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FILE NAME Manville JMA DATE 1973 DOC JMA384 DOCUMENT DESCRIPTION Report - United United Kingdom Industry Meetings AL10409068 AL104090688 emeeee MulliniuMullk iniuk REPORT OF TRIP TO UNITED KINGDOM June 23 July 2, 227 Subject trip was made in company with Ivan Sabourin our counsel John II Marsh of Canadian environmiennhtias lcapacity as President of the and ARsbaesytobs eInsfot rmo ats ion Association America Matthew N. Svetonic Executive Secretary of the AIA of the trip related almost entirely to the Purpose OSHA Asbestos Standard in the U.S. Ke reopening of the with members of the British medical group wanted to meet officials and British asbestos with British government industry personnel to review the situation and prepare in advance for what we believe will be quite a rigorous confrontation at the public hearings on the asbestos standard which are coming up in the near future the meetings Following are brief comments on course of our stay in the United Kingdom we held in the the Annual Meeting of the American Industrial Hygiene at Association in Boston last May Belikoff said these new figures changed the eOnRtiMrAe sptiacntduarred onplaacsebsesUt.oSs. satsabnedasrtdoss fatal awnodrktehrastattheseprrieosuesntrisk of irreversible often disease and in my 50lakoff's opinion it should immediately be reconsidered reconsidered We had forwarded to a verbatim mosting sentation at Boston which he said there data Or Levinsohn a few days prior to our transcript of Dr. Selikoff's pre- with a sopy of the slide he had used had been made from Dr. Levinsohn's ? . a < File Memorandum - Pago 2 Report of trip tu united ningdom June 23 - July 1 1973 We reviewed this at our meeting Warnidghth'asndemdemo outto tm o e on attendees a copy of Dr. George the Lewinsohn matter _ We suggested that Dr. Lowinsohn and Steve Holmes who Knox of TBA in the original had worked with Dr. John letter to Ludy of Rochdale workera prepare a joint readily agreed Dr. Selikoff on this matttheerir Tfhiirsstthderyaft was handed to do Matter of fact later for review and forwarding to to us two days before final drafting and George Wright for comment mailing to Selikoff are more than unhappy about this The British group Selikoff The present British Asbestos original studies action by largely on the Regulations are based misuse of at the Rochdale plant of TEA Selikoff's places the British Levinsohn's preliminary figures Society the British Occupational Hygiene regulations in an extremely poor and H.M. Factory Inspectorate light The British the wire -Director of of the most intend to take this matter right down to matter of fact David Hills Managing TBA had a personal hand in drafting some Selikoff direct statements in the letter to ' i s Cd Sn | t \ . { i | i Fhie Memorandum Report Fila Memorandum ro Report trip Sune June United United Kingdom 7age Kingdom Levinsohn 2. Meeting John bavia , Zinburgbhavia EAT with Ors. vid Buie 2nd June 1973) Livid Muir June 1973 with Drs Institute matter. Mv .and We reviewed reviewed Levinsohn Selikoff matter Mull and reviewed the Levinsohn particula particula Mull Cavis Cavis glad be informed ly pleased ts written that that letter letter being directly to Selikoff Selikoff They drove drove their experimental experimental outski~- of Edinburgh us to animal experiments experiments work are carrying carrying initially amosite fiber fiber carrying on initially sponsorship oe < ees : aan Lad ry Mee a . he x, ,. a 7 me rile agmorandue rage Fila Fila Memorandum a to Report Memorandum t , to United United United trip 1973} with oe. J. Corbet \ Meeting (June 27, 3. Dianer Dianer matter Corbett | Lewinsonnsde@LiKorl WeHebonald che Lewinsonn leave trom MeGili | reviewed the Lewinsonn Lewinsonn selikoti m^tter m^tter with our ' We ho Lewinsonn selikoti McGill McGill McDonald on sabbatical sabbatical sabbatical leave University University Montreal in accord strategy and thought Holmes excollent letter Ae @ mate. of Lowinsohn information Dr. McDonald's growth, information As international work vf involves he atili directs the work Even though on travel he still directs the of the his group though sabbatical sabbatical John John Marsh directs work ema pure group McGill exposure the Marsh told him of plant pure chrysotile chrysotile exposure McGill group Stratford Stratford plant cme Allison Corbett's Corbett's study led sparked his vifo & might tackle He sparked idea Allison a might meeting meeting arranged arranged July explore between and the McGill possibilities Pile Memorandum - Page 5 Report of to United June 23 - trip Kinguo July 1 1973 4. Asbestos lovard North Com unications information right America Meeting information and Harsh Svetonic 27 information Svetonic 1973 , Cross information Association Solan Sabour in . Association draft of a letter to Wa reviewed the Lewinsohn a copy to George Selikoff and immediately dispatched Wright for his review and comment next fiscal year from AIC is increasing its budget to 200,000 approxi- 50,000 to 80,000 pounds 130,000 26,000 pounds 668.000 They plan to spend and in specialized mfoartealdsy in their national dailies publications on fire protection Pat discussion about a partite ye We had a preliminary and QAMA sometime in the of AIC AIA conference future The AIC is which will producing be issued a new under movie - Asbestos At Work the name of the Asbestosis Research Council Cross that Stuart Luxon's job learned from Alex Formerly Inspectorate We had changed with II M. Factory Service he is now Director of Industrial H-y-gi&enleateral and slightly Deputy Chief Inspector upward move Asbestos who joined us for Smither of Cape invitation from Dr. Walter lunch said he had received an of the Steering Dr. Selikoff to become a member of sponsored for a New York Acadamy to be Committee the Biological Effects of Asbestos mixed emotions meeting on held October 7-11 1974 Dr. Smither has meeting only a year after the Lyon about holding such a I suggested that Solikott Meating on the same subjact he was unhappy is calling this new meeting because his way The group about the Lyon Meeting not going agreed this was probably * : we ewe \ : | | Memorandum File Report of trip - Paga & to United Kingdom June 23 - July 1 1973 3. Meeting 27 1973 with Stuart C. " LDuo xocntors Chief Chief Inspector Deputy Fact This Wife Krs ie as 11.M. ixon kabel Swetonic Colon Swetonic Swetonic government official who at Luxon was the British request of Sabourin and Swatonic appeared as 1972 OSIIA llearings the witness at the March an expert on the Asbestos Standard Luxon told his recent this dinner meeting Great At had been brought about largely pBrroimtoatiino'ns entry into the Common MaforrkeStafaendty gainvdos him international responsibility alth for the U.X. believes that he would still be the one Luxon British official to come to the U.S. public should the hearings on asbestos standard reopening be needed testimony of 11. M. Factory Inspectorate seeking we in the U.S. should be actively He believes to show why it is not negative evidence ec if below 2 fibers per our asbestos necessary to go standard standard at some length on the study being carried Es dvelt of the entire British asbestos out by his Government 10,000 workers to determine if their is sufficient Though industry of two fibers meantime the final they may get infdriocmattihoensstiundythies at least 20 years determination SURY past learned from John Marsh that the Raybestos- When Luxon in Stratford Connecticut Manhattan year old plant except for the was a pure chrysotile exposure the Bendix brake lining 9 er 10 -- and that years was also pure chrysotile plant at Troy New Yuosrkto get the show on the road exposure and begin crash studies of workers as soon as possible at these two locations say that deadline to set Selikoff back somewhat and to suggested off the asbestos industry that H ke the pressure of the industry together set bejore time vail the members such date long bejore . limit and deadline H will announce that all ene July 7 1976 co standard or that ita plants are at the 2 fibers fibers per at these locations good protection will be the press workers are provided still working on ile believes we're interested in such a story - y " x wv 7 pS Bia R Ta " : : a { ( ( s f Phie ow cenaum Report of trip to United Kingdom June 23 - July , Page 1973 industry Luxon says it's too bad we don't have a better dialogue with high labor union officiain as they do in the U.K. I hie wurz he said he har found his record dialogue with both and organizad labor has been of inestimable valua To get the total rationale behind the 30x recommenda tion that the British asbestos standard not be changed at this time Luxon suggested we writes Dr. Dereck Turner Secy British Occupational Hygiene BP Research Center Sunbury London England Society and ask for documentation said that K.M. Factory Inspectorate was taking the He and was not reopening the recommendation of the DO11S British Asbestos Standard at this time Luxon said if we wanted him to coming OSHA Hearings it would throught come have over for the to be done up- John Garcia Labour Attache British Embassy File Merorandum - vage 6 Memorandum File File Memorandum June to united United June Memorandum United Kingdom Kingdom 6. Mesting Mesting Cross Cape . Mesting s June 1973) with Alex Cc June 28 Howard 1973 with A 414 representing ape) and & an Abbestoria to review the various Purpose Purpose this meeting wae review the us at Purpose of this meeting was review various ways which the British group ways ways which vas Opening of standard setting, We reviewed the OSKA procedures on standard standard setting told reviewed reviewed OSKA procedures would standard setting setting understood understood criteria package asbestos reopening package package of seven monthe unti} We said it would be a aininua of seven months until public hearing be minimum minimum now man Advisory months until could take hearing months the deliver report report Committee of Lator to Secretary meetings of Advisory Advisory Committed wbouutldthLaattor ppuabrltiiccipmeetiangs tion as listening listening concerned hearings participation participation participation Advisory Committee that eince only us ves Cross and Howard suggested that since Br~ i in influencing spectorate spectorate spectorate instrumental to reopen the British N.M.Factory dard at not be helpful Asbestos Asbestos threa of tian it might of the arrange people all savers BONS Dr. Hilton Levinsohn Stephen Holmes Dr. Dr. Gilson's staff . 0. Berry Statistician Committee present present the Advisory and present the rationale beforfeor their not Committee BBrirtisih triasthioSntaalnedard of two fibers John Gilson Gilson by by recommended that the by U.K. far most asbestos eminent medical scientist appear U.K. et on asbestos would the best one to at appear the final and hearings should necessary necessary OSHA public necessary. hae ~ File Memor .~Report of trip to United Kingdom June 23 - July 1 says 9 1973 7. MM . J. Gilson and Research Marah the Lowinsohn matter and stres We reviewed Salikoff's action as en the fact that we lookedAso bn estos Standard and on the attack on the British and the SONS reputation of M.H. Pactory Inspectorate standards to protect their in the setting of propaegrreed it appeared to be so workers Dr. Gilson He said he but had no He prefers to be informed of these matters was glad in the political area itontdeervesotte his time to pura modical research of the CSKA Asbestos We talked about the reopening that he had no interest Standard and again he stressed I got the feeling scientific However for George Wright itnhatthein light of his warm regard in the upcoming should Dr. Gilson bsehonueleddehdistohetaelstthifpyermit it he would from Dr. Wright OSHA Hearings and directly react favorably to a request Dr. Gilson asked that his At the end of the meeting of the following Levinsohn- secretary make a xerox Selikoff material - " Transcript of Selikoff's presentation at the AIHA Meeting at Boston . Copy of the slide material used by Dr. Selikoff at Boston Dr. Levinsohn from which - Copy of the article by taken the information Dr. Selikoff claims to have ** fnetan he presented of Dr. George Wright's memo to me commenting - Coonpythe Levinsohn matter He did not ask to xerox theheLseaivd iMrn.sBoerhrynhlaedttberrought draft tobaJcekliwkiotfhf hbiemcafursoem Rochdale that morning and vas a copy giving it to Dr. Gilson with our strategy in Dr. Gilson was in full agreement the Levinsohn nutter Pila Memorandum - Page 10 Report of trip to United Kingdom - July , 4913 that this entire In closing this report let me say by Ivan Sabourin ---- trip at my request request was planned ablu to spend time did an outstanding outstanding job We were as important to a with everyone we had designated of reopening the OSIIA asbestos discussion of this subject standard F. J. Solon Jr.