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766 Twentieth Congress--National Safety Council Utfrchai-gc his duties. Where U the difference; where is the line of demarcation? X dunk ooe of the greatest difficulties we get into in our discussion is the coofmkm <rf the result with the cause of an accident. We,,talk a great deal about after the man is injured. Frankly, we are not interested. We caimot control the degree of the injury. God alone knows, when a man has an injury, just bow badly be is voir* to be injured, but it causes something we can deal with and that is what Wt are interested in. My good friend, Vera, says if a mart violates a rule and doesn't get injured, he should be discharged, but if another man violates a rule and is injured, we are not to discharge him. I cannot see the consistency there. Just why shook! the man who is not injured derive the penalty or be shown the partiality? Or why is the man who suffered the injury entitled to any special consideration? Frankly. 1 do not think tint any safety organization can accomplish its purpose without a definite policy. We consider the accident as an operating problem and as such we have to handle the failures that result in accidents exactly the same way. CnMfcMAM Coops*: You have got to have rales. 1C you have a man who per sistently violates your operating rules, you liave got to get rid of him and it is all the more important if the violation involves injury of somebody else. Gentlemen, we will have the report of the nominating committee. Mr. Vem Sutton, as chairman of the nominating committee, will now make hra report. Report of the Nominating1 Committee By VERNE D. SUTTON' Chairman Your committee appointed to select and present for your approval a list of officers to serve the Food Section during the ensuing year 1931-1932, has selected the following: General Ckctimtan--W. A. Sullivan, Loose-Wiles Biscuit Company, Kansas City. Missouri. I'ice-Ckairman--Hkmky Mjnkuh, The Borden Company, New York, New York. Secretary and Editor of Netos Letter--U. E. House*, B/G Sandwich Shops, Inc, 174 W. Randolph Street, Chicago, Illinois. Chairman, Pester and Illustrations Committee--Thomas Syroshab, Wagner-Taylor Company, Philadelphia. Pa. Chairman, Program Committee--R. E. Paourv, Aetna Life Insurance Company, New York, New York. Chairman, Engineering and Publicity Committee--J. J. Lyons, John F. Jelke Com pany, 759 S. Washtenaw Avenue, Chicago, Illinois. Chairman, Statistics Committee--Jtast J. Zietn**, Continental Baking Co., 235 Madison Avenue, New York, New. York. Erccuihv Committee--All Oyficlus and the following: Eun'kat D. Fowl**, Amcricus Hotel, AUentuwn, Pennsylvania. Albert Fell, Lamont, Corliss and Company, New York. New York. Will Cuoi'Kk, Executive Offices. Stevens Hold, Chicago, Illinois. Frank Has*k. Com Products Refining Company. Chicago, Illtnot*. Alexander Dicxwr. National Sugar Refinir^ Company, Long Island City, ` New York. Vxax D. Sutton, c/o Postum Company. live.. Battle Creek. Michigan. Cuaixuak Coovsa: You hare heard the nominations, if there are no changes or additional nominations, it is suggested we proceed to ballot. Ms. Mined*: I move the nominations be closed. (Tlte motion was seconded and carried.) H*. Dmcmst: I move that the secretary cast the unanimous ballot. (The motion was seconded and carried.) Food Section 767 Chairman Coocaa: Next ou die program is the gentleman who is in the publicity safety work, S. M. Lippiaeott, mad be has a vary interesting subject to handle in that he is going to talk about home made posters. I guess there is hardly an industry that U a member of the Council that doesn't wish there were more posters that were definitely applicable to them. Mr. Lippineott is going to show us how to get around that by our own posters. S. M. LrrwNOOTT, (secretary, Erie Safety Council, Erie, Pa., and safety engineer for the Liberty Mutual Insurance Company, at this point presented an interesting series of home-made safety posters; he stated that the success of many of the safety campaigns conducted by ton depended, in his opinion, on home-made devices of vari ous kinds. Mr. Lippincott gave running comments on the posters as he exhibited theta.) Chairman Cooper: Have you ever run into trouble in the copyright line? M*. LirriMcorr: No, they haven't checked me up but I do not believe there is any danger because your men are using it in your own industry and I am tartful if I send it out to customers, for in that case you are practically selling something. 1 do not understand the copyright laws, but I believe it would be treated (be same as a patent One can make an article that has been patented, and as long as he does not sell it, be is privileged to use It himself. Albert W. Pell (Lamont, Corliss and Co.. New York City) : I use a great many bulletins, and these bring up ooe question that has .always been more or less puzzling to me and I would like some opinion* on the point There are three classes of bulletins, die joking, the more or less horrible (illustrating the details of an accident, legs lost, arms lost and fingers lost, with the blood allowing and that sort of thing), and the ordinary type which is a warning. I have generally avoided the horrible oo the theory that they made the man nervous and he is more apt to meet with an acci dent after seeing those things than he might have been before. The amusing, I have never been quite able to make up my mind about. Mr. Lippincott has had much success. I have used these to some extent, but I am not sure whether it results in a feeling amoog the employees that it is not serious and is of no consequence, or whether it really makes an impression. 1 would like to have some opinions on just what type of poster is considered the best. Mr. Mikkur: I do not believe the National Safety Council, with all it* ex perience, has as yet reached a decision whether the gruesome picture or more con servative picture which shows abnormal conditions or conditions as they should be, is the better of die two. There is also some question as to whether or not we ought to have some safety in cartoon form. Frankly, I think that you will run great risk when you put out safety messages in cartoon form. There is room for the cartoon in the poster campaign but those cartoons must be very carefully considered before adopted. I think it is wise that the poster and the message should be around the idea of the instructions that are given out by the company. We stick very closely to them. Verne D. Sutton (Posture Company, Iixl, Battle Creek, Mich.): Regarding Mr. Pell's question of whether to use the humorous or the gruesome bulletins or posters, I recommend the method which I have found successful in our industry. In our plant when I first started sticking up posters, I got a great many kick-backs from them. I put up humorous posters and found the men were very sensitive. They thought we were ridiculing them. They thought, "Old Safety Sutton up here thinks we look lice that.** * I took the posters that I proposed to use, a sample uf each one of diem and fastened them on a card and put it up in the committee room, and I provided the men with ballots, and there were numbers on the ballots corresponding with the proposed posters. During the meeting, about in the middle of It in order to give them a liule recess, I had then* get up and walk around and examine these posters and marie 'VcsM or "no" in a space opposite the number. I did not know how anyone 768 Ttecntielh Congress---National Safety Council voted but after the nucting I drew up a schedule or a chart indicating how many votes were for and how many against each. If a poster has 20 per cent opposition in votes, I do not use it. I do not take the risk, became if I did, too many would come bock and have a bone to pkk, particularly with Safety Sutton. I find that when I put up humorous posters, except hi very rare cases, most of the humorous posters get a favorable vote of two out of fourteen people and the rest arc all against them, so 1 use very few humorous posters, 1 think humor has a place in putting across the safety message but be careful not to ridicule the safety idea. It can be used, but not in our plant because so many vote it down. Gruesome posters have about the same sort of record. Once in a while the grue some poster, if not too gruesome, get* a favorable vote and is used. So I recommend that practice, that you let your safely committee, if it is composed of people from the plant, not ail foremen, but people from the workbench and the machine shop, vote on your posters because they know what the people in the plant are saying and how tley feci. G. L. Gore (chief safety engineer, Bruce Dodson Co., Kansas City, Mo.): I have tad a good deal of experience in sending out safety posters to our subscribers. I am nut an old timer ui this work at all, but when I started sending out those posters I expect 1 got in more jams titan you can stake a stick at. The posters that have been effective arc those tliat are of a serious nature and instructive. I have not had anything but back-1ashes from gruesome posters. I used to think that the way to warn against infections was put up a picture that would make men think. I have *<mt out 2,200 or 2,300 of those and I have heard from our subscribers that they didn't like them. They, had visitors come through the plant, and they didn't want the visitors to get the impression that there was any such- possibility in their plant of a serious infection, especially in handling the food product*. I am really in favor of instructive posters, but I do not think so strongly of the humorous posters. I think that you have got to watch that very carefully. Chairman Cooren: I would like to give you some information that I gathered over at the library of the National Safety Council. They have some posters over there that they have collected from foreign countries. You would be surprised how the nature of ilwsc posters seems to line up with the nature of the people. Some parts of Europe, particularly Spain where they enjoy hull fights as a Sunday after noon pastime, and particularly cock fights, which are a great pastime, seem to run to these gruesome poster*. You get up in tlie Scandinavian countries and the British Isles, and you do not see any of them in that collection at all. I do not want to make any comparison between the merits of those different nationalities, but it Is perfectly evident to me that the likes and dislikes of the nature of posters are all In the way you are brought up. I do not like ita gruesome poster, myself. We have one out here in the hall showing the result of some infections. I think that is a particularly bad thing to |Hit up. The National Safety Council did publish one of a man who had his thigh caught in a gear wheel. He had both hands back and the whole altitude and expres sion on Ids lace showed great pain. I put,that poster up as a test and it did not stay up one day. Somebody tore it down. I put another one up and that did not stay very long. It was torn down. I put a third one up and one of our employees came t\ me and `aid, "1 don't like that Mr. Cooper. I wish you would not pat a thing like that up", so I did not put up any more of that kind. About the humorous ones, I am inclined to think as Mr. Sutton says, that if wc took a vote on tlieir value, it would prove that they were of little good. That ha* Keen my experience with them, that no attention is paid to them. I never got any comments on humorous* posters at all. I have gotten comments tack on some of the others. Mr. Sutton: On this poster proposition. I keep hi pretty close touch with the man who gets out tliesc posters and I want to say that the National Safety Council Food Section 769 wants to learn, and ii you want to send in suggestions to them, they will be very glad to get tlicm and very glad to get comments on the posters they do publish. I know, because I write dozens and dozens of letters; and I was talking with one of the young ladies down at the convention registration desk and she said she read a lot of my letters and she assured me very frankly that none of my letters went in the waste paper basket, they all went in the files. Now, if my letters go in the files, yours surely will, so do not hesitate to write Stan Kershaw what you think of the posters. Make suggestions for new posters. Robert E. Day (Kellogg Company, Battte Creek, Mich.): We prepared a prob lem one time and it got over in good shape. It gave our message in the way we wanted it We took an X-ray picture and make * photostat copy, with typewritten copy telling the story, after asking the man's permission to do it. He agreed, so we had a meeting of machine men, put posters up, and it was quite effective. In that way we touched on the gruesome and it was serious and educational. Tt did not have all the bloody details of the injury as it might have appeared had a photograph of his arm been taken, but it just showed this broken bone and here was photostat copy in blue and white and it nude a rather effective picture. Chairman Coorea: I think you will get a great deal of benefit out of home-made Busters from photographs you can make in your plant. I never thought of using a mimeograph machine and a stencil, the way Mr, Llppmcott has, but I can see that it would have almost unlimited possibilities. Mr. Sutton: The mimeograph is a fine way of geting out home-made poster* and if you have a blue print machine you can use it also for getting out home-made posters. ADJOURNMENT