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IN IBB UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF VEST VIRGINIA CHARLESTON, NEST VIRGINIA JAMES M. ADKINS, A d m in is tra to r ) o f tb s E sta ta o f Ralph E. A dkins, ) D iseased, a t a l , ) ) Plaintiffs, ) ) vs. ) Ho, 81-2098 MONSANTO COMPANY, a D elaw are C orporation, ) ) ) ) Defendant. ) D eposition o f WILEY HOGEMAN tak en on b e h a lf o f th e P lain tiffs. R e p o rte r: M. Jo y S p rin g e r J am es May R epo rtin g S e r v ic e CERTIFIED SHORTHAND REPORTERS R .R . 2 - BO X 65 ED W A R O SV ILLE. IL L IN O IS 62025 JStf i o i r I 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 r, - *j 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF WEST VIRGINIA CHARLESTON, WEST VIRGINIA JAMES M. ADKINS, A d m in is tra to r ) of the E sta te of Ralph E. A dkins, ) Deceased, e t a l , ) . .. ) P lain tiffs, ) vs. MONSANTO COMPANY, a D elaware C orporation, D efendant. ) ) ) ) ) ) )- No. 81-2098 V ' V"-y*V* ***. '-e -H i S - r- * ; APPEARANCES: M essrs. C a lw e ll, McCormick & Peyton, by W. S tu a r t C a lw e ll, J r . , E sq. M essrs. Bowles, McDavid, G ra ff & Love, by C h a rles M. Love I I I , E sq . and Thomas E. S c a r r , E sq . and Deborah A. S in k , For P la in tiffs , For D efendant. - IT IS STIPULATED AND AGREED by and betw een counsel fo r the p la in tiffs and counsel fo r the defendant t h a t the d e p o s itio n o f WILEY HOGEMAN may be ta k e n p u rsuant to Rule 26(a) of the F ed eral Rules of C iv il P roc e d u re , on J u ly 8 , 1983, a t th e Rad is son H o te l, Room 215, 9th S tre e t and Convention P la z a , S t. L ouis, M isso u ri, JA M ES MAY R E P O R T IN G S E R V IC E 1 1 b e f o r e M. JOY SPRINGER, a N o ta ry P u b lic w ith in and f o r 2 the County of M adison, S ta te of I l l i n o i s ; th a t the 3 issuance of n o tic e and dedlmus is w aived, and th a t th is 4 d e p o s itio n may be ta k e n w ith th e same f o r c e and e f f e c t 5 as I f a l l F ederal ru le s and s ta tu to r y requirem ents had 6 been complied w ith . 7 IT IS FURTHER STIPULATED AND AGREED t h a t an y 8 and a l l objections to a l l or any p a rt of th is d ep o sitio n , 9 except o b jectio n s as to form of the questIons a s k a i l T < ->r'. .Tvof?: 10 answ ers g iv e n , a r e h e re b y r e s e r v e d an d may be 11 on th e t r i a l o f t h i s c a u s e ; and t h a t th e s ig n a tu r o no f 12 th e dep o n en t I s n o t w aiv ed . 13 14 15 16 17 WILEY HOGEMAN 18 produced, sworn and exam ined on b e h a lf of th e p l a i n t i f f s 19 deposes a h d e a y s a s fo llo w s ; 20 EXAMINATION 21 BY MR. CALWELL: 22 (Whereupon th e r e p o r te r marked P la in 23 t i f f s 1 D ep o sitio n E x h ib it #295 (Monsanto 24 #8324372) c o n s is tin g of 1 page, fo r the p u r 25 poses o f i d e n t i f i c a t i o n .) JA M E S MAY R E P O R T I N G SE R V IC E 2 Q (By Mr. C a lw e ll) Would you s t a t e your name , p l e a s e , A W iley Hogeman. Q And where do you l i v e , Mr. Hogeman? A Here in S t. Louis a t F a ir Oaks. Q Y o u 're em ployed by th e M onsanto Company? A Yes.. Q What is i t you do fo r them? A I'm the G eneral Manager of the Chemicals b u s in e s s , q Is th a t a c o rp o ra te le v e l positLcax? , ] V^V." `v;M A No, i t ' s n o t . I 'm n o t an o f fic e 'r ij;;bu^ I am a s e n io r m anager. Q Is th e re a Rubber Chemicals D ivision? A I t used to be a Rubber Chemials D iv isio n and th en we re o rg a n iz e d and now i t ' s c a lle d -- we have M an u factu rin g - - we have f u n c t i o n a l i z e d . We have a manu factu rin g function and a research function, a sales fu n c tio n , and then I run the b u sin ess group which a re the commercial people. Q Does t h a t group have a name? A I t 's the Rubber Chemicals business group. Q Would t h a t be th e same, l i k e , MIC is Monsanto I n d u s t r i a l C h e m ic als, Is t h a t th e same kind o f o rg a n iz a tio n a l d iv is io n th a t the Rubber Chemicals group is? J A M E S MAY R E P O R T I N G S E R V I C E 3 1 A No. The Rubber C hem icals group Is one 2 of th e groups w ith in an MIC company. I t ' s one of th e 3 b u s in e s s e s w ith in an o p e ra tin g company and one o f the 4 b u s in e s s e s o f M onsanto Polym er P ro d u c ts Company. 5 Q And y o u 'r e a G en eral Manager? 6 A G eneral Manager, r ig h t. 7 Q How lo n g have you been In t h a t p o s itio n ? 8 A S ince Ja n u a ry 1 s t , 1981. Two and a 9 H alf y ears. 10 Q What I s your e d u c a tio n ? 1' /; .-."A.-; .."-*0 n A I have a B. S. Degree in C h em istry 12 and a second B .S. D egree in C hem ical E n g in e e rin g from .: 13 L o u isia n a S ta te U n iv e r s it y . U Q You o r i g i n a l l y from t h a t a re a ? 15 A Y es. B orn, r a i s e d t h e r e . Never l e f t 16 u n t i l I w ent to work w ith M onsanto and I went i n t o the 17 s e r v i c e . 18 Q Are th o se your o n ly two D egrees? 19 A Yes. T h a t 's enough. One to o many. 20 . Q V7hen d id you s t a r t w ith M onsanto? 21 A June 13, 1956. T h a t's a b o u t 27 y e a rs ag o . 22 Q D uring t h a t p e rio d of tim e from 1956 23 u n t i l to d ay have you had any co n n e c tio n w ith the N itro 24 f a c i l i t y ? 25 A Not u n t i l I moved In to th e Rubber J A M E S MAY R E P O R T I N G S E R V I C E L ' 1 Chem icals b u sin ess in January o f ?81. 2 Q During your employment w ith Monsanto 3 have you done any work in the area o f ch lorop h en ols? 4 A No. 5 Q Any a s s o c ia t io n w ith 2 ,4 ,5 -T 7 6 A No. 7 Q What k in d s o f t h in g s h ave you done 8 fo r Monsanto over the years? 9 A W e ll. I s t a r t e d o u t in th e T e c h a i c & l ; : ^ V -*c: & 10 group in P e n s a c o la , F lo r id a , and worked my way s? 4. n t h a t m a ssiv e o r g a n iz a tio n ru n n in g many o th e r jo b s'iW ith in ;.V-^& 12 the p la n t t o G en eral S u p e r in te n d e n t, Then from t h e 'y ,*s: 13 moved to P la n t Manager o f a f ila m e n t p o l y e s t e r p la n t . i 14 and g o t i n t o Alabam a, and i t was s in c e s h u t down or 15 e x i t e d th e fila m e n t p o l y e s t e r b u s i n e s s , and I came t o 16 S t . L o u is in 1964 a s the B u s in e s s D ir e c to r o f the I n 17 d u s t r i a l F ib e r s B u sin e ss Group and from th e r e t o G en era l 18 Manager o f M an u factu rin g f o r th e t e x t i l e company. I 19 ran a l l o f th e m a n u fa ctu rin g f o r th e t e x t i l e s o r g a n iz e 20 t i o n and th e n from th e r e to ru n n in g a l l o f m a rk etin g f o r 21 t e x t i l e s and from th e r e over to Rubber C h em icals in *81. 22 Q Now, i s 1981 your f i r s t e x p e r ie n c e in 23 the Rubber C hem icals area? 24 A Y es. F ir s t in tr o d u ctio n to th a t w o rld . 25 Q And t h a t w ould a c c o u n t , th e n , f o r your JA M ES MAY R E PO R T IN G SE R V IC E 5 1 beginning asso ciatio n w ith N itro fa c ility ? - J 2 A Uh huh ( y e s ) . But th e N itr o P la n t 3 d i d n 't re p o rt d ir e c tly to me. I t re p o rte d through the 4 M an u factu rin g D iv is io n , b u t N itr o made some o f th e ru b b e r 5 ch e m ic als p ro d u c ts t h a t we s e l l . Q And from your summary o f your e x p e rie n c e 7 w ith M onsanto, I take i t , over the y ears you have had 8 no a s s o c ia tio n w ith the A g ric u ltu ra l b u sin ess o f Monsanto? ' -'V.-^..h'.v' *' 'X5* 9 A No, none w hatsoever I w ish I 10 Q Now, Mr. Hogeman, y oDullrt* nDaammef cDrroopn nj^ di T~'`'-";u*'' ' 11 Tf f '* .up on a docum ent. I *11 hand you w h at' s been narkfitT 12 P l a i n t i f f s 1 E x h ib it #295 (Monsanto # 8 3 2 4 3 ?2 ), sir.'-V 13 A Uh huh ( y e s ) . 14 Q You have had a chance to lo o k a t Ex- 15 h i b i t 295? 1 A Yes. 17 Q T hat a p p e a rs to be a M onsanto memo 18 randum , an d your name is shown on th e d i s t r i b u t i o n l i s t ? 19 :-.A Uh huh ( y e s ) . 20 Q And the docum ent r e f e r s to th e N itr o 21 H e a lth S tudy Task F o rc e . Why w ould you be on t h a t d i s 22 t r i b u t i o n l i s t ? 23 A Only because 1 was the G en eral Manager 24 of th e Rubber Chem icals B u s in e s s , and some of th e c h e m ic a ls 25 t h a t we s e l l a r e made in N itr o . So I would have a b u s in e s s J A M E S MAY R E P O R T I N G S E R V I C E 1 i n t e r e s t in ..this whole p ro ceed in g as f a r as maybe the 2 e v e n tu a l outcome, or w hatever. 3 Q Now, in t h a t c o n n e c tio n how w ere you 4 made aw are o f th e fo rm a tio n o f th e N itr o Task F o rce? 5 A I d id n 't have any d e ta ile d knowledge 6 o f any fo rm atio n of any Task F o rc e. T his was done a t 7 a c o r p o r a te le v e l c o m p le te ly d iv o rc e d from me o r an y 8 in p u t from me-. K f -V.* -;i \ 9 Q R ig h t. Did you j u s t s t a r t r e c e i\r ; `jV-vu 10 th e se c o p ie s o f the m inutes o f th e Task F o rce and;1 11 k in d o f th in g ? 12 A Yes. x*i%V 13 Q Did you have anyadvance n o tic e t h a t 14 you were going to s t a r t r e c e iv in g th o se docum ents? 15 A No, n o t r e a l l y . 1 Q They j u s t showed up in your m a il one day? 17 A Yes, j u s t because o f my p o s i t i o n . 18 ... - Q Did you a s k , what in the w orld is the 19 N itr o Task F o rc e , I 'v e j u s t g o tte n t h i s m ail? 20 A* I re a d some o f them a n d , o f c o u r s e , 21 th e y were s e lf - e x p l a n a t o r y . 22 Q So a s id e from j u s t r e c e iv in g th e s e 23 documents w ith o u t w arning, X su p p o se, and re a d in g them, 24 t h a t 's the only knowledge you had ab o u t the N itr o Task 25 F orce, is th a t what you re saying? J A M E S MAY R E P O R T I N G S E R V I C E 1 A T h at's about i t . 2 Q Do you know anybody on th e d i s t r i b u t i o n 3 l i s t on E x h ib it 295? A 4 A I know m ost o f them. I d o n 't know 5 some o f th e peo p le t h a t t h i s i s d i r e c t l y a d d re s s e d to . I know a l l o f the p eo p le t h a t were c o p ie d i n , b u t n o t 7 the ad d ressees, not a l l of the ad d ressee s. 8 Q A ll r i g h t . You t a l k to any o f th e s e 9 o th e r fe llo w s you knew t h a t w ere c o p ie d " *'* ' ' 10 a b o u t the N it r o Task F orce? 11 A Oh, y e s . We ta lk e d p e r i o d i c a l l y / 12 h allw ay c o n v e r s a tio n s , w h a te v e r. l'" r.i* 13 Q And w ere th e y in th e same s i t u a t i o n 14 you were i n , j u s t p r e t t y much ig n o r a n t a b o u t why th e y 15 would s t a r t r e c e iv in g th e s e docum ents? l A Oh, th e y w e r e n 't ig n o r a n t a s to why. 17 N e ith e r was I ig n o r a n t a s to why I was r e c e i v i n g them . 18 I knew v e ry w e ll why I was r e c e iv in g them . Sim ply b e - 4r * 19 c a u s e o f my p o s i t i o n . I clave an i n t e r e s t in i t b u t no 20 d i r e c t in v o lv em en t. 21 Q What was th e p u rp o se o f che N itr o T ask 22 F orce? 23 A I'm n o t s u r e . S in ce I w a s n 't ask ed 24 a s to what was in v o lv e d , I c a n 't answ er th e q u e s tio n . 25 Q I f I u n d e rsta n d w hat y o u 're sa y in g J A M E S MAY R E P O R T I N G S E R V I C E  1 c o r r e c tly , th en , every b it o f correspondence th a t goes 2 to th e N itr o P la n t, th en , sin c e th e N itr o P la n t has 3 some f u n c t io n w it h th e ru b b e r c h e m ic a ls a s p e c t s o f 4 M onsanto, you a s a m atter o f c o u r s e , th en , r e c e iv e , is 5 th a t w hat y o u 're s a y in g , and th a t th is was no d if fe r e n t 6 th a n a n y th in g e l s e you w ould r e c e iv e from d e a lin g w ith , 7 the N ltr o P la n t? 8 A I receiv e a lo t o f correspondence 9 in v o lv in g th e Rubber C h em icals B u sin e ss a s s o c ia t e d v , ^ , 1r * 10 N i t r o . I d o n ' t r e c e i v e a l o t o f o t h e r , b u t o n a g e n e r a l ' 11 b a s i s I d o . I f i t ' s a g e n e r a l p l a n t s i t u a t i o n , I r e - - 12 c e i v e i t b e c a u s e i t c o u ld im p a c t my b u s i n e s s . B ut' t h e r e * 13 a r e o t h e r b u s i n e s s e s a t N i t r o a l s o b e s i d e s r u b b e r c h e m i - 14 c a l s , a n d I d o n ' t r e c e i v e t h a t k i n d o f i n f o r m a t i o n . 15 Q B u t i n s o f a r a s i n f o r m a t i o n t h a t N i t r o 16 m a y g e n e r a t e o r b e d i r e c t e d t o N i t r o t h a t c o n c e r n s t h e 17 R u b b e r C h e m i c a l s B u s i n e s s , y o u w o u l d n o r m a l l y r e c e i v e . 18 t h a t , i s t h a t w h a t y o u ' r e s a y i n g ? 19 A U h h u h ( y e s ) . 20 . Q A n d t h e N i t r o T a s k F o r c e w a s r e a l l y 21 n o d i f f e r e n t t h a n a n y t h i n g e l s e , a n d t h a t ' s w h y y o u w e r e 22 o n t h e l i s t ? 23 A I t ' s s o m e t h i n g t h a t i m p a c t e d t h e w h o l e 24 p l a n t a n d a s a r e s u l t a n y t h i n g t h a t ' s g e n e r a l t h a t ir a 25 p a c t s t h e p l a n t I r e c e i v e , a s m y a s s o c i a t e s d o , b e c a u s e JA M E S MAY REPO R TIN G SERVICE 9 1 i t c o u ld im p act n o t o n ly my b u s in e s s b u t t h e i r s . I t ' s 2 fo r inform ational purposes. 3 Q How d id you know i t im pacted th e e n t i r e 4 plant? 5 A What -- Q The N itr o T ask F o rc e . 7 A I d o n 't know w h e th e r i t d o e s . 8 Q Now, you j u s t s a id i t d id , you s a id i t 9 im pacted the e n tir e p la n t and sin c e you have s 10 t i o n w ith a p a r t o f th e p l a n t y<n s a id t h a t 's the-ril 11 t h a t you r e c e iv e d i t . 12 A I t was a p la n t i s s u e , i t ' s a i * * * v . 13 Q W ell, do you r e c e iv e e v e ry th in g t h a t 's 14 a p l a n t is s u e ? 15 A T h at m ight im pact my b u s in e s s , y e s . T Q W e ll, how d id ym know t h a t t h a t was a 17 p la n t is s u e t h a t im pacted th e e n t i r e p la n t? . 18 ^ -A T h a t's my own u n d e rs ta n d in g and my 19 own im p re s s io n . 20 Q A l l r i g h t . And w hat d id p u base t h a t 21 u n d e rs ta n d in g and im p re s sio n on? 22 A Common s e n s e . 23 Q N othing e ls e ? 24 A No. J u s t the f a c t th a t a la w s u it has 25 been b ro u g h t on by a number o f em ployees sp rea d a c ro s s J A M E S MAY R E P O R T I N G S E R V I C E H 1 the p la n t, and whether they are spread across the plant 2 I d o n 't know. I d o n 't know w here th e y come from . But 3 I assum e t h a t . I t ' s an a ssu m p tio n on my p a r t . 4 Q Is t h a t why th e N itr o Task Force was 5 formed? A For what? 7 Q Because of the la w su it. 8 A I d o n 1t know. 9 W ell, you j u s t sa id because of ruit: 10 b ro u g h t by a number of em ployees -- n A And I s a id I assumed a l l t h a t . ;I- c a n 't 12 f a c t u a l l y sa y yes or no to t h a t because I 'm n o t knowl^;* 13 e d g e a b le . 14 Q I u n d e rsta n d t h a t . But in your mind, 15 a t l e a s t , th e r e m ust be some c o n n e c tio n betw een th e 16 la w s u it o r a la w s u it and th e N itr o Task F o rc e , is t h a t 17 w hat y o u 're sa y in g ? 18 A X d o n 't know. I d o n 't know when th e 19 N itr o T ask F o rc e was form ed, I d o n 't know when th e la w s u it 20 was f i l e d , so I c a n 't t e l l w hich came f i r s t . 21 Q So y o u 'r e chan g in g your te stim o n y - 22 A No. 23 Q You d o n 't have t h a t im p ressio n an y more 24 a b o u t the co n n ectio n between th e la w su its and the Task 25 F orce and th e number of in d iv id u a ls th a t were spread J A M E S MAY R E P O R T I N G SE R V I C E f1 1 a c ro ss th e p la n t giving you an im pression th a t the Task 2 F orce, th e n r impacted the e n tire p la n t and th a t's the 3 re a so n you w ere on a copy l i s t ? T h a t's th e way I u n d e r 4 stood your testim ony. 5 A My te stim o n y was t h a t I r e c e iv e d t h i s 6 because i t 's something th a t could im pact the e n tire p la n t 7 and as a r e s u lt I received i t , yes. 8 Q And I ask ed you why, and t h a t 's th e 9 e x p la n a tio n you gave me. Now, do you have a d i f < S1 ir 10 i r s f c ^ & . 11 one? -i*-.?.- 12 A No, i ' l l s t i c k w ith w hat I s a i d , ' ^ , 13 Q Now, do you s t i l l r e c e iv e in fo rm a tio n 14 from the Task F orce? 15 A P e r io d ic a lly . Less and le s s f r e q u e n t. 1 Q Some o f th e Task F orce m a te r ia l s make 17 r e f e r e n c e to d io x in , you r e c a l l th a t? 18 - . A No. 19 Q Have you e v e r h e a rd o f d io x in o r 20 . ^ 2 , 3 , 7 , 8 tstra c h lo ro d ib e n z o -p a ra -d io x in ? 21 A I th in k ev eryone in S t. L ouis has h e a rd 22 o f t h a t because o f Times Beach. 23 Q When d id you f i r s t h e a r a b o u t d io x in ? 24 A I c a n 't p in p o in t th a t. 25 Q Was i t in c o n n e c tio n w ith your work or J A M E S MAY R E P O R T I N G S E R V I C E 1 the Task Force? 2 A To be v e ry t r u t h f u l w ith you, th e f i r s t 3 t i n s t h a t d io x in made an im p re ssio n on me i s Times Beach. 4 Q And how d id youl e a r n a b o u t th a t ? 5 A Newspaper. 6 Q So your in fo rm a tio n a b o u td io x in had 7 its genesis, X guess, in the newspapers, rig h t? 8 A B asically. 9 Q Has t h a t been p r e t t y much th e source;* -*: 10 o f your in fo rm a tio n a b o u t d io x in , th e new spapers? 11 A Uh huh ( y e s ) . 12 Q Did th e N itr o T askF o rc e have a n y th in g 13 to do w ith d io x in , t h a t you know o f? 14 A N ot r e a l l y , t o my know ledge, 15 Q You d o n 't have an y id e a w hat i t had to 1 do w ith , r i g h t ? 17 A No. 18 ,Q Did you e v e r a t t e n d a n y m eetin g s of th e 19 N itr o T ask F orce? 20 A I th in k , one m eetin g , one of the f i r s t 21 m e e tin g s, and I'm n o t s u re w h e th e r i t was t h a t one o r n o t . 22 Q And do you know why you a tte n d e d i t ? 23 A Yea. Because th e y c a lle d a m eeting 24 to b rin g people up to d a te on a l l o f th e a c t i v i t i e s , 25 Q Do you remember w hat you were b ro u g h t J A M E S MAY R E P O R T I N G S E R V I C E i: 1 up to d ata on a t th a t tim e? 2 A How many p l a i n t i f f s , w hat c h e m ic a ls 3 were in volved and a l l o f i t , I d id n 't understand most 4 o f i t sim p ly b eca u se I was r a th e r new . You can im agine 5 me coming from T e x t i l e s i n t o t h a t w o r ld . 6 Q When you w ere in T e x t i l e s , d id you 7 have occasion to work w ith carbon d ifu lfid e ? 8 A No. 9 Q That w ould be tr u e f o r H2S, I ' 10 A R ig h t. - i. 11 Q That m e e tin g t h a t you a t t e n d e d w h ere _ 12 you were b rou gh t up to d a te on th e `s t a t u s o f th e 13 a n d ,I assu m e, you*re t a l k i n g a b o u t th e l a w s u i t t h a t 14 y o u 'r e b e in g d ep osed in now, a s u i t b ro u g h t by a number 15 o f em p loyees and form er em p lo y ee s? l A Uh huh ( y e s ) . 17 Q I s t h a t w here you g o t th e id e a t h a t 18 th e Task 7 o r c e was in r e s p o n s e t o t h a t L aw suit? 19 N o. 20 Q Did t h a t r e i n f o r c e your o p in io n t h a t 21 t h a t i s w hat the c o n n e c tio n was? 22 A N o . 23 Q Hava you r e c e i v e d any b r i e f i n g or 24 in fo r m a tio n a t a l l from N it r o r e g a r d in g 2 , 2 , 7-,8-TCDD? 25 A No. JA M E S MAY R E P O R T I N G S E R V I C E 1 Q Or M onsanto? 2 A I d id n 't hear th at. 3 Q You have n o t r e c e iv e d an y in fo r m a tio n 4 or b r ie fin g about 2,3,7,8-TC D D from your company, i s th a t 5 righ t? 6 A Not me, no, 7 q And n o th in g in c o n n e c tio n w it h a n y 8 c h lo r a c n e or h e a lt h , problem s t h a t may have been a p p a ren t 9 or presen _ " _` `J 10 or a n y o th e r 11 A T h a t' s r i g h t . 12 . \V Q You have had no in fo r m a tio n a b out' t b t 13 from th e p la n t or from M onsanto? 14 A No. 15 Q O.K. The o n ly t h in g youknew a b o u t 16 i s w hat you read in - th e n e w sp a p er s, r ig h t ? 17 A A bout d io x in ? 18 Q Y e s. 19 A Y es. 20 Q And th e N it r o P la n t? 21 A . I d o n 't rea d a b o u t th eN it r o P la n t in 22 th e n e w sp a p er s. 23 Q Now, in c o n n e c tio n w ith your r e c e iv in g 24 l it e r a t u r e from the N itr o Task F o r c e , did you r e c e iv e 25 a n y in fo r m a tio n a b o u t Raymond S u sk in d ? J A M E S MAY R E P O R T I N G S E R V I C E A AC t h a t p o in t - - jQ Which p o in t? A- E a rly on, when I w ent to one m eeting, and I 'm n o t s u re w hat m eetin g t h a t w as, w h eth er i t was the f i r s t , second, fo u rth or te n th or what, but I went v to a m eeting and I th in k they rep o rted som ething. This h as g o t to be two y e a rs a g o , an d I was b ran d new in th e jo b . But I th in k they were ta lk in g about som ething, ^ . t h a t maybe Sus k in d was g o in g to do som ething or I d o n * t know w hat th e d e r a i l s w ere. '..'.wS; Q You e v e r se e a n y o f h is s tu d l e s s o r summaries of them or an y th in g lik e th a t? J-. ,:K m A No. Q And a s f a r a s you know, you n e v e r atten d ed any other meetings of the Task Force other than th a t one? A I d o n 't think so. v (J You t e s t i f i e d t h a t your c o n n e c tio n w ith th e N I tr o P la n t in your p r e s e n t jo b was in th e b u sin e ss se n se, I suppose, the economics of the p la n t or w h eth e r i t ' s p ro b a b le or n o t , does t h a t come u n d er your -- A Uh huh ( y e s ) . i Q Did you have a co n n ectio n w ith a fu n c tio n lik e th a t in any o th er job you had w ith Monsanto, lik e , f o r exam ple, in th e '6 0 s? Were you in a b u sin e ss -- JA M E S MAY R E P O R T I N G S E R V I C E 16 I When I ran th e I n d u s t r i a l F ib e r s 2 B usiness Group in 1974 u n t i l ' 76. 3 ; Q Was t h a t your f i r s t jo b - 4 A In a commercial jo b , y e s, because I 5 had been in m anufacturing up to th a t p o in t. Q Now, have you had an y c o n n e c tio n w ith 7 th e Krummrich P lan t? 8 A Yes. ' T.*-V^v*/ 9 Q In th e same p o s tu re a s th e 10 w ould be in r e l a t i o n to your jo b ? sSllSI ... 17 A Yes. C u r r e n tly . In th e jo b I'n iP ih ncwV.-^ 12 Q And have you been made aw are * * ' ** '* 13 t e s t i n g p la n o r p ro ced u res re g a r d in g a n a ly z in g S an to p h en 1 14 o r c h lo ro d ib e n z o - d io x in s ? 15 A No. 16 Q Don1t know a n y th in g a b o u t th a t? 17 A Don* t know a n y th in g a b o u t i t . 18 . Q You w ere n o t on any m a ilin g l i s t o r 19 co p ied ? 20 A Not to my know ledge. 21 Q And t h a t would be tr u e fo r 1979? 22 Y ou1r e n o t aw are o f a n y th in g t h a t o c cu rr ed in 1979 i n 23 v o lv in g t e s t i n g o f p e n ta c h lo r o p h e n o l or o r c h o c h lo r o p h e n o l? 24 A No. 25 Q For d lb en zofu ran s or a n y th in g l ik e th a t? J A M E S MAY R E P O R T I N G S E R V I C E A D id n 't even know w hat th e y .re. D o n 't Vt'tiknow y e t w hat th e y a r e . Q W ell, they have been in the new spapers. A Maybe y o u 're r i g h t . MR. CALWELL: O .K ., Mr. Hogeman. Thank you. W iley Hogeman *f-vv * ^ .V - r i . % , - Vi w .; 'si ?*5&s*t?Esr ,* .' ' t ^ f ' O v 'n " * J A M E S MAY R E P O R T I N G S E R V I C E 1; 1 STATE OF ILLINOIS ) 2 ) SS. COUNTY OF MADISON ) 3 ' 4 I , M. JOY SPRINGER, a N o ta ry P u b lic , d u ly 5 commissioned and q u a lif ie d in and fo r th e County o f 6 M adison, S ta te of I l l i n o i s , do hereby c e r t if y th a t 7 p u rs u a n t to n o tic e came b e f o r e me on th e 8 th day o f 8 J u ly , 1983, a t th e R adis son H o te l, Room 215, 9 th 9 S tre e t and Convention P laza, S t, L o u is, Miss our V. ;- ^ v '^'* *-*' *-'*>vj. ,ii .'1n'*v, , *tH'v,i, 10 WILEY HOGEMAN, who was by me d u ly sworn to t e s t i f y ; t o ' 11 th e t r u t h and n o th in g b u t th e t r u t h o f h is know ledge 12 touching and concerning the m atters in controversy *v s._ 13 t h i s c a s e ; t h a t he v as th e re u p o n c a r e f u l l y exam ined 14 upon o a th , an d h i s e x a m in a tio n red u ce d to w r i t i n g 15 u n d er my s u p e r v is io n ; t h a t th e d e p o s itio n i s a tr u e 16 r e c o r d o f th e te s tim o n y g iv e n by th e w itn e s s ; and 17 s ig n a tu r e o f th e w itn e s s was n o t w aived. 18 .1 FURTHER CERTIFY t h a t I am n e i t h e r a t t o r n e y 19 nor cou n sel fo r nor r e la te d to nor employed by and 20 of the p a rtie s to the a c tio n In which th is d ep o sitio n 21 i s ta k e n ; and f u r t h e r , t h a t I am n o t a r e l a t i v e o r 22 employee of any a tto rn e y or co u n sel employed by th e 23 p a rtie s h ereto , or fin a n c ia lly in te re ste d in the 24 a c tio n . J 25 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have h e re u n to s e t my J A M E S MAY R E P O R T I N G S E R V I C E 1C 1 hand and a f f i x e d my no t a r la 1 s e a l on t h is r 2 day of Ju ly , 1983. 3 4 5 6 7 8 N otary Public w ith in and fo r tha, 9 C ounty o f M adison, S ta te o f I l l i a . "JSK- &; 10 V... *%'-\ \s . l -V -Vv 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 J A M E S MAY R E P O R T I N G S E R V I C E 20