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Military Specifications I. A. Jelly, Chairman B. V,. Sills, Vice-Chairman J. B. Ereed C. G. McGinnis K. J. McGuckin (J. C. Wortham - Alternate) E. H. Schanzlin T. J. Sniffen Subject: Joint Conference - Wavy Department Bepresentatives and Pump Mrmifacturero Washington, D. C. - March l6, 1967 Gentlemen: Attached is a report covering the above Joint Conference, ibis uas submitted in writing to the Naval Ship Engineering Center and approval as to its accuracy obtained. In line with the decision at the March 16 meeting, thought is nou being given to the scheduling of the second session during the month of June, 1967. You uill be advised when a date has been selected. Very truly yours. Pf-anlc P. Anderson Secretary FPA:eu Enclosure cc: Messrs. Lindros, McCammon, Metzgar, Eavratil, Schivley, Schumacher, Tuthi.ll, Herndon, Neon, Sence, Msh, Paashaus, White, Cox, DsPerro, '.Donohue, Dralle, Gibson, Glass, Baugh and Marisehen SLM00177 REPORTi Joint Cdb Terence with Representatives of tbs ivaval ob'Vyfi Engineering Center, Jfeval Chips Systems Comcifmd KVACE 0? MRISTII^G: The Meyf;? awe': Hotels Tferiiington, D. C FATS A33D 33MB; Thursday, tech X6, 3.95? - - 9:00 A.M. XSii-SEIE1: teal Sbirs Systems Coicmand M. S. Cohen A. A. Ifepoletsno T. E. Horton V. Wiere-ma Hydraulic Institute F. Bryant D. F. Cress D. Cullman B. W, Ellis M, F. Hagerstrom L. 6. Humphrey I. A. Jelly C. G. McGinnis E. G, Fash F. Kavratil R. F. Paashaus C. D. Stauffer H. J. Welch F. E. White Frank P. Anderson Worthington Corporation Allis-Chalmers Mfg. Co. Byron Jackson Pomps, Inc. Buffalo Pomps Division IngersoLl-teid Company Buffalo Pumps Division Aurora Pump Division Ingersoll-Rand Company Carver Pump Company Bingham Pump Company Worthington Corporation Fairbanks Morse Inc., Pump Div. BeLaval Turbine IncAllis-Chalmers Mfg. Co. Institute Staff Others H. J. Cox 0. DeFerro J. A. Donohue C. W. Dralle M, D. Gibson, Jr. H. L. Glass J, J. Faugh Ampco Metoil , Inc. Pacific Pumps, Inc. M. T. E&vidson Ampco Metal, Inc. Warren Pumps, Inc. Warren Pumps, Inc. Warren Pumps, Inc. Purpose of Meeting: This conference was arranged at the request of the Hydraulic Institute to provi.de nn opportunity to discuss comments by both members and non-members of the Hydraulic Institute relative to the following Fx-ecifications: IHX-.P-lTSSlB - Pumps, Centrifugal, Boiler Feed (Multi-Stage) KUi-P~l8^72D - Pumps, Centrifugal, Condensate, Feed Booster and Distilling P3.ant _ 15TL-P-17639B - rumps, Centrifugal, Miscellaneous Service MU. -B-IOlOFA - i'u./vs, Centrifugal, Main Condenser Circulating COMMITS 10 HESfefitf MiLI'iAPiY GIECXFICATIOVB FXiiJjjli* 10. 1 MiiCH 3-j, 1967 $I - - no of (Contd.} Inee-ne of the time element slid the belief that basic primrixler; wx-re involved, the discussion on Specification MI-P~17639 van veWiered'en in full detail with 1 he thought that much of the reasoning VouM carry over to the- other three Specifderations. Keverthe3.ess, the grovry all Celt that discussion on the other three Specifications should be carried e.-.h at a later date when truss permitted. Discussion: Prior to this seating nil of the cements, fully identified, had been submitted both to the Navy Department Representatives and to all of the companies `which had eubmitted consents. In addition to the foregoing, all of the comments hod boon arranged to correspond to the sequence of the Specifications themselves Shis was to facilitate discussion. The text was not altered in this reorganization. In response to a request from the Navy Department Representatives, the comments were roughly classified into five categories, as follows; .1. Request for information or clarification of intent. 2. Comments specifically applicable to problems of individual companies. 3. Comments which implied that the resulting costs were not commensurate with the technical benefits to be gained* It-. Comments implying that Specifications are unfair or unjust. 5. Comments which indicated that certain of the paragraphs would sake bids all but impossible, since a prospective bidder would not have the information required to meet Specifications at the time that the invitations to bid were published. Attached as Exhibit A is a tabulation indicating those paragraphs on which comments were submitted. This tabulation indicates those para graphs on which further action is required as a result of the foregoing discussion. Where no action is required., the paragraph number is merely listed with the comment, "Comments discussed.'1 A copy of this tabulation was submitted to the Navy Department Representatives subsequent to the meeting for confirmation of the under standing recorded. Time and Place of Next I-feeting: The consensus was that there should be another Conference similar to this one in Washington during the month of June, 19o?. /uliowTument: The 3n;' of cy. -r^one present indicated tint thin Confer;eic 2 had reoo Itcri j,j to soli t,,: i. i.< -.r am h: autfuU.I jjg , ;;i11; if; vy }X;j v at nunc hr;v,:c'esev>tut:i.vcs xreiu thanked i'oi their cooperation and pari-ieip-ikicn- SLM00179 Adjournment: (Contd.) *- 3 - There being no fuvt.her bucineBS, the Conference adjourned. Reported by PI'&rM P. Anderson Chairman SLM00180 ? BBPOET OK JOINT COMMENCE Navy Department Nepresontativec and Puaip Manufacturers Washington, D. C,, - March 16^ 1967 __ _ - Pinups, Centrifugal, Miscellaneous Service c>.2 - Comments discussed. 3.1 - Discussed QFL letter of November X, 1967 type uMch appears to override the Specification. Havy to consider further end prepare revised paragraph text for comparison with draft to he prepared by pump manufacturers. 3.2 - Navy to consider this requirement further. 3.2.1 " With progressive installation of computers, ship log data will Income available in the future according to Navy Representatives. Afl1'-" ,_3*2.1.2 - Navy and pump manufacturers to draft suggested recording. o oJ 3.2.1-3 - Comments discussed. 3,2.2.4 - Comments discussed. 3.2.2.9 - Comments discussed. ,i'"L 3.2.2.11 - Navy believes that time limit should be added - -will clarify. 3.2.3*1*3 - Navy -will clarify with regard to application of shock requirement, 3.2.3*2.5 - Navy vri.ll eliminate conflict between this Specification and KII-STD 1302. j> v 3.2.3.5-1 - Comments discussed. ; 3.2.11.1 Navy to reconsider. 3.2.11.2 Comments discussed. 3.2.11.3 Comments discussed. 3.2.11.4 Navy prefers tests to calculations. Wild consider shaker tests, **0 Navy to consider further and prepare revised text for comparison with draft to be prepared by pump manufacturers. / v. '' 3.2.12.4 Navy considered cadmium to be corrosion resistant threading on large end. Navy and pump manufacturers to draft suggested rewording. : 3.2.12.9 Navy has had problems and requested pump manufacturers to > _> draft clarification. 3.2.13.1 3.2.14.1 Navy to consult Piping Section for clarification. Navy will clarify. 3.2.1.4,4 :omiiku>tu discussed. EXbUUT A SLM00181 1 RKKffif OH SO1ST CONFERENCE Kuvy Naporotferit Representatives and Pump Manufacturers fo^tafetcai, p. C, Kirch l6? 1967 Sago 2 P".\7o39^ (Contd.) 3.2.15.** ~ to clarify in Paragraph 6.1. 3.2.15.6 ~ Comments discussed. 3^2.15.7 - Comments discussed. 3-2.159l * Cosments discussed, 3.2.15*93 - Navy will clarify to permit set screws for drive purposes " but not for axial positioning. 3.2.16.1 - Comments discussed. 3.2.16.2 - Comments discussed. 3.2.16.3 - Comments discussed. ^ ,?c <, t 3.2.17*3 " Comments discussed. 3.2.17.4 - Navy interpreted this paragraph to refer to turbines when purchase requisition refers to Paragraph 6.1. 3*2.18.1 - Comments discussed. 3.2.18.1.1 Comments discussed, ' ' 3.2.23 ~ Navy will clarify indicating application to interior devices only. 3.3.1.3.1 - Navy indicated preference not to have set screws ee& will ,-r1'/ *' study possible deletion of such devices. 3.3.I.H -* Comments discussed. 3.3.1.5 - Comments discussed. 3.3-2.3 - Navy to study. . "3.3.3 - m comment submitted, but Navy to modify Specification to apply to all pumps. 3,3.4 - Comments discussed. 3.4.1 - Navy to investigate aluminum bronze. - 3-5*2 Far. (c) - Navy to study substitution of "identification" for ' "procurement." 3.5.2.1 - Navy indicated that M'L-D-1000 and Mt^D-lOGO/S now supersedes MII-D-963H. 3.5.4.2.3 - f.i.iriiiiurri.0 diacuoeed. NXIIlJr-L'i: A SLM00182 bistort oh ,wim coiransncR Navy I^porlaiiant Hepx^enfAtiven and Pump Manufacturers WoM^on^ Ft - March l6, 1967...___ ________ MOF4A-X7639B (Contd,} F^ge 3 3.5.4.2.1.1 - Comments discussed. 3.5-4.3.1 ~ Comments discussed. 3*?^3*2 - Consents discussed. 3.6.4 - Comments discussed. 3.6.5 - Navy to study for possible clarification. 4.1 - Comments discussed. 4.1.1 - Comments discussed. , 4.1.4 - Comments discussed. e-,2 - Navy to consider further and prepare revised text for comparison with draft to he prepared by pump manufacturers. v-V. 4.2.1 Navy to consider further and prepare revised text for comparison with draft to he prepared by pump manufacturers. - ^ 4.2.2 - Navy to consider further and prepare revised text for comparison with draft to he prepared by pump manufacturers. - /. A 4.4.1.3 - Comments discussed. 4.4.1.4 - Navy to clarify regarding temperature and liquid. 4.4.1.6 - Navy to investigate inconsistency and to consider separate listing. 4.4.2 - Navy to investigate rewording definition of complete performance map as applied to variable speed only and not to various impeller diameters- 4.4.2.1 = Navy to study steam question for clarification. 4.4.2.2 - Navy will clarify. 4.4.2.3 - Navy will clarify. 4.4.2.4 - Navy will accept statement of single value. 4.4.2.5 - Comments discussed. 4.4.3 ~ Navy to consider further and prepare revised text r Gos-pari^on with draft to be prepared by pump manufacturerG. 4.4.31 -- Navy to consider further and prepare revised text for comparison with draft to he prtpavv.d by pump iiianufat;heri.-rs, idinm' a report oh joist conference Navy Department Representatives and Pump Ifenufacturers VfochinKton, B. C. - March lo, X967________ _- Page 4 Mrr,-P~l7t393 (Contd.) 4,4.3=>1*1 Navy will investigate inclusion of diasascezibly requirement in driver specification. 4.4.3*1*2 - Comments discussed. 4.4.3*1*3 - Navy to study relative to sea water requirement and inclusion of requirement that mechanical seals he qualified under ox-m * Specification to eliminate retesting with pump handling explosive or hazardous fuels. 4.4.3.1.4 - Navy to study clarification regarding frequency of readings and meaning of "surveillance." 4.4.3*1*5 - Comments discussed. 4.4.3*1*6 - Comments discussed. 4.4.3*2*3 - Comments discussed. 4.4.3*2.5 - Comments discussed. 4.4.3*3 - Cements discussed. 4.4.3*4 - Comments discussed. 4.4.3*4.1 - Comments discussed. 6.1 - Comments discussed. 6.2 - Navy to study fable of Pump Materials And to define salt water. EXHIBIT A SLM00184 May 9, 1967 Mr, Prank P. Anderson, Secretary Hydraulic Institute 122 Seat 42nd Stmt Hev York, H.Y. 10017 Stir Mr, Andersont we offer our sincere thank# to you and your committee for the invitation extended to ua for the meeting in Washington on March 16th. The report you sent to ua on April 20th la greatly Your consideration and hospitality la valued by ua Very truly yours* M, 7. DAVIDSOH CCMPAHY aADt* Jamas A. Donohue Sales Manager SLM00176