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DATE 1974-1975
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DOCUMENT DESCRIPTION Comments of Y.J.H. Marsh at AIA Annual Meeting with Cover Memo
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Paul Kotin M.D. Vice President - Health
Safety and Environment Hanville Corporation
Greenwood Plaza Denver Colorado 20217
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appreciate
appreciate
the
time
time
you
with
spent with
me me
patience
in
listening
to my
rather
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dissertation
disertation disertation disertation dissertation
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Beeds
of tthhe e
asbestos asbestos asbestos
products
industry
I am convinced that most of our members would welcome a seminar or
seminars such as I suggested during
overkill " overkill
overkill
overkill
I
am
enclosing enclosing
I am enclosing
a
copy
copy
of
of
our meeting
cocommmmene tcommsents ncom ents tcommentss
made
made
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at
at
the
the
the
risk of
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AIA NA
Annual Meeting
September The pertinent paragraphs are marked
in red
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I have also enclosed
commentscomments made at a meeting
Dr. Selikoff in February
to illustrate the plight
plight
I made these comments in
average
average average
manufacturing
manufacturing
manufacturing manufacturing
manufacturing
manufacturing manufacturing manufamanucfactturinguring manufacturing
manufacturing mamnuafacntuurifngactmaunruifmannaufagccturitngurmimaannugnfacutumfraniunfagactcuritng uring
Ernager Ernager Ernager
2 asbestos products industry who is very largely ignorant of
biological offects of asbestos
we had with
an attempt
Ernager
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the
the the
Over 80 people including several company presidents attended the Selikoff meeting Following Dr. Selikoff's presentation and departure there were additional comments and critiques by Ray Murphy and Phil
Enterline
The response of the membership of the AIA to this meeting was clear
of Revidence the desire on ththe e part of the members of the Association
relationship
for a closer relationship relationship
relationship with the scientific commmity and
2 better all of
understanding
understanding understandingunderstanding
us in the industry
of the effects of
industry will be very
asbestos I
grateful for
can
any
assure assure you help help you en
give us continuing this educational process and in helping helping us to
find solutiontso the problems
facing facing
the
industry industry industry
Ve Sincerely
ets
COMMENTS Y J.
COMMENTS
H.
MARSH
AT AIA
ANNUAL
MEETING
September 11 1974
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comments will be limited today because I'm sure you've heard me enough
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ttwo wo years and because we have assembled an outstanding group
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the Conference which will begin at noon today Their
be more significant than any I could make
Rather than reviewing in detail the activities of the past year I should
_ like to on comment two important objectives as I perceived them a year or
.
more ago
First
First
.
the need to
the asbestos health
communicate
communicate
hazard
to
the
AIA
membership
membership
membership
membership
factual
factual
information
information
information
information
on on
Second
Second
the
the
establishment of AIA establishment
establishment
of as
credible
a credible
authoritative
authoritative
authoritaive
authoritative
source
of
of
information particularly for government regulatory agencies
.
government
With respect to the first point it became clear to me some time ago there had been an incredible lack of communication between the scientific community and most of the U.S. asbestos industry This lack of communication can best
be illustrated by attendance records at conferences during the past ten years
Meeting 1964 - Caen , France - Meeting of ExpExperts erts - No U.S. Industry ReReppre- re- -
1968 -Dresden - M only
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19721972 1972 1972 - Lyon - Solon Swetonic Sabourin
19731973 1973 1973 - Geneva - No representative from U.S. industry - Sole U.S.
.
Representative George
Perkle of the Textile Workers
At all of these meetings our British colleagues were present in full force The greater superiority British industry possesses in understanding and control
of the asbestos health accniodae ccn idet nt
I hope the programs of the past year with Drs Selikoff Nicholson Murphy
Enterlin Vaen Atta and the review of mortality studies by Mazz Swetonic have
been helpful in making up for that absence of communication and together with the conference to begin this noon will serve to create a better understanding
of the challenges facing the asbestos industry in this country
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With
respect to the second objective I think we can
without qualification
principal government accepted the principal AIA is firmly established
regulatory information regulatory
industry agencies authoritative speakers afternoon regulatory regulatory regulartoerygulatory
The
as an
list of
and
to
by
authoritative
source source source
of
appear
before
before before before
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this
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that tomorrow is clear evidence of
fact
Thanks to Ed Fenner and his Technical and Standards Committee AIA has made
Labor a significant contribution to the revision of the OSHA Asbestos Standard
I can assure you the
Department is appreciative of this effort and
that it has contributed greatly to the credibility of our organization
In addition to our close contacts at
we are
OSHA respected at the Environmental Protection Agency
vital Administration agencies of
importance
well established and and the Food and Drug to the asbestos industry
There have also been contacts too numerous to detail with other Federal
agencies such as MESA FTC , CPSC NIOSH and others as well as contacts with many government subcontracsubcontractorts ors working on asbestos matters
The legislative
in contact with
area has not been neglected neglected We have visited and have been
legislators interested in OSHA and the asbestos industry
and have attended and monitored House and Senate Oversight Hearings as well
as many other meetings on asbestos matters
way We still have much to do but
realize ago Perhaps most of you don't
was nothing more than a room
we have come a long
in the past year
it but just aa little over a year
AIA
full of files with virtually zero capability
to answer questions or provide technical or ootthehr er advice
We have been most fortunate in having as Executive Director since late August
last year Bob Mereness whose experience as a Public Relations Officer
joined with and whose knowledge of the Washington scene have put us on the map Although
he
us
virtually no knowledge of the asbestos industry his progress
up the learning curve has been extraordinary
We are office
also
matters
grateful
since
to
she
joined
our
most
organization last October October
The office staff was greatly strengthened by the
addition on July 1 of
Bob Pigg whose years of experience as an AdministrativeAdministrative Officer will be
Mereness of great value in freeing Bob
from the demands of office routine
hand will permit him to spendhis time more productively on government
other legislazive and
outside contacts
In
summary
summary
formerly to
we've
we've
serve
got
got
the
viable
viable
a viable
going
going
going
operation
operation
fafarr better better
membership of this association
membership
equipped
than
ers
a]
FUTURE
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I As I will be steppingstepping down as President I am not going to
prehensive plan for the future but do want to emphasize
of aggressive and effective programs in two areas
present
importance
the
.
a com-
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3 Customer education
2. Medical surveillance and research
.
a
os
, Stender With respect to the first point Secretary
has clearly stated that
on methods of compliance with
small the job of giving guidance to
employers
private OSHA Regulations is one for the
sector
Our industry must expand who need help in
or all customers small
large
;
asbestos this concept to cover
understanding or in complying with the
regulations
This is
a must if we are to protect our markets
.
describing We
badly need
a
of
series
booklets
describing
work practices for our customers
Although final publication may have to be delayeduntil the new regulations
have been established we should get on with the preliminary work at once
We have the technical capabilities within our membership to do this
.
Ed
I wish
Fenner has already discussed this and has started the wheels rolling
that his committee will need a lot of membership participation
to emphasize
do all the work Therefore I ask each
We cannot expect
few individuals to
of the engineering time
member to be prepared to contribute his fair share
and talent needed to do the job
MEDICAL SURVEILLANCE ANDRESEARCH
data relationships to cover medical surveillance programs for active
I have used used this term
as well as
employees andand mmortality ortalitystudies of former or retired
employees
and on the
research programs seeking
on response
that contribute to the cause of disease Industry can make signi-
factors
advice and guidance is needed
ficant contributions in these areas but expert
deficiency all well aware of a serious deficiency deficiency in the U.S. asbestos industry
We are We don't have an ARC or an IO
As an association we have no one to turn
to for expert medical advice and with the exception of one or two most
companies in the industry are in the same position
We have discussed the unsuccessful attempts
subject ad nauseum and have made several feeblefeebfleeeble
to develop a relationship that would provideprovide us
2 readily accessible source of expertise expertise
and with
time
"
I
suggest
that
that
the
time
recommendations
leadership recommendations
FFirstirsFirst t
for
for
aaggggrersesisvse ivaeggressive
that
that
that
AIA
AIA take
medical
established protection medical medical
surveillance surveilance surveillance
surveilance surveillance
programs
programs
programs
action
action
is
is
a
a are re
established
adepquraetseent industry of
and future workers in the asbestos
now
and and
I have have
two
two
that
role
to
to
insure
that
for the established the
protection
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comprehensive medical medical surveillance
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Standard are minimal specifcaly do
for asbestos workers recording
things requirements the Standard things
fiber exposed exposed
require recording recording of
information habits habits types of
severity severity exposure exposure other
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such 2s T have just
second recommendation
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a
program
such
as
just
out-
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easier
than
getting
if
implemented If
industry
managers
to
be expected be a
programs expected institute
and
supervise dust implemented
medical surveillance surveillance
maintain records for medical
future
to programs
research substantial cost or to
understanding the benefit benefit
research
they must have a better
presently exists
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presently exists
of the
providing a meeting
for the
express
purpose
of
providing
the
line managers managers AIA sponsor with authoritative authoritative authoritative information
laymen's language
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and that the meeting information laymen's
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