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about followed, in time, the first discussion on the
same subject in the subgroup?
A. Yes.
Q. Can you recall any aspect of the
discussion in PSAC itself, the entire committee,
that you haven't yet testified to?
MR. ADAMS: Objection.
A. No . Q. Were there any meetings of PSAC after
June, 1965, that dealt with the subject of the
presence of dioxin in 2 , 4 , 5-T, and I limit that
question to in the year *65, but after June, '65.
A. I don't recall.
Q. Was some decision reached by PSAC in 1965
with respect to the question raised by information
as to the presence of dioxin in 2 , 4 , 5-T that you
testified to?
A. No .
Q. No decision? A. No .
Q. Was a decision made to talk to
withdrawn.
To your knowledge did any members or
representatives of PSAC discuss the subject of the
presence of dioxin in 2 , 4 , 5-T with any
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representatives of the Department of Defense? %
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o. Were you present at any such discussion? A. Yes .
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A. To the best of my recollection, Mr. Warnke and
I believe Secretary McNamara.
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Mr. W a r n k e 1s position at that time was
A. I believe it was Assistant Secretary for
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Q. Secretary McNamara was the Secretary of
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i; 19 Q. Who was present besides you from ESAC?
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25 MR. A D A M S : Objection.
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1 A . I do not recall. 2 Q. Ivan Bennett? 3 MR. ADAMS: Objection. The doctor has'
4 indicated he doesn't recall. 5 A. I don't recall. 6 MR. PAKULA: I am trying to refresh his 7 reco1lection . 8 Q. You understand that? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. What was said and by whom --
11 MR. ADAMS: Objection.
12 Q . -- at that meeting, to the best of your
13 recollection?
14 MR. ADAMS: Objection.
15 A. There was a general discussion of the
16 herbicides, the military effectiveness of their use.
17 I participated in the discussion, but I do not
18 believe or do not remember that I initiated the
19 discussion. 20 Q. What specifically was said in the course
21 of that meeting about the possible health effects on
22 humans of the presence of dioxin in 2 , 4 , 5-T?
23 MR. ADAMS: Objection.
24 A , I do not recall.
25 Q. Was the subject discussed?
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1 MR. ADAMS: Objection.
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Q. Well you do recall that the subject of
4 dioxin in 2,4,5-T was discussed?
5 MR. ADAMS: Objection.
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8 Q. But you don't recall whether the possible
9 health effects of the presence of dioxin in 2,4, 5-T
10 was discussed?
11 A. That is correct.
12 Q. Was any scientific literature discussed?
13 MR. ADAMS: Objection.
14 A . I do not recall. 15 Q. Were any aides to either Secretary
16 McNamara or Mr. Warnke present at that meeting?
17 a . I d o n 1t reca 11.
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Q . Did you observe anybody at that meeting
19 taking notes?
20 A. I d o n ' t 'recall , 21 q . was there a stenographer present at .the
22 meeting?
23 a . There was not a stenographer present.
24 q # Was the meeting taped?
25 a . Not to my knowledge.
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