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1 Are you currently board certified in 2 surgery? 3 A I am not board certified. 4 Q Doctor, a number of years ago did the State 5 of Maryland institute some type of process or 6 accreditation in which surgeons could be certified who 7 weren't board certified? 8 A The Maryland Board of Quality Assurance -9 approximately 10 years ago -- in order that certain 10 specialists who were calling themselves surgical 11 specialists were qualified, require that all nonboard 12 certified specialists submit their credentials to that 13 board. 14 That included credentials stipulating board 15 eligibility, letters of recommendation and the type of 16 practice that you participated in. 17 I did that and was given that recognition 18 approximately 10 years ago to be or to call myself a 19 surgeon specialist. 20 Q Okay. Doctor, you mentioned earlier that in 21 fact you operated on and treated Jean Vandergucht.