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FILE NAME Quebec Asbestos Mining Association QAMA DATE 1972 Mar 17-18 DOC QAMA127 DOCUMENT DESCRIPTION Minutes of the 120th Meeting of the Directors of the QAMA ww : xf eA. we a FN deine cea lid Sunol Seen PRG Pemig, ces 15/89Kernaghan ChilledChilled Reporter Reporter MINUTES OF THE 120th MEETING OF THE DIRECTORS OF THE[ QUEBEC ASBESTOS MINING ASSOCIATION HELD ON MARCH 17th and 18th 1972 AT THE CASA MONTEGO MONTEGO BAY JAMAICA FRIDAY MARCH 17th 1972 : There were presents Maggry.1 J.R.M. Hutcheson ET R.J. M.J. M.J. Merrill Messel el Yete R.S. Coleman Oo Me W.W. Oughtred Ban F.P. Smith le Ph Casgrain ee te P.A. Filtesu eya There were also present ee Mesers mabe Oe ... - RE TOR EASE Peer WEA Pere PLAINTIFF'S ~~ 4271 EXHIBIT I.C. J.O. R.P. L.C. K.V. A.H. R.M. M.P. J.D. D.T. D.T. Campbell Eby Gagnon Pluza Lindell Baganstose Bateman Corson Christian Colton President Vice President Director Director Director Director Ceneral Counsel for the Association Ceneral Manager and Secretary Chairman of the Legislation and Taxation Committee and of Public Relations Committee Chairmen of Industrial Relations Comm Chairman of Traffic Committed Chairman of Environmental Control Comm Chairman of Occupational and Environmental Health Committed o Canadian Mines Limited Turner & Newell Company Asbestos Corporation Ltd. Cassiar Asbestos Corporation Manville Corporation Messrs M. Dorais Bell Asbestos Mines Limited E.J. Killian N.W. Hendry A.L. Hennebach J.B. Jobe National Asbestos Mines Limited Canadian Manvilla Co. Ltd. American Smelting & Refining Co. Manville Corooration A.S. Johnson Asbestos Corporation Limited D. Poutietine Manville Corporation ee G.W. Smith Bell Asbestos Mines Limited iOe W.J.W. Smitn W.L. Venderbeek Bell Asbestos Mines Limited Manville Corporation M. Prus Canadian Mines Limited - e D.L. Shank National Gypsum Corporation The President of the Association J.R.M. Hutcheson acted as e Chairman and P.A. Filteau as Secretary of the meeting The Chairman declared that a regular notice of meeting had been a duly mailid to all the Directors of the Association and said notice eS was ordered to entered at length in the minute book of the Association Ce There being a quorum constituted the Chairman declared the meeting duly The Chairman expressed works of welcome to Mesers D.L. Shank and his pleasura In having Megers R.M. A.S. Johnson and Bateman J.D. J.D. Christian and G.W. Smith attend this the 120th meeting of the s aw Directors of the Association The minutes of the 119th Masting of the Directors of the Association held on January 24th 1972 ware duly approved The Committee Chairmen were then requested to report _ A ~ 3. are A ee A a ~ee PT NN eee VON Ce DO te or UNIFORM CLASSIFICATION & GRADING AND TECHNICAL COMMITTEE of the committee stressed were the Secretary read his report The main points 1. Quebec Standard Asbestos Testing Machine On January 25 1972 Mr. W.X. MacLeod returned the signed a^tlement catween LynnMacLeod and QAMA to produce the approve version of this testing machine Use .. Research on of Asbestos Tailings On February 16th 1972 D. Filteau M. Cossette and W.H. Foster attended a meeting at the Centre de Recharche Industrielle du Qu^'bec The idea was to integrate the research effort of all groups with the objective of total exploitation of asbestos mine tailings and arouse the interest of asbestos producing companies Such a project it was felt would improve the environment and air pollution and diversify the economy of the asbestos region A committee of four was formed at said meating to look Into what information is available The committee to report in 3-4 months Members are Mr. Castonguay Mr. J.C. Roy Mr. P.O. Perron Department of Minea Laval University Chemistry C.R.I.Q. Q.A.M.A. Representative On a motion duly seconded W.H. Foster was appointed Q.A.M.A. representative on above committee CARRIED Technicalt - A meeting was held on February 29th 1972 - wee eee ~ 4 = well The They have new A.T.I. Fibre Testing hired Mr. J.L. Tucker to Chairman is Mr. C.C. Stiefken assist in preparing the new manual Mr. Tucker did the same job for the 1966 manual Anticl- pated cost is 52.50 to 3.00 each for the new manuals compared to 1.28 for the 1966 manual On a pro motion forma duly seconded Mr. Tucker's by the Directors of QAMA paid assistance was approved INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS COMMITTEE ie er As of February 1st 1972 the Association has a consultant on Safaty hrs N.H. George He will spend a minimum of one week per month in the Q.A.M.A. opesations : This is a yoctly contract er Our ventilation engineer has requested approximately 2,500 to purchase a membrane filter sampling equipment It is suggested to e wait for the results and findings of a study by the Environmental Control Committes before making any change in dust counting practices fet, ae a. No further information has been learned as to over of W.C.C. F Bes cySocial Welfare Department at this time The matter is under ae study by an dapartmental committee as per Council OID 3160 . htONE has indicated that the Bill will be revised and will seek to encourage unions and management to include in new contracts some provision deal- ee Ing with the effects of technological changes Such provisions would EO by the FR not be subject to review Canada Labour Relations Board and hel unions would not have the right to strike during the life of the contract Although this concerns the Federal jurisdiction the LO LA wre en ee eee Pield -.--... . . mm ower 1 ee ee ee ee eee ATOagra. ee BONS SAAR oA aN oF Pg an a eA ze r t 4 TRAFFIC COMMITTEE COMMITTEE Quebec Port - ment to assist The Q.A.M.A. has been them in trying to get asked by the Provincial Govern- the new Jacanesa container service to call at the Port of Guebec This service should start in March 1973 Heretofore only the ports of Halifax and Saint John N.8 had been mentioned and no consideration given to the ports of Quebec of Montreal The cost of transportation to and from Hellfax and Montreal is 87 per container in each direction It is possible that the savings in transportation of these containers may induce the Lines to call at Quebec despite the additional mileage . The Province of Quebec has asked the Deputy Minister of Industry and Commerce to prepare an economic study and have a delegation go to Japan to sell the advantages of the Port of Quebec At o meeting attended by both the chairmaonf the Committee and the General Manager the question was asked if each asbestos producer would send a delegate to Japan to support the project Te, We explained the project to each director of the Q.A.M.A. and it ne was agreed that each company would send a delegata The group will Rg be leaving Montreal March 23 1972 for ten 10 days ek The Canadian Embassy in Japan will arrange for meetings etc. nig pm We have no guarantee that the Lines will accept to call at Quebec Fane however we believe it is a worthwhile effort lee. CP Rail - CP Steamsh Seirvpicse - At the request of the President of the Q.A.M.A. we have mat with both CP Rail and CP Steamships .outlining the difficulties experienced the Q.A.M.A. Q.A.M.A. and Canadian Pacific We bellove we will see some improvement as resulotf thesa meetings D FY: es ee Py oe e a e re ee ee ee wa e ey . . . ad he te Tso sie Parte a Ria rts ) sl hae % - 5. Rate ecotiations - 1. Trucking rates to ports of Montreal have been increased 20 per ton 2. United Kingdom Conference will maintain same rates for 1972 - no increase 3. Australian Conference increased its rates 1 per ton 4. Japanese ccean rate are being increased 10 percent 5. MediterraneSpaanish n Atlantic rates increased approximately 2.52 Many of the services used now assess a 2 bunket surcharge togather with a curtency surcharge Genaral~- - Rate quotations are increasingly to House basis This change increases the being quoted on a House importance as wall as the work of the Traffic Committee The new rate structures are devised to eliminata break bulk Both inland and ocean carriers have published rates where it is prohibitive to ship conventional LEGISLATION AND TAXATION COMMITTEE Income Tax Iow but it Act - Canada - The new Federal Income Tax Act will be some time before its full implications has can become be digested and the problems associated The Quebec Covernment must amend ita with its application identified Income Tax Act to concord with the new Federal Act we wee ew eww --> tzbled during the previous session of Parliwa asmwie thn drat wn after ae ee ae e i tote a oe SO pk AOI Nt) Es EL isaA., -7- attracting heavy criticism It seems likely that under the new Minister the substitute Bill which is promised for present session of Parliament will be modified to remove or at least ameliorate the most objectionable provisions of the original bill dealing with the aspects of : criminal law and the powers of the Tribunal re - PolluAt ct -iQo uebn ec - The Quebec Government has yet to tebla its legislation with respect to air and water pollution although the Minister responsible continues to promise in his public pronouncements that he is going to be tough It seems unlikely that this act will come down until summer and at that time there will still be an opportunity to make representations* - Real Estate AssesAs ctm- e Qun ebt ec This has now become law but its impact has yet to be fully assessed pending the promulgation of the regulations issued thereunder At this time it would not aboear that there will be any major problem PUBLIC RELATIONS.COMMITTEE RELATIONS.COMMITTEE In his of the review of committee recent public relations activities dealt with the following items the chairmen Cellogical Guidessaki - Authority was asked to go ahead with the publication of said guidebook at an estimated cost of 4,800 to 5,400 Part of cost to be recovered by sale of books to companies The motion was duly seconded and carried te ee ad Smith for his.expert services in ravising its content Mr. C.W. Smith explained that 80 of the terms had been corrected and that the next step was the translation into appropriate Franch ee ee er oe ee ee eee SL, ... yo Ee SER * ~9- the State of the Industry were tabled for final review by the Directors adoption of same to be proposed at the meeting of the following day March 18th ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL COMMITTEE The chairman briefly commented as follows 4e of Number 8710 3M's dust mask is not available as yet the expected dma price to be between .50 and .60 per unit atverin se The Committee will try to obtain cooles of all briefs presented at the EPA Hearings in Los Angeles and forward a complete set to each member company It was pointed out that the question of bag cloth and the building of filtration bags was an asbestos cake on the inner wall of the air fully explained at the above EPA Hearings 8 ae The matter of warning labels on fibre begs was left for discussion ee at the meeting of March 18th also ne NEW BUSINESS ee Ce eR September 2nd 1972. The industry will have one collective booth Pe for the five participating companies With a map of the world on the background asbestos products and samples as well as photos of mines and mills will be displayed under the general title Asbestos throughout the and it appears World that the Mr. M. Pharo is chairman of the committee project is pretty well on schedule COMMENTS ON GENERAL BUSINESS CONDITIONS The asbestos fibre business seemed to be in a state of confusion with the building of inventories and some cutting back of production .. one wonders if deliveries will actually materialize In the midat of uncertain world conditions it is hoped that the optimists will win mm ba df bh MINUTES OF THE 120th MEETING OF THE DIRECTORS OF THE QUEBEC ASBESTOS MINING ASSOCIATION HELD ON MARCH 17th and 18th 1972 AT THE CASA MONTEGO MONTEGO BAY JAMAICA SATURDAY MARCH 18th 1572 There were present in addition to the Directors and their associates e who attended the meeting of Friday March 17th Dr. C.W. Chairman of the Scientific Committes of the I.O.E.H. Wright \ calling After calling the meeting to order the President J.R.M. Hutcheson Invited K.V. Lindell Chairman of the Occupational and Environmental Health Committee to report on recent activities f f In reviewing briefly the report tabled by Dr. Pelnar Mr. Lindell emphasized two important International Conferences coming up in 1972 namely the 17th International Congress on Occupational Health in Buenos Aires in September 1972 and the meeting of the International Agency for Research on Cancer in Lyon France In October 1972 The documentation in the Library of the Institute has bean increasing sharply over the last few years in this respect the mailing lists of the Institute are presently being revised and brought date Se} eer Commenting the E.P.A. Hearings in Los Angeles the Chairman of the - Committee Indicated that the Board seemed more concerned the cleaning of the environment than with mesothelioma In his prasan- tation Mr. Lindell mentioned briefly that commercial talcum powder also pointed the walls of out the on Smee that the costing of asbestos rings which forms on filter bags in the Canadian mines dust control + meen urea gf apts ae fe -~2- systeme reducas the flow to within the specifications limits for the fabrics more testing is required to verify this contention He also pointed out that much of the technical and other data that form the background of the proposed National Emission Standerda under review operation at the Hearings had been obtained with the and assistance of the asbestos industry complete As to the question of priorities for asbestos and health research it was felt that there were nina or tan questions that needed to be answered as per Dr. Wright's report at the mesting in Colorado Springs Two publications would be very useful one for general distribution which could be entitled Why Asbestos Is Essential and a second one for limited distribution to scientific bodies on research work in the field of asbestos and health conducted date Dr. I. Higgins of the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor has been invited and has accepted to join the Scientific Committee of the Institute Dr. Higgins is a man of considerable experience having conducted extensiva work on asbestosis as an epidemiologist it is believed he will be a real asset to the Committee The Committan is also looking for Canadian Doctors as likely candidates Mr. Lindell invited at this time Dr. Wright to report on behalf of the Scientific Committee Dr. GEORGE W. WRICHT Dr. Wright's first comments Committee had so far served were to the fact that the Scientific the industry vary wall The fact that _ the Instituta la a Canadian body it is important to have members of Canadian nationality ---~- --- are - 3- He had hoped to submit by this time a strong program to be implemented by the Institute but because of pressure from E.P.A. and the Hearings on proposed Emergency Standards he had been unable to do so x Mr. C. Gibbs of McGill University has submitted a project for a preliminary study of the spectrum of fibre sizes the air of working places under the influence of to be found in actual operational conditions This exploratory study is considered to be a most important one and it is hoped that it can be funded as soon as possible The amount of the grant requested is 18,830 In the matter of setting safe standards for asbestos what we need . to learn is the risk relationship Variations of type of - fibre and the circumstances surrounding their use must be taken into account in answering the question and would suggest the possibility that different standards might be rational in order to meet different conditions of use of asbestos The four diseases thought to be related in some way to the inhalation of asbestos fibre are~- pulmonary fibrosis bronchogenic cancer thickening of the pleura and mesothelioma Not a single one of these diseases is peculiarly related to or caused solely by the inhalation of Asbastos fibre Dr. MacDonald in his study of workers in the mining and milling of chrysotile asbestos in the province of Quebec showed that individuala must be exposed to higher than 6 fpcc in order to reveal any evidence of asbestosis For bronchogenic cancer the exposure required is even higher 10 to 12 fpcc preliminary results of cement industry in New exposure in the plants Dr. Hans Weill of Tulane University in his his investigation of workers in the asbestos- Orleans damonstrates that reduced asbestos produces a lower risk of developing pulmonary fibrosia and cancer of the lung Dr. MacDonaldshowed also that 2 ewe ans fibrosia past exposures in the mining and milling of chrysotile asbestos wore | ada far less hazardous than exposures in asbestos textile manufacture or the insulation worker's rational to have different trade For this reason it may be standarda covering different occupations depending upon the variety of asbestos used In the case of mesothelioma the Selikoff group is pushing for a number There is a lack of expertise and a survey is needed in the U.S. The current standard in the U.S.A. set by OSHA is 5 fpcc and was ed set only a few months ago A letter from the unions stated that eee the standards were inadequate and asked for an emergency standard NIOSH In the case of tallings dumps the E.P.A. is ready to allow visible emissions up to 50 yards from the source en Dr. Wright then summarized his presentation to the US Department of Labor OSHA Hearing in Washington on March 17th 1972 ee et In this statement Or Wright described the kind of data required for characterizing the risk relationship in such a manner that Se it can be used for setting an occupational standard for airborne asbestos on a scientific rather than an arbitrary basis Because of the difficulties described much of the data now extent con- cerning asbestos associated disease is of no use for setting a standard Isolated case reports and data giving exposures or biological effects without relating the two in the same population are examples of this kind of unusable information Unfortunately much of the data now available is competent only to say that ssboatos is more or is lesa hazardous in different groups and that the exposure is variad Nevertheless although not numerous thar^ afe - spacific data competent to speak to risk relationship and these can be used for such purpose = Ve pate ATM's4 oes 35 ay AR iy fet He i t | | | { ae ; 4 | ; , .5- Or Wright Indicated the reasons for his opinion that the Criteria Document had failed to do that which is incumbant upon it namely to provide sound scientific evidence to support their request for a change from the OSHA emergency standard and for a new standard of 2 fibers TWA and peaks not to exceed 10 fibers ' He disagreed with the view of the Critaria Document that there are no scientifically obtained data adaquate for the purpose of setting a standard He cited the studies which he believes are scientif- ically valid and adequate for setting a first approximation to a standard or safe level of airborne esbestos in occupational envi- ronments In his opinion these studies fully support the current OSHA temporary standard of 5 Pibars TWA with peaks not to exceed 10 fibers and the recent decision of the ACGIH that there is no need to change from this standard It should be emphasized that prior to 1940 and for some years thereafter when many of those persons now developing disease were actually being exposed the dust counts in mining the range of 10 to 100 milling and manufacturing commonly were in ft This was most likely equivalent to 30 to 600 fibers There is no evidence that exposures during that period for insulation workers was substantially lower and on the basis of British and Finnish data it was in that range It is clear then that the current OSHA temporary standard represents a tremendous reduction from the dust lavals of previous years and in his opinion includes a substantial safety factor Dr. Wright believes this lavel forty year or more will span protect workers using asbestos over e of employment from developing asbestosis or experiencing an excess of bronchogenic cancar If crocidolits -- and perhaps amasite are more stringently controlled the liability of experiencing mesothaliome will be markedly reduced and probably abolished ee et te ee ee ee ae er . EE TTY Fm me Ue ne w_ ee - 6 Dr. Wright then asked for on their presentations at comments by Massrs Killian the Washington Hearings and Jobe E. KILLIAN Mr. Killian identified the participation of National Gypsum in the Industry He made it clear that showed that the 2 fpcc level was some 10,000 hours of expertise not attainable It would take some 1.3 million dollars to purchase preliminary equipment in an effort to reach said level plus soma 700,000 to 800,000 in annual continuance cost The simple placement of a label on products could cause approach of a degradation of 60 of the business He took the recommending a higher figure as an attainable standard \ In his presentation Mr. Jobe tried to emphasize the ronomic impact pointing out unattainable that the unions would hurt standards Industry would themselves in demanding not stand in certain instances the increased operating cost leaving themselves open to foreign competition which operates without standards There is danger in labelling products when the asbestos content is over % and stating that it may provoke asbestosis and cancer Dr. Pundsack in his statement stressed that point quite strongly ADJOURNMENT Since there were no further question asked at this time the meating was declared terminated CERTIFIED CORRECT er - Secretary eee ee Chairman ~ - In the case of the Asbestos Hill project a union dispute hag delayed the schedule approximately two weeks It is expected that a first concentrate will be produced next month and that shipment will reach Europe in August or September depending on the dock construction The plant in Germany is in good shape In England the textile business is is a much depressed situation Asbestos fibre imports are down but somewhat better in Continental Europe The situation in South Africa is good and India would Import mora fibre but is short of foreign currency In the newes countries the economic situation is often disordered it is rather difficult to be optimistic The demand for products is good the problem is to finance it Regarding health conditions in plants efforts should be made to provide clean working conditions using all the information available After putting plants in order an attempt should be made in the best possible way plants Turner & to persuade customers to Newell is ready to make do the same in their own available all technical Information free of charge to producing companise and customers t i This problem of cleaning plants is of absolute critical Importance ^' q within the next two or three years i 1 { ' 1 In U.S. thus far in 1972 business has been fairly good Housing is quite lively many plants running full blast on home insulation which is encouraged by the Government as a means to save on fuel consumption It would seem that industrial capital expenditures are showing up quite strongly - 10 higher in first months of 1972 as compared to same period in 1971 wets eo a - 10- This is a political year and the Covernment will try to slimulate the economy 1972 should be a favorable year for the construction industry WhatWhat What What will will happen under the cost and labour regulations everybody In U.S. as in U.K. management must make sure that plants abide by health regulations to be established Management must also initiate an intensive program to change working attitude within the plant otherwise the equipment will not do much good Starcarce for safe level of dust exposure which will be established toda5y fpcc may be changed tomorrow possibly to Z fpcc Medical research should be continued to determine safe levels to prevent biological effects such as lung cancer mesothelioma etc. A world survey of the asbestos market for the next four or five years does not suggest a very good picture for the few years hence There is a threat to the asbestos business looking down the -its road four or five years from now The industry research to creste new uses for asbestos fibre must activate It must also teach customers how to handle fibre iv 1971 has been an excellent year for the short Fibra business In wee the case of one member company the demand has grown so much that stb it has been quite a struggle to fulfill all the orders Some Pl Li anxiety was expressed as to the CPA Hearings in Washington In i behalf of small asbestos fibre customers Their future depends on the results of these hearings and they may have to discontinue eal manufacturing certain prod.uc wwt-s ... 4 ee wer ae Re De - . ] 4 | _ | , Bet, - 11 The Price and Control Board has brought about many problems to certain U.S. companies The latter have been locked by ceilings under which it has been impossible to maneuver In the case of copper lead and silver there but on zinc the price ceiling has been no trouble with the ceilings is sometimes less than the production cost Labour negotiations are in many Instancas long and tedious pending the decision of the Price Control Board It is feared that the EPA regulations are going to be almost impossible to meet with a tough enforcement attitude on the part of the inspectors in general the forecast For 1972 is somewhat better than in 1971 Although the months ahead are considered with some trepidation the outlook for the whole year is a little more optimistic s One company views 1972 as a good year Building products are moving better than the total corporate business Considerable work is being done in plants and with employees in trying to implement the 5 fpcc level in the working environment unions are expected to support management COMMENTS BY GENERAL COUNSEL In Quebec one worries about the vacuum in the Government Opposition The Unit^' Qu^'bec and Social Cradit are losing support The P.Q. is the only party left and would very likely form the official opposition If there were an a show with election now The Government is about to come to the civil servants it seems that the Government is prepared to take the necessary staps : On the Federal scene there might be an election possibly sJuna os we s= - . et ae ote aed d os - 12 - There seems to be a general swing to the right in many sectors 1 and areas you cannot go much further with the welfare state 1 we ADJOURNMENT we Meeting was adjourned to 9:30 a.m. Saturday March 18th SATURDAY MARCH 18th 1972 MEETING CONTINUED Following a review of the Occupational and Environmental Health Committee activities see minutes of March 18th the Directors were asked for their decision on the items left pending the previous day aa PUBLIC RELATIONS - It was moved and duly seconded that the Asbestos leaflet and the article Asbestos in Canada 1971 be approved CARRIED ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL - WARNING LABELS ON FIBRE BAGS - One Company is having lagal problems in view of what is presently happening The Company has enforce the placing of labels on its bags in U.S. and Canada and would like to know what is being done elsewhere It would seem that in U.K. labelling the bags doas not give one any legal sinca the protection It is even suggested customers already know about it not to label If something the bags happens the supplier is still responsible - In the U.S. according to legal advice warning labels would give protection suppliers over the long run say they do not wish the sufficient protection label this should If overseas customers give U.S. suppliers - 13. The subject was merely brought up for the consideration of the directors and their views on any action they feel warranted - MEETING IN ENGLAND At the suggestion of several members the Chairman of the meeting expressed the wish to hold a meeting in England next October Mr. R.M. Bateman replied that he would be very happy to look into it and requested that the General Manager forward the necessary specifications ADJOURNMENT There being no further business the meeting then adjourned CERTIFIED CORRECT Secretary Chairman