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FILENAME: Flintkote (FLK) DATE: 1972 Mar 17 DOC#: FLK072 DOCUMENT DESCRIPTION: Director's Meeting Minutes of Quebec Asbestos Mining Association with Attendee List / ! # J j t r i t J* It 1< <I I i' mi UTES or THE 120th MCCTIN'C OF THE DIRECTORS Of THE J QUEBEC ASBESTO? MINING ASSOCIATION HELD ON MARCH 17th and 18th. 1972. AT THE CASA MONTEGO, MONTEGO BAY, JAIBA ICA FRIDAY, fURCH 17th, 1972 There were present Messrs.: J.R.M. Hutcheson ^ R . J . Merrill M.J. Messel R.S.Coleman W.W. Oughtred F.P. Smith Ph, Casgrain P,A. Filteou There were also present: Masers: I.C. Campbell J. O. R.P. L. K. Eby Cagnon C. Piuza V. Lindall A.H. R.M. M. J.O. D.T. Baganstose Batesan P. Carson Christian Colton President Vice President N Director Director Director Director Cenerl Counsel for the- Association Ceneral Manager and Secretary Chairman of the Legislation and Taxation Committee and of Public Relations Committee Chairman of Industrial Relations Comm. Chairman of Traffic Committee Chairman of Environmental Control Comm Chairman of Occupational and Environmental Health Committee Car8y-Canadian Mines Limited Turner A Newell"Company Asbestos Corporation Ltd. Caaaiar Aabaotoa Corporation _ Johns-ManviUe Corporation c < V - 2- Messrs.: M. Dorais Bell Asbestos Mines Limited E.J. Killian National Asbestos Mines Limited N. W. Hendry Canadian John3-Manville Co., Ltd. R.L. Hennebach American Smelting 4 Refining Co. J.B. Jobe Johns-Manville CorDoration A.S. Johnson Asbestos Corporation Limited D, Poutiatine Johns-Manville Corporation 5 fi ( /* < C.W. Smith W.J.W. Smitn W.L. VenCerbeek M, Prus O. L. Shank Bell Asbestos Mines Limited Bell Asbestos Mines Limited Johns-Manville Corporation Carey-Canadian Mines Limited National Gypsum Corporation The President of the Association, J.R.ffl. Hutcheson, acted as Chairman and P.A. filteau as Secretary of the meeting. The Chairman declared that a regular notice of meeting had been duly mailed to all the Directors of the Association and said notice was ordered to entered at length in the minute book of the Association. There being a quorum, the Chairman declared the meeting duly constituted. The Chairman expressed worns of welcome to Messrs. A.S. Johnson and D.L, Shank and his pleasure in having Mesara. R.M. Bateman, J.D. Christian and G.W. Smith attend thi3 the 120th meeting of the Directors of tha Association. The minutes of the 119th Meeting of the Directors of the A s s o c i a t i o n held on January 24th, 1972, were duly approved. The Coawait toe Chairmen were then requested to report,. __ c c - 3 - UNIfQRM CLASSIFICATION & CRADINC. AUP TECHNICAL COMMITTEE Uniform Classification 4 Gradings - In the absence of the chairman of the committee, the Secretary read his report. The main points stressed were: 1. .Quebec Standard Asbestos Testing Machine:- On January 25, 1972 Mr. W. K. MacLeod returned the signed acviement ;etw8en lynnMacleod and QAMA to produce the approve- -,'ersion of this testing machine. 2,. '"search on Us"_of Ab<?stos Tailings!- On february 15th,1972, filteau, M. Cossette and W.H. foster attended a meeting at . the "Centre de Rerh=r'-he Industrielle du C-jibec", The idea tuas to integrate tha research effort of all groups with the objective of total exploitation of asbestos mine tailings and arouse the interest of asbestos producing companies. Sucn a project, it was felt, would improve the environment- and air pollution, and diversify the economy of the asbestos region. A committee of four was formed at said meeting to look into what information is available. The committee to report in 3-4 months. Members ares Mr. Castonguay Department of Mines Mr. J.C. Roy Laval University (Chemistry) Mr. P.0. Perron C.R.I.Q. Q.A.M.A. Representative On a motion duly seconded, tf.H, foster was appointed Q.A.M.A. representative on above committee. CARRIED. Technical^ - A meeting was held on february 29th, 1972. c c vr-> v.t-.* ^4S.V.r-: .Wftv.v:: 5 T > v ti* 1 n 'i %S:S?5: -4- Chr^sotile_Ast?s t: ^ l es ^W an ua l :- Work or. the manual is proceeding well. The new A.T.I. fibre Testing Chairman is Mr. C.E. Stiefken. They have hired Wr. J.L. Tucker to assist in preparing the new manual, fir. Tucker did the same job, for the 1966 manual. Antici pated cost is 32.50 to S3.00 each for the new manuals, compared to i1 .53 for the 1965 manual. On a motion duly seconded, Mr. Tucker's paid assistance was approved "pro forma" by the Directors of QAm A. INDUSTRIAL RELATION'S CO^miTTEC As of fabrucry 1 st, 1972, the Association has a consultant on Safety, N.H. George. He will spend a minimum cf one week per month in the Q.A.M.A. operations. This is a yocri/ contract. Our ventilation engineer has requested approximately $2,500 to purchase a membrane filter sampling equipment. It Is suggested to wait for the results and findings of a study by the Environmental Control Committee before making any change in dust counting practices. No further information has been learned as to take-over of W.C.C. cy Social Welfare Department at this time. The matter is under study by an inter-departmental committee, as per Order-in-Council 3160. Bill C-253: - The recently appointed federal Labour minister O'Connell has Indicated that the Bill will be revised and will seek to encourage unions and management to include in new contracts some provision deal ing with the effects of technological changaa. Such provisions would not be subject to review by the Canada Labour Relations Board and unions would not have the right to strike during the life of the contract. Although this concerns the federal Jurisdiction, the e n a c t m e n t of such l e g i slat i o n w ould soon p e r m a o t s into tho Provincial c c t r a f f i c caww;"tete: Q.A.M.A. has been asked by the Provincial Govern ment to assist them in trying to get the new Japanese container service to call at the Port of Guebec. This service should start in Hlarch 1973. Heretofore, only the ports of Halifax and Saint John, N.9. had been mentioned and no consideration given to the ports of Guebec or Montreal. The cost of transportation to and from Halifax and Montreal Is 887. per container in each direction. It is possible that the savings in transportation of these containers may induce the Lines to call at Quebec despite the additional mileage. The Province of Quebec has asked the Deputy Minister of Industry and Commerce to prepare an economic study and have a delegation go to Japan to sell the advantages of the Port of Quebec. At a meeting attended by both the chairman of the Committee and the General Manager, the question was asked if each asbestos producsr would send a delegate to Japan to support the project. We explained the project to each director of the Q.A.M.A, and it was agreed that each company would send a delegate. The group will be l9aving Montreal March 23, 1972 for ten (10) days. The Canadian Cmbassy in Japan will arrange for meetings, etc. We have no guarantee that the Lines will accept to call at Quebec, however, we believe it is a worthwhile effort. CP_Rail_-_CP_SteaBahigs_Servicoi - At th request of th Prasidant of tha Q.A.M.A. wa hava mat with both CP Hall and CP Steomohipa ___ outlining th difficultios experienced'by th Q .A.M.A..andCanadian .. Pacific. We ballava we will see some improvement aa result of thase meetinga. c c - 5 - Fate_-lecotiations: 1. Truckinq rates to oorts of Montreal/uuebec have been increased 20/ per ton. 2. United Kingdom Conference u/ill maintain same rates for 1977 - no increase, 3. Australian Conference increased its rates S1 . per ton. 4. Japanese ocean, rate, are being increasec 10 percent, 5. Wediterranean/Spanish Atlantic rates increased approximately 82.50. deny of the services used now assess a 52. bunker surcharge together with a currency surcharge. General: - Rate quotations are increasingly being quoted on a "House to House" basis. This change increases the importance as wall as the work of the Traffic Committee. The new rata structures are devised to eliminate break bulk. Both inland and ocean carriers have published rates where it is prohibi tive to ship conventional. LEGISLATION AND TAXATION cornui tt ce Income Tax Act - Canada: - The new Federal Income Tax Act has bacone law but it will be some time before its full implications can be digested and the problems associated with it3 application identified. The Quebec Government must amend ita Income Tax Act to concord with, the nBw Federal Act. Competition Act - Canada: - The Competition Act (Sill C-256) originally " tabled during the previous session of Parliament~was'withdrawn after c c 1 I f - 7- p attracting heavy criticism. I It seems likely that under the new Minister, the substitute Bill which is promised for the.present session of Parliament u/ill be modified to remove cr at least ameliorate the most objectionable provisions of the- original bill dealing with the aspects of criminal law and the powers of the Tribunal. > A n t i l y t o n _ A c t _ --_Quebec - The Quebec Government has yet to 1 table its legislation with isspect to air and water pollution although the Minister responsible continues to promise in his public pronouncements that ha is going to ba tough. It searns unlikely that this act will come down until mid-summer and at that I time there will still be an opportunity to make representations. ^ 1 1 Real_Estate_Assessment Ac.t_-_Quebec^ - This has now become law i but its impact has yet to be fully assessed pending the promulgation of the regulations issued thereunder. At this time it woulo not apoear that there will be any major problem. PUBLIC RELATIONS-COMMITTEE In his review of recent public relations activities the chairman of the committee dealt with the following items Ce.logical Cuideoooki - Authority was asked to gc-ahead with the publication of said guidebook at an estimated cost of J4,800. to is ,400. Part of cost to be recovered by sole of books to companies. The motion was duly seconded and carried. English^Trench LeVicon_t - Appreciation is extended to Col. G.W. Smith for-hie-expert services in revising its content. Mr. C.W. Smith explained that 80^ of the terma had been corrected and that the next atap was the translation into appropriate french. ______ c c > / | 4 l If } *1 ' I - a- s b e " This folder as well a3 the report on the State of the Industry were tabled for final reviBw by the Directors; adoption of same to be proposed at the meeting of the following day, March 18th. ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL COMMITTEE: The chairman- briefly commented as follows. Number 8710 3M's dust mask, is not available as yat; the expected oric8 to be between .50 and ,60/i pr unit. The Committee will try to obtain cooies of all briefs presented at the EPA Hearings in Leo Angeles and forward a complete set to eacn member -company. It was pointed out that the- question of bag cloth and the building of an asbestos coke on the inner wall of thB air filtration bags was fully explained at the above EPA Hearings. The matter of warning labels on fibre, bags was left for discussion at the meeting of March 18th also. NEW BUSINESS Peking Solo fair: - The fair will be held between August 21st, and September 2 nd, 1972. The industry will have one collective booth for the five participating companies. With a map of the world on the background, asbestos products and samples os well aa photos of mines and mills will be displayed under the general titla "Asbestos throughout the World". Mr. M, Pharo is chairman of the committee and it appears that the project 13 pretty well on schedule. COMMENTS ON GENERAL BUSINESS CONDITIONS The asbestos fibre business seemed to be in a state of confusion. With the building of inventories and some c u t t i n g bock of production, one wonders if deliveries will actually materialize. In the midst of uncertain world conditions it is hoped that the optimists will win. MINUTES or the: 1 2 0 th MEETING QF THE DIRECTORS OF THE QUEBEC ASBESTOS MINING ASSOCIATION HELD ON MARCH 17th and 18th, 1972. A T THE CASA MONTEGO, MONTEGO 8AY, JAMAICA SATURDAY. MARCH 18th, 1972 There wars present, in addition to the Directors and their associates who attended the meeting of Friday, March 17th, Dr. G.W. Wright, Chairman of the Scientific Committee of the I.O.E.H. \ After calling the meeting to order, the President, J.R.M. Hutcheson, invited K.V. Lindall, Chairman of tha Occupational and Environmental Health Committee, to report on recent activities. In reviewing briefly the report tabled by Dr. Pelnar, Mr. Lindell emphasized two important International Conferences coming up in 1972, namely the 17th International Congress on Occupational Health in Bueni Aires in September 1972 and the meeting of the International Agency for Research on Cancer in Lyon, France, in October 1972. Ths documentation in the Library of tha Institute has bean increasing sharply ovor the last few yearaj in this raapect tha mailing lists of tha Institute are presently being revised and brought up-to-date. Commenting tho E.P.A. Hearings in Los Angeles, the Chairman of the Committee Indicated that the Board seamed more concorned^wlttrthe cleaning of the environment than with mesothelioma. 'In his presen tation Mr, Lindell mentioned briefly that commercial talcua powder contained asbestos and that it was worth investigating- fullyi Hs also pointed out that the coating of asbestos fines whioh_forms on ths walls of tho filter bags in the Canadian mines dust control c c V - 2- systems reduces the air-flow to within the specifications limits for tha fabrics; more testing is required to verify this contention. He also pointed out that much of the technical and other data that form th background of the proposed National Emission Standards under rsview at the Hearings had been obtained with the complete co-operation and assistance of the asbestos industry. As to the question of priorities it was felt that there were nine be answered, as per Dr. Wright's Springs. for asbestos and health research or tan questiona that needed to report at the meeting in Colorado Two publications would be very useful, one for general distribution which.could bp entitled "Why Asbestos Is Essential", and a sscond one, for limited distribution to scientific bodies, on research work in the field of asbestos and health conducted up-to-date. Dr. 1 Higgins of the University of Wichigan at Ann Arbor, has been invited and has accepted to Join the Scientific Committee of the Institute. Dr. Higgins is a man of considerable experience, having conducted extensive work on asbestosis as an apidamiologist; it is believed he will bs a real asset to the Committee. The Committee 13 also looking for Canadian Doctors as likely candidates. Wr. Lindell invited at this time Dr. Jright to report on behalf of the Scientific Committee. Or. GEORGE W. WRICHT Dr. Wright's first comments wera to the fact that tha Scientific Comaittoo had so far served the industry vary well. Tha fact .that the Inetituta ia a Canadian body, it ia important to have members of Conadian nationality.------------------------------------------ c ( - 3- He had hoped to submit by this time a strong program to os imple mented by the Institute, but because of pressure from E.P.A. and the Hearings on proposed Emergency Standards, hs had been unable to do so. \ Mr. G. Gibbs of McGill University has submitted a project for a preliminary study of the spectrum of fibre sizes to be found in the air of working places under the influence of actual operational conditions. This exploratory study is considered to be a most important one and it is hoped that it can be funded as soon as possible. The amount of the grant requested is $18,530. In the matter of setting safe standards for asbestos what we needS to learn is the dose-risk relationship. Variations of type of fibre and the circumstances surrounding their use must be taken into account in answering the question and would suggest the possibility that different standards might be rational in order to meet different conditions of use of asbestos. The four diseases thought to be related in some way to the inhalation of asbestos fibre are* pulmonary fibrosis, bronchogenic cancer, thickening of the pleura and mesothelioma. Not a single one of these diseases Is peculiarly related to or caused solely by the inhalation of asbestos fibre. Or. MacDonald in hla 3tudy of workers in the mining a :d milling of chryaotile asbestos in the province of Quebec showed that individuals must be exposed to higher than 6 fpcc in order to reveal any evidence of aabsstoais. For bronchogenic cancer the exposure required ia even higher, 10 to 12 fpcc. Dr. Harr Weill of Tulana Univeraity in his preliminary reaults of hla inveatigation of workers in the aebeataacement industry in Nam Orleans demonstrates that reduced asbestos exposure in the plants produces s lower risk of developing pulmonary fibrosis and cancer of the lung. Dr. MacDonald showed also that_____ past exposures in the mining and milling of chryaotile asbeetos were I c c 1> i I ! i i i v - 4 - far leas hazardous than exposures in asbestos textile manufacture or the insulation worker's trade, for this reason, it may be rational to have different standards covering different occupations depending upon the variety of asbestos used. In the case of mesothelioma, the Selikoff group is pushing for a number. There is a lack of expertise and a survey is needed in the U.S. The current standard in the U.S.A. set by OSHA is 5 fpcc and was set only a few months ago, A letter from the unions stated that the standards were inadequate and asked for an emergency standard (NIOSH), In the case of tailings dumps, the C.P.A. is ready to allow visible emissions up to SO yards from the source. Dr. Wright then summarized his presentation to the US Department of Labor, OSHA Hearing in Washington on flareh 17th, 1972, In this statement Or. Wright described the kind of data required for characterizing the dose-risk relationship in such a. manner, that it can be used for setting an occupational standard for airborne asbestos on a scientific rather than an arbitrary basis. Because of the difficulties described, much of the data now extent, con cerning asbestos associated disease, is of no uss for setting a standard. Isolated case reports and data giving exposures or biological effects without relating the two in the same population are examples of this kind of unusable information. Unfortunately, much of the data now available is competent only to aay that aaboatos ia more or is less hazardous in diffsrent groups and that tha exposure is varied. Nevertheless,"although not numerous, there are specific data competent to apeak to dose-risk relationship and these can be used for such purpose. I ( c I I / I i t I I - 5- Dr. Ulright indicated the reasons for his opinion that the Criteria Document had failed to do that which is incumbent upon it, namely, to provide sound scientific evidence to suoport their request for a change from the OSHA emergency standard and for a new standard of 2 fibers/cc TWA and peaks not to exceed 10 fibers/cc. He disagreed with the view of the Criteria Document th3t there are no scientifically obtained data adequate for the purpose of setting a standaro. He cited the studies which he believes are scientif ically valid and adequate for setting a first approximation to a standard or safe level of airborne asbestos in occupational envi ronments. In his opinion, these studies fully support the current OSHA^temporary standard of 5 fibers/cc TWA with peaks not to exceed 10 fibers/cc and the recent decision of the ACCIH that there is no need to change from this standard. It should be emphasized that prior to 1940 and for soma years thereafter, when many of those persons now developing disease were actually being exposed, the dust counts in mining, milling and'manufacturing commonly ware in the range of 10 to 100 mp/ft^. This was most likely equivalent to 30 to 600 fibers/cc. There is no evidence that exposures during that period for insulation workers was substantially lower and, on the basis of British and Finnish data, it was in that rangB. It is clear than, that the currant OSHA temporary standard represents a tremendous reduction from the dust levels of previous years and, in his opinion, includes a substantial safety factor. Dr. Wright believes this level will protect workers, using asbestos over a forty year or more span of employment, from developing aaboatosis or experiencing an excess of bronchogenic cancer. If crocidolite and perhaps amosite are more stringently controlled, tho liability of experiencing mesothelioma will be markedly reduced and probably abolished. > - 6- Dr. Wright then asked for comments by Messrs. Killian Bnd Jobe, on their presentations at the Washington Hearings. E.J. KILLIAN Mr. Killian identified the participation of National Gypsum in the Industry. Ha made it clear that some 10,000 hours of expertise showed that the 2 fpcc level was not attainable. It would take soma 1.3 million dollars to purchase preliminary equipment in an effort to reach said level, plus soma $700,000 to $800,000 in annual continuance cost. The simple placement of a label on products could causa a degradation of 60% of tha business. He took the approach of recommending a higher figure as an attainable standard. J.B. JOSE ' In his presentation Mr. Jobe tried to emphasize the economic impact, pointing out that the unions would hurt themsslves in demanding unattainable standards. Industry would not stand in certain instances the increased operating cost, leaving themselves open to foreign competition (which operates without standards). There is danger in labelling products when the asbestos content is over 5^, and steting that it may provoke aabestosis and cancer. Dr. Pundsack in his statement stressed that point quite strongly. ADJOURNMENT Since there were no further question asked at this time, tha meeting was declared terminated. CERTI FIEP CORRECT Secret ary Chairmen In t^e case of the Asbestos Hill project, a union dispute has delayed the schedule approximately two weeks. It is expected that a first concentrate will be produced next month and'that shipment will reach Europe in August or September, depending on the dock construction. The plant in Germany is in good shape. In England, the textile business is in a much depressed situation. Asbestos fibre imports are down, but somewhat better in Continental Europe. The situation in South Africa is good and India would import mora fibre, but is short of fnroign currency. Ir.. the newer countries, the economic situation is often disordered; it is rather difficult to be optimistic. The demand for products is N good, the problem is to finance it. Regarding health conditions in plants, efforts should be made to provide clean working conditions using all the information available. After putting plants in order, an attempt should be made in the best possible way to persuade customers to do the same in their own plants. Turner 4 Newell is ready to make available all technical information free of charge to producing companies and customers. This problem of cleaning plants is of absolute critical importance within the next two or three ypars. In U.S., thus far in 1972, business has been fairly good. Housing la quite lively; many plants running full blast on home Insulation, which is encouraged by the Government as a means to save on fuel -- consumption. It would seem that industrial capital expenditures ore showing up quite strongly - 10J higher in first months of 1972 as compared to same period in 1971. c c > - 10 - This is a.political year and the Government will try to stimulate the economy; 1972 should be a favorable year for' the construction industry. What will happen under the cost and labour regulations, everybody In U.S. as in U.X., management must make sure that plants abide by health regulations td be established. Management must also initiate an intensive program to change working attitude within the plant, otherwise the equipment will not do much good. Staroarcc for safe level of dust exposure which will be established today. (: fpcc), may be changed tomorrow (possibly to 2 fpcc). Medical research '' shoul'd' be continued to determine safe levels to prevent biological effects such as lung cancer, mesothelioma, etc. A world-wide survey of the asbestos market for the next four or five years does not suggsst a very good picture fer the few years hence. There is a throat to the asbestos-cement-pipe business looking down the road four or five years from now. The industry must activate its research to create new uses for asbestos fibre. It must also teach customers how to handle fibre. 1971 has beer., an excellent year for the short fibre business. In the case of one member company the demand has grown so much that it has been quite a struggle to fulfill all the orders. Some anxiety was expressed as to the CPA Hearings in Washington, in behalf of small asbestos fibre customers. Their future depends on the results of these hearings and they may have to discontinue manufacturing certain products*______________ I c c I I - 11 - I The Price and Control Board has brought about many problems to I certain U.S, companies. The latter have been locked by ceilings under which it has been impossible to maneuver. In the case of copoer, lead and silver there has been no trouble with the ceilings,' but on zinc the pries ceiling is sometimes less than the production cost. Labour negotiations are in many instar,cas long and tedious, pending' the decision of the Price-Wage Control Board. It is fearsd that the CPA regulations are going to be almost impofsible to meet with a tough enforcement attitude on the part of the inspectors. In general, the forecast for 1972 is somewhat bettar than in 1971. Although the months ahead are considered with some trepidation the outlook for the whole year is a little more optimistic. \ One company views 1972 as a good year. Building products are moving better than the total corporate business. Considerable work is being done in plants and with employees in trying to implement the 5 fpcc level In the working environment; unions are expected to support management. nimtiNIT5 8Y GENERAL COUNSEL In Ouebec, one worries about tha vacuum in tha Government Opposition. The Unit Qubec and Social Credit are losing 3ucoort. The P.Q. is the only party left and would very likely form tha official opposition, if there were an election now. Tha Government is about to coma to a show-down with the civil servants; it seems that the Government io prepared to take the necessary steps. -------- :---rr*" On the federal scone, thera might be an election possibly ln\Juns; the Liberal-Party is likely to come in again, but on a tough- oTaclTsnT I \> I I i I I <. . r: w **w>i'-- '` * c c \ - 12 - There seems to be a general swingi*^ to the right in many sectors and areas; you cannot go much further with the welfare state. ADJOURNMENT fleeting was adjourned to 9:30 a.m., Saturday, Parch 18th. SATURDAY, PlftRCH 18th, 197? (MEETING CONTINUED) Following a review of the Occupational and Ccnmittee activities (see minutes of flarch were asked for their decision on the items previous day. environmental Health 13th), .the Directors left pending the PU8LIC RELATIONS: - It was moved and duly seconded that the "Asbestos/Health" leaflet and the article "Asbestos in Canada 1971" be approved. CARRIED. ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL - WARNING LABELS ON FIBRE 8AGS1 - One Company Is having legal problems in view of what is presently happening. The Company has enforcec the placing of labels on its bags In U.S. and Canada and would like to know what i3 being done elsewhere. It would seem that in U.K. labelling the bags does not give one any legal protection. It is even suggested not to label the bags, since the customers already know about it. If something happens, the supplier ia still responsible. In the U.S. according to legal advice, warning labels would give rp.tectlo.n_to..suppliera over the long run. If overseas customers say they do not wish the label, thia should give'tha U.S."suppliers sufficient protection. c c > iI i /I ! - 13 - The subject was merely brought up for the consideration of the directors and their views on any action they feel warranted. MEETINC IN ENGLAND: - At the suggestion of several members, the Chairman of the meeting expressed the wish to hold a meeting in England next October. Mr. R.M. 8ateman replied that he would be very happy to look into it and requested that the General Manager forward the necessary specifications. adjournment There being no further business, the meeting then adjourned.