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2B 5 B IBSnED STATES D ISTRICT COURT scanasbh d is t r ic t of w est Vir g in ia C8AR2JSST0S, WEST V IR d R IA JAMES M. ADKIS8, AdainiB tr a t a r ) o the E sta te o Ralph E. A dkins,) Deceased, a t 1, ) Plaintiffs, ) WOBSAHTO CCE4PAHT, a D elatas* C o rp o ratio n , D efendant. ) ) Ho. 81-2093 ) ) ) ) ) D aposition o f LL0TD J . Bti&SCH taken an behalf of ta P lain tiffs. *********** R eportar: K. Joy S pringer J a m es M ay R e po r tin g S e r v ic e CERTIFIED SHORTHAND REPORTERS R.R, 2 - BOX 65 EDWARD SVILLE, ILLINOIS 62025 IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF WEST VIRGINIA CHARLESTON, WEST VIRGINIA JAMES M. ADKINS, A d m in is tr a to r ) of the E sta te of Ralph E. A dkins,) Deceased, e t a l, ) ) P lain tiffs, ) "vs. ) ) MONSANTO COMPANY, a D elaw are C orporation, ) ) ) ) D efendant. ) , No. . 81-2098 APPEARANCES: M essrs. C a lw e ll, McCormick & Peyton j by W. S t u a r t C a lw e ll, J r . , E sq , For P la in tiffs , M e ssrs. B ow les, McDavid, G r a f f 6t Love, by C h a rle s M. Love I I I , E sq . For D efendant, Thomas M. B i s t l i n e , E sq. Counsel for M onsanto Company, IT IS STIPULATED AND AGREED by and betw een counsel fo r the p la in tif f s and counsel fo r the defendant t h a t th e d e p o s itio n o f LLOYD J . BCESCH may be ta k e n p u r suant to Rule 26 (a) o f th e F e d e r a l R u les o f C i v i l P ro c e d u re , oh June 21, 1983, a t th e R a d is s o n H o te l, P ik e Room, 9th S tre e t and Convention P laz a, S t. L ouis, M issouri, be- / f o re M. JOY SPRINGER, a N o ta ry P u b lic w ith in and f o r th e County of M adison, S ta te o f I l l i n o i s ; th a t the issu an ce JAMES MAY REPO RTING S ERVICE 1 1 1 2 3 .* . 4 5 of n o tic e and dedimus is w aived, and th a t th is d e p o sitio n may be ta k e n w ith th e same f o r c e and e f f e c t a s i f a l l F e d e r a l ru le s and s ta tu to ry requirem ents had been com plied w ith . IT IS FURTHER STIPULATED AND AGREED t h a t a n y and a l l o b jectio n s to a l l or any p a rt of th is deposition, except ob- 6 je c tio n s as to form of the q u estio n s asked or answers given, 7 a re h e re b y re s e rv e d and may be r a is e d on th e t r i a l o f t h i s 8 cause; and th a t the sig n a tu re of the deponent is not waived. 9 *** 10 LLOYD J . BOESCH n p ro d u ced , sworn and exam ined on b e h a lf o f th e p l a i n t i f f s , 12 d ep o ses and sa y s a s f o l l o w s : 13 BY MR. CALWELL: e x a m in a tio n 15 (Whereupon th e r e p o r te r marked P l a i n t i f f s 1 Depo16 s i t i o n E x h ib it #124, c o n s i s t i n g o f 2 p ag e s; E x h ib it 17 #125, c o n s is tin g o f 1 page; E x h ib it #126, c o n s is tin g o f 18 2 p a g e s; and E x h i b i t # 1 2 7 , c o n s i s t i n g o f 2 p a g e s , 19 f o r th e p u rp o se s o f i d e n t i f i c a t i o n . ) 20 Q (By Mr. C a llw e ll) T e l l us your name, s i r . 21 A L loyd J . B o esch , B - o - e - s - c - h . 22 Q And w here do you l i v e , M r. Boesch? 23 A I l i v e a t 318 W ild b r ie r D riv e , B a llw in , 24 M isso u ri. 25 q W ild b rie r? .. | JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE 2 1 tN W. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 n 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24. 25 A W -i-1 -d -b -r-i-e-r. q Ballw in? A B -a-l-l-w -i-n , q M isso u ri, huh? A M issouri, 63011. q Hew o ld a r e you? A 45. I ' l l be 46 n ex t week or som ething like th a t. q L e t me s a y f o r th e r e c o r d , s i r , you d o n 't look a day of i t . A Thank you. q I w ant to a s k you some q u e s tio n s a b o u t your e d u c a tio n a l background. Where d id you go to c o lle g e ? I assume you went to c o lle g e . A I w ent to T u lan e U n iv e r s ity i n New O rleans, L ouisiana. q Did you g e t a Degree? A B .S . in Chem ical E ngineering. q What y ea r was th a t? A *59. q Did you do any p o st-g ra d u a te work? A No, s i r , I did n o t. q T hat was your one and only D egree, r ig h t? A R ight. q Upon g r a d u a tin g in 1959 w hat d id you do? 1 JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE J ! 1 1 2 ' 3- .' - 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 V\ V1 - 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24. 25 i A I becam e an em ployee o f M onsanto, Q R ig h t out o f sch o o l, huh? A R ig h t. Q And w h at o f f ic e in M onsanto d id you go to ? A I jo in e d the company a t th e L u lin g , L o u isia n a , P la n t. Q And w h a t d id you do f o r them ? A I h eld v ario u s e n g in e e rin g p o sitio n s ' f o r th e th re e and a h a lf y ears I was lo c a te d th e re . Q W hat kind o f p o s itio n s w ere th o se? A I n i t i a l l y I was J u n io r E n g in e e r; I b e lie v e th e y c a lle d i t back in th o se d a y s, w here I was a s s i g n e d v a r i o u s s t u d i e s a n d p r o j e c t s to w o rk on in some o f th e u n i t s , s o lv e p ro b le m s , d e te rm in e how t o e li m i n a te c o s ts , sav e in p u t, so to sp e ak . L a te r I was a M ain ten an ce E n g in e er in th e M aintenance D epartm ent fo r a p o rtio n o f th e f a c i l i t i e s , and a ls o d u rin g th a t tim e I had a re s p o n - X. s i b i l i t y to o v ersee th e o p e ra tio n o f a p ro cess c o n tro l c o m p u te r i n o u r Ammonia P l a n t . T h a t w a s , y o u m ig h t s a y , an im p o rta n t b u t p a rt-tim e jo b . I a ls o w orked a g a in in th e T e c h n ic a l S e rv ic e s D epartm ent w here I s ta r te d o f f a s a group le a d e r w orking w ith o th e r young e n g in e e rs J u s t com ing to w o rk . Q You w ere th e r e th r e e and a h a l f y e a rs ? A T h a t 1s r i g h t . JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE J 4 1 Q And w hat was your t i t l e when you l e f t th e re 2 A I th in k i t was S en io r E n g in ee r. 3 Q A ll r ig h t. Then d id you go to a n o th e r 4 M onsanto f a c i l i t y ? 5 A T h a t's c o r r e c t. I was tr a n s f e r r e d to our E ld o rad o , A rkansas, Chemical P la n t. 7 Q What d id you do th e r e ? Was t h a t in 8 ab o u t 1962? 9 A I t was a t the v a ry end o f 1962, December 10 o f 1962, n Q And w hat d id you do th e r e ? 12 A I w orked t h e r e f o r s i x y e a rs b e f o r e I 13 moved to a n o t h e r l o c a t i o n . D u rin g t h a t s i x y e a rs my 14 i n i t i a l p e r io d o f em ploym ent th e r e was in v o lv e d w ith th e 15 c o m p le tio n o f d e s ig n and th e i n s t a l l a t i o n o f a p ro c e s s 16 c o n t r o l co m p u ter and a s s o c i a t e d i n s t r u m e n ta tio n on th e 17 Ammonia P l a n t a t t h a t l o c a t i o n , and I was in v o lv e d v e r y . 18 d e e p ly i n e x e c u tin g t h a t from th e tim e I a r r i v e d u n t i l 19 a b o u t A p r i l o f 1964. A f t e r t h a t I became a S u p e r v is o r 20 in o u r T e c h n ic a l S e r v ic e s D ep artm en t s u p e r v i s i n g th e 21 e n g i n e e r s who w orked on th e v a r io u s p r o c e s s e s in th e p l a n t . 22 Q T e c h n ic a l S e r v ic e s ? 23 A Y es. 24 Q What b a s ic a lly do you do in T ech n ical 25 S e rv ic e s? JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE 1 V V^ J ^ } 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 U 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25' A W ell, every p la n t's a l i t t l e b it d if f e r e n t, b u t in th a t case and in most cases -- I had the E ngineering D epartm ent, and the people in the En- g in e e rin g D epartm ent in th a t pLant worked f o r me. They. were people th a t did design work, h elp s c o rre c t problem s. - Q For in sta n c e , i f you had a p la n t th a t was m anufacturing 2 ,4 ,5 -T , then the T ech n ical S e rv ice s D epartm entw ould.be resp o n sib le fo r any process changes in term s of d esig n in g the ap p aratu s and th a t kind o f th in g ? A Perhaps. In the case of the p la n t I was w orking in , t h a t 's th e c a s e . T h a t's r i g h t . E very org an izatio n does th a t a l i t t l e b it d iffe re n tly . T h a t's how we w orked i t . Q But th a t's b a s ic a lly what T echnical S ervices does - - A Search for so lu tio n s. Q R ig h t. 0 . K. A A And th e n I w ent t o h o ld o th e r jo b 6 in s u p e r v is io n in th e p l a n t . I was Ammonia P ro d u c tio n S u p e r- v is o r , M aintenance S u p e rv iso r, and I was T ec h n ica l S u p er- in te n d e n t when I had a l l e n g in e e rin g and r e p o r tin g a c c o u n t- in g t o me a s w e ll a s th e la b . Then I was th e M a in te n a n c e S u p e r in te n d e n t an d th e n s h o r t l y b e f o r e I moved .1 had* been a p p o in te d M anufacturing S u p e rin te n d e n t, b u t I was o n ly in th a t jo b a couple o f months and tr a n s f e r r e d to JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE 6 1 ^ ^` ' 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 n 12 13 14 , 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 , 25 - A n n isto n , Alabama, Q And t h a t was in 1968? A 1968, you got it,. Q And were you in v o lv e d in th e m an u factu re o f N ira n down th e r e ? A T h a t's r i g h t . X was th en w hat was c a lle d the Guest M anufacturing S u p erin ten d en t, Q N iran was a g u e s t o p e ra tio n ? A I t was a t t h a t tim e . The Ag D iv is i o n , a t t h a t tim e th e y c a l l e d i t . And I was r e s p o n s ib le f o r the o p eratio n of th e P a ra th io n P la n t, which one of th e p r o d u c ts we c a l l e d N ir a n , and a l s o th e p r o d u c tio n o f phosphorus p e n ta s u lf id e , w hich is a raw m a te ria l fo r p a ra th io n , I was in t h a t jo b f o r o n ly a y e a r. I was s e n t back to E ld o rad o a s P la n t M anager. I was th e P la n t M anager of E ld o rad o from th e F a l l o f *69 to th e F a l l o f '7 3 . Q What happened in *73? 4 A X was tr a n s f e r r e d back to th e L u lin g P la n t as P la n t Manager. Q O.K. L e t me a s k y o u , w hat i s th e b a s i c m ission of a P la n t Manager in th e M onsanto system ? A The b a s ic m is s io n is to a s s u re t h a t th e i d e n t i f i c a t i o n o f r e q u i r e d .r e s o u r c e s i s made and th a t they are e ith e r procured or sought from a u th o ritie s h ig h e r up who have th e -w h e r e w ith a l to p ro v id e them , w hich JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE 7 I 1 the P lan t Manager don*t, b a t to g e t the job done by 2 bringing the resources to g eth er and g e ttin g the products 3 sh ip p e d a c c o r d in g t o th e s c h e d u le s t h a t come o a t o f 4 our S ch ed u lin g , our d i s t r i b u t i o n o rg a n iz a tio n . So i t ' s 5 reso u rce management. I t ' s people and d o lla r s and th in g s 6 oanagement. 7 Q And in c a r r y in g o u t t h a t m is s io n , '- j- * * i 8 you a ls o re sp o n sib le fo r the developm ent and m aintenance 9 of h ea lth se rv ic e s and in d u s tria l hygiene? 10 A ~ Oh, a b s o l u t e l y . R e s p o n s ib le f o r th e n to ta l r e s u lt a t the p la n t, in clu d in g sa fe ty of the people 12 and th e in v e s tm e n t, th e r e s p o n s i b i l i t y we have t o our 13 n e ig h b o r s , th e o u ts id e W o rld , n o t t o hav e e m is s io n s t h a t 14 e i t h e r v i o l a t e th e law o r a r e n o x io u s t o our co m m u n itie s, 15 e t c e t e r a , o r t o th e h e a l t h o f o u r own e m p lo y e e s, r e s 16 p o n s ib le f o r th e q u a l i t y o f th e p r o d u c t.. .17 Q T his a r e a o f your r e s p o n s i b i l i t y in 18 v o lv in g s a f e t y , i n d u s t r i a l h y g ie n e , h e a l t h , a s i t r e 19 l a t e s n o t o n l y . t o em ployees b u t o u ts id e e n v iro n m e n t, 20 i s t h a t r e s p o n s i b i l i t y a two-way s t r e e t in t h a t , I .a s s u m e , 21 you*re r e s p o n s i b le f o r im p le m e n tin g company p o l i c i e s in 22 t h a t r e g a r d , b u t a r e you a l s o c h a rg e d w ith some i n d i v i d u a l 23 r e s p o n s i b i l i t y f o r t h a t to i n i t i a t e program s? 24 A S u re . We a r e r e s p o n s i b l e to a c c o m p lis h 25 the company*s sta n d a rd s as w e ll as to i n i t i a t e programs to JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE achieve the b e st p ossible conditions of sa fe ty or en vironm ent or c o s t, w hatever. Q And h as t h a t been th e c a s e , a t l e a s t , s in c e 1968, t h a t you know o f? A I d id n 't understand your question. Q W e ll, h as t h a t m is sio n been th e same sin c e a t l e a s t 1968 tface you were f i r s t th e P la n t Manager? A You mean fro m my p e r s o n a l p e r s p e c tiv e or M onsanto's? Q From y o u r cwn -p e rso n a l,. i A Oh, s u re . Q ^ , How a b o u t p r i o r to t h a t tim e? As f a r as you know, has i t alw ays been th a t way? A R ight. Q In th e F a l l o f *73 y o u 'r e b ack a t L u lin g a s P l a n t M an ag er. How lo n g w ere you th e r e ? A I was t h e r e from F a l l o f 173 u n t i l th e Jm. end o f O c to b e r, 1975. Two y e a r s . Q What happened then? A And th en I was a p p o in te d D ire c to r o f P roducts f o r M onsanto A g r ic u ltu r a l P ro d u c ts Company, and I had re s p o n s ib ility fo r B usiness Planning. Q Do you c a l l t h a t MAP? A Yeah. Q Is th a t in S t, Louis? JAMES MAY REPO RTING SERVICE .< 1 2 1_ ^ 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ii 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A Y es, S t , L o u is , My r e s p o n s i b i l i t y was f o r a number o f p ro d u c ts . T here w ere two o f u s . I t was a new o r g a n iz a tio n b ein g s e t u p , and t h i s was f o r th e Crop C h em icals D iv is i o n , by th e w ay, o f MA.F, I had r e s p o n s ib ility fo r business stra te g y and m arketing stra te g y - f o r p ro d u c ts L a ss o , Ramrod, P a r a th e s , P a ra th io n , Random, S to p s k o l - - I b e l i e v e I fve c o v e re d them a l l -- and th e form ulations of those products, w hethergranule or liq u id . Q And t h a t began in 1975? A Yes. I was a b u sin e ss/m a rk e tin g r e s - p o n s ib ility as opposed to having been a m anufacturing re s p o n s ib ility over th p ast six teen years. Q And i s t h a t w h at you do p r e s e n tly ? A No. Q What happened then? A I held th a t p o sitio n and the product r e s p o n s ib ilitie s changed around a l i t t l e b it over the tim e, but b a s ic a lly the change in job re s p o n s ib ility and the m ajo r p r o d u c t, L a ss o , w ere made a t th e same tim e . I n 1979, end o f *78, I c a n 't remember the p re c is e d a te , end of *78 o r e a r l y *79, I became D ir e c to r o f S a le s f o r Crop C hem icals f o r th e U nited S ta te s fo r the Crop Chem icals D iv is io n o f MAP. Q For the U nited S tate s? A Yes, JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE t, li 1C Q O.K. I s t h a t w h at you a r e now? A No. In th e end o f December, 1980, I was named G en eral M anager-M anufacturing f o r M onsanto I n d u s t r i a l C hem icals Company, w hich t i t l e I h o ld to d a y s which job has changed a l i t t l e b i t as of the f i r s t of th e y e a r b e c a u se o f th e r e o r g a n i z a t i o n s we had i n M onsanto d u rin g th e l a s t h a lf of la s t year and im plem ented on i J a n u a ry 1 s t , w hich means, r e a l l y I have some d i f f e r e n t product and p la n t re s p o n s ib ilitie s , but the o v e ra ll n a tu re of the jo b is the same. Q What i s B2SC? A T h a t's a lo c a tio n in a b u ild in g . I'm n o t s u r e , b u t i t may be my b u i l d i n g a d d r e s s . I 'm B2S some th in g . T h a t's one of th e d o o rs, so to sp eak , s u i t e s . Q L et m e.ask you, as G eneral Manager of M anufacturing f o r Monsanto I n d u s t r i a l Chem icals Company, .where do you f i t in the o rg a n iz a tio n a l scheme o f th in g s ? MR. LOVE: O b je c tio n to th e form o f the q u estio n .. In term s of what? Q (By M r. C a lw e ll) I n te rm s o f y o u r com pany, In o th e r w ords, w ho's above you? A I r e p o r t to th e Group V ice P r e s id e n t M anaging D ir e c to r of M onsanto I n d u s t r i a l C hem icals Com-' pany, who i s th e head o f th e company, Q A ll r i g h t . And who i s t h a t g en tlem an ? JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE . _ __ 1!_________________________________________________________________ :____________________________________________________________________________________________ - t 1 A Today h e !s R obert P o tte r . 2 ' 3- Q M onsanto? O.K. He's head o f t h i s company w ith in 4' 5 6 rig h t? A Q T h at's rig h t. And y o u 'r e d i r e c t l y u n d e r t h i s g e n tle n a n , - 7 A T h at's c o rre c t. S Q So you) *e number two man in t h i s M onsanto 9 I n d u s t r i a l C hem icals Company? 10 j A W ell, t h e r e 's a few o th e r fe llo w s t h a t H co u ld say th e same th in g . 12 q Same le v e l ? 13 A Yeah. 14 Q N ext l e v e l down, though? 15 A The t r u t h o f i t i s X am, b u t some m ig h t 16 d i s a g r e e . 17 q Who i s above R o b e rt P o t t e r ? 4 18 A He r e p o r t s to E x e c u tiv e V ice P r e s i d e n t , 19 who i s Mr * F i t z g e r a l d . 20 q Now, h e 's E x e c u tiv e V ice P r e s i d e n t 21 o f w hat? 22 A M onsanto Company, th e c o r p o r a t i o n . 23 Q H e's a c o rp o ra te le v e l guy? 24 . A T h a t 's r i g h t . He r e p o r t s to M r. M ahoney, ^ 25 ' th e P re s id e n t it 1| JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE i!_ 12 1 Q A ll r i g h t . Now, when you w ere D i r e c t o r 2 of S ales f o r Crop C hem icals, M onsanto A g r ic u ltu r a l P roducts 3 .fo r the e n tire United S ta te s , what le v e l is th a t w ith in 4 w hatever company i t is th a t th a t d iv is io n -- 5 A I f I understand what y o u 1re g e ttin g a t , i t f s e q u i v a l e n t t o a l e v e l t h a t r e p o r t s to me i n t h i s 7 other organization, 8 Q This would be lik e a n o th e r company, 9 so to sp eak , w ith in Monsanto C o rp o ratio n ? 10 A R ig h t. MAP i s j u s t l i k e MIC b u t a n o th e r ri com pany, an d my b o ss was th e G e n e ra l M anager. The o r 12 g a n i z a t i o n a l s t r u c t u r e w a s n 't e x a c t l y th e sam e, b u t l e v e l - 13 w ise t h a t ' s how i t w as, . 14 Q And th e r e p o r t i n g w ould be th e same? 15 You w ould go up to a V ice P r e s i d e n t , th e n th e h ea d o f th e l company an d th e n t o C o rp o ra te l e v e l an d so on? 17 A Uh huh ( y e s ) . 18 Q A l l - r i g h t . And w ould D i r e c t o r o f T9 P ro d u c ts -- 20 A I t was e q u iv a le n t le v e l jo b as th e 21 s a l e s jo b . T h a t was a p e e r jo b , 22 Q A l l r i g h t . Now, a s G e n e ra l M anager o f 23 M a n u fa c tu rin g f o r M onsanto I n d u s t r i a l C h em icals Company., 24 what a r e your g e n e ra l r e s p o n s i b i l i t i e s ? 25 A W e ll, my g e n e r a l r e s p o n s i b i l i t i e s a r e JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE 1 t Il 1 to provide the o rg an iz atio n to accom plish procurem ent, 2 m a n u fa c tu re an d d i s t r i b u t i o n o f th e p r o d u c ts t h a t MIC j 3 has re s p o n s ib ility fo r m arketing and s e llin g , including _' . 4 th o s e who m ig h t th ro u g h our r e s e a r c h b r i n g on a s new 5 . p ro d u c ts a s w e l l a s th e e x i s t i n g b u s in e s s e s we h ad . 6 t h a t r e s p o n s i b i l i t y , c o v e rs th e b ro a d a r e a s we ta lk e d 7 ab o u t over th e P la n t Managers and th a t th e P la n t Managers 8 has and goes beyond th a t because i t .has th e d is tr ib u tio n , 9 p r o d u c tio n p la n n in g , e t c e t e r a , a s p e c t s . I n my jo b th e r e 10 a r e tw elv e p l a n t s t h a t r e p o r t t o p e o p le who r e p o r t to me, 11 and we have o p e r a t io n s i n a d d i t i o n a l se v e n U, S . p la n ts 12 and f i v e ex-U. S . p l a n t s t h a t w ere r e s p o n s i b l e f o r th e 13 p r o d u c tio n an d th e r e s o u r c i n g th ro u g h o th e r l i n e o r - U g a n iz a tio a s lik e m ine. 15 Q Now, w i t h i n y o u r company do you have 16 a M e d ica l D iv is o a o r a M e d ica l D ir e c to r ? 17 A W ith in MIC? 18 Q Y e s. 19 A No. We have w i t h i n MIC, i f y o u ' r e 20 t a l k i n g a b o u t h e a l t h a s p e c t s f o r em p lo y ees o r my a r e a s o f 21 r e s p o n s i b i l i t y . 22 Q R ig h t. 23 A A guy whors r e a l l y our o r g a n iz a tio n a l 24. guy we c a l l DEO, D i r e c t o r o f E n v iro n m e n ta l O p e r a tio n s , 25 who h as e n v iro n m e n ta l an d i n d u s t r i a l h y g ie n e e x p e r t i s e _ 1 JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE [ 1 J 1 2 ^3 -' . 4 ' 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 * 14 15 15 17 18 9 20 21 22 23 24 . 25 a s a r e s o u r c e w i t h in o u r com pany t o my o r g a n iz a tio n a n d to h e lp our p e o p le in our p la n ts who have th o se k in d o f re s pons i b i l i t i e s , and h e 's a ls o th e c o n ta c t to th e C o rp o rate s tru c tu re . Q Now, is th a t le v e l p o s itio n fo u n d in th e eth er o p e ra tin g co m p an ies o f M onsanto? . A Y es, s i r , Q And who do th o s e p e o p le an sw er to ? A O u r DEO r e p o r t s t o t h e G e n e r a l M a n a g e r o f R e se a rc h an d D ev elo p m en t, who was a p e e r o f m ine. Q Of R e s e a rc h a n d D evelopm ent? A O f R e se a rc h an d D evelopm ent, Q go. to him ? A New, t h a t w o u ld be a l l o f th e D E 0\s We h a v e o n e DEO i n M I C , a n d h e r e p o r t s t o - q In yo u r p a r tic u la r company? A' D r, D em avision o f R e se a rc h an d D evelopm ent. ( p h o n e tic ) , who i s 4. M anager Q F o r MIC? A R ig h t. Q E a c h o f t h e s e o t h e r c o m p a n ie s , MAP, have a sim ila r situ a tio n ? A T h e y h a v e DE.0. q Now, i s th e r e some C o rp o ra te o f f i c e o r p o s i t i o n t h a t 1s o v e r t h e e n t i r e D i r e c t o r o f E n v i r o n m e n t a l . ! JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE I i: 1 Hygiene O peration fo r a l l th ese le v e ls , a C orporate le v e l 2 man? 3 A W ell, th e r e 's C orporate s ta f f which is 4 a n o v e r s i g h t a s w e ll a s a r e s o u r c e . We h av e E n v iro n m e n ta l 5 . O perations s t a f f that?s headed by S enior Vice P re s id e n t, 6 Q Who i s t h a t ? 7 A T h a t' s M onty T h ro d a h l, who i s a S e n io r 8 V ice P r e s id e n t, member o f th e Board , o f D ire c to rs o f 9 M onsanto, an d u n d er him a re o ur D epartm ents o f M edicine 10 an d o u r o th e r e n v ir o n m e n ta l. 11 Q W h a t's h i s t i t l e ? 12 A H e 's a C o rp o ra te S e n io r V ice P r e s i d e n t , 13 And h e 's a l s o , I d o n 't know w h e th e r we c a l l i t D i r e c t o r , 14 o f E n v iro n m e n ta l P o lic y S t a f f . 15 Q And i s t h e r e a l i n e from him to th e 16 DEO's? 17 A T h e r e 's a l i n e to e a c h o f th e D EO 's, 18 And i t ' s th e p o l i c y , th e o v e r s i g h t an d th e in te rc h a n g e 19 l i n e . 20 Q Now, a r e th e s e r e l a t i v e l y new d e v e lo p 21 m ents o r h a s t h i s o r g a n i z a t i o n i n i t s b a s ic form e x i s t e d 22 f o r some p e r i o d o f tim e? 23 A I n term s o f c o n c e p ts , th e y a r e n o t new. 24 In term s o f th e a rra n g e m e n t o f c e r t a i n p eople in jo b s 25 by name an d th e a r e a s o f r e s p o n s i b i l i t y , some o f them a r e JAMES MAY R EPO R TIN G SERVICE 1 changed because of our reorganization ju s t recen tly 2 accom plished. For exam ple, I'm G eneral Manager o f 3 M a n u fa c tu rin g . I'm one o f th e few guys who was and 4 - s t i l l i s i n b a s i c a l l y th e same a r e a , b u t I g o t fo u r 5 p la n ts X d id n 't have before and lo s t two, so to speak, 6 t o some o th e r guy l i k e me, Mr. Pa page o rg e was a DEO 7 i n a n o t h e r o p e r a t in g com pany, an d ha became our DEO 8 in the sh u ffle , so to speak. 9 Q But as fa r as th e b asic concept is 10 c o n c e r n e d , th s e o p e r a t i n g com panies w i t h someone w h o 's 11 th e e q u i v a l e n t o f a DEO an d th e n a n s w e rin g to a C orpo 12 r a t e l e v e l p e rs o n who i s a n e n v i r o n m e n t a l i s t o f s o r t , 13 t h a t c o n c e p t h a s b een i n e x i s t e n c e f o r - 14 I 'm t r y i n g to rem em ber. I t ' s b een in 15 e x i s te n c e , I w ant to s a y , s in c e '7 7 , '7 8 , b u t I d o n 't 16 know i f X can be a c c u r a te on th e h i s t o r i c e v e n t. And 17 c e r t a i n l y t h a t v a s a n o u tg ro w th o f how we w ere g o in g i. 18 a b o u t i t b e f o r e . 19 Q O.K. A re you f a m i l i a r w ith a s u b s ta n c e 20 t h a t has become I d e n t i f i e d in th e p r e s s a s a d io x in ? 21 A Do you mean g e n e r i c a l l y ? 22 Q Y es. 23 A I g u e s s , a b o u t a s f a m il ia r a s youa r e . 24 Q And a r e you lik e w is e f a m i l i a r w ith a 25 p a r t i c u l a r isom er o f i t , l i k e , 2 ,3 ,7 ,8 te tr a c h lo r o d ib e n z o - JAMETS M A Y R E P O R T I N G S E R V I C E (V y\ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 p a ra -d io x in ? A I'm fa m ilia r through w hat I have read and what I have heard, I have not had occasion to be d i r e c t l y in v o lv e d in o p e ra tio n s w here t h a t may have been m an u factu red on a f ir s th a n d b a s is . Q When d id you f i r s t become aw are o f 2 ,3 ,7 ,8 -T C D D ? A Of th e 2,3,7,8-T C D D , I g u ess I ' d have t o s a y , b e s t o f my k n o w led g e, was p r o b a b ly 1981 some tim e , la s t couple of y ears, as a sp e c ific isom er, and I guess I 'v e become more a c q u a in te d w ith th a t d i f f e r e n t i a t i o n over th e time sin c e th en . Q And how. w ere you made aw are o f t h a t ? A See i f I can r e c a l l . My r e c o l l e c t i o n is when th e term " d io x in ," which I had been f a m ilia r w ith b e fo re th a t tim e , was som ething I knew to be a t b e st an u n d esirab le byproduct of c e rta in chem ical operatio n s , I th o u g h t th a t was a s p e c if ic ch em ical; and In some d is c u s s io n -- I r e a l l y c a n 't remember w hat i t was -- I h e a rd someone r e f e r t o TCDD, an d I s a i d , " T te ll me w h at th e e q u a tio n i s o r show me w hat th e o r g a n ic c h e m is tr y i s . " I t was e x p la in e d t h a t was an isom er and th e one t h a t had had some bad la b o r a to r y e x p e rie n c e w ith la b o r a to r y a n im a ls . From t h a t tim e on I g o t i n t e r e s t e d in w hat t h a t was to th e e x te n t I was n o t a c a s u a l o b se rv e r b u t n o t d i r e c t l y JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE V, involved observer, and I s ta rte d learn in g about the d i f f e r e n c e ; b u t I c a n 't remember why o r how e x c e p t th a t th e re was a re fe re n c e to i t . Q And a t t h a t tim e i s t h a t when you b e came aware th a t th e d ioxin you had heard ab o u t was In f a c t th e 2 , 3 , 7 , 8 - TCDD? A Because I had heard about d io x in b efo re by read in g about Seveso, I ta ly , is the f i r s t tim e I heard th e te rm m en tio n ed . And p ro b a b ly r e f e r e n c e was made to th e S p e c ific isom er th an , h u t I d id n ' t r e c a l l i t and i t w a s n 't Im p o rta n t to me. Q The f i r s t tim e you became f a m ilia r w ith th e term " d io x in " would have been a b o u t when? A Whenever I r e a d i t in some news an d in a p e rio d ic a l a r tic le follow ing the event over in I ta ly . I c a n 't remember when th a t w as. I t m ight have been i n th e la te to m id -'7 0 's . Sane fiv e y ears ago. Q New, from th e tim e you f i r s t h ad occasion to read about i t , has your company provided you w ith any in fo rm atio n ab o u t d io x in and i t s e f f e c t s on humans o r your em ployees? A My company h as p ro v id e d me w i t h som e, I must sa y , lim ite d in fo rm atio n because th e re is a whole lo t of in fo rm atio n th a t's n o n -sp e c ific in term s o f what I'v e read , and a lo t of th a t's clip p in g s and so fo rth . JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE -------- ;--f~t--7----i 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 10 n 12 (f \) ' 13 14 15 1 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 q What has your company to ld you? MR. LOVE: I 'm g o in g to a s k y o u , i f you can, to d ir e c t your q u estio n s in term s o f s p e c ific time p e rio d s. Q (By Mr. C a lw e ll) W e ll, In th e m d - ' 7 0 ' s I th in k you f i r s t heard about d io x in . Since th a t tim e. A T h a t was on my own. q to ld you? Since th a t tim e w hat has your company A My company h a s n 't t o l d me a n y th in g s p e c ific a lly o th er than to provide a r tic le s of inform ation an d p u b l i c a t i o n s . My company h a s , i n d i v i d u a l s i n my com- pany, has resp o n d ed to q u e s tio n s I may have a sk e d a b o u t what are the fa c ts about th resh o ld le v e ls , e t c e te ra . q You s a y t h r e s h o l d l e v e l ? A What can em ployees be exposed t o , w hat sources of th is chem ical m ight e x is t anywhere in our a. o p e ra tio n s because one m ight say i f you combine c h lo rin e and c y c lic a l o rg an ic compound you co u ld p o s s ib ly -- q Throw o f f? A T h p t's too b ig a g e n e ra liz a tio n . q you asked? These a r e some o f th e k in d s o f q u e s tio n s A Sure. q Who d id you a s k th o s e q u e s tio n s o f? - ]! J A M E S M A Y R E P O R T I N G S E R V h C E 2C 1 n 1 A Of some o f my a s s o c i a t e s , l i k e , D r. 2 C a l l i s , who was my DEO, l i k e , sense o f o u r p e o p le who `3 work fo r him , and i t w a s n 't n e c e s s a r ily a p u r s u it o f 4 k n o w led g e. I t was t o h e lp me u n d e r s ta n d in g e n e r a l 5 o r so m eth in g s p e c i f i c when I la d a q u e s tio n ; Where 6 m ig h t we have a n y problem s l i k e t h i s a n d w hat a r e th e 7 f a c t s a b o u t, w hat a r e th e s a f e t y l i m i t s , t e l l me w h at 8 somebody c a n be e x p o sed t o an d how ye can m easure i t . 9 R e a lly th e bottom lin e o f th e in fo rm a tio n I h?d was 10 t h a t we know t h a t we d o n 't w an t to ta k e a ch an ce o f 11 h a v in g anybody e x p o se d t o d io x in a t a n y p o s s i b le l e v e l 12 we can m easure b e c a u se we d o n 't know i f th e r e a r e lo n g - 13 te rm e f f e c t s o r n o t . E v e r y th in g we know up t o now s a y s I U th e r e a r e no e f f e c t s on th e lo n g -te rm f o r hum ans, th e r e 15 a r e a c u te e f f e c t s o f a c n e , w h ich I had o b se rv e d on some 16 p e o p le a t N i t r o , f o r exam ple. 17 Q L e t me b a c k up a m in u te . When you 18 a s k e d th e s e q u e s t i o n s , w h at w ere you t o l d ? 19 20 ' 21 22 23 24 25 A I th in k th a t's kind of a general q u estio n . E v e ry one was a s e p a r a te q u e s tio n . Q W ell, when you ask ed a b o u t p o t e n t i a l h e a lth e f f e c ts , adverse h e a lth e f f e c ts , what were you to ld ? A We know t h a t e x p o su re t o a number o f c h l o r i n a t e d p h e n o lic com pounds, in c lu d in g , we t h i n k , 2 ,3 ,7 ,8 or the dioxins in g en eral cause ch lo ra cn e, and j JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE S! 2: *' * 1! 1 ------------------------------------------------------ i t ' s been o b se rv e d in in d iv id u a ls a ro u n d th e w o rld and 2 in o u r e m p lo y , n um ber o n e . N um ber tw o , to o u r k n o w led g e ' -3 th e re have b een n o o th e r d e te rm in e d h e a lth e f f e c ts . 4 I. w as to ld a t o ne tim e we h a d a t e s t t h a t D r, S u s k in d - - 5 .w a s d o in g to t r y a n d d e te r m in e w h e th e r t h e r e a r e m o r t a l i t y 6 o r m o rb id ity e f f e c ts o f th e r e s u l t o f a n y e x p o su re s th a t 7 m ig h t have o c c u rre d a t N itro . ^. V' 8 9 10 n 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 . 25 Q Who w as th e s o u r c e o f t h i s in f o r m a tio n ? A D r. C a llis , a n d - th is w as in c o n v e rs a tio n . Q D id you a s c e r t a i n w hen M o n sa n to knew a b o u t th e s e h e a lth e f f e c ts o r w hen D r. C a llis knew ? MR. LOVE: S t u a r t , 1 o b j e c t to th e fo rm o f th e q u e s tio n . You h a v e n ' t s p e c if ie d w h at h e a l t h e f f e c t s y o u 'r e t a l k i n g a b o u t. You ta lk in g a b o u t c h io ra c n e ? Q (B y M r. C a lw e ll) W e ll, w h a t h e s a i d . A L e t me u n d e r s ta n d y o u r q u e s tio n a g a in . Q W e ll, you in q u ir e d , a p p a r e n tly , o f a c o u p le o f th e s e g en tle m e n a b o u t c e r ta in a s p e c ts o f d io x in . One o f th o s e a s p e c ts w as a d v e rs e h e a lth e f f e c t s , a n d you w ere to ld th a t, w e ll, one o f th e s e d io x in s o r som e o f th em c a u s e c h io ra c n e ? A And I w as a ls o to ld t h a t c e r t a i n o th e r c h lo r in a te d c h e m ic a ls -- Q -- c a n do t h a t . W ere y o u a b le to jl JAM ES MAY REPORTING SERVICE j 22 ' > 1 a s c e r t a i n when i t was d eterm in ed t h a t c h lo ra c n e co u ld 2 be caused by these dioxins? 3 A No. You mean i n te rm s o f when we 4 found out th a t i t caused th at? 5 Q R ight. A No, I never asked th e q u e s tio n , I g u ess. 7 Q Bid you le a rn through j u s t g e n e ra l 8 in q u irie s in read in g th a t you a p p a re n tly do? 9 A W e ll, I 've le a r n e d th ro u g h my a s s o c i a - 10 t l o n o v e r tim e t h a t we had e x p e r ie n c e d a t N i t r o , w h ic h n X became, f a m ilia r w ith because o f an a s s o c ia tio n th e r e , 12 t h a t some o f ou r em ployees t h a t w orked in c e r t a i n u n i t s 13 s u f f e r e d from a c h lo ra c n e c o n d i tio n b a c k o v e r some y e a rs W 14 past.. 15 Q Were you a b l e t o d e te rm in e th r o u g h T t h a t i n q u i r y o r i n v e s t i g a t i o n a s t o w h e n .i t was d e t e r - .17 m ined t h a t th e c h lo r a c n e e x p e rie n c e d a t N i t r o was c a u s e d JL 18 by d io x in ? 19 20 * 21 22 23 j 24 25 ! i A I n e v e r d id knew w h e th e r i t was by dioxin or n o t. I m ight assume th a t because of th e . s u g g e s tio n t h a t w hatever was r e le a s e d , q u o te , d io x in in S ev eso c a u se d t h i s , b u t i t was w hat we w ere d o in g i n our u n it w hich a t th a t time had been making 2 ,4 ,5 -T . (J So you s t i l l d o n ' t know w h e th e r ch lo racn e a t N itro w as'caused by d io x in or not? JAMES MAY R EPORTING SERVICE n T ^ r v\ 1 A No. S p e c if ic a lly , no, 1 don' t know. 2 Q Is th e re anyone in your company th a t you know o f t h a t knows? 4 A I don't know. 5 Q Have you a s k e d ? 6 A No, not th a t s p e c ific q u estio n . 7 Q Now, you s a i d you o b se rv e d soma c h lo ra c n e 8 in N itro em ployees? 9 A Yes. 10 Q When d id you do t h a t ? 11 A F i r s t tim e e v e r was 1969 when I 12 happened to be a v i s i t o r t h e r e w ith no r e l a t i o n s h i p 13 to w hat was b e in g done a t t h a t p l a n t , b u t i t was p o in te d o u t t h a t some o f th e people w ere h av in g d i f f i c u l t y . 15 Q What was b e in g done a t th e p l a n t ? 16 A What do you mean? I was g o in g to a 17 m an u fa ctu rin g m eetin g o f p e o p le from th e v a rio u s p la n ts 18 a ro u n d th e c o u n tr y , a n d N i t r o h o s te d i t an d we w ere g iv e n 19 a to u r o f th e l a n t . One o f my a s s o c i a t e s p o in te d o u t 20 t h a t t h a t guy h a s c h lo r a c n e . - I s a i d , l e t me s e e i t . 21 Q And t h a t was a b o u t i n 1969 an d you w ere 22 a t th e N i t r o p l a n t , r i g h t ? 23 ! ii 24 1; 25 i i A Yeah. For ab o u t a h a lf a day. Q In what c o n n e ctio n was the c h lo ra cn e b ro u g h t up an d how d id t h a t become a p a r t o f th e c c a v e r s a t i c i j , JAMES MAY REPO RTING SERVICE 1` ! 2i 1 i f you r e c a ll? 2 A As we w ere to u r l a g , a number o f us w ere 3 to u rin g through a u n it, our h o st, one of the fe llo w s, 4 one o f our m an u fa ctu rin g a s s o c ia te s , p o in te d o u t t h a t 5 some o f th e guys had been h av in g d i f f i c u l t y w ith g e ttin g 6 a rash , and they ca lle d i t chloracne, as I re c a ll then, 7 from th e d u s t , some o f th e d u s t a ro u n d th e u n i t . 8 Q I t was t h a t 2 ,4 ,5 - T u n it? 9 A My r e c o l l e c t i o n was t h a t was th e T u n i t . 10 Q And i t was a t t h a t tim e t h a t you w ere 11 a b l e t o o b s e rv e t h i s c o n d i tio n on a w o rk e r th e r e ? 12 A Oa a w o rk e r. I was t o l d t h a t some o f 13 them w ere s u s c e p t i b l e a n d some w e r e n 't a n d th e y w ere 14 t r y i n g t o c a k e s u r e t h a t p e o p le a r e n ' t e x p o sed t o d u s t , 15 b u t some guys h ad a r e a l p ro b le m , t h e y 'd w alk i n a n d 16 b re a k o u t , some d i d n ' t h av e a n y p ro b le m .. T h at en d ed 17 my in v o lv e m e n t o r i n t e r e s t a t t h a t tim e . I t was j u s t 18 an o b s e r v a t i o n . 19 Q Was i t d u s ty when you w ere in t h e r e ? 20 -A As I can r e c a l l , n o , b u t I c a n 't , t a l l 21 you t h a t th e u n i t was ru n n in g o r n o t a t th e tim e . They 22 may have b een down, I d o n 't know. I t w a s n 't d u s ty , t h a t 23 I r e c a l l , b u t, J e s u s , t h a t 's been a lo n g tim e ag o . 24. Q The w o rk er was a t t h e - u n it when you 25 saw him? i!l J A M E S M A Y R E P O R T I N G S E R V I C E 2. 1 Yes. 2 Q Did you se e c h lo ra c n e on someone sub 3 sequent to th a t tim e? 4 A Yes. 5 Q And when d id t h a t happen? A On o th e r v i s i t s t o N i t r o s in c e I 7 have been G en eral M anager o f M an u factu rin g . I t was 8 pointed out th a t I talk ed to a gentlem an, I c a n 't r e 9 member h is nam e, who th e y s a id had had a c a se o f 10 c h lo r a c n e f o r many y e a r s . 11 Q And t h a t w ould have b een some tim e i n 12 1980 o r t h e r e a f t e r ? 13 A '8 0 , y e s . 14 Q You d l d n 't have o c c a s io n to goback 15 t o N i t r o u n t i l you became G e n e ra l M anager o f M a n u fa c tu rin g 16 f o r M onsanto I n d u s t r i a l C hem icals? 17 A T h a t 's my r e c o l l e c t i o n . I w an t t o s a y 4. 18 I w en t b a c k t o some t r a i n i n g s e s s i o n th e r e b u t d i d n ' t 19 ev en go o u t i n th e p l a n t , b u t I c a n 't rem em ber f o r s u r e . 20 P r i o r t o 1980. 21 Q O.K. I w ant to hand you w h a t's b een 22 m arked a s P l a i n t i f f s ' E x h i b i t #124 (M onsanto i d e n t i f i c a t i o n 23 number 8 3 2 4 1 7 0 ), and a s k you to ta k e a lo o k a t t h a t , i f . 24 you w ould. 25 A l l r i g h t . Mr. B oesch, you have had an JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE 26 1 o p p o rtu n ity to examine P l a i n t i f f s ' E x h ib it #124, have 2 you not? 3 A Yes, I have. 4 Q And co u ld you id e n tif y t h a t , p le a s e , . 5 . fo r the record* 6 A P l a i n t i f f s ' E x h ib it 124 is a M onsanto 7 i n t e r n a l memorandum from C la y to n C a l l i s to a number o f 3 p eo p le l i s t e d a s p r e s e n t and a d d re s s e e s . The s u b je c t 9 was th e N itr o H e a lth S tudy Task F o rc e , M inutes o f 10 M e e tin g November 2 1 , 1980. I t l i s t s a number o f i s s u e s 11 t h a t a p p a r e n t l y w ere d i s c u s s e d , and I 'm shown a s a 12 c a rb o n e e . 13 Q A ll r i g h t . Thank you. What i s th e 14 N itr o H e a lth S tu d y Task F orce? 15 A The N itr o H e a lth S tudy Thsk F o rce 16 h a s b ee n s in c e I have become f a m i l i a r w ith i t a com 17 m itte e o f th e v a rio u s d i s c i p l i n e s t h a t needed to d e a l 18 w i t h m aking s u r e we w ere u n d e r s ta n d in g and s h a r i n g th e 19 in fo rm atio n we had a b o u t th e N i t r o h e a l t h s i t u a t i o n i n 20 g e n e ra l, th e h i s t o r i c a l as w e ll as the c u r r e n t, and to 21 d e a l w ith m aking s u r e we made p ro p e r r e p r e s e n t a t i o n s 22 o f o u r s e lv e s a n d w hat we knew t o our em ployees a n d t o 23 24 25 I'i the o u tsid e w orld. Q New, i s th e N itr o H e a lth S tu d y Task Force s t i l l in e x iste n c e ? JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE > 1 r 1 MR* LOVE: O b je c t to th e form o f .the 2 q u e s tio n . Go ah e ad a n d a n sw e r. -; 3 A I cannot say for sure, although, I .' . 4 b e lie v e i t is w ith somewhat d if f e r e n t membership. S . Since the re o rg a n iz a tio n the N itro P la n t re s p o n s ib ility 6 is in an o th er o p eratin g company. I would say 1 th in k so , 7 b u t I'm n o t su re . 8 Q (By M r.C a lw e ll) A t th e tim e o f t h i s memorandum d e s i g - 9 n a te d P l a i n t i f f s 1 E x h ib it 124, were you a member o f th e 10 N itr o H e a lth S tu d y Task F o rce? n A No, s i r . 12 Q Why w ould you be r e c e i v i n g c o p ie s 13 o f th e m in u tes o f th e N itr o H e a lth S tu d y T ask F o rc e ? 14 A I was a t t h i s tim e a one-m onth G e n e ra l 15 M anager o f M a n u fa c tu rin g e n d e a v o rin g t o o r g a n iz e a 16 M a n u fa c tu rin g D iv is io n in a n o p e r a t in g company t h a t 17 d id n o t have s p e c i f i c a l l y a m a n u f a c tu r in g - o r ie n te d A 18 d i v i s i o n . I t was m a n u fa c tu rin g management was s p l i t 19 I n to th e d i f f e r e n t b u s in e s s u n i t s , a n d w ith th e p l a n t 20 r e s p o n s ib ility I had I'm sure th a t a u th o r f e l t lik e I 21 need ed to g e t up to sp eed on th a t goes a t N i t r o . 22 Q And t h a t w ould be C la y to n C a l l i s , th e 23 j a u th o r ? i, 24. |. A Yes. Who was a DEO a t t h a t tim e . ! ' 25 j, V q Was t h a t y o u r o n ly c o n n e c tio n w ith th e JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE - 28 1 'W 1 il * 7 N itro H ealth Study Task F orce, a re c e iv e r of copies o f 2 the m inutes? 3 A No. . 4 Q What ether c o n n e c tio n d id you have w ith i t ? 5 A 1 atten d ed one m eeting. I don' t re member when. E a r ly in th e game. P ro b a b ly some t i n e in 7 e a r l y *81, b u t my in v o lv e m e n t was t o i n f l u e n c e , to s u g g e s t 8 a re a s fo r fo cu s, to encourage us to .get on w ith an y th in g 9 t h a t we i d e n t i f i e d a s so m e th in g we n e e d e d to pay a t t e n - 70 tio n to and to r e s o lv e an y is s u e s t h a t were up in th e 77 72 73 U 75 76 77 78 79 20 27 22 23 | 24 25 a i r . The m a n u fa c tu rin g p e rso n who h as s e rv e d on i t , in f a c t , two o f them r t i l l a s t December when we r e - o rg a n iz e d , r e p o r te d to me. Q On1 page 2 of. t h a t e x h i b i t t h e r e i s a re fe re n c e to a Dr. Fine under a p arag rap h designated " N itro - sa m in e ." Do you know who t h a t g e n tle m a n i s ? 1A 'Q No, I do n o t. What a r e n itro sa m in e s? A You may e m b a rra ss me a b o u t my l a c k o f organic chem ical e x p e rtise , b u t n itro sam in es a re organic ch e m ic als o f a c e r t a i n c o n f ig u r a tio n , an isom er o f some s o r t , an d , I*m s o r r y , I r e a l l y c a n ' t e x p la in th e c h e m is try o f i t , th a t show up a s b y p ro d u cts or you can make i t , b ut in c e rta in byproducts o f c e rta in o th er chem ical r e a c t i o n s . N itro sa m in e s have some s u s p e c te d h e a lth p ro b lem s,> ti jj J A M E S M A Y R E P O R T I N G S E R V I C E 2[ Q And i s I t s u s p e c te d t h a t th e y a r e produced a s a b y p ro d u ct o f some p ro c e s s a t th e N itr o P la n t? A We h ad a c o n c e rn t h a t i t p o s s i b l y c o u ld be a p ro d u c t in one o f th e s te p s o f th e S u lfa s a n R p ro c e s s , a m a n u fe c tu re d r u b b e r *ch em ical,- a n d I th i n k t h a t ^ a s th e d e s i r e , to make s u r e we d id n ' t h av e a n y q u a n t i t y o f t h a t product being a byproduct, Q I g uess I t ' s o b v io u s why I t ' s in c lu d e d in the N itro H ealth Study Task Force? 10 A Yes; * n q Do you know i f S u lf a s a n R was s t i l l 12 b e in g p ro d u ced a t th e tim e o f t h i s memo? 13 A Yes. 14 q And I assum e I t s t i l l i s ? 15 A Yes. l Q On page 1 o f E x h i b i t 124 t h e r e i s a 17 .p a ra g ra p h c a p tio n e d "A ccess to M e d ic a l R e c o rd s ," i t ' s 18 th e l a s t p a ra g ra p h on th e p a g e , a n d i t r e a d s : "T h e re 19 has been no em ployee re s p o n s e to d a te a s a r e s u l t o f 20 th e new r e g u la tio n s on a c c e s s to m e d ic a l an d ex p o su re 21 r e c o r d s ." Do you know w hat t h a t i s a b o u t? 22 A 1 d o n 't know e x a c t l y w hat t h a t was 23 a b o u t . 1 m ig h t c o n j e c t u r e i n r e t r o s p e c t b e c a u s e we know* 24 we w ere in a p ro c e s s o f o v e r a tim e t o ex p an d our d a ta 25 b ase l i k e many com panies w e re . B ecause we w ere d o in g t h a t JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 1 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 2* ! 25 a n d c e r t a i n r e g u l a t i o n s com ing o u t i n W a sh in g to n , we w ere w a n tin g to make s u r e t h a t we s a fe g u a r d e d th e p riv a te in fo rm atio n o f our em ployees and our company b u t com plied w ith the law. Q O.K.' I w an t to hand you w h a t' s b een marked P la in tif f s * D ep o sitio n E x h ib it #125 (Monsanto id e n tif ic a tio n number 8324373), and a sk you th a t you take a m inute and look th a t over. MR. LOVE:' S t u a r t , b e f o r e you b e g in on th is , I'm going to o b je c t to the use of th is document in q u estio n in g of th is w itness because it* s d ated A ugust 5 th of 1981, which i s some f i v e m onths a f t e r th e f i l i n g o f th e i n i t i a l c o m p la in t in th e s e a c tio n s . And a s you a n d I hav e d i s c u s s e d b e f o r e , we n eed t o a r r i v e a t some s o r t o f a tim e fram e we a r e d e a lin g w ith i n t h i s c a s e , and I*m g o in g to o b ject to i t fo r purposes o f the reco rd . I f you w ant to p u rsu e i t , go ah ead and p u rsu e i t , b u t we n ee d t o e s t a b l i s h t h a t . And i f we c a n 11 do i t on a v o l u n t a r y b a s i s , I 'm going to ask the C ourt to do i t fo r u s. Q (By Mr. C a lw e ll) Now, y o u 'v e h ad a n o p p o rtu n ity to look a t th at? A Yes. Ii! 3 JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE 1 Q Could you id e n tif y th a t fo r th e re c o rd , 2 please. 3 A I t 1s a ' memorandum from D r. C la y to n 4 C a llis to m y se lf d a te d A ugust 5 th , 1981, where he was ' 5 a d v i s in g me o f a p r o p o s a l to re s p o n d to a NIQSR v in q u ir y v ,,, r e la tiv e to the h e a lth re c o rd s, I assum e, the h e a lth 7 re c o rd s o f em p lo y ees, a t some o f our p l a n t s , one o f 8 w h ich was a p l a n t f o r w hich I was r e s p o n s i b le , 9 Q Would t h a t in c lu d e th e N itro P la n t? 10 A Y e s . n Q Were you re s p o n s ib le f o r th e a p p a re n t 12 p e n c i l n o t a t i o n on th e u p p e r r i g h t c o r n e r o f E x h i b i t 125? 13 A Y es, s i r , I w as, 14 Q And why w ere you co n c ern ed a b o u t em 15 p lo y e e s f i n d i n g o u t t h a t th e y may be in c lu d e d in t h a t 1 c o h o r t? ;f 17 A I p e r s o n a l l y t h i n k a n em ployee sh o u ld i. 18 know when p e o p le a r e lo o k in g a t h i s work o r r e c o r d s a b o u t 19 him o r h i s p e r s o n a l in f o rm a tio n o r h e a l t h . 20 Q Do you know i f em ployees w ere i n f a c t 21 n o t i f i e d ? 22 A I u n d erstan d th a t th e em ployees, i t ' s r 23 my r e c o l l e c t i o n from t h a t , t h a t th e em ployees w ere in fo rm ed 24 o f w h at th e NIOSH s tu d y was a b o u t and t h a t th e y w ould be 25 in v o lv e d . I'm n o t su re w h eth er th e y were a d v is e d JA M ES MAY R EPORTING SERVICE 1 . 2 J- ` , 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 n 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 - 23 24 25 i n d i v i d u a l l y o r a s a group t h a t some o r a l l w ould b e. Q A ll r ig h t, I want to hand you w h at's been marked P l a i n t i f f s ' E x h ib it #126 (Monsanto i d e n t i f i - c a tio n number 8324389). MR. LOVE: I would n o te th e same ob- - j e c t i o n to P l a i n t i f f s ' D e p o s itio n E x h ib it ?>126 a s was noted w ith re g a rd to P l a i n t i f f s ' Depo- s itio n E xhibit #125. A I'v e read i t . Q (By Mr. C a lw e ll) Could you i d e n t i f y th a t fo r the reco rd , p lease. A Y es. I t ' s a memorandum t h a t was a u th o re d by m y self to D r. C lay to n C a l l i s and Mr. V ince M a tte u c c i on F e b ru a ry 10, 1982, and I t was w ith r e f e r e n c e to th e a n tic ip a te d d is c lo s u re of the r e s u lts of Dr. S u sk in d 's s tu d y by D r. S u s k in d , And in t h i s memo I a tte m p te d t o s e t down some c o n d itio n s f o r com m unication t h a t I th o u g h t tL we s h o u ld a l l to u c h b a s e on and sh o u ld be conform ed t o or I should be n o tifie d otherw ise. Q In your mind d id th is Suskind stu d y have some r e l a t i o n s h i p to th e N itr o l i t i g a t i o n ? A I n my m ind, my company was b e in g su e d . Some o f ray em ployees and fo rm e r em ployees w ere b e in g sw ept up in to a q u e s tio n as to t h e i r h e a lth , e t c e t e r a , and a n y th in g we m ig h t have a s in f o rm a tio n I th o u g h t n eeded i | JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE tj 33 1 o b s e r v a tio n and c o u n s e lin g b e fo re we com m unicated to 2 em ployees o th erw ise by c o u n se l, I th in k it* s j u s t good 3 sm art p ra c tic e , e s p e c ia lly in th is day and tim e. 4 q You w ere th e a u th o r o f t h i s memo, r i g h t ? 5 A Yes, I was. 6 Q Is th a t your signature th at appears 7 on page 2? 8 A Y es, s i r -- No, i t ?s n o t. 9 Q I t was sig n e d f o r you? 10 A I lo o k e d a t i t a g a in . I t was s ig n e d U f o r me. I t was s ig n e d f o r me by my s e c r e t a r y . 12 Q What i s y o u r s e c r e ta r y * s . name? 13 A M rs. E I c k o t t s ( p h o n e tic ) . 14 . Q 15 a u t h o r i t y ? She sig n ed th a t , of c o u rse , w ith your 16 A Y es, she d id . I'm su re I w ro te t h i s 17 memo b e c a u se I was le a v in g tow n. L 18 Q L e t me hand you w hat*s been marked 19 P l a i n t i f f s 1 E x h i b i t #127 (M onsanto i d e n t i f i c a t i o n number 20 832^ 396). 21 MR. LOVE; Same o b je c ti o n to t h i s e x h i b i t 22 a s to 126 and 125. 23 Q (By M r. C a lw e ll) Mr. 3 o esch , you have 24 had an o p p o rtu n ity to examine E x h ib it 127, have you n o t? 25 A Y es, I h a v e . JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE 1 1 Q Would you p le a s e i d e n t i f y t h a t f o r th e 2 record. 3 A I t ' s a memorandum on i n t e r n a l M onsanto . 4 S t a t i o n e r y a u th o re d by Dan R. B ish o p . I t w ent to a b ig 5 . l i s t of ad d ressees. I received a carbon copy, and the - 6 s u b j e c t o f th e memo i s to s u g g e s t t h a t D r, S u sk in d was 7 read y to p u b lis h or r e v e a l h is w ork, and Mr. B ishop, 8 who' s a P .R . guy, was s u g g e s tin g how th e in f o r m a tio n 9 sh o u ld be p assed on or r e le a s e d . 10 Q A l l r i g h t . Thank y o u , Mr, B o esch . n L e t me a s k you t h i s , now, d u r in g th e 12 p e r io d o f tim e t h a t you w ere on a t l e a s t th e m a ilin g 13 l i s t o f th e N itr o H e a lth S tu d y T ask F o rc e an d w h a te v e r u other re la tio n s h ip you had w ith i t , did the s u b je c t of 15 d io x in come up in c o n n e c tio n w ith t h a t u n d e r ta k in g ? 16 A I 'd l i k e you to r e p e a t th e q u e s tio n 17 b ecau se I was th in k in g in term s o f t h a t and I th o u g h t 18 y o u r q u e s tio n was in r e f e r e n c e to t h i s . 19 MR. CALW2LL: C ould you re a d t h a t b a c k , 20 p le a s e . 21 (Whereupon th e r e p o r t e r re a d b ac k th e 22 p re c e d in g q u e s tio n .) # 23 A I d o n 't know how to s p e c i f i c a l l y an sw er 24 your q u e s tio n . To say t h a t s u b j e c t n e v e r came up w o u ld n ! t 25 be a p p r o p r i a t e , b u t w ith r e s p e c t to th e u n d e r ta k in g , q u o te -- JAMES m a y REPORTING SERVICE 3! y* V It 1 Q (By Mr. C a lw e ll) W e ll, w ith r e s p e c t 2 to the Suskind study a t N itro , fo r exam ple. 3 A I guess w ith r e f e r e n c e to some o f th e i4 c o n v e r s a tio n a s th e S u sk in d s tu d y came o u t. Some r e l a ^ - 5 tionship th ere, yes. .6 Q What w ould t h a t d i s c u s s i o n have been? 7 A To th e e x te n t th e re w a s n 't any lo n g 8 term h e a l t h e f f e c t s due t o e x p o s u r e f- p o s s i b le , e x p o s u re 9 to dioxin in the p a s t, b a s ic a lly D r. S u sk in d 's study did 10 n o t r e v e a l a n y d i f f e r e n t m o r t a l i t y r a t e o r o th e r h e a l t h 11 e f f e c t o th e r th a n c h lo ra c n e w h ich i t was th o u g h t c o u ld 12 be cau sed by d i o x i n , among o th e r c h l o r i n a t e d p h e n o ls . 13 Q Did you se e a copy o f D r. S u s k in d 's 14 s tu d y ? 15 A I 'v e n o t s e e n a co p y o f D r, S u s k in d 's l study. 17 Q Have you seen an y o th e r s t u d i e s t h a t i. 18 D r. S u sk in d may have done o r p erfo rm e d on th e N i t r o w o rk e rs? 19 A No. I h av e had a p r e s e n t a t i o n o f a 20 summary a n a l y s i s o f D r. S u s k in d 's stu d y , b u t I have n o t 21 r e a d o n e . 22 MR. CALWELL: O.K. Thank y ou, M r. B oesch. 23 ` 24. ^j 25 Lloyd J, Boesch JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE 1 STATS of ILLINOIS ) ) ss. 2 COUNTY OF MADISON ) 3 4 I , M, JOY SPRINGER, a N o ta ry P u b l i c , d u ly 5 commissioned and q u a lifie d in and fo r th e County of M adison, S ta te of I l l i n o i s , do hereb y c e r t i f y th a t 7 p u r s u a n t to n o t i c e came b e f o r e me on th e 2 1 s t day o f 8 Ju n e , 1983, a t th e H ad iss on H o te l , P ik e Room, 9 th S t r e e t 9 and C o n v en tio n P la z a , S t . L o u is , M is s o u r i, LLOYD J . 10 BGESCH, who was by me d u ly sw orn to t e s t i f y t o th e 11 t r u t h and n o th in g b u t th e t r u t h o f h i s know ledge to u c h 12 ing and concerning the n a tte rs in co n tro v ersy , in th is 13 c a s e ; , t h a t h e was th e re u p o n c a r e f u l l y exam in ed upon o a th , 14 and h is e x a m in a tio n re d u c e d t o w r i t i n g u n d e r my s u p e r 15 v i s i o n ; t h a t th e d e p o s i t i o n i s a t r u e r e c o r d o f th e l testim ony given by the w itn e ss; and sig n a tu re of the 17 w itness was n o t w aived. 18 I FURTHER CERTIFY t h a t I am n e i th e r , 19 a tto rn e y nor co u n sel f o r no r r e la te d to n o r employed 20 by and of the p a rtie s to the a c tio n in which th is depo 21 s i t i o n i s ta k e n ; an d f u r t h e r , t h a t I am n o t a r e l a t i v e 22 or employee o f any a tto rn e y o r c o u n se l employed by th e 23 p artie s h ereto , or fin a n c ia lly in te re s te d in the 24 a c tio n , 25 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have h e r e u n to s e t my JAMES MAY REPO R TIN G SERVICE I i 2 y <. 3 hand and a f f ix e d ay n o t a r i a l s e a l on th is day of 1983. 5 6 N otary P ublic w ith in and fo r the 7 County of M adison, S ta te of I l l i n o i s , 8 9 10 n 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE