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Valve Won't Work If Stem Breaks Off
Modern STRAIGHT-THROUGH
valves are specifically designed gtS is no need for pressure on topTjfl; disk. Installation with prestan^S the disk is correct, as shown &% drawing (ian. "Argument CctpOT This way disk protects ptckiajff valve is opened-
Many valves have a direcMousl/gft embossed on tba body to insure.pn?5 installation in the blowofl line.
J F Curtis
Detroit, niu
Referring to "Valve Flow Reversed?"
(p 136, Jan Power) I think the better
installation is one where pressure enters
under the seal. The Illustration is cor*
rect as you showed il.
It
Assume that pressure is* above the
'seel and stem breaks in the bonnet
thread, or between bonnet and wheel.
If valve were closed it could not be
opened (to lower water level in on em
ergency). On the other hand, if It were
open it could not be closed, so boiler
would have to operate temporarily with
only one blowdown valve. It would be
better to have the valve open rather
than closed, because one valve would be
usable and the boiler could run until
repairs were made.
In addition, this valve is normally
Consider the Sediment
1 acme with the editors. Flow through valve (p 136, Jen Power) is right.
While there is no code requirement that pressure must be under the sesi, avoiding a sediment trap is n good reason for preferring this arrangement.
Ha sard of accidental blowdown through on open valve, cited by Ryan as an argument for preasuro on (op of the disk, is very real. I know of at leost one boiler completely blown down be cause of a loose disk. Rut his proposal for eliminating that haxard only intro duces a new one*--possibility of a sedi ment trap.
ASMS Boiler Code indicates correct solution. It says nil stationary boilers carrying over 100 psi must have two blowofl valves. Possibility of .both valves failing at once is negligiblo.
[ think any good engineer will see that his boiler has two blowof! valves regardless of pressure.
E F Fernm Maryland Casually Co Baltimore, Md.
closed, and with pressure the seat pack
ing it not required to do any sealing.
To the best ol my knowledge, there
is no code requirement that pressure
enter over or under the seat of a blow
down valve. For pressures above 100
psi, code requirement Is two valves on
each blowdown line.
Best operating practice it to open
wheel on outer valve first, then blow
down by opening the inner one. In clos
ing, inner valve should be closed first,
nest the outer one. This puts most of
the wear on inner valve, lets outer one
do good job of sealing. If either stem
breaks, boiler can still operate using
the other blowdown valve.
F Ptackk
Yornall-IParing Co
Philadelphia, Pa.
Watch That Shock!
W Utah's advice about reversing valve flow so pressure is against the' bonnet (Jan`Power) could be extremely dan gerous. He reasons valve would close If stem broke. Bui sudden closing of valve during passage ol high-velocity blow down water would cause severe shock pressure.
Shock pressure is proportional to volume or weight plus pressure or velocity. Manufacturers' shock tesla show that sudden stoppage of flow re sults in 10 to 100 times the initial pres sure. Assuming the boiler preuure at 1500 psi, sudden valve closing would room preuure to somewhere between 15,000 and 150,000 psi.
Rupture or failure of valve, piping or joints would follow. An operator (if be lived) wouldn't be able to close valve next to boiler even [f valve and piping between it tod blowdown noxxle were still undamaged.
Art Belton
Montreal, P. Q.
Why Is 3226 Psi Critical Preuure?
.r,sThe board or examiners of boilkiS
spectors asked me to give four .3$
why stesm can't form above 3226(5 I gave them these two rusooi;t(fi]
No latent heal. (2) At that preirajj
steam and water have same densltyfir you can't tell where the wafer linriij
the gage glass.
Docs some reader have a full tarn to satisfy the inspectors' question?j
A J Kuchinsky Arlington, Matf^
Diesel Cylinder Wear
I've just read If P Yount's title]
"The Life of a Diesel Liner" (pillfl Aug Power), and I would like to`i<Ul
a few comments. Several years ago I surveyed 100 tjj
cycle diesel engines of 14- and -l$jgjj sixes. Although 1 have always feUitk* woar should be less on a 4-cycle tnS
on a 2-cycle engine, my results,tag firmed very well the wear of -001* per 1000 hr operation, diiregsrdini[i0
first few hundred hours. Also, I footdl
that a wear of .005 in. per in. diimttSM before replacing or reboring wsjw
pretty good rule to follow. Wear on direct reversible mariaa-t^
gines was oboul twice that on slatifS
ary engines. I attributed this to'vffi number of starts and stops, and t?;l3 foot that salt-laden vapor could^
drawn into the cylinders. Best records were made by *nd?S
in ice-plant service, operating
ously for months at a time, Here averaged around .0005 per 1000 ht-H*
I believe that wear is affected bf'|a
temperature and quantity of. water. An outlet temperature of l&a 140 F is about idoal, with o elieol**j!8ffl
of % gpm per hp.
E C Cole
Caracas,
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AN BXAMPLE of(he benefit to begained from Armstrong Unit Truppingisfound in installation at M. Wile A Company, Buffalo, N.Y., clothing manufacturers.
A single aream trap was being used to drain each group of 4 to 6 pressing machines. After changing over to the use of an individual Armstrong trap on each of the fifty presses in tne plant, the-company reports that, because of
the resulting more efficient use ofsteam, Con| consumption dropped by 14 tons * n'on,h- There was no reduction in work load. This fuel saving when held up against sn investment of about $500 in steam (raps was rightly considered
a goot/ trade.
There tre other advamtgei to Arm
strong Unit Trapping. Almost invari ably machine temperatures are higher, heat-up is faster and output is increased. The traps themselves are thoroughly reliable, seldom need attention. The design, materials and workmanship in the trap mechanism* for low and medium pressures are identical to those used in Armstrong traps for power
fdant service at 900 degrees F and 950
bs. pressure, so they last for a long,
long time. Your local Armstrong Representative
will be glad ro discuss the savings pos sible in your plant through Armstrong
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