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PLAINTIFF'S EXHIBIT
John H. Davies - A.A.A. '
Clinton I. Head - A.A.A. V.' 3. Evans - Philip Carey
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Janes A. Suddeth - Philip Carey
Clarence M. Brasher - Philip Carey
S. D- Veaver - Cenent Asbestos
Harold KcNabb -- Certain-teed--
M. S. Davis, Jr. - Certain-teed
A. Z- Alpine - Centaln-teed
Janes D. Koran - Plintkote
Waiter N. chorr - Flintkote
Janes A. Main - rlintkote
J. G. Hall - GAP
Harry Kessler - GAP
Edward C. Cemy, Jr. - Jchns-Kanville
Clifford -L. Sheckler - Johns -Manvllle
A. H. Pay - National Gypsa
Frank H. Zimemnn -- National Gyp sirs
J. Steiner - Supradur
K. Fred Netter - Supradur
Kurt Schwarc - Supradur
C. ?. "Kipp - U.S.* Gypsum.
Gerhardt R. Krur - U.S. Gypsun
A. Schmidt - U.S. Gypsum
E. Morrow - U.S. Gypsum
N. D. Love - U.S. Gypsum
Ivan Sabourin, Esq. - Quebec Asbestos Mininr Assoc
Dr. George W. Wright - St. Luke's Hospital, "*Clevel
Gentlenen:
Re: Health A Safety Council
I enclose ay draft minutes of the meeting oY Health k Safety Council held in Hew York on February 18,
Please note that the next meeting of the Council is tent tively scheduled for Tuesday, May 20th, at the 3iltnore
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Minutes or the Meeting of .the
Health & Safety Council/ Asbestos Cement Froducts Association
February 18, 1$6$
A meeting of the members of the Health c Safety Ccur of the Asbestos Cement Products Association v/as held pursuant
to notice,.at ..the .31 Itmore--Hotel, Hew--forh, -Kew-YorlC7~at' 0; -xj j on February 18, 1969.
The following persons were present:
C. I. Head
Atlantic Asphalt & Asbestos, Inc.
.-C. K. 3rt^hor
Philip Carey
'"S. D. Heaver
Cerent Asbestos
Harold KcHabb
Certain-teed Products Ccrp.
J. A. Main
The Flintfcote Company
V. H. Knorr
The Flinthote Company
Harry Kessler
GAF Corporation
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a C. c e my, Jr
C. L. Schecider
Johns-Manvllle Sales Ccrp. Johns-Kanville Sales Corp.
?. K. Zimmerman
Hational Gypsum Company
J. Steiner
Supradur
K. Schwara
Supradur
C. ?. Kipp
U. S. Gypsum
A- Schnidt
U. S. Gyrsum
Z. Morrow
U. S. Gypsum
H. D. Lowe
U. S. Gypsum
Ivan Sabourin, Esc.
cuebtc Asbestos Mining Association
Dr. George V. Wrigh'
St. Luhe1s Hospital, Cleveland
Bradley Halls, Esq.
Davies, Hardy,* Loeb-, Austin Ives
The meeting v/as called to order by the Chairman,
Hr. Jhmes A. Main. The minutes^of the last meeting of the
Council hold on November 1U, 1SB, which had' been previously
mailed to all members, were upon motion duly made end sccor.de
unanimously approved.
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Mr. Cemy delivered the Treasurer's report and stat that the present balance of the Council Is $500.01. Mr. Cern report VcS accepted. Mr. Cerny also prepared a budget for th
calendar year 1969 as follows:
Miscellaneous Expenses, including travel Administration Legal
$ 500.
, .1 000
, .2 000
$3,500.
Hr. Cerny stated th.it meeting expenses are to be be by members on a pro rata basis, .printing expenses, if any, a*
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to be borne on a pro rata basis and,- therefore, these
were not included m the budget. Mr. Cemy proposed thl* ,,
member company of the Council be assessed $350 to Drov<`rI
the 1 $6$ budget.
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On notion duly made and seconded, the budget was unanimously approved as subsetted. The Chairman, Hr. Main then polled each cecber company for its aoproval cf the $350 assessment. All members polled agreed to* the assessment. ^
Mr. Main spoke briefly on the background of the cc in-the-asbestos~industryvith"health~ and*'d'afery"practices;-- noted that the Asbestosis Research Council In England has al developed four Recommended Codes of Practice, entitled: (1) Handling, Working, and Fixing of Asbestos and Asbestos Cemer. Products JLn the Building and Constructlcn Industries; (2) FPrecauticriiS to be taken vhen Cutting, Drilling or Machining Asbestos Cement and Asbestos-based Board; in the Shipbuilding Industry; (3) For Handling Consignments of Asbestos Fiber British Ports; (4) For Handling Asbestos Fibers used in T2 Insulation. Copies of these Codes were distributed to the members in attendance. Mr. Main also referred to thfe techrk note prepared by the Asbestosis Research Council entitled Measurement of Airborne Asbestos Dust by the Membrane Filtc: Method". Codes of this technical note were distributed to members in attendance. Mr. Main also referred to the merer: cn Dust Samoling and Counting dated December 9, 196c prepan M. Lachance", Dust Control Engineer of the Quebec Asbestos M: Association. Copies of this memorandum were also disaricut
Mr. Main noted that there had been- developments ssequent +0 the meeting of the Council held cn November lb, In'particular, he referrea to the speech by Dr. Selikoff at Dallas meeting of the American Association for the Advcnccm of Science; `the study program of the Institute for Occupcti end Environmental Health in Montreal supported by QAteA and studies of the Industrial Hygiene Foundation.
Mr. Scheckler reported that no progress had been on the proposed safety manual since the last meeting of the Council because so many developments had occurred that addl tional time was reouired to assess them. Mr. Scheckler not that the American Congress of Governmental Industrial Kygic had reduced permissible particles in its 1969 Industrir-l s` from 5 million to 2 million particles per cubic feet of ai: stated that Johns-Manville`s-goal is 1 million particles pi
cubic foot.
Mr. Scheckler observed that the proposed British tions are becoming more stringent; that the U. S. Dapaitr.10 the Navy is strongly advocating the wearing of respirators all nfen doing asbestos work. He stated that new types of
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respirators are needed "because the best respirators avaiiA> nay be satisfactory Tor particulate natter, but they are nosatisfactory Tor asbestos fibers. Hr. Scheckler describett" the meeting the nenbrane filter nethod being develcped by * to evaluate the amount of dust their nen breathe. A neetaf the Subcommittee on the proposed pamphlet vill bue ecnv^ following this meeting.
The nenbers of the Subconnittee on the perrphlet c
Eeccmended Health Safety Practices. forr.Eandling- and-Apply! Asbestos. Cement- -Products' are :
A. E. Alpine Harry Kessler F. E- Zirstma C. L. Scheckler
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'Sene, discussion was held on the purposes and prop of issuing the proposed booklet. It was noted that as to a cenent siding, there is very little problcu in the field, a that the end use cf the naterials should guide the purposes the booklet.
In particular, it was noted that a differentiatic nust be nade in the two groups that are to be reached by su booklets. One group can be envisioned as consumers and the other group can broadly be called asbestos workers.
Hr. Cemy renarked that the proposed booklet was originally contenplated. for use aneng fabricators and was expected to outline hezlth/safety neasures for warders and : necessarily for consumers. Mr. Cer..y stated that one purpo of issuing such booklets .~n hcalth/aafety measures would be limitation of- liability of the nanufacturers. He stated th there has been, a tendency for employees to cue their fabric euployers as veil as the nanufacturing suppliers. In such there is no restriction to the recovery limits of Workmen1 s Ccnpensation and other nanufacturers are often inp^eaded as third-party defendants. Mr. Cemy stated that any booklets prepared and issued .by the Council should be backed v/ith a strong public relations effort that would secure write-up*s > interviews and .other releases for.trade press magazines. Frelaticns efforts should aise keep insurance carriers advis-
of what the industry is doing.
Folloviing Hr. Cemy's remarks, the Council author. Kr. Main to appoint a Subcommittee on Litigation, Lc-glslatl. and Insurance. Mr. Main will advise the appointees to that Subcommittee directly and will report'at the next meeting o.
the Council.
' Hr. Zimmerman reported that there had been no nice'
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C. I. Bead A. 2. Alpine V. N. Xaorr Harry Kessler-"
C. L. Scheekier ?. H. Zimmerman X. Schwa.ro G. H. Krug
Atlantic Asphalt & Asbestos
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GAF Corporation
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National Gypsun
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.n="Kr. Vea'hfb of Cerent Asbestos and Mr. Brasher of Philip Ca advised Mr. Main that antoiataears of representatives to t In Plant Subccmittee Iron their respective ccnpanies voul
. node shortly.
Hr. Main introduced to the Council Dr. George V. Director of Hedical Research, St. Luke's Hospital, Clevela: Ohio. Dr. Vright addressed the meeting on*"A Current Assc: ( of Asbestos as an Environmental Health Problem".
(For the benefit of the renters in attendance vhc requested it, there follows a brief semery of the hirhlish of'Dr. Wright ' s talk. Dr. Wright has reviewed and approves
this sumary.)
Dr. bright remarked that his am? earrnce before tl: Council was eporooriate because informs.ion available to hi indicates that one--fourth of the asbestos used in the Unite States goes into asbestos cement products. He stated that although"studies had been made on the biological effec-s oi asbdstos fiber when such fiber is not bonded (i.e. textile, milling, mining md Insulation operations)" examination rnd of the effects of such fiber when incorporated* in -products would appear to be warranted, considering he volu of asbestos used in these products.
By way of historical background, Dr. Wright indie
that British Government statistics in the 1930's provided information showins that 80.1 of tale voi-fccrs lr. the athctitc
textile trades over a period of tventy years or tore hsO
asbestosls. Dr. Vrlght noted teat 95^. of particles h
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through human air passages is expe-led. By analogy, a- r' fibers probably do the same. Of tne fibers remaining in ^
lung, the human body coats some of these with piotein
Because fiber glass and grapKTTc particle., -rc -lo ~u j
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to slallar phsncxcnon, these coated'particles are
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as "ferruginous bodies".
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After substantial exposure for twenty years to esbe '
dust, 75 of the workers so exposed will develop scarsTdetect
by X-rays. Some workers develop these scars sooner than o-he !
The formation of scars constitutes the disease known as- *'*
asbestosis. As these scars develop, the pipes through which \
blood flows through the lungs are destroyed. Death can
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ultimately result. The figures in Great Britain as of 1930 ]
proved that the mortality rate or .length, of-life of-tastile ' j
workers. in-Britainr'is'shorter. Since then, the life span of
such asbestos textile workers has improved because the number
of fibers In the air has been reduced.
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Dr. Wright explained that many lessons had been lea from studies involving silica. -As a result of counts made of :-silica particles, and experience that silica particles neasur 5 microns or under in diameter were those that- stayed1 In the lungs, limits were established of maximum concentration of silica particles in industrial settings as early as '1939. At that time, maximum concentrations were 5 million particles pe cubic foot.
Dr. Wright outlined the Lynch studies published in 1535 which associated bronchogenic cancer with asbestosis. These studies were fortified by further studies made in Man chester, England in 1950 by Dr. Doll. Dr. Doll's studies identified 11 cases of bronchogenic cancer among 113 workers in an asbestos textile factory.
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Subsequent studies in. Canada dcnc by the Industrial Hygiene Foundation did not duplicate the Manchester results.
' Subsequently, studies were done by Drs. Sclikoff
and Hammond among insulation workers. These studies claimed
that the incidence of lung cancer is 12 times higher among
insulation workers than among non-insulation workers.
Dr. Wright noted that in those studies no bronchogenic cancer
was found among non-smokers,
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Dr. Wright explained in brief'outline sort theories of carcinogens and indicated that there are seme who are exploring the concept- of co-carcinogens - .that is to say, that asbestos fibers and cigarct smoking nay act together to become cancer inducing amends. It is known, for example, tha bronchial cancer occurs 8 times more'frequently among smokers than non-smokers and 90 times more among smokers who are -also insulation workers than among non-smokers who are not. insula
tion workers.
In passing, Di' Wright uggsstcd tiir.L it might be
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