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FILE NAME Manville JMA DATE 1968 - 1976 DOC JMA317 DOCUMENT DESCRIPTION Meeting Minutes - Quebec Asbestos Mining Association 7/20/98 12/30/75 3/10/76 8/23/76 Quebec Asbestos Mining Association Lake considering labeling fiber chrysotile instead of asbestos Japanese government wants labels in Japanese but permission obtained for adhesive labels Inporters provide stickers which are put on bags when containers are unloaded p.2 Lake Asbestos N.Y. ASARCO lawyers recommended Danger warning labels Cancer Hazard language included All present agreed that the wording was too strong and could well cause unnecessary hysteria p.2 eyrnans ep oes ens esete Jeffrey Source Jeffrey QUEBEC ASBESTOS MINING Association 590 GRANDE EST SUITE 320 M Maarrcchh 21 21 1968 1968 QUEBEC 4 QUE Telephone 25-6731 rt. www Oughtred alte * * K.V. Lindell . 9.5 Coleman T5 J.h. Main Mr. Mr. NI Mr. R.J. M.J. P.A. F.P. Ferrill Messel Meyer Smith Tr 1. Sabourin - General Counsel Re AGENDAGAENDA SPECIAL MEETING NARC 25,1968 If you recall the Chairman of the ASTM 30 SubCommittee 111 reported at tre January 15 meeting of our Association that he had to disagree with the other participants at tre lest 7th Copant Weeting concerning the compulsory printing of the word chrysotile on fibre bags Consecuent to a review of the matter the Chairman of said committee intends to propose for your approval at the Grand Sahama Meeting That on every bag of fibre be orinted the word CHRYSOTILE In addition the Chairman of the Occupational and Environmental Health Committee would like to bring up at the sare meeting the suggestion that on every bag of fibre be printed the following warning THIS PRODUCT CONTAINS ASBESTOS INHALATION OF SBESTOS DUST OVER LONG PERIODS MAY BE HARMFUL EMPLOYEES EXPOSED TO DUST DURING USE IN APPLICATION SHOULD BE EQUIPPED WITH ADEQUATE PERSONAL PROTECTIVE DEVICES DEVICES ee ee ey forwarded These two points are separate for your advance consideration and particulars are FAF ae Ne foe {oD: Sincerely Sincerely Sincerely yours : . aa Paul A. Filteau General Manager MINUTES OF THE 113th MEETING OF THE QUEBEC ASSESTOS MINING ASSOCIATION HELD ON MONDAY MAY THE 18th 1970 AT THE MOUNT ROYAL HOTEL MONTREAL Present Messrs R.J. Merrill R.S. Coleman I.C. Campbell R. Hebron J.R.M. Hutcheson D. Poirier K.V. Lindell M. Messe J.O. W.H. Eby Foster Gec Robinson Ivan Sabourin W.W. F.P. Oughtred Smith A.P. Gagnon Paul Filteau Dr. R.J.Merrill chaired of March 20th and 21st the meeting Minutes of the Special Meeting 1970 were approved with correction in third paragraph of page 1 of rinutes of March 21st which should read sponsored by the Asbestos Information Committee | TECHNICAL COMMITTEE Becm The technical committee met on the 6th of May to review the work of the committees At this meeting explained the Chairman the Editorial Committee reported that the drawings the F.S.U. procedure were completed both in a short period of tire and excellent clarity of form All the A.5.T.M. procedures were then reviewed with recommended changes editing and suggested where necessary will continue at the next meeting This work of re- The General Manager reported to the meeting by letter that copies of the translated description of the test procedures in the Manual ere available from his office A special F.S.U. Committee meeting will be held on the 20th of May to try to finalize the amended F.S.U. procedure The major point of discussion will be on the advisability of making the opening in the B.O.P.fiberizor plates optional for longer 5 group fibres The work of the other committees is progressing satisfactorily ... wee ene Lee pa ee we 2 UNIFORM CLASSIFICATION AND CRADING COMMITTEE The chairman of the Committee was pleased to report as follows 1. 1969 Exchance Samples All results of tests on these exchange samples were issued in , late march 2. Fibre Length & Dia Project Project The data on fibre length as reasured by the Zeiss Particle Size Analyzer for each member company's 4 5 & 6 group 1969 exchange fibres was issued on May 7th to each company Similar type data on fibre diareter for the same fibre samples will be issued to each company within a week or so savs From this data a comparison will be made between this length diameter data to some of the present standard tests to see if there is a correlation This will decide the future of this program 3. Metric a The G.Committee has asked members to consider 50 kg bags for en opinier and discussion at the next U.C. & G. Meeting following a brief review of the pros and cons of such a change it was suggested to print on the bags the weight of a 100 lb tag both in lbs and in kilos 45.2 as a possible solution to the transition b Metric sieves for C.S. test are also being investigated Rotap etc. will follow 4. The U.C. Committee is initiating a study of the number of tests being performed on the yearly exchange samples to determine whether they are all necessary or can some be eliminated oe eee * meee r w ' Cote eet ee RE Te re eermey etme es ee rete mee 3 INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS COMMITTEE The Chairman pointed out that according to the recent statements from Mr. L.P. Pelletier Treasurer sation Commission the mutual rate of the Quebec Workmen's Compen- for 1970 had dropped from 80 to 40 and that the provisional rate was set at 2.50 As of December 31 1969 our group has a surplus of 175,032.00 if our * experience keeps uc it could well happen that our mutual rate eee could drop to zero a situation which has not existed since 1960 carnge The Treasurer to reply to Mr. Pelletier's letter on proposed rates am for 1970 sma ee of a Mining Fund prepared by Mr. Fernand Morin Chairman of the amie Provincial Advisory Council on Labour and Manpower it is therein suggested that a Provincial Mines Manpower Council be instituted This body would act in an advisory capacity on policies regarding Manpower in mining operations as per Article 41 section d of the Manpower Vocational Training and Qualification Act The Committee would consist of six 6 members three 3 representing ployers and three 3 representing the Union to which a the emrepresen- tative of the Department of Labour and Manpower and a representative of the Department of Natural Resources would be added In this proposal there is a measure which would tax no question of setting up a Mining Fund only slightly the mines with a short life and exposed the long coerators to pay for others It was pointed out however that companies must foresee the foreseeable and envisage the possible eventual establishment of a general industrial or mining fund It was moved to go along with the proposed special committee provided that the Association has a representative on the Committee ADOPTED The General Manager reported briefly on the recent meeting of the Workmen's Compensation Commission with the Employera At said meeting the President of the W.C.C. Mr. Maurice Bellemare former Minister ... Bem e mei. 4, of Labour and Manpower exposed his views as to intended modifica- tions in the structure and services of the Commission such as assignment of precise duties and responsibilities to each commis- sioner establishment of a public relations service houseorgan etc. As a means to win over his audience timental presentation of the work of on the stage highly successful cases jured employees the President made a very sen- the Commission by presenting of rehabilitated severely in- The President of the Conseil du Patronat countered with several suggestions such as the appointment of a commissioner at the sole recommendation of the employers no major change to be made in the structure of the Commission prior to the the Conseil du submitting of a brief by Patronat the right to look into the financial administration of the Commission and the investment of reserve funds etc. Bill - Following the banning for all practical purposes of judges from acting as arbitrators in labour management relations the Ad- visory Council on Labour and Manpower is list of presently establishing a persons cualified to act as arbitrators of grievances A great many of them are former union officers or university professors It behaves the employers to make a special effort to select and recommend likely qualified candidates who could serve as arbitrators TRAFFIC COMMITTEE The Chairman informed the meeting that rail truck and ocean rates were practically finalized Parity was obtained on rates from West coasts to Australia There is a % increase in truck and rail rates becoming effective June the 2nd An increase of is forecast over the next three 3 years truck 15 in truck rates rates for paletized cargo however are expected to remain lower Q.A.M.A. is objecting to being charged for terminal handling Montreal arguing that such should be invoiced to truckers in Nego- ... cee ten 5 e tiations are presently being conducted with respect to a container terminal charge of 5.00 is eee The Committee presently pressing Canadian Pacific for more con- Age tainers and flat cars to handle the asbestos traffic There are not nw cmren enough containers as a loeds in a container whole and different companies place An other container service has just different started Pene from Vancouver to Japan it is quite possible that container rates from Vancouver to Japan may be set with Montreal as point of origin. As far as the Arctic service is concerned nobody knows what will happen at present there is no space available since everything has been taken up for transportation of hides to Russia LEGISLATIOLEGISNLATION AND TAXATION COMMITTEE The various industry is mining associations have submitted now awaiting the submission by the their briefs and the Mining Association of Canada on the White Paper which should be completed shortly The new Prime Minister of the Province has indicated that medicare would be established if not on July the 1st sometimes before the end of refund this year It is understood to their employees any extra that companies will have to premium over and above that charged by the Government plan PUBLIC RELATIONS COMMITTEE At a that meeting of an opinion the Committee held on May survey would be conducted 12th last it was agreed in order to establish the degree of acceptance of the Producer and its utility as a communica- tions medium To this end a graduate of Laval University in Social Sciences Mr. Guy Champagne of Thetford Fines has been hired and will interview a group of some 125 readers selected at random in the Thetford Mines and Asbestos areas His survey could take some four 4 weeks at an expenditure of some 500.00 The Chairman also brought to the attention of the Directors the ... a can we 6 Industry's Centennial in 1975. It might be an occasion to generate favorable publicity on the industry Wall charts on asbestos industry are under way and should be completed in time for distribution in schools next fall At the recommendation of the Chairman the Directors agree to the selection by the O.m.M.A. of Mr. Neil George as Mining Man of the Year for 1970 It is also moved at the request of the Chairman that the salary of Miss Jocelyne Brouillette te increased from 375.00 to 410.00 ee effective April 1st 1970 e The President tabled a letter from Ma Guy Champagne requesting c scholarship from the Association in order to complete his master's degree in Social Sciences at that the Association was not Lavel University The consensus was habilitated to grant financial assis- tance for such purposes The General Manager to reply accordingly INSTITUTE OF OCCUPATIONAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COMMITTEE The Chairman advised that he had received a long document from Or G.W. Wright about the recent mesting be pleased to forward copies to each res have also been received fron the in Cardiff and that he would company Several small brochuAsbestos Information Committee and if it is the wish of the members members additional ecpies could be obtained for various companies . Each Director was given by the Chairman a copy of the blue brochure recently published by the Asbestos Information Committee follexing the Conference held in London This document is to be treated as confidential information anville plans to issue a similar document and has been entreated by the British Committee to set up some sort asbestos information service U.S.A. Dr. Selikoff is reported as having rade statements which would have brought about halting of proof asbestos spraying at world Trade Centre Building in New York Mr. R.L. Ottinger Congressman for New York State backing up set statements ... wee ome ot soe tte . appa tee wt ee canta eee ATS TE pm ae Cea wer ste ee ecm ae oan : NT ae Py The Chairman and Mr. I. Sabourin will meet with Dr. Selikoff on June the 7th to review a report on what could be done to treat asbestos fibre in order to make it biologically inert and yet be usable in products One question is What is the minimum dose which is not harmful It seems that different people have different res- ponses to the same exposure ; The preliminary findings of Dr. Vigliani in his research project at the Belangero Mine are somewhat similar to the results obtained by Dr. McDonald in his survey of Quebec Asbestos Mine Workers i Following a strict rule established by the head of Manville a notice was issued by the company at its Jeffrey Mine in Asbestos on the possible effects of dust noise and fumes on the health of workers masks should be carried by individual workers or be readily available ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL COMMITTEE The Chairman reviewed the activities of his committee as follows Design Committee - and well constituted interchanged All meetings to date Information is being have been well attended freely end constructively Discussions to date have filtering installations emphasized dryer stacks air handling and Companies visited to date are Canadian Panville Asbestos Cor- poration Lake Asbestos Bell Asbestos Flintkcte National next meeting to be held at Canadian on July 9 Asbestos- The next subject on the agenda is tailings disposal ... 8 ters fernt Pe ae ee Slew. c etee OF ee oe 8 cmpne qe Le Information on performance of electrostatic separator fibre gless bags at Lake Asbestos and Manville plans for dust collectors on new Dryer installation is all being made available to all com- , panies through the mittee and committee Controlled Growth Experiments - Second series of growth experiments et is under way On tailings alone to hopeful candidate found as ee yet But with as little as " soil 4 varieties of grasses were ee es found gccd These varieties of grasses will be field tested at Cenadian Manville as part of their current Property Beautifi- e cation Program A complete report will be circulated in due course ee2e Meetings Attended 23 1970 Through the efforts of Lionel Piuze and the committee Chairman Jan Kaczkowski the Q.A.M.AQ.A..M.A. made a real contribution to what would otherwise have been an abortive and frustrating attempt to get something going - The M.A.C. after hearing of our approach to an industry problem success and set up what cooperative will really be a copy of our approach - They hope to set up committees by Provinces and achieve a free interchange of information The M.A.C. will summarize Provinces programs and present a synthesis to a Mines Ministers Conference It should be realized that as a they solid are a meaningful program long way behind us b Seminar Industrial Environments - McCili Institute for Mineral Industry Research It was well that the Association had several delegates there since C.M.M.A. practically ignored the Seminar The Seminar had been sparked mine inspectors by Dr. Bellemare and others in Government All several representatives of Department of Health and Workmen's Compensation Commission were present ...19 OTe Se ren ee ea rene eal e caer ee ea 9 The General Manager and the Chairman of the Committee kept it on constructive grounds Dr. McDonald did an excellent job report- ing findings of his work to date Dr. Pelnac emphasized silico- successful sis men the and he too made small number of a questions presentation asked as measured by Atys The Chairman commented that he was impressed with facilities of the Institute The whole unit is devoted to the environment it is well equipped and growing It also appears to be well staffed and well supervised it is indeed a good facility for practical environmental research projects should need arise TREASURER The audited statements of the Association for the year 1969 were tabled by the Treasurer At his suggestion it was also agreed to drop the insurance on the bank account made available to the Director of the Sherbrooke Laboratory What about the handling of the mail should a postal strike take place One solution is to rent a post office box in some U.S. border town NEW BUSINESS for C.A.M.A. Approval of Legal Consultants the consultation by the President with the - In accordance with Directors of the Asso- ciation it was moved that the firm of Byers McDougall Casgrain and Stewart be appointed legal consultants to the Association CARRIED It.is planned to the Association ask Mr. Casgrain to attend the next meeting of mitted to the Directors for their approval It was also indicated that the presentation would be made by the Canadian Ambassador in Japan in the presence of the Trade representatives of the member- compcompanies anies of the Association AGREED ../ 10 * mo --- --- Ce ne abt Re flee ner ee NS ee anime Te en ee mene thee oe . cob Dt dana ae wee 10 DATE OF NEXT NEETING The next meeting of the Association will be held on July the 27th 1970 at the Ch^teau Frontenac in Quebec City It is proposed to invite the new Minister of Natural Resources for luncheon following the reeting ADJOURNMENT There being no further business the meeting was formally adjourned ten Ste Paul Filteau per General Manager & Secretary Nessis McDougall Casgrain and Dessaulles were guests of the Assc- ciation for the luncheon which followed INSTITUTE of OccupaTIONAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL Health MONTREAL CANADA WITH THE COMPLIMENTS OF 2 See -3- IOEH No 13 E. Vigliani Epidemiological study on the biological effects of asbestos dust at the Balangero Mine Continuation as a prospective study This project was approved by QAMA but it has not yet started and was not yet financed by QAMA The reasons for it are explained in travel report of Dr. Pelnar on his trip to Europe in June 1973 and it was fully discussed at the meeting It was decided to cancel this project and its support because the circumstances apparently Con't allow it to be carried out A letter in this sense will be sent by the secretary to the Clinica del Lavoro in Milan On the other hand Dr. Vigliani will be informed that the Committee is agreeable to consider another proposal of his if Dr. Vigliani can find circumstances favorable for his further studies in problems we are interested in In the meantime Dr. Lindell will investigate what causes negative approach of Eternit Company to Balangero studies 4 Germany Dr. Pelnar presented a report on his trip to to Italy and to France in order to attend the First European Congress of International Academy of Chest Physicians and Surgeons in Nice in June 1973. Since the full report is being circulated it is not presented here ' 5 Dr. Wright reported on his recent trip to United Kingdon along with Dr. Lindell Dr. Wright and Dr. Lindell : visited the Institute of Occupational Medicine in Edinburgh : where Asbestosis Research Foundation supports activities on asbestos They further visited the Pneumoconiosis Research Unit in Cardiff Also Dr. Pooley at the University of Cardiff was seen From the discussions in Great Britain desirability of the following has appeared 6 Organization of a conference of a working group on experimental work with asbestos Attendance would be Strictly material asbestos limited to persons who can for experimentation and to material into experimental and do make well defined persons who actually put animals The agenda should be 1 To examine feasibility a of clearly defining the properties of the material in terms of fibre length diameter ee Sme -4- variety etc. properties c sufficient for b of making such material with uniform . of making such uniform material in amounts its wide distribution as new standard samples of asbestos for experimental use d of generating respirable dust cloud of such uniform material for inhalation experiments 2 To examine and of fibres which are actually asbestos in the industry to clearly define the nature breathed by people exposed to 3 Current review of biological effects and transport in the body of experimental animals Perhaps problems of identification of fibre within the animal body should also be included One of the important tasks of the conference should be to establish what relation there is between the intraperitoneal and intrapleural injections into animals and the actual human exposure It was decided that such conference is desirable that it should be organized very soon if possible before the end of 1973 and that it should be organized by IOEH The location of the conference was not yet decided upon Possibility of various locations will be explored by the members of the Scientific Committee The Gajority was inclined to be in favor of the location in the framework of an important university But also a remote place such as Sterling Forest was considered 7 Application of Dr. G. Gibbs for a grant for the project A factor to convert total airborne dust concentrations using the midget impinger technique vo fibre counts as recorded by membrane filter method Application was thoroughly discussed and approved It will be presented by Dr. Karl Lindell to the Executive Committee for their decision on funding but Dr. Wright will check whether the study done by Manville Corporation did not cover the same field as proposed ee ee dae ee See Wm ne: -5- we 8 Proposal of Dr. L.J. Cralley of a project properties Continuation of research on the electromotive properties of designated metals to inhibit tumor formation by other metals and their compounds was discussed Support of this project was not approved A letter in this sense will be written to Dr. Cralley by the secretary 9 Desirability of a study of mortality of general public in areas around sources of asbestos was brought up by Dr. Wright The possible locations considered for such a study would be the surroundings of Balangero mines in Italy the area of Asbestos and Thetford Mines in Province of Qu^'bec or the neighbourhood of the asbestos mine in Vermont It was also mentioned that good conditions for such a study would exist in Scandinavia and particularly in Japan because of the general health pass used in Japan Dr. Higgins pointed out that mobility of population is a major obstacle to similar studies For a positive answer a population of 10,000 people observed over a year period would be necessary at the least Dr. Kuschner thought that a better answer can probably be reached by studying groups with low occupational exposure The question should be discussed in a smaller panel to be convened for this purpose The meeting was adjourned at 4:00 p.m. on July 14 1973 Premysl V. Pelnar M.D. Scientific Secretary e one Fr FE , i ; te vig Rae ene eee Source Source ee eT rr Jeffery Jeffery wine MINUTES OF THE 143rd MEETING OF THE DIRECTORS OF THE QUEBEC ASBESTOS MINING ASSOCIATION HELD ON OCTOBER 30th 1975 AT THE OFFICE OF THE BELL ASBESTOS MINES THETFORD MINES There were present Messrs Marcel Dorais J.R.M. Hutcheson M. Prus L.C. Piuze J.G.M. Mo^ney Ph Casgrain . Paul Filteau President Vice President , ' Director Alternate for Mr. M.J. Messel . Alternate for Mr. W.W. Oughtred General Counsel General Manager and Secretary There were also prese Messrs W.H. Foster G.F.A. Brink R. Gresham Y. Bolduc W.H. Bonneville H.J.W. Smith Chairman of the Uniform Classification and Grading Committee Chairman of the Technical Committee Chairman of the Industrial Relations Committee Lake Asbestos of Quebec Linited Canadian Manville Co. Ltd. Bell Asbestos Mines Limited The President of the Association M. Dorais acted as chairman and Paul Filteau as secretary of the meeting declared The chairman of General Counsel that the meeting with respect to the had two been called at the items appearing on request the meeting The chairman then invited Counsel to expose agenda of the briefly recent developments as regards these two items eee BBS een CER eH ap<Tete oaks BEM Sm care ne ie EN mae . oF Ew Lae Rn Te Oo Ne neEPI Rome ee LaeOe fees ot we! Ha tee cat ae . 7 Mg greta ce NN seme ee eres cadCiera agent eee ent Meat we Dass csaeinta pean ti ~hengiatc, varis retin et ne Nae is eae ces renet + a. ATE Mey eae BEAUDRY COMMITTEE INQUIRY on October 20th and of the Committee took place The first hearings to December the 10th the meeting was then adjourned lasted all day also extended to November for filing briefs was next and the date the 21st next eERMONTIUR he had generally been Counsel reported that as QAMA reapnrdesoetnhteartipvaerticipants _ well received by the Committee explaining that The CSD was present Mr. J.-P. and submitted a first brief H^'tu they were unable but the CSN and FTQ were absent strike settlement in Thetford to attend because of the impending Mines members gives the impression that they the The attitude of the committee basically from of threshold limits wish to approach the problem standard as proposed two fpcc level and moving up to the 5 fpcc distinc- of his letter to Counsel reviewed the main points In this regard the 16th in which he expressed the Beaudry Committee of October and made certain views of the Association some preliminary versus manufacturing plants . to mines and mills tions with respect He also indicated that the and the situation in other countriwersitten brief and testimonies of Association intended to present a received copy of said recognized experts members have already letter submission on the position general a The next task is to prepare * general general , of CAMA published the 5 fpcc standard is safe and a medically speaking need to go to a lower T.L. consequently there is no results of The statement to be backed by research by medical pertinent scientists air * sates antdun. ete eee Se 04 madeline eve -3- . el b technologically it is intended to demonstrate that aah it is not possible to achieve in general less than ; ai sal 5 fpcc in mines and mills Again this will have to be Saat (iY supplemented with adequate proof by technical experts The Committee plans to visit the mines and mills - first on the list is Canadian Mines - and then receive reports from individual companies The Committee also intends to go to Germany on the occa sion of a medical conference in late November and visit the Nordenham | . plant . During this phase of the Beaudry Inquiry it must be stressed by all that the 5 fpcc limit is generally the rule for mines and mills and that technologically tions can be expected as you cannot do any better Obviously questo the dust control performance at other plants of parent companies In plant as a whole the answer is other no words but in less than 5 fpce in a certain areas yes Certain definitions will have to be clearly stated such as time- weighted average T.W.A. related incapacity fixed and walking stations levels beyond which respirators must be worn maintenance work etc. It is also important that each company can state what it can do dust control and elimination In this respect C.J is concerning Beaudry a task group to conduct ^ professional job when the preparing visit This will be supple- comes to Asbestos for a plant Committee re mented by the presentation of a full report on the M mining and e Other Association members are invited for a milling operations ee demonstration if they so wish smerny On the occasion of such presentations company people could be ee to ores requested by members of the committee or other interested parties answer questions respecting plant operating conditions or work methods and practices members sane: cern tee oe TT ee SES Speer as os o ae per . Ce thee ree ee mem cag ewan eee eee . noe ey Resoo 1 - } To this effect a formal resolution see minutes of meeting of October the directors for submission to the Work- 3rd 1974 was adopted by men's Compensation Board at an appropriate date by Counsel The } directive was discussed at depth at a meeting with representatives of the workmen's Compensation Commission on October 24th since the Treasurer was unavoidably detained in Montreal 1975 but it was agreed that another meeting be held on this question at a later date Indemnities for Victims of Asbestosis and Bill - An Act respecting Silicosis - The W.C.C. has advised that as of October 27th 1975 Bill 52 will be made effective retroactive to June the 27th 1975 All asbestosis claims accepted by the Pneumoconiosis Committee after June 27th will be paid a fixed indemnity lump sum as established the bill taking into consideration age and disability of the by will be deducted claimant monthly pensions already paid to claimant, s , from fixed indemnities awarded Dr. F. Gr^'goirewill henceforth formulate strictly a medical diagnosis on estimated incapacity this latter and no longer recommend nor report function will be assigned to Dr. P. Duval to establish two types of certificates and The Board is pressing would like the mining companies to agree to such a proposal Certifi- : certificate fit to work anywhere Certificate B toa cate A to a person person with a certain incapacity but still fit to work in a mine or of 5 fpcc The B mill where dust in the air does not exceed a THA Certificate would be issued to an employee having an incapacity of less than 35 the W.C.C. will In case of the withdrawal of the endeavor to find work other than miner's in the mining industry as stipulated in Bill 52 Fear was expressed by certain members that incapacitated exployees a B Certificate and a fixed indemnity only will be dissatisfied gsiivnecne their compensation under Bill 52 would be less than the pension would have received over the years under the old system they Ye ege nan at pm re ee ene re a rs an ] ] ncti tien nate { se = entails ses ; ] , -6- ; Following the above explanations it was moved and seconded that the proposal of the W.C.C. regarding Certificates A and B be imple- mented Approved by the Directors with the understanding that the cases may still be appealed to a Council of Arbitrati, on created under the Labour Code as per Bill 52 In the case of the 3 certificate the Department of Natural . Resources felt that the dust concentration should be restricted to 60 of the allowable TWA 5 fpec otherwise there would be no reason for the B lizit would become Certificate It was pointed mandatory only on the 1st of out that the 5 fpcc January 1978 as of that cate the B Certificate would likely become unnecessary OTHER BUSINESS ' - inflation Act - It was agreed that as soon as : Bill regulations are adopted the Association should inmediately look into their content and c zeup with recommendations as to their meaning and application Counsel suggested that companies check with their legal advisors as to the latters interpretation of the Act especially as regards a surtax on excess profits on export business in due course an abstract of Bill 73 as enacted Counsel to prepare and submit to the Directors for their information ~~ ADIQUENMENT ADIQUENMENT ADIQUENMENT ADIQUENMENT ADIQUENMENT ADIQUENMENT I adjourned meeting There being no further business business the meeting then adjourned + f CERTIFIED CORRECT . iL F Te) Ve Secretary ; ' Chairman a Mine Jefrey Jeffrey Mine : DEC 1975 Hoeting'Q.A.H.A Hoeting'Q.A.H.A Traffic Comittee and Materials Handling Committee Lo Provence Notel November 7th 1975 Present Kere , -L Delaney Canadian Manville Glen Thomas Carey Canadian Ray Hutchinson Canadian Johns Manville S t.flPierre Canadian Ma^flville -R McDougall Canadian Manville J.M. Leblond Bell Asbestos J. Giansante Asbestos Corporation J. Turcot Bell Asbestos D. Maxwell Asbestos Corporation C.R. Therrien Carey Canadian R.P. Gagnon Lake Asbestos Len C. Kebster Lake Asbestos Jean Theriault Lake Asbestos G. Jatel Lake National A.K.G. Gibb Asbestos Corporation . ON5 e Opinions on bags any case There was a considerable discussion on bag labelling that it was not yet necessary to have bilingual labels were expressed However it appears appears that bill 22 will enforce this before very long In that the Asbestos Corporation Lake Asbestos are going ahead and it appears will do so G. Thomas of Carey stated that he had correspondence in lables would not be necessary This did which he had been advised that bilingual had read of statements by various not correspond with that one A.C. representative Mr. Thomas Quebec officials and those of oLfa RtehegiecodrereslaponLdaenngcuee Finraqnuceasitsieon but on receipt it . ; promised to send Xerox copies of the Dominion Government and it is still felt turned out to be with an agency will soon need bilingual labelling that if the intent of Bill 22 is carried out we Canada Mention was made of the fact that under Federal regulations the weight in kilograms cust show which will certainly bring pressure for a that the asbestos is a product of change to 40 or 45 or 50 kilograms The fact must also show It was - and the naze and address of the producing company advise him of what the Chairman that the individual members suggested eventually by what their companies plan to do they intend to recommend to their companies or to the Q.A.M.A. Board of and we should eventually make a joint recommendation . Directors the health warning label ws were advised Concerning and in their have studied the present one A.S. & R. Legal Department The label should that the for use in the United States opinion it is not adequate Some information and copies of apparently be a dangeronbottaina ecdauftrioomnto henereiesant government agency in Washington certificats are to be and we will probably be advised ears fe ay 98 LA rT ae 2 Coverment It was also pointed out that the Japanese I advised i will demand that whatever label we use appear on bags in Japahnaedscbeen c^tained : that our Japanese representatives had stated that permission are : Government to have adhesive labels applied when containers bferionmgtuhnesJtaupffaendesein Japan although it is not yet known if this is only 1 temporary 3 : or a permanent permit own legal advice and the It was suggested that cach company matter be further discussed at the should have its next meeting health For shipment to the U.K. it will apparently berme if not already in effect that catalogues quotations and necessary of orders but not invoices or shipping documents have acknowledgement warning label or sticker Lake advised that they had looked into the possibility apparently of showing the word Chrysotile rather than asbestos on their bags but Asbestos this will not be allowed Perhaps we should however show Chrysotile Crocidolite and even Amesite in view of the actions by some puthorities re There was some discussion of bagging equipment and Nordenham will have vill Lake and the Asbestos Corporation these z any advances have automatic sewing machines for coated woven plastic bags Apparently but seem to be working satisfactorily now There : created some initial problems of the machine in operation was interest expressed by other members in seeing one seme i. The subject of bulk handling case up and the members of found seen reminded of the experiments performed by Lake which were the committee were There is some skepticism on the part of some : by that company to be encouraging the shorter group 7 grades The test cars ; * other companies except possibbalcky ftoorthe mines and further trials are to be run j various locations were said to be on its way small nozzles at This is the one supplied by A.C.F. which employs and either intermittent sharp blasts of compressed air in the car These produce the reaction to the air blast or can be turned in - turn of their own accord from clain that this car can kindle up different directions The makers apparently skepticim to group four fibres but this statement drew considerable J.M. are still shipping 77-15 in bulk but use i So of car which is unloaded by a difference in air pressure different type the fibre from arching and refusing to representatives called whips are used to try to prevent and the JR flow The pressure differential used is about 15 pounds with anything longer don't feel that this type of car is likely to be successful few than the present grade There was general agreement that there are very at least for the present The Ligh cost American customers willing to consider of installation for handling and storing fibre in bulk ; had made a study of existing rates against those Carey in some cases as much as quoted by C.P. for bulk shipments and the rates which latter were would be no encouragement sisterer to shoui First find 100 higher than the present and did not seen logical It was agreed that we bulk handling works with longer fibre before talking to customers out if the A.C.F. car actually and to the railways and car supplier wp @ Ste tateast cmdanbh ite peeeerd, : | 3 bd Lake are still interested in getting from all of the : sizes used and then trying a joint mines a catalogue of the different pallet the sizes A.C.L. have already effort to decrease the number and standardize he looked into further as furnished information on this but perhaps it should have we may have been able to cut some of the pallets off of this five different pallets Carey It was felt that been able to cut theirs down to only down to less than 20 eventually but Asbestos Corporation could perhaps get be done on standardizing bag that it would be difficult until more work could sizes There seemed to be some diference diference difference diference difference of opinion on the but the rajority rajorrajioritty y appear appear appear to feel that it would value of a study on staannndoaurndciezdatitohnat in future theytthehyey will will will not supply fibre in valve done so be worth while J.M. Other mines have alalready ready b"gsif it can be pressure packed The next subject was the use of stretch wrap plastic in believe the former to be superior and are place of shrink wrap Lake Asbestos Asbestos Corporation has ordered installing necessary equipment at both plants one shrink wrap and one one which means that they will now have oneapsp.eraetrcehd wtorabye however that stretch Be basis steel strap machines The general general opinion for the future on a cost and efficiency TRE wrap seems to be the most promising discussion of the dust question and it e There was sore realize that standards being was pointed out that probably very very few people taken a large sheet of er would mean that if one would have it acsnmir requested or adopted touch once with a point of a very sharp lead pencil te white paper and merely or more than equivalent to the amount then the tiny mark would be equivalent to , cer of dust to be allowed in air in the future Star Bulk are talking of loading asbestos in one of their and for this purpose all mines were asked ships in what is called a Marino sling of six bags One of the to report to the Chairman the n minal size group new developments in sealing participants in the meeting asked if there were any dust problem with their automatic a bag besides sewing and also if Lake ha^ any packed and have no dust They use the latter only on pressure of woven poly sewing equipment with hot melt sealing problem Carey are experimenting Another question was whether different companie used throughout There in the doorwaysdoorways only or throughout cars stretch or shrink wrap palicts and some the other method There seemed to be no standard pattern some using using using w oa ns e made for shipment in such a was a question as to whether an extra cFheallrgestated that they were not but method and of the only two answering Asbestos Corporation said yes There was a fairly general consensus of opinion that suggested should be held about four times a year and it was suggested meetings of this type month before the next meeting of a advise all scubers one to attend to put that the Chairman date and the same time request all those expecting sfuogrgweasrtdedtheir ideas for subjects that should be on the agenda be mee ee wren + Oey . e . , | reece memreetrnens es WHT B itaa. <a i 2 a4 fia hr i re ares - a na . Cs Jeffrey Meeting QS .AoAur Trcafefic ComJefremy itteeM and MatMeriaals terials Handling Committee Committee Hotel Manoir Princeville March 10 1976 aa Present - J. M. Leblond Bell Asbestos FILE Camp Materials j J. Giansante Asbestos Corporation Materials ! G. Patel Lake Asbastos - National Materials LS J. P. Power Hutchinson R. G. Canadian ManvilleCanadian Manville Handling Handling Handling Handling R. H. McDougall Canadian Manville Committee Committee Committee G. W. Thomas Carey Canadian Committee C. R. Therrien Carey Canadian Wi We J. C. Lauzion Lake Asbestos 4 a9 yey) L. C. Webster Lake Asbestos General : R. G. Hutchinson was acting Chairman in the absence of ; R. P. Gagnon 3. Giansante volunteered to be Secretary of the Materials Handling Committee starting with the next meeting Items on the agenda were discussed as follows - 1. Bilingual Printing on Bags - M maintains that this is not required for commercial suppliers under Bill 22 but are making plans to do so Lake Asbestos sample bag has eight languages showing on each bag face Legal people are examining the situation 2. Federal Regulations - All producers except J.M. and Lake Asbestos have weight in pounds marked on bags With the approaching change to the netric system it is not clear whether some producers will omit the weight rarking or convert the 100 lb. to the equivalent in kilograms All agreed that conversion to a 50 kilo bag would be extremely expensive and that 45 kilos would be feasible Perhaps a 45 kilo marking should be adopted as soon as possible in order to forestall any special request to change to metric specifying 50 kg Lake Asbestos J.C. Lauzion will distribute copies of the Federal Regulation to all Committee members After study of the regulation each Company should advise the Committee what direction it wants to take ne en waren sree Dagmre b ra 4 . NC apart ae ans swam ne e oe ace mad N ete pene Health Warning - subject requested on this from Washington has not as Information received Legal advice is required in view of possible yfeutturbeeenclaims from customers involving the use of fibre in their plants or by their customers The question was raised as to whether this Committee should be concerned with printing labelling health warning etc. or should the Q.A.M.A. Environmental Committee be handling the problem It was recommended that we contact the International Standard Organization about putting this subject on their agenda so that they can advise what should be done Japanese Labels - Importers provide stickers which are put on bags when containers are unloaded We do not know if this is co be a permanent arrangement R. Gagnon to be contacted in Japan to inspect this operation if possible U.K. Health Warning - No change in U.K. request to have health warning on catalogues quotations and acknowledgement of orders Asbestos must show on bags but no conclusion was reached ' Lasegatlolythe need to indicate Amosite Chrysotile etc. This question should also be passed along to the Environmental Committee Automatic Sewing - Lake Asbestos is to provide information on the Automatic Sewing Machine and the bags used Pacomatic Carey Canadian no longer uses P.W.C. bags in its Hot Melt Machine but does process poly film bags Bulk Handling Asbestos states that the A.F.C. bulk car was unable to handle Lake used in their last test Besides not being able to the fibres unload the car there appeared to be a segregation problem successfully would require shipping four Freight rates for this typemakofe sihtipemceonntomically feasible Bulk ttorucfkiveshc iaprmsentpser ampopnetahredto to be more successful but shipment would be limited to a 500 mile radius because of freight rates 7. Cont'd The M bulk car operates well for one fibre grade sent large customer who is willing to provide for the proper equipment This type of business is not expanding to one receiving Discussion turned to other possible types of fibre shipments such as compressed blocks and pellets for bulk handling Problems seen with customer handling and in production costs Members are to contact their Sales people to determine if there is any interest known for pellets in bulk shipments 8. H Bulk Handling - No further discussion Cec rile 9. Pallets - ea Until now the benefits of standardization lay in reduced inventories and better approach to customers Now we also have the problem of the Returnable Pallet with difficulties in returning the proper pallets to the proper shipping point Despite instructions to customers the situation will get worse as the use of these pallets ; expands Discussion followed on possible standardization of the returnable pallet ways in which the customer could be charged for use of the pallets and situations where pallets are considered contaminated and consequently destroyed Each producer is to submit a list and description of all pallets used as a first step in solving the problem 10. Valve Bags - No further discussion 11. Stretch Lake Asbestos agrees to work up costs on Stretch Wrap in the next month and supply the Chairman with the figures for distribution to members M to supply costs for Shrink Wrap 12. Packaging - No further discussion 13. Marino Sling Lake Asbestos shipments are still in the experimental stage at Trois ; - Rivieres ars re iene Agents ct CEP EAN Se me en cert rs ry a i heen ne HWE ee ee. _A_ 14. Car Loading and Bracing - Huch discussion about doorway protection dunnage etc. for conventional railway shipments which are successful to some degree Use No Hump or Unload this Side signs is useless As a solution to condition of arrival of sthoipamceqnutisreM hunrderceodmsmeonfds the compartmentized car and is proceedoiensg not agree that this would them from the C.N.R Lake Asbestes advocating the use of the be a solution to their problems and are shipments They are now container for both domestic and export a flat car shipment the results of an 80 ton * containers on awaiting will make known these results to the tCoomCmiitntceienaatltoingOwhiitoh hTahnedyling costs unitizing for loading etc. ver Carey Canadian agreed to supply a report on results costs etc. of Piggy Back shipments 15. Meetings and Agenda - e between R. Gagnon and R. Hutchinson concerning the Correspondence Materials Handling Committee were aims and objectives of Altlhewere requested to consider these and read to the meeting La make further recommendations Advance notice of meetings is to be supplied The next meeting is now scheduled for June 10th at the Hotel Manoir Princeville Minutes by R. H. McDougall ens te . re ee . re ; * rere eye ue ee foe Ta oman eens ee mee ee . 2 os ee ree ome at am, LOB oops heels et ANd Mere Nh an grup Bag * OgF eeerkOrem .an eer moe me . Das yee ae . Sy . LL Seay Rem oe PF wemeve, SEP 10 1976 Minutes of a meeting of the Q.A.M.A.Materials Handling Committee at the Asbestos Corporation Foremen's Club in Thetford Mines August 23 1976 = ee wre eee pw wee fe ee ee ee na a a a ee en eee ew eoue Present Mr. L. Delaney Mr. R. Hutchinson Mr. J. Power eenee eases Canadian Johns Manville Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. L. Kebster .. Gagnon L. Michel J. M. Roy Mr. G. Patel oeoes enace aeses evoee Lake Asbestos National Mr. G. Thomas eeeee waves Carey Canadian ' Mr. S. Trenfield : Mr. A. H. G. Gibb ...., eaves Asbestos Corporation It was proposed by Mr. G. Thomas and seconded by Mr. R. Hutchinson that minutes of a meeting of the sane committee held June 15 1976 be accepted e e The first subject was one which has been the cause of much discussion in recent meetings and in various companies i.c. whether on conversion to . the metric system bags should be 45 or 50 kilos It was immediately announced by our Chairman that a Q.A.M.A. Comittee chaired by Mr. W. H. Foster would make the final decision However it was felt that all present should exchange if ideas and report opinions to respective management The general consensus | seemed to be that in spite of possible short term costs and in some cases changes in loading patterns to ensure that containers would still be tightly packed the 50 kilo bags were much to be preferred in the long run It appeared that management of Johns Manville Lake and National either had recommendations before then to go to this size or were consideritnhge matter and might use the same size bags for bulky fibre 40 kilos per bag packed at lighter pressure The question of the caution or danger label on asbestos bags was then raised but discussion became intermingled with bilingual bags Copies of the six language notice to appear on Johns Manville bags were discussed and it was generally agreed that the wording was reasonable Mr. G. Thomas again raised the question discussed about a year ago in a Traffic Committee Neeting of desirability of having a universally accepted warning sign or logo This should preferably be without any wording whatever and should indicate that the product or dust from it should not be inhaled Mr. Thomas distributed copies of an example suggested by the asbestos information committee in Britain However it was feared by most members that although the idea was logical and should have been done some time ago it might be too late Legal Departments or advisors of various companies were making their own suggestions or recommendations as to warning or danger notices to appear sometimes in several different languages on bags Lake Asbestos showed an example of a notice which was being strongly pushed by the ASARCO legal department in New York BTR HN cme emer were -2- All present agreed that the wording was too strong and could well cause hysteria unnecessary The notice is headed by the word Danger in very large letters and then in other letters not much smaller Cancer Hazard Below is a warning that dust should not be inhaled etc. It was generally really agreed that the ratter is now out of the hands of the Materials Handling Comittee and the Committee then could only make recommendations to management and regart what other companies were planning or doing Although it had been understood at a previous meeting that Q.A.M.A. members were proceeding with a switch to completely bilingual bags it now appears that at least in the case of JM there may have been sone misunderstanding it was felt in this case again that many members could only report to respective mazgement who would make decisions lake & and 207,500 improvement Carey reported on experience on shipments in D.F. cars D.F.B. series rail cars Lake stated that they had noticed a definite in the condition of bags on arrival Carey had had some cars in which the D.F. doors or bulkheads had broken away from their position and allowed bags to be damaged Apparently Carey is still in favour where possible trailers on flat cars Members were reminded of the complaints which most felt were justified rade by C.P. officials that their attempts to provide us with rail transportation that would not damage bags would be made very difficult if one mine continued to press for D.S.P. cars Li another for containers on flat ears a third for trailers on flat cars etc. a It was generally agreed that we should consider and probably press WT. for assigned cars and that eventually this night also lead to the use of assigned trucks and containers for overseas shipments etc. The JM density blocks in which 100 lbs of fibre is compressed till e r it occupies only 1 cubic ft were discussed JM announced that they have packers can on hand 4 which produce this type of package Two are being tried out to renove bugs They were not able to advise us to the pressure contrary required We learned that to an impression some members had J so far have only shipped somesome experimental lots to a couple of plants making paper not asbestos coment Representatives of some other companies felt that these blocks could become a very important shipping method in the future as they should make control of dust much easier However JM personnel cautioned that they felt much work remained to be done and that customers night have to buy extra equipment such as Hydr^pulpers to break up the blocks and get the fibre into suspension otherwise they might have to slow down their process to do the same thing Apparently blocks have not been tried yet in the manufacture of asbestos cement but sone committee members could see eventually no reason why they should not be quite successful in that field There was no mention of possible use in other processes but it seems that this might be accomplished eventually There was considerable discussion on the question of different types of bags It was pointed out that actually the so called pulpable bags which paper makers and sone asbestos cement manufacturers prefer have not officially been accepted for shipment by railways One member company reported that in their opinion the pulpable bags would not neet an 0.S.~ .A. drop test Most members felt that use of paper bags will gradually decrease as there was no question that a good quality woven coated poly bags was stronger Mr. G. Thomas stated that poly bags sewn in the normal methods were not dust right but that this would be achieved by making an extra fold of the mouth before sewing ge AA sea Ne OPE re Pee a ee eet een : a i ee ro am ommpener 2 ea ee ers There was considerable discussion on quality of woven ethylene vs. propylene Some companies reported the latter stiffer and better for automatic sewing machines However one manufacturer now claims to offer a different polyethylene to accomplish the same thing Other members did not report any problems with sears splitting in the same manner as Asbestos Corporation experienced recently There appeared to be wide variations in opinion as to which producers offered the best quality bag materials and bags Lake reported that they have now switched from one mil to two mil material in stretch wrapping on pallets They and some other members of the committee agreed that one ply of two nil is in effect stronger and more satisfactory than two plys of one mil They feel that the cost previousy reported for stretch wrap was perhaps somewhat high but they are leaving their prices at $ 6.00 per ton to cover use of more layers if in future this becomes necessary The general opinion among those using stretch wrap seems to be that it is the most satisfactory of the three that is stretch wrap shrink wrap or steel strapped Mr. G. Patel also pointed out that the two mi material has a further advantage in being more satisfactory for the use in cold weather It appears that there is still no interest in shipment in pellets . Pallets were discussed particularly with regard to possibilities for standardization Lake feel that we should try to standardize as much as possible on one size of pallets for shipments in North America This would be a good quality reusable pallet and customers would be encouraged to return the to some form of pallet pool Emply pallets being returned would have to be steel strapped A customer buying fibre from say three different woe mines could return a car load of 8allets to any one of those companies or om perhaps a central point and get credit at an agreed rate for all pallets in te clean good condition There is no thought of extending this arrangement out- side of North America A big question would be the size of pallets to be standardized on Apparently some companies started out with 40 inch by 48 inch pallets and have cut this in some case to 39 inch by 48 inch some 38 inch by 48 inch and some as low as 35 inch by 47 inch Some members felt that it might be possible for all mines to standardize on the latter size and all members of the committee were asked to report on behalf of their companies at the next meeting if they felt they could eventually ship on 38 inch by 47 inch or if not what they would recommend Some members reported having considerable trouble at times with various glues used to try to hold bags in a unit Ideally a glue should prevent one bag from sliding in any direction from the bag below or above to which it is glued On the other hand when a bag is lifted straight up the glue should then release Apparently this has been a considerable problem for some time partly due to the fact that many different types of glues react differently at different temperatures and perhaps even with varying humidity Certain members agreed to exchange samples or other information on glues that they felt were more of less satisfactory R. GAGNON CHAIRMAN ee A. N. G. GIBB SECRETARY oar . eee : em ogee, rs et et a Oh eee meee. sree eee .? . . SourceSource Jeffrey JeffreyJeffrey eae ManeMane Mane ee --QUEBEC ASBESTOS MINING ASSOCIATION MMAATTEERRIIAALLSS HHANADLN IND G CLOMIMINTTG EE TRAFFIC COMMITTEE TRAFFIC August 23 1976 10.00 am 1 Bags - Caution Label 2 Bilingual bags cars on QCR - CPR Meeting 3 Status of assigned 4 High density blocks 5 Paper bags - pulpable bags 2 mil - Stretch cost 6 Stretch 7 Status pellets 8 Standardize pallets 9 Quality of woven poly . 10 50 kg vs. 100 lbs Ls 11 Return of pallets RPG OEE a Se a ora me eee Se te eee Mee SRE ve eens gt cell OE A ee ay