press. Is that what it is? 11:37:53 15 that page. 11:35:57 15 London? 11:38:04 16 THE WITNESS: It says, "Reviews of Books." 11:35:57 16 Q. That would be both in London and New York? 11:38:04 17 BY MR. GALIHER: 11:35:59 17 A. That's what it says here. Yes, sir. 11:38:06 18 Q. It's plural, "Reviews"? 11:36:00 18 Q. And what year was this book entitled "Silicosis 11:38:08 19 A. "Books," correct. 11:36:01 19 and Asbestosis" published both in New York and London? 11:38:12 20 Q. And ifyou would go to page 405 ofthose 11:36:02 20 MR. HUGO: It presumes facts, calls for 11:38:16 21 Reviews of Books. 11:36:08 21 speculation, lacks foundation. 11:38:18 22 A. Yes, sir. This is where I have a little 11:36:11 22 THE WITNESS: The date here is either 1936 or 11:38:19 23 hang-up if you don't mind me explaining. 11:36:14 23 1938. It's hard to read on this copy. Yeah, one or the 11:38:22 24 Q. Sure. 11:36:16 24 other. 11:38:27 25 A. If you look at that page where it says, 11:36:17 25 BY MR. GALIHER: 11:38:27 Page 74 Page 76 1 "Reviews of Books," it says -- let's just take the 2 internal combustion engine. That's an article that 3 reviewed the book. The following, just says, "Books 4 Received in the Library." It doesn't necessarily say 5 they were reviewed. That's all I'm saying. 6 Q. Good point. 7 So this was a book that was available -- in 8 fact, was actually received -- by the Society of 9 Mechanical Engineers for their library, and this 10 publication was informing their readership that this 11:36:19 1 11:36:21 2 11:36:25 3 11:36:28 4 11:36:31 5 11:36:32 6 11:36:32 7 11:36:34 8 11:36:40 9 11:36:42 10 Q. And are the diseases asbestosis and silicosis described as industrial dust diseases? A. It says it's "A comprehensive presentation of the medical and public health aspects of these industrial dust diseases is provided in this book to which several physicians have contributed. The history of the disease, their symptoms, and diagnosis, their" -is that "pathology"? I can't read it -- "and their prevalence in various occupations are discussed, as well as methods of prevention and control. This section has 11:38:28 11:38:36 11:38:40 11:38:44 11:38:47 11:38:52 11:38:55 11:39:01 11:39:04 11:39:08 11 book was available and giving them more details on it; 11:36:46 11 a bibliography." 11:39:12 12 is that correct? 11:36:50 12 Q. I will just ask you to keep that page open on 11:39:14 13 MR. HUGO: Lack of foundation, calls for 11:36:50 13 that exhibit, and then I'm going to hand you this book, 11:39:17 14 speculation, and hearsay. 11:36:52 14 and see if that appears to be the book that is reviewed, 11:39:20 15 THE WITNESS: I read it the same way, that they 16 received a book. It's in their library. 17 BY MR. GALIHER: 18 Q. Okay. What did they share with their readers 19 on page 405 about a book entitled "Silicosis and 20 Asbestosis"? 21 MR. HUGO: You just want him to read it? 22 BY MR. GALIHER: 23 Q. Yeah. You can read it to yourself, and then 24 I'll ask you some questions. 25 A. Okay. 11:36:53 15 11:36:55 16 11:36:57 17 11:36:58 18 11:37:00 19 11:37:05 20 11:37:11 21 11:37:11 22 11:37:15 23 11:37:17 24 11:37:19 25 or that is identified as what has been received by the mechanical engineering library. MR. HUGO: Lacks foundation, calls for speculation, and hearsay. THE WITNESS: It appears to be the book, sir. BY MR. GALIHER: Q. Okay. And it indicates that it's edited by A.J. Lanza, M.D.; isthat correct? A. That's what it says here, sir. Q. I'm going to hand counsel what I've marked as Exhibit 13, and that will have the excerpts that I'm 11:39:24 11:39:27 11:39:30 11:39:31 11:39:58 11:40:01 11:40:01 11:40:10 11:40:13 11:40:17 11:40:22 Page 75 Page 77 20 (Pages 74 to 77) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 going to refer you to in that book. 2 (Plaintiffs' Exhibit 13 marked.) 3 BY MR. GALIHER: 11:40:25 1 11:40:25 2 11:40:25 3 Leslie started selling its productstothe United States Navy; is that correct? A. Yes, sir. 11:43:04 11:43:08 11:43:08 4 Q. On the second page of that exhibit, does it 11:40:34 4 Q. And then it says, "A second case was reported 11:43:09 5 indicate the year that it was published? 6 A. There's no page number, but the second page 7 that I've turned to says, "Copyright 1938." And then 8 the other one, it has a date of February 24th, 1938. 9 Q. Does it appears to indicate that it was, in 11:40:44 5 11:40:52 6 11:40:55 7 11:41:00 8 11:41:05 9 by Cooke in 1924 and again in 1927"; is that correct? A. Yes, sir. But this is talking about asbestos in general, not gasket or packing. MR. GALIHER: I move to strike as nonresponsive. 11:43:13 11:43:17 11:43:21 11:43:24 11:43:26 10 fact, 1938 and not 1936? 11:41:08 10 Q. In the United States -- when were the first 11:43:31 11 MR. HUGO: Objection; lacks foundation, calls 11:41:10 11 cases reported in the United States? And I'll direct 11:43:41 12 for speculation, and hearsay. 11:41:12 12 your attention to the third paragraph? 11:43:44 13 THE WITNESS: Well, this reads 1938. The other 11:41:13 13 MR. HUGO: Objection; hearsay, lacks 11:43:46 14 one looks like 1938 also. So -- 11:41:14 14 foundation. 11:43:46 15 BY MR. GALIHER: 11:41:18 15 THE WITNESS: It says first reported in 1930. 11:43:50 16 Q. Okay. 11:41:19 16 BY MR. GALIHER: 11:43:54 17 A. Okay. 11:41:19 17 Q. Okay. Going ahead to page 244 in the text, and 11:43:54 18 Q. On page 23 of the text, see if I have that -- 11:41:19 18 I have copies in Exhibit 13 of those pages. Can you 11:44:07 19 hopefully, I have that copied in Exhibit 13. 11:41:29 19 find that, where it says 244 and 245 up at the top? 11:44:12 20 A. I'm sorry. What page again, sir? 11:41:34 20 A. Yes, sir. I believe it's last page of this 11:44:17 21 Q. Page 23. 11:41:37 21 exhibit. 11:44:22 22 MR. HUGO: On the upper right-hand corner. 11:41:43 22 Q. Okay. And in 1938, can you tell us what is 11:44:23 23 THE WITNESS: I'm looking. They are Roman 11:41:45 23 listed as a complication and sequela ofthe disease 11:44:28 24 numerals. 11:41:46 24 under subparagraph (f)? 11:44:33 25 BY MR. GALIHER: 11:41:46 25 MR. HUGO: Objection; calls for hearsay, lacks 11:44:35 Page 78 Page 80 1 Q. The page numbers would be in the upper 11:41:47 1 foundation. 11:44:4 5 2 right-hand corner, I think. 11:41:49 2 THE WITNESS: How do you pronounce that? 11:44:4 5 3 A. You are talking about Roman numeral 23? 4 MR. HUGO: No. I think he is talking about-- 11:42:03 11:42:05 3 4 BY MR. GALIHER: Q. Carcinoma? 11:44:47 11:44:48 5 MR. GALIHER: Hold on. Let me get back here. 11:42:08 5 A. Okay. "Has been found in six cases examined by 11:44:49 Do we have -- 11:42:11 6 the writer at autopsy." I'm sorry. And your question, 11:44:51 7 THEWITNESS: Oh,okay. 8 MR. HUGO: Page 23, right here. 11:42:11 11:42:13 7 8 again, was, sir? Q. What was Dr. Lanza reporting in 1938 as a 11:45:00 11:45:01 9 BY MR. GALIHER: 11:42:18 9 complication and sequela ofthe disease under 11:45:06 10 Q. Yes, I do? 11:42:19 10 subparagraph (f)? 11:45:10 11 A. Okay. 12 Q. See where it says, "History," and then it has 11:42:19 11 11:42:20 12 MR. HUGO: Well, I object. That calls for hearsay, and the question is misleading because the next 11:45:14 11:45:16 13 -14 A. It's on 22 and then goes over to 23. 11:42:24 13 11:42:24 14 sentence is "Until more statistics are available, it is impossible to draw any very definite conclusions as to 11:45:20 11:45:23 15 Q. Okay. On page 23 of this 1938 text on the 11:42:28 15 the relationship of the two diseases, et cetera." 16 second full paragraph, when does Dr. Lanza indicate that 11:42:37 16 BY MR. GALIHER: 17 the first reported death resulting from asbestos dust 11:42:44 17 Q. My question again: What does Dr. Lanza 11:45:28 11:45:32 11:45:32 18 was reported? 11:42:48 18 indicate is a complication and sequela under 11:45:36 19 MR. HUGO: Objection; calls for hearsay, lacks 20 foundation. 21 THEWITNESS: I'll read from this. It says, 11:42:49 19 11:42:51 20 11:42:51 21 subparagraph (f)? MR. HUGO: Same objections. THE WITNESS: Why don't I just read this? 11:45:41 11:45:41 11:45:42 22 "The first report of death resulting from asbestos dust 11:42:54 22 MR. GALIHER: Okay. 11:45:52 23 inhalation was presented by Murray in 1900." 24 BY MR. GALIHER: 25 Q. Okay. So that was actually three years before 11:42:57 23 11:43:02 24 11:43:03 25 (Brief pause in proceedings.) THE WITNESS: "Has been found in six cases examined" -- 11:45:54 11:45:56 11:45:57 Page 79 Page 81 21 (Pages 78 to 81) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 BY MR. GALIHER: 11:45:58 1 Q. And Leslie nevertested regarding the hazards 11:48:58 2 Q. Back up. 11:45:58 2 of asbestos? 11:49:01 3 MR. HUGO: "Carcinoma." 11:46:02 3 A. Not to my knowledge, sir. 11:49:02 4 MR. GALIHER: Carcinoma. 11:46:03 4 Q. And after OSHA, 1972, you have no idea if 11:49:03 5 THE WITNESS: "Carcinoma has been found in six 11:46:04 5 Leslie knew asbestos killed people? 11:49:08 6 cases examined by the writer at autopsy. Until more 11:46:07 6 A. I don't know that, sir, no. 11:49:11 7 statistics are available, it is impossible to draw any 11:46:10 7 Q. And Leslie does not know when it first learned 11:49:13 8 definite conclusions as to the relation of the two 11:46:13 8 that asbestos was hazardous? 11:49:19 9 diseases. The point noted up to the present are (1) 11:46:17 9 A. I know when I first learned. I believeit was 11:49:21 10 five out of six cases of carcinoma have been of the 11:46:22 10 mid-'80s -- somewhere around there -- through oral 11:49:29 11 squamous" -- 11:46:26 11 conversation. 11:49:29 12 MR. HUGO: Squamous. 11:46:27 12 Q. My question to you is: Leslie Corporation does 11:49:32 13 THE WITNESS: -- "squamous variety, the sixth 11:46:28 13 not know when it first learned that asbestos was 11:49:35 14 being an oat cell carcinoma." Yeah. Okay. "Four out 11:46:29 14 hazardous? 11:49:38 15 of the six have been associated with asbestos (sic) 11:46:37 15 A. Not to my knowledge, sir. 11:49:39 16 which was fairly and long-standing" -- 11:46:38 16 Q. And you don't know if Leslie had knowledge of 11:49:40 17 MR. HUGO: "Asbestosis." 11:46:42 17 asbestos hazards when OSHA came out? 11:49:47 18 THE WITNESS: -- "asbestosis -- in four cases" 11:46:45 18 A. Not to my knowledge, sir. 11:49:50 19 -- 11:46:47 19 Q. And you would agree that -- with the American 11:49:51 20 MR. HUGO: "Carcinoma." 11:46:47 20 Society of Mechanical Engineers articles, you would 11:49:55 21 THE WITNESS: "the carcinoma consisted of an 11:46:48 21 agree if John Leslie had read them, then he would know 11:50:01 22 isolated nodule only; the nodules were in the portions 11:46:51 22 about asbestos hazards? 11:50:04 23 of the lung most affected by the asbestosis. I.e. -- 11:46:56 23 A. Asbestos hazards in general, yes, sir. 11:50:05 24 MR. HUGO: "Basal or peripheral." 11:47:05 24 Q. With respect to -- Leslie sold to the Navy 25 THE WITNESS: -- "basal or peripheral; only 11:47:07 25 self-contained pressure regulators? 11:50:07 11:50:18 Page 82 Page 84 1 showed secondary growths, one in" -- 11:47:07 1 A. Yes, sir. 11 :50:21 2 MR. HUGO: "Pericardium." 11:47:12 2 Q. Self-contained pump pressure regulators? 11 :50:2 2 3 THEWITNESS: Thankyou. 4 MR. HUGO: "Thoracic wall." 11:47:13 11:47:13 3 4 A. Yes, sir. Q. Self-contained control valves? 11:50:26 11:50:26 5 THE WITNESS: "Thoracic wall, liver, and kidney 11:47:17 5 A. Does it say self-contained because control 11:50:28 and other in thoracic vertebrae." I'm not a doctor. So 11:47:18 6 valves weren't self-contained? By that, I mean it 11:50:37 7 -8 BY MR. GALIHER: 11:47:42 11:47:42 7 8 doesn't work by itself. Q. It sold control valves -- 11:50:40 11:50:42 9 Q. Okay. In any event, no one from Leslie told 11:47:42 9 A. It sold control valves -- 11:50:45 10 you about any hazards associated with asbestos prior to 11:47:46 10 Q. -- containers? 11:50:45 11 the 1980s; is that correct? 12 A. Not to my knowledge, sir. 11:47:53 11 11:47:55 12 A. -- yes, sir. Q. How about air-reducing valves? 11:50:46 11:50:47 13 Q. In your capacity as a witness for Leslie 11:47:56 13 A. Yes, sir. 11:50:49 14 Corporation, have you investigated and spoken to former 11:48:05 14 Q. And catapult valves? 11:50:50 15 employees about the hazards of asbestos? 16 A. I've researched all -- you know, thousands of 17 documents. I really haven't talked to anybody. There 11:48:10 15 11:48:16 16 11:48:19 17 A. Yes, sir. Through what date, sir? Q. I'm sorry? A. What date? 11:50:58 11:51:00 11:51:01 18 is nobody older than me or with more longevity since I 11:48:27 18 MR. HUGO: He is asking ever at this point. 11:51:01 19 started doing this. 20 Q. Did you make any effort to contact former 21 employees? 11:48:35 19 11:48:36 20 11:48:38 21 BY MR. GALIHER: Q. What dates are you aware of that Leslie sold catapult -- 11:51:03 11:51:03 11:51:07 22 A. On that subject, no, sir. 11:48:39 22 A. Catapult valves? 11:51:07 23 Q. And you have no idea of the knowledge of Leslie 24 regarding asbestos hazards between 1920 and 1970? 25 A. No, sir, I do not. 11:48:46 23 11:48:50 24 11:48:57 25 Q. -- valves to the United States Navy? A. It was somewhere, I believe, in the '50s when it started, sir. 11:51:07 11:51:09 11:51:12 Page 83 Page 85 22 (Pages 82 to 85) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 Q. Okay. And Leslie sold heaters to the Navy? 2 A. Yes, sir. That didn't start until somewhere in 11:51:13 11:51:25 2 BY MR. GALIHER: Q. Okay. I think I got the picture. Thank you. 11:55:30 11:55:31 3 the '60s, I believe. 11:51:30 3 And with respect to the naval equipment that 11:55:42 4 Q. Okay. And they sold steam whistles to the 11:51:31 4 we've been describing here, they were generally 11:55:46 5 Navy; is that correct? A. Yes, sir. 7 Q. And Leslie made whistles from the 1930s to the 11:51:35 11:51:36 11:51:37 5 7 commercial equivalents to the Navy pump regulators, were they not? A. Similar valves to the--okay. When I say 11:55:51 11:55:55 11:55:56 8 1980s? 11:51:50 commercial equivalent, I mean the operation is the same. 11:56:03 9 A. Yes, sir. 11:51:50 9 There are things that are definitely different, but they 11:56:06 10 Q. And on the Fletcher class destroyers we 11:51:51 10 are similar in operation. 11:56:09 11 discussed, Leslie sold pump pressure regulators, 11:52:05 11 Q. You call it a commercial equivalent, do you 11:56:10 12 reducing-valve temperature regulators, and control 11:52:11 12 not? 11:56:15 13 valves, as well as whistles? 11:52:16 13 A. This is not a bad term, but there's 11:56:15 14 A. I know definitely that they sold pump pressure 11:52:18 14 differences. 11:56:18 15 regulators. I wouldn't be surprised if the other ones 11:52:25 15 Q. The materials of the commercial pump governor 11:56:19 16 are there, too. I just don't have any shipment 11:52:28 16 are basically the same as the Navy product; is that 11:56:23 17 equipment records on those, sir. 11:52:32 17 correct? 11:56:26 18 Q. Have you given sworn testimony as to what 11:53:14 18 A. Basically the same if the class is the same. 11:56:26 19 equipment was aboard Fletcher class destroyers as being 11:53:16 19 However, there could be some large differences in -- 11:56:36 20 "Pump pressure regulators. It's also called pump 11:53:20 20 there may be a cast steel, especially for the earlier 11:56:46 21 governor on occasion, depending on who is using the 11:53:24 21 ones, where -- so we have a commercial version. I'm 11:56:49 22 term, reducing valves, temperature regulators. There 23 may be control valves, I believe, a whistle"? 11:53:26 22 11:53:30 23 trying to give you an example. I'm trying to help as much as possible. 11:56:53 11:56:53 24 A. Yes, sir. That's true. 11:53:34 24 An example would be -- let's say it's a 11:56:57 25 Q. Leslie also acquired other valve companies, 11:53:38 25 commercial pump governor, and the body is made out of 11:56:59 Page 86 Page 88 1 like Kelly Mueller; isthat correct? 11:53:43 1 like ASTM 816 carbon steel. There is an equivalent that 11:57:03 2 A. Yes, sir. But that was after we moved to 11:53:45 2 could be a mil spec, too, for the military, but the 11:57:11 3 Tampa. 11:53:48 3 materials are similar. One would be carbon steel. The 11:57:14 4 Q. Leslie sold itswhistles pre-insulated for 11:53:56 4 other one would be carbon steel. 11:57:19 5 steam application; is that correct? 11:54:01 5 Q. Have you testified before with respect to 11:57:21 6 A. Some of them, yes, sir. 11:54:02 6 specific valves that the commercial version set forth 11:57:34 7 Q. And with respect to Leslie drawings for 11:54:07 7 were the same as those used -- as the Navy version -- 11:57:44 8 equipment that happened to go aboard LSD ships, those 11:54:13 8 MR. HUGO: I object -- 11:57:44 9 drawings were not unique to any ship? 11:54:21 9 BY MR. GALIHER: 11:57:44 10 A. What kind of ship, sir? 11:54:26 10 Q. -- your answer, "Basically, the materials are 11:57:50 11 Q. I think it was LSD if I wrote it right. 11:54:27 11 the same"? 11:57:52 12 A. I'd have to see the drawing. 11:54:32 12 MR. HUGO: Objection. Just a second. Thank 11:57:52 13 Q. August 17th, 2006, page 39. There were some 11:54:38 13 you. Wait a second. Objection; vague and ambiguous as 11:57:54 14 drawings that were referenced. 11:54:54 14 to "specific valves" and hearsay as to the prior 11:57:56 15 "These drawings that are referenced for the 11:54:56 15 testimony. Go ahead. 11:58:00 16 LSD-28 through 35 ships, are they unique to the LSD 11:55:00 16 THE WITNESS: I think that's just what I said 11:58:01 17 ships, or are they just common pump pressure regulator 11:55:05 17 there. Basically, but there may be some differences. 11:58:05 18 drawings? 11:55:08 18 Okay? Similar to. I think I used the word "similar"; 11:58:07 19 "A. They are not unique to any ship." 11:55:10 19 is that right? 11:58:10 20 MR. HUGO: Objection as to--vagueand 11:55:12 20 BY MR. GALIHER: 11:58:10 21 ambiguous as to what drawings are being discussed. 11:55:14 21 Q. The answer here was, "Basically, the materials 11:58:10 22 THE WITNESS: I don't honestly remember what 11:55:18 22 are the same." Did you give that testimony under oath? 11:58:14 23 drawings we are talking about. Okay? But drawings for 11:55:21 23 A. Yes, sir. 11:58:19 24 a pump pressure regulator, depending on the class of 11:55:23 24 Q. About 30 percent of Leslie valves were for Navy 11:58:20 25 size, could be used interchangeably on ships. 11:55:27 25 use and 70 percent were non-Navy? 11:58:34 Page 87 Page 89 23 (Pages 86 to 89) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 MR. HUGO: Vague as to time. 2 THE WITNESS: I may be a little confused on the 11:58:37 11:58:45 1 2 asbestos, yes, sir -Q. Okay. 3 -- on how you are asking it. 11:58:48 3 A. -- except for the Navy who mandated it. 4 MR. HUGO: Just ask about his question, not 11:58:56 4 Q. With respect to your use of asbestos gaskets, 5 about something you think was done in the past. So if you don't understand his question now, tell him and he 11:58:58 11:59:01 5 6 you would have continued to purchase asbestos gaskets and use them if you could still have gotten them in the 7 can rephrase it or repeat it. 11:59:03 7 1980s; is that correct? 8 BY MR. GALIHER: 11:59:04 8 A. To the best of my knowledge, yes, sir. 9 Q. Let's say from 1960 to 1990. 11:59:05 9 Q. And Leslie continued to use asbestos gaskets or 10 MR. HUGO: That's a pretty good objection then. 11:59:09 10 packing after they were told in 1984, that the amount of 11 BY MR. GALIHER: 11:59:12 11 triple A asbestos left in the world is limited. 12 Q. "What percentage of Leslie valves were for 11:59:16 12 Insurance companies will no longer insure producers of 13 marine use, and what percentage of the valves were sold 11:59:19 13 asbestos yarn at any cost. It is only a matter of time 14 for non-marine use?" "Let's go with Navy and non-Navy." 11:59:22 14 until asbestos will simply not be available; is that 15 "Okay. Navy and non-Navy. Do you have a percentage as 11:59:27 15 correct? 16 to what percentage was Navy and what percentage was 11:59:31 16 A. I believe I've seen that letter. 17 non-Navy?" 11:59:36 17 Q. Okay. And thatletter is dated August 23, 18 A. 30, 70 is not a bad number. 11:59:43 18 1984. Leslie continued to sell and market 19 Q. So 30 percent went to the United States Navy, 11:59:44 19 asbestos-containing products after that date, did it 20 and the other 70 percent went to non-Navy uses; is that 11:59:48 20 not? 21 correct? 11:59:51 21 A. That was what? 1984? 22 A. M-hm. This not a bad number, sir. 23 Q. Have you given that testimony under oath 11:59:51 22 11:59:53 23 Q. Correct? A. Yes, sir. 24 before? 11:59:56 24 Q. Leslie incorporated Johns Manville gaskets in 25 A. Yes, I have, sir. 11:59:56 25 their products? 12:01:44 12:01:44 12:01:46 12:01:51 12:02:03 12:02:06 12:02:09 12:02:10 12:02:11 12:03:20 12:03:28 12:03:32 12:03:35 12:03:40 12:03:43 12:03:43 12:03:46 12:03:56 12:04:00 12:04:01 12:04:02 12:04:05 12:04:06 12:04:06 12:04:23 Page 90 Page 92 1 Q. With respect to the non-Navy uses versus the 11:59:57 1 A. I remember receiving gaskets from Johns 12 :04:2 4 2 Navy uses, the valves were similar, but there were 12:00:13 2 Manville. Yes, sir. 12:04:27 3 discrete differences. For instance, cast iron not 12:00:18 3 Q. And Leslie incorporated compressed asbestos 12:04:28 4 allowed for Navy valves. Navy uses steel and bronze. 5 Would that be correct? 12:00:22 4 12:00:25 5 gasket material from Raybestos Manhattan that it incorporated in its products? 12:04:33 12:04:37 6 A. Yes, sir. 12:00:26 6 A. I remember as a receiving inspector seeing 12:04:39 7 Q. Regardless of who the customer is, the process 12:00:27 7 gaskets from that manufacturer, sir. 12:04:42 8 is the same for each type of valve that Leslie makes; is 12:00:32 8 Q. And likewise, Leslie incorporated asbestos 12:04:44 9 that correct? 12:00:37 9 gasket material from Garlock -- is that correct? -- in 12:04:54 10 MR. HUGO: Objection; vague as to "process." 12:00:37 10 their product? 12:04:59 11 THE WITNESS: The basic manufacturing process 12:00:41 11 A. I remember seeing gaskets coming in from 12:04:59 12 is the same, sir. That's what I'm referring to. 12:00:43 12 Garlock also, sir. 12:05:03 13 BY MR. GALIHER: 12:00:45 13 Q. In 1986, Leslie was still selling Lubrisoft, 14 Q. "And after the Navy though, Power Generation is 12:00:46 14 which was an asbestos-containing material; is that 12:05:04 12:06:08 15 the number two customer"; is that correct? 12:00:49 15 correct? 12:06:12 16 A. I believe at the time that question was asked. 12:00:51 16 A. To the best of my knowledge, yes, sir. 12:06:12 17 It isn't today. 18 Q. "Leslie also sold valves for use in chemical 12:00:55 17 12:01:01 18 Q. As late as November 1988, Leslie was still using asbestos in product lines for steam packings, for 12:06:15 12:06:33 19 plants, refineries, steel mills, paper mills, commercial 12:01:06 19 flat sheet compressed gaskets, and for spiral round 12:06:40 20 buildings for heating systems, and for non-Navy 12:01:11 20 gaskets; is that correct? 12:06:45 21 commercial marine applications"; is that correct? 22 A. That is correct, sir. 12:01:14 21 12:01:16 22 A. I believe so. Yes, sir. Q. That was in November of 1988. 12:06:45 12:06:58 23 Q. I believe you've indicated that sometime in the 12:01:17 23 Do you know when Leslie Controls finally purged 12:07:00 24 late '80s, Leslie stopped using asbestos gaskets? 12:01:34 24 their entire system in order to comply with California 12:07:05 25 A. We stopped using gaskets that contained 12:01:41 25 law to identify asbestos in all their commercial 12:07:08 Page 91 Page 93 24 (Pages 90 to 93) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 products? 12:07:13 1 (Record read.) 12:11:39 2 MR. HUGO: Objection; presumes facts, calls for 3 speculation and legal conclusion, lack of foundation. 12:07:13 2 12:07:15 3 MR. HUGO: Objection. It's vague,ambiguous, compound. If you understand the question, you can 12:11:39 12:11:41 4 Go ahead. 12:07:18 4 answer it. If you don't, tell him. 12:11:46 5 THE WITNESS: No, I do not, sir. 12:07:18 5 THE WITNESS: May I read it off the screen? 12:11:49 6 BY MR. GALIHER: 12:07:19 6 MR. HUGO: Have her read it. It might be kind 12:12:19 7 Q. All you know is as of November 8th, 1988, 8 Leslie was still currently using asbestos in steam 12:07:22 12:07:28 7 8 of coded. (Record read.) 12:12:19 12:12:19 9 packings, flat sheet gaskets, and spiral round gaskets? 12:07:31 9 MR. HUGO: Same objection. 12:12:19 10 A. I know we were supplying them to the Navy, sir. 12:07:35 10 THE WITNESS: Are you asking me if we were 12:12:20 11 Q. With respect to Leslie's customers, on the 12:07:38 11 selling it in the mid- to late '80s? 12:12:22 12 Lubrisoft product, that essentially had an indefinite 12:07:56 12 BY MR. GALIHER: 12:12:24 13 shelf life, does it not? 12:08:02 13 Q. Yes. 12:12:24 14 A. I really don't know, sir. 12:08:04 14 A. We were still selling it to the Navy, to the 12:12:25 15 Q. Have you indicated or have you given sworn 12:08:09 15 best of my knowledge, sir. 12:12:27 16 testimony before to the question, "And, again, that 12:10:02 16 Q. Okay. And there has never been -- that product 12:12:28 17 packing had an indefinite shelf life. Would you agree 12:10:05 17 had also been sold to commercial customers; is that 12:12:33 18 with that statement?" Your answer was, "That's what it 12:10:09 18 correct? 12:12:35 19 says on there, yes"? 12:10:12 19 A. That is correct, sir. 12:12:35 20 MR. HUGO: Objection; vague and ambiguous as to 12:10:13 20 Q. And to this date, in 2009, there has never been 12:12:36 21 "that packing," calls for hearsay as to, "That's what it 12:10:15 21 any recall of that product? 12:12:41 22 says on there,yes." Goahead. Answer that questionif 12:10:19 22 A. Not to my knowledge, sir. 12:12:42 23 you understand it. 12:10:24 23 Q. And there is no recall even though it has an 12:12:44 24 THE WITNESS: That kind of refreshes my memory. 12:10:24 24 indefinite shelf life? 12:12:48 25 I think there was a document that was handed to me that 12:10:28 25 A. There is no recall. Not to myknowledge, sir. 12:12:50 Page 94 Page 96 1 said that on it, and that's why I answered it that way, 12:10:31 1 Q. Okay. Has there ever been any effort by Leslie 12:12:52 2 sir. 12 :10:3 5 2 to warn their users or consumers about the hazards of 12:12:58 3 BY MR. GALIHER: 12:10:35 3 asbestos products that were already in service? 12:13:03 4 Q. Okay. Itwas a Leslie document? 5 A. I believe it was. I'm -- 12:10:36 4 12:10:38 5 A. I've never seen anything like that, sir. Q. Okay. Leslie never warned about asbestos; is 12:13:06 12:13:08 6 Q. Okay. And it indicated -- 12:10:40 6 that correct? 12:13:18 7 MR. HUGO: Hold on a second. Sorry. 12:10:42 7 A. You are talking about asbestos or asbestos -- 12:13:18 8 Objection; lacks foundation, calls for speculation. Go 9 ahead. 12:10:43 8 12:10:45 9 well, asbestos gaskets and -Q. Asbestos in any shape or form. 12:13:23 12:13:25 10 BY MR. GALIHER: 12:10:45 10 A. Not to my knowledge, sir. 12:13:27 11 Q. And the document indicated that the Lubrisoft, 12:10:46 11 Q. Leslie never recalled any asbestos-containing 12:13:28 12 that Leslie brand-name, had an indefinite shelf life? 13 MR. HUGO: Objection -- same objections. Go 12:10:50 12 12:10:54 13 product, did they? A. Not to my knowledge, sir. 12:13:34 12:13:35 14 ahead. 12:10:55 14 Q. Leslie never recalled, never advised customers, 12:13:36 15 THE WITNESS: As I remember -- now, that's a 12:10:55 15 or never warned customers about products containing 12:13:43 16 lot of years ago. Okay? 17 BY MR. GALIHER: 18 Q. Sure. 12:10:58 16 12:10:58 17 12:10:59 18 asbestos? MR. HUGO: Objection; asked and answered. At this point harassing. Go ahead one more time. 12:13:48 12:13:49 12:13:51 19 A. I think it was some sort of Leslie document 12:10:59 19 THE WITNESS: Not to my knowledge, sir. 12:13:53 20 that might have said that on it. That's why I agreed. 12:11:02 20 BY MR. GALIHER: 12:13:55 21 Q. Okay. And as of today, 2009, Leslie was still 12:11:05 21 Q. Okay. And after Leslie was aware of asbestos 12:13:56 22 selling that asbestos-containing Lubrisoft containing 12:11:13 22 hazards -- at least you were aware by the late 1980s -- 12:13:59 23 packing in the mid- to late '80s; is that correct? 12:11:16 23 no action was taken to advise customers; is that 12:14:06 24 MR. HUGO: Hold on a second, please. 25 Can you read that question back? 12:11:20 24 12:11:20 25 correct? MR. HUGO: Objection; vague and ambiguous as to 12:14:09 12:14:09 Page 95 Page 97 25 (Pages 94 to 97) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 "asbestos hazards" compared to the customers of Leslie's 2 products, argumentative, misstates facts. Go ahead. 3 THE WITNESS: I'd like to explain that we -- 12:14:11 1 12:14:14 2 12:14:16 3 general medicine and industrial community, literature and trade magazines and other sources that asbestos-containing material, such as gaskets and 12:17:20 12 :17 :2 4 12:17:26 4 BY MR. GALIHER: 12:14:19 4 packing was potentially hazardous or a carcinogen to 12:17:30 5 Q. Answer my question and then you can explain. 12:14:19 5 humans, wouldn't you want to have all that information 12:17:34 6 A. To your question, not to my knowledge, sir. 12:14:24 available before including that in your product? 12:17:38 7 Q. Thank you. 12:14:27 7 A. Yes, sir. 12:17:45 8 A. Now may I explain? 12:14:28 8 MR. GALIHER: Thankyou. It's12:15or16or 12:17:46 9 Q. Sure. Go ahead. You wait for your lawyer. 12:14:29 9 17 by my watch. We'll take a break. 12:17:57 10 He'll have you explain. You can answer my question 12:14:32 10 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are going off the record. 12:17:59 11 that's part of this proceeding. 12:14:36 11 The time on the screen is 12:18. 12:18:00 12 At no time did Leslie put any kind of warnings 12:14:38 12 (Recess.) 12:36:29 13 on service bulletins, instructions to any customer 12:14:41 13 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are now back on the 12:36:29 14 regarding asbestos hazards; is that correct? 12:14:45 14 record. The time on the screen is 12:37. 12:37:33 15 A. I've never seen any, sir. 12:14:47 15 BY MR. GALIHER: 12:37:33 16 Q. Leslie never tested any of its products for 12:14:50 16 Q. You indicated that Leslie supplied insulated 12:37:46 17 asbestos fiber release during normal maintenance or 12:14:53 17 whistles for steam-powered vessels; is that correct? 12:37:54 18 repair; is that correct? 12:14:58 18 A. We supplied whistles that had internal 12:37:59 19 A. Not to my knowledge, sir. 12:14:59 19 insulation. Yes, sir. 12:38:03 20 Q. And you knew that asbestos gaskets had to be 12:15:00 20 Q. Okay. And thatwas asbestos-containing 12:38:04 21 replaced, as well as asbestos packing had to be 12:15:05 21 insulation, was it not? 12:38:06 22 replaced, in the normal course of maintenance or 12:15:10 22 A. Up to around the '60s, yes, sir. 12:38:08 23 repairs; is that correct? 12:15:12 23 Q. What happened in about the 1960s when you claim 12:38:10 24 A. Yes, sir. 12:15:17 24 they quit producing or supplying that 12:38:14 25 Q. Do you agree that it's important to know if a 12:15:18 25 asbestos-containing insulation with the whistles? What 12:38:17 Page 98 Page 100 1 particular component sold can have a potentially 12:15:44 1 caused that to happen? 2 hazardous effect on the user? 12:15:47 2 A. I really don't know, sir. 3 A. I agree. 12:15:49 3 Q. Do you have any documents to support that 4 Q. You don't want to hurt anyone who works around 12:15:49 4 suggestion? 5 or with your product; is that correct? 12:15:57 5 MR. HUGO: Vague and ambiguous as to "that 6 A. That's correct. 12:15:59 6 suggestion." Go ahead. 7 Q. And it's important to test component parts if 12:15:59 7 THE WITNESS: I recall seeing a drawing for 8 you knew or should have known it's hazardous? 12:16:04 8 that particular component and a change block that said 9 A. If those parts were considered harmful, yes, 12:16:07 9 they went from asbestos-containing material to 12:38:21 12:38:22 12:38:23 12:38:25 12:38:26 12:38:29 12:38:31 12:38:34 12:38:40 10 sir. 12:16:13 10 fiberglass, I believe. 12:38:44 11 Q. And if known in an industrial community, in 12 trade magazines, et cetera, that asbestos materials, 13 such as gaskets and packing, was carcinogenic, you'd 12:16:13 11 12:16:18 12 12:16:21 13 BY MR. GALIHER: Q. What was the reason for that? A. I could not locate a reason for it, sir. 12:38:45 12:38:46 12:38:47 14 want all information available before including that in 12:16:25 14 Q. And when was it that you saw this document? 12:38:53 15 your product; is that correct? 16 A. I don't understand the question, sir. Sorry. 17 MR. HUGO: Do you need a break at this point? 18 THE WITNESS: It wouldn't be a bad point. 19 MR. GALIHER: Oh, wait. Thereis a question 20 pending. 21 MR. HUGO: That's fine. Let him finish this 22 question, and then we'll take a break. 23 THE WITNESS: Okay. 24 BY MR. GALIHER: 25 Q. Question: If in fact it was known in the 12:16:30 15 12:16:32 16 12:16:56 17 12:16:58 18 12:17:03 19 12:17:04 20 12:17:06 21 12:17:08 22 12:17:16 23 12:17:16 24 12:17:18 25 A. Three years ago, maybe. Q. Was it in a deposition in this litigation? A. I don't believe so, sir. Q. Who showed you that document? A. I was asked about it by counsel. Q. Did you search and find it, or did counsel search and find it? A. I was -- I found it. Q. Were there any documents that discussed the reason for not using asbestos insulation and going to fiberglass? 12:39:03 12:39:05 12:39:09 12:39:16 12:39:17 12:39:25 12:39:28 12:39:29 12:39:32 12:39:36 12:39:41 Page 99 Page 101 26 (Pages 98 to 101) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 A. No, sir. I even went so far as to look for the 12:39:42 1 A. Not that I can recall, sir. 12:43:03 2 change notice or any documents like that, and I couldn't 12:39:45 2 (Discussion offthe record.) 12:43:27 3 find them. 12:39:51 3 MR. GALIHER: Next, I'll mark as Plaintiffs' 12:43:28 4 Q. Are you aware that -- you are not aware that -- 12:39:52 4 Exhibit 14 excerpts from a "Technical Manual, Type I, 12:43:30 5 I withdraw the question. You are not aware of the Navy prohibiting 12:39:59 12:40:06 5 6 for Air Priority Valve" by Leslie for the Department of Navy, Naval Ships Systems Command. 12:43:36 12:43:42 7 Leslie from putting any materials in your manuals, are 12:40:09 7 THE WITNESS: I remember that now, sir. 12:44:03 8 you? 12:40:13 8 (Plaintiffs' Exhibit 14 marked.) 12:44:05 9 A. I'm sorry, sir? 12:40:13 9 BY MR. GALIHER: 12:44:05 10 MR. HUGO: I think you misspoke. You said put 12:40:14 10 Q. Leslie wrote in itstechnical manual here 12:44:10 11 materials in the manuals. 12:40:17 11 giving a warning to the mechanics or the sailors that 12:44:14 12 MR. GALIHER: I withdraw the question. 12:40:18 12 were cleaning certain Leslie equipment; is that correct? 12:44:17 13 Q. You are not aware of the Navy prohibiting 12:40:19 13 A. Yes, sir. 12:44:22 14 Leslie from including any information in its technical 12:40:24 14 Q. And what did it warn them for? 12:44:23 15 manuals? 12:40:29 15 A. It says, "Flammable and toxic solvents should 12:44:25 16 A. Including any materials? I haven't read the 17 entire manual on how to make technical manuals. 12:40:29 16 12:40:46 17 be only used in a well-ventilated area. Avoid breathing solvent vapors." I remember that now. 12:44:30 12:44:36 18 Personally, I'm not aware of any. No, sir. 12:40:51 18 Q. Okay. And a warning was supposed to be given 12:44:36 19 Q. So we are clear, you are not aware of any 12:40:54 19 when someone can be personally injured or death could 12:44:39 20 prohibition that has ever been placed by the government 12:40:56 20 result; is that correct? 12:44:44 21 or the United States Navy on Leslie controls including 12:40:59 21 A. That's my understanding, sir. 12:44:44 22 certain material in manuals; is that correct? 12:41:03 22 Q. Okay. And no such warning was given for 12:44:46 23 A. Yes. I'm not aware of any, sir. 12:41:05 23 asbestos at any time ever by Leslie; is that correct? 12:44:49 24 Q. Okay. Nothing precluded Leslie from placing 12:41:10 24 A. Not to my knowledge. 12:44:52 25 cautions re asbestos? 12:41:17 25 Q. Who at Leslie decided to put that warning in 12:44:53 Page 102 Page 104 1 MR. HUGO: Vague. Where? Are you talking 12 :41:2 2 1 there and why? 12:45:06 2 about manuals still? 12 :41:2 5 2 A. I have no idea. I don't know who wrote it, 12:45:07 3 BY MR. GALIHER: 12:41:29 3 sir. 12:45:12 4 Q. In technical manuals. 5 A. Not that I'm aware of, sir. 12:41:30 4 12:41:32 5 Q. And the intent by Leslie was that the Navy would follow its maintenance manuals when it performed 12:45:12 12:45:30 6 Q. Okay. The Navy never precluded Leslie from 12:41:35 repairs; is that correct? 12:45:34 7 including caution or a warning label in their technical 12:41:45 7 A. That's my understanding, sir. 12:45:34 8 manuals; is that correct? 12:41:50 8 Q. And all statements in the manual were by 12:45:36 9 A. Not to my knowledge, sir. 12:41:51 9 Leslie? 12:45:38 10 Q. And you are not aware of the Navy ever 12:41:52 10 A. The manuals are drafted -- well, it depends on 12:45:42 11 prohibiting Leslie from placing warnings in tech 12:42:00 11 -- the manuals were drafted by Leslie and sent to the 12:45:45 12 manuals? 12:42:04 12 Navy for approval. They could have been edited, I 12:45:48 13 A. Not to my knowledge, sir. 12:42:04 13 believe. 12:45:53 14 Q. Are you aware of Leslie issuing any warning 12:42:05 14 Q. My question to you: Leslie Controls wrote the 12:45:53 15 regarding anything in these technical manuals? 12:42:34 15 manuals that it supplied to the Navy for the maintenance 12:46:19 16 A. I've seen caution notices in technical manuals, 17 yes, sir, for mechanical purposes and stuff like that. 18 Q. How about a warning for personal injury 12:42:38 16 12:42:42 17 12:42:44 18 of its products. Is that true? A. Yes, sir. Q. And all of the statements made in the manuals 12:46:21 12:46:23 12:46:23 19 purposes? 12:42:46 19 were made by Leslie; is that correct? 12:46:26 20 A. Well, if you mean -- there could be like -21 example: If you are taking a valve apart, a warning to 22 take the tension off the spring before you take it 12:42:47 20 12:42:52 21 12:42:56 22 A. Yes, sir. We wrote the manual. Q. And Leslie knew the manual would be used by the Navy for the maintenance of the equipment Leslie sold to 12:46:29 12:46:31 12:46:45 23 apart. That type of thing. 12:42:58 23 the Navy; is that correct? 12:46:48 24 Q. How about a warning for breathing hazardous 12:42:58 24 A. That's my understanding. Yes, sir. 12:46:49 25 fumes? 12:43:02 25 Q. And Leslie intended the Navy to follow the 12:46:51 Page 103 Page 105 27 (Pages 102 to 105) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 manuals? 2 A. That's my understanding, sir. 3 Q. And you know of no one who said the Navy barred 4 warnings? 5 A. Not to my knowledge, sir. Q. In fact, we just saw a warning that Leslie 7 issued; is that correct? 8 A. Yes, sir. 9 MR. HUGO: Go ahead. 10 BY MR. GALIHER: 11 Q. Leslie manuals recommended piping from valves 12 be insulated to prevent condensation, did they not? 13 A. For reducing valves, I believe it is, sir, yes. 14 Q. But Leslie manuals recommended that? 15 A. That statement is on -- I've seen it on the 16 reducing valve manuals. Yes, sir. 17 Q. How about pump pressure regulators? 18 A. I don't believe so. 19 MR. GALIHER: Next, I'm going to mark 20 Plaintiffs' Exhibit 16 -21 MS. WAXMAN: 15. 22 MR. GALIHER: I'm going to mark it as 15, not 23 16, a document by Leslie entitled "Engineering Operating 24 Maintenance Data." 25 (Plaintiffs' Exhibit 15 marked.) 12:46:54 12:46:54 12:46:55 12:46:59 1 2 3 4 12:47:00 12:47:01 12:47:05 12:47:06 12:47:06 5 6 7 8 9 12:47:10 10 12:47:43 11 12:47:49 12 12:47:53 13 12:47:56 14 12:47:58 15 12:48:00 16 12:48:02 17 12:48:06 18 12:48:40 19 12:48:42 20 12:48:47 21 12:48:47 22 12:48:50 23 12:49:08 24 12:49:31 25 maintainers of the steam equipment, actually how much insulation should be installed, did they not? A. Not to my knowledge, sir, as far as how much. Q. Okay. I directyour attention to page 000784 entitled "Leslie" -- letterhead -- the trademark at the top saying, "Engineering Data, Steam Flow and Pipes." Do you see that? A. Yes, I do. Q. And with respect to condensation pounds per hour per 100 feet of pipe, what does it indicate how much insulation should be used? A. It states here, "2-inch-thick 85 percent magnesia insulation." Q. Okay. Didn't Leslie supply that same engineering and reference tables in many of their product bulletins? A. I don't know, sir. This is the first time I've ever seen it. MR. GALIHER: Okay. We'll mark as Plaintiffs' Exhibit 16 an excerpt, and I'm going to direct your attention to the reference tables again that indicate how much 85 percent magnesia insulation should be used for condensation. (Plaintiffs' Exhibit 16 marked.) MR. HUGO: Do you have a date for this? 12:52:46 12:52:51 12:52:55 12:52:58 12:53:08 12:53:15 12:53:19 12:53:20 12:53:24 12:53:33 12:53:36 12:53:38 12:53:43 12:53:45 12:54:07 12:54:11 12:54:14 12:54:16 12:54:21 12:54:25 12:54:33 12:54:40 12:54:48 12:55:01 12:55:01 Page 106 Page 108 1 BY MR. GALIHER: 12:49:31 1 MR. GALIHER: I don't. That's all I have. 12:55:02 2 Q. There is a Bates number down on the lower 12:49:45 2 Q. Do you see that again where Leslie's supplying 12:55:24 3 right-hand side of the manual. It's superimposed on 12:49:50 3 engineering data and reference tables for their users, 12:55:27 4 something on here, but the three last digits are 683, 12:49:55 4 consumers, and maintainers of how much asbestos 12:55:30 5 000683. Up at the top, it says, "Instructions for Pump 12:49:58 5 insulation should be used in conjunction with prevention 12:55:34 6 Pressure Regulators." It starts on manual for IBIW 12:50:04 6 of condensation on lines? 12:55:38 7 000682 and goes to 000683. I'm going to direct your 12:50:18 7 MR. HUGO: Objection; misstates the document, 12:55:40 8 attention to paragraph number 7 that's on 000683. 12:50:32 8 calls for hearsay, argumentative. 12:55:42 9 A. Okay. 12:50:42 9 THE WITNESS: It says, "Condensation per 12:55:48 10 Q. Do these Leslie instructions for pump pressure 12:50:52 10 100 feet of covered pipe, inch, pound per hour figured 12:55:50 11 regulators indicate that they should insulate all steam 12:50:56 11 for 2-inch thickness of 85 percent magnesia insulation." 12:55:56 12 lines to minimize condensation losses? 12:51:04 12 BY MR. GALIHER: 12:56:01 13 A. Yes, sir, it does. I never saw it before. 12:51:07 13 Q. What does that indicate to you? 12:56:02 14 Q. And directing your attention to Bates number 12:51:19 14 A. It's a recommendation for the insulation to be 12:56:03 15 000761, "Instructions for Air and Steam Whistles" -- 12:51:28 15 used. 12:56:25 16 A. I'm at 000761, sir. 12:52:03 16 Q. Okay. And who is giving that recommendation? 12:56:27 17 Q. Where it says, "steam whistles" -- 12:52:04 17 A. Well, this appears to be a Leslie document, 12:56:30 18 A. Yes, sir. 12:52:07 18 sir. 12:56:33 19 Q. -- does it advise users for the installation 12:52:08 19 Q. And who are they giving it to? 12:56:34 20 and operation and maintenance on whether piping should 12:52:13 20 A. The document doesn't state who it's going to. 12:56:36 21 be insulated, paragraph 1, under steam whistles? 12:52:18 21 It's a Leslie document. 12:56:50 22 A. It says, "All piping must be well insulated and 12:52:28 22 Q. Okay. And whatis 85 percent magnesia 12:56:52 23 where exposed to outside conditions, doubly insulated." 12:52:30 23 insulation? 12:56:58 24 Q. Okay. And Leslie engineering supplied 12:52:33 24 A. I have no idea, sir. 12:56:58 25 engineering data for the users, the installers, and the 12:52:41 25 Q. You have no idea? 12:56:59 Page 107 Page 109 28 (Pages 106 to 109) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 A. No, sir. I don't know. 12 :57 :0 0 1 Q. With respect to -- this appears to be a Leslie 13 :01:10 2 Q. You've worked for Leslie since the '60s, and 12:57: 02 2 Navy instruction manual for Operating Engineers. 13:01: 12 3 you do not know what 85 magnesia is? 12 :57 :0 7 3 Do you see that? 13 :01:16 4 A. No, sir. 12:57:11 4 A. Yes, sir, I do. 13:01:17 5 Q. And they recommended that the steam lines 12:57:11 5 Q. And with respect to the principles of operation 13:01:18 around their products be insulated with it, and you do 12 :57 :14 and maintenance of the Leslie devices, they are the same 13:01:21 7 not know what it is? 12:57:17 7 whether the design is for the Navy or commercial; is 13:01:30 MR. HUGO: Objection. It's argumentative, 12:57:18 8 that correct? 13:01:36 9 asked and answered. 12:57:19 9 A. That's what it says here. "Of similar design, 13:01:36 10 THE WITNESS: No, sir. I don't know. 11 BY MR. GALIHER: 12 Q. If it was common knowledge that 85 percent 12:57:20 10 12:57:21 11 12:57:21 12 whether Navy or commercial." Q. It says, "The principles of operation and maintenance apply to all Leslie devices of similar 13:01:39 13:01:41 13:01:43 13 magnesia was asbestos-containing thermal insulation that 12:57:25 13 design, whether Navy or commercial"; is that correct? 14 had 15 percent asbestos and 85 percent magnesia, that 12:57:30 14 A. Yes, sir. 13:01:47 13:01:50 15 would be brand-new news to you today? 12:57:35 15 Q. And with respect to the principles of operation 13:01:50 16 MR. HUGO: Objection; argumentative. 12:57:37 16 and maintenance, Leslie is recommending that the users 13:01:57 17 THE WITNESS: It's the first time I ever saw 12:57:38 17 insulate all pipes and before and after reducing the 13:02:08 18 that statement, sir. 12:57:40 18 valve to minimize condensation; is that correct? 13:02:11 19 BY MR. GALIHER: 12:57:41 19 A. That's what is stated here. Yes, sir. 13:02:14 20 Q. You've never seen a reference to 85 percent 12:57:41 20 Q. Okay. And in the previous three documents, 13:02:16 21 magnesia before? 12:57:45 21 Leslie identified 85 percent magnesia, the exact size of 13:02:19 22 A. This is the first time I've ever read it. 12:57:45 22 that asbestos-containing insulation, that should be used 13:02:26 23 Q. Okay. That's fine. 2009. That's fine. 12:57:48 23 to reduce condensation, did it not? 13:02:30 24 MR. HUGO: Move to strike the comments of 12:57:52 24 MR. HUGO: Objection; assumes facts, calls for 13:02:33 25 counsel. 12:57:54 25 speculation, lacks foundation, calls for hearsay. 13:02:34 Page 110 Page 112 1 MR. GALIHER: Next, I'll markasa plaintiffs' 12 :57 :5 7 1 THE WITNESS: Those previous documents there 13:02:37 2 exhibit excerpts of engineering data and reference 12 :58 :0 4 2 made that statement, yes. 13:02:42 3 tables for steam flow in pipes engineering data with a 12:58:09 3 BY MR. GALIHER: 13:02:43 4 Leslie logo and in the middle reference tables. And on 5 the second page of this excerpt, it says, "Leslie 12:58: 15 4 12:58:22 5 Q. Okay. It was general knowledge by Leslie that the Navy insulated with asbestos, was it not? 13:02:43 13:03:02 6 Company, 1963." 12:58:24 MR. HUGO: Objection; vague and ambiguous as to 13:03:06 7 MR. HUGO: Thanks. 12:58:28 7 what was insulated. Go ahead. 13:03:08 8 (Plaintiffs' Exhibit 17 marked.) 9 BY MR. GALIHER: 12:59:02 12:59:02 8 9 THE WITNESS: Based on what I see on those documents, and I've gone through thousands of documents 13:03:10 13:03:36 10 Q. Do you see on the last page ofthat Exhibit 17 12:59:02 10 in the last couple of years, and I've never seen any 13:03:45 11 a recommendation by Leslie on how much 85 percent 12:59:06 11 reference to asbestos insulation. Those are the first 13:03:48 12 magnesia should be applied? 12:59 :11 12 documents that I've seen, when you presented them to me 13:03:54 13 A. Yes, sir, I do. 12:59:15 13 today. There is knowledge, you know, they are there. 13:03:58 14 Q. And what is that? Can you read that into the 12:59: 15 14 That's all I can say, sir. 13:04:03 15 record? 12:59 :17 15 BY MR. GALIHER: 13:04:04 16 A. It says, "Condensation pounds per hour per 100 17 feet of pipe with 2 inches thick 85 percent magnesia 18 insulation." 12:59:18 16 12 :59 :2 1 17 12 :59 :2 5 18 Q. You knew previously though that steam piping on Navy ships got insulated, and Leslie knew the piping and valves were going to be get insulated; is that correct? 13:04:05 13:04:09 13:04:12 19 MR. GALIHER: Okay. 12 :59 :2 5 19 A. I will say, yes, sir, we knew they were 13:04:16 20 (Discussion off the record.) 13:00:19 20 insulated. 13:04:21 21 MR. GALIHER: Next, I'll mark as Exhibit 18 22 instructions for installation, operation, and 13 :00:2 4 21 13:00:30 22 Q. And Leslie knew at the time they sold the Leslie valves, that the United States -- they knew that 13:04:21 13:04:24 23 maintenance of Leslie pressure reducing valves. 13:00:33 23 at the time they sold the Leslie valves to the United 13:04:27 24 (Plaintiffs' Exhibit 18 marked.) 13:01:09 24 States Navy; is that correct? 13:04:29 25 BY MR. GALIHER: 13:01:09 25 A. To the best of my knowledge, yes, sir. 13:04:30 Page 111 Page 113 29 (Pages 110 to 113) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 Q. And the tech manuals Leslie put together for 13:04:3 2 MR. GALIHER: I'll put a time reference. I'll 13 :08:0 7 2 the Navy, they outlined how to repair and properly 13:04:38 2 back up a little bit here. 13 :08:0 9 3 maintain the product that they were selling; is that 13:04:42 3 Q. Leslie first began using asbestos gaskets in 13:08:11 4 correct? 13:04:44 4 1900? 13:08:14 5 A. I would say, yes, sir. 13:04:44 5 A. I thought the valves back then were solid -- 13:08:15 Q. You know the Navy insulated steam piping with 13:04:46 the gaskets were solid copper and soft iron. That's 13:08:54 7 asbestos insulation and the valves with asbestos; is 13:05:24 7 what I thought were the old original classes. 13:09:01 8 that correct? 13:05:27 Q. Have you testified before that, "From the 13:09:04 9 A. I know that now, sir. 13:05:27 9 records and, you know, documents, all the documents that 13:09:07 10 Q. It was general knowledge that the Navy 13:05:28 10 I've seen that it had to be sometime in the early 1900s. 13:09:10 11 insulated piping systems with asbestos? 13:05:40 11 Early 1900s I would say," yes? 13:09:14 12 MR. HUGO: Objection; vague as to time, asked 13:05:44 12 MR. HUGO: Objection; hearsay, vague and 13:09:18 13 and answered. 13:05:44 13 ambiguous, overbroad. It's not the same question that 13:09:21 14 THE WITNESS: I know it now. I mean, when I 13:05:51 14 was originally asked. It's argumentative. 13:09:24 15 learned it -- when I went aboard a ship, I didn't know 13:05:54 15 BY MR. GALIHER: 13:09:28 16 that. 13:05:58 16 Q. "Question: When did Leslie Controls, 13:09:29 17 BY MR. GALIHER: 13:06:00 17 Incorporated, first begin purchasing asbestos-containing 13:09:31 18 Q. Leslie Controls knew and understood that the 13:06:01 18 gaskets for their product manufactured"? 13:09:35 19 valves they were selling to the United States Navy for 13:06:04 19 A. Now that you ask it that way, it was -- it was 13:09:39 20 the installation on board steam-powered vessels between 13:06:06 20 somewhere in the early 1900s. It could be 1920, 1930, 13:09:46 21 1944 and 1976 would indeed be insulated with asbestos, 13:06:10 21 somewhere in there. What threw me was the 1900 because 13:09:51 22 correct? 13:06:15 22 I've looked at some drawings in 1900, and I don't 13:09:54 23 A. Yes, sir. 13:06:16 23 remember seeing it. Like 1901, 1902. That type of 13:09:58 24 Q. And your answer is, "Based on what I stated in 13:06:17 24 thing. 13:10:05 25 the past -- okay -- it was general knowledge that the 13:06:24 25 Q. Is it true that all Leslie Control valves in 13:10:09 Page 114 Page 116 1 Navy insulated piping and piping systems with asbestos." 13:06:27 1 Navy ships contained asbestos components if in steam 13:10:25 2 Have you testified to that under oath? 13:06:31 2 service? 13:10:29 3 A. Yes, I have, sir. 13:06:33 3 A. To the best of my knowledge, yes, sir. 13:10:32 4 Q. And that's your testimony here today? 13:06:34 4 Q. And Leslie tested their gaskets before 13:10:37 5 A. Yes, sir. 13:06:35 5 incorporating them into a valve design; is that correct? 13:10:48 6 Q. You know that the exterior insulation for 13:06:36 6 A. I believe so, sir, yes. 13:10:50 7 valves was asbestos in the 1960s and '70s? 13:06:48 7 Q. They just didn't test them for any health and 13:10:53 8 A. I know that it was used. Yes, sir. 13:06:59 8 safety aspect of asbestos use; is that correct? 13:10:55 9 Q. Leslie knew valves sold to the Navy for steam 13:07:01 9 A. I just know that I've seen records that they 13:10:58 10 service would be insulated with asbestos between 1944 13:07:10 10 tested for functional use, sir. 13:11:02 11 and 1976? 13:07:13 11 Q. Leslie designed control valveswith Leslie's 13:11:06 12 A. I'd have to say yes, sir. 13:07:17 12 own unique design; is that correct? 13:11:24 13 Q. In the 1940s, it was common to insulate with 13:07:19 13 A. Yes, sir. There are similar other products, 13:11:26 14 asbestos? 13:07:22 14 but it was Leslie's design. Yes, sir. 13:11:38 15 A. To my knowledge, yes, sir. 13:07:23 15 Q. Was it their own unique design? 13:11:40 16 Q. Leslie valves used on steam lines had asbestos 13:07:25 16 A. Can you define "unique," please? I guess it's 13:11:43 17 packing; is that correct? 13:07:41 17 unique. Yes, sir. 13:11:47 18 MR. HUGO: Objection; asked and answered. Go 13:07:42 18 Q. Detailed engineering drawings were not sent to 13:11:48 19 ahead. 13:07:47 19 the Navy. Leslie only sent the United States Navy a 13:12:12 20 THE WITNESS: I'm sorry, sir. One more time. 13:07:47 20 master plan; is that correct? 13:12:16 21 BY MR. GALIHER: 13:07:49 21 A. Yes, sir. And a master plan and a lot of the 13:12:19 22 Q. Leslie valves used on steam lines used asbestos 13:07:49 22 old ones included the individual components on that 13:12:23 23 packing? 13:07:54 23 drawing. 13:12:25 24 MR. HUGO: Objection. Again, asked and 13:07:58 24 Q. The Navy did not design pressure temperature 13:12:25 25 answered and vague and ambiguous as to time and valve. 13:07:59 25 regulators; is that correct? 13:12:39 Page 115 Page 117 30 (Pages 114 to 117) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 A. I've never seen any, sir. 13:12:40 1 (Plaintiffs' Exhibit 19 marked.) 13:16:09 2 Q. Okay. Leslie had expertise in steam-powered 3 valves; isn't thatcorrect? 13 :12:4 4 2 13:12:47 3 MR. HUGO: Which interrogatory are you going to refer to? 13:16:09 13:16:11 4 A. Yes, sir. 13:12:48 4 MR. GALIHER: Question or -- answer 7(b) on 13:16:12 5 Q. And Leslie believes its valves are the best 13:12:49 5 page 8 at the bottom. 13:16:19 6 because of their superior design and manufacture; is 13:12:55 6 MR. HUGO: Thanks. 13:16:21 7 that correct? 8 A. Yes, sir. 13:12:58 13:12:58 7 8 MR. GALIHER: I take it back. My last question was on page 9. It was at the end of answer 8. I 13:16:33 13:16:35 9 Q. And Leslie sent tech reps and has given a class 13:12:58 9 misspoke. I'll ask the last sentence. 13:16:40 10 to the Navy on repair of valves; is that correct? 13:13:04 10 MR. HUGO: Just for the record, it is an answer 13:17:15 11 A. Yes, sir, we did. 13:13:08 11 based upon information and belief. Interrogatories are 13:17:19 12 Q. Leslie taught courses for sailors on how to 13:13:09 12 prepared with the assistance of counsel. You can just 13:17:22 13 repair their valves; is that correct? 13:13:14 13 read 8 there. 13:17:24 14 A. Yes, sir, we did. 13:13:15 14 BY MR. GALIHER: 13:17:24 15 Q. Earlier we talked about other manufacturers of 13:13:17 15 Q. You can read the whole question and answer. 13:17:29 16 gasket materials that were installed in Leslie products. 13:13:34 16 I'm going to renew my question, which is going to focus 13:17:31 17 I recall discussing Johns Manville and Raybestos 13:13:42 17 on the last full sentence in that paragraph of answer. 13:17:34 18 Manhattan. 13 :13:4 6 18 (Brief pause in proceedings.) 13:17:42 19 Do you recall that? 20 A. Yes, sir. 13:13:48 19 13:13:49 20 THE WITNESS: Yes, sir. MR. GALIHER: I will object to counsel's 13:17:44 13:18:02 21 Q. Are you aware of what percentage of asbestos 13:13:50 21 speaking objection trying to coach his witness. 13:18:03 22 was contained in those gaskets or packing that Leslie 13:13:53 22 Q. What was the basis for your answering this 13:18:07 23 incorporated into their products? 13:13:58 23 question having to do with the amounts of asbestos in 13:18:09 24 A. No, I am not, sir. 13:14:00 24 the gaskets and packing as small and insignificant? 13:18:13 25 Q. Would it surprise you if they were 70 or 80 or 13:14:01 25 A. Small because the components are very, very 13:18:17 Page 118 Page 120 1 85 percent asbestos? 13 :14:0 6 tiny, and we are not talking about large components, and 13:18:25 2 MR. HUGO: Objection; irrelevant, calls for 13 :14:0 9 2 part of it is asbestos. Okay? 13:18:29 3 speculation, lacks foundation. Go ahead. 4 THE WITNESS: I wouldn't be surprised or not 13:14:11 13:14:13 3 4 Q. And when you gave this answer, you had no clue as to how much asbestos was in that packing, or how much 13:18:34 13:18:36 5 surprised. I don't know. 13:14:17 5 asbestos was in that gasket; is that correct? 13:18:41 BY MR. GALIHER: 13:14:18 A. Percentagewise, no, sir. I'm saying the size 13:18:43 7 Q. You incorporated that -- Leslie incorporated 13:14:19 7 of the component itself. 13:18:45 8 those materials into their products, and as you sit here 13:14:21 Q. That allowed you to say insignificant amount? 13:18:46 9 today, you don't know what percentage of asbestos those 13:14:25 9 A. Well, if I'm talking about packing like this in 13:18:55 10 gaskets and packing had; is that correct? 13:14:27 10 comparison to, you know, 50 tons of asbestos on a 13:18:59 11 MR. HUGO: Objection; argumentative, asked and 13:14:29 11 destroyer or something like that, to me, that seemed to 13:19:03 12 answered. 13:14:32 12 be insignificant. 13:19:06 13 THE WITNESS: I do not know, sir. 13:14:32 13 Q. With respect to how much asbestos it takes to 13:19:07 14 BY MR. GALIHER: 13:14:34 14 cause mesothelioma, do you know what is significant and 13:19:11 15 Q. Okay. But yousigned interrogatories in Hawaii 13:14:34 15 what is not? 13:19:15 16 that said that Leslie incorporated component parts, such 13:14:39 16 A. No, sir, I do not. 13:19:15 17 as in gaskets and packing, that contained small, 13:14:44 17 Q. Okay. Yet, in your answer you said this was an 13:19:17 18 insignificant amounts of asbestos; is that correct? 13:14:49 18 insignificant amount that was in a component part that 13:19:20 19 MR. HUGO: Objection; calls for speculation, 13:14:53 19 Leslie had in its product; is that correct? 13:19:22 20 lacks foundation. If you want to see whatever he is 13 :14:5 6 20 MR. HUGO: Objection; argumentative, asked and 13:19:24 21 referring to, you can ask for it. 13:15:02 21 answered. 13:19:25 22 THE WITNESS: May I see it? 13:15:03 22 THE WITNESS: That's what it says here, sir, 13:19:25 23 BY MR. GALIHER: 13:15:05 23 yes. 13:19:28 24 Q. Sure. I'm directing your attention to what 13:15:05 24 BY MR. GALIHER: 13:19:28 25 we'll mark as 19. 13:15:16 25 Q. Did you believe that? 13:19:29 Page 119 Page 121 31 (Pages 118 to 121) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 A. When I signed this, in my thinking pattern, 13:19:30 1 BY MR. GALIHER: 13:21:55 2 yes, sir. 13 :19:3 4 2 Q. Yes. 13:21:55 3 Q. Did youcome up with those words? 13:19:34 3 A. -- to their health? 13:21:56 4 A. No, sir. I assisted counsel. 13:19:39 4 Q. Yes. 13:21:56 5 Q. So the word "insignificant" is not your word? 13:19:42 5 A. I don't know if those products were hazardous 13:21:56 A. No, sir, it is not. 13:19:45 6 to their health, sir. 13:21:58 7 Q. Is that your signature on the last page ofthis 13:19:47 7 Q. Did you tell them there was any particular 13:21:58 8 document that was filed in Hawaii? 13:19:51 8 significance associated at all with asbestos that was 13:22:00 9 A. Yes, it is. 13:19:53 9 going into your products? 13:22:03 10 Q. Going on to page 11, question 10, the answer 13:19:58 10 A. Did I personally tell them? 13:22:04 11 appears at the bottom of this page discussing OSHA. 13:20:12 11 Q. Yes. 13:22:07 12 Do you see that? 13:20:20 12 A. No, sir. I didn't know that. 13:22:07 13 A. Oh, yes, sir. 13:20:20 13 MR. HUGO: It's 1:20. At some point, we are 13:22:14 14 Q. As far as Leslie complied with all applicable 13:20:23 14 going to need to take another break and probably do a 13:22:16 15 state and federal statutes, including OSHA, did you 13:20:27 15 lunch break. 13:22:18 16 supply that information? 13:20:31 16 BY MR. GALIHER: 13:22:46 17 A. Is that my verbiage? No, sir. 13:20:32 17 Q. Were there any special precautions around the 13:22:46 18 Q. In fact, in your earlier testimony today, you 13:20:38 18 areas where gaskets were installed in the Leslie 13:22:49 19 said you had no idea when OSHA came into being; is that 13:20:40 19 equipment in the 1960s and the 1970s? 13:22:55 20 correct? 13:20:44 20 A. Not to my knowledge, sir. 13:22:58 21 A. I didn't know the exact date. No, sir. 13:20:44 21 Q. Okay. So as far as the Leslie employees were 13:22:59 22 Q. 1972. As you sit here today, do you know OSHA 13:20:46 22 concerned, manufacturing their product, including 13:23:07 23 came into being in 1972? 13:20:52 23 yourself, or inspecting those products, working with 13:23:11 24 A. Yes, sir. From that document you showed me, I 13:20:53 24 asbestos-containing gaskets and packing was no different 13:23:15 25 do. 13:20:56 25 than working with anything innocuous just like paper or 13:23:19 Page 122 Page 124 1 Q. Do you know that OSHA had standards that came 13:20:56 1 flour or something like that? 13:23:25 2 into existence in 1972 dealing with asbestos? 13:21:00 2 A. When I inspected the gaskets, I inspected them 13:23:27 3 A. If it was part of that document, I'll answer 13:21:03 3 like any other component part. There was no warnings on 13:23:29 4 yes. 13:21:10 4 them from anybody. 13:23:32 5 Q. Okay. 13:21:11 5 Q. Okay. Didyoueverhaveto cut them or shape 13:23:33 6 A. Okay. 13:21:12 6 them, the gaskets? 13:23:37 7 Q. I think you testified earlier that when you 13:21:12 7 A. No, sir. The gasket, when they come in, they 13:23:39 8 were working on the floor at the factory in the 1970s, 13:21:15 8 are complete. You don't have to do anything to them 13:23:43 9 you had no clue -- you had no idea that asbestos was 13:21:20 9 except inserting them in the valve. 13:23:46 10 hazardous; is that correct? 13:21:22 10 Q. After your products were tested and you took 13:23:48 11 A. That is correct, sir. 13:21:23 11 them apart, did you actually disassemble them? 13:23:50 12 Q. Nor did the 180 other people that worked under 13:21:25 12 A. Yes, sir, I did. 13:23:52 13 you; is that correct? 13:21:30 13 Q. Okay. Did you ever have to use wire brushes or 13:23:52 14 MR. HUGO: Objection; argumentative, lacks 13:21:31 14 scrape gaskets? 13:23:56 15 foundation, calls for speculation. 13:21:33 15 A. No, sir, I haven't. 13:23:57 16 THE WITNESS: Not to my knowledge, sir. 13:21:34 16 Q. Did you have any older valves of Leslie 13:23:58 17 BY MR. GALIHER: 13:21:35 17 products that had been used on steam lines for a long 13:24:02 18 Q. Okay. You certainly didn't tell them that the 13:21:35 18 time where it required the use of wire brushes or 13:24:05 19 products that contained asbestos were hazardous to their 13:21:38 19 scraping to get gaskets or packing out? 13:24:08 20 health, that were incorporated into the Leslie products; 13:21:43 20 A. I've never used a wire brush to scrape gaskets. 13:24:10 21 is that correct? 13:21:46 21 Q. How about gasket hooks? Have you ever used 13:24:14 22 MR. HUGO: Objection; argumentative, assumes 13:21:46 22 those to get -- I mean packing hooks to get packing out 13:24:16 23 facts. Go ahead. 13:21:48 23 of gaskets or valve systems? 13:24:20 24 THE WITNESS: You are saying, did I tell them 13:21:49 24 A. When I was working in service, when we were in 13:24:22 25 that the products we put in were hazardous -- 13:21:52 25 Parsippany, if you went on the road, a lot of times you 13:24:30 Page 123 Page 125 32 (Pages 122 to 125) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 were taking valves apart, if you were on the road doing 13:24: 34 1 2 something. And I've used a packing puller after the 13:24: 37 2 valve had been disassembled, and I've removed packing 13:24:40 3 4 with those. 13:24:43 4 5 Q. Have you been actually there working with 13:24:43 5 mechanics when they pulled steam equipment off the steam 13:24:45 6 lines that had been in use? 13:24:50 7 A. No, sir, I don't believe I have. 13:24:51 8 9 Q. Okay. So you weren't there when they actually 13:24:55 9 10 removed the asbestos insulation over the Leslie 13:24:58 10 11 products, the pads and things like that? 13:25:00 11 12 MR. HUGO: Objection; assumes facts. 13:25:02 12 13 THE WITNESS: I was never there when they were 13:25:04 13 14 being taken off, sir, no. 13:25:06 14 15 MR. GALIHER: Why don't we take a short break 13:25:17 15 16 and I'll see how much -- I might be finished. 13:25:20 16 17 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: This marks the end of tape 13:25:22 17 18 two in the deposition of Matthew Wrobel on December 1st, 13:25:24 18 19 2009. We are now off the record. The time on the 13:25:28 19 20 screen is 1:25. 13:25:30 20 21 (Recess.) 13:40:11 21 22 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are now on the record. 13:40:11 22 23 The time on the screen is 1:40. This marks the 13:40:44 23 24 beginning of tape three in the deposition of Matthew 13:40:46 24 25 Wrobel on December 1st, 2009. 13:40:49 25 Page 126 that correct? 13 :43:10 A. It could be, yes, sir. Q. Okay. Can you tell me why that was not listed 13 :43:10 13:43: 12 in the Hawaii interrogatories as an answer to products 13 :43:17 that Leslie manufactured and/or sold that contained 13 :43:21 asbestos? 13 :43:2 5 MR. HUGO: Vague and ambiguous as to what interrogatory response you are referring to. 13:43:27 13:43:28 BY MR. GALIHER: 13 :43:31 Q. The question is question 7and number 16, question 16. We can start out actually with 16. It's 13 :43:31 13:44:04 probably shorter and easier to trace, but they were all 13:44:07 the questions that asked for a complete listing 13:44:11 enumeration of any product that contained asbestos 13:44: 14 fiber, including for the inclusion of the component part 13:44:16 and sold by you. 13 :44:2 2 MR. HUGO: Number 16. 13:44:38 BY MR. GALIHER: 13:44:40 Q. You can take your time and review that, 16, 13:44:40 16(a). 13:44:40 A. All right. Which one? Over here? 13 :44:5 0 MR. HUGO: 16, I think, there. 13:44:52 (Brief pause in proceedings.) THE WITNESS: And7? 13 :44:5 7 13 :44:5 8 BY MR. GALIHER: 13 :44:5 8 Page 128 1 BY MR. GALIHER: 13:40:53 1 Q. 7 actually starts on 6. Questions 6, 7, and 16 13:45:48 2 Q. Mr. Wrobel, can I direct your attention to 13:41:00 2 are all asking for a complete listing of all products 13:45:52 3 Exhibit 15, and I'm going to have you find the Bates 13:41:05 3 containing asbestos or a component part that contained 13:45:57 4 page that ends up with 000770. Is that the one that has 13:41:10 4 asbestos. 13:46:00 5 parts names and parts reference numbers on it for the Leslie steam whistle? 7 A. Yes, sir. 8 Q. And if I can direct your attention to item 27, 13:41:31 13:41:35 13:41:38 13:41:38 5 6 7 8 And my question to you: Is there a reason why the Leslie steam whistle was not listed on any of the interrogatories in Hawaii? A. It is, sir. 13:46:02 13:46:11 13:46:16 13:46:18 9 can you read that to us? 13:41:43 9 Q. It is? Where is it at? I don't see it. 13:46:19 10 A. Item 27, it says, "Insulation." 13:41:44 10 A. It's 7(a). 13:46:22 11 Q. And what is the material that insulation is 12 made off for that Leslie steam whistle? 13 A. It says asbestos, sir. 14 Q. Okay. And moving back to 000769, is that a 15 drawing of that Leslie steam whistle? 16 A. I'm sorry. Yes, sir, it is. 17 Q. And does it depict that Leslie Part number 27 18 that's made of asbestos? 19 A. Yes, sir. That's Part 27, and it's supposed to 13:41:50 11 13:41:52 12 13:41:56 13 13:41:57 14 13:42 :0 9 15 13:42:13 16 13 :42 :3 4 17 13:42:41 18 13 :42 :4 2 19 Q. 7(a)? A. Yes, sir. Q. I apologize. A. You see, "In various times in the past, Leslie marketed and sold products" -- MR. HUGO: Slowdown. THE WITNESS: Oh, I'm sorry. "In various times in the past, Leslie marketed and sold products under the name Leslie, Leslie 13:46:23 13:46:24 13:46:24 13:46:29 13:46:29 13:46:29 13:46:29 13:46:37 13:46:39 20 show the Part 31 that encapsulates it. 13:42:49 20 Eventemp, LeslieTyfon." Tyfon isthe name of the 21 Q. Okay. This was an asbestos-containing 13:42:53 21 whistle. 22 component part that came with the Leslie steam whistles 13:42 :5 7 22 BY MR. GALIHER: 23 in the '40s and '50s and the '60s; is that correct? 13:43: 02 23 Q. I see. The Leslie Tyfon is the whistle that we 24 A. To the best of my knowledge, yes, sir. 13:43: 05 24 are describing. It's not a generic steam whistle. It's 25 Q. And it was also sold as a replacement part; is 13:43 :0 7 25 a specific type of whistle? 13:46:43 13:46:49 13:46:49 13:46:51 13:46:54 13:46:56 Page 127 Page 129 33 (Pages 126 to 129) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 A. If you look at that drawing and look at the 2 name plate that we are referring, it says, "Leslie 3 Tyfon." 4 Q. Okay. Let me go back. Okay. I understand now 5 what you are saying. I understand that. I just was looking for something broader that had to do with steam 7 whistles. I didn't realize it was -- is it a brand 8 name? How would you identify that? 9 A. The story that I get -- okay -- through history 10 is that somewhere in the 1930s, there was --1 believe 11 the company name was Kockum in Sweden. Leslie bought 12 that product line, and they called it Tyfon. 13 Q. Tyfon? 14 A. Yeah. T-y-f-o-n. It was Kockum/Tyfon, if I 15 remember correctly. So when Leslie bought the product 16 line and started making the steam whistle, it turned 17 into a Leslie Tyfon. 18 Q. Okay. That's fine. 19 A. What does Tyfon mean? I have no idea, sir. 20 Q. There is no other type of whistle named Tyfon? 21 If it's a Tyfon, it's a Leslie? I don't understand that 22 part. 23 A. Yeah. When you talk about a Tyfon whistle, I 24 think if you go way back to maybe early, early, before 25 Leslie bought it, there may be some literature. If you 13:46:58 13:47:01 13:47:05 13:47:05 1 2 3 4 13:47:07 13:47:09 13:47:13 13:47:16 13:47:19 5 7 8 9 13:47:24 10 13:47:30 11 13:47:35 12 13:47:35 13 13:47:42 14 13:47:43 15 13:47:46 16 13:47:49 17 13:47:49 18 13:47:53 19 13:47:54 20 13:47:59 21 13:48:01 22 13:48:01 23 13:48:05 24 13:48:07 25 right after we moved to Parsippany. I remember two of those large horn bodies up on a vertical tower lathe. The main reason for it is the Navy went away from steam-powered service vessels except for -- the only ones left, I think, are carriers. Q. The last document, Exhibit 20, "December 1957," a publication, "Marine Engineering Log." On page 126 -I just have the cover page. On 126, I'm going to direct your attention to the photograph in the lower right-hand corner and see if you can identify those gentlemen for us. (Plaintiffs' Exhibit 20 marked.) THEWITNESS: Yes,Ican,sir. BY MR. GALIHER: Q. Okay. Can you identify those two people for us? A. The younger gentleman on the left is John S. Leslie, grandson of the founder. The gentleman on the right, which kind of looks like me, is S. Inglis Leslie, which we called Pop Leslie. Q. John S., he is the one we previously identified in the American Society of Mechanical Engineers? A. Yes, sir. MR. GALIHER: Okay. Subject to an agreement on stipulation on the foundation ofdocuments, that's all 13:49:16 13:49:20 13:49:24 13:49:30 13:49:34 13:49:38 13:49:49 13:49:55 13:50:00 13:50:03 13:50:07 13:50:07 13:50:29 13:50:31 13:50:31 13:50:33 13:50:33 13:50:37 13:50:43 13:50:48 13:50:50 13:50:53 13:50:58 13:51:02 13:51:05 Page 130 Page 132 1 look in history somewhere, there might a Kockum/Tyfon. 13:48:09 1 the questions I have, and -- I'm sorry? 13:51:06 2 THE COURT REPORTER: How do you spell Kockum? 13:48:09 2 (Discussion off the record.) 13:51:24 3 THEWITNESS: WithaK. 13:48:18 3 MR. GALIHER: I apologize. 13:51:24 4 BY MR. GALIHER: 5 Q. Where did it come from, Kockum? 6 A. Sweden. 13:48:18 4 13:48:20 5 13:48:21 6 Q. On the Leslie Lubrisoft asbestos packing, what were the years that it was first sold, and when was it last sold when it contained asbestos, and how much 13:51:30 13:51:34 13:51:37 7 Q. Sweden. Okay. 13:48:21 7 asbestos did it contain? 13:51:40 8 A. And so the story -9 Q. They liked the sound ofthat whistle, so they 10 bought it. 11 A. The story that I got -- and this is just 13:48:21 8 13:48:24 9 13:48:26 10 13:48:26 11 A. It's a three-part question. Q. All having to do with Leslie Lubrisoft asbestos packing. A. I believe it was sometime in the early '50s or 13:51:44 13:51:45 13:51:49 13:51:50 12 hearsay over 40 years -- is that the Navy came to Leslie 13 and said, "Hey, you know, we need a steam whistle. Why 13:48:27 12 13:48:30 13 maybe late '40s through late '80s, somewhere, maybe early '90s for the Navy. 13:51:54 13:52:05 14 don't you buy the product line," or something. 13:48:32 14 Q. Sosomewhere 35,40 years? 13:52:08 15 Q. Oh, okay. 16 A. Something like that. 17 Q. And you don't know the year of that? 18 A. I believe it was sometime in the `30s. 19 Q. Okay. And do they still sell that whistle 13:48:34 15 13:48:35 16 13:48:36 17 13:48:38 18 13:48:41 19 A. Whatever that math works out to. Q. And what was the asbestos percentage? A. I have no idea, sir. MR. GALIHER: That's all the questions I have, but for what might be in the six-inch pile of documents 13:52:11 13:52:15 13:52:17 13:52:23 13:52:24 20 line? 21 A. No, sir, we don't. We don't make the whistle 22 anymore. 23 Q. When did they quit making that whistle? 13:48:45 20 13:48:45 21 13:48:50 22 13:48:50 23 that my colleague has down there that we've offered a stipulation to the foundation for. Although if I have to go into the foundation, I want to do everything else. MR. HUGO: I have some questions. While he is 13:52:29 13:52:33 13:52:36 13:52:40 24 A. The last time I remember seeing one of those 25 whistles was maybe -- it was in the mid- to late '80s, 13:48:54 24 13:48:58 25 looking at these documents, let me ask mine, and then hopefully we'll come to an agreement with regard to 13:52:42 13:52:43 Page 131 Page 133 34 (Pages 130 to 133) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 those documents. 13:52:47 1 A. Yes, sir. I was in the area. 13 :59:3 5 2 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: You can either switch 13:52:49 2 Q. To your knowledge, has Leslie ever been cited 13:59:38 3 positions or Mr. Wrobel looks forward, if that's all 13:52:50 3 by OSHA for any violation with regard to 13:59:42 4 right. 13:52:55 4 asbestos-containing gaskets, packing, valves, or other 13:59:47 5 MR. HUGO: Yes. Thank you. 13:52:55 5 Leslie products? 13:59:51 6 EXAMINATION 13:52:56 A. Not to my knowledge, sir. 13:59:52 7 BY MR. HUGO: 13:52:56 7 Q. To your knowledge, has OSHA ever instructed 13:59:53 8 Q. Mr. Wrobel, I want to follow up on a couple of 13:52:57 8 Leslie not to use either asbestos-containing gaskets or 13:59:56 9 the areas here that you were asked about. 13:52:59 9 packing in any of its products? 14:00:01 10 First of all, you've worked for Leslie for 13:53:03 10 A. Not to my knowledge. 14:00:03 11 approximately 44 years; is that correct? 13:53:05 11 Q. You were also asked about Leslie products, 14:00:04 12 A. It will be 44 years next May, sir. 13:53:06 12 which contained either asbestos-containing gaskets or 14:00:12 13 Q. And you spoke about the Parsippany plant. 13:53:10 13 packing in the small and insignificant amount of the 14:00:16 14 When was that plant in operation? 13:53:14 14 asbestos material within them. 14:00:21 15 A. We moved into that plant in 1968. 13:53:16 15 Do you remember those questions? 14:00:25 16 Q. And how long did you stay in that plant before 13:53:21 16 A. Yes, sir. 14:00:25 17 moving to Tampa? 13:53:26 17 Q. Have you undertaken, yourself, any attempt to 14:00:26 18 A. Until 1986. 13:53:26 18 quantify the amount of the asbestos-containing gasket or 14:00:29 19 Q. Between 1968 and 1986, were you present in the 13:53:29 19 packing which would be encapsulated in a Leslie product, 14:00:36 20 plant on a regular basis? 13:53:36 20 like a valve? 14:00:40 21 A. Yes, sir. 13:53:38 21 A. Yes, I have. 14:00:41 22 Q. Did you come to know whether or not OSHA 13:53:40 22 Q. What have you done to determine the amount 14:00:42 23 inspected that plant? 13:53:45 23 either by weight or volume of the actual 14:00:45 24 MR. GALIHER: I object to the form of the 13:53:47 24 asbestos-containing portion of, for example, a 14:00:49 25 question as leading. 13:53:49 25 copper-jacketed gasket or other type of gasket or 14:00:53 Page 134 Page 136 THE WITNESS: Yes, sir. I was in the plant and 13:53:55 1 2 knew that OSHA was doing inspections in the plant. 13 :53 :5 8 2 3 Excuse me for a second. I'm really uncomfortable with 13:54:03 3 4 you over here. Could you maybe sit over or somewhere 13:54:05 4 5 where I can look at you? 13:54:12 5 MR. HUGO: Yes. Let's take a break for a 13:54:12 6 7 second so we can rewire. 13:54:14 7 THEVIDEOGRAPHER: Offtherecord. Thetimeon 13:54:16 8 9 the screen is 1:54. 13:54:17 9 10 (Brief pause in proceedings.) 13:58:30 10 11 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are now back on the 13:58:30 11 12 record. The time on the screen is 1:59. 13:59:00 12 13 BY MR. HUGO: 13:59:04 13 14 Q. Thank you, Mr. Wrobel. When we took a short 13:59:05 14 15 break, I was asking you about OSHA and specifically the 13:59:06 15 16 Parsippany plant. 13:59:11 16 17 Were you physically present when you could 13:59:12 17 18 actually observe OSHA inspectors present in the Leslie 13:59:14 18 19 plant? 13:59:19 19 20 A. I've seen OSHA inspectors in the Parsippany 13:59:19 20 21 plant. Yes, sir. 13:59:22 21 22 Q. Have you seen them actually present during the 13:59:23 22 23 time when valve assembly was in progress, which included 13:59:25 23 24 the installation or use of asbestos-containing gaskets 13:59:29 24 25 and packing? 13:59:34 25 Page 135 packing? MR. GALIHER: I object to the form of the question; foundation. THE WITNESS: What I've done is taken -- an example would be a spiral round gasket. Okay? And I took apart numerous -- several of them and actually weighed the difference between the two, which comes to about roughly -- of the spiral round gasket -- about 15 -- if my memory serves me right, it's about 15 percent of the total weight of the gasket, and then I calculated -- THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Whoever is on the phone, can they mute? MS. SHELDON: I am mute. BY MR. HUGO: Q. Your answer was interrupted, but let me follow up. You were talking about disassembling a spiral round gasket. For the benefit of the jury who may have not seen or heard a description of it yet, other than the asbestos portion of the gasket, what is that gasket comprised of in terms of materials? A. It's a metallic -- common stainless steel is one of them. There's some others, but most of the time it's stainless steel. And it's like a stainless steel 14:00:58 14:00:58 14:01:00 14:01:01 14:01:05 14:01:13 14:01:20 14:01:24 14:01:29 14:01:32 14:01:32 14:01:42 14:01:45 14:01:49 14:01:49 14:01:50 14:01:52 14:01:57 14:01:58 14:02:01 14:02:02 14:02:05 14:02:07 14:02:13 14:02:17 Page 137 35 (Pages 134 to 137) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 ribbon, and also the fillers is like a ribbon. And it's 14:02:20 1 the portion of the gasket which can contain some 2 wrapped and then it's spot welded on the inside to keep 14 :0 2 :2 4 2 percentage of asbestos, chrysotile asbestos, correct? 3 it together. And I've taken those apart and weighed 14:02:28 3 A. Yes, sir. 4 them. I've taken a copper-jacketed gasket completely 14:02:32 4 MR. GALIHER: I object to the form of the 5 apart and weighed it and calculated what the weight of 14:02:36 5 question; leading. 6 the filler material is inside the encapsulated copper, 14:02:42 6 THE WITNESS: And proportionally, as they got 7 what it is per square inch. And I actually worked up a 14:02:46 7 bigger, it would go up. 8 formula where I could calculate -- take a gasket, plug 14:02:52 8 BY MR. HUGO: 9 in the outer diameter, the inner diameter and would give 14:02:58 9 Q. So -- and I understand -- 10 me the weight of the gasket complete, and then it would 14:03:03 10 A. That's just one. 11 give me the weight of the filler by itself. 14:03:07 11 Q. It's an estimate. But if you are going to now, 12 Q. You referred to the fact that a destroyer from 14:03:10 12 based on your 44 years of training and experience with 13 the United States Navy may have 50 tons of asbestos on 14:03:18 13 Leslie, and the familiarity of its products, going to 14 it. 14:03:18 14 give it your rough estimate -- you can give me a range 15 How many Leslie productswould be on a typical 14:03:22 15 of the total weight of the asbestos-containing 16 destroyer, if you can give me a rough average. 14:03:25 16 components of all of the Leslie valves that could be 17 A. This is ballpark. 14:03:35 17 present on a typical destroyer -- what would the range 18 Q. Yes, ballpark. 14:03:36 18 be? 19 A. 80. 14:03:39 19 MR. GALIHER: I object to the form of the 20 Q. And-- 14:03:39 20 question; foundation. 21 A. That's total products. 14:03:43 21 THE WITNESS: The lower range for that would be 22 Q. Are all of those products asbestos-containing? 14:03:43 22 point 01, and my estimate of the higher one would be -- 23 By that, I mean do all of those products have some sort 14:03:46 23 for a fairly large, it might be 1.2, 1.5 ounces. This 24 of an asbestos material inside of them, such as packing 14:03:49 24 is by memory. And it varies depending on -- the 25 or gaskets? 14:03:53 25 copper-jacketed gaskets have a higher ID. The spiral CTl O O 14 14 :05:13 14 :05:17 14 :05:18 14 :05:19 14 :05:20 14 :05:22 14 :05:25 14 :05:25 14 :05:26 14 :05:28 14 :05:30 14 :05:33 14 :05:36 14 :05:39 14 :05:42 14 :05:46 14 :05:50 14 :05:50 14 :05:52 14 :05:55 14 :05:57 14 :06:10 14 :06:18 14 :06:25 Page 138 Page 140 1 A. Not everything. 2 Q. Okay. So out of the -- and I understand it's 3 an estimate, but out of those products that would have 4 contained some asbestos component, such as packing or 5 gaskets, how much total weight of asbestos would be present in those Leslie products? 7 MR. GALIHER: I object to the form of the 8 question; foundation. 9 THE WITNESS: It depends on the size of the 10 gasket. A gasket -- that's just from memory. You know, 11 I'm trying to remember. 12 BY MR. HUGO: 13 Q. I understand. 14 A. Okay. One gasket, a very small one that was 15 used on a strainer attached to a small reducing valve, 16 the diameter being roughly one inch in diameter with 17 probably a three-quarter-inch hole. The ID was to 18 record it. 19 Q. ID is inner diameter? 20 A. Inner diameter. 21 Q. So outside diameter about an inch? 22 A. The weight of the total gasket was point one 23 ounce -- I'm sorry -- point one ounce. The weight of 24 the filler was point 01 ounce. 25 Q. And when you talk about filler, that would be 14:03: 54 1 14:03: 55 2 14:03:59 3 14:04:04 4 14:04:08 5 14:04:13 6 14:04:15 7 14:04:16 8 14:04:17 9 14:04:19 10 14:04:28 11 14:04:30 12 14:04:30 13 14:04:30 14 14:04:35 15 14:04:41 16 14:04:46 17 14:04:46 18 14:04:46 19 14:04:54 20 14:04:54 21 14:04:58 22 14:05:03 23 14:05:04 24 14:05:07 25 round gaskets have less. BY MR. HUGO: Q. But compared to the 50 tons of asbestos, you are talking about point 01 ounce present in that particular gasket? A. For that particular gasket. MR. GALIHER: I object to the form of the question. It's leading. THE WITNESS: For the smaller gasket, that's the numbers I remember. BY MR. HUGO: Q. So in total for perhaps 80 Leslie products, we are talking less than a pound or a pound or two of asbestos -- MR. GALIHER: I object to the form of the question as leading, lacks foundation. BY MR. HUGO: Q. -- containing filler, correct? MR. GALIHER: I object to the form of the question. It's leading. THE WITNESS: It's really hard to give you an answer. I really have to do some math because you can't just take the one small one. You'd have to take a range, an average. Okay? But even if you said the filler -- if you just struck point 5 ounces as an 14 06:32 14 06:32 14 06:34 14 06:36 14 06:43 14 06:44 14 06:46 14 06:47 14 06:48 14 06:50 14 06:51 14 06:52 14 06:56 14 06:59 14 06:59 14 07:01 14 07:03 14 07:04 14 07:08 14 07:10 14 07:11 14 07:12 14 07:20 14 07:24 14 07:28 Page 139 Page 141 36 (Pages 138 to 141) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 average for the filler of gaskets and material, and on 14:07:36 1 A. You know, when I first started with Leslie, 2 an average two gaskets per valve, you can do the math. 14:07:40 2 everybody was very proud of it, that we supplied valves 3 And I'm really doing a lot of averages. 14:07:44 3 to the United States Navy. And when I got involved in 4 BY MR. HUGO: 14:07:48 4 the inspection part of it, there were a lot of times 5 Q. Understood. But we are not talking about tons 14:07:48 5 that I was told, because I was the young kid on the 6 -- 14:07:51 6 block, "This goes in that kind ofvalve. Make sure it's 7 A. Oh, no, sir. 14:07:51 7 right." 8 Q. You were asked some questions about piping and 14:07:52 8 Q. Did you become personally involved in such 9 good piping practice. 14:07:58 9 contracts at various stages of development, including 10 Do you agree that avoiding condensation is good 14:07:59 10 production, testing, and acceptance by the United States 11 piping practice? 14:08:03 11 Navy? 12 A. Yes, sir, I do. 14:08:04 12 A. Yes, sir. When I was in quality assurance, I 13 Q. And you were shown some documents indicating 14:08:05 13 worked with the Navy inspector when a valve was being 14 that the piping to and from a product, such as a valve, 14:08:08 14 developed. And I went through, you know, from knowing 15 should be insulated, correct? 14:08:14 15 that we got the contract, that I actually contacted the 16 A. Yes. 14:08:15 16 Navy inspector, and I had to sit with him, go through 17 Q. Let's talk about the valve itself. 14:08:19 17 the process. He established hold and witness points 18 Did Leslie ever recommend that its product, the 14:08:22 18 through the processes. 19 valve, be externally insulated with asbestos insulation 14:08:25 19 Q. Would you describe -- first of all, what is a 20 or any other type of insulation? 14:08:29 20 Navy inspector? 21 A. I've never seen any documents that said that. 14:08:31 21 A. We called him a Navy inspector. It was a 22 Q. With regard to a strainer, has Leslie ever 14:08:34 22 carry-over from, I guess, World War II. In fact, the 23 recommended a strainer be externally insulated with 14:08:39 23 first guy that I knew when I first started there that I 24 asbestos-containing insulation? 14:08:43 24 worked with -- because I was young and I could pick up 25 A. I've never seen any documents that stated that. 14:08:45 25 things and he couldn't. 14:10:05 14:10:19 14:10:22 14:10:25 14:10:27 14:10:30 14:10:33 14:10:33 14:10:37 14:10:40 14:10:43 14:10:44 14:10:47 14:10:54 14:11:00 14:11:03 14:11:08 14:11:12 14:11:13 14:11:15 14:11:16 14:11:21 14:11:23 14:11:26 14:11:30 Page 142 Page 144 1 Q. With regard to the whistle, did Leslie ever 14:08:47 1 It's a government representative that ensures 14:11:3 2 2 recommend that a whistle should be externally insulated 14 :08:51 2 that Leslie meets the contract requirements, that they 14 :11:3 6 3 with asbestos-containing insulation? 14:08:55 3 get to produce equipment for the Navy. 14:11:41 4 A. I've never seen a document that said that. 14:08:57 4 Q. Where would that government inspector be 14:11:43 5 Q. You were aboard a ship called the America where 14:09:00 5 located? 14:11:45 you observed a Leslie pressure regulator that had been 14:09:06 6 A. He is in an office at Leslie. 14:11:46 7 externally insulated, correct? 14:09:11 7 Q. Explain for the members of the jury what it 14:11:48 8 A. Yes, sir. 14:09:13 8 means a government inspector has an office at Leslie? 14:11:50 9 Q. Did you instruct the Navy to externally 14:09:13 9 How did that come about? 14:11:54 10 insulate the Leslie pressure regulator? 14:09:16 10 A. We are mandated to provide him an office so he 14:11:55 11 A. No, sir. 14:09:18 11 can perform his function. 14:12:00 12 Q. Did the Navy do that on their own? 14:09:19 12 Q. A physical office? 14:12:01 13 MR. GALIHER: I object to the form of the 14:09:24 13 A. A physical office. 14:12:02 14 question. It calls for speculation. 14:09:26 14 Q. And heactually works out ofthatofficeat 14:12:03 15 THE WITNESS: Maybe the shipyard did it. 14:09:28 15 Leslie's facility? 14:12:05 16 BY MR. HUGO: 14:09:36 16 A. Yeah. He comes to Leslie every day, and he 14:12:06 17 Q. During the course of your 44 years at Leslie, 14:09:36 17 works at Leslie. On occasion, they also -- that's where 14:12:09 18 did you become aware ofwhether Leslie furnished and 14:09:40 18 he is stationed, in Leslie. Depending on the period of 14:12:14 19 fabricated valves and related equipment specifically for 14:09:46 19 time, I've known him to do Leslie only, and I've known 14:12:22 20 United States Navy vessels under contract between Leslie 14:09:50 20 him to have Leslie, plus they might do other contracts 14:12:25 21 and the United States Navy Department? 14:09:53 21 in plants that are similar. But kind of a resident or 14:12:29 22 A. Yes, we did. 14:09:56 22 semi-resident. 14:12:33 23 Q. And how did you become aware that that existed? 14:09:57 23 Q. You used the term "hold/witness points"; is 14:12:34 24 A. That we made valves for the Navy? 14:10:02 24 that correct? 14:12:37 25 Q. Yes. 14:10:04 25 A. Yes, sir. 14:12:37 Page 143 Page 145 37 (Pages 142 to 145) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 Q. What is a hold/witness point or points? 2 A. Well, let's say we were making this glass for 3 the Navy, to Navy specifications. Okay? And in the 14:12:38 1 14:12:40 2 14:12:47 3 A. But there is a valve. It's made ofsteel. Okay? And initially, you have to put it in a form that conforms to a drawing. And then when that casting comes 14:15:30 14:15:32 14:15:36 4 contract, it says it would be source inspected by the 14:12:53 4 in, it's inspected to make sure it meets the casting 14:15:41 5 Navy inspector. You contact the Navy inspector, and you 14:12:58 5 drawing, and then it's machined into a finished machine 14:15:44 6 show him the process, especially on newer products that 14:13:03 6 component. 14:15:48 7 you are developing. And you show him the actual process 14:13:07 7 Q. So the inspection can actually begin at the 14:15:48 8 from procurement of each component through machining of 14:13:10 8 sourcing of the very materials to make the finished 14:15:50 9 each component, any testing that has to be done, any 14:13:16 9 product. In this case, we are talking about a valve, 14:15:54 10 nondestructive examination, like liquid penetrant 14:13:17 10 correct? 14:15:56 11 examination. 14:13:27 11 A. Yes, sir. 14:15:57 12 Q. Slow down a little bit and say that one more 14:13:27 12 Q. And would that inspection and sourcing of 14:15:58 13 time for us. 14:13:27 13 materials include component parts, such as packing and 14:16:00 14 THE COURT REPORTER: Liquid what? 14:13:27 14 gaskets? 14:16:03 15 THE WITNESS: Liquid penetrant examination. 14:13:27 15 A. Normally, source inspection by our resident was 14:16:06 16 BY MR. HUGO: 14:13:27 16 not -- especially ifyou are getting somebody who is 14:16:15 17 Q. What does that mean? 14:13:28 17 buying it from a QPL, I would assume, if they were 14:16:19 18 A. It's a nondestructive test that you perform on 14:13:29 18 making packing and gaskets to no specs, that they had a 14:16:23 19 certain surfaces that are required by mil spec to see if 14:13:32 19 similar individual there just because of the fact they 14:16:27 20 there's any cracks or discontinuities on a particular 14:13:37 20 are on a QPL. 14:16:30 21 surface of an area. Mandatory inspection, very, very 14:13:40 21 Q. Okay. So we got two more terms we need to 14:16:31 22 common on almost every one that he gets involved in. He 14:13:45 22 define. One is mil spec. Is that shorthand for another 14:16:33 23 has to witness test of the valves. 14:13:49 23 term? 14:16:36 24 So in the process that's set up by 14:13:52 24 A. It's a military specification. 14:16:37 25 manufacturing engineering, quality would actually go to 14:13:55 25 Q. Tell the members of the jury what a military 14:16:40 Page 146 Page 148 1 them and say, "Okay. This is the process for this 14:13:5 7 1 specification is. 14 :16 :4 2 2 particular job. The inspector wants to witness 14 :14:0 0 2 A. It's a document which defines a particular 14 :16 :4 2 3 dimensional inspection at this point." He might be 4 going out for a heat treat operation. It would be a 14:14:05 3 14:14:09 4 product. It could be in various stages. It could be in a component. There can be a military specification for 14:16:46 14:16:50 5 mechanical type part. Coming back, he might want to 14:14:12 5 glasses. There can be a military specification -- if 14:16:54 6 witness hardness testing or any tests that were done. A 14:14:15 the government wrote them for castings. There is a 14:16:57 7 very good example would be for procuring castings for 14:14:20 7 military specification for valves, and how to build that 14:17:02 8 part of the valve body, and the mil spec requires that 14:14:23 8 particular valve, and what's required if you are going 14:17:05 9 they be magnetic particle tested and X-rayed. He 14:14:26 9 to get that valve and sell it and stipulate that it is 14:17:08 10 actually sends a letter of delegation to the government 14:14:29 10 in accordance with that military specification. 14:17:12 11 inspector at the foundry, and that guy actually is there 12 at the foundry when the casting gets poured. Now, if 14:14:32 11 14:14:36 12 Q. Was Leslie obligated to comply with military specifications, which covered all specific components of 14:17:14 14:17:19 13 there's cleaning when it gets X-rayed, he has to sign 14:14:39 13 the valves and related equipment, including the 14:17:22 14 off on the film that comes into us. He reviews the film 14:14:41 14 accessories, the subcomponents, such as packing and 14:17:25 15 against the components. He can set a point anywhere in 14:14:46 15 gaskets, and other materials which were necessary to 16 the production process to witness or inspect. 14:14:49 16 produce a Leslie product? 17 Q. I'm going to define a few terms. Casting, 14:14:51 17 A. Yes, sir. It's called out right in the 14:17:28 14:17:32 14:17:34 18 explain for the members the jury what a casting is. 14:14:54 18 contract. 14:17:37 19 A. A casting is a form of molding metal, for 14:14:57 19 Q. Could Leslie deviate from that and choose, for 14:17:38 20 example. The best example I can give you for a layman 14:15:10 20 example, a type of packing that was not approved by 14:17:42 21 is, if you've ever seen anybody mold lead into sinkers, 14:15:16 21 military specification? 14:17:46 22 you have a mold. You heat the lead. It turns molten. 14:15:24 22 A. You have to comply with the requirements and 14:17:46 23 The term is molding. You pour it in the mold. It 14:15:25 23 the materials that are listed in that specification. 14:17:51 24 cools. You open it up. You got a fish and sinker. 25 Q. Okay. So -- 14:15:26 24 14:15:26 25 Q. Now, you also mentioned a term called, or at least an abbreviation, QPL. Can you tell the members of 14:17:53 14:17:57 Page 147 Page 149 38 (Pages 146 to 149) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 the jury what a QPL is? 2 A. It's qualified products list. 3 Q. And what does that mean in lay terms? 4 A. There is a government list if you were looking 5 for products, and today it's on the internet. Let's say 6 you wanted a gasket, in accordance with MILG 1WO5, or 7 whatever that number is, because for some reason, you 8 need one. You can go online -- and back then, it was 9 just a book -- and look for that, and it would give you 10 manufacturers that supplied that gasket and were on that 11 list. In other words, the government had ordered it or 12 whatever at their facility, and they are saying that, 13 yes, their gaskets comply to those requirements. Then 14 you can order them from them. 15 Q. Could you source component parts that were not 16 on a QPL or mil spec for inclusion in your finished 17 products? 18 A. If the specification required a mil spec 19 component, you had to order a mil spec component. 20 Q. I would like to run through an example with 21 you, and I've marked as Exhibit A a copy of valves 22 pressure reducing steam service military specification 23 MIL-V-17848V. Itappears tobe 1968. Thathasbeen 24 marked as Exhibit A for identification. 25 (Defendant's Exhibit A marked.) 14:18: 03 1 14:18: 04 2 14:18:09 3 14:18:11 4 14:18:20 5 14:18:27 6 14:18:36 7 14:18:39 8 14:18:43 9 14:18:50 10 14:18:55 11 14:19:00 12 14:19:04 13 14:19:09 14 14:19:10 15 14:19:15 16 14:19:20 17 14:19:22 18 14:19:27 19 14:19:32 20 14:19:35 21 14:19:39 22 14:19:52 23 14:19:58 24 14:19:58 25 documents and ANSI. It can vary, depending on the product. Q. Asa specific example, it lists gaskets, metallic asbestos spiral round MILG 21032, correct? A. Yes, sir. That's under "Specifications," Military. Q. And that's what you referred to by example as a Flexitallic gasket? A. Yes. That's a spiral round gasket. Q. So the Navy, through the use ofthe military specifications, required Leslie to use the metallic asbestos spiral round gasket in the pressure reducing valve, correct? A. Yes, sir. It's required. In fact, if you go to the next page, you'll see a list of materials -Q. Yes. A. -- that are mandated to be used in these valves. And if you go under "Gaskets, spiral round materials instructions in accordance with MILG point 21032," et cetera. Q. Now, you just mentioned two other terms. I want to go back. ANSI and ASTM? A. Yes. If you go to the top of page 2, it lists different specifications. It says, "American Society for Testing and Materials." 14 :21:2 6 14 :21:3 3 14:21:33 14:21:37 14:21:43 14:21:52 14:21:53 14:21:56 14:21:58 14:22:00 14:22:03 14:22:08 14:22:11 14:22:12 14:22:17 14:22:20 14:22:21 14:22:25 14:22:32 14:22:33 14:22:36 14:22:39 14:22:42 14:22:48 14:22:51 Page 150 Page 152 1 BY MR. HUGO: 14 :19:5 8 1 Q. Right. 14:22:55 2 Q. Mr. Wrobel, take a moment and take a look at 14:20:00 2 A. And you see below it "A105," that happens to be 14:22:56 3 that document and tell me whether you are familiar with 14:20:03 3 a forging specification. The casting I was talking 14:22:59 4 it. 14:20:03 4 about before, if you look down farther, it says, "A216, 14:23:05 5 (Brief pause in proceedings.) 14:20:08 5 carbon steel castings." "A217, alloy steel castings." 14:23:10 THE WITNESS: I've seen this before. 14:20:14 6 Q. In fact, when you were asked earlier about the 14:23:18 7 BY MR. HUGO: 14:20:16 7 American Society of Testing and Materials, ASTM, Mr. 14:23:21 8 Q. How are you familiar with it? What is it? 14:20:16 8 Galiher didn't ask you whether they, in fact, specified 14:23:25 9 A. It's a mil spec for a -- it says, "Military 14:20:17 9 the use of asbestos-containing materials or engineered 14:23:30 10 specification valves, pressure reducing steam service." 14:20:24 10 them? 14:23:33 11 Q. Is that a product that Leslie manufactured? 14:20:30 11 A. I don't remember talking about ASTM. 14:23:33 12 A. Yes, it is. 14:20:33 12 Q. Okay. What was the other one that he asked you 14:23:36 13 Q. Does that specification, in turn, incorporate 14:20:34 13 about, if you remember? 14:23:38 14 additional specifications for gaskets, for example? 14:20:39 14 A. ASME. 14:23:39 15 A. Yes, sir. If you look at paragraph 2.2, it 14:20:43 15 Q. Okay. And what's the -- 14:23:42 16 says, "Other publications." And also, under 2, it says, 14:20:47 16 A. American Society of Mechanical Engineers. 14:23:43 17 "Applicable documents." All those documents listed 14:20:51 17 Q. Are you aware whether they specified use of 14:23:45 18 there become part ofthis. So if you are looking for a 14:20:54 18 asbestos-containing materials? 14:23:48 19 gasket, and it mentions it in there, you have to order 14:20:57 19 A. Actually -- and I can't remember the actual 14:23:50 20 the gasket to that particular specification. 14:21:01 20 specification number, but there is an ASME/ANSI spec. I 14:23:59 21 And once they list that document in there -- 14:21:04 21 can get the actual number. 14:24:10 22 and if you go to page 2, even for raw materials, it 14:21:10 22 Q. I'm not concerned about the number. Just the 14:24:12 23 says, all their publications, the following documents 14:21:13 23 content. 14:24:14 24 form part of the specification. So they are specified 14:21:17 24 A. Well, there is a table in that specification 14:24:14 25 herein, and it lists other documents, like the ASTM 14:21:22 25 that had a list of different gaskets that were suggested 14:24:21 Page 151 Page 153 39 (Pages 150 to 153) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 to be used in valves, and one of them was spiral round 14:24:25 1 2 asbestos containing, and I think that was in there up 14:24:30 2 3 until the end of 1990. 14:24:32 3 4 Q. Okay. And while we are talking about dates and 14:24:35 4 5 times --1 believe that you made reference to this, but 14:24:38 5 6 is it true that after Leslie made the decision to not 14:24:41 6 7 use asbestos-containing gaskets and packing in some of 14:24:46 7 8 their valves, the Navy required the continued use of 14:24:50 8 9 asbestos-containing gaskets and packing in its valves? 14:24:53 9 10 That is, the valves that Leslie produced under military 14:24:56 10 11 specification? 14:25:00 11 12 A. When they would order a valve, they'd order it 14:25:00 12 13 -- say, "I want a Leslie valve" -- in accordance with 14:25:04 13 14 approved Navy drawing 23032M REV 2. I'm just picking a 14:25:07 14 15 number. And you could not deviate from that. Until 14:25:12 15 16 that drawing was reapproved with a different component, 14:25:16 16 17 you had to supply it that way. 14:25:19 17 18 Q. And in materials of the chronology of Leslie's 14:25:21 18 19 production of various products, was Leslie producing 14:25:23 19 20 valves for the military that contained 14:25:27 20 21 asbestos-containing component parts after Leslie 14:25:30 21 22 discontinued the use of those asbestos-containing 14:25:34 22 23 component parts for commercial application valves? 14:25:36 23 24 A. Yes, we did. 14:25:39 24 25 Q. Now, you also talked about this inspection 14:25:42 25 Page 154 Q. That's part of the Navy shipyard? A. Yes. Q. Okay. A. Part of the documentation that was required by contract, and there were other things. But this is a certificate of conformance and test basically that Leslie certified we met all the contract requirements. And if you look, there's boxes that are X'd, which is saying that this particular valve had a visual inspection, a dimensional inspection, material inspection, material in accordance with the Navy drawing and/or specifications. Chemical composition and mechanical properties test, that was actually of the castings and pressure containing material. You actually get certified material test report from the foundry. This required a class one radiographic examination. This required magnetic particle testing. This required particle liquid penetrant test in the seats and the welds, which is common on Navy valves. 14:27:02 14:27:04 14:27:04 14:27:05 14:27:08 14:27:11 14:27:15 14:27:25 14:27:31 14:27:33 14:27:36 14:27:39 14:27:44 14:27:47 14:27:51 14:27:55 14:27:59 14:28:00 14:28:03 Preservation and packing, we are certifying that we are doing it in accordance with the mil spec. The hydrostatic test pressure that was required by contract or mil spec was 3,250. We did a seat tightness of the valve at 1090, and we did a performance test on water at 1090. 14:28:07 14:28:10 14:28:13 14:28:16 14:28:22 14:28:26 Page 156 1 process, and I'm going to show you what I've marked as 14:25:45 1 There were also other tests that were done. 14:28:29 2 Exhibit B for identification. 14:25:48 2 Post-shock vibration inspection tests were done, and it 14:28:32 3 (Defendant's Exhibit B marked.) 4 BY MR. HUGO: 5 Q. Take a minute and look at that document. If 14:25:48 3 14:26:08 4 14:26:08 5 was inspected by Angelo Lavecki. He was an individual that worked in the test department. Q. That's of Leslie, right? 14:28:37 14:28:42 14:28:44 6 you are familiar with it, tells us what it is, and how 14:26:11 6 A. That's Leslie. 14:28:45 7 you recognize it. 14:26:13 7 Q. And is that it for the jury? Only Lesliedid 14:28:48 8 MR. GALIHER: I object to the form of this 14:26:13 8 these tests? 14:28:51 9 exhibit. I can't read the top of it. I don't know what 14:26:15 9 A. Leslie performed the tests. 14:28:51 10 it is. 14:26:17 10 Q. And then what happened? 14:28:53 11 THE WITNESS: This doc is a Leslie document, 14:26:24 11 A. The QAR witnessed and/or he could inspect also. 14:28:54 12 and I believe what it says on top, because I made out a 14:26:27 12 The QAR wouldn't run the test press to run it, but he 14:29:00 13 lot of these, is "Inspection and test report, 14:26:30 13 would be there to witness it. And if you notice, to the 14:29:02 14 certificate of conformance" or "compliance." I forgot 14:26:38 14 right of where it says "Shock and vibration," it's 14:29:05 15 which one it was. 14:26:38 15 signed J.J. Raymond. That was Jules Raymond. He was 14:29:09 16 BY MR. HUGO: 17 Q. Is that a document that you actually had 18 obtained at your direction from records kept in the 14:26:40 16 14:26:40 17 14:26:43 18 the Navy inspector QAR. They called it a QAS. They've changed names. And actually, that box that's right there that you see, he has a rubber stamp that has an 14:29:14 14:29:19 14:29:22 19 ordinary course of business by Leslie? 14:26:46 19 American eagle on it with his number that he's assigned. 14:29:26 20 A. Yes. 21 MR. GALIHER: I object to the form of the 22 question. It's leading. 14:26:48 20 14:26:49 21 14:26:52 22 He is stamping this document saying that he verified all that we did on this, and you need this prior to shipment. 14:29:28 14:29:34 14:29:37 23 THE WITNESS: This is for a control valve that 14:26:53 23 Q. Now, I don't want to go into too much detail, 14:29:37 24 we were making for Newport News, and -- 14:26:56 24 but the members of the jury may never see a Leslie 14:29:43 25 BY MR. HUGO: 14:27:01 25 valve. 14:29:43 Page 155 Page 157 40 (Pages 154 to 157) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 Can you go buy one, for example, at Sears off 14 :29:4 6 1 the scope and establishes the requirements for 2 the rack? 14 :29:4 8 2 contractor's inspection system. 3 A. No. These are specialty valves. 14:29:49 3 Q. What is that? 4 Q. What does that mean? What is a specialty 14:29:50 4 A. All quality -- it defines the Leslie quality 14:32 :3 6 14:32:39 14:32:41 14:32:42 5 valve? 14:29:54 5 system or anybody else's who they -- what must be in 6 A. You can't buy this at the Home Depot or a 14:29:55 6 that quality system, and it's quite detailed. Okay? It 7 supply outlet. This valve is made to a particular 14:29:57 7 talks about inspection and testing documentation. It 8 specification. Normally, we don't stock this type of 14:30:00 8 talks about retention of records. It talks about 9 valves. They are made by contract only. 14:30:05 9 corrective action if there is something that happens. 10 Q. And you used some terms that I want you to 14:30:07 10 If you get a corrective action request from someone, how 11 define here. 14:30:11 11 you have to answer it, what actions you have to take to 12 You said it was hydrostatic pressure tested to 14:30:11 12 prevent reoccurrence. It talks about drawing and change 13 30 to 50. 30 to 50 what? 14:30:16 13 control. It talks about measuring and test equipment. 14 A. Okay. Hydrostatic testing is filling something 14:30:18 14 Measuring and test equipment must be calibrated and 15 with water, and then you pressurize it. Okay? And the 14:30:21 15 traceable to a national standard. 16 different specifications, based on the pressure rating 14:30:25 16 And it even further goes into the calibration. 17 of the valve, there is a rule of thumb one and one half 14:30:28 17 If you were to read the measuring and testing part, it 18 times the rated pressure of the valve. It's actually 14:30:31 18 calls out MIL-C-15662, which says, "The equipment that 19 higher than that because it's on a pressure temperature. 14:30:33 19 you use to measure, inspect, and test must be calibrated 20 But this valve was rated at 900 PSI. 14:30:38 20 to that specification," and also process controls and a 14:32:45 14:32:48 14:32:57 14:33:00 14:33:03 14:33:07 14:33:10 14:33:13 14:33:15 14:33:19 14:33:22 14:33:24 14:33:27 14:33:30 14:33:34 14:33:38 21 If you look in the upper-right column -- upper 22 right hand under "Description," I think it says -23 Q. That's 900 and then the pound sign? 24 A. 900 and then the pound sign. It's a 900-pound 25 rated valve. For a 900-pound rated valve of this 14:30:43 21 14:30:46 22 14:30:50 23 14:30:51 24 14:30:55 25 whole gamut of things. Q. Okay. We've talked about inspection from the time that the raw materials are procured through the production at the Leslie facility. Was there US Navy inspection and testing after 14:33:44 14:33:45 14:33:47 14:33:51 14:33:53 Page 158 Page 160 1 material, the specification -- we did a pressure test 2 for integrity of 3,250 PSI. 14:30:58 1 14:31:03 2 the products left Leslie's possession based on your years with Leslie? 14:33 :5 6 14:34: 02 3 Q. And PSI means? 4 A. Times per square inch. 5 Q. All right. Now, in addition, I'm going to show 6 you what I'm going to mark as Exhibit C, which is mil 7 spec number MIL-I-45208A. This one is 1961 and an 8 appendix -- it looks like 1968. 14:31:09 3 14:31:12 4 14:31:14 5 14:31:21 14:31:39 7 14:31:57 8 A. Yes. It was done at the shipyards also. The shipyards -- in some cases, we actually had -- remember when I was talking about the X-rays? Q. Yes. A. Actually, X-ray film on some of the contracts was required to be sent even before we can start cutting 14:34:04 14:34:08 14:34:12 14:34:14 14:34:14 14:34:18 9 (Defendant's Exhibit C marked.) 14:31:57 9 into chips. Before we can actually have a casting 14:34:18 10 BY MR. HUGO: 14:31:57 10 shipped to us, we might have to send it to Electric Boat 14:34:22 11 Q. Take a moment and take a look at that document 14:31:59 11 or Newport News or somebody like that. And in some 12 and let me know if you recognize it. 14:32:01 12 cases, they would have to approve the film -- 13 A. Yes, I do. 14:32:03 13 Q. Okay. Who -- 14 Q. Was that document obtained at your direction 14:32:04 14 A. -- before we could do that. 15 from the records of Leslie? 14:32:08 15 Q. I want to clarify. You just used the term 16 A. Yes, sir. 14:32:10 16 "X-ray." Earlier, when we were talking about Exhibit B 17 Q. And kept in the normal and ordinary course of 14:32:11 17 and going through the checklist, you used the term 14:34:24 14:34:27 14:34:27 14:34:30 14:34:31 14:34:33 14:34:40 18 Leslie's business? 19 A. Yes, sir. 14:32:14 18 14:32:15 19 "radiographic examination." Is that -A. That's X-ray. 14:34:45 14:34:46 20 Q. Can you tell the members of the jury what that 21 is? 22 A. It's a military inspection for the inspection 23 requirements that Leslie must meet as a prerequisite to 14:32:16 20 14:32:18 21 14:32:18 22 14:32:21 23 Q. -- the same? A. That's X-ray, yes. Q. And the shipyards are the ones that had the machinery -- and I'm specifically talking about the US 14:34:47 14:34:49 14:34:49 14:34:52 24 be nationally offered and doing any Navy work at all. 25 This MIL-I-45208, if you gothrough it, it goes through 14:32:27 24 14:32:30 25 Navy shipyards -- the machinery necessary to conduct the radiographic examinations or X-rays? 14:34:55 14:35:00 Page 159 Page 161 41 (Pages 158 to 161) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 MR. GALIHER: I object to the form of the 2 question. It's leading. 14:35: 03 14:35:03 1 2 A. Yes. Prior to a ship being accepted by the Navy, it goes on sea trials, and -- 14 :37 :2 7 14 :37:3 0 3 THE WITNESS: Our castings would be 14:35:05 3 Q. Tell the members of the jury what a sea trial 14:37:33 4 radiographed by a foundry or a lab close to that foundry 14:35:07 4 is. 14:37:33 5 that was certified. But, yes, the shipyards do have 14:35:10 5 A. The ship goes out. The Navy is running the 14:37:36 facilities to verify your results. As a matter of fact, 14:35:13 6 ship, along with people from the shipyard. And they 14:37:38 7 there was many an occasion over a period of, you know, 14:35:18 7 have basically a test that they have to run. For 14:37:41 8 counting everything, 20 years, would get a call from 14:35:21 8 example, full speed ahead, full speed reverse. All 14:37:44 9 Electric Boat, and they would say, "We have this 14:35:24 9 equipment is being operated. You know, the valves are 14:37:48 10 casting. We are going to X-ray it. Can you send me the 14:35:27 10 run up to pressure. Because to go full speed ahead or 14:37:51 11 film? We want to verify what you did." They have 14:35:30 11 full speed in reverse or whatever, all the equipment has 14:37:54 12 random inspections that they have to do, too. 14:35:34 12 to be working. And that's when usually -- when they go 14:37:57 13 BY MR. HUGO: 14:35:37 13 on sea trial, there is a technical representative from 14:38:00 14 Q. So they'd be comparing the film that was done, 14:35:37 14 the companies that supplied the equipment. And if the 14:38:03 15 for example, at the foundry with the film taken of the 14:35:41 15 equipment fails, you know, or doesn't work, you have the 14:38:06 16 finished product to make sure that they were of the same 14:35:43 16 opportunity to fix it. I mean, if it can be fixed, I 14:38:13 17 component, which became a valve? 14:35:46 17 mean -- if the ship doesn't pass the test, the Navy 14:38:15 18 A. What they were trying to do is verify that the 14:35:48 18 doesn't accept the ship -- 14:38:19 19 X-ray that you did and the acceptance of that, that it 14:35:51 19 Q. Okay. Who directed and controlled those 14:38:19 20 was a good X-ray, and they would periodically do this. 14:35:59 20 testing procedures? 14:38:21 21 Q. Based on your 44 years at Leslie and your time 14:36:03 21 A. That's the Navy. 14:38:22 22 at shipyards and aboard Navy ships, did the inspectors 14:36:06 22 Q. Are you familiar with the Naval Engineering 14:38:29 23 not only have the authority to inspect, but did they 14:36:11 23 Station or the Navy Boiler and Turbine Laboratory? 14:38:32 24 have the authority to either accept or reject products 14:36:14 24 A. It's a lab that I know had been used for shock 14:38:36 25 manufactured by Leslie? 14:36:17 25 and vibration testing of valves. 14:38:43 Page 162 Page 164 1 MR. GALIHER: I object to the form of the 14:36:18 1 Q. Was Leslie required or obligated to send 14:38:45 2 question. It's leading. 14:36:20 2 samples of its product to those facilities for testing 14:38:48 3 THE WITNESS: The shipyards and the procuring 4 activities. Not necessarily the shipyards, but 5 Mechanicburg and other depots that ordered parts. You 14:36:21 14:36:24 14:36:27 3 4 5 and inspection? A. You had to send it to an approved laboratory. In some cases, in the contracts, it was quite specific. 14:38:50 14:38:51 14:38:55 6 know, some contracts came in where there were inspection 14:36:31 6 In other cases, you just send it to a lab that had been 14:38:58 7 source, acceptance destination. They should reinspect 14:36:35 7 approved by the Navy. 14:39:02 8 at any point in time, and the shipyards -- the shipyards 14:36:37 8 MR. HUGO: I'm going to mark now another 14:39:03 9 normally inspected everything that came in. 14:36:40 9 document, and it's going to be marked as Exhibit D for 14:39:07 10 BY MR. HUGO: 14:36:44 10 identification -- 11 Q. And did you personally interface with 14:36:45 11 MR. GALIHER: I have to go to the bathroom. 12 government and shipyard quality control personnel 14:36:46 12 MR. HUGO: -- after this break so the 13 concerning the equipment supplied by Leslie pursuant to 14:36:50 13 videographer can make the time adjustments, and we'll 14 these specifications? 14:36:55 14 take a break. 15 A. Oh, yes, sir. I worked with them. 14:36:57 15 (Defendant's Exhibit D marked.) 14:39:26 16 Q. Now, you also used -17 A. A lot -- a lot of different of government 18 inspectors, a lot of different quality people at 14:36:58 16 14:36:59 17 14:37:01 18 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are going off the record. The time on the screen is 2:39. (Recess.) 14:39:26 14:39:28 14:39:31 19 different shipyards. Bath Iron Works, Newport News 14:37:06 19 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are now back on the 14:54:09 20 especially, Electric Boat. 21 Q. Okay. You told us about being seasick, so I 14:37:10 20 14:37:13 21 record. The time on the screen is 2:55. BY MR. HUGO: 14:55:06 14:55:14 22 don't want to spend a lot of time with this. 14:37:17 22 Q. Mr. Wrobel, when we took a break, we were 14:55:15 23 But after a product made its way from Leslie to 14:37:20 23 talking about testing by the United States Navy 14:55:19 24 a shipyard, was there something called a sea trial which 14:37:23 24 laboratories. I've marked for identification Leslie 14:55:22 25 occurred? 14:37:26 25 Exhibit D. Take a moment and take a look at that 14:55:25 Page 163 Page 165 42 (Pages 162 to 165) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 document. And ifyou recognize it, tell us what it is. 2 A. Give me a minute. 3 (Brief pause in proceedings.) 14:55 :2 8 1 14:55:31 2 14:55:48 3 the reading and then have the drawing. And he'd say, "Do this one," or "I want to do that." Whatever he wanted to do, I had to do it. 14:58:55 14:58:59 14:59:02 4 THE WITNESS: It's hard to read the -- I'm 14:55:49 4 Q. Based on your time working with or for him at 14:59:03 5 sorry -- request. Okay. It's a request to the United 14:55:52 5 Leslie, what was the purpose of him sending this product 14:59:08 6 States Naval Engineering Laboratory in Annapolis, and it 14:56:17 out for testing and requesting a report back from the 14:59:11 7 looks like we had an order. We were a subcontractor, 14:56:25 7 Marine Engineering Laboratory in Annapolis, Maryland? 14:59:15 8 but we had an order for a Warren pump, it looks like, 14:56:31 8 A. The contract that we got as a sub, because it 14:59:19 9 and -- 14:56:36 9 looks like here Warren -- Warren is the prime, and we 14:59:23 10 BY MR. HUGO: 14:56:37 10 were going to put one of our governors on one of their 14:59:27 11 Q. When you said Annapolis, you are talking about 14:56:37 11 pumps, I guess. That's what I'm getting from this. 14:59:30 12 Annapolis, Maryland, correct? 14:56:39 12 They delegated down the requirements that were imposed 14:59:32 13 A. Yes. Annapolis, Maryland. 14:56:40 13 on them as a direct contractor, as the prime contractor. 14:59:34 14 Q. And this is a performance test, correct? 14:56:42 14 They subdelegated down to us to reclaim that 14:59:38 15 A. It says -- this was a cover document to send a 14:56:44 15 piece of equipment that we were making for them. And 14:59:42 16 pump governor, pump pressure regulator -- okay? -- to 14:56:52 16 also, on -- the QAR, the Navy inspector at Warren Pumps, 14:59:45 17 that lab, that Navy lab because it says here, "Submitted 14:56:57 17 because there was a requirement that the valve be 14:59:50 18 for performance test to meet in accordance with 14:57:01 18 inspected and tested in accordance with the 14:59:52 19 paragraph" -- I don't know if that's 413 or number 13 -20 "a one-inch Leslie PLNS-5 Type CPQ class 1, Series 600 14:57:05 19 14:57:10 20 specifications, send what they call a letter of delegation to Mr. Mishnekoff, giving him instructions. 14:59:55 14:59:57 21 service -- standby lube pump." And they are asking to 14:57:16 21 And actually, the guy who was at Warren Pump 15:00:00 22 do a test in accordance with that. 23 And if you noticed, it's got the Navy 24 inspector, Frank Mishnekoff. That's the guy I worked 14:57:21 22 14:57:24 23 14:57:27 24 got a letter of delegation from the Navy as a prime of what he has to inspect and check on the piece of equipment. 15:00:03 15:00:08 15:00:11 25 with when I first started. And, again, his eagle. 14:57:32 25 Q. And if it fails the inspection, what's the 15:00:12 Page 166 Page 168 1 Okay? And it says, "send a report of the test to Mr. 14 :57 :3 5 1 result? 15 :00:16 2 Frank Mishnekoff, QAR, DCASD - Newark." Care of Leslie 3 Controls. That's where Mr. Mishnekoff-- 14:57:38 14:57:46 2 3 A. Number one, the equipment is stopped at whatever point it is. Okay? And depending on the 15:00:21 15:00:24 4 Q. Okay. Mishnekoff,for the record, is 14:57:47 4 severity. Okay? Example: Let's say the valve was 15:00:29 5 M-i-s-h-n-e-k-o-f-f, correct? 14:57:51 5 painted and it had some drips on it. You know what I'm 15:00:33 A. Yes, sir. 14:57:54 talking? When you spray paint, you got little beads 15:00:42 7 Q. And he was actually -- when you said stationed, 14:57:55 7 left on paint? 15:00:44 8 he was the inspector who was physically present at 14:57:58 8 Q. Right. 15:00:44 9 Leslie Company assigned there by the United States Navy, 14:58:00 9 A. He could say, "For quality purposes, I don't 10 correct? 14:58:06 10 like that." Okay? "Fix it." And if it was something 11 A. Assigned there by the government or the United 14:58:06 11 minor, he might do it like that. If he found they used 15:00:45 15:00:51 15:00:55 12 States Navy. One of them, yeah. 14:58:09 12 the wrong component -- okay? -- it could be a lengthy 15:00:59 13 Q. And were youpersonally familiar with Mr. 14:58:10 13 process. Okay? He would issue a corrective action 15:01:04 14 Mishnekoff? 14:58:13 14 report, which takes you into a whole different ball 15:01:08 15 A. When I first started there being an inspector 14:58:14 15 game, back to that 45208 where they have to do it. 15:01:13 16 trainee, as anybody who is an interim, first-start 14:58:17 16 And until you resolve the problem, until you 15:01:13 17 position, you get to do all the jobs that nobody else 14:58:21 17 can prove you've taken action to preclude recurrence, 15:01:17 18 wants to do. So I had to assist him in his inspections. 14:58:24 18 the product sits there. And, you know, if somebody 15:01:20 19 When he was doing dimensional inspections, I would get 14:58:32 19 falsified something, you go to jail. 15:01:29 20 the tools for him. I would take them to where the 14:58:35 20 Q. Now, youtalked about the fact that one 15:01:31 21 equipment was. 14:58:38 21 particular individual, Mr. Mishnekoff, was physically 15:01:36 22 He would tell me in a lot of cases, "Okay, take 14:58:38 22 present at Leslie Company when you started. 15:01:41 23 the dimension for me of -- this dimension on the valve 14:58:43 23 How long between the start of your employment 15:01:43 24 or whatever." And I would kneel down, take the 14:58:50 24 with Leslie and today has there been a US Navy inspector 15:01:46 25 dimension of a piece ofinspection equipment, and read 14:58:52 25 at Leslie? 15:01:52 Page 167 Page 169 43 (Pages 166 to 169) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 A. The entire time. 15:01:53 1 Q. Did the Navy ever ask Leslie to recall any 2 Q. Upuntiltoday-- 15:01:54 2 products that Leslie manufactured that may have 3 A. Up until today. 15:01:56 3 contained an asbestos-containing component part? 4 Q. -- literally, which is December the 1st of 15:01:57 4 A. Not to my knowledge. 5 2009, correct? 15:01:59 5 Q. At any time in time, did the Navy ask or 6 A. Yes. 15:02:00 6 instruct Leslie to affix a warning or caution statement 7 Q. You also talked about technical manuals. 15:02:00 7 to any of its products? The products themselves now as 8 Are technical manuals covered by military 15:02:10 8 opposed to the technical manual? 9 specifications as well? 15:02:14 9 A. Concerning asbestos? 10 A. Yes, they are. 15:02:16 10 Q. Yes. 11 Q. And what is the process -- actually, let me go 15:02:17 11 A. Not that I'm aware of. 12 back before I skip over something. 15:02:18 12 Q. You talked a little bit in response to Mr. 13 Exhibit D is actually a document that was 15:02:21 13 Galiher's question about a Tyfon, T-y-f-o-n, whistle, 14 obtained at your direction from records kept in the 15:02:24 14 which contained some asbestos insulation inside the 15 ordinary course of business by Leslie, correct? 15:02:27 15 product, correct? 16 A. Yes, sir. 15:02:29 16 A. Yes, sir. 17 Q. Okay. With that aside, what is the process by 15:02:30 17 Q. To your knowledge, did anybody ever order a 18 which a Leslie technical manual is drafted and reviewed 15:02:37 18 replacement piece of insulation for a Tyfon whistle from 19 by the United States Navy? 15:02:42 19 Leslie? 20 A. To my knowledge, engineering or part of 15:02:45 20 MR. GALIHER: I object to the form of the 21 engineering writes a manual in accordance with the 15:02:47 21 question as leading. 22 requirements of the mil spec. I've never read in 15:02:51 22 THE WITNESS: I have never seen any document 23 entirety. I never wrote one. But it tells what has to 15:02:55 23 where somebody ordered that. 24 be in it. It tells the size. They are very, very -- 15:02:59 24 BY MR. HUGO: 25 like any military specification, it's very defined. And 15:03:08 25 Q. Have you ever seen any document which indicates 15:04:14 15:04:18 15:04:21 15:04:25 15:04:25 15:04:33 15:04:36 15:04:41 15:04:43 15:04:44 15:04:45 15:04:47 15:04:54 15:04:59 15:05:05 15:05:06 15:05:07 15:05:11 15:05:17 15:05:18 15:05:19 15:05:20 15:05:24 15:05:26 15:05:27 Page 170 Page 172 1 once it's written, it's submitted to whoever asked you 15 :03:11 that somebody repaired a Leslie Tyfon whistle which 15:05:30 2 to do that for review and approval. 15:03:14 2 caused them to disturb or replace that asbestos 15: 05 :3 4 3 Q. And that would be the Navy; is that correct? 15:03:17 3 insulation? 15:05:38 4 A. The Navy. Or the shipyard could have done it, 15:03:19 4 A. No, sir. There is no reason to disturb that at 15:05:40 5 and then the shipyard would give it to the ship building 15:03:22 5 all. 15:05:43 or Navy or whoever required it from Navships. 15:03:25 Q. Why is that? 15:05:43 7 Q. Based on your 44 years of employment with 15:03:28 7 A. Because it's a closure, and all the components, 15:05:43 8 Leslie and your involvement in the manufacturing process 15:03:33 if you look at that drawing, can be accessed without 15:05:48 9 that you've discussed, do you have any doubt in your 15:03:37 9 even touching it. 15:05:51 10 mind that the United States Navy knew which 15:03:41 10 Q. You were shown some documents from Southern 15:05:52 11 asbestos-containing products, if any, were contained 15:03:43 11 Power and Industry dated in the 1940s from the American 15:05:59 12 within Leslie's products -- 15:03:47 12 Society of Mechanical Engineers from the 1940s as well. 15:06:07 13 MR. GALIHER: I object to the form of the -- 15:03:53 13 Do you remember that? 15:06:11 14 BY MR. HUGO: 15:03:53 14 A. Yes, sir. 15:06:11 15 Q. -- at every point in time in production? 15:03:53 15 Q. Have you ever reviewed any documents from 15:06:12 16 MR. GALIHER: I object to the form of the 15:03:55 16 either ofthose organizations that concluded or 15:06:16 17 question as leading. 15:03:55 17 suggested that asbestos-containing gaskets or packing 15:06:19 18 THE WITNESS: The government knew exactly what 15:03:56 18 posed a health hazard to people who worked with or 15:06:24 19 everything was in that valve. It's called out on the 15:03:58 19 around them in Leslie's products? 15:06:27 20 approved Navy drawing or master plan that we called it 15:04:01 20 MR. GALIHER: I object to the form of the 15:06:29 21 before. 15:04:04 21 question. 15:06:31 22 BY MR. HUGO: 15:04:04 22 THE WITNESS: No, sir, I have not. 15:06:31 23 Q. Did the Navy ever ask Leslie to put a warning 15:04:05 23 MR. HUGO: And that is the extent of my 15:06:40 24 regarding asbestos in any of Leslie's technical manuals? 15:04:09 24 examination at this point. 15:06:42 25 A. Not to my knowledge. 15:04:13 25 Anybody else have any questions? I'm hearing 15:06:47 Page 171 Page 173 44 (Pages 170 to 173) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 none. 15:06:52 1 document, however. It's A you are talking about? 15:11:13 2 MS. SHELDON: Marie Sheldon. I don't have any 15:06:53 2 THE WITNESS: I believe so. 15:11:16 3 questions. Thanks. 15:06:54 3 MR. HUGO: Mr. Wrobel, I knowyou have a lot of 15:11:17 4 MR. HUGO: I believe that the deposition is 15:06:59 4 documents here, but just look at that one and compare it 15:11:21 5 concluded. We should go off the record, and -- 15:07:01 5 to Exhibit A and make sure it's the military 15:11:23 6 MR. GALIHER: No. I need to ask some 15:07:02 6 specification for the same thing. 15:11:28 7 follow-up. 15:07:03 7 THE WITNESS: 12 November of '68, superseding 15:11:29 8 MR. HUGO: Okay. 15:07:03 8 -- 15:11:29 9 MR. GALIHER: I was just waiting for the round 15:07:04 9 MR. HUGO: Not the one -- 15:11:33 10 Robin to roll in, if the co-defendants are all finished. 15:07:06 10 THE WITNESS: When I looked here, I looked at 15:11:33 11 MR. HUGO: You want to do one at a time? 15:08:46 11 the wrong -- 15:11:35 12 MR. GALIHER: No. Both, the same. 15:08:48 12 MR. HUGO: No. That's fine. We'll get clear. 15:11:36 13 (Plaintiffs' Exhibits 21, 22 marked.) 15:08:48 13 Not the date, but just the right product. Is it the 15:11:37 14 FURTHER EXAMINATION 15:08:57 14 exact same type of valve, or is it a different -- 15:11:40 15 BY MR. GALIHER: 15:08:57 15 THE WITNESS: No. It's the same specification. 15:11:43 16 Q. Mr. Wrobel, counsel asked you some questions on 15:08:58 16 MR. HUGO: Okay. 15:11:44 17 Exhibit A having to do with the military specification 15:09:03 17 BY MR. GALIHER: 15:11:45 18 for valves pressure reducing steam service. 15:09:06 18 Q. So -- 15:11:48 19 Do you recall? 15:09:12 19 A. And this document, Exhibit A, says it 15:11:48 20 A. Yes. 15:09:12 20 superseded MIL-V-17848 (ships,) November 1958. And this 15:11:54 21 Q. I believe that was a mil spec dated 12 November 15:09:13 21 one is the document that this supersedes. 15:12:02 22 -- isthat 1966? 15:09:24 22 MR. HUGO: Okay. 15:12:07 23 A. 12 or 19 November. 15:09:33 23 BY MR. GALIHER: 15:12:10 24 Q. It's '66 or '68? 15:09:34 24 Q. And that's the same, and that '58, in fact, 15:12:11 25 A. 12 November 1966. 15:09:35 25 superseded the original, which was 17 October 1955; is 15:12:14 Page 174 Page 176 1 MR. GALIHER: Okay. Do we have a better date 15:09:38 1 that correct? 15:12:23 2 than that? 15:09:48 2 A. Yes, sir. 15:12:23 3 MR. DEROBERTIS: No. 15:09:49 3 Q. Okay. And just so we are clear, the military 15:12:26 4 BY MR. GALIHER: 15:09:52 4 specification is a description of a product; is that 15:12:33 5 Q. Okay. Thatmil spec that was marked as Exhibit 15:09:52 5 correct? 15:12:36 A actually supersedes the previous mil spec that covered 15:09:56 6 A. I guess the word "description" -- it's the 15:12:36 7 that valve; is that correct? And I've just showed you 15:10:01 7 specification that covers regulating valves for steam 15:12:49 8 Exhibit 22 and 21. See if those are the preceding 15:10:07 8 service. 15:12:49 9 military specifications, if that's the one your counsel 15:10:12 9 Q. Okay. You used the example ofthat glass 15:12:54 10 directed your attention to? 15:10:16 10 sitting next to you. 15:12:54 11 A. No. I think this is superseding--that's 15:10:26 11 If there was a military specification of that, 15:12:57 12 superseding. Oh, it says, "superseding." The document 15:10:30 12 it would say, umpety-ump kind of glass and this height 15:13:00 13 that this replaced, it looks like is dated 19 November. 15:10:34 13 and that width and whatever, that's clear to see 15:13:03 14 And this is 17 October, and this is 17 October. 15:10:39 14 through, whatever, rather than say, "A Leslie water 15:13:05 15 MR. DEROBERTIS: That's B. 15:10:55 15 glass." It's a description of what the product is, or 15:13:10 16 BY MR. GALIHER: 15:10:56 16 what the end product here is supposed to be built 15:13:13 17 Q. I have a cleaner copy here. And up at the top, 15:10:57 17 according to specification; is that correct? 15:13:16 18 it says, "12 November 1968." Do you want to just take a 15:11:01 18 A. Yes. It's how to build that product. 15:13:17 19 look at that and make sure I'm talking about the right 15:11:05 19 Q. Okay. It might not be a Halliburton glass, but 15:13:21 20 date? 15:11:05 20 Halliburton could make a specification that would 15:13:26 21 A. Oh, wait a minute. Maybe I'm reading it wrong. 15:11:05 21 describe it that would meet a military specification? 15:13:28 22 MR. HUGO: I think that's the correct -- 15:11:06 22 A. As long as the configuration met all the 15:13:31 23 MR. GALIHER: 1968. I just don't want to 15:11:08 23 requirements of this. 15:13:31 24 create any confusion. 15:11:10 24 Q. Okay. So it's basically how to avoid a 15:13:33 25 MR. HUGO: I don't know that this is the same 15:11:11 25 brand-name so that other people can bid on it at least 15:13:35 Page 175 Page 177 45 (Pages 174 to 177) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 in theory ifyou are going to produce it? 2 A. No. I think it's putting requirements in so 3 the valve performs the way it's supposed to perform. 4 Q. Okay. Soifthe military wasgoingtomakea 5 specification to buy Drano to clean their toilets, they 6 don't say, "Military specification for Drano." They'll 7 describe what it can do, little pellets that are made 8 out of X, Y, and Z and clean your toilet," is what I'm 9 saying. It's a description of a product? 10 A. And probably if it was Drano, it would say, 11 "The pellets should consist of so much percent of this, 12 so much percent of this, so much percent of this," or 13 "This be the diameter," or "This be the color of this," 14 et cetera, et cetera. 15 Q. But the idea is to have an objective 16 description of it that would meet some sort of 17 performance specification, work like it's supposed to, 18 but somebody else could make it besides the Drano 19 company? 20 A. Somebody else could make a valve to this 21 specification. 22 Q. Okay. That's all I'm asking. 23 A. If they went through all that they had to do. 24 Q. Okay. Now, your counsel showed you his Exhibit 25 B -- or was that A? That was A -- and that was a 15:13:38 1 15:13:41 2 15:13:45 3 15:13:47 4 15:13:52 5 15:13:57 6 15:14:01 7 15:14:04 8 15:14:08 9 15:14:09 10 15:14:12 11 15:14:12 12 15:14:15 13 15:14:18 14 15:14:18 15 15:14:21 16 15:14:24 17 15:14:25 18 15:14:28 19 15:14:29 20 15:14:33 21 15:14:33 22 15:14:35 23 15:14:37 24 15:14:43 25 A. No, sir. But those specifications become part of this specification. Q. No. But I'm saying, in the later iteration, the one your counsel brought to your attention, it specifically says asbestos -- metallic asbestos spiral round -- is that correct -- and that's not specifically listed in the previous iteration? A. That's correct. The previous iteration does not have a table -- well, it has a table, but in the table it doesn't list gasketing. However, what I'm saying, these other specifications, which become part of, could call out the requirements for the gasketing. Q. And both A and 21 and 22 list specifications as a second applicable document, and only in the one that your counsel selected to show you does it spell out our ad (phonetic) gaskets metallic asbestos; isthat correct? A. The earlier document does not call for spiral round gaskets. The later document does, and -- Q. And likewise -- go ahead. A. And basically, I'm assuming that's when we went to the later reducing valve where we went from the copper jacketed to the spiral round. Q. So that change in the gasketing was specified by this specification that came out in 1968, that 15:18:42 15:18:45 15:18:46 15:18:48 15:18:52 15:19:04 15:19:07 15:19:11 15:19:14 15:19:17 15:19:21 15:19:24 15:19:31 15:19:40 15:19:45 15:19:51 15:19:55 15:19:55 15:20:00 15:20:03 15:20:04 15:20:08 15:20:13 15:20:16 15:20:24 Page 178 Page 180 specification for this valve you described, and he 2 walked you through the part where it said gaskets, metallic asbestos spiral round. 4 Do you recall that? 5 A. Yes, sir. Q. That military specification superseded the one that was developed in November, 19 November 1968, whicl in fact superseded the one before that was developed in 9 October, October 17th, 1955; is that correct? 10 A. Yes, sir, in that sequence. 11 Q. And the two iterations before that, for the 12 decade and a half or the 13 years before that, there is 13 no such description of the gasketing material; is that 14 correct? 15 A. I don't know. I don't think I've ever seen 16 that. 17 Q. Well, why don't you take your time and go 18 through it? 19 A. I don't see it listed in the table as in the 20 later. However, these bureaus' drawings, without having 21 them in front of me, I can't tell if they reference 22 gasket and the type to be used. They could be listed in 23 these other documents. 24 Q. But it's not listed on the specification as 25 a -- 15 :14:4 6 1 15 :14:5 0 2 15 :14:5 9 3 15:15: 01 4 15:15: 02 5 15:15: 02 6 15:15: 10 7 15:15: 17 8 15 :15:2 7 9 15:15: 30 10 15:15: 32 11 15:15: 35 12 15:15: 39 13 15:15: 45 14 15:15: 45 15 15 :15:4 8 16 15 :15:4 9 17 15 :15:51 18 15:18:21 19 15:18:25 20 15:18:31 21 15:18:34 22 15:18:38 23 15:18:40 24 15:18:42 25 superseded the 1958 specification; is that correct? A. That's what I'm saying from these documents, that the later one is the spiral round. Q. And with respect to the three specifications in front of you, the three iterations of the same specification, the '55, the '58, and the '68, they are absolutely silent on the type of packing that should be incorporated; is that correct? A. That's correct because pressure reducing valves don't have packing. Q. With respect to your weight calculations that you made for Mr. Hugo, you are not a marine engineer, are you? A. No, sir. Q. And you don't have any notes for those calculations, do you? A. No, sir, I do not. Q. And did you work that out with counsel beforehand, those calculations? A. I did that maybe -- because when I was asked or tearing gaskets apart, and I said, "This is very time consuming." So I took it on my own -- I actually did it on an Excel spreadsheet. Q. When was this? A. A year and a half ago. 15:20:30 15:20:33 15:20:35 15:20:39 15:20:45 15:20:50 15:20:55 15:20:58 15:21:00 15:21:17 15:21:17 15:21:19 15:21:24 15:21:25 15:21:25 15:21:27 15:21:29 15:21:30 15:21:37 15:21:45 15:21:53 15:21:55 15:21:59 15:22:00 15:22:01 Page 179 Page 181 46 (Pages 178 to 181) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 Q. Okay. Itwasafterthe litigation. While you 15:22:05 1 stamp that also back then they used to stamp every 15:25:14 2 were testifying in this litigation, you did this little 15 :22 :0 8 2 valve. 15:25:18 3 experiment? 15:22:12 3 (Plaintiffs' Exhibit 23 marked.) 15:26:51 4 A. When I was testifying in this litigation? 15:22:12 4 BY MR. GALIHER: 15:26:51 5 Q. Yes. The asbestos litigation generally. 15:22:14 5 Q. I marked as Exhibit 23 military specification 15:26:52 A. Oh, yes, sir. 15:22:16 6 form manual, technical, for mechanical and electrical 15:27:01 7 Q. And the weight that you calculated didn't 15:22:20 7 equipment dated 10 September 1957. 15:27:05 8 include any asbestos insulation that Leslie recommended 15:22:27 8 You can take your time to review that, and I'm 15:27:14 9 be installed around the valves for condensation, does 15:22:31 9 going to ask you a question about paragraph 3.4.3.2 (c) 15:27:17 10 it? 15:22:38 10 on page 17 that deals with warning. 15:27:28 11 MR. HUGO: Objection; misstates the prior 15:22:38 11 A. I'll just read the scope of the document -- 15:27:50 12 testimony. 15:22:39 12 Q. Sure. 15:27:50 13 THE WITNESS: No, sir. This was just--if you 15:22:40 13 MR. HUGO: Take your time and read the whole 15:27:52 14 had a gasket here, basically what it would weigh. And 15:22:42 14 thing if you need to, if you are not familiar with that 15:27:54 15 if you took off the metal and just had the filler, what 15:22:46 15 document. 15:27:56 16 the filler would weigh. That's all it was. 15:22:49 16 BY MR. GALIHER: 15:28:09 17 BY MR. GALIHER: 15:22:51 17 Q. This is in response to questions counsel put to 15:28:10 18 Q. This had nothing to do with sheet gaskets, huh? 15:22:51 18 you having to do with specifications for writing manuals 15:28:12 19 A. I did calculate the sheet gaskets, too -- also. 15:22:54 19 and technical publications for equipment. 15:28:17 20 Q. Exhibit D, this was a Warren Pumps exhibit, or 15:23:11 20 (Brief pause in proceedings.) 15:29:24 21 the prime contractor on this was Warren Pumps? 15:23:27 21 THE WITNESS: I'm trying to read all the 15:30:29 22 A. Which one? 15:23:30 22 sections to see -- 15:30:29 23 Q. D. 15:23:31 23 MR. GALIHER: No. You go ahead and take all 15:30:31 24 A. Yes, sir. If you look at block 3, it says, 15:23:35 24 the time you need. That's fine. 15:30:33 25 "Prime contractor: Warren Pump." 15:23:38 25 (Pause in proceedings.) 15:33:19 Page 182 Page 184 1 Q. Okay. Is that someone that Leslie frequently 15:23:40 1 THE WITNESS: Okay. I've got a general idea of 15:36:12 2 teamed up with as far as equipment going aboard naval 15:23:50 2 what it's about. 15:36:14 3 vessels? 15:23:55 3 BY MR. GALIHER: 15:36:16 4 MS. SHELDON: Objection; misstates the 15:24:04 4 Q. Do you recognize this specification? 15:36:17 5 testimony as far as Leslie and Warren were specifically 15:24:08 5 A. I don't believe I've ever read this. 15:36:19 6 teaming up. 15:24:08 6 Q. Okay. This specification as referred to, is it 15:36:21 7 THE WITNESS: I'm just saying what this was. 15:24:10 7 not in our Exhibit 22? 15:36:31 8 BY MR. GALIHER: 15:24:14 8 MR. HUGO: Objection; lack of foundation, calls 15:36:37 9 Q. Sure. I'm asking you -- 15:24:14 9 for hearsay. 15:36:41 10 A. I never saw a Warren pump at Leslie. But 15:24:15 10 BY MR. GALIHER: 15:36:41 11 Leslie made pressure regulators, and Warren Pump ordered 15:24:19 11 Q. Do you recall those questions where your 15:36:48 12 a pump pressure regulator from us. They were the prime. 15:24:22 12 counsel was asking you about how -- was it their 15:36:49 13 We were the sub. We complied with the contract. 15:24:25 13 specifications that told you how to write these manuals, 15:36:52 14 Q. From reviewing documents and your own 15:24:27 14 technical manuals? Do you remember that? 15:36:56 15 experience at Leslie, was Warren Pumps a frequent 15:24:30 15 A. Yes, sir. 15:36:57 16 contractor that you worked with or Leslie worked with in 15:24:34 16 Q. Okay. Is that what this specification deals 15:36:58 17 conjunction with equipment going aboard naval vessels? 15:24:38 17 with? 15:37:01 18 A. I have -- "frequent," I don't know how to 15:24:42 18 MR. HUGO: Objection; vague, ambiguous, 15:37:02 19 define that. I have seen documents as I've gone through 15:24:49 19 overbroad, lack of foundation, calls for hearsay. 15:37:04 20 things, kind of microfilm, where I have seen Leslie ship 15:24:52 20 BY MR. GALIHER: 15:37:07 21 valves to Warren Pump. 15:24:58 21 Q. Just so I'm referencing this correctly, mil 15:37:08 22 Q. Okay. This stamp that's on D, is that one of 15:25:00 22 spec M15071, "Military Specification Manual, Technical, 15:37:12 23 those rubber stamps you were describing? 15:25:03 23 For Mechanical and Electrical Equipment, Less 15:37:21 24 A. Yes, sir. That's what they called the Navy 15:25:05 24 Electronics." 15:37:26 25 inspector's eagle. He also had a high-impact metal 15:25:08 25 Do you see that? 15:37:27 Page 183 Page 185 47 (Pages 182 to 185) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 A. Yes, sir. That's what it says. 15:37:28 1 the original iteration of this military specification 15:39:57 2 Q. Okay. And this is basically telling you how to 3 write a manual; is that correct? 15:37:30 2 15:37:32 3 for the Leslie valve that you were building that counsel pointed out to you that's dated 17 October 1955; is that 15:40:03 15:40:06 4 MR. HUGO: Objection; lack of foundation,calls 15:37:33 4 correct? 15:40:13 5 for hearsay. 15:37:37 5 A. Yes, sir. 15:40:13 6 THE WITNESS: To me, it looks like it gives the 15:37:37 Q. And if you turn to the second page there, about 7 minimum requirements of how a manual should be prepared. 15:37:41 7 two-thirds or three-quarters of the way down that list, 8 BY MR. GALIHER: 15:37:44 8 it says, "MIL-T-15071 technical manuals for mechanical 15:40:13 15:40:17 15:40:20 9 Q. Okay. And just so we are clear, this 15:37:44 9 and electrical equipment." Is that this very same 15:40:26 10 specification is called for and must be complied with 15:37:49 10 specification? 15:40:29 11 for the manufacturer of the valves that you are 15:37:54 11 A. Yes, sir. 15:40:30 12 manufacturing; is that correct? 15:37:57 12 Q. So it would seem to apply to that one as well? 15:40:30 13 MR. HUGO: Objection; calls for hearsay, lacks 15:37:58 13 MR. HUGO: Same objections. 15:40:33 14 foundation. 15:38:03 14 BY MR. GALIHER: 15:40:35 15 THE WITNESS: If this manual is called out in 15:38:03 15 Q. Then on Exhibit A, which was the 1958 -- pardon 15:40:35 16 the specification as the technical manual specification, 15:38:06 16 me -- 1968 revision, November 12,1968, ifyou go to the 15:40:48 17 this is the manual that I would say you'd have to write 15:38:08 17 eighth page, page 8 at the bottom, middle, and the 15:40:59 18 the manual to. 15:38:13 18 second paragraph says, "Manuals." 15:41:12 19 BY MR. GALIHER: 20 Q. Okay. We are on the same page. No pun 15:38:14 19 15:38:15 20 Do you see that? A. Yes, sir. 15:41:13 15:41:15 21 intended. We'll get there. 15:38:17 21 Q. It says, "Manuals shall be furnished in 15:41:16 22 So our Exhibits 21 and 22, can you take a look 15:38:19 22 accordance with type 1 of MIL-M-15071." 15:41:19 23 at those? Are those still in front of you? Those were 15:38:25 23 Again, is that this very specification we are 15:41:25 24 the earlier specifications for the valves. 15:38:28 24 talking about? 15:41:27 25 A. I got a little blurry for a minute. 15:38:36 25 MR. HUGO: Objection; calls for hearsay, lacks 15:41:28 Page 186 Page 188 1 Q. That'sfine. That'sfine. Let's look at 15:38:39 1 foundation, calls for speculation. 15:41:31 2 Exhibit 21 first. 15:38:51 2 THE WITNESS: It's calling for this 15:41:33 3 Is that the first one? Well, 21, this is 15:38:53 3 specification. 15:41:34 4 November 19,1958. And ifyou go to the second page, 15:39:02 4 BY MR. GALIHER: 15:41:36 5 page 2, about three-quarters of the way down where it 15:39:06 5 Q. To be adhered to or applied in making the 15:41:36 6 says "MIL-M-15071 manual" -- do you see that? 15:39:15 6 valve? 15:41:39 7 A. Yes, sir I do. 15:39:20 7 A. Adhered to or applied, but not necessarily that 15:41:39 8 Q. -- does that appear to be this very 15:39:21 8 particular revision. I don't -- 15:41:40 9 specification? 15:39:24 9 Q. I understand that. I understand, but we are 15:41:41 10 MR. HUGO: Objection; lacksfoundation and 15:39:25 10 still talking there was a specification that dealt with 15:41:44 11 calls for speculation. 15:39:26 11 this that Leslie was required to comply with; is that 15:41:47 12 THE WITNESS: Yes, sir, it does. 15:39:27 12 correct? 15:41:50 13 BY MR. GALIHER: 15:39:28 13 A. Yes, sir. Required to write a manual. 15:41:50 14 Q. Okay. So your interpretation of that as 15:39:29 14 Q. Now, I want to direct your attention to our 15:41:52 15 building the valves at Leslie, you would be required to 15:39:32 15 Exhibit --1 believe it's 23 --1 just had marked. 15:41:56 16 comply with this -- is that correct? -- as part of this 15:39:36 16 That is that specification that was issued 10 15:41:58 17 specification? 15:39:38 17 September 1957 that superseded the 16 August 1954. 15:42:05 18 MR. HUGO: Same objections. 15:39:39 18 Do you see that? 15:42:11 19 THE WITNESS: Ifwe were asked to write a 15:39:40 19 A. Yes, sir. 15:42:12 20 manual. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. 15:39:41 20 Q. And I want to direct your attention to page 17 15:42:14 21 BY MR. GALIHER: 15:39:44 21 of that. I have 17 in the lower right-hand corner of 15:42:16 22 Q. Sure. We've looked at earlier manuals today 15:39:45 22 mine. And up at the top, it says, "Wording." 15:42:46 23 that Leslie wrote; is that correct? 15:39:47 23 A. Yes, sir. I see that. 15:42:50 24 A. Yes, sir. 15:39:49 24 Q. And this is describing the wording that should 15:42:51 25 Q. And likewise, if we go to Exhibit 22, that is 15:39:49 25 be followed to comply with this specification, and it 15:42:55 Page 187 Page 189 48 (Pages 186 to 189) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 indicates that it should be concise and readily 15:43:02 1 warning there as it appears on the specification, that 15:45:20 2 understandable to relatively inexperienced personnel 15:43:05 2 that's exactly what it was trying to impart, that kind 15:45:23 3 involved in the operation and maintenance of their 15:43:08 3 of important information to a technician that was doing 15:45:26 4 equipment; is that correct? 15:43:11 4 maintenance on Leslie equipment; is that correct? 15:45:29 5 A. That's what it says, sir. 15:43:13 5 A. Yes, sir. 15:45:32 Q. So it would supply technicians with sufficient 15:43:15 6 Q. With respect to asbestos, Leslie never issued a 15:45:33 7 information to install, operate, service, and maintain 15:43:19 7 warning like this about asbestos, did it? 15:45:39 8 the equipment at peak performance; is that correct? 15:43:24 8 A. I've never seen a warning about asbestos in any 15:45:42 9 A. That's what it states, sir. 15:43:27 9 manual. 15:45:50 10 Q. And then going down to the next paragraph 15:43:28 10 Q. And Leslie never told the technicians that were 15:45:51 11 towards the end that says "WARNING," in capitals saying 15:43:32 11 working on their Leslie valves or any of their Leslie 15:45:58 12 "Operating procedures, practices, etc, which will result 15:43:36 12 steam equipment to avoid breathing asbestos dust; is 15:46:05 13 in personal injury or loss of life if not correctly 15:43:41 13 that correct? 15:46:08 14 followed." 15:43:46 14 A. I've never seen that in any manual. 15:46:08 15 Do you see that? 15:43:46 15 MR. GALIHER: That's all the questions we have. 15:46:14 16 A. Yes, sir. 15:43:47 16 Thank you. 15:46:15 17 Q. So that was a requirement by the specification 15:43:47 17 MR. HUGO: Hold on. Sorry. I've got a few 15:46:15 18 when Leslie was manufacturing these valves, when they 15:43:50 18 more. If you pass that back to me. Picking up on 15:46:18 19 were writing these technical manuals; is that correct? 15:43:55 19 Exhibit 14, it had a -- the document in front of you, 15:46:21 20 MR. HUGO: Objection; calls for hearsay, lacks 15:43:57 20 pass that back to me. Thank you. 15:46:28 21 foundation. 15:44:02 21 FURTHER EXAMINATION 15:46:28 22 THE WITNESS: It's a requirement -- I'm sorry. 15:44:02 22 BY MR. HUGO: 15:46:28 23 MR. HUGO: Go ahead. 15:44:04 23 Q. Exhibit 14, it had a warning regarding a 15:46:29 24 THE WITNESS: It's a requirement that's imposed 15:44:04 24 flammable solvent. 15:46:32 25 by this specification. "If operating procedures, 15:44:10 25 Do you know if Leslie or the Navy included that 15:46:33 Page 190 Page 192 1 practices, et cetera" -- they'd have to put a warning 15:44:14 language, put that language into the manual? 15:46:37 2 there -- "which would result in personal injury or loss 15:44:18 2 MR. GALIHER: Just so the record is clear, I 15:46:43 3 of life." 15:44:21 3 was referring to the -- the page that that appears on is 15:46:45 4 BY MR. GALIHER: 15:44:22 4 Bates number 000850. 15:46:48 5 Q. Okay. So with respect to our earlier exhibits 15:44:22 5 MR. HUGO: All right. Let's find that 15:46:54 6 today, we had a technical manual that Leslie prepared 15:44:25 document. 15:46:56 7 for air priority valve --1 believe it was Exhibit 14, 15:44:30 7 MS. WAXMAN: Ithinkit'sthatone. 15:47:04 8 I'll see if you recall this -- that indicated in 15:44:36 MR. GALIHER: Which one? 15:47:04 9 cleaning -- it said "WARNING," in capital letters, 15:44:39 9 MS. WAXMAN: Oh,no. Sorry. 15:47:07 10 W-A-R-N-I-N-G, "Flammable and toxic solvents should be 15:44:42 10 MR. O'CONNELL: I don't know ifI have a 15:47:09 11 used only in well-ventilated areas. Avoid breathing 15:44:49 11 truncated version. Mine looks like this. 15:47:11 12 solvent vapors." 15:44:52 12 MR. GALIHER: Is there a number on it? 15:47:22 13 Do you recall that? 15:44:54 13 THEWITNESS: 14. 15:47:22 14 A. Yes, sir, I do. 15:44:54 14 BY MR. HUGO: 15:47:39 15 Q. Would you agree that Leslie probably complied 15:44:54 15 Q. 14. Okay. So I've got Exhibit 14, and it 15:47:39 16 with warning the technicians here about using flammable 15:44:57 16 indicates on the back of the first page "Department of 15:47:46 17 and toxic solvents should only be done in 15:45:01 17 the Navy, Naval Ships Systems Command"; is that correct? 15:47:52 18 well-ventilated areas? 15:45:05 18 A. Yes, sir. 15:47:55 19 A. That's what that says, though I don't know if 15:45:05 19 Q. Do you know whether or not, and there is -- 15:47:56 20 that document was written in accordance with this 15:45:08 20 before I get to that other question, there is an 15:47:58 21 document. 15:45:10 21 approval and procurement page, and there's some contract 15:48:01 22 Q. Okay. But it would appear that it was giving 15:45:10 22 numbers and NAVSEA, numbers. 15:48:07 23 such a warning; is that correct? 15:45:13 23 Do you know with regard to this particular 15:48:12 24 A. It appears that way, sir. 15:45:16 24 document whether Leslie or the Navy inserted this 15:48:15 25 Q. And it would appear from the definition of 15:45:17 25 wording/language under 5.2 for cleaning? 15:48:19 Page 191 Page 193 49 (Pages 190 to 193) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 A. I have no idea, sir. I wasn't around when that 15:48:22 1 Q. Exhibit 23, that was the specification that had 15:51:10 2 was written. 3 Q. Okay. With regard to this document, which 15:48:25 2 15:48:25 3 to be complied with when Leslie manufactured these valves; is that correct -- 15:51:16 15:51:20 4 you've never seen before, which is mil spec M-15071, 15:48:27 4 MR. HUGO: Same objections. 15:51:21 5 this one dated September 9,1957, which is Exhibit 23, 15:48:34 5 BY MR. GALIHER: 15:51:22 6 the language counsel referred to was, "Warning: 15:48:41 6 Q. -- in that period of time? 15:51:22 7 Operating procedures, practices, et cetera, which will 15:48:46 7 A. I'm sorry,sir. Where are we? I'm a little 15:51:23 8 result in personal injury or loss of life if not 15:48:49 8 lost here. I'm getting a little foggy. 15:51:26 9 correctly followed." 15:48:53 9 Q. With respect to the specifications -- I believe 15:51:31 10 Sir, do you have an opinion as to whether any 15:48:54 10 we walked through that -- this specification of 15071 15:51:33 11 operating procedures around a Leslie valve, which 15:48:57 11 was the military specification that dictated how a 15:51:44 12 contains either a gasket with an asbestos component or 15:49:03 12 technical manual should be written? 15:51:48 13 packing, will result in injury or loss of life if not 15:49:05 13 A. Oh, yes, sir. Okay. 15:51:50 14 correctly followed? 15:49:10 14 Q. And that, in fact, is what controlled Leslie 15:51:52 15 MR. GALIHER: I object to the form of the 15:49:10 15 valves when they manufactured these valves; is that 15:51:57 16 question, calling for an opinion. 15:49:12 16 correct -- 15:51:59 17 THE WITNESS: I know of no harmful effects of 15:49:13 17 MR. HUGO: Same objections. 15:51:59 18 working with gaskets and packing. 15:49:19 18 BY MR. GALIHER: 15:52:00 19 BY MR. HUGO: 15:49:21 19 Q. -- when they were writing the manuals? 15:52:01 20 Q. And finally, you were asked a question earlier 15:49:21 20 MR. HUGO: Same objections. 15:52:02 21 where the preamble indicated Leslie recommended 15:49:24 21 THE WITNESS: If that particular specification 15:52:03 22 insulation around the valves. That was Mr. Galiher's 15:49:27 22 was called out in the valve specification. 15:52:06 23 phrase. 15:49:33 23 BY MR. GALIHER: 15:52:09 24 Did Leslie ever recommend that the valves -- 15:49:34 24 Q. Okay. And we went through all three iterations 15:52:10 25 that is, the body of the valves -- be insulated on its 15:49:37 25 of the valve specification, did we not? 15:52:13 Page 194 Page 196 1 exterior? 15:49:41 1 A. We did in these, yes. 15:52:14 2 A. I've never seen that in any manual. 15:49:42 2 Q. And they all refer to the same technical manual 15:52:15 3 MR. HUGO: Thank you. 15:49:45 3 specification? 15:52:18 4 FURTHER EXAMINATION 15:49:46 4 MR. HUGO: Same objections. 15:52:18 5 BY MR. GALIHER: 15:49:46 5 THEWITNESS: Yes,sir. 15:52:19 6 Q. With respect to the technical manuals that were 15:49:48 BY MR. GALIHER: 15:52:19 7 -- can I have that exhibit back? 15:49:55 7 Q. Okay. And with respect to this mil spec, what 15:52:20 8 The technical manual that was referred to as 15:49:59 8 does it say with respect to warning? What should the 15:52:28 9 Exhibit 14 was prepared by Leslie, was it not? 15:50:02 9 manufacturer warn about? 15:52:31 10 A. Yes, sir, it was. 15:50:07 10 MR. HUGO: Objection; lack of foundation, calls 15:52:32 11 Q. And you've testified before that all statements 15:50:08 11 for speculation, and hearsay. 15:52:34 12 in these technical manuals were by Leslie; is that 15:50:12 12 THE WITNESS: I believe I read that before, but 15:52:36 13 correct? 15:50:17 13 -- 15:52:38 14 A. Yes, sir. We drafted them that way, but they 15:50:17 14 BY MR. GALIHER: 15:52:38 15 could have been revised. 15:50:20 15 Q. Can you read it again? 15:52:39 16 Q. And the mil specs themselves on writing manuals 15:50:26 16 A. "Warning: Operating procedures, practices, et 15:52:39 17 did in fact say that the manufacturers or suppliers 15:50:51 17 cetera, which will result in personal injury or loss of 15:52:43 18 should address maintenance-type warnings; is that 15:50:55 18 life if not followed correctly." 15:52:45 19 correct? 15:50:58 19 Q. Okay. And Leslie never warned in their manuals 15:52:47 20 MR. HUGO: Same objections as earlier asserted; 15:50:58 20 about their products to have technicians not breathe 15:52:53 21 lack of foundation, calls for speculation, hearsay. 15:51:01 21 asbestos dust or expose themselves to asbestos products; 15:52:59 22 THE WITNESS: What are we reading? 15:51:03 22 is that correct? 15:53:03 23 MR. HUGO: He is directing you back to Exhibit 15:51:07 23 MR. HUGO: Objection; asked and answered. 15:53:04 24 23. 15:51:10 24 THE WITNESS: I've never seen that listed in 15:53:06 25 BY MR. GALIHER: 15:51:10 25 the manuals. 15:53:08 Page 195 Page 197 50 (Pages 194 to 197) A309C8E MATTHEW WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 1 MR. GALIHER: Okay. Thank you. With the 2 exception of our stipulation, I'm done as far as oral 15:53:0 9 15:53:12 1 2 ) ) 3 examination. But if we don't have a stipulation, I will 15:53:15 3 4 have to do something. 15:53:18 4 5 MR. HUGO: Right. So we should take a break at 15:53:21 5 6 this point and get that ironed out. 6 15:53:23 7 MR. O'CONNELL: So are we closed with -8 MR. GALIHER: No. It depends. If they don't 9 stipulate, no. We'll have to ask more questions on the 15:53:23 15:53:23 15:53:38 7 8 9 10 I, the undersigned, declare under penalty of perjury that I have read the foregoing transcript, and I have made any corrections, additions or deletions that I was desirous of making; that the foregoing is a true and 10 documents, but I'm hoping we won't have to. 15:53:39 11 correct transcript of my testimony contained therein. 11 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Should I end this? Is there 15:53:39 12 EXECUTED this day of , 12 another one? 15:53:39 13 , at , . 13 MR. GALIHER: Yes. I think that would be a 15:53:39 (City) (State) 14 safe way to proceed. We are either going to be done, or 15:53:39 14 15 you are going to need a disk. 15:53:42 15 16 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: This marks the end of video 15:53:42 17 number three in the deposition of Matthew Wrobel on 18 December 1st, 2009. We are now going off the record. 19 The time on the screen is 3:54. 20 (Recess.) 21 MR. GALIHER: The plaintiffs have agreed with 22 Leslie that our next two exhibits will be Exhibit 24, 23 which is a listing of the exhibits to the deposition of 24 Mr. Wrobel that was taken on August 1st, 2006, and it 25 lists Exhibits 1 through 94. 15:53:45 16 15:53:53 17 15:53:56 16:01:51 16:01:51 16:01:56 16:02:01 18 19 20 21 22 23 16:02:05 24 16:02:14 25 MATTHEW WROBEL Page 198 Page 200 1 Exhibit Number 25 is selected exhibits from 16:02:19 1 REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE 2 Exhibit 24, and the ones that are in bold print on 24 3 are actually printed out and tabbed as Exhibits 7 4 through 94 on Exhibit 25. They are not complete. They 5 are just the ones that are bold type. We have agreed 6 that those are authentic, and there's no foundational 7 issues with respect to those exhibits. 8 MR. HUGO: So agreed. 9 (Plaintiffs' Exhibits 24, 25 marked.) 10 MR. GALIHER: Thank you. Let's take lunch. 11 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Should something else be put 12 on the record about how we did not close up the video 13 formally? 14 MR. GALIHER: Oh, whatever you want to make you 15 happy. Sure. 16 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We finished the videotaped 17 deposition without formally closing out the videotaped 18 deposition after three disks. 19 THE COURT REPORTER: Mr. Hugo, do you want a 20 copy? 21 MR. HUGO: Yes. 22 THE COURT REPORTER: Okay. 16 :02:2 5 2 16:02:31 3 16:02:36 4 16:02:41 5 16:02:44 6 16:02:50 7 16:02:53 8 16:02:55 9 10 16:02:55 11 16:03:08 12 16:03:08 13 16:03:08 14 16:03:08 15 16:03:08 16 16:03:09 17 16:03:10 18 16:03:13 19 16:03:13 20 16:03:13 21 16:03:13 22 16:03:16 I, JOANNE BALBONI, CSR No. 10206, Certified Shorthand Reporter, certify: That the foregoing proceedings were taken before me at the time and place therein set forth, at which time the witness was put under oath by me; That the testimony of the witness, the questions propounded, and all objections and statements made at the time of the examination were recorded stenographically by me and were thereafter transcribed; That the foregoing is a true and correct transcript of my shorthand notes so taken. I further certify that I am not a relative or employee of any attorney of the parties, nor financially interested in the action. I declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of California that the foregoing is true and correct. Dated this 11th day of December, 2009. 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WROBEL DECEMBER 1, 2009 recognize 35:4 155:7 159:12 166:1 185:4 recollection 18:6 23:11 26:25 27:6 recommend 142:18 143:2 194:24 recommendation 109:14 109:16 111:11 recommended 46:11,16 50:9 106:11,14 110:5 142:23 182:8 194:21 recommending 112:16 record 9:5,19,24 22:20 25:14,25 26:9 28:2 34:2,4,8 61:10,13 62:3 64:14 65:24 67:6,9 96:1,8 100:10,14 104:2 111:15,20 120:10 126:19,22 133:2 135:8 135:12 139:18 165:16 165:20 167:4 174:5 193:2 198:18 199:12 recorded 201:10 records 86:17 116:9 117:9 155:18 159:15 160:8 170:14 recurrence 169:17 reduce 112:23 reducing 7:13 8:13 25:8 26:20 27:1 43:17,19 47:10 52:4 56:24 86:22 106:13,16 111:23 112:17 139:15 150:22 151:10 152:12 174:18 180:22 181:9 reducing-valve 86:12 refer 40:14 78:1 120:3 197:2 reference 7:9,11 108:15 108:21 109:3 110:20 111:2,4 113:11 116:1 127:5 154:5 179:21 referenced 59:11 87:14 87:15 references 63:12 referencing 185:21 referred 34:19 138:12 152:7 185:6 194:6 195:8 referring 25:10 58:12 91:12 119:21 128:8 130:2 193:3 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