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T.Marmor Page 45 1 kinds concerning public policy, and there was. 2 particularly two people therewith whom I had 3 extensive contact who were'ihterested;in the. 4 world of health, more generally. Brian Barry 5 was one with whom I've kept up with all these .. 6 years. Lawrence -- Icannot remember his last 7 name, but he was an-economist who was 8 interested in Latin. America:: BrianBarry is.a 9 political theorist whose first book was 10 political-argument, and:what I recall about-. 11 that spring was precisely what you were talking 12 about just a moment ago, the categorization of 13 different kinds of.political disputes. 14 The topic of our conversation w.as' 15 about how do you understand the difference: 16 between-a dispute, for-example, like those 17 around abortion as opposed'to a dispute about 18 closings:hospital, or a dispute about' 19 circumstances in agriculture tbat threatencd 20 the health of workers as distinct from a 21 question about Medicare's rules.for doctors? 22 I could elaborate on that, but it 23 was the understanding of the different politics 24 associated with-.different stakeholders in 25 combination-with one other, opposed:to-one - ' 1 Q. So, the end of your formal 2 education you had been off and on in college 3 from 1959 to 1966; is that correct? 4 A.: If you count the postrdocs as 5 college. 6 Q. Is it fair to count them or am 1 7 mischaracterizing them? 8 A. I was in the university world as 9 a student in one form or another for that 10 decade. 11 Q. From 1959 to 1966? 12 A. 1956 to 1966. 13 Q. During that decade, do you 14 remember any text, treatise, scholarly journal 15 or article that you read in your course of 16 study dealing with the topic of asbestos? 17 A. No. 18 Q. Since 1966, what have you done -- 19 MS. ROSENBERG: Objection to the 20 form. 21 Q. --for a living? 22 A. What my jobs have been?. 23 Q. Please.24 A. Well, it's on-my vitae, but.the 25 rough chronology is, I went to the University Page 47 1 another, broad coalitions.-So^-it was . - 2 procedural and methodologieal: - 3 Q. -Do you recall discussing :or. 4 studying the politics of stakeholders as: 5 involved in the asbestos controversy at 6 Nuffield? 7 A. That particular one, no^. 8 Q. Now have we talked about your v 9 education? 10 A. Yes. . , . . Kf-:- V?-r.: //.*': 11 Q. You mentioned4wopeople, -Brian 12 Barry and you described one as an economist 13 interested in .Latin America. 14 -Did. either one of these two . 15 gentlemen have a particular interest in-this 16 topic of asbestos or the dispute regarding - 17 asbestos? 18 A. Not narrowly construed. One was 19 interested in.occupational health; -That was 20 Lawrence, and Brian.wasinterestedin 21 categories of politicalconflicts, not 22 specifically about asbestos at that time. 23 Q. What year would that bring us to 24 when you left Nuffield? 25 A. September of'66,'67. Page 46 '. -' - Page 48 1 of Wisconsin to become an assistant professor 2 in 1967, September of'67: And stayed there 3 for a .Couple of years- and taught a course ln 4 the American politics in the. American Welfare5 state. 6 I had research leave in 1969/70 7 at the University of Chicago, the Adlai 8 Stevenson Institute* and the Kennedy School of 9 Government, School of Politics. 10 I came back from that research 11 leave and became the associate dean- and 12 attending professor at the University of 13 Minnesota. I was associate dean of the School 14 of Public Affairs at the University of 15 Minnesota, and stayed there until 1973 when I 16 moved to the University of Chicago. 17 At the University of Chicago, 1 18 was associated with the political science 19 department. School of Social Service 20 Administration and the Center for Health 21 Administration Studies, and taught and did 22 research primarily in that period on medical 23 care topics with some attention to health 24 areas, but mostly medical care topics. 25 In 1979,1 was hired by Yale 12 (Pages 45 to 48) POHLMAN REPORTING COMPANY (314)421-0099'