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TWO BROAPWAT N CW YORK, N. Y. 10004
March 3, 1969
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TO: John H. Davies - A.A,A.
j. Cl^ton X. Read - A.A.A.
Wf B. Evans - Philip Carey
Janes A. Suddeth - Philip Carey
Clarence M. Brasher - Philip Carey Sm D. Weaver - Cement Asbestos
Harold KcNabb - Certain-teed
H. S. Davis, Jr* - Certain-teed
A* E. -Alpine - Certain-teed
James D. Koran - Flintkote
Walter N. Snorx - Flintkote
James A* Main - Flintkote
J. G. Hall - GAP Harry Kessler - GAP
Edward C. Cerny, Jr. - Johns-Kanville
Clifford L. Sheckler - Johns-Msnville A. H. Fay - National Gypsum Frank H. Zimmerman - National Gypsum J. Steiner - Supradur
TC. Trad Better - Supradur Kurt Schwarz - Supradur C. P. Xipp - U.S. Gypsum .
Gerhardt R. Krug - U.S. Gypsum
A. Schmidt - U.S. Gypsum E. Morrow - U.S. Gypsum
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N. D. J-ove - U.S. Gypsum
Ivan Sabourln, Esq. - Quebec Asbestos Mininr Assoc let*
Dr. George W. Wright - St. Luke*6 Hospital,"'Cleveland
Gentlemen:
Re: Health A Safety Council
I enclose ay draft minutes of the meeting of the Health & Safety Council held in New York on February 18, 19 Please note that the next meeting of the Council is tenta tively scheduled for Tuesday, May 20th, at the Biltmore Hot in Nev: Y
Yours sincerely.
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Minutes of the Meeting of .the Health & Safety Council/
Asbestos Cement Products Association
February 18, 1969
A meeting of the members of the Health U Safety Council of the Asbestos Cement Products Association was held pursuant
to notice at the Siltaore Hotel, Hew York, Hew York, at 9:30 A.M. on February 18, X969.
The following 'persons were present:
C. I. Read
.?* M. Brasher S. D. Weaver Harold KcNabb J. A. Main W. M. Knorr Harry Kessler E. C. Cerny, Jr.
C. L. Scheckler
F. H. Zimmerman J. Steiner X. Schwarz C. ?. Kipp A. Schmidt E. Morrow
K. D. Lowe Ivan Sabourin, Esq. Dr. George W. Wright Bradley Walls, Esq.
Atlantic Asphalt & Asbestos, Inc. Philip Carey Cement Asbestos Certain-teed Products Corp. The Flinthote Company The Flintkote Company
OAF Corporation Johns-Manville Sales Corp. Johns-Manville Sales Corp.
national Gypsum Company
Supradur Supradur U. S. Gypsum U. S. Gypsum U. S. Gypsum U. S. Gypsum cuebec Asbestos Mining Association St. Luke's Hospital, Cleveland Davies, Hardy, Loeb, Austin & Ives
The meeting was called to order by the Chairman,
Mr. James A. Main. The minutes of the last meeting of the
Council held on Kovenber 14, 1568, which had been previously
mailed to all members, were upon motion duly made end seconded
unanimously approved.
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Mr, Cemy delivered the Treasurer's report and stated
that the present balance of the Council is $5p0.01 Mr. Cerny*s report was accepted. Mr. Cerny also prepared'e budget for the calendar year 1969 as follows:
Miscellaneous Expenses, including travel Administration
Legal
, .* 500. 1 000 2,000.
$3,500.
Mr. Cerny stated that meets nr. expenses are to be borne by members on a pro rata basis, printing expenses, if any, are
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to be borne on & pro rata basis and, therefore, these expenses were not included in the budget. Mr. Ceroy proposed that each member company of the Council be assessed $350 to provide for . the I969 budget.
On motion duly made and seconded, the budget was unanimously approved as submitted. The Chairmen, Mr. Main, then polled each member company for its approval of the $350 assessment. All members polled agreed to the assessment.
Kr. Main spoke briefly on the background of the concer in the asbestos industry with health and safety practices. He noted that the Asbestosls Hesearch Council in England has alread developed four Recommended codes of Practice entitled: (1) For Handling, Working, end Fixing of Asbestos and Asbestos Cement Products in the Building end Construction Industries; (2) On .tfFreeautidstt to be taken when Cutting, Drilling or Machining Asbestos Cement and Asbestos-based oar& in the Shipbuilding Industry; (3) For Handling Consignments of Asbestos Fiber in British Ports; (4) For Handling Asbestos Fibers use.d In Thera* Insulation. Copies of these Codes were distributed to the members in attendance. Mr. Main also referred to the technical note prepared by the Asbestosls Research Council entitled "The Measurement of Airborne Asbestos Dust by the Membrane Filter Method1*. Copies of this technical note were distributed to members in attendance. Mr. Main also referred to the menorandui on Dust Sanoling and Counting dated December 9, 19*6 prepared b: M. Lachance', Dust Control Engineer of the Quebec Asbestos Minin Association. Copies of this memorandum were also distributed.
Mr. Main noted that there had been dnveloonent. subseouent *0 the meeting of the Council held on November 1U, 3.06S In'particular, he referred to the speech by Dr. Selikoff at the Dalles meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of ..Science.; the study program of the Institute for Occupational and Environmental Health in Montreal supported by QAMA and the studies of the Industrial Hygiene Foundation.
Kr. Scheekler reported that no progress had been mad< on the proposed safety manual since the last.meeting of the Council because so many developments had occurred that addi tional time was reouired to assess them. Mr. Scheekler noted that the American Congress of Governmental Industrial Ky^ienis had reduced permissible particles in its 1969 indistri:! stand from 5 million to 7 million particles per cubic feet of air. stated that Johns-Manville1s goal is 1 million particles per cubic foot.
Mr. Scheekler observed that the proposed British ref .tions are becoming morc stringent; that the U. S. Department c
the Havy is strongly advocating the wearing of respirators by all men doing asbestos work. He stated that now types of
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respirators are needed because the beet respirators available' aay be satis factory for particulate matter, but they are not satisfactory for asbestos fibers. Hr. scheckler described, to the meeting the membrane filter method being developed by J-M to evaluate the amount of dust their men breathe. A meeting of the subcommittee on the proposed pamphlet will be convened, following this meeting.
The members of the Subcommittee on the pamphlet on Recommended Health Safety Practices for Handling and Applying
Asbestos Cement Products are:
A. . Alpine Harry Messier F. H. Zimmerman C. Scheckler
Certain-teed
GAP rational Cypsra
Johns -KanviUe
Some, discussion was held on the purposes and proprle' of issuing the proposed booklet. It was noted that as to asbe: cement siding, there is very little problem in the field, and that the end use of the materials should guide the purposes of
the booklet.
In particular, it was noted that a differentiation must be made in the two groups that are to be reached by such booklets. One group can be envisioned as consumers and the other group can broadly be called asbestos workers.
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Mr. Cemy remarked that the proposed booklet was
originally ccntenplated,for use anong fabricators end was expected to outline heslth/safcty measures for workers and not
necessarily for consumers. Mr. Cer*.y stated that one purpose
of Issuing such booklets n health/safety measures would be
limitation of liability of the manufacturers. He stated that there-has-ben a tendency for employees to sue their f&brlcato employers as well as the manufacturing suppliers. Xn such sui
there is no restriction to the recovery Units of Workmen's Compensation end other manufacturers are often iisn.'eaded as
third-party defendants. Mr. Cemy stated that any booklets prepared and issued ,by the Council should be backed with a strong public relations effort that would secure write-ups of interviews and other releases for trade press magazines. fubl`
relations efforts should else keep insurance carriers advised of what the industry is doing.
Following Mr. Cemy's remarks, the Council authorise Mr. Main to appoint a Subcommittee on Litigation, Legislation and Insurance. Mr. Main will advise the appointees to that
Subcommittee directly and will report at the next meeting of the Council.
Hr. Zimmerpan reported that there had been no mcetin
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or the Subcommittee on In Plant Eirrironsental Control end tKa* this Subcommittee Mould meet following * the. remarks of pr. Vric The In Plant Environmental Control subcommittee was authorise* at the November l*th meeting or the Council and is to have om representative from each member of the Council, Kr. Main reported the. following appointments by members of represents tives to the In Plant Environmental Control Subcommittees -----
* I, Reed A E. Alpine tf. K. Knorr Kerry Messier
. L. SchecKler F. H. Zimmerman
X. Schwrs G. R. Krug
Atlantic Asphalt & Asbestos Certain-teed The Flintkote Company
GAP Corporation Johns-Manvi11e National Gypsum
Supradur D. 3, Gypsum
"Mr* Weaver of Cement Asbestos end Mr. Brasher of Philip Carey advised Mr. Main that appointments of representatives to the In Plant Subcommittee from their respective companies would be made shortly.
Mr. Main introduced to the Council Dr. George V. Writ Director of Medical Research, St. Luke's Hospital, Cleveland, Ohio. Dr. Wright addressed the meeting on "A Current Assessmer of Asbestos as an Bivironraental Health Problem",
{For the benefit of the members in attendance who requested it, there follows a brief summary of the highlights of Dr. Wright's talk. Dr. Wright has reviewed end approved
this summary.)
Dr. Wright remarked that his appearance before the Council was appropriate because information available to him .. indicates that one-fourth of the asbestos used m the United : States goes into asbestos cement products. He stated that **** although'studies had been made on the biological effects of asbestos fiber when such fiber is not bonded (i.e. textile, milling, mining and Insulation operations J extinction and stud of the effects of such fiber when incorporated'in asbestos ce~e: products would appear to be warranted, considering the volume*' of asbestos used in these products.
By way of historical background. Dr. Wright indicated that British Government statistics in the 1530*s provided
information showing that S0^ of male workers in Vac asbestos textile trades over a period of twenty years or more had
asbestosis. Dr. Wright noted that 95S of particles which pess through human air passages is expelled. By analogy, asbestos fibers probably do the same. Of the fibers remaining in the lung, the human body coats some of these with protein and iron. Because fiber glass and graph*tc particles ore also subjected
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to similar phenomenon, these coated particles are referred i""as "ferruginous bodies".
After substantial exoosure for twenty years to asbesto
dust, 75? of the workers so closed will develop sears betectabl
by X-rays* Some workers develop these scars sooner then others*
She formation of scars constitutes the disease known as-
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asbestosis. As these scars develop, the pipes through which --
blood flows through the lungs are destroyed. Death can
ultimately result. We figures in Great Britain as of 1930
proved that the mortality rate or length of life of textile
workers in Britain is shorter. Since then, the life span of
such asbestos textile workers has improved because the number
of fibers in the air has been reduced.
Dr. Wright explained that many lessons had been learne from studies involving silica. As a result of counts made of
'*silica particles, and experience that silica particles measuring 5 microns or under in diameter were those that- stayed in the lungs, limits were established of maximum concentration of * ..
silica particles in industrial settings as early as 1939* At that time, maximum concentrations were 5 million particles per cubic foot.
Dr. Wright outlined the Lynch studies published in 1935 which associated bronchogenic cancer with asbest03s. These studies were fortified by further studies made in Man
chester, England in 1950 by Dr. Doll. Dr. Doll's studies identified 11 cases of bronchogenic cancer among.113 workers in an asbestos textile factory.
Subseouent studies in Canada done by the Industrial Hygiene Foundation did not duplicate the Manchester re^ultn.
Subsequently, studies were done by Drs. SclVnoCt
end Hammond among insulation workers* These studies claimed '*
that the incidence of lung cancer is 12 times higher among
insulation workers than ason3 non-insulation workers.
Dr. Wright noted that in those studies no bronchogenic cancer
was found among non-smokers.
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` Dr. Wright explained in brief outline sore theories of carcinogens and indicated that there are seme who are
exploring the concept of co-carcinogens - that is to say, that asbestos fibers and cigarct smoking may act together to
become cancer inducing agents. It is knov.n, for example, that bronchial cancer occurs 8 times more* frequently among smokers than non-smokers and SO times more among smokers who are also
insulation* workers than among non-smokers who are not Insula
tion workers.
In passing. Dr. Wright suggested thr.v it might be
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possible for employers to limit employment in insulation voi
only to non-smoking workers. Pr. Wright explained that the
policing of such employment conditions could pose many preet problems.
Dr. Wright also explained the findings of certain,
studies made among workers in South Africa where a cancerous
growth was noted to appear on the outer surfaces of the lung
These studies indicated that these cancers, or mesothelioma,
occurred among South Africans exposed to crocidolite. He
noted, however, that there were differences b^'^een statisbi*
compiled in the Transvaal and in the rvorthwes )pe. He else
stated that cases of mesothelioma occurred
workers as
well as among people who live near crocidolite workings (so-
called "neighborhood cases").
finally. Dr. V;right sketched some developments beirv -r made in^-studies of gastrointestinal cancer which may indicate
the development of cancer following the swallowing of asbesto:
particles or fibers by asbestos workers. Or. Yiri^ht explainec that considerable research needs to be done in this field.
Sn response to & cuestion concerning proper practice of industrial hygiene and the detection of fibrosis and of
bronchogenic cancer, Dr. YJright stated that employers should conduct X-rays of all workers exposed to asbestos every two
years commencing before the fifth year of employment in such exposures. Drf tfright also explained scr*e or the difficulties
involved in running tsts on sputum samples; statin- that six samples were recuired from each worker in order to achieve a true reading with resard to cancer.
After a feu general cues tier* s posed by members of the Council, the meeting adfsurned.
Hespectfully submitted.
/ Eradley yalls*