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ABVIA National Elactrlcal Manutacturar* Aaaoelatlon 155 Em! 44th Street New York, N.Y. 10017 212-682-1500 MINUTES: COMMITTEE ON USE AND DISPOSAL OP ASKAREL; OP THE BOARD OP DIRECTORS; OP THE POWER EQUIP MENT DIVISION PLACE OP MEETING: O'HARE INN, CHICAGO, ILL. DATE AND TIME: TUESDAY, PEBRUARY 23, 1971 10:30 A.M. - 3:45 P.M. MEMBERS PRESENT: D. E. Allen J. P. Kuzela E. L. Raab W. C. Reinhardt J. C. Rissinger H. R. Rowe Allis-Chalmers Manufacturing Co, Sangamo Electric Company General Electric Company Moloney Electric Company Westinghouse Electric Corp. McGraw Edison Power Systems Div MEMBERS ABSENT: NONE OTHERS PRESENT: P. G. Benignus A. O. Hauser W. B. Papageorge A. L. Rickley A. M. Salazar Monsanto Company Electric Utilities Company Monsanto Company Doble Engineering Co. NEMA Staff PRESIDING OFFICER: W. C. Reinhardt, Chairman I. APPROVAL OP PREVIOUS MINUTES The minutes_0f..the Auguat_2fl.,.-_197Q_meeting not being available, as yet, no previous minutes were submitted for approval II. PURPOSE OP THIS MEETING The Committee noted that the purpose of this meeting is to review developments since the August 20, 1970 meeting and develop recoimendations to ANSI on a suggested program of action, including priorities for various activities, list of organiza tions to be invited to participate, etc. The Secretary's letter of Prebuary 10, 1971 calling this meeting and outlining the agenda, also contained a chronoligical list of steps taken, so far, and a master list of organizations that might have interest in this problem. A copy of the letter is attached as EXHIBIT "A". Comm, on Dis. Askarel - Div February 23, 1971 02*^ 734505 STLCOPCB4023968 Messrs. P. G. Benignus and W. B. Papageorge of Monsanto and A. 0. Hauser, whose company manufactures capacitors and A. L. Rickley, who is associated with a well known electrical in sulation consulting firm, were invited to participate in the discussions. III. REVIEW OP DEVELOPMENTS SINCE THE AUGUST 20, 1970 MEETING____ Members of the Committee presented reports on develop ments, as outlined in the Chairman's working agenda, as follows: A. The PCB problem in brief, including the status of the Massachusetts House Bill No. 3635 - - - - W. B. Papageorge note A copy of the Bill is at tached as EXHIBIT "B". B. Report on developments within IEC, IEEE and ASTM, on the askarel problem - - - - - E. L. Raab NOTES Mr. Raab distributed copies of written reports, which are attached as follows: 1. Letter providing the Chair man of IEC WG/02 on askarels with information on US acti vity, (EXHIBIT "C"). 2. Report on October, 1970 meetings of IEC No. 10 on Liquid and Gaseous Dielectrics and Subcommittee 10B on In sulating Liquids Other than Hydrocarbon Oils. Messrs. Raab and Benignus, who are the US Delegates, attended these meetings, (EXHIBIT "D"). 3. Lecture given by Mr. P. Jay of the Prodelac Company-, a foreign producer, at a university in Sweden, in 1970. This information was distri buted at the October IEC meet ings, by the Delegate from France, (EXHIBIT "E"). Comm, on Dis. of Askarel - Div. 8 5 February 23, 1971 NEV 02^451 734506 STLCOPCB4023969 4. Appropriate excerpt from minutes of the April 15, 1970 meeting of the Insulating Fluids Subcommittee of the IEEE Trans formers Committee, (EXHIBIT "F"). 5. Excerpt on further dis cussion from the minutes of the October 28, 1970 meeting of the parent IEEE Transformers Com mittee, (EXHIBIT "G"). 6. Appropriate excerpt from the minutes of the September 11, 1970 meeting of Subcommittee B, of ASTM Committee D27 on Insulating Fluids, (EXHIBIT "H"). C. Which PCB's remain in use in the electrical indus try? ----- P. G. Benignus. D. Status of disposal facilities - - - - W. B. Papageorge. Hr. Papageorge commented on the above, as follows: 1. Monsanto facilities for bulk fluids. 2. Monsanto facilities for moderately sized solid materials. 3. Rollins-Purle, Inc. facilities for bulk fluids. 4. Xemtrol Pollution Services, Inc. facilities for bulk fluid*. (Still under investigation by Monsanto). 5. Landfills The value of landfills depends on the type of soil conditions, distance from waters, etc. Preli minary investigations with Officials of some states indicate a negative reaction to state sanctions. States usually defer to local levels on these' matters. IV. FORMATION OF THE ANSI COMMITTEE After some further discussion, the Committee approved the following: A. The holding of an ANSI conference, as soon after re ceiving ANSI formal approval as is possible. B. Hr. W. B. Papageorge should act as discussion leader for the Conference and should present the background leading to Monsanto's and HEMA's sponsorship of the formation of an ANSI Committee. As was the case at Comm, on Dia. of Askarel - Div. 8 -6- ,, _ ___. February 23, 1971 NEV 024452 734507 STLCOPCB4023970 today's meeting, others involved in the discussion, so . far, should be called upon to assist, as is considered to be appropriate. The following objectives, developed at today's meeting, should also be proposed: OBJECTIVES In addition to developing procedures and guides for safe use, maintenance and disposal of askarel and askarel soaked materials used in electrical equipment, it shall be the objectives of the ANSI Committee to: 1. Serve as a source for technical information and advice for Federal, State and local authorities and for the information of all others concerned. 2. Encourage the development of suitable disposal facilities and maintain a list of their capabilities and locations, for the information of all concerned. 3. Serve as the advisory group for US participation in CEB, IEC, COPANT, SEGRA and other international organizations. As appropriate during the presentation, or during the . following discussion, Mr. Papageorge should propose that the following Subcommittees should be considered to develop specific proposals for Committee action: 1. Procedures and guides for disposal of askarel and askarel soaked materials. 2. Procedures and guides for safe use, care and main tenance of askarel. 3. National and international communications. At an appropriate time during the meeting; the Secre tary should recoimnend that a small Steering Committee, comprised of the Chairman of the Committee and the Chair men of the EEI, IEEE, ASTM and NEMA Delegations. The purpose of the Steerinq Committee is to appoint the above Subcommittees and, in general, assist the Chairman in the performance of his other responsibilities as Chairman of the ANSI Committee. C. The letters inviting interested organizations to participate should briefly comment on the need for the ANSI Committee and indicate that a Conference is being called by a certain date, to review the matter in more detail and formally establish the Committee and any needed Subcommittees. An attachment to the letter should cover the sponsors, the scope approved by ANSI and a list of Organizations being invited to participate. Conan. on Dis. of Askarel - Div. 8 -7- ____ February 23, 1971 NEV 024453 734508 STLCOPCB4023971 D. In addition to any other Organizations represented on the ANSI Electrical and Electronics Technical Ad visory Board (EETAB) that may express interest in this activity, the following Organizations should be invited to attend the Conference: American Public Power Association American Society for Testing and Materials Association of American Railroads Association of Edison Illuminating Companies Automobile Manufacturers Association Inc. Certified Ballast Manufacturers Association Doble Engineering Co. Edison Electric Institute Government Groups Atomic Energy Commission Corps of Engineers Department of Health, Education and Welfare - Food and Drug Administration Department of Interior Environmental Protection Agency General Services Administration ' National Bureau of Standards Rural Electrification Administration Tennessee Valley Authority International Association for Pollution Control Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers Kentrol Pullution Services Manufacturing Chemists Association Monsanto Company National Electrical Manufacturers Association National Pire Protection Association Rollins-Purle Inc. Underwriters' Laboratories Inc. Water Pollution Control Federation v TIME AND PLACE OF THE NEXT MEETING Left to the call of the Chair. VI ADJOURNMENT There being no further business before the Committee, the meeting was adjourned at 3:45 P.M. Luncheon was served during the meeting and there was, therefore, no recess for that purpose. AMS:dk ATTS: EXHIBITS "A" APP ROVED BY COUNSEL "H" A. M. Salazar, Executive Secretary Power Equipment Division Comm, on Dis. of Askarel - Div. 8 8 734509 February 23, 1971 NfcV 024454 STLCOPCB4023972