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p- M , i K- CECIL K Z C f-. T. UCS1 P' Q ^ p sU ^ n^ _ p . JU + a f rp ^ S^ u ^ A % ii C LAIifrO . 12943-162 t DUPLICATE) T 9418286 pfrtT. ccaHISGHiM/ V rc'lfTf1IT crai PAKT % CLAII? SO 1 3 - 1 6 2 (H P L IU T ) i 9418286 I 2iI TI T ESSISt Taitaano, Dr I * O ' D t l l , Dr. Richard T StttCDftDtfl ippitraseii Rapo;tar'a Cartifle t t a PIGS ROSI 16 - 42 3-16 43 t '' 44 9418287 -s- Ce#ll Cranlngbam TI, bopsto Chtale#! Coartar C h i f l i i t e B i W# T i , Jan# 291 1961 C i t i I o . 12943-162 T b i# eia l a caca eo g i l t e b# baard oa t b i # 2Stb day of Juna, 196f at tba a f f l o # ef tba Coa misi los r f la t b # C i t y e f Char lest on l u i i b i Couaty pnrsuaat te a e t l e # daly g i r o s by t b # Coa a l i a l a : #r te asd r a c i l n l by a l l I n t a r a i t a d p a r t i #. APFEIEUCES Por tb# C o a a lfilo B o r I . J. Cutarbary liq . , T r i a l f x a &l s a r Tot t b # C la lm a st , By c o r n ia l Jama G. J a t e r , Jr. s e .t Attornay at La, CharliitaD, Vait Virginia, Por t b # a p lo y a r # Ey conni a l Peni V, Bovi, E iq ., itto n a y at La. Charliaton, Vast Tlrglfila, 7^ 9418288 Dr. - Crasa -3- Tharaspn casa DR* RICHARD V* O*DELL, a lto a sa of la f u l aga c a lla d f o r tha psrposa of oreas axaslsatloD pos ta a tia o sp h aratofo ra g iro s h i r t l s , ho, c it a r haras haca f l r a t dolp n o n aceord isg to l a , t a a t lf la d aa fo lio : Bp )Lt . J e t r . CEOSS SXAlIHATIOS t * Q, - Dr. O * D a l, r a fa r r ls g to paga 64 e f tha h e a r ls g beld os A pp il 13, 1956, pos s ta ta d th a t fro a posr axaalaatlos aod tha raad isg of Dr. Hastxass' s raport that pos foosd so parsasaot p a r tla l d la a b llltp to tha e la la aat aa r e s s lt of hia axpoasra to c h a a le a l* a t len acto C h ta le a l Cojspaspj o pos haT# that tafore pos? A - That l a s o t oa paga 64. Q - 64 aad 66? A - Taa, a lr , that'a eorraet. Q - J I t h ra ffra se a to a skis d la a h ilit p , pos ara s o t TT 941828 Dr. O'Dell - Croea.' paaalag od that* or in elw d lag th a t? I - Ko, air* I ' l l biT i to r e tr a it w? atatanaot la t u t vanner* leeaiaa la 17 ova alad 1 u eojiTlaead th .it the skia cco d ltloa la r i l l t d to the ohesieal azpoaara* I fouad ao othar hodily van lfe atatlo n a or organle la t t a t a that I an able to r a la ta to tha eh aaieal oxpoanre* H - I d t h a t eonaaetion, any carrea laordara or pajehologleal e ffe e ta which tha expoeure had oa tha o l a l s a a t 700 did aot l a t e a d to laclada that* either* la jonr atatasoat t h a t thara vaa do permanent p a r t i a l la ahllitjr? 1 - I hart ao way of knowing t h a t thara vara any aorrona dlaordara or p ayeholo-leal chan*at eondary to the ehenieal exposure. Q " A * I t your e f f o r t to connect np tha dlaordara of t h l a e l a i s a s t i l t h tha a rp oa ur aT A - I t v aaf I f thara vai anything te ha fo o a d , a d I 9418290 Dr. O'Dall Creft 5 aight t t i t i at tU f t i n tit etlly f r o i a fin io c ia l staodpol&t i t toald ac to a lI 7 ba to mj adraataga to f i a d osa.* thlag rong ith tha* an, baeaasa hila lonias t e u k i d oa to go orar thaa f o r tham to aaa * a t I could f i a d , I do a trssaadoui aooo&t of ork f r o a t b i i a r t a , ioelodlog a a s j of t h e i i bs # r a f a r r a d ork aad eoaaoltetlooa, aad I c s r t a la l/ oold oot go oot of *7 *17 to aatagooisa aoj of tkaa, and l f I eoold f i a d aarthl&g Z thooght eoulc ba eoaaactad Ith t h a l r chealccl sxpoturs I oold ba tha f l r i t oaa to aa; ao. <1 K c a a ia r, ai to t r e a t c a a t f o r tha akia dlaordara or tha airTous e o n d itlo a , 70a r a fa r thaa to s o s othar doetor rath a r thaa do tha y e a r a a lf aa to t r e a t a a a t A * l a f a r aa t r c a t ia g tha i t i s d lio r d a r , I oold r a f a r tha* to a kin a p a e l a l l i t . As f a r 9418291 It . O'Dall - Croas -e ss treating sa/ narrons disorder tbit light'arlaa, that 1s t ooaaos cod ditloo is sso is medical practico sii the tima, that is, ths preti of Dirrovi tension, sebos, pains, weakness, ihleh is s port of Internal Qtdicine, and sot dealing cos with psychiatric treatment, hot with Et diesi treatment sad what we call psyehosoaatie treatment, Dot atteupting to delineate psychiatric manifestations. Psychiatric nanifcotations, if I fait thoaa era prca tot, I wonld refer tha to s psychiatrist. UR. JETERi That's a l l . By Ur. B e l l a s . RE-DIRECT EXAiOESiTI05i Q, - Is th a r i anything fa rth e r yoa would Ilk a to elaV- r, 9418292 Dr. O3*11 - E-Dir et* . -lfi T n t ngr Va a d s lt t s d f i f tha C o ta it alonar v i s t a I t la tha raeord. Ta bava so o V ja e tio i ta 1t. HB. BOLES* I ao mot* i t Va a f e i t t a d , tha t a i t i n o a y a s i tha la t t a r i. KB. C15TXEBKT* lia it tad. 7UBEEE DEPOSENT SU TH HOT Tharanpon e u t DB. B . H . i rSTiLl TS, U naia r e e a lla d f o r tha parpoa o f croia a x i a l a i t l o a opod teitiaony haretofora astarad harain* ib.o, i f t i r haring laon fir a t doly tora according to l t * # ta c tlfla d i l follo w t By Hr. Jatar. COSS m y IHATI CH t -P" 9 4 S 3 0 2 " Dr. K n l a u i - Croat* -IT- 1 - Dr* l o i t c a n n , I b e liev e your testimony gives a t tha hearing whleh was t s l d on t i l claim on A p ril I S , 1955, s ta te d la f a s t that job fouad as p i r i t s o t partial dis a b ilit y azlstlng a fte r job had t r a in e d the elalmaat sad probably had conferences mith Ur. O' C e ll? A - I don't think ma were aakad to giT th at o pin io n , vara ma, 2ir* Bowles, I m u f o r lions an toT ER. BOWLES: I may haza aakad job in tha court of j o u r dir act examination. I'm not aura, E m INITIO* JUSFjIED BT !IR. JiT O E : < 1 - 1 w ill preaant that in th is way, than* Tara job abl in eonsaotion with jour azaainatlon of thia claimant and with a ccnfcrane with Dra O 'D e ll to f i n d t h a t air. Cunningham, th c la ia a n t in thia c aa , had anj permanent p a r t i a l t i t a b i l i t y r e s u lt in g from tha a z- 341830; fir* V u U i & a - Croaa 18- poanra? i Iona 1 acrald d i t i c t . Q, Hi t * yon ecnaidarad a t t i l tha akin d i s a b i l i t y nhleh tfcla bab t o ld yon ha had! 1 - I ' a sot aura. I think I a it* t stattaant that thara tr a n ltlp la araaa of old a sa il ono to thraa j a l ll l n a t art t tad ona 1111- cctor It almost Insignificant tears t t l d to bo tha a lt o o f tha " h o ll a * , c&d Z did sot th in k--I B its I f I voro aTtlnatinc th is thins fro ay f lo ld of lo ta rn tl aad l- e la t th a t to as *onld- not praaant t d is a b ilit y * That la as in t e r n is t 's opinion and sot a darcatologlcal opinion. Q - Could yon f i n d th a t th ia man presented to yon any eorplainta of oarTeua disorders? i - S n ra , co at o f tha peoplt h a r t . I main th e ir f i r at ayaptcfi is nerrousaess. (1 - Hat# r on eoasldarad f a t h e r or not that l a a dis- 94183# Dr !it u u Croat. "li a b ility i i i rosnlt o f tht axpoenret 1 - I boro. Q - la d b a t 1 your eonelneio*? l - That I hiTi bo u ; of relating bit Barrens ststna prior to tht plosion except hit statement, and I don't think that It an adequate haala os thlch to make an ado^neto comparison. Q - I hollo In another case-yon atated aocething about r l t l n g an a r t l e l t In regard to the e f f e c t that eortaln condition would htTt os coal minors. That a r t i c l e I have not road hut 1 rather from I t th at that took op a p s y ch o lo g ica l dlaerder th a t might folio after certain Tentt in the coal mine? 1 - I no a tte a p t waa node to c o rre la te Tents to the presence or absence of tho disorder, the tody as for tha eel# pnrpoie of high lig h tin g the fa e t that eoal miners as a gronp appeared to have nhatoTer o rga n ically rn 941830 Dr. Hiitaana - Croia -20- thay h iT , t u b ir c o le ila , b i a r t d i t t i l o and io on. Tboy a l t o U t i a t i ry h l j b in c id in e * of aaotlonal or p iy e b o lo jle a l d i a l i s i , and tb i flu o r o , I b i l i t T i , v i i 98 p iro in t of 151 e a m , o b lili la * u i t i b i g b , and 1 th ln k tbi tntlaony o lii b tir oot, I think fon a ik id s i at tbat t i s i , or Dr. H i l l o p i a , l f in ix p lo iio n dld l t prodn ci, and in e i l d i n t , bad l t predneid l t , and no a t t i ipt ai midi la i n l o a t l n g t b m e a m , and t b i atndy n i ay om undirtakiag and bta not b u a u jp o rtid iy asy e n f i t i fr o a in d o itry or fro a aayfcody l a i , v a i a o l i l y f o r ona pnrposi, to fln d ont dld p iyebon iuron i z l i t in eoal a l c i p ii and, l f i o , to b it d i g n o , and t b a t 'a vbat ttxi a r t i c i a t t i a p t i d fr o a sty polnt of t1* i to n t a b l l i b ; tbat and oaly tbat Q - Dld I n sd irita sd yoa to ia y tbat quita a f i n of t b m aia yon b a r i m a l n d do display 7r 9418306 Dr. Ititoma - Creai -23.- thia aarrena con d itici? 1 - Tilt*e th b o i t coBMoa thlag I fisi la tham, except far u ; l i tbi kia eoo di tiea* Q, - I r a jo b I I I bc t e a t t r l t a t e t h a t eoo d i t i oa ta th axpoaurt aot oaly la thla aasa bat la th othars aad conti d trin j i t a lto g e th a r f i - The 140 c o ti A latra Sara a o t l a t a expoted to Xoctanto ftiata. I easaot ralata it no, tir. Q - Do job eoa f i d a r that a d i a a b i l i t j * raj;ardlaaa of b it tha cauta of i t vaat 1 - T h tit eoal a ls trs ara aot dlaabltd aad aoaa of thaa ara aora ptjchonaarotie thaa that a paopla Q, - T lt h r t f e r a a e a to tha Hoataato paopla job hare axanlaadj do job co n fi d a r th at tha atrToua eoadltloa job aaatioaad a d i i a h i l l t j l a i t ti t l f , r e g a r d l t a i of tha eauaa? A. W 1 I th la k a l o t of paopla th a t hara aora aarioua ocrTout ditordara thaa th aj ara 948307 ^ -- vr^rJ.i *1. Sr* It it u & fl CroM - 22- a t i l l -i U i to in a c tio n * I don't think I eis ( I t * yon i eo ap lataly i t i i f i e t o p y i i i i t r to t h i t . X t h is k t k i i grovp s f a or h igh ly anggoatihla u i l X th ia k th a t t e a t of thorn hawa haoi dona lrra p a ra b lo htra by, to a t , nnwarraatad taatlaoay la thl> rooa or a l a l l a r rooao la o i l oh a a l t i p l o a cla ro a la i n thrown l a th a lr fa e a w ith eoaplataly nnfonadad th a e ria a . 1 think i t la Tleloua and aoaa othar th in gs X battar not it/ Q, - That experience to which yon hare reference happaaad a f t e r yon had exaalned thaaa nan, X an t a lk in g about tha eo a d it ion of those nan a t tha tla a yon exaalaed th an . Ton aald yon found th ia jiarTena s t a t e , and I as aakiag yon whathar or not th at ia a lia b ility ia ltaalfT 1 - That dapenda a n tir a ly npoa tha decree, and I don't know * i t t yonr eoapaneitlon r o lin g la oa tha ! 9418308 Dr. Yastasna - Crest -23 dograea of disability. I eta sptak with te ^ t a u th o rity eo ^ a t tbs it e r a t a o f d is a b ility ara fo r a o e ia l ta ta r i ty b e a e fiti, bacane I aa a ccniultaat f a r th a t d lT is le a b a ra , bat as to * a t tba a t t lt a d a of tba pab ile la v of tba a ta t a la ^.tb rogard to th a t I don't know. I dos' t know, and I*a snra yoa w ill haws pro t t y a a a rly as many dlffarant things from pbysleiaas aa yoa baTa physicians to tb a f a c t tb ls gay la compiataly d is a b le d and th is gay baa do f l s a b l l l t y . Q. - That la j o w opinion as to U r . C u a aia gh ta , as to tbs dagraa of d is a b ilit y ? 1 - 1 tb ia k bt has so dograt. I think ba baa a moder ate l j a avaro psychoatarosla, cans* sot koowa* -Aaa i t daTtlopad, aot kaowa. 0. - le g a r d is ia of tba causa, do you co n sid er th at a die a b i l i t y ? 1 - r o l l , ae bo nakss i t a d i s a b i l i t y , y s s . I f ba 9418309 Dr* I t i t i i B f l - C f n i f H says, V j lc it paralysed* and r i i to b o tb it, Z think ho 1 disabled, and I haTt patients la that situation. Q - Id Hr. Cuaainghia,a eaaa did 700 find that ha vat aalingsring or tintruthfnit A - This la not a B t l i n n r i n g s i t u a t i o n . Thla la aa a c tio n a l olB ordor. I t Is not an in sa n ity * I t le lfeat I t, O 'D e ll and I la ear o f f l e a four t l r a s or 10 t i n t as o fta s as va saa organic d l t a a i a , and va saa 1b our o f f l e a peopla who -ira able to fu n ctio n and hold down r.uch sore raa y ora ib le jobs than thasa people. A r t ! i t s , by tho aery nature of t h a l r work, arc wary fr e q u e n tly h igh ly n a u r o tie , hot they a r i s t i l l ah ia to function so f a r as I ta concerned, and neurosis In i t s a l f and b. I t s a l f is not d is a b lin g . I t is d is abling s i the psraon M a s s i f Bakas i t d i i t h lln g . I t is ss disabling as ths physleiai rho c a n s f o r b in s a y in g , "Ton a n going to 9418310 Dr. Xaetaana - Croat, -25- derelop multiple a e ltr o ila t i o i i i i of hyprinauliniam1* which h doaan't h a r e . Theta popl# ora highly au ggeatitle and hat you hare to t a l l thorn baa to ha Try aarafu lly weighed Q, - What information cam# before th a a , i f i t did* regarding m u ltiple aclero a ia e u i op a f t e r yon had examined Ifr . Cunningham, di d I t not? 1 I don't know the day* I do n 't knov i t ran east up in the caaa of Ur Cunningham or n o t. Q - I don't either i - X remasher that ae rara l .of thaaa people vara threatened with m ultiple K la r o a ia , from the reading I hare dona of theaa reporta 13. BOWLESt I think the t e it ic o n y where th a t inference maa made* U r. Je te r* vaa the o r ig in a l te a tia c o y of Dr. Halloran* when ha went through a l l of theaa eaaea* 9418311 Dr f u t u s i - Crott 26- E U JtTS&i I t i n os tba l u l s g esso* UR. BOIIXSl I o , b ifo r a Dr* O 'D t l l and Dr. l i s t a m i tartid a x u la a tio a of thtat i t a , vhas tho S p s o l t l li* d ic l Bori t o s t i f i c i aad t h n Dr Ellors tcatlfld I doo't kaoi iha that lafraeo vai Badi, B it I r i c a l i I t as aado la ssTtral of tboa. Eliii IliATI Gl EiSUHJD BT : E . JETERt Q - Eoetor, I r s a l l f Istesd td to calci th ic a short a x a a ls a t io a . l a I saderstDd i t , you do r t o o g o l t i t h t r i aro to d i s a h i l i t i s s , odo la f r o i tha afcia it a o d p o ia t f A Thcrt l a sot fr o a aa i s t o r a l s t ' i p e ia t of t i Q - At t h i othar la ths f a e t 700 f o r n i t h t i s aia la Dirroa i t a t i aa d yon don't tu o i ih eth o r to ix p l a l a th a t oa th i exjlosari or s o a e th is t l i s a , la that ahout oorrtct? 9418312 Dr* Hastnann - Cron* "27- 1 - T h i t ' i e o r n c t , ve h t n bo 7 o f b o i l a j tb i cause of th is u l 11 ho to bo kBOiledge of h o i bottom they era boforo tho exposure, tod t h e ir te stin o n y os th is s o r t of thing l i eoaplotely inadequate nedioally to sake thot dif for cat l o t i ofl. Of oouroe this is a draaatie thing sad oTerythlug th a t haa happened Ince th at t i n e . Jh ethsr i t la duo to th a t oxpoiaro or n o t , s e l l tho 151 coal a ise ra had no aneh exposure and 92 percent of th ea had tho aajaa type of i l l s e a a thoao f e l l o e s had, an'3 os tho basis of th a t to a t the tTidtnoo o d d hare to prora there is a causal r e la tio n s h ip , and 1 knew of no such vork* Q- - Doctor, fr o a sou of your testin on y I probably ia p ro p erly drew tho conclusion th a t you didn't consider a person disabled unless he as t o t a l l y disabled/ an I o orrect 1b that? 9418313 _kX- ^ ^ 4 *, Pr, Su tiiB B - Cross. * 2S* i - I ta s a tisfie d that various psepls operate under various degress o f d is a b ili t y tad that ths ratine of p i r t l i l d isab ility la a hard jo t. Q - Co you refu se to r a ts a parson unitaa ho is to ta lly disablsdT 1 - I hsTt had Tory l i t t l * experience eoapensatioua ls o , and that's ths only plaeo th is so rt of thine coats up as to p a r t i a l d i s a b i l i t y . I ha to had a l o t aoro experience in r a t i n e and d s ta m in in g t o t a l d i s a b i l i t y v i t h r t f e r tile t to ay work u p s t a ir s v i t h s o c i a l s e c u r ity . Z b t lic v s I aa righ t la th a t I havs rteoantadsd at various ti&ss to a Compensation C o calacio n er varyin g dtgrets d isab ility, I btlltT t that's eorrtet. Q, - Considering th a t thsss ass hava t h is skin f l i * a b i l l ty # aould you give that any dsgrsa of disability rating? 941831* Dr* fo a ta an s - Cross 1 . I t o ld 7 ob before th is o f tarsoca f r a a i l a - . ta ra lst's polst of Ties that la act die a h lls g . Q - Whoie p o ls t o f r l e coaid be s a d i r adopted l j tha C o aaltaleeo r oa th a t d i s a b i l i t y ! 1 - I ba iler# a c e r t i f i e d d e r a a to lo g is t eh all daterain a th at. Q. - And oa the aerra disorder th at ve hare aen tiaoed, that la probably sot the correct s u e , iho eoald be the beat to s ir e t h a t a decree of peraaseat p a rtia l d is a b ility rating? A - " e l l , 70a can g a t opinions fr o a rarlo u s sou rces, I think in t e r n is t s are c e lle d upon to g i r t that sot Infrequently. Q. - Could 70s g ir o I t Is t h i s e a s e , loo kin g at th# d is a b ility so le ly and sot i t s cease? A - I don't think that the aiaclnation that I hart ads os Id p e r a it a t to r a t e d i a a b l l l t j . * I hare recognised I t , but I don't ata ho 9418315 r' .* Dr. ITtetaann C ro at. -u- I coaid rtta d isab ility fro* th is. I think th at would take ao*e t a i t i which war n o t aT o lla b le to wo i t t h a t p a r t i l a r t l * e . I don' t think I sould rata It Q - Than you woaid a ay t h a t l a d i s a b i l i t y * bat f r o * what a e n sectlo ia yon bate with the caaa yon coold net rata I t f A - i t 11, yon are g e ttin g in to a q a l t * co ap llea ted r e a l * . Ton art g e ttin g Into a s it u a t i o n where a guy on LFA with la is trouble than he has la completely disabled* to a s i t u a tion where a p r a c t ic in g physician can be were o f f and fu n ctio n in g p re tty w a l l. Eow does one* ra te d i s a b i l i t y f o r those two? Q. * d is u s in g th at* would th a t ba the f a u l t of the p a t ie n t or the f a u l t of thoee who are supposed to rate hi*T 1 - I don't know. I think I t depends on In d iv id u a l ca p a city and a o t iv a tio n and how well these people i r e to fu n ctio n * and wy lwpresslon 9418316 Sr Iiitiiu - Cross -31 is th a t fessa paopla ars ut ts g s t a j r t T j trA ls aad tha p r o fs s s io a s l ptrsoa fcaens ho d o asa't h iT i a | r t r y tr a io * <4 - iad job ars oot halpiag hii aayt 1 - I f ha has somathiag tLa cattar withbi thst ls attrlbutabla to thl, V golly ho is going to gst it. I told Ut . Vagar aad Mr. Bovlas and th rsst of tfcaa at ltocanta if thass paopla hftTt aBythlag coking to tbam tbay ara going to gat it. <4 H o t * you reeoanandad aaytbing for say of tbs ose job bay axaHlaadt 1 - I haT aa't found aayV.ing f o t to raeoaaaadj Kr. Jatsr, aad I hare lookad. <4 - Do you tblnk thcea nan are t r y i a g to rida a gr ary t r a l a , all you bftT* sxt&laed? 1 - 1 doe't kno of ose sxesptloa, I ai sur tbara is aot od* axeeptloa HA. JJTM 9418317 Dr. Vestaann - Creai. -se l li o yeu f i n d that on#, l f t tie b o a I t . Tha t ' a a l l I bar# &5-2XRSCT E U X I5 1 T I0 II By H r. Bowles. Q - Dr. Hes tisana, I would l i t # to ask Ju s t a few questions. Recalling the former t e s t i * coy l a this etss aad Dr* O ' D e l l ' s , did you fin d aay tTideocs of hyp erlna u llo la la th is nant 1 - On the basis of ay examination, the answer as do. Z wean t h a t ' s i6 a t yon want as to t e s t ! fy tot Q - T s , oa tha basis of your e x a a ia a t lr n aad any otht STldsaos that yoa had a T slla b ls to yout 1 - I haj# a glucose tolerance ca rr , I suppose at th at tl*3f, which showed a blood sugar a t 3- 1/2 hours at 88, which la a l i t t l e bit below n o m a i, but th at la the only thing .*.> *- Dr* la a tsa n a B a-D lraet. -83- t h i t l t K g { i i t B { hypoglyeaBla and doa not inggaat to a byp eriaan llD laB . Q - ! tb a t a lew aongb blood inga? l a r a l ta cana a d u ig i to BirTtlt A - I t i* Bt. % - Aaanalag tbat l t got levar to tha polat * a r a l t eenld cana* dasagt to tba narra, venid t b i t ba ib I r n T a r a l b l o f l u s g i ? A - l t woald n o t. Q - In other ver da, l t venid not ba parva nao t thlag tbaaT A - So, ir. Q, - Dld yon f i n e any t t anca la your xaalnatioa of thl can fcat ba bad ay caga to narTa or Barra t liiu a f A - Hoaa tb at 1 eonld fia d Q. * Dr. S a a t c t a a , fr o a jo u r general aadleal lmovladga can yon glTa na a ida of bov sany paopla who baya trna b y p e r ia s u lla lt a bara Barra daaaga, parsaoant aerra daaaga, or araa tba 9418319 Dr* Waatnana - a*Dlrt*t -S4- Inoldaaca of aorTi l i a i g i n U t i d to hypar- inaullnla*? 1 - Art yoa ta lk in g about h y p t r lfit n li a la * of# wo aay# andogaaona, organi* hyp*rin co lla la *# or tha h y p irin a o lin la * f r o * f i r i n g too wach. In a n ila f r o * n-~ <1 - (In terru p tin g)* Organi*? X - Tbi typ* fro a th* paaartaa? Q - That*a right? A - I bara B tT tr hoard of aneb daaagt. I t la a p o a a ib ility , but I t la e a rta ln ly aoat# aoat nneoason. I can' t aay th at 1 know poeltiTaly ef a eaa*. Q - Again# I may b* rapoatlag h*r * ( v*r* tharo aay finding* la thla naa'a casa, U t. Cnnniagha**a eaa*# to in d i ca ta to yon any narT* daaaga? A - Ho organic narra A m ig a . (1 - Would tha finding ahi eh yon Bada In dicata any aerroua diaordar, e b ja e tlr* fin d ing*? 9418320 Dr. listnaaa - Aa-DIrooi 35- la other or 3s or* tbs i s syaptona A i o h ho r e l s t s d to oaf 1 - T h sssw sr* syaptoas ho rala to d * Thsy or# subjsctiT # f i n logs tad th sy wr* aot supp o rts* by aay of tbs ts a t s oa p h y s ic a l s ia n ln a t l ob that I do* Q - Could you r s l a t i any of thoao s o b js c t i T yaptons to this saa's exposure to 245-? i t f f f y or any othsr eheaieal s ip o iu rt at.Xonsanto Chsaleal Company? A - Is* Q - Do job f s a l ^ u c l i f i s d as as i a t s r s i a t to azprssa an opinion as to a c a n 's d i s a b i l i t y or laek of d is a b ilit y resu ltin g fro subjective eo ap laists or o b jectiT e f ia d ia g s or re la tin g to a irro u sn cis and n o tio n al is tu rb in e s ? A - I t h ia f th at's oat of your a c i t d i f f i c u l t . I th lak that would ba a n e x c e p t i o n a l l y d i f f i c u lt jo b , and I think you would h a r t to haTi 9418321 Dr* l u t t t n s -M - sot* Trj i p n U l i j u l i i 111** This previously refsrrod to mesial security gives 701 seek (old* H a a s , sad aloaf with these emotional disorder ther* Ki t * to Vi o t t i r o r j a a i * s ls a s u l symp toms p r e s e a t, a a d t i > d ir e c t r e la t ic a e h lp th at would he ao sT*ra as t * oause a d i s a b i l i t y , but I so* no-- thls la the raaaon why without the gold* l i s a s you eas here a l l sorts of p a r tia l and temporary d is a b i l i t y which you so* oa CPI forma sad the aa s o cia l a te a rlty forms, a guide such as backache and ha la d is a b le d ; oa what b a s i s , ha has got a backache, sad tha doctor i* i y a p a t h a t ic , ha had a backache yesterd ay, aad ao th la backache d isab le s him, sad oa what b a s is . Tie have so evidence a t a l l , absolutely none. 9 - 1 t i l * t m , t b i t I* Ur. C B B a is g b ia 'i c m , wbitbcr there be i b ; i l u M l i t ; or *7 it g r e e 9418322 Dr. Ieatmaai - I# -D lr#at. -87 f dltiUllty nlitifl to hla eoaplalstav ^athar tha ra ha or aot ha liiMllty, la lt xovr tplaloB that that ecDltle9, h t m r It aif bi, la set relatad to hla ocupatioaal axpoaorat 1 - Too aot to bao *athar hla dliahUlty or part al iaaklllty l t relatad to U a lo das triol expoacret Q. - Ya, l t , a a to s ia g f e r tbo oaant th o t ha ha* io3 i c l a a M l lt y o tfaat natora? 1 * 1 kooo of oo *ay o f p o a l t l T t l j booklng op tho too Q - In jo o r baat Jod^aent do yoo f a t l th a t l t la r a la t t d , or that l t la aot relatad ? 1 * 1 eannot r ala ta lt * S i B^TLaS i 1 boro oo fo r t h e r ^uaatloaa* El-CSCSS SEUUSiTIOIi 9418323 Dr Iatnma - Bi-Crou . 88-- By r . Je te r * Q, - Doctor I s n ' t I t reasonable to In fo r t b i t the exposure of tfileh jo b had a h isto ry brought about th la aorToua condition? la I t reasonable to infer that? i - I t la reaao&ablo to In fo r anything you want to Infor Thoao bob U to boon In fe r r e d auoh Q. - And p a r t i c u l a r l y I t la not unroaaoDablo to In fe r when you hare ao OTldenee or fa e to ra to produe o I t ? i - Bo, I t i s n ' t , because i f you had put 141 o f thoao 151 coal ulaora la t h a t a lt u a t lo n and * l t h tho o rp lo ilo B they would htTO had tho ease degree of l i a b i l i t y , or n o n . I wtan 1 don11 b e llo Y e i t l a uaroatonablo to in f e r that at all Q - If i t reasonable not to in fe r itT A i a attorney fo r those people, I auppoee the answer ia I t la not reasonable to infer I t . is a, 9418324 Dr. laataana * &o-Croai - 39 phyalelaa* i t f a r n aaking f o r i i u and a ffa e t ralatlo sah lp , I eta fla d so each eanao and i f f t e t r i l i U a i U p asd I hara aza&inad that* peopl# fo r both Kaaaanto and f o r vorkaas'a eoapanaatlco Son* of t h n I ha to axaained f o r aorkaaa'a eoapaaaa* tio a and aoso f o r Konsanto, and tha azaniaa* t i o a la ( p it * s l s i l a r # and I think mj da* c la lo a la q,uit# a l a l l a r azeopt l a tha eaaa of Hr. Canainghaa I aaka tha fo lio la g s ta t a z o n t, c h i o r f o i l l e n l l t l a # aad a7 eon* eluding paragraph l a tha other ayaptona which ho haa I do not f o a l ara in asp ta p r a la ta d to eheaieal fan as. MS. BOWL1S 1 4 - What 11 tha data of t h a t r e p o r t . Dr. Kaataann? i - 1951j 6/15/51. m iilH iT IO H BaSUMSD BT XR. JITESt 9418325 Dr. estaann - Re-Croas. -40- Q, - So n eT tr, yen eay out of a l l of these a n yea hart exaalned lin e e the ipoaure th at there le only ese of them th a t you hare bees able te s a t le f y y o u r s e lf th a t hie lia b ili t y has a eosoeetios 1th the exposure? 1 - Too a l s l i t i r p r e t hat 1 s a i d . 1 th in k th a t of a l l the people 1 hare examined only one has sot had aoae e le a e s t of em otional ditur base. (1 - Out of a l l you have exaalned la eo cseetioa 1th the calas that are pending before the Co.ualssioner fo r hearin g, that is the oses you hare re c e s t l y exaaln ed , ere yoa able to fin d anything u lth any of the that you connected as being produced by the exposure? X - Except ith the exception o f a c h l o r f o l l i c u l l t l s , s o , and X don't think there le any ^ u e stio i 9418326 / Dr. leetmann - Is -C r o s s . about b ith ir th a t U tha can* and e f f a c t r e la tio n s h ip . I th in k aweryhody Is i l l i n c to gran t t h a t . Hon as to tha dwgrtf of d le a b ility , I don't p a rtic u la rly v a s t to make a d a te rn in a tio a on t h a t . ' ) Q, - Doas i t s tr ik e you as unutuel th a t so many aaa would he confronted w ith tha same are n t and so wany of them hsTt s im ila r a ila a s t a or the sane a ilc e n t s and b a r e ha no oon* noctlon hetueen the exposure rent and these ailm ents? Does i t make sense to d iscard a l l these d*s a b i l i t i e s which fo llo w th is exposure and say i t is due to some* j thing else? j l A - Tou are ta lk in g shout the same type of in d iv id u al?!' Q - I recognise th a t no In d iv id u a l i t l i f e , the o th er, hut Just froa s general deduction froa cause and e ffe c t to where 700 have one event, namely exposure th a t t h e n *d a l l have? I ' I 3418327 1 1 Dr. Voataaaa - Eo*aroaa* *42* i - D li job u jr txpleilon* op i i j o i b m T - C a ll i t eXpOSUM, o d fo llo w iB J th t the *1 ilio v tr t t i i f i lo & s io tii with i t iT ilo p ii a i a i l a r i l b i s t i wowld jo b u y u * a a - I j i t or atudaat of e a w i i b 2 o ff act that th ia expoaure had aoaa cauaal coa&oetioB with tha d lia b ility T 1 - A J* a r ago I would bo mueh nora agreeab le to jotir th e a ia . i f ta r hawing atndiad thaaa 151 eo al einare I aw aueh alowar to agree with jo b and o o a 't think 1 w ill, ^ " Then job aaa ao cau aal c o s a a c tio a between tha 1 - Vo, l i a b i l i t y and tha a r a a tf HR. JETERi That* a l l , HR. BObUS: I haTt ao fu rth e r queetlo& a, FURTHER DEPOHEH? SAITS SOT i f I ... ' 9418328 "" Statalista 43 UH JITKHi Va v i l i s o k lt th la c u i far as tha c la la a a t la eoo carnai HE BO VU St 1 vould Ilic i to ora fo r gasar al eoa* tla u a sea Va bara la a l a i l f va r a t eh th p o ia t of T a a ta a llp h r in -in g l a probably Dr Jaront lah a o f tha tfalT srsltp af H Ichigai Ha d ie a l School to r a r la v thaaa oaaaa aad t e s t l f y v l t h raspa e t to th e a . I v o ald Ilice to krap th la casa opaa fo r th a t p srp o se, co va eoa bara a a othar part hearing la t h is f as v a li as tha other cassa }'_R. CIKTIEBUHTi Coatiaasd sarally 9418329 R ip o r ta r 9! C e r t i f i e n t * . STITI or HIST TIRGIHIi SS* COUITT or l i l l l E l I , Kenneth B . H ata, R ip o r ta r , b a lin g 1)110 duly a l o r a , k i n b y c e r t i f y th a t I did t a t * t h i fo re g o in g i T i c i n c i by t h i us o f ste n o g ra p h !* ootes and c k a r a e t ir a , and th a t tha saaa haTi h tin duly t r a n s c r ib id by a i la t o t h i E n g lis h Language. I further c e rtify that th is la a ll of the seid en e* taken by a i a t the he a ria g h e ld lo the c a la of C i e i l Cunningham, Claim K o . 12943-162 at the o ffic e of the C oaaisalo n ir io the C ity of C h a rle sto n , Lanaaha County, on the 29th day o f J u n i, 1956. 9418330