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Hornig - cross 86 1 program? 2 MR. YANNACONE: Objection. Go ahead and 3 answer it. * V 4 MR. PAKULA: Don't say go ahead and answer 5 it. Please. 6 A. I don't recollect specific allegations prior to 7 my leaving Washington, prior to 1969. i 8 (Discussion off the record.) 9 (Short break.) 10 Q. Using 1964 for the moment, Dr. Hornig, as 11 a point of reference, the year -12 MS. BOWLER: Can we stop while I take 13 this call? 14 MR. BURKE: Sure. 15 (Short pause.) 16 MR. BURKE: Would you withdraw the last 17 question. 18 Q. As I understood your testimony earlier, 19 Dr. Hornig, you became aware of the term dioxin at 20 some point in the mid-sixties but you are not able 21 to recall the exact date. Is that correct? 22 A . That's correct. 23 Q. Using 1964 as a reference point -- that's 24 when you became the chairman of PSAC -- can you give 25 me your best recollection as to when you heard of w a g a a n d spinelli certified shorthand reporters Hornig - cross 87 th term dioxin. Was it close to 1964? Was it in 1964? Using that as reference, can that help you to pinpoint the date that you first heard the term? A. I can only give you an answer that says I would suppose. MR. YANNACONE: Objection. It's been asked and answered throughout a series of questions by counsel and we are going over and over it. MR. PAKULA: 1 don't believe the question when in the mid-sixties or what do you mean what by the mid-sixties has been asked that way. MR. YANNAC ON E : You asked it, Mr. Pakula. MR. MARIANI : Could you repeat the answer that the witness gave. MR. YANNACONE: He hasn't given one yet. (Record read ) Q. When you say mid-sixties, Or. Hornig, how are you defining that term? A. Approximately 1964 through 966 , let's say. Q . When you heard of the term dioxin, did you hear it in conjunction with something else? A. Whenever 1 first heard it, it was as an impurity in 2,4,5-T. Q . When you learned of that information, were you aware of the fact that 2,4,5-T was being w a g a a n d spinelli certified shorthand reporters 2 3 4 5 6 c7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 '5 16 '17 IB ( '19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Hornig - cross 88 used in Viet Nam? A. Yes. Q, Was it your understanding at that *time that 2,4,5-T was a component of a substance known as Agent Orange? A Yes. Q. After you heard of the term dioxin in association with 2,4,5 -T , did the military continue to. use Agent Orange in Viet Nam? A. Yes. Q. Did they continue to use it for several years thereafter? A. Yes. q . Did you, sir, when you learned of the fact that dioxin was an impurity in 2,4,5-T ever rela^ that information on to anybody in the Department of Defense? A. No . q . Did you tell president Johnson of that info rmation? A No Q. Why not? A. At that time I don't believe* I had any reason to feel that there was a health hazard associated wi th it. w a a a an d spinelli certified shorthand reporters Hornig - cross 69 Q. When you learned that dioxin was an impurity in`2,4,5-T, what significance, if any, did that fact have to you? Aw. That one ought to be concerned. MR. BURKE: Let me have that question and answer read back. (Record read.) Q. What should one be concerned about in that time period? A. What the magnitude of the toxicological effects might be and what the magnitude of the exposures night be. Q. Was It your understanding when you learned of the presence of dioxin in 2,4,5-T that the dioxin presented a potential health hazard to human beings? A . Yes. Q . Do you recall who told you that dioxin f was in 2,4,5-T? A. No. Q. Did that information come to you while you were performing your duties as either chairman of PSAC or a special advisor to OST? A. I was never a special advisor to OST. Q. I almost got that question right, Dr. w a g a a n d spinelli certified shorthand reporters 'Li