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r... *a -'3 LEAD INDUSTRIES ASSOCIATION MW TOM IT, K T. larch 3. 19U Jo M*arw rftlwM laad Technical Coadtteei svsjictt Ptn uuu) Ttcmzxi coarmt mrup iLixrss . j a k j ir i Z9-3Q. ma Ulidwd plciM find ttw dmtM of tha lut M Technleel Caealttee rwotln* held Juttorj 29-30* 19L8. Tery truly year** _ Tender Talk Technical Director 1 pm^PPQIjWPP'WBP* PM*- N2774 LEAD INDUSTRIES ASSOCIATION 4M IPOMeTOW AVMWI MW YOOM I*. K. T. cofiroinu SUBJECT TO HtmiOi MB IUS TTOaiCU. COMTlg Ho t lock, M. X. January 29-30, 1908 A h U| of the Bod l. td Tbchnloal Co--lttee of the Lead Xndustrlea Ueoeletloo ee* hold oa January i -30, 1940, la the office* of the Aasocletloo. The following peroone eere la atu -lmcoi ?TWMtd Rwproaontlnn Mr. A. C. Ooeta Ea*le-Pleher Conpeny t Mr. 0. T. Shot* Dr. J. 0. Mnwtww TUdden Coapuy fUjnord Lead Product*, Xae. Mr. Oeorge Dlohlaaa Rational lead Conpeigr * Mr. K L. Zl*cf*ld. Secretary, lead Tndoetrlea Aeeoclatloa Dr. L> L. Cerrlek, Director, Red Lead S*March| Meeting Chained Mr. C. J. Tender Talk, irchnlcal Director r e v is io h or p e x iu l sptrmcanoM rr-ft-Sda tf>* neetlng naa opened at I0i)0 g.M. elth a rrwlee of a preliminary draft dated Daeaafeer 2, UU7, of the nee redaral Specification for Rail taad D*e Ihe following chango eere eeggeeted and approved by the Cawaltlooi fe ?. Paragraph H, Line I, Change 'red Iron wide and red lead* to red load and red iron * Pate ), Table J, ooler Type IT lnaart *14 aaa.* far ailleeov* natter* Table III. Parenlhealte rlng and ball,* Parenth*lte ISA aclida** Paragraph !.(?), Line *. Delete parenthatical axpraaalen and replace with *A *uuVed forcula and C'eklti Mbeiele far U>e eamlab le eetlload In paragraph J.?** i . , eUWil|JltUjllilPIMIBlipi ,,TnMRH*3|^p|pWTtiPMp>. 4J1PPRAMU1 JIWWf P H'j !i eMM Hk . N2774.01 -'7 .2?'` " w "*Xn1*l-L?---- "--' ' ' -i-********^-- -- -......"|-- - --- 1,,-~- ` s R.UT.C. Moating Kimtoo 2 - Jamary -X>, 1914 faff 3 Mlt IT. Pr*nth.tito *pr coot by *l|ht.a Parontboalao a5* NaGH 6a7.* Chang* elMr* to *Cl*ar* aftor *App**raaoo.a **LL Io*rt aJJJ-03J6* aftor "ht ltnaood oil.* , Tablo n. Cndor typo IT doloto *0.$* lor al rd-- anomfelnad aator ud lnaort *0,5* andtr "ms.* Pndor TIP* IT chang* adnlaa aalafct por gallon frco *ld.#a to aI&.7.a * faff 5. Paragraph 1-5*. Chang* *fro*hly-poo*da to "fraaiil/ opoaad." Paragraph U$b. Um 2. lnaort *fcy voluao* aftor part*.* Chango ptckm* to ^tetaid.1 Paragraph l-Sg. Unt L Add "tfton flooad on claan glata. Pff T trpo X. Chang# *ot 7 dianotar a*gnlfieatloaa to **t 7 dloaotor upilIluUoi,1 Trp* n. >*nt* *at 7 di motor agnifle*tlooa to *at a 7 dim*tor agnlfleatleo." lypo OT. Q>anga *ia atrong lltfta to *ia atrong UfiW* Typo it . Chang* *ln otronc ll|hta to *ia a atroof light.* Undor Alkali roalttanco (frpo IT otmloh), Una I. Paronthoala* 'borvioi. * 7# 8. Paragraph 1-2*0), Una 5. Change aof hydrochloric acid* to "of cone, hydrochloric add.* 1 7 >t Paragraph P-2|(I), Una $. A quoatioa ** rot tod concerning tha nunbor of tha drlor apool- flwtion. It oaa ooeldod to r*<j\jil oUrlfleatloa of Ula point dtoa rooomondod ehangoa aro tranmltud to tr, Ktekaoa. pr Una 7, Doloto ** froa TT-Mfla* la oonfomanoo oil* Paragraph t4 an poa U h f ;4 V Il a,u>ai|.pwiiM> apwfl iiwaa ' ' ' 5*^-. : ; - ..I. at4ii wBifii LI A07469 ILUT.C. Vn Uo | o Minute* 3 - January 29*30, IMS ?*C. 10. hnpt^t I-lb, Um 3. Ch*ag* particularly," to te*l nrfww, particularly. Poragrwph I-le, Lin* 2. Chang* 'mirface* particularly," to "Wirf***, particularly." hti 12. Paragraph 1-10, Lin* 12. Comet tpeUlng of "formula#. ill of the editorial chong** in Mr. Hickson'* l*ttr of troiuadttol, doted J*noory 9, IMS, **r* approved by th* Commltt** with th* Mention of th*t for fining I*3d(2). Ih* Cremitto* '* recommendation cone*mln( Paragraph U* (2) Is included tbon, iftr careful consideration of Paragraph 1.12 on pig* 12, concerning a tlx onth guarantee of th* condition of red load points oftor receipt, tho fn--1tts decided to protest Its Inclusion In th* specifleotlon notes os anfolr to red lorn* point manufacturer*. It *os olso proposed end agreed thot th* Technical Director should coll this porogrmph to th* tt*ntlon of **v*rel manufacturer* of ontl* corroslv* points end request thot they file their written obj*ctions to It with Mr. Hickson. * Mr. J. Moor*, Director of th* Scientific Section, Itetlonol Point, Tarnish end Locquvr Association **s eontocted by telephone daring th* Booting concerning th* content of Paragraph 1-12. Re agreed thot th* Inclusion of e requirement for * guarani** of point condition would be highly obj*ctionabl* to point manufacture ers, as contrary to th* traditions! policy of th* National point, Varnish end Ue. qu*r i*oci*tlon, and thot Its retention would set o dangerous precedent for tho writleg of future point specifications. Hr. Moors ogr**d to submit his ob3*ction* In writing to Mr. Hickson. i copy of Mr. "o-re'e litter to Mr. Hickson, dsted January 29 *us ree*l**4 Airing th* Beating on January 30 and Is attached to the** ainute* a* Xahlblt u". pneuter o. iL - iivospTaoc pr o c mm Two Blu* Load control point fonw.il*tIon* w*r* submitted ty Mr. Qoetl aid ware Incorporated into th* Program outline os Paint So*. I 266 and X 267, Those point* or* composed of th* following pigmentation* an! vohlolssi figwnUtloe 132 t.I.t. So. 266 67.0f PI jaerrt by M*liht Sublimed flu* Usd line Chroma.* kagnealua Silicate DUtcmftoeoua Sllloo 60.0* 20.0* 15.0* 5.0* gfyr.ij^ws^i.tw|a.:iisgwi9iiw t jta I'lffcTifBTiraii'MfailM aitJfitts R.L.T.C. Mooting o KlnBtM V January 29-30, 19U8 9hlcla Mo. f-166 33.Of Vahid* by B lln**d Oil Mineral Spirit# Napthcnat* Co Sapthenat* Mr Napthenat* 35.0 m 16.23f/nl. 78.55 21.25 1.35 0.55 0.55 PIl --otatlon XJ) i .i .a . bo . 26? 55.05 Pl.'wnt by Uht V*hlcl* Mo, V-167 Subllaed 81u* Lm4 line Chrenat tine Odd* IUpn*lu* Sllieat* DUtCMMOU* SlllO* 57,1a 19,15 8.55 10,0f 5.05 15,05 Vchlcl* br telnbt n**rl 869-1 HVyd Solution 9a* Unaaed Oil Rl-Tlaah Naptha n mpthenat* Co 'Upthenat* Un Rapth*nato * 29.0 m ru.ru/v& 59.75 22.35 15.65 1.U5 0.55 0.55 Tfm Inclusion la the Prop-** ootlln* of 11*1 of p*r*on* r*e*lrlng palate for application with th* required Mount* ** d*eld*d upon and lnaortad aa Suppi montary Pap* B. m of t m* hi|h leafing alunlrun pat* told by th* livedrea* Cuvoi* of iaorloa ond*r the trad* nan* ilooa h*.v* #2U0 aa* propo**d for u(* la th* aiu*d**j *i topcoat paint. It h i *0 d*eld*d and th* ProtrM outline changed accordingly. Th* Taehnleal Diractor * r*qu*t*o to order 25 pound* of this notarial for dolirarjr to Ur. T, A. Mouhaua at th* <UtdJ*n Ccnpary, It *** al*o decided to lnolud* *p*clflo In*lruction* to the participant* 00no*mlng th* a***ura*nt of dr/ flln with a Ifcgn* Oaug* a* folio**! ; ' * | w Win jpwwwjy*psig^pP!P%SPPIg,tpPH^^ : i LIA07471 - --' --- -rf- f n - ygrn --rvt ' t r i i Wnaifr^ow' -*r ' `t i -- ~f- ILUTfC* tfMtlfl( Q Klnuteo - 5- Jwour 29*30, XM Tho dry fll* thickness of each eoat of point shall be measured after application far weans of a Magna Oeugo and tha iri{t of thro* reeding* taken diagonally K.'otl tba panel shall ba recorded.* Whan tha question mi ralaad eonoeming the type of alunl nun rtaarata te ba used, It was abroad that thla material ahould neat Karr Specification $2-A-12a CJLSt Of HDDEJt CHOfiaL CQ3fC3inOM V3. BURBEIX AMP HDIB Tha Technical Diractor of tha Had Laad Dlrlalon Informed tha Pnwrittee Aeabert that tha Berdan Compare w* currently ae'king to raatraln Burra11 and Meldig, former Herdan aaplorara ruu la tha chemical consulting business, far court ordar from (ailing processes fcr or consulting on fcrmaldohyde derivatives, Ineluding pantaarrthrltol* The rre'.nleal Diractor, alao a former employee of Hayden, told tha Had Load Technical Cnaa'ttue that ha had been caked to volunteer aa a altnaaa for tha defendants and refused with Kr. Zl*gfeld'e knowledge# Tha Thuradar meeting was adjourned at SrOO p.M. PITTSBOMB - ECS MOTMS PHa'lCT *T MILLO* HBTTIUT1 i Tha meeting eonvmed at IOiOO A.*. on Friday, January X). Tha flrat ltaa discussed was tha pons 11: cooperation of tha Rd Laad Technical Coaalttaa la a projact at Mellon Institute sposaorad tgr tha Fllleburgh . Das Moines steal Company. The Technical Director Informed tha Coaalttaa that ha had callad a Dr, James B. Oeroer, director of this project at Mallon, and ralatad Its objectives and status. This project la being Initiated to develop paint arataaa for steal atntoturaa, particularly tha Interior and exterior of water tanka, superior to those noa contained in tha currant Pittsburg - jet Koines opacifications. Dr, Oarasr la desirous of haring teat paint formulations rubaitted for lnclusloo in thla research program. Several companies have already submitted formulations for taste After aeaa discussion, Ur, Shobe stated that ha would prefer that aiy paint formulations ba tubalttad to Dr. Darner tnrou^h tha Dlldden Company since thla la one of thalr aatabllahad accounts. Tha Commutes agreed to thla and It was pro posed that Kr. Shobe submit t`c following L.T.A. paint foraulatloMi federal Specification TT-M6a Paints, Types I, IT, in and IT. Tha present Pittsburgh Daa Koines Specification Ko. 1&L9I pipesotstloa with TT-P-Wm, Qrpa IT rehicla. This plantation has tha following eoapooltloai laad Chrcaata Laad Sulphate. Baoio Mg. SllioaU Hod Load 31,91 1,lt , $33.U 21 0 Wlltgujf I19.H.;JiilI wm? ----- ---------------------------- -------- ----- ------ ntaoewwiaaatiitea. I.L.7.C. Hooting Minitoo January JpOO* Lftft llao hklU*'i TP-1 Priacr applied to 0.U oil follomd by h Kill of Bate. liU'i P-10 hed Load anticorrosive Point. leather nutiUd plantation to nwyrlooi Load ChroMtd Zinc Odd* Kagntslua Sllloate fed Load 10E JOE 1.5* Mi plpiDUtUn 1* to bo supplied with tho enmet Pittsburgh . Dm Haloes prl**r vehicle u *ippii>4 by tbo Gliddon Cunpecy, ' It ms tl* proposed thot Mr. Shobe subnit tbo falleolag tepooet pilot*! Alullnua la TT-P-Vo, TJrpo Jf vehicle. Stoto of lUlno Mo1*1 Bridge Specification Pilot. I7-P-S6*, Typo IT, BaMelite'a TP-1 prloor follomd by P-10 Anticorrosive paint and rod load, load ehronate plyaented point iro to bo mooinM ** four coot tyetess is U is too coot* followed by too finish coat* is additional *70too* for tho outer taM Interior*, ill tho prlsdag paints are to bo applied in one sad too coat applies, tines fhUsnod by too and on* cool application* of tho finish eoot paints oa tha exterior surface*. Pima carat pbo j ec t Tbo letter dated Jam*r li, 1913, froa Colonel Stratton concerning pro. joctod tost* under tho au.*plc f tho Special L/iginevrlng tHriilon of Tho Panaaa Canal ms considorod by the to.-J 1 ><. It as then ayreod that this lottor bo acknowledged with o lottor expressing ttv willingness of tho Uad Induatrloa AHp. cUtloa to cooponto. Colon*! Jtration's lettor Is ottaehod as Exhibit *, t.I.l. PHOTS f00 THE MSTT - HOSPOU Tho paints tp<ed upon st tho 'r-c***r 11-12, 1917, Booting for sobad salon to tho Hsvy for application undor hot >d cold plastic antl-foullng paints for total sebaerslon acre revieved, Ihos* mrei Pi mentation Tohlcla JJ J )S J 13? N4*6 JO 13 13 It nas roso--ended that ToMol* 1} bo aodlflad with chlorinated rubber la L.I.A, Paint 1)7. This revision ms **r**bl* to tho Contiltoo tnd s specific reeomendatlea for tho mount of cMorin*tod rubber to b* added oao left to Hr. t&ohlaoA, n1 LIA07473 -will i-nrnrr'iViiiarrfB^i^"^ mnrna* A 0 -: : r*" a A.UT.C. Hosting V Mlnat-- - 7- January 29-30, 19iiS i ! Another or*t-- propoood end a,r**d upon for eufceieelon to the hvy coo* elate of Bokslite'e P-1 prlarr under on anti-corrosive pilot elwilor to MO bat with tho replace--nt of $Of by vnlure of the rod lead with eoorwilue ollieete. tt woe also decided to sutnit tho rjrvtee recn--enrlarl by tho Boko11to Cor i poration along with tho other I.I.t. rsconasndotlons conjietlng of IP-1 Prlaor, P-10 end BokoUto'o onil-fouling point applied according to Sokelite'e current race--endstlone when tho ponela ora prepared. Jt woo oleo a(read that at leoot one aes*er of the Technical Co--lttee if* enapoogr the Twohnleol Director to korfolk to observe the preparation of the ponale when these are prepared* The MAceetlea that an extra panel be requested of each eyetew for axpoearr at the Sa/allle Harlot haj< n wa> approved. Hr. Dlehlsan reiterated hie Intention to supply two additional bottoa palata with the eerlae for the Oorfalk Bevy Tard* Vehicle* for theee palate will consist of a eo--arona-indene wehlcle with pool tar and chlorinated rubber and an ethyl coliolooo .Arochlor canbin*Uon. Hr. Oiehlwan agreed to eake all of the palate for Mbndaeloa to Norfolk for these teste. t.i.i. wim rot na mn - w t u ^u h u It ** tentatively decided to outsit the fallowing palate to the Philadel phia Havy ford for the projected half-tide testsi first Paint fl >e -.totloe Had Lead 971 Tltonl-- Dioxide fine Clroasts Zinc Chide Asbestine HI04 ( 32$ Mesh) 50* 1<* 10* 10* 10* 10* Vehicle - 1.7.4. Ho. V-27 gooond Paled , Plantation Med Uad Lead Chra--te (Uen) Zlnr Chro--te Zlos felde Klcaoeoue H^n> Aebeetlaa Vehicle - UI.A. Da. V-2T L9* IS* T* 8* IS* 10* PW i * iiv~rf Aiirifr -V| friTt ' HfcV 18 Vi flj 4fc K.L.T.C. Meotla W Minutes -8- January 39-30, \%& Third Hint l.X.1. Ho. 18 Plantation - L.I.A. So. W7 Tthlcls - L. I.A. So, f-*T The fourth, fifth and sixth paints proposed eeoalst of ths shows throo plantations with an alkjrd wehi els as spsclflsd in Mari tins Cceiioo Spool* ' flcation S2-MC-20U Sewenth Paint Containing tho saao ^lgnentatloo as tha second aboro but with tho S'?-HI 301 allgrd solution sodlflad with 101 of cHlorlnatsd rubbor (10 epo.) on wwftirle solids. It was aaxt daeldsd to consider ths use of pentaerythrltel allgrd rwalns as Tshielss for prlwers for application aborw ths water 11m. lone oil length penteerythrltol and dlpeotaerythrltol allgrds were proposed and the Tachsieal Director proalsed to investigate the cocnarcl&l availability of these allgrds and obtain saaplss. 0 an mnw Another nesting of the "tod load Technical Cowalttee was proposed for March, 191,8. This westing will Include an Inspection trip to the iayvllls last Station. The westInf was adjourned at 5il5 P.M. on Friday, January JO, 19b8. i F Technical Director ^Hed lead Idvision j 41'uujm fflgp11 it ' i LIA07475 ^~'*>tBg,': I 11 '~'~ ** - MitHi litTetrii aia uuU COPT - e x h ib it *i* Mnoiai wnr, t ar h is h d o u c q o zk k s s o c u t ic m, x bg . 1500 Hhode Island Avenue northwest feshington $, D, C. i January 29, 1914 Mr. X. T. Hickson national Bureau of Standards Washington 2$, D, C* DMT Mr. RUkoo&i Subjecti proposed fcvlsloa of federal Specification TT-f-S6e. Please refer to Bote I-U| on page 12, wherein the supplier of the rod load point soda urder this apaelfleotloo, asst guarantee that the paint con bo used lx oaths aftar tho data of racaipt. w, find no prlaat7 fault with tha istaat of this clausa, but we do aaa a difficulty of belig fair to tha supplier sftea tha pointer is tho sola Judge of tha usability of the point six aonths oftsr its receipt. It Is caunon proctlca for painters to find fault with ready-nixed points, mad If they hare to expand a little effort to rcincorporate tha plgnent into tho hide, a ecnplalnt resuite, The Bureau laboratory has a sanple of tha point *iieh la frcbased, and if your laboratory woe tha sola Judge of tha usability of tlw point, thora should be no najor difficulty, but it would seaa that this phraso places tho decision in tha hands of tha parson applying the point, IMs Is plaeQ inf a weapon in tho hands of tha pointer, which con cause extreme wborrosswept and expenea. ^ A similar thought is In tha notes of federal Specification 7T-P~*5, wherein J ono year frow receipt of point. It should be usable, and your experience with tho purchase of this resin ewuliloc paint should be extrwwely helpful In arrielnf at 0 decision concamlnf TT-NOba, A tlwllar thought is expressed in federal Specification TT-f-lfi, IJi where you suggest that tha procureawnt officers purchase awounta sufficient to eoewr ap proximately six aonths' needs, and tha thought expresaed hare wight be prufarrad to tho Clause In 1?-M6a, 1-12. It is doubtful that this clausa would be needed for Types 1, 2 and 3, as paragraph *-5 should suffice, and is needed only In connection with Type sdsieli includes phenolic varnish, where excess liveri/g wight occur. 1b should be pleased to have your reaction to tha ad o t # suggestions, JCtftB Tery truly youru, // John C. Mooru N JCH* c . wm, Streeter Scientific Section . I > aJPM.MjpgBBjgwywBwewpBp yw^iwjp wwwebp^|Bgjijni luryiyjafw-jr N2774.02 RPP ipfPir LI AO 74 76 1 ia.ar*.y' cofr tCOKT *- * t k s nnua ana am ton Department of Cperetlea and Maintenance Special Engineering Division UA AM MAH. Diablo Heights, C. Z., January li, 19tA. i- led Lead Technical Cosslttee Lead Industries 1ssodatloe 120 Lexington Avenue, Mas Tor* 17, M. I, Attention, Mr, C. J. Tender Talk OratlasM, The Special Engineering Dlvialoc of The Penaaa Canal haa been eooductlng field tests on protection of atl surfaces slth hot application bitualnous enamels. Thaaa Uit enamels vara applied to tha Panama Canal lock fate* In atrlpa ton ftat side In sufficient length to cover all variations * lath* types of exposure. The anasal aorfaeaa exposed to >Hract aolar rallatlon hare failed althar by sagging or checking and cracking. 1 farther Investigation la being planned to drtarsino which preteo1 tiva eoatinga sill bast withstand the severe tolar rallatlon of the tropica, alternate and continuous submersion exposures are also planned to provide ad ditional information. Cold application protective coatings and antlfoulli^ alarials will be included in this Investigation. Test panels sill be ex posed as follosst Atmospheric exposures at Mlraflores and Cristobal, C. Z. Alternate subaerslon expoeure to era wa t or, fort IIrador, C. Z. Continuous autosraIon exposure to Sea t.tr, fort Amador, C. Z. Continuous suboarsloo sxpoeere to fresh water, Qetun, C. Z. The sites of tort panels, to be expoeed in duplieete for eeok syetaa, ere as follosst Alternate and continuous suboerslou Ataoepherle Laboratory control )> I/J ba x 8* x 1/8* 2* x ii* * 1/8*. All protective coaling eyeteas sill bo applied to eteol eurfaoea. In for ecoUlarge-ecale Uitt on the Pacific aide of the Isthmus only, the fol lowing surface areas will be allotted for secA protective coating eyetea, Marine ataoepherle, asriass Seo seter submersion, maximum .C >ju*re feet. Zj u .<giare feete iWMMiw wjii.miLiatr i !' h j h i.jwtHssnjsqww'.'s.ieiwi1 wigrgsjwswssjpw.etwu j imurnw w iib.s h i1 ge N2774.03 mvi i I \ l fn/orustlon is requested 44 to eoapetlbls prlner and entifoeling compounds dlch are recocoendsd for use with /our products, la this ootw nectlon, It "ill bo appreciated If you dll furnish Infomotion oorerlng tho Itaas Ustod beloci Are /our products tingle coupons nt systemt If not* stole shot other conponente ore Included, os, for esaaple, priser, top coots, end antlfouling coating notorial. '> _; -- StfihMUMHMMMMiMdSfeesShhliMfeaM^lMSe Iro /our s/stoas suitable for oocb of tbs differed ' "' exposures listed aboret ^ N- State approxlsxte t/pe and eeapoeltioa of the notarial ' recamended, exceptIns secret proceeses sad / notarial*. * hot siqr applicable specifleatlone (federal. ln/i Bsey, or others). Deecrlbe the application oethods dtlch are mat suitable for use with your products. furnish data regarding corerl04 abillV/ and cost la large quantities of the products rococ.--0j.ls4. Describe rocooasndod seniee behsrlsr sad laborstor/ Ideatlflcetloh end perforaanes Vesta. furnish data or literature describing /our products, especially long tam aerrloe perfomanoe if avallabia. Should specific priser or antifouling satarials bs used to insure compatibility of Us m dth furnish ouetsf ire specific thlnners or are special handling pro cedures necessary to Insert satisfactory resultat It Is realised that sae of the aboce requested Infemotion say be ccneldered confidential. Toe nay be asmi red that up InfernalIon of this nature dll be held In strict 00--rtlil eonfldsnee.