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D.r.i slane__=__Ry Mr npT.ura 14:43:40:28 1 4:4 3:4 3 : 2 1 14:43 4 1:03 14:43 : 4 1 : 0 3 14:43 : 5 3 : 2 4 14:43 : 5 1 : 0 1 14:44 0 1:24 14:44 10:13 14:44 14:00 14:44 16:18 14:44: 2 0:24 14:44: 2 3:18 2 5:01 14:44 : 2 1 : 0 4 14:44 3 0:15 14:44 3 2:21 14:44 3 4:06 14:44 3 1:18 14:44 4 0:15 14:44 4 1:21 14:44 4 3:13 14:44 4 1:09 14:44 5 0:03 14:44: 5 3:12 Q Do you recall what you told him? A I believe I said EPA knew more than I did. Q Let me show you minutes of the meeting of the Board of Directors, from Tuesday, December 4th, 1979. And in that those minutes you say, "It was stated that many of the individuals working on asbestos control at the EPA are new to this field. Not only are they new to the asbestos question, but have little background in friction materials." Let's just stop right there for a moment. Does that cause you to change your answer? A Now you are talking about the very beginning. I think EPA was just formed for the asbestos thing there. I think they were all beginners at that time. Q So now do you think that the Friction Materials Standard Institutes and its members knew more than the EPA? A Possibly at the very beginning, but I would say as EPA got in and got their sea legs going and all that stuff, they know more than I do. But at that time there they started some place. You can never seem to get the concept P.O. Box 12459 Albany, NY 12212-2459 MlLIANCE m mruREPORTING SERVICE, UC Albany (518) 438-0126 Troy (518)283-5064 Schenectady (518) 355-9216 Clifton Park (518) 383-1241 Fax (518) 446-0582