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IS m s D3ITED STATES DISTRICT SCDTBBHS DISTRICT OF BEST VIRGINIA CHARLSSTCa, WEST VIBGZBIA JM SS M. ADSZB8, A d e ln ia tra tc r ) o f e ls E sta te o f Ralph E . A d k in s,) Doeaaaod, a t a l , ) .- ' ) P la in tiffs, ) : . ' |: os. .. : - : ) ) Ho. 81-2098 ) K03SABTO eOHBAHf, a D alasara C orporaties, ) ) V- ) B afondant. ) - D aposition o f LLD1D J . BCZSCH taksa an babalf of tha P la in tiffs. ********** K ap eeter: M. Jo y S p rin g e r J ames M ay R eporting S ervice C ER TIFIED SH O R TH A N D REPORTERS . R.R. 2 - B O X 65 EDWARDSVILLE. ILLINOIS 62025 IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF WEST VIRGINIA CHARLESTON, WEST VIRGINIA JAMES M. ADKINS, A d m in istra to r ) o f the E sta te o f Ralph E. A dkins,) Deceased, e t a l, ) ) P la in tiffs, ) '- vs. ) ) MONSANTO COMPANY, a Delaware C o rp o ra tio n , ) ) ) ) Defendant, ) No. . 81-2098 APPEARANCES: M e ssrs. C a lw e ll, McCormick & P e y to n , by W. S t u a r t C a lw e ll, J r . , E sq . For P la in tiffs , M e ssrs. B ow les, McDavid, G r a f f &. Love, by C h a rle s M. Love I I I , E sq . For D efendant, Thomas M. B i s t l i n e , E sq. Counsel for M onsanto Company, IT IS STIPULATED AND AGREED by and between cou n sel fo r the p la in t if f s and cou n sel for the defendant th a t the d e p o s it io n o f LLOYD J. BGESCH may be taken pur su an t to Rule 26 (a) o f the F ed era l Rules o f C iv il Pro ce d u re , on June 2 1 , 1983, a t the R adisson H o te l, pike Room, 9th S tr e e t and Convention P la za , S t. L ou is, Miss ouri* b efo r e M. JOY SPRINGER, a N otary P u b lic w ith in and fo r the County of Madison, S ta te o f I l l i n o i s ; that the issuan ce JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE -- V^gt^ C ------ 1 1 2 3 o f n o tic e and dedimus i s w aived , and th a t t h is d e p o sitio n J may be taken w ith the same fo r c e and e f f e c t as i f a l l F ed eral l r u le s and s ta tu to r y requirem ents had been complied w ith . -' . 4 IT IS FURTHER STIPULATED AND AGREED th a t any and a l l 5 ob jection s to a l l or any part of th is deposition, except ob- 6 j e c tio n s as to form of the q u estio n s'a sk ed or answers g iv e n , 7 are hereby r e ser v ed and may be r a is e d on th e t r i a l o f t h is 8 cau se; and th a t the sig n a tu re o f the deponent is not w aived. 9 * **** * * * 10 LLOYD J . BOESCH 11 produced, sworn and examined on b e h a lf o f the p l a i n t i f f s , 12 d ep oses and sa y s as f o l l o w s : 13 EXAMINATION 14 BY MR. CALWELL: 15 (Whereupon the r e p o r te r marked P l a i n t i f f s 1 Depo16 s i t i o n E x h ib it #124, c o n s is t in g o f 2 pages; E x h ib it ' 17 # 1 2 5 , c o n s is t in g o f 1 page; E x h ib it #126, c o n s is t in g o f 18 2 pages; and E x h ib it # 1 2 7 , c o n s is t in g o f 2 p a g es, 19 fo r the purposes o f i d e n t i f i c a t i o n . ) 20 Q (By Mr. C a llw e ll) T e ll us your name, s i r . 27 'A Lloyd J. Boesch, B -o -e -s-c -h . 22 Q And where do you l i v e , Mr. Boesch? 23 A I l i v e a t 318 W ild b rier D r iv e , B a llw in , 24 1M isso u ri. 25 Q W ild b rier? JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE 2 tfc iV .-'i i * 2 3 -' 4 ' 5 6 7 8 9 10 n 12 13 u 15 16 17 18 19 20 ' 21 22 23 24 25 v---- ! A V -i-1-d -b -r-i-e-r, Q Ballwin? 1 A B -a-l-l-w -i-n , Q M isso u r i, huh? A M issouri, 63011. Q How old a re you? A 4 5 . I ' l l be 46 n ex t week or som ething lik e that. Q L et me sa y fo r th e r e c o r d , s i r , you d o n 't look a day o f i t . A Thank you. Q I want to a sk you some q u e stio n s about your e d u c a tio n a l background. Where d id you go to c o lle g e ? I assume you went to c o lle g e . A I went to Tulane U n iv e r s ity in New i O ir lea n s.9 L o u isia n a . :l Q Did you g et a Degree? A B.S. in Chemical E ngineering. Q What year was th at? A '59. Q Did you do any p o st-g ra d u a te work? A No, s ir , I did n o t. Q That was your one and o n ly D e g r e e ,* r ig h t? A R ight. Q Upon gra d u a tin g in 1959 what did you do? JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE , J 3 C A1 2 3 /4 5 6 7 8 9 10 n 12 13 14 15 16 , 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24. 25 \ 1 A I became an employee of Monsanto. Q R igh t ou t o f s c h o o l, huh? A R ight. . Q And what o f f i c e in Monsanto did you go to? A I jo in e d the company a t the L u lin g , Louisiana, P lant. Q And what d id you do fo r them? A I held various engineering p osition s f o r the th ree and a h a lf years I was lo c a te d th ere. Q What kind o f p o s it io n s were those? A I n i t i a l l y I was Junior Engineer; I b e lie v e th ey c a lle d i t back in th o se d a y s, where I was a s s ig n e d v a r io u s s t u d ie s and p r o je c ts to work on in.som e o f the u n i t s , s o lv e problem s, determ ine how to e lim in a te c o s t s , save in p u t, so to speak. L ater I was a Maintenance Engineer in the M aintenance. Department fo r a portion o f the f a c i l i t i e s , and a ls o during th a t time I had a respons i b i l i t y to oversee the operation of a process control computer in our Anmonia P la n t. That w as, you m ight sa y , an im portant but p art-tim e jo b . I a ls o worked again in the T echnical S erv ices Department where I sta r te d o ff as a group leader working w ith other young engineers ju s t coming to work. Q You were th ere th ree and a h a lf years? A T hat1s r i g h t . JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE J 4 fiNfefc . t o Il 1 2 "3 4* 5 ,6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24. 25' '-- . Q And what was your t i t l e when you l e f t there ? A I think i t was S en ior Engineer. Q A l l r ig h t . Then d id you go to anoth er Monsanto f a c i l i t y ? A T h at's c o r r e c t. I was tra n sferred to - our Eldorado, Arkansas, Chemical P la n t. Q What did you do th ere? Was th a t in about 1962? A I t was a t the v ery end o f 1962, December of 1962. Q And what d id you do th ere? A I worked th ere fo r s ix years before I moved to a n o th er lo c a t io n . During th a t s i x years my i n i t i a l period o f employment th ere was in v o lv ed w ith the com pletion o f d esign and the in s t a lla t io n o f a process c o n t r o l computer and a s s o c ia t e d in str u m e n ta tio n on th e Ammonia P la n t a t th a t lo c a t io n , and I was in v o lv e d v ery C d eep ly in ex ecu tin g th a t from the tim e I a rriv ed u n t il about A p r il o f 1964. A fter th a t I became a S upervisor in our T echnical S ervices Department su p erv isin g the e n g in e e r s who worked on th e v a rio u s p r o c e sse s in the p la n t,. Q Technical Services? A Yes. Q What b a s i c a l l y do you do in T ech n ica l S e r v ic e s? { JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE ! 5 A Well, every p la n t's a l i t t l e b it d i f f e r e n t , but in th a t case and in most cases -- I had the Engineering Department, and the people in the En g i n e e r i n g D e p a rtm e n t in t h a t p lan t worked f o r me. They were people th a t did design work, helps c o rre c t problems. Q For in s ta n c e , i f you had a p la n t th a t was m anufacturing 2 ,4 ,5 -T , then the T echnical S ervices D epartm ent would be r e s p o n s ib le f o r any pro cess changes in terms of designing the apparatus and th a t kind of thing? A Perhaps. In the case of the plant I was w orking in , t h a t ' s the c a s e . T h a t's r i g h t . Every organization does th a t a l i t t l e b it d iffe re n tly . T hat's how we w o r k e d i t . Q But t h a t 's b a s ic a lly what T echnical Services does -- A Search for solutions. Q R i g h t . 0. K. A And t h e n I w e n t t o h o l d o t h e r jo b 6 i n s u p e r v i s i o n i n t h e p l a n t . I was Ammonia P r o d u c t i o n S u p e r v i s o r , Maintenance S u p e rv iso r, and I was T echnical Super in te n d e n t when I had a l l e n g in e e r in g and r e p o r t i n g a c c o u n t i n g t o me a s w e l l a s t h e l a b . Then I was t h e M a i n t e n a n c e S u p e r i n t e n d e n t and th e n s h o r t l y b e f o r e I moved I had been a p p o in t e d M a n u fa c tu rin g S u p e r i n t e n d e n t , b u t I was only in th a t job a couple of months and tra n s fe rre d to JAMES MAY REPO RTING SERVICE f t - (fi i7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 . 25 . Annis to n , Alabama, Q And th a t was in 1968? A 1968, you got i t . Q And were you in v o lv e d in th e m anufacture o f N iran down th ere? A T h at's r ig h t . I was then what was c a lle d the Guest Manufacturing Superintendent, Q N iran was a g u e st operation? A I t was a t t h a t tim e . The Ag D iv is i o n , a t th a t time th ey c a l le d i t . And I was r e s p o n s ib le fo r the operation of the Parathion P la n t, which one o f the p ro d u cts we c a l le d N ira n , and a l s o the p ro d u ctio n o f phosphorus p e n t a s u lf id e r w hich i s a raw m a te r ia l fo r p a ra th io n . I was in th a t job fo r on ly a year. X was s e n t back to Eldorado a s P la n t im a g e r . X was the P la n t Ifenager o f Eldorado from the F a ll o f *69 to the F a ll o f f 73. Q What happened in *73? X. A I was tra n sfe rr ed back to the L u lln g Plant as Plant tfenager. Q O.K. L et me a sk you, what i s the b a s ic m ission o f a P lan t Manager in the Monsanto system? A The b a s ic m issio n i s to a ssu r e t h a t the i d e n t i f i c a t i o n o f req u ired r e so u r c e s i s made and th a t th e y a r e e i t h e r procured or sou gh t -from a u t h o r it ie s h ig h e r up who have th e-w h erew ith a l to p rovid e them, which ; JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE 7  i> ir 1 th e P la n t hfenager d o n 't, b u t to g e t th e jo b done by 2 b rin g in g th e re so u rc e s to g e th e r and g e ttin g the p ro d u c ts 3 s h ip p e d a c c o r d in g to th e s c h e d u le s t h a t come o u t o f 4 our S ch ed u lin g , our d is tr ib u tio n o rg a n iz a tio n . So i t 's 5 re s o u rc e m anagem ent. I t ' s p e o p le and d o lla r s an d th in g s 6 m anagem ent. 7 Q And in c a rry in g o u t t h a t m is s io n , 8 you a ls o re s p o n s ib le f o r th e d evelopm ent and m ain ten an ce 9 o f h e a lth .s e r v ic e s and in d u s tr ia l hygiene? 10 A ~ O h , a b s o l u t e l y . R e s p o n s i b l e f o r t h e 11 t o t a l r e s u l t a t t h e p l a n t , i n c l u d i n g s a f e t y o f t h e p e o p l e 12 a n d t h e i n v e s t m e n t , t h e r e s p o n s i b i l i t y w e h a v e t o o u r 13 n e i g h b o r s , t h e o u t s i d e w o r l d , n o t t o h a v e e m i s s i o n s t h a t 14 e i t h e r v i o l a t e t h e l a w o r a r n o x i o u s t o o u r c o m m u n i t i e s , 15 e t c e t e r a , o r t o t h e h e a l t h o f o u r o w n e m p l o y e e s , r e s 16 p o n s i b l e f o r t h e q u a l i t y o f t h e p r o d u c t . .17 Q T h i s a r e a o f y o u r r e s p o n s i b i l i t y i n 18 v o l v t n g s a f e t y , i n d u s t r i a l h y g i e n e , h e a l t h , a s I t r e 19 l a t e s n o t o n l y . t o e m p l o y e e s b u t o u t s i d e e n v i r o n m e n t , 20 i s . t h a t r e s p o n s i b i l i t y a t w o - w a y s t r e e t i n t h a t , I . a s s u m e , 21 y o u * r e r e s p o n s i b l e f o r i m p l e m e n t i n g c o m p a n y p o l i c i e s i n 22 t h a t r e g a r d , b u t a r e y o u a l s o c h a r g e d w i t h s o m e i n d i v i d u a l 23 24 r e s p o n s ib ility fo r th a t to i n i t i a t e program s? A S u r e . We a r e r e s p o n s i b l e t o a c c o m p l i s h 25 t h e c o m p a n y ' s s t a n d a r d s a s w e l l a s t o i n i t i a t e p r o g r a m s t o I! JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE 'i 8 achieve the b est p ossib le con d itions o f sa fe ty or en vironment or c o s t, whatever. Q And has th a t been the c a s e , a t l e a s t , s in c e 1968, th a t you know of? A I d id n 't understand your question. Q W ell, has th a t m issio n been th e same s in c e a t l e a s t 1968 sface you were f i r s t the P la n t Manager? A You mean from my p e r so n a l p e r s p e c tiv e or Monsanto's? Q From your own p e r s o n a l, . A Oh, su r e . : : r - Q H o w . about p rio r to th at time? As fa r as y o u 'know, has i t alw ays been th a t way? A Rigjxt. Q In the F a l l o f *73 y o u 'r e back a t L u lin g as P la n t Manager. How lon g were you th ere? A I was th ere from F a l l o f *73 u n t i l the end o f O ctober, 1975. Two y e a r s. Q What happened then? A . And then I was a p p o in ted D irector- o f Products fo r Monsanto A g r ic u ltu r a l P roducts Company, and I had r e s p o n s ib ility for Business Planning. Q Do you c a l l th a t MAP? A Yeah. Q Is that in S t. Louis? JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE ~* i ft* i 1 A Y es, S t , L o u is. My r e s p o n s i b i l i t y was 2 fo r a number o f p r o d u c ts. There were two o f u s. I t was ' * 3 a new o r g a n iz a tio n b ein g s e t up, and t h is was fo r the '. 4 5 6 Crop C hem icals D iv is io n , by th e way, o f fr&P. I had r e s p o n s ib ility fo r business str a te g y and marketing stra teg y f o r p rod ucts L a sso , Kamrod, P a r a th e s, P a ra th io n , Randox, . 7 S to p sk o l - - I b e lie v e I*ve covered them a l l -- and the 8 form ulation s o f those p rod u cts, whether granule or liq u id . 9 Q And th a t began in 1975? 10 A Yes. I was a b u sin e ss/m a rk etin g r e s - U p o n s ib ility as opposed to having been a manufacturing 12 r e s p o n s i b i l i t y over th e p a s t s ix t e e n y e a r s. 13 Q And i s th a t what you do p r e s e n tly ? 14 A No. 15 Q What happened then? 16 A I h e ld th a t p o s it io n and the product 17 18 19 ' 20 21 22 23 * 24 i 25 r e s p o n s ib ilitie s changed around a l i t t l e b it over the tim e, A but b a s ic a lly the change in job r e s p o n s ib ility and the major p ro d u ct, L a sso , were made a t th e same tim e. In 1979, end o f *78, I c a n 't remember the p r e c is e d a te , end o f *78 or e a r ly *79, I became D ir e c to r o f S a le s fo r Crop. C hem icals fo r the U nited S ta t e s fo r the Crop Chem icals D iv is io n o f MAP. Q For the United S tates? A Yes. j JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE !! is 1C  Si I 11 t 1 Q O.K. Is th a t what you a r e now? 2 A No. In the end o f December, 1980, I -3 was named G eneral >& nager-ifenufacturing f o r Monsanto ' * 4 . I n d u s t r ia l Chem icals Company, w hich t i t l e I h old todays - 5 which job has changed a l i t t l e b it as of the f i r s t o f 6 the year because o f th e r e o r g a n iz a tio n s we had in Monsanto 7 during the l a s t h a lf o f l a s t year and implemented on 8 January 1 s t , w hich means, r e a l l y I have some d i f f e r e n t 9 product and p la n t r e s p o n s ib ilit ie s , but the o v e r a ll 10 n a t u r e .o f th e jo b i s the same. n Q What i s B2SC7 12 A T h a t's a lo c a t io n in a b u ild in g , I'm . 13 n o t s u r e , but i t may be my b u ild in g a d d r e s s . I'm B2S some14 th in g . T h a t's one o f th e d o o r s, s o t o sp ea k , s u i t e s . 15 Q L et m e-ask you, a s G eneral O n a g e r o f 16 M anufacturing fo r Monsanto I n d u s t r ia l Chem icals Company, 17 .where do you f i t In the o r g a n iz a tio n a l scheme o f th in g s? 18 MR. LOVE: O b jectio n to th e form o f 19 the q u e s tio n .. In terms o f what? 20 Q (3y Mr. C a lw e ll) In terms o f your com21 pany. In o th er w ords, w ho's above you? 22 A I r e p o r t to th e Group V ice P r e s id e n t 23 Managing D ir e c to r of Monsanto I n d u s t r ia l C hem icals Com24- pany, who i s th e head o f the company. 25 q A l l r i g h t . And who i s th a t gentlem an? i JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE 13 --*SE--- =-----f(Et7----1 1 2 *. * 3 -' . 4 ' 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 . 25 A Today h e 's R o b ert P o tte r . " Q M onsanto? O .K . H e 1s h e a d o f t h i s c o m p a n y w i t h i n rig h t? A Q T h a t's r ig h t . And y o u 're d i r e c tl y u n d er th is g e n tle n a n , - A T h a t's c o r r e c t. Q So y o u jr e num ber tw o n an in t h i s M o n san to I n d u s t r i a l C h em icals Company? ' * A W e ll, t h e r e 's a few o th e r fe llo w s t h a t c o u ld s a y th e same th in g . Q Same l e v e l ? A Yeah. Q N ex t le v e l dow n, though? A The t r u t h o f i t i s I am , b u t some m ig h t d isag ree. Q Who i s a b o v e R o b e r t P o t t e r ? A He r e p o r t s t o E x e c u tiv e V ic e P r e s i d e n t , who is M r. F itz g e r a ld . Q Now, h e 's E x e c u tiv e V ic e P r e s i d e n t o f w hat? A M onsanto Com pany, th e c o rp o ra tio n . Q H e 's a c o r p o r a te l e v e l guy? A T h a t 's r i g h t . He r e p o r t s t o M r. M a h o n e y , th e P re sid e n t JAMES MAY REPO RTING SERVICE 12 _# 1 Q A l l r i g h t . Now, when you were D ir e c to r 2 o f S a le s fo r Crop C hem icals, Monsanto A g r ic u ltu r a l Products 3 fo r the e n tir e United S ta te s, what le v e l is th at w ith in -' . 4 5 ,6 w hatever company i t i s th a t th a t d iv is io n - -- A I f I understand what you're g e ttin g a t , i t ' s e q u iv a le n t to a l e v e l th a t r e p o r ts to me in t h is - 7 other organization. 8 Q This would be lik e another company, 9 so to speak, w ith in Monsanto Corporation? 10 A R ig h t. MAP i s j u s t l i k e MIC b u t an o th er * U company, and my b o ss was the G eneral Manager. The o r - 12 g a n iz a t io n a l s tr u c tu r e w a sn 't e x a c t ly the same, but l e v e l - 13 w is e t h a t ' s hew i t w as. . 14 Q And th e r e p o r tin g would be th e same? 15 You would go up to a V ic e P r e s id e n t, then the head o f th e 16 company and than to C orporate l e v e l and so on? 17 A Uh huh (y e s ) . 18 Q A l l -r ig h t. And would D ir e c to r o f 19 P roducts -- 20 A I t was e q u iv a le n t l e v e l job as the 21 s a l e s jo b . That was a peer jo b . 22 Q A l l r i g h t . New, a s G eneral Manager o f 23 M anufacturing f o r Monsanto I n d u s t r ia l Chem icals Company, 24. what are your general r e s p o n s ib ilitie s ? 25 A W ell, my g e n e r a l r e s p o n s i b i l i t i e s are ; [ JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE | 13 ----J-&--t---r-Wai ---1 2 3 -' 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 U 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24. 25 to provide the organization to accom plish procurement. m anufacture and d is t r ib u t io n o f th e products th a t MIC has r e s p o n s ib ility for marketing and s e llin g , in clu d in g th o se who m ight through our r e s e a r c h b r in g on a s new . p rod u cts a s w e ll a s th e e x i s t i n g b u s in e s s e s we had. That r e s p o n s i b i l i t y co v ers th e broad a r e a s we ta lk e d about over the P lan t Managers and th a t the P lan t Managers has and goes beyond th at because it ,h a s the d istr ib u tio n , p ro d u ctio n p la n n in g , e t c e t e r a , a s p e c t s . In my job th ere a r e tw e lv e p la n ts th a t r e p o r t t o p eop le who r e p o r t to mea and we have o p e r a tio n s in a d d it io n a l sev en U. S . p la n ts and f i v e ex-U. S. p la n ts th a t were r e s p o n s ib le fo r the production and the resou rcin g through other lin e or- g a n iza tio a s lik e mine. Q New, w ith in your company do you have a M edical D ivison or a M edical D irector? A W ithin MIC? Q Yes. 2. A No. We have w ith in MIC, i f you1re ta lk in g a b o u t h e a lth a s p e c ts f o r em ployees or my a r e a s o f resp on sib ility. Q R ight. A A guy whors r e a l l y our o r g a n iz a tio n a l- guy we c a l l DEO, D ir e c to r o f E nvironm ental O p era tio n s, who has en v iro n m en ta l and in d u s t r ia l h y g ien e e x p e r t is e - JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE 14  ft '-9 i 2 3 -' 4 ' 5 6 7 8 9 10 n 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 . 25 : > a s a r e so u r c e w ith in our company to my o r g a n iz a tio n and to h elp our people in our p la n ts who have those kind o f ' r e s p o n s ib ilitie s , and h e's a ls o the con tact to the Corporate stru ctu re. _ q Now, i s th a t l e v e l p o s it io n found in the ether o p era tin g companies o f Monsanto? A Yes, s ir . . Q And who do th o se p eo p le answer to? A Our DEO r e p o r ts to th e G eneral Manager o f R esearch and D evelopm ent, who was a peer o f m ine. Q Of R esearch and Development? A Of R esearch and Developm ent. Q go to him? A Now, th a t would be a l l o f th e DEO' s We have one DEO in MIC, and he r e p o r ts t o <-- q In your p a r t ic u la r company? A ` Dr. Demavisicm (p h o n e tic ) , who i s Manager A o f Research and Development. q For MIC? A R ight. q Each o f th e se o th e r com panies, M&P, have a sim ilar situ ation ? A They have DE.0. q New, Is th ere some Corporate o f f i c e or p o sitio n that 's over the e n tir e D irector of Environmental j JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE r #A r- 1 I Hygiene Operation fo r a l l these le v e ls , a Corporate le v e l 2 tnan? 3 A W ell, th ere's Corporate s t a ff which is 4 an o v e r s i g h t ' s w e ll a s a r e so u r c e . We have Environm ental 5 . Operations s t a f f thads headed by Senior Vice P resid en t. 6 Q Who i s th at? 7 A T h a t's Monty Throdahl, who i s a S en io r 8 V ice P r e s id e n t, member o f th e B oard. o f D ir e c to r s o f 9 M onsanto, and under him are our Departments o f M edicine 10 and our o th e r en v iro n m en ta l. 11 Q W hat's h is t i t l e ? 12 A H e's a C orporate S en io r V ice P r e s id e n t. . 13 And h e 's a l s o , I d o n 't know w hether we c a l l i t D ir e c to r , 14 o f E nvironm ental P o lic y S t a f f . 15 Q And i s th e r e a l i n e from him to the 16 DEO's? ; 17 A T h ere's a l i n e to each o f the DEO's, 18 And i t ' s th e p o l i c y , th e o v e r s ig h t and th e in terch a n g e 19 l i n e . 20 Q Now, a r e th e se r e l a t i v e l y new d e v e lo p - * 21 ments or has t h is o r g a n iz a tio n in i t s b a s ic form e x is t e d 22 fo r some p erio d o f time? 23 A In terms o f c o n c e p ts , th ey a re n o t new. 24- In terms o f th e arrangem ent o f c e r t a in p eop le in jo b s 25 by name and the a rea s o f r e s p o n s i b i l i t y , some o f them are | JAMES MAY REPO RTING SERVICE i i 16 * fk ,M 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24. 25 changed because o f our reorgan ization ju s t re c e n tly accom p lish ed . For exam ple, I'm G eneral Manager o f M an u factu rin g. I*m one o f th e few guys who was and s t i l l i s in b a s i c a l l y th e same a r e a , b u t I g o t fo u r . p lants I didn'1 have before and lo s t two, so to speak, t o some o th e r guy l i k e me. Mr. Papage o rg e was a DEO in a n o th er o p e r a tin g company, and ha became our DEO in the sh u ffle , so to speak. Q But as far as th e b a sic concept Is concerned, th se o p eratin g companies w ith someone who's th e e q u iv a le n t o f a DEO and then an sw erin g to a Corpor a t e l e v e l person who i s an e n v ir o n m e n ta lis t o f s o r t , that concept has been In ex isten ce fo r -- A I'm try in g to remember. I t ' s been in e x iste n c e , I want to sa y , sin ce '77, '7 8 , but I d on 't know i f 1 can be a c c u r a te on th e h i s t o r i c e v e n t . And c e r t a i n l y t h a t was an outgrow th o f how we were go in g about i t before. Q O.K* Are you f a m ilia r w ith a su b sta n ce th a t has become id e n t if ie d in the p ress as a d ioxin ? A Do you mean g e n e r ic a lly ? Q Yes. A I g u e ss, about as fa m ilia r as you a re . Q And a re you lik e w is e fa m ilia r w ith a p a r tic u la r isomer o f i t , lik e , 2 , 3 , 7 , 8 tetra ch lo ro d ib en zo - / J A M E S M A Y REPORTING SERVICE , 17 A ' - Y i | . p ara-dioxin? 2 A I'm fa m ilia r through what X have read 3 and what I have h eard . I have n o t had occasion to be ^4 d i r e c t l y in v o lv e d in o p e r a tio n s w here t h a t may have been 5 .m an u factu red on a f irs th a n d b a s is . ..s'* 6 Q When d id you f i r s t become aw are o f - 7 2,3,7,8-TCDD? 8 A Of the 2,3,7,8-TCDD* I guess I 'd have ? t o s a y , b a s t o f my k n o w led g e, was p ro b a b ly 1981 some tim e , 10 l a s t c o u p le o f y e a r s , a s a s p e c i f i c is o m e r, an d I g uess 11 I 'v e become more a c q u a in te d w ith t h a t d i f f e r e n t i a t i o n 12 o v e r th e tim e s in c e th e n . 13 Q And how w ere you made aw are o f t h a t ? 14 A See i f I can r e c a l l My r e c o l l e c t i o n 15 i s when th e te rm " d i o x i n / 1 w h ich I h ad been f a m i l i a r 16 w ith b e f o r e t h a t tim e , was so m e th in g 1 knew to be a t 17 b e s t a n u n d e s ir a b le b y p ro d u c t o f c e r t a i n c h e m ic a l o p e ra - A 18 t i o n s , I th o u g h t t h a t was a s p e c i f i c c h e m ic a l; an d In 19 some d i s c u s s i o n -- I r e a l l y c a n 't remember w hat i t was -- 20 I h e a r d someone r e f e r to TCDD, a n d I s a i d , " T e l l me w h at 21 th e e q u a tio n i s o r show me w hat th e o r g a n ic c h e m is tr y i s . " 22 I t was e x p la in e d t h a t was a n Iso m er a n d th e one t h a t had 23 had some h ad l a b o r a t o r y e x p e rie n c e w ith l a b o r a t o r y a n i n s l s . 24. From t h a t tim e on I g o t i n t e r e s t e d in w hat t h a t was to 25; th e e x te n t I was n o t a c a su a l o b serv er b u t n o t d ir e c tly JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE li in volved ob server, and X sta rted learn ing about the d if f e r e n c e ; but I c a n 't remember why or how e x c e p t th a t th ere was a referen ce to i t . Q And a t th a t tim e i s t h a t when you b e came aware th a t the d io x in you had heard about was in f a c t the 2 , 3 , 7 , 8 - TCDD? A Because I had heard about d io x in b efore by reading about Seveso, I t a ly , is the f i r s t time I heard th e term m entioned. And probably, r e fe r e n c e was made to the s p e c ific isomer then, but I d id n 't r e c a ll i t and i t w a sn 't im portant to me. Q The f i r s t tim e you became f a m ilia r w ith the term " d ioxin " would have been about when? A Whenever I read i t In some news and in a p erio d ica l a r tic le follow in g the event over in I ta ly . I c a n 't remember when th a t w as. I t m ight have been in th e la t e t o m id -'7 0 * 8 . Some f i v e y ea rs a g o . Q Now, from the tim e you f i r s t had o cca sio n t o read about i t , has your company provided you w ith any in fo rm a tio n ab ou t d io x in and i t s e f f e c t s on humans or your em ployees? A My company has p rovid ed me w ith some, I must sa y , lim ite d inform ation because th ere i s a whole lot o f inform ation th a t's n o n -sp e c ific in terms o f what I'v e read, and a lo t o f th a t's clip p in g s and so fo r th . JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE & d 1J - f c 1 2 .3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 n 12 . 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24- 25 Q What has your company to ld you? MR. LOVE; I 'm g o in g to ask you , i f you can , to d ir e c t your q u estio n s In terms o f s p e c ific time p erio d s. Q ( B y Mr. C a lw e ll) W e ll, In th e m id -'7 0 's - I think you f i r s t heard about d io x in . Since th a t tim e. A That was on my own. Q S in ce th a t time what has your company to ld you? A My company h a sn ' t t o ld me a n y th in g s p e c if ic a lly other than to provide a r t ic le s of in for nation and p u b lic a t io n s . My company h a s , in d iv id u a ls in my com- pany, has responded to q u e stio n s I may have ask ed ab ou t what are the fa c ts about threshold le v e ls , e t cetera . Q You sa y th r e sh o ld le v e l? A What can em ployees be exp osed t o , what sources o f th is chem ical might e x is t anywhere in our o p era tio n s because one m ight sa y i f you combine c h lo r in e and c y c l i c a l organ ic compound you co u ld p o s s ib ly -- ' Q Threw o f f? A That's too big a g en era liza tio n . Q you asked? These a re some o f the kinds o f q u e stio n s J A Sure. Q Who d id you a sk th o se q u e stio n s of? JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVI*CE I 20 -- -fl- ;* *' y \ 2' 3 4' 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A Of some o f my a s s o c ia t e s , l i k e , Dr. C a l l i s , who was my DEO, l i k e , some o f our people who work fo r him, and i t wasn11 n e c e s s a r ily a p u rsu it o f know ledge# i t was t o h e lp me understand in g en er a l . or som ething s p e c i f i c when I had a q u e stio n ; Where m ight we have any problems lik e t h i s and what a re th e f a c t s a b o u t, what are th e s a f e t y l i m i t s , t e l l me what somebody can be exp osed to and how we can measure i t . R e a lly the bottom lin e o f the in form ation X had was th a t we know t h a t we d o n 't want to take a chance o f having anybody exposed to d ioxin a t any p o ssib le le v e l we can measure b ecau se we d o n 't know i f th ere a re lo n g term e f f e c t s or n o t . E v ery th in g we know, up to now says th e r e a r e no e f f e c t s on the lo n g -term fo r humans, th e r e a r e a c u te e f f e c t s o f a c n e , w hich I had observed on some people a t N itr o , for example. Q L et me back up a m inu te. When you asked these q u e stio n s, what were you told ? A I think th a t's kind of a general q uestion. E very one was a se p a r a te q u e s tio n . Q W ell, when you ask ed about p o t e n t ia l h ea lth e f f e c t s , adverse h ea lth e f f e c t s , what were you told? A We know th a t exposure to a number o f c h lo r in a te d p h e n o lic compounds, in c lu d in g , we th in k , 2 , 3 , 7 , 8 or the d io x in s in g en era l cause c h lo r a cn e, and - JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE 2; I t ' s been observed in in d iv id u a ls around the w orld and in our em ploy, number o n e, Number two, to our knowledge there have been no other determ ined h ea lth e f f e c t s . I. was t o ld a t one tim e we hsd a t e s t th a t Dr. Suskind was doing to tr y and determ ine w hether there a re m o r ta lity or m orbidity e ffe c ts o f the r e s u lt of any exposures that might have occurred a t N itro . Q Who was th e so u rce o f t h is inform ation? A Dr, C a llis , and t h is was in co n v ersa tio n . Q Did you a s c e r t a in when Monsanto knew ab out th e se h e a lt h e f f e c t s or when Dr. Callis knew? MR. LOVE: S tu art* I o b je c t to the form o f th e q u e s tio n . You haven' t s p e c if i e d what h e a lt h e f f e c t s y o u 're t a lk in g a b o u t. You ta lk in g about chloracne? Q (By Mr. C a lw e ll) W e ll, what he s a id . A L et me understand your q u e stio nA a g a in , Q W ell, you in q u ired , ap p aren tly, o f a couple o f these gentlemen about ce rta in a sp ects of d io x in . One o f th o se a s p e c ts was a d v erse h e a lth e f f e c t s , and you were to ld th a t, w e ll, one o f th ese d ioxin s or some o f them ca u se ch lo ra cn e? A And I was a l s o t o ld th a t c e r t a in other chlorinated chem icals - Q -- can do t h a t . Were you a b le to JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE a s c e r t a in when i t was determ ined th a t ch loracn e co u ld be caused by these dioxins? A No, You mean In terms o f when we found out th at I t caused that? Q R ight, A No. I never asked the q u estion , I guess* Q Did you lea rn through ju s t gen eral in q u ir ie s in read in g th a t you a p p a ren tly do? A W ell,' I 've le a rn ed through my a s s o c ia t io n over tim e th a t we had e x p e r ie n c e d a t N it r o , w hich I became, fa m ilia r w ith because o f an a s s o c ia t io n th e r e , th a t some o f our em ployees th a t worked in c e r t a in u n it s s u ffe r e d from a ch lo ra cn e c o n d itio n back over some years past. q Were you a b le t o determ ine through th a t in q u ir y or in v e s t ig a t io n as to w h e n .it was d e te r mined th a t the ch lo ra cn e ex p erien ced a t N itr o was caused by dioxin? A I n ev er d id know w hether i t was by d ioxin or n o t, I might assume th a t because of th e. su g g estio n , th a t w hatever was r e le a s e d , q u o te, d io x in in S ev eso caused t h i s , b u t i t was what we were doing in our u n it w hich a t th a t time had been making 2 , 4 , 5 - T , q So you s t i l l don' t know w hether ch loracn e a t N itro w a s'caused by d io x in or not? JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE % * 'i i. * y 1 ---- A No. S p e c i f i c a l l y , no, I don' t know. 2 Q I s th e re anyone in your company th a t 3 you know o f t h a t knows? 4 A I don't know. 5 Q Have you asked? A No, not that sp e c ific question. 7 Q Now, you s a id you observed some ch lo ra cn e 8 in N itro employees? ? A Yes. TO Q When d id you do th a t? 11 A F i r s t time; e v e r was 1969 when I 12 happened to be a v i s i t o r th e re w ith no r e la t io n s h ip 13 t o what was b ein g done a t th a t p la n t , but i t was p o in ted 14 ou t th a t some o f th e p eop le were having d i f f i c u l t y . 15 Q What was b ein g done a t th e p la n t? 16 A What do you mean? X was g o in g to a 17 m anufacturing m eetin g o f p eo p le from th e v a rio u s p la n ts 18 around th e c o u n tr y , and N itr o h o ste d i t and we were, g iv e n 19 a tou r o f th e p lant. One o f my a s s o c ia t e s p o in te d ou t 20 - th a t th a t guy has c h lo r a c n e . - I s a i d , l e t me s e e i t . 21 Q And th a t was ab out in 1969 and you ware 22 . a t th e N itr o p la n t , r ig h t? 23 l11 A Yeah. For ab out a . h a l f a da^y. 24 j! 1! Q In what co n n ectio n was the ch loracn e * 25 1 brought up and how d id th a t become a p a rt o f the c o a v e r s a tio i 1' ' ' '. JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE i 4 1 ' *> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 n 12 13 14 15 16 .17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24. 25 .. i f you r e c a ll? A As we were to u r in g , a number o f us were touring through a u n it , our h o st, one o f the f e l l o w s , one o f our m anufacturing a s s o c ia t e s , p o in ted out th a t some o f the guys had been having d i f f i c u l t y w ith g e ttin g a rash , and they c a lle d i t ch loracn e, as I r e c a ll ;then, from th e d u s t , some o f the d u st around th e u n i t . - Q I t was t h a t 2 ,4 ,5 * 7 u n it? A My r e c o l l e c t i o n was t h a t was th e T u n i t . Q And i t was a t t h a t tim e t h a t you were a b le to observe t h is c o n d itio n on a worker there? A On a w orker. I was t o l d th a t some o f them were s u s c e p t ib le and some w e r e n 't and th e y were tryin g to rake sure that people w eren't exposed to d u st, but some guys had a r e a l problem , th e y 'd w alk in and break o u t , souse d id n 't have any p rob lem .. That ended my in volvem en t or i n t e r e s t a t t h a t tim e . I t was j u s t an observation. Q Was i t d u sty when you were in th ere? .A As 1 can r e c a l l , n o , b u t I c a n 't , t a l l you th a t th e u n it was running or n o t a t th e tim e . They may have been down, I d o n ' t know. I t w a s n 't d u s ty , th a t I r e c a ll, b ut, J esu s, th a t's been a long time ago. Q The worker was a t the - u n it when you saw him? *! JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE j 2: *$ 1, * 1 2 3 *- * 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 n 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 2425 A Yes. Q Did you se e c h lo ra c n a on someone su b - sequent to th a t tim e? A Yes. Q And when d id t h a t happen? - A On o th e r v i s i t s t o N i t r o s in c e I have been G eneral Manager o f M an u factu rin g . I t was pointed out th a t I talk ed to a gentlem an, I c a n 't re - member h is name, who th e y s a id had had a c a se o f c h lo ra c n e f o r many y e a rs . Q And t h a t w ould have b een some tim e in 1980 or th e re a fte r? A '8 0 , yes. Q You d i d n 't h av e o c c a s io n to go back to N itro u n t i l you became G eneral Manager o f M anufacturing fo r M onsanto I n d u s tr ia l Chem icals? A T h a t 's my r e c o l l e c t i o n . I w an t t o s a y I w en t b a c k t o some t r a i n i n g s e s s i o n th e r e b u t d i d n ' t even go o u t in th e p l a n t , b u t I c a n 't remember f o r s u r e . P rio r to 1980. Q O.K. 1 w ant to hand you w h a t's been marked as P la in t if f s * E x h ib it #124 (Monsanto i d e n tif ic a tio n 1 number 8324170), and a sk you to ta k e a look a t th a t, i f . i you w ould. A ll r i g h t , Mr. B oesch, you have had an JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE 26 1 op p ortu n ity to examine P l a i n t i f f s 1 E x h ib it #124, have 2 you not? 3 A Y es, I have* 4 Q And co u ld you i d e n t i f y t h a t , p le a s e , . 5 . for the record. & A P l a i n t i f f s ' E x h ib it 124 i s a Monsanto 7 in t e r n a l memorandum from C layton C a l l i s to a number o f 8 p eo p le l i s t e d a s p r e s e n t and a d d r e s s e e s . The s u b je c t 9 was the N itr o H ealth Study Task F o rce, M inutes o f 10 M eetin g November 2 1 , 1980. I t l i s t s a number o f is s u e s IT th a t a p p a r e n tly were d is c u s s e d , and I'm shown a s a 12 c a r b o n ee. 13 Q A l l r i g h t . Thank you. What i s the 14 N itr o H ealth Study Task Force? 15 A The N itr o H ealth Study Task F orce 16 has been s in c e 1 have become f a m ilia r w ith i t a com 17 m itte e o f the v a rio u s d is c i p li n e s th a t needed to d ea l 18 w ith making sure we were u n d ersta n d in g and sh a r in g th e 19 information we had ab out th e N itr o h e a lth s i t u a t i o n in 20 g en era l, the h is t o r ic a l as w e ll as the cu rren t, and to 21 d e a l w ith making su re we made proper r e p r e s e n ta tio n s 22 o f o u r s e lv e s and what we knew to our em ployees and to 23 th e o u ts id e w o rld . 24 Q Now, i s the N itr o H ealth Study Task 25 Force s t i l l in e x is te n c e ? JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE MR. LOVE; O bject to the form o f the q u e s tio n . Go ahead and answ er. A I cannot say for sure, although, I b e lie v e i t is w ith somewhat d iff e r e n t membership. Since the reorgan ization the N itro Plant r e sp o n sib ility - *' i s in an oth er op eratin g company. I would say I think so but I'm n ot su re, Q (By Mr. C a lw e ll) A t the tim e o f t h is memorandum d e s ig n a ted P l a i n t i f f s 1 E x h ib it 124, were you a member o f th e N itro H ealth Study Task Force? A No, s ir . Q Why would you be r e c e iv in g c o p ie s o f the minutes o f the N itro H ealth Study Task Force? A I was a t t h is tim e a one-month General Manager o f M anufacturing endeavoring to organize a M anufacturing D iv is io n in an o p era tin g company th a t d id n o t h&ve s p e c i f i c a l l y a m a n u fa ctu rin g -o rien ted d iv is io n . I t was m anufacturing management was s p l i t Into the d iffe r e n t business u n its,an d w ith the plant r e s p o n s ib ilit y I had I'm sure th a t author f e l t lik e I needed to g e t up to speed an that goes a t N it r o . Q And th a t would be C layton C a l l i s , th e author? A Y es. Who was a DEO a t th a t tim e. Q Was th a t your o n ly co n n ectio n w ith the JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE __ ______&___Il__________ :______________________________________________________________ if,. *' y 1 N itro H ealth Study Task Force, a r e c e iv e r of cop ies o f 2 the minutes? 3 A No. 4 Q What <her c o n n e c tio n d id you have w ith i t ? 5 A I attend ed one m eeting. I d on't r e member when. E a r ly in th e game. P robably some tim e in 7 e a r ly ' 8 1 , but my in volvem en t was to in f lu e n c e , to s u g g e s t 8 a re a s fo r fo c u s , to encourage us to .get on w ith anything 9 t h a t we i d e n t i f i e d a s som ething we needed to pay a t te n 10 t io n to and to r e s o lv e any is s u e s th a t were iip in th e 11 a i r . The m anufacturing person who has se r v e d on i t , 12 in f a c t , two o f them ' t i l l a s t December when we r e 13 o r g a n iz e d , re p o r te d to me. U Q On page 2 o f th a t e x h ib it th ere i s a 15 r e fe r e n c e to a Dr* F in e under a paragraph d e s ig n a W N it r o 16 sam in e." Do you know who th a t gentlem an is ? 17 A No, I do n o t. 18 Q What a r e n ltr o sa m in e s? 19 A You may embarrass me ab out my la c k o f 20 organic chem ical e x p e r tise , but nltrosam ines are organic 21 c h em ic a ls o f a c e r t a in c o n f ig u r a tio n , an isom er o f some 22 s o r t , and, I'm s o r r y , I r e a l l y c a n ' t e x p la in th e ch em istry 23 o f i t , th a t show up a s byproducts or you can make it^ 24. but in c e r t a in byproducts o f c e r t a in o th er ch em ical 25' r e a c t io n s . N ltro sa m in es have some su sp e c te d h e a lth problem s, it }| J A M E S M A Y R E P O R T I N G S E R V I C E ft r J 1 Q And i s i t su sp e c te d th a t th ey a re. 2 produced a s a byproduct o f some p ro ce ss a t the N itr o P lan t? 3 A We had a con cern th a t i t p o s s ib ly co u ld 4 he a product in one o f the s te p s o f the S u lfa sa n R p r o c e ss, 5 a manufactured rubberchem ical, and I think th atsas the 6 d e s ir e , to make su re we d id n 't have any q u a n tity o f th a t 7 product being a byproduct. 8 Q I gu ess i t ' s obvious why i t ' s in clu d ed 9 in the N itro H ealth Study Task Force? 10 A Y es. * 11 q Do youknow i f S u lfa sa n R was s t i l l 12 b ein g produced a t the tim e o f t h i s memo? 13 A Y es. 14 q And I assume i t s t i l l is ? 15 A Y es. 16 q On page 1 o f E x h ib it124 th e r e i s a 17 .paragraph ca p tio n ed "Access to M edical R ecords," i t ' s 18 th e l a s t paragraph on the p age, and i t rea d s; "There 19 has been no em ployee resp o n se to d a te a s a r e s u l t o f 20 the new r e g u la tio n s on a c c e s s to m ed ical and exposure 21 r e c o r d s." Do you know what th a t i s about? 22 A I d o n ' t know e x a c t l y what th a twas 23 a b o u t. I m ight c o n je c tu r e in r e t r o s p e c t b ecau se we know 24 we were in a p ro cess o f over a time to expand our data 25 base l i k e many companies w ere. Because we were d oin g th a t JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE %! 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 n 12 13 14 15 l 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 225 ` and c e r t a in r e g u la tio n s coming o u t in W ashington, we were w anting to make sure th a t we safegu ard ed th e p r iv a te i n f orna tio n o f our em ployees and our company but com plied w ith the law. Q O.K: I want to hand you w h at's been marked P la in t if f s * D ep o sitio n E x h ib it #125 (Monsanto i d e n t i f i c a t i o n number 8 3 2 4 3 7 3 ), and a sk you th a t you take a minute and look th a t over. MR. LOVE; S tu a r t , b e fo r e you b eg in on t h i s , I 'm goin g to o b je c t to the use o f th is document in q u estio n in g o f th is w itn ess because i t * s dated August 5th of 1981, which i s some f i v e months a f t e r the f i l i n g o f the i n i t i a l co m p la in t in th e se a c t io n s . And a s you and I have d is c u s s e d b e fo r e , we need to a r r iv e a t some s o r t o f a tim e frame we a r e d ea lin g w ith in th is c a se, and I 'm going to ob ject to i t for purposes o f the record. I f you want to pursue i t , go ahead and pursue i t , but we need to e s t a b l i s h t h a t . And i f we c a n ' t do i t on a v o lu n ta r y b a s is , I 'm going to ask the Court to do i t fo r u s. Q (By M r . C a lw e ll) Now, you 've had an opportunity to look a t that? A Yes. J. - * JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE 1 Q Could you identify that for the record, 2 please. 3 A I t ' s a memorandum from Dr, C layton 4 C a llis to m y self dated August 5 th , 1981, where he was * 5 a d v is in g me o f a p ro p o sa l to respond to a NI0SHv in q u ir y r' ,, r e la tiv e to the h ealth records, I assume, the h ealth 7 reco rd s o f em p loyees, a t some o f our p la n t s , one o f 8 w hich was a p la n t fo r w hich I was r e s p o n s ib le , 9 Q Would th a t in c lu d e the N itr o P lan t? 10 A Y es; U Q Were you r e s p o n s ib le fo r the apparent 12 p e n c il n o ta t io n on the upper r ig h t co rn er o f E x h ib it 125? 13 A Y es, s i r , I w as, 14 Q And why were you concerned about em 15 p lo y e e s f in d in g out th a t th ey may be in clu d ed in th a t l coh ort? 17 A I p e r s o n a lly th in k an em ployee should 18 knew when p eop le a r e lo o k in g a t h is work or reco rd s about 19 him or h is p erso n a l In form ation or h e a lt h . 20 Q Do you know i f em ployeeswere in f a c t 21 n o t if ie d ? 22 A I understand th a t the em p lo y ees, i t ' s 23 my r e c o l l e c t i o n from t h a t , th a t the em ployees were inform ed 24 o f what the NIOSH stu d y was about and t h a t th ey would be 25 in v o lv e d . I ' m n o t sure whether th ey were a d v ised JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE 1 in d iv id u a lly or a s a group th a t some or a l l would be, 2 Q A ll r i g h t . I want to hand you what*s 3 been marked P l a i n t i f f s * E x h ib it #126 (Monsanto i d e n t i f i 4 c a t io n number 8 3 2 4 3 8 9 ), 5 MR. LOVE; I would n o te the same ob je c tio n to P la in tiffs * D eposition E xhibit #126 7 as was noted w ith regard to P la in t if f s * Depo 8 sitio n E xhibit #125. 9 A I*ve read i t . 10 Q(By Mr. C a lw e ll) Could you i d e n t i f y 11 th a t fo r the r e c o r d , p le a s e , 12 A Y es. I t ' s a memorandum th a t was authored 13 by m y se lf to Dr. C layton C a l l i s and Mr. V ince M a tteu cci 14 on February 10, 1982, and i t was w ith r e fe r e n c e to the 15 a n t ic ip a t e d d is c lo s u r e o f the r e s u l t s o f Dr. Suskind*s 16 stu d y by Dr. S uskind. And in t h is memo I attem p ted to 17 s e t down some c o n d itio n s fo r com m unication th a t I thought A. 18 we sh ould a l l touch b ase on and sh ou ld be conformed to or 19 I sh ould be n o t i f i e d o th e r w is e . 20 Q In your mind did t h is Suskind stu d y 21 have some r e la t io n s h ip to the N itr o l i t i g a t i o n ? 22 A In ray mind, ray company was b ein g sued. 23 Some o f my em ployees and form er em ployees were b ein g swept 24 up in to a q u e stio n as t o t h e ir h e a lt h , e t c e t e r a , and 25 a n y th in g we m ight have a s in fo rm a tio n I thought needed JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE i 2 3 . . 4 5 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 i |j o b se r v a tio n and c o u n se lin g b efo re we communicated to em ployees otherw ise by c o u n se l, I think i t ' s j u s t good smart p r a c t ic e , e s p e c i a l l y in t h is day and tim e. Q You were the au th or o f t h is memo, r ig h t? - A Yes, I was. Q on page 2? Is that your signature that appears A Yes, s ir -- No, i t 's not. Q I t was sig n ed fo r you? A I looked a t i t a g a in . I t was sign ed fo r me. I t was sig n ed fo r me by my s e c r e ta r y . Q What i s your s e c r e t a r y 's name? A Mrs. E ic k o tts (p h o n e tic). Q a u th o r ity ? She sig n ed th a t, o f co u rse, w ith your A Yes, she did. I ' m sure I wrote th is memo b ecau se I was le a v in g town, 4r Q L e t me hand you w h a t's been marked P l a i n t i f f s 1 E x h ib it #127 (Monsanto i d e n t i f i c a t i o n number 8 3 2 H3 9 6 ) . MR. LOVE: Same o b je c tio n to t h is e x h ib it as to 126 and 125, Q (By Mr. C a lw e ll) Mr. B oesch, you have had an o p p o r tu n ity to examine E x h ib it 127, have you not? A Yes, I have. JAMES MAY REPO RTING SERVICE record. Q Would you please identify that for the A I t ' s a memorandum on in te r n a l Monsanto s t a t io n e r y authored by Dan R. B ish o p . I t went to a b ig l i s t o f a d d r e sse e s. I r e c e iv e d a carbon copy, and the s u b je c t o f the memo Is to su g g e st th a t Dr. Suskind was ready to p u b lish or r e v e a l h is work, and Mr, B ishop , who's a P.R . guy, was s u g g e s tin g how the in fo rm a tio n sh ou ld be p a ssed on or r e le a s e d , i Q A l l r i g h t . Thank you, Mr, Boesch. L et me a sk you t h i s , now, during th e p erio d o f tim e th a t you were on a t l e a s t the m a ilin g l i s t o f the N itro H ealth Study Task Force and whatever other r e la t io n s h ip you had w ith i t , did the su b je c t o f d io x in come up in co n n ectio n w ith th a t undertaking? A I'd lik e you to rep eat the q uestion because I was th in k in g in terms o f th a t and I thought your q u e stio n was in r e fe r e n c e to t h i s , MR. CALW2LL: Could you read th a t back, p le a se , (Whereupon the r e p o r te r read back the preceding q u estion .) A I d o n 't know how to s p e c i f i c a l l y answer your q u e s tio n . To say th a t s u b je c t never came up w o u ld n 't be a p p r o p r ia te f but w ith r e s p e c t to the u n d erta k in g , quote --* JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE t *4 1 2 *. 3 i^ 5 .6 7 8 9 10 n 12 13 u 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24. 25 Q (By Mr. C a lw e ll) W ell, w ith r e s p e c t to the Suskind study a t N itr o , fo r example. A I guess w ith r e fe r e n c e to some o f the c o n v e r s a tio n a s th e Suskind stu d y cam e o u t. Some re l a - - tionship there, yes. Q What would th a t d is c u s s io n have been? A To the e x t e n t th ere w a sn 't any lo n g - term h e a lth e f f e c t s due to exposure^ p o ssib le , exposure to dioxin in the p a st, b a s ic a lly Dr. Suskind's study did not r e v ea l any d iffe r e n t m o rta lity ra te or other h ea lth e f f e c t o th e r than ch lo ra cn e which i t was thought could be caused by d io x in , among o th er c h lo r in a te d p h e n o ls. Q Did you se e a copy o f Dr. S u sk in d 1s study? A I 'v e not seen a copy o f Dr. Suskind's study. i Q Have you seen any o th er s t u d ie s th a t Dr. Suskind may have done or performed on the N itr o workers? A No. I have had a p r e s e n ta tio n o f a summary a n a ly s is o f Dr. Suskind* s Study, but I have n o t read one. MR. CALWELL: O.K. Thank you, Mr. B oesch. ` 4 Lloyd J. Boesch || J A M E S M A Y R E P O R T I N G S E R V I C E 1 STATE OF-ILLINOIS ) \ SS COUNTY OF HAPIS ON ) I , M. JOY SFRIN<3ER, a N otary P u b lic , d u ly commissioned and q u a lifie d in and fo r the County of Madison, S ta te o f I l l i n o i s , do hereby c e r t if y th at pursuant t o n o t ic e came b efo re me on th e 2 1 s t day o f June, 1983, a t the Radisson H o te l, Pike Room, 9th S tr e e t and C onvention P la z a , S t . L o u is , Miss chiti , LLOYD J . BGESCH, who was by me d u ly sworn to t e s t i f y to th e tru th and nothing but the tru th o f h is knowledge touch ing and concerning the m atters in controversy, in th is c a se ; th a t he was thereupon c a r e f u lly examined upon oath , and h is exam in ation reduced to w r it in g under my su p er- v is io n ; that the d ep osition is a true record o f the testim ony given by the w itn ess; and sign atu re o f the w itness was h o t w aived. A I FURTHER CERTIFY th a t I am n eith e r, a tto r n e y nor cou n sel fo r nor r e la te d to nor employed by and of the p a rties to the a c tio n in which th is depo s i t i o n i s taken; and f u r th e r , th a t I am n o t a r e l a t i v e or employee o f any a tto r n e y or co u n sel employed by the p a r tie s h e r e to , or f in a n c ia lly in te r e ste d in the a c tio n . IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto s e t my JAMES MAY REPORTING SERVICE 37