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PLAINTIFF'S EXHIBIT WV-05891 r MINUTES OF WINTER NEETING OF THE NATIONAL INSULATION MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION New Yesfc, N. Y. Jtautry 9, IHZ U .J MC 422*30 B **** WV-05891 i r* MINUTES OF WINTER. MEETING O? THE NATIONAL INSULATION MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION New York, N. Y Jeawery 9. 1962 J MC 42203 B 0OB2 tf... 'v., `.Vi v? '* ;* - . v ; u;:. ' -1 :i* < "',c J^ .{*, -.*:t >. i;r i* Cadwaiader, Wickersham U Taft * ' B. M. Walls1 Legal Counsel ' Sumner'Rider fc Associates ' Publicity Counsel ;' * " ' J^'Bae* \ ' '^.ShaftsT / ' *'33* kavis * * 4 r- National Insulation Mfrs. Assi j. M/Barnhart* R* C* Parlett APPROVAL OF MINUTES X rootidh was made, seconded' and passW " That the ^iinutee of the Meeting fif September 11, ` 19$i, as buttet&ed'by"the'Xbaotfc&oh office be ap.p.-ro2ved.* -v ::/*?; _ -* publjcit?'cow4rrfs report -9-r 'O . s. Chairman J, C. Affleck reported as follows: i ' * *:-*.* * v-m ?-n: At its last-meeting, on October $1, - the Publicity Committee*0 main problem was to lay out a program of maximum coverage in the light of a reduced budget. Attending were Messrs* George Medinnus, OwensComing Flbergl^sfcorp*, S, C, Bogar, Baldwia-Ehm-Hill# Vince McKinnon (for CookeJof^dEiis-ikanrtU* S*2s C&egi'f'Ybitit Chairman# and Messrs* Rider,' Baer 4&d Sfcaftel of the agency* ft Wii-agred th&; the'kdflic 'publicity program must be continued as the basis of aUactivft^that direct .togfl promotion would be curtailed because ^'budgetary limitationj, but that a partial substitute would be achieved by member companies distributing materials, which we would supply to them*.. These materials wuid4include resists of published articled, new's'releases, booklets and promotional pieces* In continuing the distribution of-the Eccnoinic Thickness Manual, a further' *iip would be the follow-up of purchasers of the Manual to find wlta*'value they have detivdd from the book," & the form ofincreased economy pr efficiency* We have heard favorable comments on the booh from en^^ers in va^ous government service departments who received copies on"the occasion of their meeting vrith our NIMA Techni cal Committee, It would be especially interesting to get some official federal recognition of our Manual* Our goal should be to see that every worthwhile specifier, contractor and user of our insulations is equipped with the Manual and knows how to use It effectively* MC 422036 e yu* PUBLICITY COMMITTEE REPORT {coat'd. > . . . . .. .. "1 1 . ' lliniiml ", -- i ,J . , Another subject of future1 activity* that'came easier disetrstfios, and wd require some serious thinking, is cur relations with the Insulation Distributor-Contractors NationaTAasociatioa, This group and the eight regional contractor groups would, we are led to believe, welcome some kind of joint activity, and we think that a formal presentation on the theory and significance of economic thickness, to be given at contractor meetings by Mr; Barnhart,-rmay well have a healthy effect on specifics* Hon procedures. Last year1s direct mail program was carried out as planned, and has already shown solid'results `in orders for the Economic Thickness Manual, The details will be covered' in'John Baer's report for Sumner Ridef &`Associates. ' John Baer will now give us A report on oar accom- pLishments to date and our future'^ans ' 1 Mr, J; Baer exhibited siideVdepicting the accomplishments of 1961 and the program that id ejected to be undartakenfor 1962, * *>!* V- . '* 1 should like toagaffc underline Joints'remarks about the 3DCNA and - the regional groups, I'reapectftiny'submit that the Executive Commit tee might at this ftveetihg^ lay dbwha policy to guide your Public Relations Committee hs this matter," A pbsitWe policy would broaden bur spheW of service;' 'chd-rcertalbly Impress apes an important group . the existence and usefulness cf our association. We would like to know whether you agree with our proposals for action in our relationship with the IDCNA and whether can proceed to carry them*oat within our budget. These is one other i&tn - bur inventory of Manuals is sow 100 units, Wewould like euthortenllon to purchase 1000 copies - at a coat ^'$1820,00 or $`i4'2 each,''" We propose to pay for them out of the profits from die skis tb date of'cur initial inventory, We wouldv ~ jUfeeto useihe h&tanefe'ef these pS^ffte to promote thb new Cold Study,, Manual when it is' ptfbiltfhedi*' *. - *' `WC ***** . FolioWSig' 'discussion ftmotka was made^ iectshddd and passed * 1 addJttodal'e^piee^the'Ecdaozoic ' : Thibfc&ei& Manual be printed at atotal' cost of-** ' That the rriembetship^hairbe polled as to,the number; .... .. _ c copies of the Manual they desire, and the number' determined so shall be added ta the 1000 copies to deter* mine the final amount printed. The cost of the Manuals to the membership shall be $3.00 each* NC 422030 8 0004 4 PUBLICITY COMMITTEE REPORT (coat'd,) The membership agreed that the economic thickness concept be pre sented at the IDCNA regional meetings. . The publicity counsel will contact the regional headquarters for scheduling. The publicity counsel will prepare the pre eentation within the next sixty days and send it to the membership for review, < TRAFFIC COMMITTEE REPORT Chairman H. B, Reaves reported' is follows: A joint meeting of the Traffic Committee of the National Insulation Manufacturers Association and the National Mineral Wool Association was held at the Belmont Plata Hotel, New York, N, Y,beginning at 9:30 A, M, November 9, 1961. The following were in attendance: Mr, Jules Erails . Mr, W, D. Brown Mr, G, A, Crath Mr, A, J.. Wallner Mr, L, F, Froustet Mr, J. J, Horrlgas Mr, A. C. Pecora Mr, K, L. Sodergren Mr, D, R Vandermyde Mr, J, H. Barnhart Mr, H, B, Reaves, Jr, Wood Conversion Company Wood Conversion Company Rubetoid Company JOhns-ManvUle Sales Corp, National Gypsum Company Owens-Coming Ftberglas Corp. Pittsburgh Plate Ones Company Gustin-Bacon Mfg, Company 3, Gypsum Company NIMA Pittsburgh Plate Glass Go. The Traffic Committee has been presented some very knotty problems, each of whick could seriouslyAffect th*transportation costs of our members in 1962*. -Forme* Chairman A, L. Kreamelmeyer reported to you last SeptembeVtha* the Committee has been attempting to secure reductions in rates within Western Trunk Line Territory for distances up to TOtrmiles. The carriers have repeatedly denied this proposal, and we have been attempting to have the shatter set'for public hearing so we may present ofcr views more thoroughly,* We secuxed'time for a public hearing in December, but It was postponed at the last mimSe until tomorrow, January id, in Chicago, A number cf the Traffic Committee members are meeting this evening in Chicago for our presentation tomorrow morning, ' % ' *r Following our joint meeting on Noramber 9 the entire Committee appeared before the National Glassification Board hearing in New York and opposed the Board's proposal to increase various mineral wool items up to Class 300, This would have the effect of tripling the freight rates on many of the commodities manufactured by members of tills Association, At this M 422030 B 0005 TRAFFIC COMMITTEE REPORT (6oa<d) ' hearing we were able to determine the reasons for the carriers attempt to effect such a drastic increase, and axe happy to report that we were able to postpone consideration of this proposal until this Springs and even then we have every reason to believe that'the proposal as worded will be denied. It is quite possible*that certain light' density itaixje will take a slight increase/ hut should1 that occur, such ah increase should not become effective until next Fall, Later that afternoon our Committee appeared before the rail classifica tion board and opposed an increase'in ratings they had placed on theft'' docket. While this particular proposal #as in line1wdib adjustments already incorporated In the motor carrier classtflbetioinJ our principal purpose in appearing before this group was to revie# rail* classifica tion practices and attempt to prevent their proposing'increases similar* to that we'had juat opposed before the motor carHer board. Railroad LCL service has deteriorated, partftularly wiihft"Official Territory, to a point where it is almost non-existent; and it li the Traffic Coffi-i mitee*s position that the clissiflcatibtt cdrairiitt& shduid leavVti# ^ *': ratings alone if they have no intention of offering a transportation service, While our Traffic Committee is meeting fonight ft Chicago,* fcV previous ly stated, it will hot be our purpose to`cver any outffftadSiftg subjects other than our presentation bioiw'tha'frester^ Committee tomorrow. However, we will hold a triedting ofthe' TrafficCominittbe next week in New York' City iacoaaectied wiiha _#iththe Official Territory lines speciaLcommftfceo to ^nyesiigath ea^oad' rates, bh: insul ating material within that territory.;r 'At this moittMit WeWve' no idea ; what ttie carriers have ln mind, but if ihey^rbpose'ah'irirehse tx rates, you can rest assured that your Committee will ogpbsViW' Oh the ether hand, 1 am sur^tiudthe Comrrdttee wis^hdly a^^,l!hy'i^dcR^dhe ,'<~ the carriers propose to otter. We afe tives on with such an'Uctive and-dedicated group' of gehtleerteh;*0,Tfi**X;ss<&bift& tmv\a.wy vreasstt aaasasnuMreadJ .tthaax.t itfh*e& <T!*ra!f'f/<ic C--* omm* it-tee ^?..^***{d**JOT aiin--u----e----*--ar ^oliey;cBf securing for our industry effective transportation' at:trii?lowest passible cost.- r-*> t. -cat,:. ..................... MARKETING RESEARCH COMbffTTEB *rMfORT In Chairman S.> , Robarge*s absence, Mr. H. Gruher reported as follows: hC 422030 B 0006 6* MARKETING RESEARCH COMMITTEE REPORT (confd.1 ' Za line with the objectives of the Marketing Research Committee of the N1MA to provide the association's membership with quantitative'and qualitative market data on existing and anticipated products and uses* the committee has classified end use markets for thermal insulating materials. These markets are to be studied relative to potentials for products made and reported by association members* competitive materials and new materials* Trends in market acceptance will be identified and evaluated with reference to both new construction and repair and maintenance applications* Wherever possible, forecasts of potentials will be made in both unite and dollars. ... Contributing to this effort, members will be asked to report annually shipments by identifiable end use markets and in physical units, thus indicating shares of market obtained by member companies. The details and procedure of reporting so as to insure confidentiality and legality of this program will he worked out by this committee with the Association secretary and with legal counsel* Annual' reporting in terms of units* in addition to dollars offers a means of relating shipments to market potentials as a true share of market* as units discount variations in price and produce mix over a period of time. Such reporting in physical units will also permit the committee to relate industry shipments to total industry capacity* as developed from government and other In* dependent sources* to end-us market requirements. Initial assignments for committee study of end^uee markets'have been made as foUdwst ', Process Industries H, Gruber, KkM* Chairman T, Sm Bassett, Johne-ManviUe * J. P, Conway, Pittsburgh Plate dlas's >.1*...... c Central Power Stations 8 a^d Sub-Stations S.( J, Aires, Gastia^Bacoa* Chairman R. F. Gbcke, Baldwih-Ehret-Hiil ' < : J. * Roberge, OwensCorning Kepcr te, with market evaluation and reddataendatioBS fbr acceptance, wiU he submitted by December 31, 1962* Interim status reports* with recommendations as may be appropriate, `will be mode by April 30* 1962 and October 31, 1962, Representing the committee, Mr. George Coll, Government Representative of Kessbey k Mattieon and Mr* Gruber have established liaison with offic ials of the Business and Defense Services Administration and Bureau of the Census of the Department of Commerce, and are obtaining govern ment cooperation in identifying evaluating and prefertin.? end use rrvv*hetc HC 42203O B 000? 7 MARKETING RESEARCH OOMMITTES REPORT (contM.) for industrial insulations, In place of the present Census reporting cf insulation materials containing asbestos - MC-32N * as merely pipe insulation - cellular and laminated, 85% magnesia, and others by dollar value of shipment - and block insulation (including sheet and lagging) - 85% magnesia, and.others in thousands of board feet and dollar value of shipments - the Bureau of Census proposes to request of the Bureau of the Budget's committee on Statistical Reports authority and funds to collect data, as recommended.by the Marketing. Research Committee of the NIMA in the following categories, and beginning with the ;963 census.: {List from letter of October 10, 1061 from Barnhart to Wildes), In addition, an insulation category may be included encompassing foamed plastic pipe and block insulation, both including spray, now thrown in with all shipments of plastic products, including packaging, laminates and construction materials (MA-30D), Subsequently, it may be possible to add mineral wool - industrial and equipment Insulation now collected* and reported in Census form 32Kj "Mineral W,ool and Exfoliated Vermiculite" - to the categories, listed above to give the membership a more,. complete reporting of all industrial insulations, and relate products by end-use markets served rather than by composition* Other government and industry data.will be useful in assisting the com mittee in its. work of evaluating end-use markets,In terms of association's skills and facilities, and in recommending courses of action.to increase the association's share of present and future market and improve the return on. its. investment, , Minor modifications are proposed in the monthly reporting form to provide more meaningful Information, with consistency among similar ^product groups. To keep pp to date on products made or marketed by members of the association, as weil as by non-members, a Hit of trade names of industrial insulation products manufactured by association member*.and non-members', 'competitive .products has been prepared for use by the committee* A special listing cf plastic foam, producers,. some of which vx are presdati and.all of. which are potential suppliers of foamed plastic ^ industrial insulations, is being developed also* Copies are submitted \ for your reference. . the Committee will continue its work in. developing and exploring potential raarkets and developing new end uses for products manufactured by the membership, and suggesting new products to serve its markets, and will report its progress to the Association, Comments and suggest ions regarding Its work are most welcome* MC 422030 B Oi0S 3 TECHNICAL fc RESEARCH COMMITTEE REPORT Mr. R* C* Fariett, Technical Advisor, reported on the activities of the Cotnmirto is accordance with the report attached hereto and made part of these Minutes* ROCK k SLAG SECTION REPORT Chairman F* L* Loss reported on the activities of the Committee in accordance with the report attached hereto and made part of these Minutes* GLASS SECTION REPORT Chairmen C E* .Erast reported on the activities of the Committee. in accordance with the report attached hereto and made part df these Minutes. , ' MOLDED SECTION REPORT '' Mr* R* C* Parlett reported on the activities of the Committee in accordance with the report attached hereto and made part of these Minutes*. **** '* J With respect to the Cold Study that is being conducted at West Virginia University, Mr* Barnhart is to contact the University and determine the reason for the slowdown in the study, and work with the Technical and Research Committee to get the information the Onivertity may ^tfisire* ' ... * ' The 'Street of export packaging was deferred -tothe -Board of Directrj i meeting*. '* * e* ' * A &m reZatfng to the goyommont's policy on pricing restrictions was shown* ' REMARKS OF LEGAL COUNSEL After viewing with the members the A* M*A. motion picture ofan Interview with Attorney General Kennedy, Bradley Wails, legal counsel, addressed the meeting briefly* Mr* Walls noted some of the implica tions la the remarks of the Attorney General* He observed that the Civil Demand Bill which is pending before Congress would give the MC 422O30 B 0009 9 justice Department a powferftfi ttfdl for dei&lUd examixation and invest igation of private business* Tfcb aafe^iaifd# of calling a grind jury and having subpeonhe issued to produce documents and testimony might be abused by Issuing a so-called 'Civil Demand1 if this bill passes. Responding to Government investigations is expensive and time consum ing and a plague of investigations made possible by the Civil Demand Bill may well be anticipated* Mr. Walls noted the Attorney General's accent on the evils of business and fraud on 'free enterprise as we see it. * Without denying that business fraud does occur* Mr. Walls urged the members to defend and speak oat for vigorous competition in business and not to be stampeded by allegations of fraud. Silimarly Mr. Walls wondered whether 'free enterprise as we see it' means that the Justice Department favors small business and distrusts big business. ADJOURNMENT There being no further business The meeting was adjourned. Respectfully submitted M. Barnhart > j .ui -* : j 8..' . s MC 422038 B 88 iy TECHNICAL & RESEA^H COMMITTEE REPORT ' ' V ;* Since toe September U NZMA AanuaiMeetiag the activities c the Technical & Research Committee have included the fallowing: ` ' September 21 - T U R joint meeting'of Rock & Slag and Glass Sections in New York* . i September 21 - T 8t R Molded Section meeting in New York* September 22 - T & R combined meeting of Rock & Stag* Glass'dnd Molded Sections in New York, September 24 - 2?ASTM C-16 Committee Meeting, Williamsburg, Va, October 23 '' Mr, Barnhart delivered a talk on low temperature work before the Truck Trailers Associatiba ait the feoliseuia, ' New York, N, Y. October 26 - T k R Glass Section Meeting In Chicago,' IU; ' November 30 - /T k R Special Committee Meeting in New York on Common Method of Presentation of NIMA^inVolatioa' Thicknesses1V agreed on basic 'factor to be used, //" November 30 -N^tr, Barnhart^ on recommendation of the' Magnesia/ manufacturers, wrote. Mr, Hardd Storming, Dept/of the Navy, that NIMA opposed toe elimination of 85$ Magnesium from Spec MfL-Z-2782c.as proposed in their, letter of October iff, for* the purpose of simplifying their, stocking, December 4- Special Committee Meeting of Glass Section in Albany, N, Y, and decided with Ni .Y, State O^iclals on a test** project; / December S - Government T k & Committee held A 3rd meeting this year la'Washington, .'D, C.> with CSorerta^rtrai 'Eagihecre, Mr, Barnhart Had perviously been Sdvised fey letter that BRAS have adopted the NXMA Economic Thickness Manual as a basis for insulation thicknesses to all'Goverament agencies, December 30 - T & R Special Committee on Conductivity Apparatus Calibration repotted progress in that* $ but of tKe 4 participating laboratories have completed their second round of tests. Detailed Minutes of meeting havw Seen issued and form a pert of this Report, Chairmen Lose and Ernst w02 report later on the activities of their sections while X will report sow as Chairman of toe Government section on that meeting as well as other general subjects. In Mr, Hoopes1 absence I will also report for him for toe Molded Section, NO 422030 B 0011 z CPVSRNMENT T It it MEETING - DECEMBER 5 - WASHINGTON, D,C, This meeting was well attended by government engineers fro 11 agencies and 13 representatives of 9 NIMA member companies. Tbe subject pre sented and discussed was the paper prepared by the Technical Advisor entitled 'A Guide or Criteria for Preparation of Thermal Insulation Specifications1'. Government engineers took an active part in the discuss ion and raised many questions regarding the wording of government specifications, variations In specification, requirements between different government agencies, the need for uniform definitions, methods of test and correction of other inconsistencies. For the benefit of the government people a review of NIMA activities in the revision of ASTM specifications was given* The entire list of Federal, Military and Maritime Insulation specifications were then reviewed and the status of each specification determined as to which was obsolete, being revised or in need of revision and various government departments agreed to speed up revision where such had been requested by NIMA or others* Other subjects of general nature allied to specifications were discussed or deferred for future meetings* A number of Government people expressed their opinions that this had been a most constructive meeting. ASTM C-16 MEETING, SPSTEMBER Z4 - 37, WILLIAMSBP&G, VA* NIMA was reprssented by Mr* Barnhart and the writer who has recently joined as a (non-voting) member* A number of specifications presented by Mr* Barnhart for NIMA covering Magnesia, Amosite,.Mineral Fiber, etc*, were acted upon by the Committee or Subcommittee depending on the status of the revisions* Other specificatioas on Methods of Test and Practices for Pipe Fit and Trueness of Squareness of Pipe & Block are being actively worked upon by NIMA T members on the various ASTM Subcommittees of C-16* All of these specifications are first reviewed by N2MA T&R Committee, ft should be noted that the increase in the number of insulation products / made it necesfcary for ASTM C-36 to confine the scope of Sub S~1 on Pipe ' St Block insulations to product specifications only end assign Methods of Test for Pipe It Block Insulations to Committee*?-6 on General Standards* ASTM Committee C-16 will continue to be of major importance to NIMA companies and warrants a continuance of individual company representa tives on the many Subcommittees* NIMA T b R COMMITTEE MEETING - SEPTEMBER ZZ hi this meeting of the combined sections it was decided that any 5'NIMA Recommended Practice" would be circulated to the T b R Committee for letter ballot before final adoption* Mr* Barnhart was asked to Hat all MC 422030 B 00 l 3 that will be seat to the Committee for letter ballot were U) Method of Calculating Heat Losses (at this meeting the final factor needed was agreed upon namely to nee the ASKRAE Guide Data Book heat toes curve for 8" pipe as the basis for an average surface resistance for round and flat surfaces), (2) Definitions Applicable to Thermal Insulation Material (at this meeting a list dated 8/9/61 was discussed and revised'and will be sent out for letter ballot)* Other subjects acted upon at this meeting consisted of {iy Mr* Barnhart reported that GSA had replied to an N1MA Inquiry stating .that .CSA would publish a Federal Standard on insulation' Economic Thickness Cold Study at West Virginia University* Mr* Barnhart reported thatthe Board of Directors had appointed a special committee of T U R to 'determine a common method of presenting the economic thickness table relating to the hot study already published* Aa previously reported this commit*ee has agreed on the basic factors for a common method* (3) Mr* Barnhart reviewed the surety hood situation and reported a meeting with the N Y. State Architect was being considered in th< near future - subject is now dead &a surety bond U still required* <4 ' it was decided that a copy be sent to the various Government Agencies* (this was dose at the^ December 5 Government meeting and the copies also be seat to ASTM Committee on Philosophy of Specifications and to also write a'publicity article around thecriteria, Mr* Barnhart is sending eopiea to the proper parties for these purposes* REPORT-FOR CHAIRMAN HOPPES OF MOLDED SECTION SEPTSMBSIt 2T MEETING*" 1* ' ! " ~"r"*" In reviewing the list of Federal k Military specs for revision or cancella tion it was decided members needed more information so'that in the future Mr* Barnhart agreed to notify members when the monthly supplement of the Federal k Military I^dex indicated revisions to an insulation spec* and to indicate on meeting agendas the statue of NIMA. activity in regard to NIMA recommended changes in specific specifications* It was also agreed any member company working with the Government or ASTM on a new product spec or revision of existing one should advise NXMS so the T & R HC 422638 B 0013 4 Committee's knowledge could be applied toward standardization* Detailed revisions to be recommended in various specifications were reviewed and referred to members to follow* These included spec HH-I-56ic Asbestos Pipe Insulation; MXL-I-0OI5091S Insulation Felt Thermal Asbestos Fiber; HH-I-55la Insulation Block k Pipe Covering Thermal Cellular Glass and ASTM C-312 Recommended practice for Clearance of Preformed Thermal Pipe Insulation* Other matters pertaining to ASTM were the consideration of a further revision of proposed table for nesting sizes of tube insulation and further revision of proposed methods for measuring trueness and squareness of pipe and block Insulations* These matters and the clearance of pipe insulation were all presented and discussed on September Zh by ASTM Sub-8 and further work Is being done on them by that Committee* aa previously noted under ASTM Meeting* Respectfully submitted R* C, Parlett, Chairman Technical k Research Committee : r:*- ' t /; r tIC 422030 B 0014 n* :*?< '* ANNUAL REPORT 1961 ' . ROCK U SLAG SECTION TECHNICAL A RESEARCH COMMITTEE ' ............. NATIONAL INSULATION MANUFACTURERS ASSOC^TlpH New York, N, Y, January'9, 1962 The Rock and Slag Section of the Technical & Research Committee, held three meetings in 1961* These meetings were in conjunction with those of the full committee held March 6* 1961, June 14, iHl and'September 21, 1961'.. * At each of these three trieetikgs* the Rock and Slag Section met with the Glass Section to! review five Federal Specifications' with the view of con solidating them into two specifications and to. enlarge their scope thru the inclusion of glass fiber materials that are not currently covered by the?e Federal Specifications* The specifications being reviewed are the following: HH-1-542* Insulation, Felt,. Thermal, Mineral Wool (for Low , . Temperature), . HH>l-652* Insulation Pipe,Goverlng,. Thermal,. and Insulation '' Blanket,. Thermal, Fipe Covering,............. HH-l-562. Insulation, Thermal, Mineral'Wool,, Block ot Board - - and Pipe Insulation (Molded Type), HH-I-563* isolation, Mineral Wool, Blanket, Felt, and Industrial- ! . Bs*rifor Heated Surfaces)*, . .. HH-I-564,. Insulation,. Mineral WooL Block and Board.(for Heated ' ''' ' V^urfaicee|: . .,.,s* ((i * ( It is proposed that these five specifications be replaced by two specifica tions bearing the following titles: Insulation, Thermal, Mineral Fiber (tor Elevkted Temperatures), Ihsulation, Thermal,. Mineral .Elber (for Xow Temperatures), As can be seen from these tifies, the substitution of "Mineral Fiber4' for the previous use of "Mineral Wool'1 follows the Association policy and enlarges the scope of each specification to include glass fiber materials* The first specification for mineral fiber insulation used at elevated temp eratures covers the following forms, types and classes: HC 422030 8 0015 z Form I - Block or Board - Rigid Material0 Type 1 - '.S', -'iTii'V - Inorganic^ bonded - for use-Rpt,p;l(fo;F Type 12 - Organic Bonded - for use up to 700 F* \' ' Type d - Organic .bonded for useto 4b0 F,;,* *' .............................. * .. ,.V . Form-2.- Blankets and Felts -Flexible and Semi-Rigid MateHals Type I - Metal-Meah Covered Blankets Class A - For use up to 1200 F, Class B - For use up to 1000- F. Type 2 - Resilient Flexible Blankets - for use up to 400 F Type d -- Felt, Semi-Rigid - for use up to 400 F, Type IV - Industrial Batt, Flexible - for use up to 2000 F. Form d-Fipe Insulation *3 ..................^.{ Type X - Molded - for use up.to 370 F, .. : Type U - Blanket-Type . a' Class A - Metal-Mesh Covered - for use up to 1200 F. Glass B - Metal-Me8k Covered - for use up to 100Q F. Class c - Resilient, Flexible - for use up to 700 F, The second proposed specification covers the following forms'and types: Form l - Block or Board - Rigid Materials ,, a-- . *. Type I * Organic Bonded -Xoad Bearing Type n - Organic Bonded - Non-load Bearing Form II - Blankets and Felts - Flexible and Semi-Rigid Materials Type 1 - Resilient, Flexible Blankets * Type 2 - Felt, 'Serni-Ttiglk Form d - Pipe Ihsulatioa . Type I - Molded . 2a each specification appropriate values are given for combustibility, alkalinity, thermal conductivity, temperature of use, density, compres-. sive strength, breaking strength, linear shrinkage, standard sizes, and dimensional tolerances where ever applicable, to the specific forms, types or classes. In these proposed, specifications, definitions* are given for "Rigid Materials, Semi-Rigid Materials end Flexible Materiala M /*? 422050 B 0016 3 At the present time, the final drafts of these proposed specifications are being revised by members of the Rock and Slag Section and of the Glass Section* In addition to the major undertaking given in detail above* the Rock and Slag Section prepared revisions to ASTM Specifications C-281, Mineral Fiber M ided Type Pipe Insulation, and C-392, Mineral Fiber Block or Board Insulation for Elevated Temperatures* The revisions to these specifications have been presented to ASTM C-16, Committee 5-1 for letter ballot* The members of the Section were given the opportunity to comment upon the proposed revisions to U* S Department of Commerce, Maritime Administration Specification 32-MA-ib end to comment upon the proposed interim amendment to Federal Specification HK-1-562, Insolation, Thermal, Mineral Wool, Block or Board and Pipe Insulation. Paul L, Lose, Chairman Rock Sc Slag Section MIMA, Technical Sc Research Com, ' ' ,'T 1 '* * < '.`TO,- MC 422050 B 601? ."cvr ?r,r ................... .... NTMA GLASS SECTION ' ^ V ' ? . REPORT FOR MEETING OB .JANUARY..9, XHZ {/' There has been necombined Technical Committee meeting sinfc* the ' ' Directors1 meeting of September 11* At this meeting on September 21, the Glass Section is conjunction with the Rock Sc Slag Section did further woHe os revisions to Federal andASTM specification# as, repotted in the Minutes.' . . i .... . ............... < On October 2b the Glass.Section met in Chicago fb* further work os product identification* -O. D, pipe Insulation*. perfrmarice, .standards for f^cinga, and revisions to MIL-I-22344, MEL-I-742A and MlL-i-22023, as* reported in the Minutes. .. ? -- ...... n addition, and d primary: importance, the Glass Septiqn was.charged with writing a specification for recommendedihT^iiesees forth use of. fibrous glass pipe insulation, at low temperatures for preaeniafioti to the. New York.&afee Engineer** /......... - .*, ;,1^..... . \ .v The committee was able t* complete a specification outline and agree os three standard conditions-forthicfcnesse s; namely,. JOE and 90* 85. and 80% RH, Later in New Torinocsuni$<ee membera.^^ed.thrbu^.several .' specification drafts befo^e-.firmi^g dow^ a draft for presentation to N*w Yolk State, This draft contained thicknesses based only on 90JT and 90% RH as being safe for most of the State** service conditions* As reported in the Minutps tiatej DeceihfojR 6,.'.t^e specifica^ipn .v^s pj&-' noted to the Statp personiie^.gtt, i j^Lepiipg.fk.Albany, op pecember^*. TWe had hoped at this time to present in addition to a'letter from Whiff U *v Murder,' lnc, relating the successful use of fibrous glass at low tempera tures, a.H^ofjbh^ccgnpilftdhy, the member*,,, A. p*ytfcd7lis has since. been submitted*-: :: l Jz/y.*. -V' f,,, ^ ^ * In general* .the St^e .g^p. aep^ed.tp/^nd the/sM^ficaHozi acceptable* However* Mr, Cloke, the Chief Mechanical Ea^neer/YS;0*T^'W*, insisted that hydraulic-setting cement fitting insulation be delated from the specification* He requested tt^at we supply, additional thicknesses coveting the range from ^E and.90% RH dbwa tb 90F and 70% RH* This request was fulfilled by submitting additional thicknesses in this range in 5% RH steps* As it was not possible in this meeting for the State group to consider the specification in detail, we asked that they submit to us in writing their detailed comments so that we might revise the specification accordingly* MC 422030 B 0010 2 As yet these comments have not been received. the Directors1 meeting on September II, it was recommended that the Technical Committee determine & common method of presenting economic thickness tables relating to the elevated temperature manual, A com* mifetee of three appointed tor this task established three industry categories and a set of basic conditions. However, in testing the conditions by the manual procedure, it was found that there was reason to question the table of B factors. Therefore, this was brought to the attention of West Virginia Univeristy by letter, We are still awaiting a reply. \ Since the laet meeting of the liasion committee on the low temperature study at West Virginia Univeristy, we have been advised that as soon as cost information has been received then work should resume shortly. The special committee on Criteria for Prefabricated Duct Systems, Duct Liners and Duct Wrap completed this assignment by September 1 and sub mitted copies to the principals for consideration. In their letter of submittal the committee asked for direction as td what further action should;be taken,.. To date no replies have been received, ` v*. C. B, ERNST , v HC 422030 B 001 -MINUTES * of the *'* PUBLICITY COMMITTEE MEETING Of t}5 NATIONAL INSULATION MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION New York; N. Y. 31. 19*1 The meeting*was held at Sumner Rider & Associatee* office in New York, at 10:15 A, M,, with the following in attendance: J. Ci Affleck, Chairman ~ > Vince McKenna S. .C. 3gar . > - * G* R. Medinnus Sumner Rider Ji Baer. O, Shaftel , .; Keasbey 5:'Mattison Co. > Johns-Maaville Sales Corp, Baldwin-Ehret-Kill, Inc. *' Owens-Coming Fiherglas Corp. Sumner Rider & Associates Sutnser Ridor fc Associates Sumner Rider & Associates Mr. -J. M. Barnhart of NIMA was absent due to a;death in his family. * ** J' ; * Xho meeting was held to discuss the 1962 budget and activities that* should be planned and executed in the months ahead. I, Project6 to .be completed in 1961 (a\ A letter signed.by Baas. .K* .Muller and a aingle page enclosure describing the Economic Thickness concept and the availability of the NIMA Manual will be mailed in November to 600 top indastrial coxporation presidents, based on a FORTUNE Magazine list,: (b) A mailing promoting the .Economic Thickness Manual will be sent in November to NIMA's mailing list of U, 000 plant engineers and other Insulation prospects. (c) Publicity oa the Economic Thickness concept and Manual will be: Beni to 60 Engineering College magazines to reach student engineers, of long-range benefit. Engineering College pro fessors who teach mechanical engineering and college librarians will be contacted by direct mail to solicit orders for the Economic Thickness Manual. It was recommended industry libraries be contacted by mail also. NC 422030 B 0020 2* Projects for 1962 (aj A plan is to be prepared on bow wg can promote Economic . \ Thickness at regional meetings of the Insulation Distributor- " Contractora National Association* ** t (b) It was agreed that we would strive to further promote Economic Thickness as a means of furthering sales of insulation and obtain as many case history'stories as possible for publicising* (c) Preliminary planning is to be done for the publication and publicizing of the Economic Thickness Manual for low* temperature insulation when it is ready* . (d) As a substitute for direct mail, we propose to institute a program of providing member companies with reprints of publicity at cost, with suggestions of ways in which they can use such material in direct, mail to their customers* (e) Member companies will be asked for names of interested key persons within their, organisations to whom we can distribute reports and samples of NIMA publicity releases* * 3, Re-examination of NEMA "Marketing" Objectives In order to plan effective publicity it is necessary for the Association to state its objectives* What, basically, is the Association trying to accomplish collectively, which, in turn will benefit all of its members? After these years, HAe-time we tookanother.-look at our objectives* Whether they have changed in the light of e^pprie'nc} whether they are being aided or met by publicity. Then;#& can strengthen our approach to the problem* Accordingly, we shall prepare a questionnaire and circulate it to N1MA Board members asking questions which, will help this Committee and its publicity counsel focus attention on NIMA*8 present and future objectives, specifically. Wo hope to air the ideas at the-January Meeting* We plan to design the publicity program around the reaching of specific NIMA "Marketing" objectives* MC 422030 B 0021 3 4, The 1962 Publicity Budget It was the Committee1a cocaensue of opinion that we would operate on a budget oft Fee - $21,000. AXL Other Expenses - $6,000. Total - $27,000. There was a discussion with Sumner Eider on the subject of reducing the fee. Because, cf rising costs and the number of man-hours devoted to the NZMA account, Sumner could see no way of reducing the fee. Respectfully submitted J, C. Affleck MC 422O30 8 002 ' Ml&VTES - ' e : TRAFFIC COMMITTEE MEETING A joint meeting of the Traffic Committees' of the Natioosi .fasuiaiioa Jyktou- faciurers Association and the National Minesal Wool Association was held at the BelrnontPlasa^ New York, N. Y*`, beginning at 9:30 A^M,, November 9* I96l. The'foUbte&g: were in attendance: :*. v Jules Esmie W.'D. Brown G, A, Csfcth ' A* X Wallner. L. 3? Ffonetet Jy J Horrigah A. C. Pecora K.* L, Sodergren D. R. Vandermyde J, M. Barnhart H, 2L Reaves,' Jr. V/ood Conversion Company Wood Conversion Company Raberoid rCompany .Johns**Manyille Sales Corp. National Gypsum Company'. : Owens-Coming Fiberglas Corp.' Pittsburgh Plate Glass Co* Gustin-Bacon MXg. Co. _* U. S, Gypspm Company NIMA / Pittsburgh Plate.Glass- Co*. SUBJECT I (NATIONAL CLASSIFICATION BOARO'OOCKET 99,.. SUBJECT 7* , AND;bOCgE'T 101, SUBJECT 11- . y. * The proposal under Docket 101 supersades that proposed in backed 99* &nd' if combined would have the effect of doubling, in some instances, and tripl ing, in others, the freight rates on many of our products, particularly those products manufactured of mineral wool. It was agreed to make our pre sentation to-the classificatibn Voafcd by opposing all aspects of the proposal, ' particulariy ahy adjustment id^ttie 'ratings on a density basis**.*" r .` ^ *' i.v y - , y * While making'oua^ preseaisiieo fb the bdard>i it'wardiscovered that-thcr,*,; proposal was placed on the docket as a result of complaints from short-haul carriers combined with the fact that some shippers had been describing insulation products on the bills of lading with descriptions subject to a 92-1/2 or 77-2/2 rating that carried a density of approximately 2 pounds* The board agreed to withhold action on this'proposal,if.our shipper group would review these various complainta and arrive at some satisfactory conclusion for appropriate descriptions* The members of our committee in attendance gathered that we successfully opposed this proposal and if any increase is received at all during the coming year it will be directed toward products that should be Increased to ratings no higher than Class 125* After the board furnishes their data to ue we plan to hold a meeting for an appropriate NC 422050 & 0025 2 discussion and then arrange to moot with the board sometime after that* We doubt that our meeting with the board will occur before next spring* SUBJECT it (RAIL CLASSIFICATION DOCKET 207, SUBJECT iSZh The rail classification committee proposed density ratings on insulating material* NOtBN, the same as how applicable In the motor classification* The majority of shippers are not affected by this proposal, but it is a copy of the motor classification* and could grow to include other insulating materials that would cause a serious increase In freight charges* Wood Conversion Company was the only company represented that would be affected by this proposal* and we suggested a specific listing of matted wood wool rather than the present description cd insulating material* NOIBN, This would satisfy Wood Conversion and the Committee* It also appeared to satisfy the classification group, and we consider our presentation a satisfactory conclusion. MISCELLANEOUS In a discussion at lunch it was felt that each of the.companies represented on the committee should invite a representative of their Sales department when the agenda carries any proposal of national importance* We feel that these representatives willlearn a great deal from these meeting and re sult in a far greater understanding of transportation problems as they affect their respective companies. Respectfully submitted H, B. Reaves* Jr. Chairman* Traffic Committee >' MC 422030 B 0024 MINUTES of the MARKETING RESEARCH COMMITTEE MEETING NATIONAL INSULATION MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION Washington, D, C October 3, 1961 The meeting was called to order at 9:15 A. M, with the following la attendance: J . Roberge, Chairman S, I. Aires T. S. Bassett I. P. Conway H. Grulver G. Goll . R. Leeffier J. M, Barnhart Ow-ene^Coming Fiherglas Corp, Guetin-Bacon Manufacturing Co, Jofans-Manvilie Sales Corp, Pittsburgh Plate <3as* Co, Keaabey & Mattison Company Keaabey It MatHaca Company Pittsburgh Plate Glass Co, NIMA PRODUCT LIST OF TRADE NAMES The list of product trade names was reviewed by Mr, Aires, and will be completed and distributed at the next Committee meeting, MARKET END USE Mr, I, Conway will revise the list in accordance with the discussion that took place and will he presented at the next Committee meeting. The Committee ia of the opinion that statistical reporting should be on tills basis once a year, PRODUCT DEFINITIONS Mr, Barnhart reported that he will send the Committee of the list of product definitions that had been approved by the T & R Committee, PHYSICAL UNITS The Committee is of the opinion that the statistical reports should include physical units on a once a year basis. MC 422030 B 0025 2 JOINT INDUSTRY U GOVERNMENT REPORTING Messrs* B. D, Kaplan and C. L, Gram, of the Business and Defense Services Administration, and C. Wildes 'and K, Willis of the Bureau of Census were introduced to the Committee, Discussion with representatives of the Bureau of Census revealed that they would be willing, within limitations, to modify the Census of Manufactures reporting forms pertaining to insulating materials* Mr* B, Kaplan indicated that the Business and Defense Services Administration could make surveys for the industry at a cost dependent upon the scope of the prefect* *e * * A letter will be written to the Bureau of Census and the Business and Defease Services Administration outlining NIMA'a thoughts with regard to modification of the- Census of Manufactures Reports and the types of construction statistics program that might be desirable, OTHER BUSINESS It was agreed that the next meeting of the Committee will be on November 14, ini in New York, N. Y. Included on the Agenda for the meeting will be; 1* Presentations for the NIMA January Meeting, Each Committee member is to prepare a presentation on the assignments they have been working on throughout the year* 2* Economic outlook for 1962* Each Committee member is to prepare such a report for collation at the meeting* ADJOURNMENT There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned* Respectfully submitted HC 422030 8 0020 f *1:' - MINUTES of the ' MARKETING RESEARCH COMMITTEE* MEETING NATIONAL. INSULATION MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION New York, N4* Y/ * November 28# 1961 The meeting wee called to* 'Ordek at 9?30 A. M. with the following in attendance: <' * * ." * J, E, Robafge,_Cha|rttha.`v . : ,; ,r Owens-Corning Fiberglas Corp* j# P. Conway . ^ : Pittsburgh Plate Glass Company H Gruher Keasbey & Mattiaon Company J,.M* Barnhart' ' . NIMA u : y. PRODUCT. LIST OF TRADE NAMES v. ' ; t y;: j*;m . The list of product trade names has been completed and the N1MA cffice will . make enough copies for distribution at the January % 1962 meeting* MARKET END USE :.v- - . *: / v.. ,-v y The; list of.market,end uses, haa been completed and ia attached hereto. The.fallowing assignments were made to prepare forecastst s' - i .7;7 . . . *''/ ' * *''' 3?rocesa htdustties '*" v J8* Gruher, Chairman ;;t a>>;J: * . s : . ; 7 .*/ *; v'***.v . /.* v; r.v., ,* T, S, Bassett >' -"i JpTPi-TCoaway" ~r : s': . y 7 rp -;.p - * ~i^** Central Power Stations 8c Substations S j Aires, Chairman R. F. Goeke .- J,*eVKobarge /:5w.v.c\ y : V \ 1 ;->v?ftT yxiv, ; vu '* r.-. . </c.iv **,; This assignment ii to'Se cOThpUfed by December,3J> 1961^.:* : PRODUCT DEFINITIONS . - 3: The list of product definitions has been completed and is attached hereto* MC 422030 B 002? z PHYSICAL UNITS The list of physical units has been completed end is attached hereto* ECONOMIC OUTLOOK FOR 196g It was voted to eliminate this project at the present time, and reports /or subsequent years will he worked on when related projects are completed* ADJOURNMENT There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned* Respectfully submitted J M. Barnhart r MC 422030 B 0028 . . f, * ii * ; ll/28/il * .}u \ j a\ t: ; ; .r;:; *-- r* . , , . .* 'NATIONAL INSULATION MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION 1 -END USE MARKET CLASS0*ICATIC3^ :* FOR THERMAL INSULATING MATERIALS 1. Construction .......... .) * * ' *' > J >" , . - ... * /; *, \ > * > (a) Manufacturing ffhg&Sing power plants,'1 wa&house's'And`appurtenant structures located on manufacturing sites} Primary Ferrous Metal Industrial - Primary Non-Ferrous Metal Industires - Fabricated Metal Product MadadnOry - Equipment1- Supplies * LuijibSE'shd ; Wood Working-- Ordnance and. Accessories -"-Other Me^Hanicii -r Industry Buildings - Industrial Service Buildings Precision Goods - Other Misceilaneoue Mlg, Building - Rubber Products Test&e Frdducts Leather and Leather Products. * - * j *- : * * - M Cdbtral Power Stations aad~Subs^tiBS'{encluding ttbee attached ~ to manufacturing) where insolation U applied ai the `sift Cor7 ;J . , appara&a-used to iebdlrate p#wer.`***,r ** '*'*' i *' i- 4 '* (c) Process Industriea, where site-applied insulation tor hot or cold 4 tiraaife* the' aazftQ *otd point # orfgi^'id j&fifi'of trfeage7?bale^dr consumption, includes: Chemical end Allied Products - Food and'fedred;P^oiiucta: *_ fa|^rvind AlliSd^roducts - Refineries - Other FroceSJf li^i'atry'Build^iglB,' " .. vs*r* - :\{J f v-tAtc? >** V"-'- - Z'vtU' j I 'Ov - (d) Cold Sto^fe*"- as ;fej5tTd$V,:SVtteds* Go^^onH {excludes tXeittel) ~ * ^-r* jv'-:* ** - . : ?i - " v, T "'\ * *< - ?v*^-e - ib* r,*> e;yj <e) cd^Wlg%ute'in'gg^^aipg ^dre#,'Bhnl&i -Garages, Tran&pdrtatlon Terminal Buildings, Hotels. Motels. ^" Theaters and Amusement. Telephone, Telegraph. Radio and Tele vision Stations. Public Administration. Post Office and Miscellane ous Public Buildings* .U'Ln:v ;:;c : .;r-/r,? ' . {) fnstltetionaLBuUdingg includes Religious* *PVisehs^ Hopsitals. Vi* (g) Multiple Dwellings including Apartmeats. Dormitories. Barracks and Other Shelter* (h) Other Ccnatructlon induding missile bases, navy yards, hangers and other*. NC 422039 B 0929 * r XL Transportation Where insulation products are used for preservation of the cargo or personal comfort and safety; of passengers,.. 2 (a) Automotive (bj Truck Trailer; (c) Railroad * HL Manufactured Products (d) Marine <e) Aircraft fc Missiles (f) Other Products or equipment where the insulation is installed in the raanu- * - faeturet* as an Integral part of the product or equipment* * 'i ' : (a) Domestic Appliances or Equipment such as refrigerators, freeaers, *' *.*.' ranges, hot water heaters, furnaces, boilers, air conditioners, roasters, incinerators, etc,, commonly used in the home* (b) Commercial and Industrial Equipment is Interpreted.^ Include . food display caservice cream freezer units,.laundry presses,, * industrial dryers, heat treated ovens, boilers, furnaces,; dairy sterilizers, etc,, used in commercial or industrial establishments, (c) Buildings including homes, . commercial andihduBtrtal-'hMildinga y . which are icsuiattfdatthe manufacturers plapt'r.sudh as curtain .wall n^^acture,* m^iMe;i^e.^or. ^rtiHQa8V'raobile.homeg, sandwich panel manufacturers, aluminum side manufacturers, tv. ' in:,/. , * . '.' . . : * , . . IV, Export ~ >( ',-v . -yjs. y ?. r, . *: ` : x v, " T- - ' :i1' * *,,-.X * Insulation products for shipment outside the United States* (except : fexclusions noted below). >.r ? . , ' ;Vi '."jix. i /* ,, V r , V. Other ____ ' : :<*: ,o, NOTE - Exclusions i U "' * members wd2i^>ot;report sale of hjsulatioaproducts.for use ins. . f 1 v* 1. Building (home) insulation \;; .s -V-'* 2, Acoustical'insulation; (invading butts for^metal pan and baffles) , ! c,*.. - ; i *.r Inclusions Where end-use markets overlap, the major end use will rule: such as: 1, plant and job site combined, 2, Maintenance and new construction combined, 3, Construction includes appurtenant buildings such as warehouse, power plants, etc. tiC 422030 B 0030 11/28/61 MIMA 3TATETICAL REPORTING V PHYSICAL UNITS PRODUCT GROUP A <a) Pipe - Linear Feat Up thru 3" d - EPS Over 3" d thru 8" d - IPS Over 6" d - IPS (a) Block It Lagging - Board Feet (c) Cement - pounds PRODUCT GROUP B * (a) Loose1 fc Granulated - Pound* x (b) Blocks it Boards - Board Feet (c) Pipe - Linear Feet . ' Up thru 1-1/2" d * IPS .Over 1-1/2" d thru 3" d - IPS ! Over 3" d thru 8" d - IPS Over 8" d - EPS . - .. . (d) Cement - Pounds s} (e) Blankets {flexible) - Pounds Under i pci 1 pcf toj bt* apt including 2 pet ^ 2 pcir and over * {f) Metal-Reinforced Blankets - Pounds (g) Felt - Pounds . , ' 4*1/4 jef and under Over 4-l'M pel *............................ MC 422030 B 0031 MINUTES of the TECHNICAL Sc RESEARCH COMMITTEE MEETING NATIONAL INSULATION MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION New Yolk* N* Y, September 22* 1961 The meeting was celled to order at 9:50 with the following In attendance: H. P, Hoopss* Chairman W, Acker L, L. Collogne D. Davis C Ernst W,. Gubar P. L, Lobbo . R. F. McKee V, L, Miller E, Ott." X. M* .Ritchie R. L, Schneider Vf, R, Seipt W, P. Sinclair R, C. Parlett J. M, Barnhart Fibreboard Paper Products Corp, Jobna-Manville Sales Corp, Mundet Cork Corp, The Ruberold Company Johhs-Manville Sales Corp, GuafcfcwBaeon Mg, Company The Eagie-picher Company Baldwin-Ehret-Hd, toe. Pittsburgh Corning Corp, Keashey- A Mattisoa Company Baldwin-Ehret-HUl* Inc, . Oweas-Coralag Fibergi&s Corp, Keasbey & Mattiscn Company Union Asbestos & Rubber Company NIMA N3MA BASIS OF CALCULATING HEAT LOSSES* 1 2 3 Previously, the Committee has agreed to the following pertaining to cal** culatiag heat lessee: 1. Heat.loss calculations should be based on an SO F still air ambient temperature. 2. r* s outside radius of steel pipe according to standard pipe manufacturer* stable, 3. tg -_rj_ s& xywhere at is the insulation thickness as taken from MIL-1-2781C (Insulation Pipe Covering* Thermal), Following discussion Hie Committee agreed that the heat loss curve that appears in the ASH HAS "Guide and Data Book" for 8 inch round pipe shall be used as a basis for determining the average surface resistances MC 422030 a 00 2 BASIS OF CALCULATING HBAT LOSSES (ceafldL for figuring heat lose from round and flat surfaces* These facts will he circulated to the Committee for letter ballot *** a was decided that any NXMA "Recommended Practice" would be circulated to the Committee for letter ballot* Mr. Barnhart was ashed to catalogue all NIMA "Recommended Practices"* and send it to the Committee and Board of Directors* DEFINITIONS The list of definitions applicable to thermal insulating materials dated 6/9/61 was discussed* The revised list including a definition for Insulating Finishing Cement will be sent to the Committee for letter ballot* FEDERAL STANDARD FOR TEST METHODS Mr* Barnhart reported that the General Services Administration in reply to an inquiry from NIMA relative to the procedure to follow necessary to establish a Federal Standard bn Test Methods relating the insulating materials would welcome such a document* NIMA would have to write the document and send it to GSA for promulgation. ECONOMIC THICKNESS STUDY Mr* C E* Ernst reviewed the discussions that had taken place at a meeting of the Steering Committee* West Virginia University and Union Carbide'relative to tike eold-etady* Mr* Barnhart reported that the Board of Directors has asked that the T & R Committee determine a common method of presenting the economic thickness tables relating to the hot study which has been.published* . A special committee* consisting of Messrs* C. E, Ernst* Chairman* K* M* Ritchie and R* L* Schneider* was appointed to study the subject and determine the basic conditions that should be set up* their recom mendations are to be submitted to the Committee prior to December 1* 196i, . SURETY BOND Mr* Barnhart reviewed the surety bond situation and reported that a meeting with the New York State Architect was in consideration in the near future* MC 422030 B 0033 3 OTHER BUSINESS 1, Mr. Parletthad prepared "A Guide or Criteria for the Preparation of Insulation Specifications". A draft has been circulated to the Committee for comment* Comments should be seat to the NXMA Office by November 1, 1961. Based on these comments, it was suggested that the following be done with the criteria: 1. A copy should be sent to the various Government Agencies. 2. A copy should be sent to the A5TM C-16 Committee On Philosophy Of Specifications. 3. A publicity article should be written around the criteria. ADJOURNMENT There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned. Respectfully submitted HC 422030 8 0034 MINUTES of the TECHNICAL & RESEARCH COMMITTEE MEETING NATIONAL INSULATION MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION New York, N. Y* September 21, 1961 Molded Section Chairmen H* P. Hoopoe called the meeting to order at 9:30 A, M* , with the following in attendance: Vi , ' H p. Hoopes, Chairman b., A, .-Davie . '-v V* L* Miller ' W; P. Sinclair W, R, Seipt E* F* at, Jr* 1^ L% CoUonge R, C*. Farlefet R*, F. McKee R; L, Schneider W, vr, Acher Fibreboard Paper Prodtfcte Corp* The Ruberoid Company Pittsburgh Corning Corp, Union Asbestos k Rubber Company Keasbey c Mattieon Co, . Keasbey ,Sc .MattUonCo* Muadet Cork Company NIMA - . . *, 1' * * Baldwin-Ehret-Hill, hie* Qwens-Gorning FibergiaS Corp* Jdfane-Manvllie Sales Corp* . A. . Review of Federal and Military Specs, Aa attempt to review Federal and Military Specs to decide wMt& shouId be revised or cancelled, brought out the fact that In many cases the members of the Molded Section do not receive notice of government revision at the time these revisions are f&st'pQbHshed* . in some cases comndttee^members-were. not <tp to date on the latest action which NIMA had taken with regard to certain speci fications* Following a general discussion of this problem, Mr* Barnhart agreed to: 1* Notify committee members when he notes revisions to specif{cations of interest in the Federal and Military Index, published yearly with . a monthly supplement; 2* Provide NIMA members with.the status of NIMA activities in regard to NIMA recommended changes la specific specs* This status to appear on meeting agendas. Following discussion it was agreed that in those cases where individual companies are working with the government or A5TM on new product specifications or revision of existing specifications, that NIMA should be advised of this fact and the proposed revision, so that the committee's WC 422030 B 0035 tatewlcdge could be applied toward standardization, NIMA has recommended revisions to the government agency concerned'for the following specifications: a, MIL-I-2781'c, dated 15 February i960. Changes recommended January 9* 196J* b, HH-I-523a* dated October 14, I960* Changes recommended December 2, 4960, c, MXL-I-002819-Bi dated 26 January I960* Changes recommended August 25, I960* A9 far as is know, the government has taken no official action on the recommended changes as of this date* Mr* Sinclair reported that Unarco is currently working with the government to revise HH-l-56lc, to include material for use at 1200 F* The density in this revision wiU be the same as currently specified by ASTM,- Mr* Parlett pointed out the desirability of giving three conductivity values in order to permit drawing of a conductivity curve* Mr* Sinclair agreed to . observe this recommendation* B, Definitions The list of definitions as revised by Messrs* Ritchie and Barnhart were reviewed and additional changes suggested* These changes were accepted by the entire Technical and Research Committee on the following day and further changes as recommended by the Glass Section were incorporated* The final revision as agreed upon by the T h R Committee, is appended to these minutes, 2t should be noted that a definition for Insulating-Finish ing Cement still requires composition by Messrs, Barnhart end Ritchie* C* . MlL-1-0015091B Insulation, Felt* Thermal Asbestos Fiber Mr* Sinclair reported the following revisions were being worked out this Mr* Chilcote* * Paragraph ^, 2 - Reference to A3TM 3S5-54T will be included Paragraph 3# 3.5 - Thermal Conductivity Three values for each type will be specified as fdlowe: Type A - * 47, * 62 and * 76 at a mean temperature of 100, 300 and 500 F respectively* Type B - .44, * 455 and 47 at a mean temperature of 30, 75 and 100 F respectively* Paragraph 4* 2* 2 will be deleted* MC 422030 B 0036 Mr. Parlett suggested the following changes in the interest of accuracy, uniformity and clarity; Paragraph s 2-1 Construction, Substitute ''felt" instead of , "sheet*'. Paragraph 3.1,2 Type B. Change "suitable repellent agent" to "suitable water repellent agent", Paragraplr3,2,4 Water absorption - Delete this paragraph since as with all materials of this type, water is absorbed readily. Paragraph 3,6 Workmanship - Delete the wording "The workmanship shall be first class in every respect" and substitute the words "Workmanship shall be such that the material contains no visual defects which would affect its service quality. Paragraph 4,4,5 Vibration - Delete this test since it has no meaning without a description of the test apparatus*. Paragraph 6,1,2 should read "Type B Insulation", etc, {delete Type A) D, HH-I-55ia Insolation, Block and Pipe Covering, Thermal Cellular Glass Mr* Miller reported that negotiations with the government are still under way regarding revision of this specification, and that Pittsburgh Coming hat agreed to delete the thickness recommendation contained in fids specifica- - ties and also to delate C 177 procedure included in this specification def ence to C-177 will be made* Reference will also-be made to the compressive test developed by A5TM Committee C-14, E, A5TM C~3i2 Recommended Practice for Clearance of Preformed Thermal Pipe Emulation -. ASTM is currently considering the revision of this specification to include Thermal Preformed Pipe Insulation for temperatures up to 1200 F instead of 400 Pws now written, it was generally felt that the present recommended clearances in C-312 were not adequate for temperatures between 600 end 1200 F, in view of the pipe expansion which occurs at these temperatures and also the norms! variation in outside diameter of iron pipe* 2t was pointed .out that MIMA has already recommended that the plus tolerances in 2791C be increased by 1/32 of an Inch, Mr, Seipt proposed and it was agreed that the laser diameter tolerances as specified in 2781C, with the 1/32 increase in plus tolerance be substituted for the present clearance# recommended in C 312* This revision* as proposed by Seipt would be for temperatures up to 1200 ?, & was further suggested tint Mr* Barnhart include tables showing the expansion which occurs In iron pipe at the MC 422030 & 003 4 elevated temperature0 as well a8 normal variation expected in the outside diameter o iron pipe. F. New Business 2. Tube O. D. *s Mr. Hoopoe presented a table of outside diameters of insulation for tubing which varied slightly with the NIMA table of 5/11/61. Mr. Hoopoe1 table reduced the insulation thickness overage above nominal, which resulted in several cases with the NIMA table. It was agreed to present Mr. Hoopes* table to the entire T It R Committee for consideration. 2* Trueness and Squareness of Block h Pipe Covering ' Mr. Sinclair advised that he had completed a revision of the proposed test methods for measuring trueness and squareness of pipe and that he would bring these revisions to the ASTM Meeting die following week. 3. 3. HH-I-561G Mr. Sinclair advised that HH-I-561C was currently being revised to increase die temperature limit to 1200 F. He proposes to Ust the physical characteristics as currently specified in ASTM C-391. There* being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 4?30 P. M. Respectfully submitted Duane A. Davis Secretary pro tem MC 422030 & 0038 MINUTES of the TECHNICAL & RESEARCH COMMITTEE MEETING NATIONAL INSULATION MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION New York# N. Y. * September 21, 1961 Rock k Slag Section Glass Section The meeting was. called to order at 9:30 A. M* with the following in attendance: C. E, Ernst, Chairman W. Anderson W* Gubar F, L, Losee K, M Ritchie J. M- Sarnhart Johns-Manvllle Sales Corp, Owens-Coming Fiberglaa Corp, Gustin-Bacon Mfg, Company The Bagle-Picher Company Baldwin-Ehret-Hill, Inc, NIMA REVISIONS TO FEDERAL SPECIFICATIONS The elevated temperature specification and low temperature specificatlca were reviewed and will be revised in accordance with the comments re ceived during discussion. The revised specifications will be circulated to the committee for comment. REVISIONS TO ASTM SPECIFICATIONS 1 ASTM C 261 (Mineral Fiber Molded-Type Pipe isolation) - This specification was reviewed and will be presented with revisions to ASTM C-16 Subcommittee S-I for letter ballot, 2.' ASTM C 392 TMlneraTFiberBioCk or-Boardlaadiafcion for Elevated Temperatures) - This specification was reviewed and will be presented to ASTM C-16, Subcommittee S-I for letter ballot. OTHER BUSINESS The Glass Section will hold a meeting in Chicago sometime in October in order to complete various items on their agenda, ADJOURNMENT There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned. MC 422030 B 0039 MINUTES of the TECHNICAL & RESEARCH COMMITTEE MEETING NATIONAL INSULATION MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION Chicago* 111* October 26, 1961 (Hass Section The meeting was called, to,order at 9:00 A. M* with the following in attendance: . C* E. Erast, Chairman' W, Gubar . M. W*. Keyes R, L*. Schneider J* M* Barnhart., Johns-Manville Sales Corp, Gustin-Bacon Mg. Company Pittsburgh Plate Glass Co* * . Owens-Cprning Fiberglas Corp* " v .* NIMA ''. - *' USE OF FIBROUS GLASS AT LOW. TEMPERATURES The Committee discussed and wrote in outline form a specification for the application.of fibrous glass insulation at lew temperatures* ,\ - Thickness recommendations were discussed and the following standard conditions were.agreed upon: 1* 90 F.^90% R*H* 9PF. *.85%SLK* :cc . 90 F V00fa R*K* . * -o.. : ' 2* Surface resistance 0* 65 ft/hr* at ' * 3. "kM value*- 0* 20 *t 25 F * . *"' 0,21 at 50 F 0* 22 at ?5 F 0*23 at 100 P'; ; , 0* 29 at M0 F *' ' * Thickness tables, using the standard conditions, will be prepared and sent to the NIMA office not later than November 3, 1961, for correlation* MC 422830 B 0040 With regard to the NIMA test project that the glass manufacturers will underwrite to establish the practicability of the use of fibrous glass insula tions on New York State jobs, the Committee recommends the following: 1. The total cost of the project is not to exceed $6,000, including the cost of removing the insulation that is now on the job* - 2. The application of the insulation is to be as per the Committee's recommendations (industry Specification}* * 3* Since Owens-Coming ie to provide the Insulation and inspection for . the job, Owens-Coming* shall choose the contractor, 4* The contractor shall submit a quotation on "cost plus not to exceed basis" for performing the work prior to starting the project* 5* Uow density one-piece fibrous glass pipe insulation (approximately * 3-1/2 pcf) shall bh used on the project* For presentation to New York State, in addition to the industry specification, each manufacturer, isiio prepare a list of low temperature jobs that have been*completed within the last three years and are performing in a< satis- factory msihner.1 *- ? Mr, Barbiart is to attom^ to obtam'a list Of other jobs from engineers that have successfully used fibrbuVglas# on low temperature applications* it.. : PRODUCT IDENTIFICATION*- ; v - .................. ..... ; The Commutee agreed that thb following is to be established to identify fS&sdble'blah'Ket'lns^attdns! ' ' * - ,r: 1* 3 slasHTtnes -'i72 pcf to, but not including 3/4 pcf material, nominal-density 2 slash,lines` .3/4 pcf to*' but not including ! pcf material, nominal density.*'/' - * '*/' ' ;/: 1 'slash line I pcf to, bdt hot including 1-1/4 pcf materialj horatnal density*' / / *'* ' -;*" 0 * .1 vJ. "1 ; ''*.' r 2* The sories of slash lines (on the diagonal} shall be placed every three feet along the length of the blanket and shall be placed 24" apart along the width of the blanket (1* e* on the 12**, 34" and 60" mark on a ?2`* width blanket). Both sides of the blanket shall be marked* MC 422030 B 0041 3 PRODUCT IDENTIFICATION <co 3. xhe fine fibered material shall be identified by marking in a blue color. The textile fibered material shall be identified by marking is a green color, ,^ O D`s OF FIBROUS GLASS PIPE INSULATION The Table, dated 7/7/61, was discussed and will be sent to the Committee for approval by letter ballot, PERFORMANCE SrANDARS^FOR FACINGS . This standard has not aa yet been completed but will be discussed at the next .meeting, . REVEIONS-TO MILITARY SPECIFICATIONS Revieioos io MlL-i-22344, M1L-I-742A aad'MIL-I-22023. Were discussed and changes to the drafts, were.zftade; The revised drafts will be circulated at the Committee for.perusal, * ., A round; robin testing program was agreed upon in order to calibrate the Micronaire instrument used for determining fiber diameter. Mr. Gubar will send approximately 10 grams of known diameter material to each Committee member for this purpose. DUCT LINER SPECIFICATION ` Mr. Stkst will send a preliminary draft of the proposed specification to the Committed'`spembars fob perusal. adjournment' Theite feefaig do further business, the meeting was adjourned. ReepectfuUy submitted J, M. Barnhart HC 42203 B 0042 MEETING of the SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON FIBROUS CLASS PRODUCTS of the NATIONAL INSULATION MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION New York, N4 Y* October 17, 1961 The meeting was called to order at 9:30 A, M, with die following In attendance: F* W, Muller, Chairman M. W, Burleson C., Ernst M. W* Keyes R* A, McLaughlin R* L. Schneider John Vyverberg J. M, Barnhart Gustin-Baccn Mfg, Company Johns-Manville Sales Corp, Johns-Manville Sales Corp, Pittsburgh Plate CSaas Company Pittsburgh Plate Glass Company Oweas-Corning Fiberglas Corp* Owens-Coming Fiberglas Corp* NIMA The purpose ceC the meeting wee to discuss the use of fibrous glass products at low temperatures, the New York State Standard Specification relating to Insulating products at low temperatures and the New York State Surety Bond, SURETY BOND The surety bond that Is in effect In New York State on work wherein thermal 'insulating materials are spedlHed was dismissed* It was deemed that the surety bond was an Indictment of the contractors and thermal insulating products* It was agreed that NIMA should oppose this action by the State and attempts should be made, through meetings with the State Architect, to alleviate the situation* STATS ARCHITECTS STANDARD SPECIFICATION ft la understood that New York State is attempting to oppose the use of fibrous glass products for use at temperatures below 34 F, due to several job f&iluros that have occurred* It has been shown that the failures cited were due to improper workmanship and failure to specify and apply the vapor barrier properly, and that improper thicknesses of the product were specified or applied* MC 422030 B 0043 2 STATE ARCHITECTS STANDARD SPECIFICATION (cost**,) Tho Glass Section of the NIMA Technical k Research Committee is scheduled to meet in Chicago, HI., on October 26, 1961, and this subject will be placed on the Agenda for the meeting including the following items: 1. Use of fibrous glass products at low temperatures (including proper application procedures and the use of proper vapor barriers), 2. Thickness of fibrous glass products to prevent condensation at ambient conditions of 90 F and 90% R.H, 3. Prepare for presentation to the New York State Architect a positive recommendation of the industry wherein the use of fibrous glass can be shown to perform satisfactory at low temperatures (including thicknesses, proper application and uss of vapor barriers). It was agreed that NIMA would attempt to sponsor a test project on a State job for the purpose of demonstrating that the use of fibrous glass products at low temperatures is successful, providing proper workman ship and application procedures are followed. The cost of the project is to be borne by the fibrous glass manufacturers. OTHER SOSINSSS ' * A joint glass industry advertising program relating to prefabricated duct systems and other products was agreed to be a neneficiai project and will be explored further with the NIMA Executive Committee. ADJQVR&teBNT There being ho further business, the meeting was adjourned. MC 422039 8 0044 Present at an Informal mooting between representatives of NIMA and the New York State Department of Public Works to discuss the use of fibrous glass insulation at low temperatures were the following: D Cloke - Chief Mechanical Engineer j, v, Borst - Asst, Mechanical Const* Engineer E, W, Greoaon, Sr,, - Mechanical Specification Writer p. s Hungerford - Division of Architecture J, J. Burke - Division cf Architecture V, A. Marino, Jr, Division of Architecture C, Hamlin, Jr, Division of Architecture la. J, Hannon, Jr, - Division of Architecture C, F, Murphy - NYSDPW A, M. Buff - NYSDPW M, J, Brennan - NYSDPW A, Petrochi NYSDPW Kerb Jones Rome State School Chief Engineer P. J. Ryan - Willard State Hospital Chief Engineer J, Vyverberg -- Owens-Coming Fibcrglas Corp, E. J, Raynor - Owens-Coming Fibergiae Corp, R, L, Schneider - Owens-Coming Fiberglas Corp, J, M. Barnhart - N1MA SURETY BOND ' Mr, D. Cloke stated Chat the surety bond now in effect In New York State on jobs wherein thermal insulating materials are specified would not under any circumstances be dropped. The bond would retain the 5 year clause, although it was Intimated that perhaps the bond period may be relaxed to a 3 year period sometime in the future. Consideration would not be given to including an arbitration clause into ffae surety bond clause. It was pointed out that the surety bond clause is presently being written as an addendum to job specifications, USE OF FIBROUS GLASS AT LOW TEMPERATURES Mr, 0, Cloke was asked whether any temperature limitations were placed on the use of fibrous glass insulations, and he replied that fibrous glass would not be considered for use below 34 F Mr, A, Petrochi stated that fibrous glass was ruled out of use on refrigeration jobs below 34 F and also including domestic cold water and mechanically chilled water lines, MC 4220ZO B 0045 z NEW YORK STATE ARCHITECTS STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS Mr. J. M. Barnhart stated that the NIMA Technical & Research Commit* tee {Glass Section} was scheduled to meet in Chicago, 111. , on October 26, 1961, and included on the Agenda will be to write an industry recom mended practice on the use, application, workmanship, thicknesses, etc, of fibrous glass at low temperatures. Those present stated that they would welcome such a document. The document will be presented to Mr, D, Cloke when completed. 2t was then explained to those present that NIMA. would, in order to demonstrate the practicability of the use of fibrous glass at low tempera tures, sponsor & test project on a State job that failed. The cost would be borne by NIMA. The Willard State Hospital,, in the Rochester area, was picked by Mr. D, Cloke as the test project site. Mr. Barnhart was asked to write to Mr. Cloke outlining in detail the scope of the work NIMA was willing to do. ****** The State representatives present agreed, that.fibrous glass per se was a good product, from a technical viewpoint. We heard no one imply that it was not. There were however, comments of a negative nature pertaining to the application of the product, l.e. it was a ''prtma donna" ' product and required specification application techniques, the contractor didn't like to use the product, the applicator didn't like to get his hands dirty applying the gunk, etc., all In my opinion, nitpicking, Jft was generally admitted that the fault was with the contractor and the fhet the State could not inspect each job adequately inasmuch as there were not enough inspectors to do so. The basic problem can be condensed to the contractor, application and workmanship. **** Several suggestions were made to NlMA.to consider at the meeting in Chicago, El*, namely, the manufacture of a higher density product now being used, the vapor barrier should be one of higher mechanical strength, a recommendation relative to sealing joints. Respectfully submitted MC 422030 B 0046 December 6, 1961. TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS A meeting -was held in Albany, 'Nev/ York, on December 4, 1961, for the purpose;bf discussing,the test project at the-Willard State Hospital . that NXMA has undertaken withrthe State of New York. This project had been suggested to demonstrate the practicability of the use of fibrous glaa thermal insulation at low temperatures and will be under written by the fibrous glass manufacturers* ,-'.5 . * ' The following were present at-the meeting; D, Cicke . . A, Petrechi J, Herbek P, .dryer*" R.` L. Schneider C. E. Ernst J.' M. Barnhart Chief Mechanical Engineer, NY3DPW NYSDPW NYSDPW NYSDPW r'; ^7 ... MIMA* Technical Committee NtMA Technical Committee NXMA USE OF FIBROUS GLASS AT LOW TEMFERATURBS.. T Mr* D, Cidke waa asked to* clarify the current specification as to the use of fibrous glass on New York State jobs and he stated that the product, at the present1 time, 49 being specifUd-forose only on cold water piping, ft has been barred for ahy*otherusdj" \ ; i-itj.'.'!*'. . htvsri ~T.\ :*:o *\ Mr, Cloke was also aaked whether he vsould be.receptive to the lda of N1MA bolding'a seminar fdr New Yort Stafe' inspector! on^the subject ;of thermal ihenlatira'for cold use. He stated that many16tede had been held, however, he thought that this type of project could be of benefit and was in favor of it. PRESENTATION NIMA presented to Mr. Cloke a specification entitled "NIMA Recommend ed Specification for Application of Fibrous Glass Pipe Insulation at Dow Temperatures (New York State)n. ft was brought to the attention of those present that the specification' was for use for the Willard State Hospital test project only, and that at a later date when certain testing projects had been completed (perm ratings on mastics aad jackets) the specifica tion could, if they desired, be used for New York State-wide use. he 42203a.e 004? 2 Th9 specification, it was pointed out, does not differ materially from the Kew York State specification now in use* Following discussion Mr, Clofce asked that N1MA provide kirn with thickness recommendations for the conditions of 90F, 80% R* H. and 90F, ?0% R, H. as be would like to com* pare them with the NXMA recommendations of 90 F, 90% JUH. that appear in the specification, (It is believed that the State will accept a compromise thickness recommendation for their specifications some where between the 90F, 70% R.H, now in.their specs and 90 F, 90% R.H. that NtMA has recommended. The possibility exists that a range of dry bulb temperatures and relative humidities with corresponding thicknesses will be written into the. New York State; specifications}* . At Mr. Cloke* insistence the hydraulic-setting cementfitting insulation will be deleted from the specification inasmuch as he thought that the contractors would not allow the cement to dry before applying the lagging adhesive or vapor barrier* mastic over the cement, A letter from Wolff k Munier, Inc,, was shown to Mr, Cloke relating the successful use of fibrous glass pipe insulation allow temperatures. The list of job* will be seat to the NYSDPW at a later dale* The specification is tabs revised incorporating the removal of the hydraulic-setting cement fitting insulation and the inclusion of thickness recommendationr a*.90F 80% R.H, and 90F, .70%R.H#. * < . ; .* < .* *'**'.. . , > After discussion of the test project at the Wtilard State Hospital, the following was ascertained*;; .* . y1 *. 1. The NYSOPW. will: let NIMA know when the job is to be. started.. They indicated sometime after,the first of.tit# year. 2* The NYSDFW wouldlike a detailed report as to tire progress of the worts, ' 3. NIMA is to be responsiblefor the.inspection cf.the work, as well * as a representative of the company whose materials are to be, usedon tejob. ' ` ' . > t>y ,' . ......... - 4, The NYSDFW will review in detail the specification. NIMA; . submitted aad.let us know of any comments they have. - Mr. Cloke was asked what length of time after the test projsct was completed would be necessary to determine that fti>rout glass would be written back into the State specifications. He replied that it would be a minimum of 6 months to one year, ***** MC 422030 B 0040 3 Several times during the meeting it was reiterated by the NYSDPW that fibrous glass was a good product, but that the manufacturers bad no control over the insulation contractor, and therefore application techniques that are recommended by the manufacturer are being abused by the contractor. It seemed that the atmosphere with the NYSDPW was more cordial and they seemed to be receptive to suggestions and ideas. It is believed that the fibrous glass materials have a very good change of being written back into the New York State Specifications, Respectfully submitted cc: Mr, R C, Parlett hj. M, Barnhart Glass Section, T Se R Committee A*.'. ir . ic< oc r**j*.wv3*. ' .'"`'.{IfC. ja * .*- v. 'VS > `-.i-.ir: >:? i-:'1'" r ** **: . p /AO5 5." ;:.c .s* ' 2*'A ' , '* ki-'Vi L-AO-n >r.c;qisr o :;/o ;* fj.rT: v `sr.ri' i'< s*-' * ; 5 rtC 422030 B 0049 MINUTES oftha GOVERNMENT TECHNICAL St RESEARCH COMMITTEE MEETING NATIONAL INSULATION MANUFACTURES ASSOCIATION Washington* D C December 5, 1961 The meeting was called to order at 40t00 A* M. with the following in attendance: R, C. Parlatt, Chairman W, E, Miller Bust Tower R. L Strickland K* M* Ritchie S* K. Heard P, L* Losbq George GoU C* E* Ernst W* P, Sinclair J. A, Goodrich A, Kincaid J,. M* Barnhart NIMA Pittsburgh Coming Corp, Xohhs-ManviUe Sales Corp. Gustin-Bacon Mfg* Company Baldwin-Ehret-HUl, ^c* Owens-Coming Fiberglaa Corp* The Eagle-Picher Company Kehsbey St Mattiscn Co; Johns-ManviUe Sales Corp* Union Asbestos It Rubber Co* The EaigU-Plcher Company Owens-Coming Fiberglas Corp* NIMA E* L. BrogginL A L. Craul W 7. Thomasson 4> H* Chllcotc R P, Seith M* D* Roderick X* W* Ford W. M* LawalL A* Farinacci F. X** Powell R* E. Foote C. F. Kuhne A. M LeCompte L P. Clark N* Levy S, Cole W. Y. Louse J. S. King ) - . Office of Chief of Engineers Bureau of Yards It Docks General Services Administration Xtosefcu of.Shipg * Bureau of Ships Bureau of Ship* Coast Guard Coast Guard Maritime Administration Bureau of Standard# Maritime Administration Maritime Administration Maritime Administration Building Research Advisory Board Public Housing Administration Bureau of Standards . ' General Serrics# Administration Veterans Administration MC 422030 8 0050 z Ray parlett reviewed purpose of N2MA, that being to report on activities of nima Technical & Research Committee ''Guide or Criteria for the preparation of Thermal Insulation Specifications", published .by NXMA was distributed to all those in attendance for consideration and discussion at this meeting. Existing thermal insulation specifications were grouped in four classifica tions, namely: . . 1. "Material" specifications 2. "Test Methods for Properties of Materials" specifications 3* "Project" specificatioas ' 4/"Guide!'specifications- .. * ; * / Each classification was defined and discussed in detail. Comments were * invited during the presentation. Topics of discussion and classification concerned were as follows: * 1. Material j ' "* . * 1. Why the contradicting information regarding permeance? ' Such as "Volume, by weight" and/or "ft by volume".* Why not consistent -and uniform means of stall ng all properties? . - . *` * - 1. :.>> 2. Why not & chart indicating effect of moisture on "C" of each insula tion material? 3, Whyvsuchbroad ter^rrs as-"5emiwrigid*?? : . *; *> EC. Test Methods * U yfhy cast test methods for particular physical properties be stand ardised to a greater degree? 2. ' Bureau,of Standards method of testing for effect of moisture on efficiency of insulation was discussed* JH, 'Project Specifications" 1, The necessity of uniformity in definitions of all phases in this classification of specifications, 2 It y^aa.againreported that NIMft, 2s workings a "Glossary of Terms".IV. IV. '!Guido Specifications'* 1. why the variance in Government agency guide specifications, for same materials on like applications? * ..2*. .*.:* 'Y - : MC 422030 B 0051 3 V, Subjects of general nature discussed: 1 BRAB preparing report on physical properties and technical character istics of insulation materials* 2 Why doesn't NIMA participate on cold side? 3, Would it be advisable to incorporate Military and Federal specs* 4* Discussion of progress regarding Index to ASTM specifcations for industrial insulation* 5* It wae suggested that this topic should be discussed at next meeting, 'Fire Sc Smoke Properties of Insulation and/or Finish"* There being no further business the meeting was adjourned. Respectfully submitted Wallace E* Miller n; r: i <r - . i, i: ^i* i , . HC 422030 8 0O52