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FILE NAME Brand Insulations BIN DATE 1972 Feb 11 DOC BIN009 DOCUMENT DESCRIPTION Minutes of meeting re Mobil Oil specs Lo BRAND Corbeil :. BRAND . M. Se Mulvihill Norman Waverley FLUOR I. Die McCage . Lowery Kisby Danner Winkle February 11 MOBIL S. Kettorer J. Good R. Willits Willits believed Davis saidhe this of Brand was making a federal issue out 1 Corbeil Mel said it where Brand was and the end Brand was was not federal issue but not like so many other jobs only trying to let everyone he wanted to let Fluor know right - that everybody starts screaming at involved know that this tentative schedule nght be a problem I. Davis said that he realized Brand's position and that many things come elements sideration such as weather hydro human failure material late He then stated that the end date was in May 1973 into conand nature ' Mel Corbeil stated that he could live with May 1973 but when Drand would get in - trouble is when fluor would compress the schedule I. Davis said that lluor would do everything not to compress the schedule too badly ; as to force a manpower situation Mel Corbeil said Brand would man the jcb I. Davis Brand to said he realized that exceed these limits there were saturation limits and Fluor would not nak Mal Corbeil again so Fluor couldn't stated that Brand just wanted to let Fluor know say why didn't you tell us scopar questions had any He said no job to thesaturation limits and | delighted toseeBrand and the painter valkoff going the . the Union was havea problem furnishing men This is this situatthirooungh tahs egrape He also stated thatthere werealterna- McCage McCage then onid the next topic was the OccupationHazzard Law OSHA Corbeil offect into said that these were brand new laws that have come January January 1 1972. Monitoring the air and such since - revision and it still was the cams act would have to be interpreted by a lawyer one reference and he thought if they went back to the another reference that perhaps would be a little more ae then Local stated a Contractor should comply strictly with all State and perfor- the Federal Federal Laws Orders and Regulations applicable with its operations in mance applicable mance of the work hereunder including without limitations all government and safety regulations statutory dowhat they lawyers Paragraph read No. 8 and let your asked Brand for a letter from Brand rescinding the previous letter that get send He threatened if he didn't this rescission he would a the problems of said here that we have a few problems out but one then . Don said that Fluor would not buy the vessel and Brand cannot matter it the on with this spec He then asked for some discussion on asked Corbeil value why it wasn't acceptable because of looks or what Was it becausiet didn't have the a oe then said he would leave this up to Quality Control te Danner then said that it wasn't actually weatherproof He caid the head taken wit unquestionably loose P. Danner then explained that three goren had been inspection He felt that these gores could be pulled tighter | was Pauly explained Lou that if everything was taken off and reinsulated and remetaled there would be no difference At this time he went to the blackboard and explained that by pulling the gores tighterthe only thing being accomplished was compres- of material Lou also explained thatFluor and Phillips Cetschow had people walking all over and told P. Danner that he had admitted Fluor people were on this iat Lou Pauly explained that Brand had was acceptable to no one He also tried to make adjustments on this head but it explained that taking .020 metal and putting it over 8 lb. blanket was like putting the metal over a pillow lay ofthjeobn said he didn't feelthat putting .032 metal .on wouldinsuladtion othatmuch on ee 1 1 Danner :then explained that Fluor had made comparisons with 032 032 metal the anhd imotsheerlfjotbosusine .th0e3a2mreetaal Hinesatlesaodsoafid that Krez's sheet metal man the is fact that this thick headwasonly one thick We insulation 6 inches only Corbeil that : underneathunderneath Brand wouldnot have undernath thisthis M. was felt it he He ; problem wrong for that aize diameter vessel He also said thatthe br did value was still there but apparently it not satisfy the eye , Lets to put it this way In the specs you have the option use the design on heado Brand is saying the spec is all right and it is not Nel Corbeil caid the option is about times the cost He 73; the CalSil option when he has the option to use blanket Don McCage anked if he wouldn't use the Sil when Brand : trouble with this blanket said he would was having so not take much MelMelCorbeil said the labor was the difference between between putting blanket on compared to putting Cal on McCage Don many trying straighten asked how hours had have been been spent up on this how to many times out this head Corbeil value said yes we do have the option still only value was the thing there : that Corbeil notlooksatisfactory the satisfactory to | McCage said it wasnot satisfactory to Fluoron a weatherproofing basis was not only looks it didn'tmatter what itlooked Mel Corbeil Corbeil Corbeil Corbeil reminded reminded Fluor that the top was stepped on said he observed that on some vessels , custom goresweremade at parti- cular points on heads tight quarters and such not have been employed on this vessel He wondered if this method could said the vessel was done the only way it could be done 1. and then gore off of that hat piece could not have been made for the top of D Lou Fauly said absolutely not He then went on to explain how gores are made and that is the circumference is measured and when a rule lifts 3/16 of an inch off the circumference that - apprentice sheet metal determines the man would know size of the gore He this Lou Pauly also also stated that any explained that there are two angles you have to figure not one P. Danner then stated that special gores were made in some cases hewished and to Pauly again Lou he stated that this was on D under a hell hell would havemade them lift the platform platform Davis McCage 1. said Let's talk about the current problem Fauly then asked Don if Brand could mastic the head '. . m to other use the words youare givingusthe alternative alternative mastic ' for mastic arbitrarily instead do the headscalled metal of mastic at no extra that if somebody - stepped theseheads it would you would get a shitty looking job compress If these heads had happen thing that would wwould ould be the bondonthe mistic Fpoeuolpyle Lou went been and on top of points pressed in the base insulation metal however ,i, not come - back outits weatherproof except where oO . had pushing on itwas not weatherproof or werewer they waeoak - just assum- that did not weatherproof gores did alsohe and the would not felt follow there | be He said that same contour of the head underneath . was thick bseaid thickunderneath way might Corbeil this took place because of the blanket being stepped also said on some jobs where traffic is going to be on a head of Cal Sil but never go to 8 lb. blanket they put especially 3 inch another story a walk- One inch ey Danner admitted to traffic on the insulation Brand people were on this head He said Fluor Phillips Getschaw MO, Corbeil Mel for . said he didn't feel the spec was adequate for what Fluor was looking Don McCage then asked what Brand as an insulation put on an adequate hend company did on other jobs to said option then what you are saying is that you have the to go to , : 3 Cal on theheads , , but Brand does not want to exercise the option asked DannDearnner standing of howmany cases there were whereyou would use the 1 rib instead instead butMr.Brand said he had been listening with interest all this time are you going to do ; Mel explainedyouexplained to him that it was the spec and told him when you do a tank do not make the heado in.020 032 ls work in the area e yes Union Oil and Northern Pet Corbeil answered ene ee Corbeil Corbeil said that aluminun heads were fine on small diameter vessels but on larger diameter this he infovremsesdeLlosu e had better you are was just a better off with flat change to a bonded aluminum Lou Pauly any time in the future he type roof At the time heads Mel also stated sees a problem with the to let Fluor know immediatelyandand recommend a change Mel said that we go Ralph Willits then stated diarogard for that he felt it was workmanship whichBrand quality their MelCorbeil said this is not so He said if itwas would go back to the Union and make them do this head on workmanship own D. said Lowery that 2, that blanket recommendehdeavier density 15 mineral in mineral wool block blanket be usedon that Brand was going to start doing things differently arbitrarilychange things just for the diferently ) it shouldhavebeen to Fluor's Mel oaid brought Fluor's attention Corbeil going problem said he didn't think it was to be a : wewe and Brand is telling Fluor of the problem Now We did this head to know better Brand isn't trying to do a cheap job Brand hasn't specin goodfaith - We're cheap here out We're only in the first phase of a big refinery done anything . a a I. Davis said that's why we should straighten it out now and Lowery he Brand would get together and try to He asked D. if this straighten matter Ralph out take Willits was leave then said that Brand's Brand's attitude so far on this job to it or . it He also stated that Brand has made no attempt to fix this head 8 Lou Pauly said I beg your pardon We've spent hours trying to work-onit at people this . Nobody accepts it or offers any suggestions Lou also felt that the ing tank really didn't didn't know what they were looking for look- Aone Mel Corbeil only said that Mobil a Chevie and they want a Cadillac The thing bought the Brand goen by is the specs and we've lived up to the specs to letter of the law Don McCage then brought up the next subject which was the damage to 401 Davis I then said that he felt that the damage to the tank from all physical ovi| dence , was a combination of faulty material and poor workmanship He based this a conclusion on the fact that the only place that the tank failed was at the ving I. Davis felt the wing seal failed failed and clip fi spec said failed that he Lou felt if the clip met thespec N the oe thenthe * Mulvihil Possibly felt that this tank sits out by itself it took thebrunt He also felt that this tank actually guards most of the other tanks Davissaid they had proof that the winds only read 55 M.P.H. It would be dif- ; ferent if the winds were over 100 F.H. but they were not Mel Corbeil said they might not have been where the wind velocities were but taken could havebeen at the tank itself He also stated that this area was the tornado belt and everything should be backed up 1. Davis said the whole plant had to be designed for 100 M. winds Mel Corbeil said that Brand had recommended the original spec hadn't called for stitching screws and this and after much trouble and discussion they were finally approved I. Davis said all physical evidence leads him to believe that some cort of flexing - action started and opened up the clip He asked who the manufacturer of the clip WAB . Davis asked if the clip was up to snuff and if the clipwas also also askedif Childer's Childer's clip was as sturdy as Gerrard's said he didn't feel it was as sturdy as Gerrard's Gerrard's the spec He asked if I. Davis felt these clips wero plants he hadtaken atour of some other in the area Gerrard observewads pop rivets instead of screws crimped clip clip rivets clip instead of Childers I said also the pop on Davis saidhe felt Brand should take a good look at the men Corbeil asked if I. Davis felt the band was pulled too tight Davis suid he had no reason to believe that the clips on all the tanks He suggested that Brand check Mel Corbeil said I presume that everything we discussed here today is Brand's fault NoComment Ralpli that 7 Willits said that the winds were only 8 lb. por square footand is not nearly what the design calls for The design calls for 32 lb. per square foot Robert | Norman said that the wind is funny He has seen one trailer next to another trailer and only one blown over You can't really cay that the wind was 55 M.P.H. | and with allthe possible law suits that both Mobil and Fluor should really wool looking in this direction He also said England has already -gotten this mineral pipe covering on the market Davis products the I. future said Fluor would be happy to look at some of these in near Meeting Adjourned ~ 10:20 Donald McCage Sincerely J. Louis Louis Louis Louia J. Field SupSeriuntenpdenet rintendent