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FILE NAME Manville JMA DATE 1972 Oct 20 DOC JMA344 DOCUMENT DESCRIPTION Minutes - Shell Meeting with NICA Task Force on OSHA OOT 26 26 1972 28 NICA TASK FORCE ON OSHA Denver Colorado Manville Corp. October 20 1972 4 - fileSh= ell Source JMA JMA TheThe NICA Committee on OSHA ppersonnelersonnel of the Shell ThTe he following attended Oil the met in Denver on October Company headquartered in meeting 20 1972 Houston with key Texas Committee Members R. A. Stapleton - Manville Don Bradshaw - Corning J. S. Royer - Young Sales Corp. Manville C. W. Wattson Contract Manager W. B. Reitze Manager Accident Prevention & Industrial F. J. Solon Vice President Corporate Relations Edmund Edmund Edmund M. Fenner Director Environmental Control. Health Shell Oil Co. W. C. Bluhm Hdq Eng - Refineries R. B. Howard Hdq Eng - Chemical Plants Gayden Derickson Mgr Contractor Relations D. P. Atwood Regional Industrial Hygienist Tabershaw Asso Dr. J. R. Tabershaw Through the graciousness of Manville the meeting was held in lunch was served the Corporate Board Room A beautiful and enjoyable by the staff which administers to the needs and requirements of the top executives of Manville We all appreciated Dick Stapleton making this possible discussion of the problems which will be encountered After a general asbestos the Chairman in complying with the new OSHA regulation on asked Shell if they would give the others present the benefit of their studies to date Bluhm acted as spokesman and using the data they had obtained from Mr. at their refineries in Wood River and at their monitoring processes Norco Refinery he outlined their results They included installa- tion removal clean up and fabrication He asked that these not additional tests in be published since they still intend to perform their refineries as well as in their chemical plants a amazing thing about the report was that in monitoring all the different operations necessary to fabricate containing pipe covering and blocks the and install asbestos highest fiber count which they accomplished was 4.53 fibers per milliliter Readings were taken upwind and downwind from the operations as well as on the person of the applicators The readings in the shop were taken with proper dust removal equipment on the saws In some cases and in others difference they they tried wetting down did not This did ; old materials before removal not seem to make a material \ Bill Reitze who spent 18 months with who made most of the monitoring tests readings concurred with those that he instances he agreed Dr. for was Selicoff him was familiar at Mt. Sinai and asked if these with and in most Ed Fenner who is in charge of Environmental Control for Manville and who supervises the taking of fiber readings in the plants as well as as on jobs also concurred in most instances All parties who are expert in this field then began discussing the credibility finally was of the filter list as it is made that it can be as much now made The statement as 300 inaccurate This certainly shook the members of the Committee A discussion was then had of when asbestos free materials will be available It was the concensus of the manufacturers present that they would be in full supply by the end of 1973 Mr. Derickson of Shell asked for a few minutes to review Shell's out- look as far as OSHA is concerned and what they are doing to comply They are to their very much concerned that contractors that will be NICA will put out recommendations at variance with their instructions and detrimental to the relations between Shell and their plant em- ployees They emphasized that they have insulators in their plants on their payroll at all times and that they hoped we would agree on people the same recommendations to our as they give to their ployees because they also hire independent contractors em- The thrust of the whole meeting was that Shell believed that they the the can keep the fiber law to say that it lockers clothing count under will not be powered air five 5 and for necessary respirators therefore interpret the thethe them provide special to special special special doa The meeting with Shell adjourned at 2:15 p.m. and with Dr. Tabershaw and Bill Reitze and Ed Fenner the Committee met This discussion was to summarize what we had gotten from Shell and to see if we could agree to relate it to NICA No final conclusion was reached The Committee then met with Dr. Tabershaw alone to see what could be done to get our health program started in time to comply with the OSHA regulations Dr. Tabershaw recommended that we ask for a variance to delay the en- forcement It is his of the belief law as far as that the cost the monitoring process is to individual contractors concerned will be pro- hibitive and that the present methods of arriving at the fiber count are inadequate and inaccurate He believes that we must institute job practices that will effect a lowering of the fiber concentration to a level acceptable to OSHA In other words he recommends getting at the source of the problem rather than trying to prove a negative count of fibers The meeting adjourned at 4:30 p.m. Respectfully Respectfully Respectfully submitted . J. S. Royer JSR cc Stapleton Bradhsaw Brown Bayer Yount Munsey Munsey Murfin Pfister Dr. Tabershaw Pollock -- Sartori