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FILE NAME Manhattan RBM DATE 1974-1975 DOC RBM038 DOCUMENT DESCRIPTION Comments of Y.J.H. Marsh at AIA Annual Meeting with Cover Memo Re [f/f% 1/21/83 USL J "+ April 9 1975 806 Paul Kotin M.D. Vice President - Health Safety and Environment Hanville Corporation Greenwood Plaza Denver Colorado 20217 ; ; appreciate appreciate the time time you with spent with me me patience in listening to my rather dis ertation winded dissertationdisertation dissertation disertation disertation disertation dissertation disertation ~~ Beeds of tthhe e asbestos asbestos asbestos products industry I am convinced that most of our members would welcome a seminar or seminars such as I suggested during overkill " overkill overkill overkill I am enclosing enclosing I am enclosing a copy copy of of our meeting cocommmmene tcommsents ncom ents tcommentss made made At at at the the the risk of NA AIA NA Annual Meeting September The pertinent paragraphs are marked in red . I have also enclosed commentscomments made at a meeting Dr. Selikoff in February to illustrate the plight plight I made these comments in average average average manufacturing manufacturing manufacturing manufacturing manufacturing manufacturing manufacturing manufamanucfactturinguring manufacturing manufacturing mamnuafacntuurifngactmaunruifmannaufagccturitngurmimaannugnfacutumfraniunfagactcuritng uring Ernager Ernager Ernager 2 asbestos products industry who is very largely ignorant of biological offects of asbestos we had with an attempt Ernager Ernager in the the the Over 80 people including several company presidents attended the Selikoff meeting Following Dr. Selikoff's presentation and departure there were additional comments and critiques by Ray Murphy and Phil Enterline The response of the membership of the AIA to this meeting was clear of Revidence the desire on ththe e part of the members of the Association relationship for a closer relationship relationship relationship with the scientific commmity and 2 better all of understanding understanding understandingunderstanding us in the industry of the effects of industry will be very asbestos I grateful for can any assure assure you help help you en give us continuing this educational process and in helping helping us to find solutiontso the problems facing facing the industry industry industry Ve Sincerely ets COMMENTS Y J. 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MARSH AT AIA ANNUAL MEETING September 11 1974 . .- e . comments will be limited today because I'm sure you've heard me enough i ttwo wo years and because we have assembled an outstanding group = the Conference which will begin at noon today Their be more significant than any I could make Rather than reviewing in detail the activities of the past year I should _ like to on comment two important objectives as I perceived them a year or . more ago First First . the need to the asbestos health communicate communicate hazard to the AIA membership membership membership membership factual factual information information information information on on Second Second the the establishment of AIA establishment establishment of as credible a credible authoritative authoritative authoritaive authoritative source of of information particularly for government regulatory agencies . government With respect to the first point it became clear to me some time ago there had been an incredible lack of communication between the scientific community and most of the U.S. asbestos industry This lack of communication can best be illustrated by attendance records at conferences during the past ten years Meeting 1964 - Caen , France - Meeting of ExpExperts erts - No U.S. Industry ReReppre- re- - 1968 -Dresden - M only : _ 1971 London > M only a 19721972 1972 1972 - Lyon - Solon Swetonic Sabourin 19731973 1973 1973 - Geneva - No representative from U.S. industry - Sole U.S. . Representative George Perkle of the Textile Workers At all of these meetings our British colleagues were present in full force The greater superiority British industry possesses in understanding and control of the asbestos health accniodae ccn idet nt I hope the programs of the past year with Drs Selikoff Nicholson Murphy Enterlin Vaen Atta and the review of mortality studies by Mazz Swetonic have been helpful in making up for that absence of communication and together with the conference to begin this noon will serve to create a better understanding of the challenges facing the asbestos industry in this country | -we- es we se ne oe . . teow at en 0 ews oe: wees . e+ eee ampere ae pews ewe With respect to the second objective I think we can without qualification principal government accepted the principal AIA is firmly established regulatory information regulatory industry agencies authoritative speakers afternoon regulatory regulatory regulartoerygulatory The as an list of and to by authoritative source source source of appear before before before before us this on the asbestos and - OL ~ that tomorrow is clear evidence of fact Thanks to Ed Fenner and his Technical and Standards Committee AIA has made Labor a significant contribution to the revision of the OSHA Asbestos Standard I can assure you the Department is appreciative of this effort and that it has contributed greatly to the credibility of our organization In addition to our close contacts at we are OSHA respected at the Environmental Protection Agency vital Administration agencies of importance well established and and the Food and Drug to the asbestos industry There have also been contacts too numerous to detail with other Federal agencies such as MESA FTC , CPSC NIOSH and others as well as contacts with many government subcontracsubcontractorts ors working on asbestos matters The legislative in contact with area has not been neglected neglected We have visited and have been legislators interested in OSHA and the asbestos industry and have attended and monitored House and Senate Oversight Hearings as well as many other meetings on asbestos matters way We still have much to do but realize ago Perhaps most of you don't was nothing more than a room we have come a long in the past year it but just aa little over a year AIA full of files with virtually zero capability to answer questions or provide technical or ootthehr er advice We have been most fortunate in having as Executive Director since late August last year Bob Mereness whose experience as a Public Relations Officer joined with and whose knowledge of the Washington scene have put us on the map Although he us virtually no knowledge of the asbestos industry his progress up the learning curve has been extraordinary We are office also matters grateful since to she joined our most organization last October October The office staff was greatly strengthened by the addition on July 1 of Bob Pigg whose years of experience as an AdministrativeAdministrative Officer will be Mereness of great value in freeing Bob from the demands of office routine hand will permit him to spendhis time more productively on government other legislazive and outside contacts In summary summary formerly to we've we've serve got got the viable viable a viable going going going operation operation fafarr better better membership of this association membership equipped than ers a] FUTURE . <. . : oot < . I As I will be steppingstepping down as President I am not going to prehensive plan for the future but do want to emphasize of aggressive and effective programs in two areas present importance the . a com- a 3 Customer education 2. Medical surveillance and research . a os , Stender With respect to the first point Secretary has clearly stated that on methods of compliance with small the job of giving guidance to employers private OSHA Regulations is one for the sector Our industry must expand who need help in or all customers small large ; asbestos this concept to cover understanding or in complying with the regulations This is a must if we are to protect our markets . describing We badly need a of series booklets describing work practices for our customers Although final publication may have to be delayeduntil the new regulations have been established we should get on with the preliminary work at once We have the technical capabilities within our membership to do this . Ed I wish Fenner has already discussed this and has started the wheels rolling that his committee will need a lot of membership participation to emphasize do all the work Therefore I ask each We cannot expect few individuals to of the engineering time member to be prepared to contribute his fair share and talent needed to do the job MEDICAL SURVEILLANCE ANDRESEARCH data relationships to cover medical surveillance programs for active I have used used this term as well as employees andand mmortality ortalitystudies of former or retired employees and on the research programs seeking on response that contribute to the cause of disease Industry can make signi- factors advice and guidance is needed ficant contributions in these areas but expert deficiency all well aware of a serious deficiency deficiency in the U.S. asbestos industry We are We don't have an ARC or an IO As an association we have no one to turn to for expert medical advice and with the exception of one or two most companies in the industry are in the same position We have discussed the unsuccessful attempts subject ad nauseum and have made several feeblefeebfleeeble to develop a relationship that would provideprovide us 2 readily accessible source of expertise expertise and with time " I suggest that that the time recommendations leadership recommendations FFirstirsFirst t for for aaggggrersesisvse ivaeggressive that that that AIA AIA take medical established protection medical medical surveillance surveilance surveillance surveilance surveillance programs programs programs action action is is a a are re established adepquraetseent industry of and future workers in the asbestos now and and I have have two two that role to to insure that for the established the protection | Webl. . . 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