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f National Elaetrieal Manufacturara Aaaoclatioo ' * 165 East 44th Street New York, N.Y. 10017 212-682-1500 ; MINUTES COMMITTEE ON USE AND DISPOSAL OF ASKAREL; OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS; OF THE POWER EQUIP- MENT DIVISION PLACE OF MEETING: O'HARE INN, CHICAGO, ILL. DATE AND TIME: i MEMBERS PRESENT : D. E. Allen J. P. Russia E. L. Raab W. C. Reinhardt J. C. Rissinger H. R. Rowe TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 23, 1971 10:30 A.M. - 3:45 P.M. Allis-Chalmers Manufacturing Co Sangaiao Electric Company General Electric Company Moloney Electric Company Westinghouse Electric Corp. McGraw Edison Power Systems Div MEMBERS ABSENT : NONE OTHERS PRESENT: P. G. Benignus A. 0. Hauser W. B. Papageorge A. L. Rickley A. M. Salazar Monsanto Company Electric Utilities Company Monsanto Company Doble Engineering Co. NEMA Staff PRESIDING OFFICER: W. C. Reinhardt, Chairman I. APPROVAL OF PREVIOUS MINUTES ,The minutes of the August 20 1970 meeting not being available, as yet, no previous minutes were submitted for approval. II. PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING The Committee noted that the purpose of this meeting is to review developments since the August 20, 1970 meeting and develop recommendations to ANSI on a suggested program of action, including priorities for various activities, list of organiza tions to be invited to participate, etc. The Secretary's letter of Frebuary 10, 1971 calling this meeting and outlining the aqenda, also contained a chronoligical list of steps taken, so far, -ang a master list of organizations that might have interest in this problem. A copy of the letter is attached as EXHIBIT "A". Comm, on Dis. of Askarel - Div. 8 - 4- February _ I .r.41'-C* * '7J NPC00016284 m v.n wot 207970 Messrs. P. G. Beniqnus and W. B. Papageorge of Monsanto and A. 0. Hauser, whose company manufactures capacitors and A. L. Rickley, who ia associated with a well known electrical in sulation consulting firm, were invited to participate in the discussions. > III. REVIEW OF DEVELOPMENTS SINCE THE AUGUST 20, 1970 MEETING_________ Members of the Committee presented reports on develop ments, as outlined in the Chairman's working agenda, as follows: A. The PCB problem in brief, including the status of the Massachusetts House Bill No. 3635 - - - - If. B. Papageorge MOTE A copy of the Bill is at tached as EXHIBIT "B". B. Report on developments within IEC,'IEEE and ASTM, on the askarel problem - - - - - E. L. Raab NOTES Mr. Raab distributed copies of written reports, which are attached as follows: 1. Letter providing the Chair man of IEC WG/02 on askarels with information on US acti vity, (EXHIBIT "C"). 2. Report on October, 1970 meetings of IEC No. 10 on Liquid and Gaseous Dielectrics and Subcommittee 10B on In sulating Liquids Other than Hydrocarbon Oils. Messrs. Raab and Benignus, who are the US Delegates, attended these meetings, (EXHIBIT "D"). 3. Lecture given by Mr. P. Jay of the Prodelac Company, a foreign producer, at a , university in Sweden, in 1970. This information was distri buted at the October IEC meet ings, by the Delegate from France, i (EXHIBIT "E"). ' fr1 Comm, on Dis. of - * * - ........... -- --- Askarel - Div. 8 - 5- February 23, 1971 NPC00016285 207971 4* Appropriate excerpt from minutes of the April 15, 1970 meeting of the Insulating Fluids Subcommittee of the IEEE Trans formers Committee, (EXHIBIT *F"). 5. Excerpt on further dis cussion from the minutes of the October 28, 1970 meeting of the parent IEEE Transformers Com mittee, (EXHIBIT "G"). 6. Appropriate excerpt from the minutes of the September 11, 1970 meeting of Subcommittee B, of ASTM Committee D27 on Insulating Fluids, (EXHIBIT "H"). C. Which PCB's remain in use in the electrical indus try? - - - - - P. G. Benignus. D. Status of disposal facilities - - - - W. B. Papageorge. Mr. Papageorge cemented on the above, as follows: 1. Monsanto facilities for bulk fluids. 2. Monsanto facilities for moderately sired solid materials. 3. ftollins-Purle, Inc. facilities for bulk fluids. 4. Kemtrol Pollution Services, Inc. facilities for bulk fluids. (Still under investigation by Monsanto). 5. Landfills The value of landfills depends on the type of soil conditions, distance from waters, etc. Preli minary investigations with Officials of some states indicate a negative reaction to state sanctions. States usually defer to local levels on these matters. IV. FORMATION OF THE ANSI COMMITTEE After some further discussion, the Committee approved the following: A. The holding of an ANSI conference, as soon after re ceiving ANSI formal approval as is possible. B. Mr. W. B. Papageorge should act as discussion leader for the Conference and should present the background.] leading to Monsanto's and NEMA's sponsorship of the ;; formation-of an..ANSI Committee. As was the case at Comm, on Dis. of Askarel - Div. 8 -6- Fabruaru 21. -1971 NPC00016286 today's meeting, others involved in the discussion, so far, should be called upon to assist, as is considered to be appropriate. The following objectives, developed at today's meeting, should also be proposed: OBJECTIVES In addition to developing Drocedures and guides for safe use, maintenance and disposal of askarel and askarel soaked materials used in electrical equipment, it shall be the objectives of the ANSI Committee to: 1. Serve as a source for technical information and advice for Federal, State and local authorities and for the information of all others concerned. 2. Encourags the development of suitable disposal facilities and maintain a list of their capabilities and locations, for the information of all concerned. 3. Serve as the advisory group for US participation in CEE, IEC, COPANT, SEGRA and other international organirations. As appropriate during the presentation, or durinq the following discussion, Mr. Papageorge should propose that the following Subcommittees should be considered to develop specific proposals for Committee action: 1. Procedures end guides for disposal of askarel and askarel soaked materials. 2. Procedures and guides for safe use, care end main tenance of askarel. 3. National and international communications. At an appropriate time during the meeting, the Secre tary should recommend that a small Steering Committee, comprised of the Chairman of the Committee and the Chair men of the EEI, IEEE, ASTM and NEMA Delegations. The purpose of the Steering Committee is to appoint the above Subcommittees and, in general, assist the Chairman in the performance of his other responsibilities as Chairman of the ANSI Committee. C. The letters inviting interested organizations to participate should briefly comment on the need for the 1 ANSI Committee and indicate that a Conference is being j called by a certain date, to review the matter in more V detail and formally establish the Committee and any needed Subcommittees.- An attaohmeot to the letter should cover the sponsors, the scope approved by ANSI and a list of Organizations being invited to participate. Comm, on Dis. of Askarel - Div. 8 -7- February 23, 1971 207973 w i * D. In addition to any other Organizations represented on the ANSI Electrical and Electronics Technical Ad visory Board (EETAB) that may express interest in this activity, the following Organizations should be invited to attend the Conference: American Public Power Association American Society for Testing and Materials Association of American Railroads Association of Edison Illuminating Companies Automobile Manufacturers Association Inc. Certified Ballast Manufacturers Association Doble Engineering Co. Edison Electric Institute Government Groups Atomic nergy Commission Corps of Engineers Department of Health, Education and Welfare - Food and Drug Administration Department of Interior Environmental Protection Agency General Services Administration National Bureau of Standards Rural Electrification Administration Tennessee Valley Authority i International Association for Pollution Control Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers Kentrol Pullution Services Manufacturing Chemists Association Monsanto Company National Electrical Manufacturers Association National Fire Protection Association Rollins-Purle Inc. Underwriters' Laboratories Inc. Water Pollution Control Federation V TIME AND PLACE OF THE NEXT MEETING Left to the call of the Chair VI ADJOURNMENT There being no further business before the Committee, the meeting was adjourned at 3:45 P.M. Luncheon was served during the meeting and there was, therefore, no recess for that purpose. AMS :dk ATTS: EXHIBITS "A" "H" APPROVED BY COUNSEL: A. M. Salazar, Executive Secretary Power Equipment Division Comm, on Dis. of A8karel - Div. 8 8 February 2$, 1971 NPC00016288 207974