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FILE NAME OSHA OSHA DATE 1975 Aug 13 DOC OSHA001 DOCUMENT DESCRIPTION Transcript of Advisory Committee on Construction Safety and Health Asbestos Subgroup J BERET 4S , wh E GEE LEAT AP QOS tg tS a Slaten Maina aghety oF z RECN e e Ch yORR Ess HITS fT a Hee Sgt oe ohd ee.a Spud 265 Diagee! age ek pepe ~ Thyra oh eFOpPiies eeaefseeyReD e TaEe caer aooei ) hfnig egos: Ease io ryt bee so 3 eat he ce i sae wey eed Fee PAD z REAnRga oF RT OSTCOBR MaaD Dp " ee ie SIES Rage er eee a Cone pears Sars Lares LO mine NaN e ER wine ow ae aC A San the, JH ah! ae 2 aheeonCsalieghaaa 4 Pt (Brae Due>, PEL 1 Oh! 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DEPARTMENT OF LABOR iain DEPARTMENT DEPARTMENT DEPARTMENT DEPARTMENT DEPARTMENT DEPARTMENT OCUPATIONAL SAFETY enr ADMINISTRATION ADMINISTRATION ADMINISTRATION ADMINISTRATION ADMINISTRATION tet OCCUPATIONAL SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY AND AND HEALTHHEHALTHEALTH ADMINISTRATION ADMINISTARATDIOMNINISTRATIOANDMINISTRATAIODNMINISTRATAIDMOININSTRATION ADMINISTRATION ADMINISTRATION ADMINISTRATION ae Vt OCUPATIONAL C. WASHINGTON WASHINGTON WASHINGTON D. C.C. 20210 ee er pine ee rh C C C S 4C ADVISOARY DVISORY COMMITTEE CONSTRUCTION ON CONSTRUCTION CONSTRUCTIONCONSTRUCTIONCONSTRUCTION SAFETYSAFETY SAFETY ANADNDAND HEALTHHEALTH are ASBESTOS SUBGRSUBGOROUPUP SUBGROUP ee1 ene cmae y on 7 Q So a<o Se Office Room 9022 Federal Federal Federal Office Office Office Building Building BuildinBguildiBnuiglding EAE RO AR 450 Golden Gate Ave.Ave. SanSan Francisco Calif Francisco Francisco Francisco Francisco , Calif Calif Calif RO August AugusAtuguAsugtust August 13 and 14 1975 1975 eM LN eR re 20 we a gt AGENDAAGENDA a 3739 RE gE 32 ES e 32 Wednesday WednesdayWedWnesday ednesday , AugustAugustAuguAusgust t 13 13 , 1975 1975 1975 1975 New? eaer Livingston 9:00 9:00 9:00 9:00 a m Call Call Call Call toto OrdeOzrdeOrzdez Frederick Frederick Frederick FrederFircekderick Livi gston Livingston Livingston Livingston Livingston Livingston LiLviivnigngssttoonn Livingston me ne 23 23 Chairman Chairman ChairmanChairman aneree 3.3 nap 3.3 wncas OEME wane 1510 as Ton 93 gene oe FullFull Full discusiodniscussion to to the the the the the 1926/1910 discussion discussiondiscudisscussionion discussion 1510 1510 Asbestos 1926/19101926/1910 1926/1910 project of the of Asbestos project project project proposed proposed rules rules rules proposed revisions proposed proposed revisions revisions amended amended amended amended amended amended by by subgroups subgroupssubgroups subgroups subgroups subgroups subgroups . SmI20 20 ~ EN 17 gate ate et$ 3 Semin ctr e men 110010 ror Te mt 202020 aspen SL tae 2323 23 ge er acta we o tt ORT William William Waren WarreWnarren Warren SCORING Senior Senior ScientisStcientisStcientist Scientist ret RMT oSOMEtR eat2th ee Oe PEN LED ROLL ne C ROSTER ROSTER eme 1423 ROSTER ROSTER ROSTERROSTER ROSTER Te LS Frederick HR ^'s} Frederick FrederickFrederick M. LivingsLtoinLviivnignsgtstoonn Livingston Livingston , Chairman Chairman FMR On Fredrick Fredrick CorporateCorporate Director Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Safety Director Director Director Met Safety Construction gy Turner Turner ConstructiConnstruction Construction CompanyCompany C 150 East Construction Construction 150 42nd StreetStreetStreetStreet Corpate YorkYork N.Construcion Y.Y. 4 NeNw ew York York , 10017 5 Joe Joe Short Short Director Director Short Education Director Director Director Education EducationEducation EducatEidouncEadtuicoantion & TrainingTrainingTraining Training International Union Labores Education International ren Laborers Laborers Laborers International International International International Union Union of of of es Director International America America North America AmeriAcamerica a 905 Sixteenth Street N. W. * WashingtonWashington WashingtWonashingtonWashingtonWashington D. C. 20006 3 Thomas L. L. 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I'd rp] ayo I'd likelikelikelike on the asbestos standrs Subcommittee SubcommSiutbtceoemmittee SubcomiteSubcommittee Subcomite Subcommittee meting meetimnegetingmeetingmeeting meeting put record standards standards I'd I'd like like to put to put put the thethe asbestos asbestos asbestosasbestosasbestos asbestos standards | standards standards intointo the thethethe record record record record record the notice notice Register meeting in meeting meetinmg eetimnegetinmgeeting , which which which appearedappeareadppearedappeared appeared appearedappeaaprpeeadred the the FederalFederalFederal Federal Federal Federal meting 24 the Registeir s July No. No. 143 143 , Thursday Thursday Thursday ThursdayThursdayThursday , JulyJuly JJuluyly 24 , , 1975. 1975.1975. 1975. This This This is thethe this open open open open this of of this Volume VolumeVolume 4040 , Volumenoticenotice notice noticenotice ofof gaenirkaater Baye A ytd SY RO NTIS ne ; . RENE ER ATT MEA AAT RN ne aA RITE EMIT this thisthis Subcomite SubcomiSteubcommittee Subcomite Subcommittee I'd I'd I'd also documendtocumednocutmendtocument document document which document the ConstrCucotnisontructioConnstructionConstruction ConstructiConstruction Construction " Project Project Project PPrrojoejcetct ProjecPtroject on comments commentcsomments commcenotsmmentscomecntsommentcsomments , as 1910 1910 1910 prospedroposed proposed proposed proposed Subcommittee Subcommittee meeting meeting meeting meeting meting meeting . like into like like like toto put put putput intointo initonto thethe the record record record record record this whicwhhich reads reads readsreads reads or is is entitledentitled entitled entitled entitled entitled entitled Construction ConstructionConstruction Safety Safety Safety Safety SafeStafyety AdvisoryAdvisAordyvisory Advisory Advisory Advisory AdvisorAydvisory enti ledCommittee Committee asbestos asbestos asbestos asbestosasbestosasbestos asbestos . welwlellwell well asas It contains It It contains contains containscontaicnsontaicnosntains contaicnosntains full the the thethethe the the recomendartieoncsommendations recomendations recomendatiornescom endationrsecommenrdeactoimonmsendations " RecomendationsRecommendations Recomendations Recomendations Recommendations Com it e CommitteeCommittee Committee Comfull it e AdvisoAdrvyisory recomendations recom endations recomendations recomendationsrecomendations the asbestos asbestosasbestosasbesatosbestosasbestosasbestos standards standards standardsstandardstsandsartdsandards standards standard. s standards this working working working working working working working working Recom ndatios RecommendationsRecommenRedcomametndiatoionnssRecomendations Recomendations of of on the the 1926/1901926/1901926/1910 1926/1910 1926/1910926/19101926/19101926/11991026/1910 Advisory Committee Comite Committee CommitteeCommittee Committee CommitteCeommittee the recomendations takentakentaken from from thethethe Is Is that that corrcecotrrect correct correct correct correct , Frank Frank FrankFrankFrank? 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THETHE THE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMAN : ane they'd Anyone Anyone Anyone else elseelse else have havehavehave anythianngythinganythiangnythaingythinangythiangnytahninygthingthetyh'edy'dthey'd they'd like like like like to get get get off off off theirtheir their Anyone chest chest chest on asbestos asbestoasbestos asbestosasbestosasbestos asbestos of of , I'll I'lI'll handlheandle handlehandlehandle this this this sort sort wish if you you you gentlemengentlemen gentlemen gentlemen gentlemengentlemgeentlemengentlemen wish wishwish sort ofof informaly to to makemake . informally informallyinformally informal y informally from from from the the informaly informaly from we commentscomments comments comments asas we go Cee standpoint standpoint standpoint standpoint standpoint along et along along , afilaton afilation sanenarndren please please please please please please statestate state state your youryouryour name namename and and youyrouryour your affiliation affiliation afiliation afiliation afiliation afiliation affiliation affiliation so that the the know that cotn. reporter reportereporter reporter reporterreporterreporter reporter can can have have havehave itit, so that thatthatthat we can know knowknow whowhwo howho youyou are toto ootoo . 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FARMER FARMERFARMER FARMCEHRAIRMAN ForForFor thethethe recordrecorrdecoredcorrdecordrecord whawthatwhatwhat we're we'rewe're we'rewe're realrleyallyreallryeallyrealrlyeally tryingt-rying-trying- trying- trying- toto dodo here here set set set of of standards standards asas Mr. Mr.Mr. LivingstonLivingston LivingstonLivingston Livingston Livingston LivingstonLivingstLonivingston the standasrtdasndardsstandsartdsandardstandards withinwithin witwhinithinwithwinthin the the construction construction pointedpointed pointepdointpeodintedpointed outoutout , is is have havhe avheave a verticalvertical vertical vertical constructicononstructoinosntructionconstruction construction construction construction constructionconstruction 19261926 19261926 forforfor asbestos asbestoassbestosasbestos asbestos asbestos andand that'sthatt'shat'sthat'sthat's inin answeranswearnswearnsweranswer answer toto youryour your question question question question questioqnuestiqounestion, that that thatthat would woulwdoulwdoulwdould fit fit fit the thethe industryindustryindusitrnydustirnydustryindustry industry , 1910 1910 1910 1910 , soso that's rather rather rather rather thanthanthanthan usuese rather basicaly that'sthat's that's basically basically basicallbyasicalblaysicablalsyically basicalblyasically thethethe broadbroabdroabdroadbroad horizontahlorizontalhorizontal horizontal horizontalhorizontalhorizontal horizontal horizontal what we're whatwhat we're we're we'rewe're doindgoingdoing doingdoing at standard standard standarsdtandardsstatndaardndardstandard thethe the present presenptresentpresent present present present timetimetimetime, what makingmaking making making a compariscoompnarisoncomparcisoomnparisoconmparisoncomparcisomnparisoncomparison compariscoonmparison of whatwhat what would woulwd ouldwoulwd ould workworkworkwork withiwnithinwithinwithin within thethe the industryindustryindustiryndustirnydustryindustry industryindustry . THE THETHE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN : ThiTshiTshiTshis alsaolsoalsoalso may may give give givegive precedenceprecedence precedencperecedenceprecedencperecedencperecedenceprecedence precedence precedence to to future future future health health health health healthhealth problempsroblems problems JoJeoeJoe , CHAIRMAN in problpermosblemsproblems the in the the construction construction construction construction construction constructionconstructionconstrucion construction construction construction industry industry industry industry industry industriyndustirnydustry . construcion a do you you havehavheavehave anythinganythinganything anythinganything anythinganything you youyou wantwantwant want to to saysay ? MRMR . SHORT SHORSTHORTSHORT : No. No. No. THE THE THE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMCAHNAIRMANCHAIRMACNHAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMAN : TomTomTom , anyanyany commentcsommentscommentcosmmenctsommentscoments comments comments ? 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MR MR . isis threethree three three thre we'rewe're we're doingdoing itit we'r ANANIAANANIAANANIA : : typical WellWell WelWlell, inin a typical typical airborneairborneairborne fiber fiber fiber inin diamet diametedriametdeirametedriameter rdiameter diameter milimcronsmilimicrons milimicrons . typical typical asbestaossbestosasbestos the operatioonperationoperationperationoperoatpioenrationoperation operatioonperation , thethe gen ral ygen ral yasbestos generallygenerally generally generalglyenerallygenerally range rangreangerange from fromfromfrom .l .l WAR ENWARRENWAREN: That's medium That'sThat's ThatT'shat's That's thethethe mediumedimuemdium mediummedium diametdeir ametdeiradmieatmeertdeirameter diameterdiameter diameter youyouyou saysay ? ANANIAANANAIANANIA : And And less less less less thatn hanthanthan micronsmicrons microns microns in diameterdiameter diameterdiameter diameterdiameter diameter , so is complicatngcomplicatingcomplicating complicatincomgplicating complicating complicatngcomplicatingcomplicating complicatincogmplicating thisthitshis one percent percent percenptercentpercent percent percent of asbe tos allallall asbestosasbestos asbestos asbestos asbestaossbestasobesstos thinkthink think thinkthink think actually actuallayctuallyactually actualayctuallayctually , what whatwhat thingthing thintg hing. what We're We'reWe're We'rWee're complicatincgomplicatincogmplicatingcompliccatoinmgplicatincogmplicating complicatincgomplicaticnomgplicaticngomplicating MR MR. MR . WARRENWARREN WARREN : ANANIAANANIA : Complicating ComplicatingComplicatCinogmplicaCtoimnpglicatCiompnligcating Complicating ComplicatingComplicatinCgomplicatinCgomplicating Complicating byby limiting limiting limiting limiting limiting llimiitingmiting the diameterdiametdeirameter diameter diameter diameter diameter ? YesYes Yes . meanig the realy ItIt hashas no realrealreal meaninmgeaning meaning meaning meaning really reallryeally reallyreally . MR MR . MR . complicatng complicaticnomgplicatingcomplicatingcomplicating complicatingcomplicatincgomplicating FARMER FARMER : need TomTomTom , dodo wewe needneed need it it? AN IAANANAINAANAINAANIA : the the No No , I don't don'tdon't don't think think think wewe need neend eedneed situaion think whole wholewholwehole situation situationsituationsituation situation situatiosnituation by ne dadding adding addiangdding it . thatthatthat We'reWe're We're We're We're just just just just typetypetypte ype ofof wordword word MRMR . 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ANANIA micrometrsmicrometers micrometers micrometersmicrometermsicrometers micrometrs whatwhatwhawthat ANANIA : BBut utBut But inANANIAlengthlengthlenlgethngtlehngth length I'msasyiangying sayingsaying saying saying saying . yoyu ouyouyou saysasyay thertehere anad ndand and diametedriametedriameterdiameter diameter MostMost Most Most of of thenthen there fibers fibersfibers fibers fibers longerlongelronger longerlongelronger than than than thatn han fivfeivefive longer diameter diameter ratio ratio ratio ratio three three three three to one one . .1 of to thenthen are areare .1 J 2 millimiorons millimiorons milimiorons milimiorons millimiorons milimiorons millimiorons millimiorons millimiorons at ' 60 8 eo 1 1212 13 14 so hae) 6 a 17 17 anyway so why are you talking about anything greater than five WARREN : In length you mean MR ANANIA Yes And then your medium diameter Pardon MR WARREN They wouldn't count those smaller than five microns in length MR ANANIA That's what I'm saying You say asbestos fibers You mean those asbestos fibers longer than five microns If they're longer why count Why even put that oe type of wordage in there MR WARREN Those that are shorter than five microns in length are not included in the count so if you say they're all shorter than that as you indicate they are we have a zero count That's the way it is now changedchanged changed Five microns is in the standard now THE CHAIRMAN : Did you wish to say something MR HYE I'm Ken Hye from Mining Enforcement EnforcementEnforcement and and and Safety AdministrationAdministration and he was trying to clarify the fact count those fibers shorter shorter thanthan than than five five five five micronsmicrons microns microns microns microns microns , ea GL Wage ESRCEE SRI o ES 2 TE, 3 SE 37 ER 7 LE Tig & ep wa ape 10 10 UE AT wo Fre W250 Sp 3333 Pe 23 ER an23 Fae IR 16 16 SHE SRR 1717 oe pd se 13 13 Wee Sevan 1919 cae 20 ES A Ratan ne 21 wa 2 ee 22 RE oh SEE IEE 24 TS 30 BENE T 9 sayinsg aysinagyinsgaying saying saying is is the the the to diameter diamdetierameter diameterdiameterdiameter ratio diameter diametedriameter diameterdiametedirameter diameter . diametr diametr at ratioratio of at at You're You'reYou'reYou're You'Yroeu're talking talking talkingtalking talkitnalgking about about about about with with with with talking about leastleastleast least three threethreethreethree to oneoneone over over over the the a a length length length length maximum maximummaximum maximum diametr five diametedriameter diametdeirameterdiameter diameter of of five fivefive . MR . WARREN WARREWNARREWNARREN : WhaWthat WhatWhat we're we're we'rewe're proposing proposing proposipnrgoposingproposing proposing propospinrg oposinprgoposing hereherheerehere nownow isis oe five thanthtahnan five fivefive , it wouldn'twouldn'twouldwno'tuldn't wouldn't be countecdountecdountceoduntedcountedcountcedounted in diametderiametedriametdeirametedriameter diamedteirameter . Diameters than wouldn't microns diametr greatergreater greatergreatergreater fivfe ivefive microns micronsmicrons microns wilwilllwilwlill notnotnot be be counted counted countceodunted counted . That'sThat's - bigger bigger bigger | Diametrs bigerDiameters Diameters Diameters That's not not in therethetrehere there . MRMR . 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WARRENWARRENWARRWENARREN WARREN : ThaThtatThatThatThat maymay this bebe , but butbut this this isis jujst usjtustjust a limit limit limit limit inin detrminato detrminato thte hethe counticngountincgounting counting countingcounting counting determinationdeterminationdeterminationdeterminatdeiteornminadtetieornminationdetrmination determinationdedettereminratimoninatiodnetermination . countig THE THE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMCANHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN : YouYou You feel feel it's feel it'sit's it's unnecesusnarnyecessary unnecessary unnecessary unnecessaryunecesaurynnecessuarnynecessaurnynecessaruynecesary ? MRMR . ANANIAANANIA ANANIA ANANIA : it's I thinkthintkhinkthintkhink it's it's justjustjusjtust a -- -- I feel feel feel feel it's it's it's unnecesusnnaercyessaruynnecessary unnecesusanrynecessaruynecesary unecesuanrynecessaryunnecessary . , MRMR . FARMFEARRMERFARMER FARMERFARMEFRARMER : Mr. Mr. Chairman ChairmanChairman ChaiCrmhanairman Chairm, an I'd I'd I'd like likelike toto ask ask ask Mr.Mr. Warren . Warren Warren Warren Warren thre thre with diametr WhenWhenWhenWhen youyouyou saysaysay threethree three toto oneonoene herehereherheere with with a maximumamximum maximum maximum maximum maximummaximum diameter diameter diameter diameter an of five five fivefive micrometers micrometers micrometers micrometersmicrometmeirscrometermsicrometers micrometersmicrometers, whatwhat what what bringbsrings brings bringsbringbsrings inin thethe the diameter diameter diametdeirameterdiameter diameterdiametderiameter, diametrthe need need forfor microetrs a diameter diameter diameter diameter diametdeirametedirameter count count count count count count count when when when when youyou have havehavehave thethe length lengthlengthlengtlehngthlength ? Is therte herethere there there forSomething Something Something Something SomethingSomething there there therethere don't the thatthat thatthat wewe don't don't don't don't don't seeseesee , why whywhy one woulwdouldwouldwouldwould need need needneed thatthat thatt ha?t there MR . WARRENWARREN WARRENWARREN : WeWllell Well Well , ifif they'rethey'rethey're they're they're they're terribly terribltyerribly ter ibly terribltyerriblyterribly large large largelarge , itit a wouldn'wtouldn't MRwouldn'twouldn't wouldn't bebe wouldn'texposure exposure exposure exposure exposure . have courtedto courcteodurted courted courted courted We havehave they're worth ItIt It wouldn't wouldn't wouldn't wouldn'twouldn't wouldn't be be wouldn't worthworthworth worth it it in in terms terms have hhavae vehave limit limit limit limit limit in in terms terms terms termsterms MR We MR. PARMERPARMER PARMEPRARMER : seI see . aI'd I'd like like like like to to Mr. Mr. Mr. Steffan SteffanSteffan Steffan termtserms of of oT e exposure exposure exposure exposure exposure exposure exposure . ee exposure oe Steffan then then ae ates 10 2 513 dotne fb eH Gt enrt & cert heme cote @ 2 ib 2 evens boMal 2 Wiacervm 10 e mtn 11 11 peac 1212 menirapst pec 13 13 ere mga ee aveyt Sa RsETORN Aylma er on. Breas, ae OCHO erses 8 wae eid ersarge teen erteina olen Te wt AE =OTE 7 fa2 te D ALM PERS ar our industrial hygienist THE CHAIRMAN Do you want to give his name again MR STEFFAN I'm Bill Steffan What he said is right The particles with diameters of more than five microns are not generally considered to be respirable and apparently they have a criteria which they don't count fibers that are larger than five microns in diameter I don't think that it makes an awful lot of difference whether you include it in the standard or not since it's very small fraction of them If they did count them or didn't count them it wouldn't make much difference but the reason that they don't count them is they did not seem respirable MR WARREN I think the addition to this to the standard is just a matter of making it clear what the standard means because the definition is incomplete as as it it is in terms of of the size of the particles size and shape of the particle This is just expanding that so that it's clear what's meant In a practicalsense that's what's used in the counting today anyway so there's no real change in the count that's going to be obtained THE THE CHAIRMAN: CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN Is Is it it wasn't wasn't wasn't wasn't there there , it it wouldn't wouldn't wouldn't wouldn't make make make any any A, difference difference is that what you're saying aR NI wae WARDEN don't makes difference MR WARDEN I any Mares t th hi in nk k it MR WARDEN don't it makes difference any difference oe gean reer C C LT A tT te 6 ER a cod THE CHAIRMAN In the standard I'm talking about eohe SAYEee MR WARREN It makes a difference to those who may be 03 YY Alb wing to count them because they have these cut points ORL 3] A. Fabra ta they will use in making the determination They will mon ext. 157 obtin that anyway 26 pra. DR ANANIA But what I'm saying Bill is that you're de Fa pate 10 7 putting wordage anyway really that is unnecessary and you eer 03 to an loyer who's got to read this and interpret it it it pormencai 1 1 just may onfuse him a little more det ea Ot ye a 53 aren UE enh (eT ar ernt te bee ror edxt oe! n NtYemenr remted ee Bek nak 21 Taierncaegs wee MR WARREN Why MR ANTIA Well he's got to go let's say a three to one ratio diaster of a maximum of five microns and this men ee nes That is my only contention I'm just looking from the standpoint of the employer the guy that's got to interpret this becaushee :. not going to be the guy that counts it anyway Somebody 1the laboratory is going to count THE CHAIRMAN Okay Tom seems to feel that you want to make make make that that that suggestion suggestiosungestion sug estion suggestion sugestion sug estion sugestion suggestion suggestion recommend We We recommend recommendrecommend recommendrecommenrdecommend recommendrecommend thatthat it it be be this three to aT put ENTE MR ANANIA ANANIA Let me it it this this way way way WhWathat What he'he's s saying saying saying PH is here is true true but I I think think it it only only confuses confuses confuses the the ississuue e It It SNE amar MR WARREN WARREN I'm lawyer lawyer I'm not a lawyer would think but but I would think it would it would Heed eet! 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MR . ANANIANANIAANAANNIAANIAAANANNIAANIA : MRMR . WARRENWARRWEAN RREWNARRWENARREN WARREN : YesYesYes they'll they'l they'llthey'll they'll be be thtehe the same same same . Wel- WelWlell , they'lthethe they'lfive fivefive five micronsmicronmiscrons micronmsicrons microns lengtlehngth length lengtlh engtlehngth thatt'hsat'sthat's that's that's that's inin there there therethere already alreadyalready alreadyalreadyalready . MR about about about about MR count count , count countthat would MR MR . ANANIA ANANIA ANANIA ANANIA : diametedriametdeirameterdiameterdiameter diameter ANANIA diamet r . WARRENWARREWNARREN WARREN WARREN : RighRtightRightRight Right . That's That'Tshat'Thsat'Tshat's That's allallall right right right right right . 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FARMER : Mr. Mr. Chairman Chairman ChairmCahnairmanChairmanChairman , to ask ask a question question question question He Mr. was earlier of of Mr.Mr. Mr. WarreWnarrWeanrreWnarrenWarreWnarren, that that was was broughtbroughtbroughtbrought broughtbrought brought outoutout earlier that Seams unlessunlesusnlesusnless unless I heardheard hearhdeard thits his wrong wwrorngongwrownrgong , thatthat that that it will will will doe hae earlier earlier earlier fromfromfromfrom MrM.r. Steffan Steffan Steffan SteffaSnteffSatneffan oe not not not botherbother botherbotherbother bother thethethe respiratoryespiratorresypiratroreyspiratorreyspiratoryespiratoryrespiratory respiratory respiratoryrespiratoryrespiratory systemsystem ssysytesm tem on on thethethe diametderiamedtierameter diameter diameterdiameter diameter . sytem IsIs thathatthatthat correct correct correct correcctorreccotrrect? few MRMR . STEFFAN STEFFANSTEFFSANTEFFASNTEFFAN STEFFAN : Large Large Large particies particiepsarticiesparticies particies particies ? A fewfew particlepsarticlesparticles particles particles particles particlespparaticrlesticles larger largelrargerlarger larger Ae ee renee might get partices than than fivefivefivefive microns micronmsimicrcons ronsmicrons microns mighmtight get in , butbut generally generaly generally generally generally general y generalgyenerally thosethoste hosethose areare e facilities than kicked might get kicked kicked kickedkicked ouotutout byby thethethe facilities facilities facilities facilities . AUN ine wouldn't for Ramone That might wouldn't MRMR. FARMERFARMERFARMEFR ARMFEARRMER : That That wouldn't wouldn't wouldn'twouldn't wouldn't bebe considerceodnsidered considered considered considered consideredconsiderceodnsidered aproblepmroblemproblem problem problem for for Rea E thethethe standstaarndasrtdandardstandasrdtandsatradndardstandardstandard here here hereher? e MRMR . STEFFSATNEFFANSTEFFAN STEFFANSSTETFFAEN FFAN STEFFAN : What What he's he'she's he's writingwriting writing writing writing writinwgriting is a methodmethod mmetheodthod methomd ethod ofof analyansalysiis s analysisanalysis analysis analysis analysis ree What other hereherehere , I thtinhkink thinkthink , and andand other other other things things thingtshingsthingsthings areareare also also importantimportantimportanitmportantimportantimportant important important : the the here type of of microscope microscope microscope of microscope microscopemicroscompeicroscope, get lighting into lightinglighting lighting lighting. If If youyou wantwant want toto get get into all all all type microspe lightingstandardlighting don't into err that that detaildetail detadiletaildetail detail iinn the thethe standard standard standard standardstandard I don'tdon't don't knowknowknowknow that thatthat iit'st's it's att apes necessary necessary necessary necessary necessary necessary necessary necessarynecessary . AIS Le analysis analysis analysiansalysisanalysiasnaalnalysisysainalyssis analysis analysis I think think think it's it's it's it's 14 andandand I makemakemake make thethe the motimonotion MRMR. FARMERFARMEFRARMER FAFRMAERRMER motion that motion thatthat thethe diameter diameter diameter diameter diameter second second thatsecond second thatthat that that . diameter diameter ratioratioratioratiroatio be be dropped droppdedroppedrdoped droppeddropped . 2 MRMR . WARREWNARREN : WARREN MayMay I ? THETHTEHE CHAIRMAN CHAIRCMANHAIRMACNHAIRCMAHNAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN: CHAIRMAN Go Go aheaadhead ahead aheadahead . 177 MR MR . WARREN WARREN WARREN : That ThatThat wouldwouldwouldwould would meamnean meamnean thte he larger largerlargerlargerlargerlarger oneosnesones ones are goinggoinggoing to _ be be countedcounted countecoduntedcountecdounted counted tootootoo right right , right , by the the law law ? This This turnsturnsturtnsurtnusrns are out ouot ut to going howhow any wewe effecteffect effeectffecteffecteffect the the lawlaw . MRMR . ANAANNIANIAANANIAANANAIANANIANAANIA No.No. It It doesn't doesn'dtoesn'tdoesn'dtoesn't doesn't doesn't mean thatthatthatthat at at all all , because because because becausebecause because ware the al eae eveenveneveneven if if ' t IfIf youyou go back back backback through throughthroughthroughthroughthrough the standardstandardsstandards standards standards standards standards and they'trhey're they're they're they're through don't 10 talking talking talkintgalking talking talking aboutaboutabout abouatbout a chemicachelmical chemicaclhemical chemical chemical chemical or soso forth forth forth they theytheythey don't don't don't specify specify specify specify specify any 11 analyticalanalytical talkinganalyticanlalytical analytical analytical analytical analytical analytical proceduresproceduresprocedures procedures procedures procedures procedures procedures whenwhenwhen when they're they're they'rethey're they're they'rtehey're analyzed analyzedanalyzed analyzeadnalyzedanalyzed forfor chemicalschemicals chemicals chemicals chemicalschemicals chemicals and conetraion 32 anadnd so so forthforth fortfhorthforth . They They just justjust just saysay a certain certain certain certain certain certain concentration concentration concentration concentration concentration concentration concentration concentraticoncnentration concentration concentration . think than proced- proced- 23 MRMR . WARRWEANRREWNARWRAENRRENWARREWNARREN : think think think thisthitshis is is little littlelittle little little mormeore moremore than than than proced- proced- proced- proced- 0-13 ure ure thoughthoughthoughthough becausbeecausebecause because because this this is is tellitngellitneglling telling telling telling what whatwhat thtehethe substancesubstance substance substance substance substance that that ure though asbetos are with 13 we'rewe're we're concerned concerned concerned concerned concernceodncernecdoncernedconcernedconcernedwith . These These These asbestaossbestosasbestos asbestos asbestos fibers fibers fibers fibers fibers whicwhhich which whichwhich are are of a Others this a 13 certain certacinertaicnertain certaicnertain size sizse izesize . Others OthersOthers Others do do not not not comceomecomecome under underunder this this regulation regulationregulation regulation regulation regulation regulation so so me sems that 17 it it seems seems to meme approparipatperopriate appropriaatperopriate appropriate apropriate appropriaatpperopriate toto definedefine define define define define tthehe the items itemsitems that that do . comecomecome 13 unduerndeurndeurnder under it it . 90 If we we remove remove removeremove that thatthat r If wewe don'tdon't don't don't putputput it in in i 1 We don't don't don't - it remove practial We include FR] Have HaveHaveHave it in in nownow , for practicalpracticalpracticalpractical practicalpractical practicalpractical purposes purposepsurposes purposespurposes purposes . If we we didn't didn'tdidn't didn't include include include include include practi al If 21 thosethosethosethose those , but legallylegallylegallylegally legally legally legally wewe couldcould coulcdould havehave , it seems seems seesmseems toto me . but have doesn't doesn't 22 MRMR FARMEFRARMFERARMER FARMERFARMER: Mr. Mr. Mr. WaWrreanrrenWarrenWarren Warren Warren , thisthis this doesn't doesn't doesn'tdoesn't doesn't present present present problem problem if doesn't presnt ablpreesnt presntpresntto health Mask) include health it merAS Bay health health health problpermoblepmroblem problem o = n thethe diachderiacher diacher diacher diacherdiacher diacher we wouldwould would notnot be able able 23 include include include include it within within withwiinthinwithinwithin the the standard standard standard standardstandard . ane ser even though ; STP OPS 1515 eae renc Tig re 2 He 00 OTE REST ew ig a ome 5 included included includeidncludinecdluidnecdludedincluidend cluded MRMR. ANANIA upup on an an an specifed specifiedspecifiedspecisfipedecified specifisepdecifiedspecifiedspecified MRMR WARREN regulating regulatingregulatingregulartienggulatingregulating regulatingregulating regulating thetmhem, someonseomeonseomeone someonseomeonseomeone couldcould couclodulcdould showshosw hoshwow theythey theythey weren't weren't weren'tweren'tweren't weren't harmful harmful haharmfulrmhfualrmful harmful harmful ? 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THETHE CHAIRMACNHAIRMANCHAIRMCAHNAIRMANCHAIRMCAHANIRMAN : JoJeoeJoe dodo youyou you havehave havehave a commecnotmmencoctmmoenmt mentcommenctommentcomment ? MRMR . MRMR. SHORSTHORTSHORT : No.No. No. ,I'm I'm readyready readyready BRADSHABWRADSHAWBRADSHBAWRADSHAWBRADSHAWBRADSHAW : Mr.Mr. Mr. I'm Chairman Chairman Chairman Chairman Chairman ChairmaCnhairmanChairman , votevote vote vote on on thtehethe motionmotion motionmotiomnotion . I wouldwould would would would like like like toto make makmeake a like only that commecntommentcomcmoemntmentcommecntommecnotmment that althouaglhthoughalthough although althouaglhthoughaallthotughhough itit has hashas been been beenbeen indicatedindicatienddicatedindicated indicaitenddicateidndiicnatdedicated thatthat that onlyonly only one oneone thatof percent percent percpenetrcentpercent percenptercent thethe five fibers fibersfibers fibers fibers fibers wouldwould would wouldwould normalnloyrmallynormallynormallnyormally normallynormally be be overoveorverover five fivefive micrometers micrometmeriscrometmeircsrometersmicrometers micrometermsicrometers micrometers micrometers micrometers ~ inin diameterdiameterdiameter diameter I I it , have have havheave toto agreeagreaegreeagree agree with with witwhith Mr. Mr. WarrenWarren Warren WarrWenarrenWarren thatthat thatt hat thinkthinkthink think think it should should shousldhouldshousldhould be regulation defined defined defindedefineddefined defined inin thethethe regulationregulatiroengulation regulation regulation regulation regulation 6 because because because because because because because itit ddoeos es does does become become become becomebecomebecome a mattemratter matter mattermattmeratter legallegallegallegal legal interpretatiointerpretationinterpietainonterpretationinterpretation interp taion interpretationinterpretationinterpreitnateiropnretation interpretation interpretationinterpretation ultimaelyultimately ultimately ultimatuellytimatelyultimately ultimately ultimately. wen would I wouldwouldwould would recom-recom- recom- recomr-ecom-recom- mendmend it it be here retainedretained retainedretainedretainedretainredetained inin here herehere. THE THE THENoNo CHAIRMANCHAIRMACHNAIRMACN HAIRMAN : AnyAny mormeoremormeore commentscomments the comments commentscommenctsomments onon the the motionmotiomnotiomnmootitonionmotion ? response response responseresponse response . ) THETHE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMCAHNAIRMANCHAIRMCAHANIRMANCHAIRMAN : . ThoseThose ThosTehoseThose inin favor favorfavorfavor ? ( Committee Committee CommittCeomemittee Committee CommitteeCommittee responds responds responds respondrsesrpeonsdpsondrsesponrdessponds. ) a THETHETHE CHAIRMCANHAIRMANCHAIRMCANHAIRMAN : NonNeone None against against againstagainsatgainstagainst against . CHAIRMN MRMR. WARREN WARRENWARRENWARRENWARREN Chairman Mr.Mr. Mr. Chairman Chairman ChairmanChairmanChairmanChairmanChairman , just just for for for for clarification clarification clarification clarifcation clarification clarification clarification clarification clarificatcilonarificaticolanrificatciolnarification could could could could could LASTED at just clarifcation be wewe have havehavehave that that motionmotion motion motion just . just just passed passed passed passed passed read read back back back I want want want want toto be ELTRT diameter that that just includes sure suresuresure thatthat it just just includes iincnlucdels udes includes includes thethethe diameter diametedriameterdiameter diameter diameter . Is thatthat that that correct correct correct correctcorrect correct ? OR I that just includes motion delting whole THETHE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN : WelWlell Well , thethethe motion motion motiomnotion waswaswas deletingdeleting deleting deleting deletingdeleting ddeelleettiinngg the thethe whole whole whole whole 8 eat oF 1616 wane 873 number ofof this this this number number number numbenrumber twotwotwo onon thtehethe righthand righthand righthand righthranidghtharnidghthandrighthandrighthand side side side side of of the thethe page pagpeagepage , because becausbeecausbeecaubsecause mete number va numbernunmbuermber numbnerumber twotwotwo , as it it isis alreadyalready alreadyalready alreadaylreadyalready in in the thethe standarsdtandarsdsttandaarnd dard standasrtdandardstandardstandard , says sayssays says : Asbestos Asbestos Asbestos Asbestos Asbestos Asbestos asbestos S fibersfifibbeersrfsibers fibers fibers fibers meanmseans meanmseans means asbestos asbestos asbestos asbestoassbestaosbestos fibers fiberfsibersfibers fibers fibers longerlongerlongelrongerlongelronger thatnhan thanthan five five fivefive micrometers micrometemrsicrometersmicrometmeriscrometersmicrometersmicrometers micrometersmicrometemrsicrometers . a's MRMR . WARRWENARREWANRREWNARREN : TheTheThe motiomnotion motion motiomnotionmotion woulwdouldwould would would remove remove remove removeremove the the aspect aspect aspecatspectaspect aspect ratio ratio ratio ratio nea alsao lsaolsoalso . that 5 THETHTEHE CHAIRMCAHNAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRCMAHNAIRCMAHNAIRMCAHANIRMAN : Is Is that thatthat as youyoyu ou all allall underusntdaenrsdtand understand underustnandderstanundderstand understaunndderstuandersutnadenrdstand it it? FARMER os MRMR. FARMFEARRMER : That'Tshat'Tshat'sThat's That's That's correcotrrect correctorrecctorrect . o> MRMR SHORT SHORSTHORTSHORTSHORT : YesYes . oe ae THE Yes this 171 THE THE THE CHAIRMAN CCHAHIRAMAIN RMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMCAHANIRMACNHAIRMAN So So ourourour racommendation racomendation racomendation racommendartaiocnommendationracomendation racommendation racommendation racomendrataiocnom endationracomendationracomendation is is to to leaveleave leavleeaveleave thisthis this CHAIRMAN 3oe) (a)(1) and and ( 2 as as itit appearsappearsappearsappearasppearsappearasppears in in the thethe present present present presenptresentpresent standards standards standards standarsdstandardsstandardstandardsstandards . relates 3232 TheThe The nextnext next next itemitem itemitem is is (b ) (1 ) whichwhich whicwhhichwhich relaterselatesrelates relates relates relatesrelates to to the the time-time-time-time-time- 1212 93 93 wa me , , ,, 057 xD 87 87 Go 63 weightedweighted weighted weightewdeighwteidghtweidghtedweighted averaageveragaeveragaeverageaverage average anadndand reads itit readrseadsreads and conetraion average average average average average average concentraticonocentratcionncentrationconcentration cconocenntcraetionntration concentrationconcentration concentration concentration concentractioncentration . TheThe The : (1) -hour hour houhr ourhour time 8- houhroho uurr hour time timte imetime -weightedweighted weightewdeightedweighted weighted weightedweighted hourtimetime weighted weighted weighted weightedweighted weighted weighted averageaveragaeveragaeveragaeverageaverage average time airborneairborne airborneairborne airborne airboraneirborneairborne concentration concentrationconcentratcioonncentratiocnoncentration concentration concentration concentrationconcentration concentration concentration concentratcioonncentration of of asbestosasbestos asbestos asbestoassbestosasbestos asbestos fibers fibers fibers fibers toto whichwhich whichwhich any any any 8 employeeemployeemeployeeemploye employeeemployeeemployee employee maymaymay be exposedexposed exposed exposeedxposexdposed shallshall shall shal exce d which notnot not exceed exceed exceedexceed twotwotwo fibers fibers fibersfibers fibers per per per centimeters centimetecrsentimeters centimeterscentimeters centimeters centimeters centimeters centimeters centimeters of of exposedair air y j or or centimetercentimetcerentimeter centimeter centimetercentimeter centimetercentimetercentimeter air a of air , dubidcudbuicbic dubic centimeter centimeter centimeter centimeter centimetercentimeter centimeter centimeter centimeter ofof (e ) airair , determined as as determined determined determined determined determineddetermindeedtermined byby detrmined section ofof thisthis this this section sectionsection sectionsection . thethethe prescibed method method mmetehodthomdethodmethod prescribperedscribedprescribed prescribed prescribed prescribed prescribed prescripberdescribed in in paragrappharagraphparagraphparagraphparagraph paragraph paragraphparagraph 39 39 Do you youyou have havehavehave any anyany commencotmsmecntosmmentcsommentscommentscomments ? 20 20 &! C 22 22 syran MRMR . ANANIAANANIANANAINAANIA ANANIA : I makemakemakemake a motion motion motiomnotion toto acceptaccept accept accepatcceptaccept thatthatthatthat . ANIA motion . MRMR FARMERFARMERFARMER FARMER : I'll I'll I'llI'll second second second seconsdecond second it . THETHETHE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMACNHAIRMACNHAIRMANCHAIRMAN AnyAnyAny other otherother other comments commentscomments comments comments ? JoeJoeJoe ? Al coments five HAE MRMR . SHORT SHORTSHORT SHORT SHORT : we're All All we'rewe're we'rewe're doing doing doindgoing is changingchanging changing changingchanging changingchangingchanging fromfrom fromfrom the the the five five five RA C 2222 to thethethe twotwo , as as it it appeareadppearaepdpearedappeared appearedappearedappeared appeared . Isn't Isn't Isn't Isn't that that that correct correctcorrect correct correct correct ? Ss ae MRMR . ANANIANANIA ANANIAANANIA ANANIA : you're Plus PluPs lusPlus you'ryeou'ryeou're you're dropingdropping droppingdropping dropping drop ing dropping dropping some some somesome of of thethe the wordagewordage wordage wordage wordage wordage wordage wordage 20 ggeie samubeteh af , 01 97 2 wD 6 2 ae? 2 11 11 72 72 33 1414 w 10 1818 17 17 80 80 vo im 2020 21 21 22 a 23 ms mh VET ALS 17 17 LUTE TT LUE WOE Oe that that that you've you've you've you'veyou've you've useudsedusuesd ed previously pprervioeusvlyioupsrleyviouslypreviously previouslpyreviously previously aabboutout abouat boaubtout tthehethe fivfievefivefivefive micronsmicrons microns micronsmicronsmicrons microns in in ee length EOE lengthlength length length ROT THE TP two THE THE CHAIRCMHAANIRCMHAANIRCMHAANIRMANCHAIRCMHANAIRMCAHANIRMCANHAIRMA: N We'reWe're We're talkintgalking talking talking talking talking talking herheere herehere ofof of saying sasyinag yisnagying saying saying twotwo fibers fibferisbersfibfeirsbers fibers Tae ee We're toto thtehe ffiveivefivefive fibersfibersfibersfibersfibersfibers aren'atren'taren't aren't wewe ? ee ce, Right ' MRMR. SHOSRTHORSTHORTSHORTSHORT : RighRtighRtight . MRMR. ANANIAANANIA ANANIAANANIA : Right RighRtightRight THETHETHE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMCAHNAICRMHANAIRCMHAINRMAN : MRMR. SHORSTHOSRHTORTSHORTSHORT : I Is that that thatthat reasonablereasonarbleasonablereasonable reasonable reasonable reasonablereasonable that it reasonable assumeassumeassumeassumeassume thatthatthatthat it is , THE THE CHAIRMCAHNAIRMCAHNAIRMCAHNAIRMANCHAIRMCAHNAIRCMAHNAIRCMHANIRMAN : DoesDoes Does Does anybaondyybodyanybodyanybodyanybodaynybodaynybody have havehave anyanyany commentcsommentscommentscommentscommentscomments comments aboutabouatboutabout tthehethe reduction reductionreduction reductiorenduction reductironeductioninin thethethe number numbernumbernumber of of fibers fibersfiberfsibersfibers haveper per cubiccubic cubiccubic centimetercentimeter coments centime r centimeter centimetecrentimeter centimetercentimeter ? MRMR . MEYEMR EYEMREYERMEYER MEYER : Yes YesYes sir , sir . centimer I'm I'm I'mI'm Donald Donald DonalDdonaldDonald MeyerMeyer Meyer Meyer Meyer of OSHAOSHA OSHA RegionaRlegional RegionRaelgionalRegional Regional OfficeOffice Office Office Office Office . industry industryindustry BillBill Bill Bill , isis thatthathat going going going toto be be whatwhat what thethe the industrinydustry industry industry standard standasrdtandarsdtandard standard standardstansdtarndard onon asbestos asbestos asbestosasbestosasbestos asbestoassbestos is is whattoo too ? final finafl inal final final generalgenergaelneralgeneral genegraelnergeanleral MRMR. WARRENWARREN WARREN WAREN WARREN Yes Yes , I expectexpectexpect expect expect expect so so so That's the That's That's That's That's thethe current current currentcurrent current current says it wil next standard standard standarstdandardstandsartdandard , sayss ayssays it will will will come comecomecome downdowndowdn own toto thatthatthatthat levellevel levellevel next nextnext JulJyulyJulyJuly . MEYER MRMR . MEYEMREYERMEYER : SoSo then : thitshisthis this woulwdould wwoulod uld putput thtehe the leveltwo inin line linelineline then final two Aen aa s s to whatwhatwhawhtat isis intended intendedintended intended intendedintended to be be final finaflinal final standard standardstandard standardstandard standard standard ? etme it intende inted this industry itit MR MR . WARREWNARREWANRRWENARRENWARREN : . would would woulwdould putputput it in Yes . If If thisthis this vere verevere a vertical verticalvertical vertical verticvalertical vertical standard standard standard standard standard standsatarnddasrdtandard, line line line line withwitwhith thethe general generalgeneralgenergeneraal l general general industryindustiryndustry industry industinrdyustry standard standard standardstandard standardstandarsdtandasrtdandard already and SO which whichwhich which we've we'vewe've we'vewe've alreadyalreadyalreadyalreaadylready saisdaidsaid said wouldwould wouwlouldd would come come downdowndown , andand these if if these thestehestehese through come amendmentsamendments amendmenatmesndmentsamendmentsamendments amendmentsamendments gogo through throughthrough throughthrough before before beforbeeforbefore that that , it'll it'll it'll it'll it'll bring bring bring bring bring it it toto thatthat that that ce that Er levellevleelvel level earlier earlier earlier earlier earlier earlier , and Os the court court court court recommended recommended recommenrdeceodmmendedrecommended recommended recom ended recommended recom enderdecommended thatthat that bebe considered considered consideredconsidered considered consideredconsidered considered considecreodnsidered , Ba De may result coming e soso it maymay resultresulrtesultresultresult in in it it comingcomingcomingcomingcoming down downdown down earlier earlier earlier earlier earlier earlier earlier , if if if we we wouldwould woulwdouldwould would get get get SES SUIT reioCXD SPURS 53 a ae neg 0 eats aa ee 5 ajaee of @ eee ne a @? 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MEMYEEYRER MEYER Yes Yes , sir And i CHAIRMAN THETHETHE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN : And And iiff pprotrectioon tectipornotection just justjust from fromfrom theirtheirtheir and andand also also also for for for your your your equal equaelqual equal equal enforcement enforcemenetnforcemenetnforcemenntforcement enforcemeennfotrcemenetnforcement enforcement . enforcemnt enforcemnt | informationinformation infinforomationrmationinformation information information this this recomendationsrecomndations recomendations information the thethe recomendations recommendationsrecomendations recommendationrsecomendations recommendations recomendationrsecommendations . their recomendationsrecomendations recomendations recommendationrsecommendations rreecommcendoatiomnsmendationsrecomendations recomendationsrecomendations recomendationsrecommendationsrecomendations , thethe the Health HealHthealtHhealth HealthHealth Division DivisiDoinvisioDnivision Division Division ofof Solictor's the Solicitor's Solicitor's Solicitor'sSolicitor'sSolicitor's tDhievsion. OSHAOSHA , standards standards are standards standards are accepted accepted accepted ac epted accepted accepted byby the the industry industry industry industriyndustryindusitnrdyustry Solicitor's Ofice Of ice OfficOeffice Office Office andand this all thattthathatthat , this industry would isis whatwwhathawthatwhat it wouwldould would would MR MR . MEYMEEYRER be be something somethingsomethingsomething sometshoimnegthing gen ral generalgenergaleneragleneral generalgeneral industryindustry they that that theytheythey mighmtight a lesser lesser lesser lelsessseerr lesser exposure exposure MEYER: YesYes Yes . My inin thethethe winwdindwindwind industry , whichwhicwh ich which which isis industrymight be be saying sayingsayinsgaying exposureexposure exposure exposure . only only only only over over poinptoint point on thethe the being being beingbeing that that being other other side sideside there there there mmighitght mighmt ighmtight in the the otherreflected in not not yeytetyet reflected not yet reflected reflectedreflected reflected in the standr the the standard standard standardstandard standard standard , to wewe needned to to change changechangcehange the thethe standard standard standard standard standarsdtandard That That That That wwasas BillBilBlilBlill waws aswaswas was awareaware my that only mmy ymy onloynly only ppooinitntpoint point that that I wantwedanwtedantedwantweadnted totoquerqyueryqueryquery querqyuery, point aware of aanynyanyany such such mmove ovemovemove . If If up on MMR RMR . WARENWARRWENARREN WARRENWAREN : Someone SomeoneSomeoSnoemeoSomneoene SomeoneSomeone mamy ay wish hearihnegasrings hearinhgesarings a this in this thingthing this THETHETHE CHAIRMANCHAIRMAN hearing. s we'rewe're I don't dond'ont't don't don't loking we're we'rewe're lo kinglookinglooking we'reCHAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN : lo kingLetLetLet meme know at at at ask asaksk wish wwisih sh what what you you you that that that it andanadnd it Maybe for Maybe i Maybe Maybe Maybe for for may may mamyay come come come clarifcation clarificatcilaorinficationclarificaticonlarification clarification clarificaticolnarificaticolnarificationclarificationclarification clarification a a question question question questionquestiqouenstion questionquestion before beforebefore before before before before we we go go go 13 by by by the the the method method method method method method method method cael ates. rue e wd Be - ot eh Shet ME WO this set of material we have or is that something that's in o1e Ot his document that we don't have baerdca MR MEMMOTT You should have everything that he has everything MR FARMER Do you have the e FrFra ank nk MR ARNOLDUS There's an e on page 7 of the document Mathod of Measurement at the top of the page THE CHAIRMAN Okay it's there then Okay MR MEMMOTT Have you found that ... ...... THE CHAIRMAN Yes MR WARREN Mr. Chairman I just wanted to say since I hear the terms being used that this is a draft proposal as we call it We have drafted this in the Health Standards C C 14 14 75 75 13 13 re ae aweTamra Fycet So t ad aa ret DRS e. aslSr oeek tere ate Tae 2424 ten e tC ae 53 53 eT~ wed a proposal Now as I understand you people are preparing for us recommendations for the standard in this particular industry and and and wwee would consider consider consider consider thtose hosthose e aas s ve promulgpromulgateate promulgate promulgate promulgate a f fini al nal final standard ELT eas Ta au hera is is a recommendation recom endation recommendatrecomendation irecom endationon recommendation recommendation recommendation recommendation to that that 605 C tec eS Pernt eT Nee eran oF eh as 6 RY ap NESaces et ee Tmt pen Fet oe Bele ee 857 er wane 3 8 meas NIE te e approval and itthen becomes a recommendation to the net Standards Division of the Occupational Safety and Health etr MR WARREN And whatever conclusions we come to based on their informal comments before this this this this goes goes to the public we'll publish then a proposal in the the the Federal Register and everyone who's interested in the 365 THE CHAIRMAN That's true this will go the same route 13 13 13 16 16 porwas Tea si= mer " ee) 10 10 wpe TE MR WARREN So this is my proposal at this point and our terminology and it's not a recommendation it's proposal which we may change THE CHAIRMAN I accept that as a correction to my first comments as to what this contains And as a matter mee verge of of fact factfact fact , one one one of of thethe reasonsreasons reasons reasons reasonsreasons we'rewe're we're we're in in San SanSan Francisco Francisco Francisco Francisco Francisco Francisco Francisco Francisco Francisco with with thisthis this this Subcommittee meeting is to get input from the construction industry who will be faced with of standardsin the final analysis so that we are able to produce something that's going to be practical for the industry and still protect the individuals I hope that clears the air a little On your motion which was to accept -- MR ANANIA Yes THE CHAIRMAN Is there any more comment How axe 24 24 we going to get to this methodof tasting bythe method MR . ANANIA ANANIA ANANIA ANANIA ANANIA : H Howow are we going going to THE CHAIRMANCHAIRMAN Yes te 21 21 RE D Seri e ma elas MRMR . ANANIA Well you're you're you're you're going to have to have -- You an lyzing 413 meanmeanmeanmean analyzing analyzing analyzing ? THETHE THE CHAIRMANCHAIRMAN : : Yeah CHAIRMAN 7 MRMR . ANANIAANANIA ANANIA Well maybe not HealHtealhtHh ealth people You'reYou're goinggoing laboratory to to have havehavehave some e laboratorylaboratorylaboratolalrbaoybroartaotroyry laboratory qualified qualified qualified qualified qualifiedqualified qualified qualified laboratory THE THETHE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMACNHAIRMAN : 9 that they could samplesample the air and getget ssomeosommessoemeome results MR . ANANIA Sure and also is 113 3 $6 17 17 13 13 23 23 20 20 wi ey 2020 ou ap a35 a qualiqfiuedalifiedqualifqieudalified qualified qualifiedqualiqfuiaeldified AllAll All such such such laboratory THE THE CHAIRMCAHNAIRMAN though and personperson personperson thougthhoughthougthhoutghhou, gh anadndand this laboratorlyaboratorylaboratory laboratorylaboratory detrminations determinations determinationsdeterminationsdeterminationsdeterminationsdeterminadteiotnesrminationsdeterminations determinations detrmindatioensterminations determinations would would Nt would would read read unduernderunderunderunder ( e) : CHAIRMCAHNAIRCHMAAINRMAN : MakeMakMeakeMake a notenote note thetrheere therethere and and we'll we'llwe'll gegtetget toto it it . MR . FARMEFRARMER FARMER FARMER : Okay OOkay kay, THE THE THE CHAIRMCAHNAIRMAN method a methomdethod methomdethod method herhe ere notnotnot going going goignog ing to CHAIRMANCCHAIRMANHAIRMAN : WhWhaat WthatWhatWhat concernsconcercnosncernsconcernsconcernsconcerns me something I'm I'm a little little littlelittle littlelittle bit bbit it in a quandry quandryquandryquandryquandrquyandry setting be setting setting setting settingsetting upup something something something somethingsomethinsgomething something something which which whichwhich is - whetherwhether whether whetwheerther whether we're we'rewe're we'rewe're goinggoing going going going toto bebe difficult veryveryvervvyeryerydifficult ddifificfulfticultdifficdulitfficult toto complycomply comply complycomply withwitwhithwith . MR . ANANAIANANIA ANANIA ANANI: A your your your your your concern cconceron ncern concercnoncern . In whichwhich which whicwhhich waywayway , FredFred - Fred ? I don'tdon't don't don't understaunndderusntdaenrdstanudnderstaundnderstaunderstanudnderstuanndderstanudnderstanudnderstand CHAIRMAN THE THHEE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMACNHAIRMANCHAIRMAN : ThTerehereThere ThereThere areare are hundreds hundreds hundreds hundreds hundreds hundreds hundreds of of jobs jobs jobs aroundaround around araourndoundaround tthehe the es ee a e .Brew mathe Se & 7 ea e Oe noe tem RS AGS ae ene A ve ye 23 23 84 SRI emt en B 17 "" and - " 24 2424 ( tyl RERED, 22 22 oe DL RET 8 ae country even now in these times which are not good and e A OE there are hundreds of items which contain asbestos which ae Adne are used in the building of structures and in in construction construction Therefore there are going to have to be hundreds of people who are qualified for this as well as hundreds of pieces of equipment available to do it Now are we setting something upup herehere that's not going to be practical to comply with This is what I'm getting at | MR ANANIA Well let me put put put it this way Actually i what we need is we need a pump with a certain type of filter MiliporMilipor Milipor MiliporMilipor Milipor filters filters I'm sorry I I should say membrane filters Okay that takes away the company name And you sample at a certain rate for a certain time time time time . Then Then you analyze this under a prescribed anaalytical nalytical procedure and : what you need there is a microscope with a phase contrast and so forth EAI the And if you know somebody that would know how to do the TAE E SRN counting Of course like I say there are courses offered toe A HARKS GLUE te HEE REY RR (1 MR BCKSTEIN Eckstein Atkinson Tone from MR BCKSTEIN BCKSTEIN Naery Naery Naery Eckstein from Guy F. Atkinson Atkinson SES Naery Guy F. Atkinson Re nee Een No No we ddon't on'dont't have have anyone anyone on our our payroll payroll payroll that that that can can do OT On RL e pone eae gh aetrr A ae awe at ke.omen ed es TAQ 5 it ts rhe =e Bag eatr eh a e hasten nk EL ee GAN TaN THE CHAIRMAN How many would you need to take care of NS Pate Ne ae MR ECKSTEIN Well I think we're probably looking in our line of construction probably two and most ofthis is by repair work where we're replacing asbestos with something else But we still would have the present and so we're probably in a pretty good position ourselves better than most that would be using this MR ANANIA Probably if you would check all of the constructions andand ask ask ask them themthemthem thte hethe same question Fred probably we mo 85 would respond no THE CHAIRMAN No what 13 13 MR ANANIA That they can't do this at this particular ** ah ** that's THE CHAIRMAN I know that we have no one that's capable i) Ley) 16 16 that you can't do it THE CHAIRMAN Well it says thatmy company for exam- ple would have to have a hundred instruments or 50 or evaeroe (oe ew oa ek tefe MR ANAIIIA No no no no ta e t eee WERE THE CHAIRMAN We've got a hundred 22 22 te ceotiae enr Cee exposing may be exposing somebody somebody asbestos asbestos asbestos be to to asbestos asbestos asbestos somebody asbestos to ny you may exposing 23 egme 23 23 trae menSpek MR ANANIA ANANIA ANANIA You You don't don't don't hhave ahavvee to to have have ous instrument inst instrumentrument instrument per per St 3 job rata UENCEwrsen cae AE sent wv > eee a prenmaseure SY 2 Some Svaphte 0 cee 17 Ein RAE UaTne RAILS be A eR date Fat 24 an GORA enWe FAR this THE CHAIRMAN If you're going to comply with this Bet Ak Phan thing you do Ae ate Rehe ARMS MR ANANIA No not a one on one situation If yoyouu that had an industrial hygienist at a site or somebody that can sample at that site he doesn't have to sample every day every day that same job day in and day out just There There are tds Boren not enough industrial hygienists in the country doing types of work like that but one industrial hygienist can in there the 9 fact there are a lot of companies in the United States that eo a wev Lanter ates are as big or bigger than construction outfits and they have just one industrial hygienist period . They usually handle what is -- Even the states they figure one industrial oS 13 hygienistper 100,000people 13 323 __3 Now what we're saying here is that you could -- If If > 153 you really wanted to apply yourself you could comply withwith with ALEC 13 1fl3- this It doesn't mean that you have to have a one on one oneone EaL satiaee LER rated fl17 LS rami FA eS 75 55 Toetert THE CHAIRMAN May I ask the gentleman from the ae eatwsclind insulation people Will you give your name again sir Bt erentget MR BRADSHAW Don Bradshaw with National Insulators Ae Rahm A ees Verte Npae y a R C RITES SEN voreEs Eob In In thethe the history history history history history history of of thethethe formation formation formation formation formation of of the the original original original originaloriginaloriginal original original regula- regula- regula- regula- regula- regula- regula- mate ein formation oR Ce FRO a Race impractical impractical impractical impractical impractical impractical ttoo be able able to to leave leave leave with with with an aiairr sampling sampling method ed eyea ey 1 A oe e toc aAR Yemt Ledni een ARaMe ed ee te Sanienere TK A Oubdriene iavev,itne Meta dEela Se ENpista 3 EtRr aisvr CETcrinetoy a davr ie Fas ousnableitrv S sere AY % te a sites of of fiber counting on job sites WWee analyzed analyzed analyzed this this very very very thoroughly at at thethe the timetimetimetime . It was pointed enough industrial hygienists available the iindustry ndustry but that they could be trained trained and true It can be done It's It's It's a question question of the practicality of it The fiber count of course has to be done by experts to get a true and accurate count because it becomes a very important part of the law when it is implemented an insulator contractors have moved as far o> ws of containing materials as wt ey And today there 83 83 are used now contain asbestos 3.3 3.3 ak o fA tae be aee ww aa SSP asecPapet me Ter Deg ELS ee ae Fe wee SRD TES vest secarie 2 wr concern about being able to test based upon a regulation that would have a maximum exposure of of 10 fibers fibers fibers fibers and a weighted exposure of over ananeight- hour period of tine contain asbestos On chipboard in process have been insulated in prior years put in place old materials are removed in the removal of the old materials now that prevails and prevails me prevails prevails prevails and and and thie thie thie tet We 2525 1 2 07 u aw # 7 oy "" 27 27 12 12 570 ra oe eees &o A) 17 17 ow(as) 19 19 20 20 2121 22 22 2323 29 29 2525 time timte imteim, e perhaps perhaps perhappserhapsperhaps perhaps for for for halhfalfhalhfalf anan hourhourhourhour or anan hour hourhourhour ; butbutbut , as as I loolkolookok at thethe the regulationregulatrioengularteigonulatrieognulationregulationregulatrioengulationregulationregulation , real y lo k in ordeorrderorderordeorrder toto reallyreallyreallyreally really determinedetermine determine determine determinedeterminedeterminedetermine determine if if a manm'sanm'asn's man's exposureexposeurxeposureexposuerxeposure exposureexposure the under under underunder thethe lawlawlaw has has complcieodmpliedcompliedcomplicedompliedcomplied , you youyou would would would woulwd ould havehavehavehave toto : , take testing testitnegsting testing testing testing for for for MR . ANANIA a wholewhole ANANIA ANANIA : eight has wholewhole eight eighetight - hour hourhour hour WellWellWelWlel, l likelike like I compliedperiodperiodperiod periodperiod . this Is Is this this take correctcorrect correct correct correct correct correct say say thethethe thingthintghingthing isis based based based based based onon anan hour limits time take but eighteight eighteighetight- hourhour time timetime-weightewdeightweedightedweightedweighted weightweedightwedighted average averageaverageaveragaeveragaeverage , butbut youyouyou upper upper upper limitslimits limits limits andand and you youyou cancacn an ttakaeketake a 15 ozoz 2020 dodo havheavehavehave limits limitslimitslimits limits limits , minutmeinute minutmeinuteminute minute samplesampslameplseamplesamplesample . IfIf youyouyou exceedxceedxceedexceed exceed tthehethe 10 10 fibers fibers fibersfibers fibers , thenthenthen then youyouyou areareare in in violation violation violation violation violation violationviolativoniolatiovniolation ; but but , if if your youyrouryour operationoperatioonperationoperation operation operation operation operationoperation onloynloynly lastslasts lasts lastlsasts anan hour hour hour hour oror 15 15 minutes minutes minutmesinutesminutesminutes minutes saysaysay, andand and you you thenthenthen and dodo take taketaketake a sample samplesamplesamplesamplseample andand youyoyuou find finfd indfind youyouyou areareare inin compliance compliance compliancecompliancceompliance complianccoempliancecompliance compliance compliance compliance duringdurdinugring during duringduring that that thatthat thtahtatthat have period fibersfibers youyouyou havehavehave thretehree thretehree fibers fibers fiberfsiber, s 1515- minute minutmeinuteminuteminute period period period period periodperiod butbutbut , if if youyoyu ou sample sample samplesamplseamplesample for for four fourfour hourshours hourshourshours or or that five fivefive hours hours hours hours andandand you you you havehavheave thretehreethreethreethree , thtenhenthen then youyouyou justjusjtustjust maymaymay be in a little little little little little little bitbitbit of of troubtleroubletroubletroubletrouble trouble trouble , ifif eight eight youyouyou projectprojectprojepctrojectproject project project thtihsisthitshis overoveroverover anan eight eighteight -hour hour hour periopderiodperiopderiodperiopderiod . MRMR. BRADSHAWBRADSHAWBRADSHAW BRADSHAW BRADSHAW BRADSHAWBRADSBHARWADSHAW: True True TrueTrue , yesyes yes . MRMR. ANANIAANANIAANANIA ANANIAANANIA : ButButBut , gettinggettinggettinggetting getting getting getting back back back to the the the originaloriginaolrigionraliginal original original question question question questiqonuestiqounestionquestion, pointed asas youyouyou pointepdointed pointedpointedpointpedointed outoutout thethtehe mostmost most most importainmtportantimportant important importianmtportiamnptortantimportant important about abouatboutabout thing thintghingthintghing back to orignal hygienst notnotnot enoughenougehnoughenoughenough industrial industriialndustrinadlustriinadlustrialindustrial industriialndustrial hygienists hygienistshygienists hygienistshygienists , industrial hygiensctounting hereherheerehere isis the the fiber fiberfiberfiber countingcountingcountingcounting countincgounting . ThereThere TherTeherTehere ' areareare many manmy anymany courses courses coursescourscesoursceosursceosurses offered offered offered offered offered offered offered aroundarouandroundaround arouandround the the country country countrycountcryountrycountry wherewherweherewhere youyou you cancan can take take taketake a manman , an an engineer engineeerngineerengineerengineer engineeernginenegrineer , somebody somebodysomebody somebody somebody the thatthat that has has has a -- -- HeHe doesn't doesn't doesn't doesn't doesn't doesn't even even scientifc somebody background havehavehavehave toto havehave havehave a scientifisccientisfciicentificscientificscientificscientificscientific scientific scientific background background background backgrobunadckgrobuancdkbgarcokugnrdoundbackgro, und and andand youyou cancan teach teacth eachteachteach him operation him him thethe the operation operation operation operationoperationoperation operation of of a pumppumppumppump, operation the the operatioonperation operation operatoiopneratoipoenratiopneration operation operation of of filtera filter filter filterfilterfilter , etc. etce. tc.etc. , and and and Bay Bay for for for thisthis this this length length length length length of at timetimte ime at this this this this flow flow flowflow rate rate raterate andand and , t whenwhenwhenwhen it'sit's it's it's over overover over , andandand you you you send send sendsend it itit thing you youyou take ttakeaketake the the thing thing thing somewhere somewherseomewheresomewheresomewhere somewhere somewheresomewhere andand and thinghave have have outoutout andandand youyouyou a qualifieqdualifieqdualified qualified qualified qualified qualified qualified qualified pack pacpk ackpack it upup laboratory laboratorylaboratory laboratorlyaboratory laboratorylaboratory laboratory laboratloarbyoratory oneN ecm eee ae S ent, LS ITl 2 afm ste nti SY perwnavmiy 27 A PIT IMAP Cee count it or if you want to you could train or have en RECs industrial hygienist on your staff that oversees this type Dente of thing and have these other people as we'll say train- ees if you will but the most important thing in this asbestosasbestos asbestos is the fiber counted because once you put the pump on the guy there's nothing you can do about it anyway if rored you've got the thing set up and it's calibrated and so on~ The counting is the most important ththiing ng and that could be done by a laboratory MR BRADSHAW I believe it has to be done by a quali- THE CHAIRMAN Do you want to 34 MR ECKSTEIN ECKSTEIN Vas Harry Harry Eckstein Eckstein Eckstein Eckstein from from Guy Guy F. Atkinson Atkinson Atkinson peurity Then everything resulting in the test is all after the a whole different phase of the work before we ever find the result We wouldn't even know if we were in violation 19 19 2020 2299 577 e Me oe Mene gre wre pe ee Yeget oe eve he e Ser - Sa Vler THE CHAIRMAN That to a great degree would be true MR ANANIA That's true but what we're trying to do here just just just that's that's that's all all like like like they they says the man says if if his his workers workers workers do is is work work with with aasbes stos besasbet stos asbestos os if if if are are exposed exposed exposed to to SMO -- oe ah he works works works with with you Wenaons ona. n two two two dadysadyayss a an nd d tthehnen hhee's's gone gone anadnd h he e wwoorrkks with with ssoomemboedybosdoymebsoomdebyody el elssee wn an for weeks the still twe for two two still weeks the is still still exposed exposed exposed The man is is The nan still still nan is still going going to get get get probably probably probably cancer cancer Does Does tthat thhat at mean mean mean that tthat hat because because he he mrwey se Ae bathe 28 Coon pea. te f ~etas mreatn S only worked for you for two days you're not supposed to say Hey this guy was overexposed and you tell the union and so the next guy would know it You know somebody along the the line line has got to make sure this man is protected MR ECKSTEIN Say they were our own employees not those of a subcontractor or an insulation contractor and we may only have a very short period of time that we are individual individual exposing an individual and to make this kind of test the Lt 19 19 31 31 in our type of business C 12 12 In some places where it's a continual kind of an opera- 13 13 tion fine I think you have a wholo different situation but ,, r,er ea SPL 15 ae fate 15 15 ais 37 37 THE CHAIRMAN I only brought up the method of finding of out in testing because of the probable problems This of course is in definition We're talking now on the defini- a iy < ec ae meraMED Mn th men TE fey tne ne CLUS 2222 23 23 23 8484 Sey ere fl ee 4 hoes S " 9 9 1010 wo im 12 12 19 19 wu 1515 ao a 2929 Pe a employeeemploye employee employeeemployeeme ployeeemployeemployee maymaymay be be cubiccucbiucbic cubicc ubic centimeter ccenteimetnertimeter centimeter centimetercentimetecrentimetecrentimetecerntimeter centimeter eded inin paragraph paragraph paragraph paragraph paragrapharagrappahragraphparagraph exposed exposeedxposeexpdosedexposed shalslhallshaslhl allshall not not exposed ofof air air , asas determined determineddetermined exceed exceeedxceedexceed exceed twotwotwo fibers fiberfsibersfibers fibers perper per exce d determined determineddetermindedetermined by method the methomdethod methomdethod prescrib- prescrib- prescrib- prescrib- prescrib- prescrib- prescrib-prescrib- prescrib- ' section e) of of thisthis thisthis section section section section section. GentlemenGentlemen GGentleemenntlemen Gentlemen GentlemGeenntlemeGentlem, en FARMER MRMR . FARMER FARMFERARMEFRARMER FARMER : on thethe the notionotion notion notion notinonotio? n I acceptaccept accepatcceptaccepatccept , THE THETHETHE CHAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMAN : ThoseThose ThosTehose Those inin favorfavorfavor ? as: ' = ( CommitteeCommittee Committee Committee Committee THETHTHEE Comite ComiteCHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMCAHNAIRMAN respondrsesponrdesspondressponds responds respondsresponds . ) : It's It'sIt's It's carried carried carried carried carriedcarried . 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ANANIAANANIAANANIANANIANANIA : YouYouYou mean meanmean whywhywhy thethe 1515 -minuteminute minuteminute minute period period period period periodperio?d SU That'sThat'Tshat'sThat's That's That's eee mean minute TRES excursion don't an an excursionexcursionexcursion excursion excursion excursion excurseioxncursion value valuvealue value , whichwhich whichwhich is is xxx xxx I don'dton'dton't knokwnow know . Frank FranFkrankFrank , isis it accepted accepted accepted acceptedacepted accepteadccepted accepted by by the the accepted accepted accepted accepted accepted acceptedaccepted accepted , theexen't exen'texen't exen't exen't Labor DepartmentDepartment DepartmentDepartmenDtepartmentDepartmenDtepartmentDepartment of of Labor theythey theythey ? Labor . TheThe The excursionexcursion excursion excursionexcursion excursion excursion excursionexcursion it value's value's value'svalue's value's ' NETS MEE . MR . MEMMOTT MEMMOTT As As I'm farfar asas I'm I'm aware aware aware aware SEN . MRTHE THE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN Wait That's Lime WaWitaitWait Wait a mminiutenuteminutmeinuteminuteminumitnuete That'Tshat's That's That's That's you're not not not whatwhat what what you're you're you're you're you're She ne J C : t. we ** 52 a 7 a is <o Gi 50 12 23 13 16 83 17 13 ea et ae wal 23 23 ah sayisngaying sayinsgaying . Ane ere 30 entn ee Ne 8 What we're saying saying saying hereherehere is is thatthat that that nono employeeemployeeemployee employeemployee employeeemployee shallshall shall shall shall neen here employe ee exposed to a concentration concentration concentractioonncentration inin excesesxcesesxcess excessexcessexcess ofof 10 10 fibers fibers fibersfibers perper per cubic centimetecrentimeter centimeter centimetecrentimeter centimetercentimeter centimeter . Period PeriodPerPieordioPderioPderiod . MRMR. ANANIA ANANIA FoFror a 1515 -minuteminute minuteminutmeinumtienute period period period periodperipoedriod. CHAIRMAN THE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRCMHANIRMAN : No, itit doesn't doesn'tdoesn't doesn't doesn't doesn't doesn't saysaysay that that . MRMR . ANANIA ANANIA ANANIA : Sure Sure Sure it it does does does does . Detrmined Detrmined DetermineDdeterminedDeterminedDeterminedDetermineDdetermined DeterminedDetermined overoveorveovrer a 15 minuteminute period period period period period THETHE THE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRCMHANIRMAN : Determined Determined Determined DeterminDedeterminedDetermined DeterminedDeterminDedetermined oveorverover over a 15 15 - minuteminute minute minutmeinumtienute period periodperiopderiodperiopderiod at a sampling sampling sampling samplinsgampling rate of two two liters liters liters liters literlsiters. That's That's That's That's That's That's howhowhow youyouyou determdienteerminedeterminedetermine determinedeterminedetermine whether whetherwhether whether it's it's it's fibers centimeter tententen fibers fibers fibersfibers peprerper cubiccubiccubiccubiccubic centimeter centimeter centimetcerentimeter centimetercentimeter centimetercentimeter centimeter . standardstandard MRMR . WARRENWARREN : standardstandardstandard di n'tdidn't MayMay limitlimit limit I addadad dd somethisnogmethingsomethinsgomething somethingsomethingsomethsiongmethisnogmething there there there there there ? 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THETHE THE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMACNHAIRMACNHAIRMAN : ThaTthatThat waywayway, you've you'vyeou'vyeou've you'veyou've established established established establisehesdtablishedestablisehesdtablishedestablisehesdtablishedestablisehsdtablished here here herehere as as a ceilingceilingceiling ceilingceilingceiling concentraticooncentration concentration concentration concentration concentration concentration concentration concentration concentration concentration . MR . WARRENWARREN WARRENWARREWNAWARENRREN: YesYes , andandand , before before before beforebefore before , time factor therethere thetreherethere was waswas nono time timetime factor factor putputput in in therethere there there there , / THTE HETHE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN : There's There's There's There'sThere's There's nono timetimetime time factor factor factor factor factor in in thisthis this this either either either either as far far far the asas the the ceilng ceilingceiling ceiling ceilingceiling concentration concentration concentration concentration concentration concentration concentration concentration concentration concentration concentration is is concerned concernedconcerned concerned concerned concernedconcerned concerned concerned , MR MR . WARRENWARREN WARRENWARREN WAREN : It It says sayssays says it's it's it's it's 15 minute a 15 minute - minute minuteminute mmiinnuuttee aid MelaSLD EST TITELN rove LOEte 7 ise a 853 a La) 3_ 3 3131 : peprieordiodperpioed riod periodperiod THETHETTHE HE MRMRMR . CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAICRHMAINRMACNHAIRMAN That'Tshat'TshatT'hsat's That's WAR ENWAREN WARREN : You You YouYou havehavehavheave method a methomdethodmethod methodmethod ofof determinatiodnetermination determinationdetermination determinadtieotnermination determinatidonetermination determination determindateiotnermination . sample detrminatdieonrmination toto sample sample samplesample a certaincertaincertaincertaicnertaincertain lengthlengthlenglthengtlhengtlhength of of time timetime to to getgegtet a sample THETHETHE WhaWthatWhatWhat I'm I'm I'm exposexdposeexdposedexposed exposeedxposed toto centimetceerntimetercentimeter centimeter cceentimnetertimetercentimetceentirmeter centimetercentimeter centimeter CHAIRMAN CHAIRMACNHAIRCMHANAIRMAN NoNo, you you stillstilsltsitillllstill still don'dton't don't don't don't getget get what what whatwhat I'm I'm I'm I'm saying sayinsgayingsayingsayinsgaying . sayingsaying is is thisthis this this sayssayssays that | that that that the the the person person personperson person person shall shall shall shallshall notnotnot bebe concentration a for for for that concentrationconcentratcionncentratcioncentratcioncentractoinocnentrationconcentratcioonncentratcioncentraticonncentratiocnoncentration in excess excess excess excess of of 1010 in anyanyany amount amountamountamountamountamount of timteimetimettimeime That's That's That'sThat's That's That's fibers fibersfibers fibersfibers perper cubicubiccubicc ubciucbic it says whatwhatwhatwhat it says sayssays . Bs oo 10 10 1202 CALI FORT MRMR. WARENWAWARRRRENENWAWRRAERNRENWARRWEANRRENWARREN : That's That'sThat'sThat's That's That's what what what it it used used used used to saysaysay . THTE HTEHE THE MRMR . CHAIRMAN CHAIRMACHNAIRMAN CHAICRHMAANIRMAN : That's That's That'sThat's That's what what what it says sayssays says nownownow. WARWENARRWEANRRWEANRRENWARREN : TheTheThe draft draft draft draft sayssayssays says it as as determineddetermined determined determined determineddetermined determined determineddetermined determined . " 12 12 ELat a3 es xP 20 1fi ro15 15 THETHETHE out find find find find out MR MRMR . don't don't don't don't don't knowknowknow don't CHAIRMANCHAIRMAN : That's That's That'Tshat's That's a determinatidoetnermination determination determination determination determination determination determination determinationdetermination determinationdeterminatdioentermination . That's That's That's That's That's how howhow you'veyou've got you've you'veyou've got got 10 10 a fibers fibersfibers fibers fibers perper cubiccubicc ubiccubic cubic centimeter centimeter centimeter centimeter centimetercentimeter centimetercentimeter centimeter , WARREN : SoSo if if you'veyou've made you've made made made thatthat thatthat determinationdeterminatiodneterminatiodnetermination centime r determdineattioenrminatidoenterminatiodenterminadteiotnerminatiodnetermination determination , you've 10 if you've you've you'veyou've you'veyou've exceeedxceedexceed exceed 10 or or notnot not short shorsthortshort short periodsperiodsperiodsperiodpseriodsperiodsperiods yoyuoyuou youyouyou within within withwinithinwithin within that 15 minutemsinutemsinutmesinutesminutesminumteisnutes . BT1717 a 13 13 eos50a0n en Sn 21 21 3232 * 30 30 aoe 2 AT 3sp eee aim Le THE guy guy can cacn an guyminutes minutes minutmienustmesinutmeisnutes? 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THETHE THE ForFor For We accepted that that that ii( ii) productsproducts produpctrsoducts productsproducts products grougtrougtrougtroutgrout , be bebe removredemovedremovredemoverdemoverdemovreedmoved theythey theythey are areare shipped ventilatedventilatveedntilatedventilatveedntilatedventilated ventilated ventilatvedentilated relasereleaserelease releasereleaserelease ANAANIANANIAANANAINAANIA : In YouYou maymaymay CHAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRCMAHNAIRMACNHAIRMACNHAIRMAN: OkayOkay Okay Okay this the recordrecordecoredcordrecord , thisthis this record acceapctecdepted acceptedacceaptcedcepted ( i) i and and RomaRnomanRomanRomanRoman numeral numeral numeralnumeranlumenrualmeral ii operations and operationsoperationsoperatioonsperations operatioonpserationsor operatioonpserationsoperations . from from from from from bags cartons cartons cartons without shippsedhippesdhippesdhippedshipped withouwtithout withoutwithouwtithoutwithout being or or of of airboranierborneairborneairborne airborne airborneairborne airborne asbestos asbestos havehave have otherotherotherother otheorther waysways ways of Let's Let'sLet's Let's Let's go to to page page pagepage is not accepted accepteadcceptedaccepted accepted accepted accepted accepted . the the Advisory Advisory Advisory Advisory Advisory Advisory Advisory Advisory CommitteCeommittee CommitteCeommitteCeom it e , be amended amendedamendaedmendeadmendedamended toto read asbestos No asbestos asbestos asbestosasbestos asbestos cement cemcenetmenctement cement material material material material material material material material containincgontainingcontaining containing containing containing containing containing cartons cartons being being or other other other other eithereither either either eithereither either wetted containers containerscontainecrsontainers wetted wetted wetted to as as to prevent prevent asbestos asbestos asbestos fibers fibers fibers fibers fibers fibers fibers in excess arta tae doindgoidonigng doing doidngoing it mcnrenes Renden thretehree three three then then then . ONE SO RSE IRES T Com it eCommCiotmtmeietteCoemmittee has has sugetd suggested suggestuedggestedsuggested suggestesduggestseudggested suggested suggested suggested sug ested read reraeadd : Particular Particular Particular Particular Particular Particular Particular Particular tees mat mortamrortar mortarmortarmortar containing containing aassbesbtoes satsobsestoasbestosasbestos comes , coatingcoating coating coactiongating coating asbestos asbestos asbestos shala Ratn 4 shall shall shall a FR containers containecrosntainercsontainers containers containers enclosed enclosed enclosedenclosed prevent prevepntrevpreevennt tprevent effecetfivecltyively mim in whichwhich whichwhich which atom 2 ee encloseednclosed emen tn , RRR TR efectively effectively ef ectively efectively efectivelyefectivelyeffectiveleffeyctively efectively efectively RA excess excess eexxcecsesss excess of thethethe UR exposure exposure exposure exposure exposure exposure exposure exposure limits limits limits limitslimits prescribed prescribedprescribed prescribed prescribed prescribed prescribed prescribed prescribed prescribed in in paragraph paragraph ppaarargargarpahph paragraph paragraph paragraphparagraph paragraph b) mS this of thisthtishis this section section section section section sectiosnectsioenctiosnection REE . 0 Pe Do wewe needneed needneed this this this this ? It It sayssays the almost almost almost almost almost almost the the same same same thtihinntgghing thintghing overoverover over ty en OMANPF in ( es here hereherehere in 2 2 andand and I don't don't don't don't don't think thinkthink we we need need need need A OY if oneoneoneone , if we we gogo ( byby ourour limits limitslimits limitlsimits that that that that are areare set set set forthforth forthforth in b) ? tem ose ren $ ves on co Ite 20 WAL 20 ey i X Yes Yes Yes , sir sir . : ; MEYER MEYERMEYER MEYER : George George George GeorgeGeorgGeeorge MeyerMeyer MeyeMreyer methods methodsmethods methodsmethods methods methods ofof SHORT compliance compliance complianccoempliancoempliancecompliance compliance compliance compliance compliance , SHORST HORTSHORT : Mal Mall , notnot itit standards standards standardsstandards standards becomes standards standards , notnot limitslimits not a standard standard standard standard standard standardstandard " it it shall shall shall shall , fact fact fact fact thatthat thatthat MR . sa methods methods methods methods methods methods of of methodssiblesible sible sible exposure exposureexposure It's It's It's It's teling you're you'reyou're you'reyou're wasting telling telling telling telling telling wastingwasting wasting the It'sIt's compliance compliancecompliancecompliance compliance compliance compliance compliance compliance compliance exposure exposure . you you howhowhow the product product howhow you you product product downdown downdown of of f ' It It section section section section section ROMEER AET IEE asociation asociationassociatsisonociatiaossnociation . 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ANANIA ANANIANANIAANANIA ANANIA : It'sIt's It's a goodgood good good workwork work practicepractice practicepractice practicepractice practice practice . en HY mp tens ORO dIctQR 33 oad 1 FER R L clarityclarity THE THE THE CHAIRMANCHAIRCMHANAIRMACNHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRCMAHNAIRMACNHAIRMAN : We don't don't don't don't need need itit pan . OTD MMR R. MEMMOTT MEMMOTMTEMMOTTMEMMOMTTEMMOTTMEMMOTT : Fred FredFred , onon clarity clarity clarityclarity here here , fromfromfromfrom standards standards standardsstandards standards standsatrdasndards , I ER ArH Ging ONO , set hmerethod criteria criteria an NE agree agree agreeagree with with with with cliff cliff clifcfliffcliff . 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FARMER FARMERFARFMEARRMERFARMER : It'll It'll be oneoneone of thethe thretehreethree three , FredFreFdredFred. 4 crim CHAIRMAN Caer . 37 37 : THETHE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMCAHANIRMCANHAIRMCAHNAIRMAN : WhaWthat elseelse else is is there therte herteherteher? e 2 keotes eneee 121212 wnes vepe et* aren rel&e a me MR Leave in . MR . FARMERFARMER FARMERFARMERFARMER FARMER : LeavLeeave Leave it it in the the bag bag . ; THETHETHE CHAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRCMHAANIRMCHAANIRMAN : personaly bag personallpyersonally personally personallypersonaly personaplelrysonally don't don'tdon't don't feel feel feefleel youyoyuou needneed need need it it . 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STEFFAN STEFFAN STEFAN STEFFASNTEFFSATNEFFAN: the WellWell Well Well , thethe advantage advantage advantage advantageadvantage of of havinghavinghaving havinhgaving a work work workwork eSetooe advntage we13.3 practice practice practice practice practice practicepractice , the workworkworkwork standard standard standasrdtandasrtdandard standard standard to to workwork work here herehere , wouldwould would would be be thethe amounatmounatmounatmount a IREBntew sherman, of you'd wouldsampling cee of sampling samplinsgamplingsampling samplingsampslianmgplinsgampling you'd you'd you'dyou'd have havehavehave toto dodo, and , since since since sincseince samplsinagmplisnagmplingsampling sampling isis sucsh uchsuch a PORN oo Dem | cLernmmnaeercas construcion seems Spe it 20 oat terrific terrificterrific terific terific terifitcerrific problem problem problem problem forforfor thethethe constructiconnstructcioonnstructicoonnstruction construction construction construction constructionconstructionconstructicononstruction industriyndustry induistnrydustry industry indusitrnydustry , it seems seemss eems like LOAIN ange APOE . om 20 wacunest industry specified like x4 ar it wouldwoulwd ouldwoulwd ould be be desirable desirable desirable desirabledesirabledesirable desiradblee sirable to to havehavehavehave the the worwkorwkorkwork practices practicpesracticespractices practices practices practices specified specified specified specified specified . PUR ae apethe 23 aee the 23 23 you youyou complied complied complied complied compliecdomplied withwithwithwith thosethosethostehostehose you'd you'd you'd you'd EELS REY half half half half -wayway way there there there . A TRePy compliedCHAIRMAN I therewhole oiaDy THE THE THE CHAIRCMAHNAIRMANCHAIRMCANHAIRMAN : Well Well Well Well , feel feel feel this this this this way wayway aboutabout about abouatbout the the whole whole whole EA - Taer fe l 24 24 cer sD nes weee no what devil doing you've R WW& 7 EE business business business busines business businesbsusiness business . Anytime AnytimeAnytimAenytime AnytimeAnytime you're you're you're you're handlhianngdlihnagndling handling asbestos asbestos asbestos asbestos asbestos asbestos asbesto, s you've you'vyeou've you'veyou've gotgot got to to sample sampsamplle esamplseample itit , no mattermatter mattermattermatter matter whatwhatwhat thethethe devil devil devil you're you'reyou'reyou're you're doingdodionigngdoing. a EsSeg ce think what coe MR . ECKSTEINECKSTEIN ECKSTEIN ECKSTEIN ECKSTEIN : I thinkthinkthintkhink that's that's thatt'shat's that's what it it says sayssayssays , isn'itsn'itsn't isn't itit? ro THE THE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN : Basically Basically Basically Basically Basical y Basical y if if Basically you'reyou're you're going going going goinggoing to to be be able ableable toto G TERAAetna sample an to to sample to sample Som MR FARMER et the thethe bee sample co times times timetsimes times have have have to Mee if you've if if if gotten eo you've gottengotten gottengotten exposuresexposures exposures cs STEFAN goten nants 7 MR STEFFAN STEFFAN STEFFAN : don'tdon't don't don't basically basically babassiiccalalyllybasically think think think that's that's ththe e 6 e10n LN intentionintention intentioinntention of of the th ren 80 re. necn oe TN tw go Leas teins oe teeoo fe s eee 14 14 Be Gentlemen, Gentlemen If you want to talk talk , RON Ne A hand hand hand and and I'll recognizererceogcniozegnize recognize recognize recognize recognize recognize talking here recognize you but if we're having having having having hhaavviinngg someone someonesomeonseomeone upupup I don't et ne to em interuptionintierntupetrionuption interrupitniotnerriunpttieornruption interuption interuptioinnterruptioninterruption . Aim interuption AN Me MR STEFFAN I'm I'm I'm sorry sorry sorrsyorry LO sorry . ea: MMR RMR . tsar If If you'd you'd you'd you'd you'd like like like to toto go aheaahdeadahead ahead ahead ahead et PAT ONT name'sname's name's Bill BillBill SteffanSteffaSnteffSatnefStfefafann I'm I'm I'm I'm wiwtithwh ithwwitihthwith thethethe SEL Ne of S2k RrMd Pho 2 It seems to that thethe intent intentintent intent of of the the standardstandardstandard standard standasrdtandasrtdandard is dee is one tate people wears below get people peoplpeeople people to work work worwk ork below below below a a certain certain levellevellevellevelevll FRE provide provide , where theytheythey theythey don't RR ROME where ret they they have where they they where they don't to provide they have provide Ek medical medical medical medical surveilance surveillance and wherewhere where theythey don't havehave to dodo MEER anything anything e except exceeptxcexpcteptexcept provideprovide provide certain certain certacinertaincertain worwkork practices practicespractices practicepsractices practices , whichwhich which whichwhichwhich ae prev nt assurances asurancesaurances asurances assurances as urances assurances will will prevent preventprevent prevent exposure wei eatrs, exposure ; and and , if if you you you you Meat UA Gr eae (( tremendous tremendous tremendous tremendous amount Mtoe of amount amountamount amount on dat wm ee Totes vais OE A ee eat et Le ES 5 TEwet Be03 ER STS 5 ue - 50 Ware ( anythinagnything except provide good work practices practices wetting down exhaust ventilation so that they stay below the allowable and standard once then provide good work practices from then | on you just get yourself out of an awful lot of work . THE CHAIRMAN I don't really see how you're you're going to get away from testing testing so as to prevent effectively the release of airborne asbestos fibers in excess of the exposure limits prescribed MR FARMER Fred what I was getting at - THE CHAIRMAN If you don't test you don't know MR FARMER True You have to test but I'm talking auarats about the numbers of tests that you'd be involved in poe THE CHAIRMAN It'd only take one MR FARMER Right So you're exposed You have an exposure then this You don't have this as a requirement perform- ance standard and you continually have to make tests THE CHAIRMAN All right Let's not beat this any further > | Se a | Sy MR FARMER Okay ane? Re 4s ' +3 4 OE THE CHAIRMAN Somebody move that we either take it ny or get rid of it aa Saber les ol MR FARMER I'll move that we take it ISN Bg (* " MR ANANIA I'll second it NET aE ob i & . Erie THE CHAIRMAN You want to replace this with the present taserPRO Cometea ons Bar . 7 pa oP oe (oe ere Speake be wie ESae SEI MR FARMER That's right ney ele MR ANANIA Do they read any different oer * ES on . ne cena af A en AN Vmbw Ah : Fe RS pene 582 e ennern pap ae emce kane tide ne carte tr Fee een Ne e wy natnt a ' eas anon Or pe a cn aaa nA neatrtea ps eee ae we ee xYeoe uy 2a, MR FARMER I couldn't tell any different MR ANANIA I couldn't tell any difference there THE CHAIRMAN I don't think they do : MR ANANIA I don't think so either DR BROWN Dr. Brown State Standard Board The difference between the two paragraphs is that you added otherwise handled MR ANANIA MR FARMER That's the only thing Thank you THE CHAIRMAN Are you still moving to accept it MR FARMER righthand side I do I move that we accept the one on the THE CHAIRMAN The switching or the replacement there- > of teteee Rnaseeladittrchn re Me et Tl mee eomne ioe? BaresAa Seort, ame eae cota Sr ber a: doce ae e tae.ame 2323 ee ameTel MR FARMER Right 4 i | THE CHAIRMAN Okay The proposal set forth by the Health Standards Group you're moving that that replace the i present ii Roman numeral il on page three MR FARMER That's right THE CHAIRMAN Any further comment ~ 2 No response) a THE CHAIRMAN Accepted Those accepting it Those in favor  q yy pmpm ME aa G -- -- - vinxtw vinxtw vinxtw vinxtw 5 vinxtw vinxtw vinxtw aren G tote Cad , br al Gh ba MA & Views Se Care te del 7 cated Naot a ee aoe te DRE onionMeares Mvboe SUED10 actetria othEar 11 Committee responds 52 52 ~ pe ee Be ne aa ooh A ee Gu = Fo SA THE CHAIRMAN Okay It's accepted This is deleted Now the next one is to replace item iii presently| in the standard with item iii Spraying demolition or removal Employees engaged in the spraying of asbestos the removal or demolition of pipes structures or equipment covered or insulated with asbestos and in the removal or demolition of asbestos insulation or covering shall be provided with respiratory equipment equipment in accordance with paragraph d 2 ii and iii this of thisthisthis section and with special clothing in accordance with paragraph d 3 of 12 12 this section Where products have been modified by a bonding 13 13 agent coating binder or other material so that during 14 14 95 95 17 apentiy inca CR Sipesch ae ssprayipng raying demolition or removal no airborne concentration the limits of asbestos fibers in excess of the exposure limits prescrib- ed in paragraph b of this section will be released these provisions do not apply except that the provisionosf paragraph d of this section will still apply where applicable to the requirement for the use of special venrs clothing pinta Where monitoring experience the breathing zone of | employees indicates the maximum concentration of airborne _ asbestos fibers which are prodpuced roduced from a specific operation ) WOH DREN e Rae involving spraying removal or demolition the need for a ME mgt Sa RT respirator specific specific specific respirator SSekaeba Rema kes respirator specspeiciaal l clothing may determined by or special clothing clothing clothing clothing be determined may be determined by Ee eT rom eC ws and me ego e oot wt ONE e hate this monitoring experience However the provisions of CO RSTOUSeo) C682 paragraph d of this section will still apply where SEN 5 Mae applicable to the requirements for the use of special nar ... Po Mtiy e fing Soe seta 2B At a rg enc Pies enoe. q ane aa clothing What I said 196 MR ANANIA What'd you say THE CHAIRMAN I. don't know What I said I don't epe OT clear eS deed believe is any more than what is already here re MGAta Ts You ase MR FARMER mean the original TAL. eMoPnk 10 arin THE CHAIRMAN Yes That's already contained in the -sneirt Standard sen C pmonsercw MR FARMER For the record Mr. Chairman is the ? intent of this to provide special clothing and what other prtselts es Soll 13 ors at equipment would be necessary to protect theworkerworker where rT rmae spraying demolition or removal of asbestos is being eR Tt Rm performed Is thatbasically what the two paragraphs -~- Met | ARIS R M THE CHAIRMAN It sort of looks like that to me OE Frank can you give us any enlightenment AN MR MEMMOTT : Fred as you know I'm a safety engineer EG and we look to our Health group for their recomendations recommendationsrecommendations PO sere ve and this is our recommendation saenit te SRA Committee Tom represents NIOSH on this Advisory and the Prend Full Committes Tom what your imam Full Committes Committes Committes recommendation what what is is your - ee recommendation recommendation recomendation recomendation to to ? us us MR ANANIA after first Frank I get lost definitelydefinitely definitely after the first ee Mee pearncae Wey ee ze rherant c, wh unter eyage aga Qe a paragraph when you start talking about d 2 ii and 3 , ek er and etc. AE Me ne Sa EL ... Ren3 ot & THE CHAIRMAN It's the same in the otheor ther one though These are the same references MR ANANIA I think it's a lot of hodge podge Most 9 : of it is brought out actually in section , Roman numeral a THE CHAIRMAN standard contained That which is already in the MR ANANIA Yes oO a4 12 12 emnts oe ate 33 33 Lie me PTSane Oe Sires ee Ry oy e 073ay eSMh ope 2222 sateWayne ANT Re ep 23 23 ade 2eh2amAa e 25 Cb 25 NSM SY ASTD Na ee MR MEMMOTT Mr. Chairman although Bill is new as a Project Officer under the Health Group Bill Warren may be able to explain to the Committee and the public here as to is what the change or why the recommendation - MR WARREN I'm just lookilngooking at this myself as you see It seems he's added some exceptions here where the products had been modified modified by a binding agent and so on That's not in the other standard is it at this point . I can't find his comment regarding that change MR ANANIA Also in that third paragraph on page 3a I Tue if may it says Where monitoring experience at the eID breathing zone of employees employees and so on from a specific ' senR oper^- - or involving tion involving involving spraying spraysprayiing ng spraying a specific specific specific respirator respirator respirator respirator or removal removal removal or or demolition demolition demolition demolition demolition special special special special clothing clothing may may be be OCS the the need need for the need for . RSUTEE detedetermirned mined determined determined determined by this monitoring expexpeerience rience specific respirato I TP monitoring monitoring experience experience experience experience The The specific specific respirato respirato respirato I ewes e HE et ch PE don't really know what they're talking about because it's SOener going 3 ec going to have to be a NIOSa H pproved respirator anyway it really Se when you're working with asbestos so you're just 5 . adding superfluos wording there actually er If you talk about a special respirator then you're _ going to have to put an line ifthat's what you're 7 talking about e Seat : THE CHAIRMAN Doctor oe DR BROWN Harold Brown with the OSHA Standard ates eta later Pod ee ere Table 1 presents various types of respirators that are etee bet required for different levels of exposure I suspect that ned nae re what they're referring to is is this -- Table 1 tan one @ SeonpatiUs MR ANANIA Is that page Sa Doctor Cotn SAE DR BROWN Yes HOt Be OS DIONE AM, ADH MR ANANIA So you say it's covered in the standard : sere: already back there ! already . THE CHAIRMAN As has we been pointed out this Lagnyee bonded business is not in there but if it's bonded it epee ORENIR doesn't produce an exposure does it | rund Ee i Pa ; rip ere MR ANANIA Only when you up They're talking te rage about demolition there Pane . THE CHAIRMAN I know The product has been modified | ( it says by bonding and so on These provisions do not apply| if there is is no eexpoxsure posurexpeosure exposurexeposure If If there's there's no exexposure p exposure osure, why why a 38.3 heveratet te ed Tp cee ee erate 56 Eten ~s MR FARMER Mr. Chairman on the last paragraph it's 3 completely redundant I was looking at this one even in relation to the one prior to it it seems like it's all Mets covered in the one prior to it Although it's still kind &3 of wordy All we're trying to heinrhee re is that special 3 clothing and respirators will be required where there's concentrations of airborne asbestos in the operations of- spraying demolition or removal of - asbestos material THE THE CHAIRMAN Yes sir That's true But this one doesn't say i it | 14 - 18 18 sora 37 4 DR BROWN Dr. Brown OSHA Standard Board again The old statement of paragraph 3 simply stated that if you're doing this type woork you shall wear respiratory equipment and clothing You've changed it to make it permis ive permis ive permissive whereas if you are working with bonded material which which which will not release asbestos fiber then you don't have to wear respiratory protection because it won't be needed You won't have the fibers re Now the original statement didn't take accooufntt he fact that you might have an operation which did not release C fibers It simply said that you would wear respiratory rT Te Sme tt, ae the case think the and and true is add the old is into 1 I I think think true it's it's true , to into to add old the ee : s ; fi wording sentence sentence sort sort of sentence sentence the 3 wording to : sentence the efefffectect a sort of ~~ ws C C C 57 57 ta 63 Bs tae 5 6 ma tok $2 Soe pconees pi Se tat wiesats Daas tai Sriebi: ingrebatmy unr rueane MR FARMER We could use this one right here on page Sa. We could insert that somewhere in there Where ! products have been modified by a bonding agent coating binder or other material so that during spraying demolition or removal no airborne concentration of asbestos fibers in excess of these exposure limits will be released THE CHAIRMAN Why don't we just add that at the end of that section iii . ot ' om MR FARMER Okay Do you want me to make a motion THE CHAIRMAN Yes : . 7 MR FARMER I make a motion Mr. Chairman that we accept the original wording on the lefthand side of the page and include the following wording Where products have been modified by a bonding agent coating binder or other material so that during spraying demolition or fibers removal no airborne concentrations of asbestos fibers in excess of the exposure limits will be released Fe aee MR ANANIA It's really confusing because you're really going to have to sample anyway to deterdetmermiinene if you're going to have any kind of a release oa PEE rae 21 25 be be released released released released released released during during during during during during subsequentsubsequent subsequenstubsequentsubsequent subsequent subsequent subsequent subsequent demolition demolition demolitiondemolitiondemolitiondemolition demolition demolition demolition demolition operations operationsoperations operationsoperations operations operations operations operations operations . This This This This seems to throw throw throw throw them them them all all all in togethetr ogether in together We're We're We're We're concerned concerned concerned | whether whether whether : whether t ny ate Oy ib els ase ect ne ante POW ae enmapeatye ae Seng cae roe a on a oe nt MR FARMER We could use this one right right here on page te. aw 2 arecaMatiler 3a We could insert that somewhere in in theretht erethere thhereere Where et te 01 3) products have been modified by a bonding agent coating binder or other material so that during spraying demolition or removal no airborne concentration of asbestos fibers in excess of these exposure limits will be released THE CHAIRMAN Why don't we just add that at the | of that section iii MR FARMER Okay Do you want me to make a motion THE CHAIRMAN Yes MR FARMER I make a motion Mr. Chairman that we accept the original wording on the lefthand side of the . page and include the following wording Where products vane Wacsenm have been modified by a bonding agent coating binder or other material so that during spraying demolition or removal no airborneconcentrations of asbestos fibers in <oethn= excess ofthe exposure limits will be released Ahem | Sm MR ANANIA It's really confusing because you're have SS img Se really going to if tosample anyway to determine if if kind Bea you're going to have any kind of a release PE eee THE CHAIRMAN I suppose ~~ Yes sir A Pn, hag DO a A a eel during the spraying operation whether asbestos fibers will Re as te Piecsrome, be released released during during subsequent subsequent subsequent subsequent ddemoelitimon olidemoltition idemoolitionn opoeperationrs ations This This Sane netics ork hee tit 25 | secrehe Pe A tie! aN c5e C C - a . on sbewe aea i} 2 Hi if! - iu tii} 2i is ff poy } A 58 hie aLhe fey Mk mo alee . Rin are fibers released during operation : fibers are released during during any subsequent operation and also | . really don't feel very confident that there are any bonding 3 Stentre Woe S foo 7 a 294 20 agents that will protect during demolition anyway THE CHAIRMAN You have your hand up MR BRADSHAW Mr. Chairman Don Bradshaw NICA Locking at it from a sary practical standpoint here removal of - insulation that does not contain any binders or other treatment so as to contain the fibers within the material frequently we may go into the hold of a ship to remove some old insulation for 15 or 20 minutes Then the men apply new insulation i 99 - materials We're saying by this regulation here that those aA | 3 men would have to wear special protective clothing for that period period of time time because it's it's removal of old insulation insulation insulation insulation or or s4 4] ; 83 demolition I empathize with the difficulty of trying to write 18 regulations to fit the industrbuyt it becomes highly 17 3 3 j t en | wt i } 20 impractical to think in termosf short exposures We now require . containing containing containing containingcontaining asbestos asbestos all our fibers fibers people if they use . they that they ; a wear what what what any materials materials - are are to ~ the best of our knowledge currently masks for protection : 21 21 ; i 12 5 Hi 3 i 24 i against asbestos fibers and we're giving them this protection . but it's becoming just very very impractical in small time- of frames when you perform some of these operations define to define them by a regulation that is really practically workable in i fants es : e t 5 Du anet GaleOy NESCplibentars 3 REL & ee SEAL 3 37 3 nh ' of } 40 ; iy 31 sa | 13 52,7 ! 10 i 40 : 17 # wf shit ee : 21 22 at 20 ; Ort Me DM ener OER would qualify studying now under which this particular section that we're particular could not be major undertakings in gree ren ER OE demol- e pe em EN ition or removaanld if you take your weighted average of two fibers per cubic centimeter weighted average over | an eight day we're we're thinking in terms of special protec- tive clothing because of the transfer of asbestos ina man's clothing from the work site perhaps to his home or wherever * else he may go and yet a man who is working with asbestos t materials with a very low concentration that could come within . ; the fibers two working eight hours a day day in and day out : could accumulate far in excess of the numberof fibers withouwtithout protective clothing a tt hat hat man could for very short exposure period under the terminology of demolition or removal of old insulation so it becomes very didficultifficult to define this And as I empIaetmh paithzizee with the i | going practical Committee but it's to create some real a problems in the field oo oo Sr ee is - And what concerns me more not a contractor's intelli- EE gent response to the protection of a man but our friends in 0SHA who inspect our jobs and see a condition that would qualify under the regulation and simply say whether it be five minutes or 30 minutes You're removing old insulation and therefore protective alothingalothing shall be worn THE CHAIRMAN Of course we're already required to ; saver i } i, ad ies q # t i -----,---- -----,---- 4 Fy i 10 10 i i. af - 4 B 3 7 er 60 _t iz Pe ' ad, ae : eum ary \ MR MR FF ARMEAR RMFARME ER R Mr. Chairman ChairmCahainrman Chairman in in response response to Mr. Bishaw Bishaw Bishaw Pe \ en cue airborne hyena if what if we accept what I made into into motion a motion maybe maybe that that would would take a care of what you're talking about when we say no we et el concentrations of asbestos fibers in excess of the exposure ier te OAD. 1 limits will be released You're going to be working within YEO ee these limits and if you exceed them then it would be a Ti tthe rete requirement for the special clothing as we have it and this e eta Np would be a requirement anyway URE at f 19 i MR ANANIA Ed Question You say that sometimes you work TO just 15 minutes there right Man ; MR BRADSHAW Indeed sir yes 32 MR ANANIA So actually when you put a time limit on 3 +3 iy | this how can you go down there and sample for that minute aes period if it's up indeed in thatpepreiordipoderiod of time I think ene by 95 we're going to be a little permissive here by allowing a CO HL RE person to determine that there isn't going to be any exposure OR A 5373 because they have a bonding agent or something when they're AR TAS 63 spraying or demolishing equipment ML 13 If they're going demolisdh emolish and so forth I say that eNERO pe they've got to wear -- or I personally they should wear the ne ernt respiratory equipment until -- if it's a long drawn out job nents ner ' Une 4 they and they determine sumpling period that there isn't 2 < period there isn't period that sumpling period sumpling sumpling determine isn't there over a Ar ay 4 wers 2 iinnd^'edd^'ed then 234 23 23 any maybe they coucoulld d do with the exposure maybe they aaw wayay with or ind^'ed ind^'ed ind^'ed exposure , then maybe they could with away | i C -s : respiratory protection determine through es 4 aes, Sag respiratory respiratory protection protection protection protection but but until until they they they determine determine determine determine through through 4 i aR oR ee Re TO sampling sampling that that there is is no asbestos asbestos then they should should should wear wear te < C te rab od Kher wean athe te wagon are Tak Ae ATA tien ET AS YE EARt eT oha ri sentwehaymns Ent A R Gere nnhock Fy ogg et ",She nape es 139 " na peansed 1 Seek ena proces awa ane afig hoe eg, 01 01 ee tL Ot e, them , | pers ctwend MR BRADSHAW Standards for the respirator itself es ae toes eee and then . MR AMANIA And the clothing itself MR BRADSHAW If I read you correctly sir you're saying if there's continued high exposure then the protec- tive clothing should also be worn noes MR ANANIA What I'm saying is protective clothing ne te nme should be worn when you first goon that job to demolish or freee to spray because you really don't know what youare releasing until you do sempling Am I correct MR BRADSHAW This could be true yes ad MR ANANIA Could you tell me that if a few people ce te poise are going into the hold of a ship and tear out some old coating Snatcr sa asbestos pipe that they're not going to be exposed exposed orpaie paint in excess of the ten fiber ceiling for that minute tie ane a SE S:LISviede eNTN ee yr WERee AREpovdneris te Seas detMOates 23 oa sanrae ttNT FOC taeYN ON puerta22 22 EA BR Ente RAAESbat ARERRwed Oe Oe Ne rEEIN tka. toe aii 2 period MR BRADSHAW No. MR ANANIA So what I'm saying to be positively sure those people should wear proper respiratory clothingclothing until you do determine even though there is a bonding agent ITS NN CH because we're going to be too permissive here in allowing to LE thesepeople be exposed when they shouldn't be ALAA MR FAPMER Well Tom KAR tee from a practical point of view Le eA erm in words you're that all personnel RN in oo ther ther you're saying saying saying all personnel personnel wear wear wear the the 3 otNeE eanweHee oS mo Patnre / ete i / f. Tani 2 f be 62 tin le ad oe HER ae Tet cee special clothing and res . tors They've got a couple of se few C gp VW 2 ee ee os.Nae Pe o Sane wae * 7 them with asbestos they should wearwear this or this should be ANANIAANANIA ANANIA Yes Yes Because you may be expostoead hundred fibers in that minute period ms am MR FARMER Well -- oe ; MR ANANIA We found this out that there's a tremen- dously high exposure to people unless they actually wet this_ material down that you do get a very high exposure in 7 Ft E A12 12 demolition feo ta 2 MR SHORT Mr. Chairman being practical about it in ae re Lenetn the construction industry to me I think we're saying that as a employer Soren the MT -- Let me give you a hypothetical case CIE We've got a bunch of pipes up here and they're all nets ee 16 Sen RE Insulated and whether I'm working on it or not I'm still SGA renws exposed to it To me I think we're making a requirement Paneer PD respirators that the employer must furnish ae oA and special met area se Rina ew etre clothing clothing for everybody in that whether they're on his e bet e Sey ve te it payrpoll ayroll Somebody's got to protectprotect those people and I'm - 4 panera the aRctae notthat's practical in construction industry ORB Dy, napeSn on ft ene tthhac You take the insulating contractor who has a contract a ser TRUS b PEO do that may many ttoo demolition ww ork orworkk that demolition demolition demolition TT herehere be may be other other ccontract- onct ontract-ract contract-- eee rer aotBae C that with people gone big with that area people that in I've I've I've into big big into rooms rooms rooms in in e Ceti- er PG power power houses houses it's it's and it's a complete complete complete wwhhite ite h haze ha aze haz ze e NNoobbo oddyy''sNobody's s got got a a BORAT a WayEe te ante Mat! TR Bet he LS SPR. A ee 3 teeSR eeeTE e Ae e aertn oan az UIE< ee WA + RS $ MRE 2 2 ett cepeedioven repirator on not even the people that's removing it but to me everybody in there is being being being exposed exposed to to the fibers And can we make the requirementrequirement that the -- Are we being fair to make the requirement that the -- I want the people protected but I also want to be practical with the ' - situation the To me the cost on the part of the -- providing every- body with the proper clothing and the proper respiration equipment is prohibitive I'd rather see them outlaw the use asbestos completely But I'm not sure we can do that MR ANANIA Can you be practical and fair at the same time There are situations where you can't like you say C in the situation you're talking about I don't think it's fair to send me into an area where you're putting up or tearing down asbestos and telling me to work on electircal fixtures and I'm being exposed to asbestos when I I shouldn't ba and I'm going to contact cancer just because you didn't thinikt was practical practical practical practical practical practical practical MR SHORT Yeah 50 50 nie a 2222 tenrle fee Node on, xWar) cian evSenR RE RetiWnOT. of CERSoka Spat + ratuteone as Sap. MR ANANIA Because you didn't think it was practical Maybe we're going to have to change the whole work practice procedures IfIf somebody'somebody'somebody's somebody's somebody'ssomebody'ssomebody's somebody's in in in there tearing down nobody's allowed in there except the people that areare demolishing demolishingdemolishing demolishing demolishing demolishing demolishing demolishing demolishing demolishing demolishing the the the MR SHORT Is that a practical way oe a ee Te e Gen ce le TLee ot ei TA TU 3 mY 6 tase wrens ete we1 ere ta we Q wor vats oe AER MR ANANIA Well I don't know You see there's got ae Shes Ate to be some happy medium somewhere where maybe you try to' ae ME be practical and fair fair but you can't expose a man just because a Ea Tied it isn't practical MR FARMER Tom I think the point that's probably bothering maybe John myself JAG THE CHAIRMAN It's bothering me too MR FARMER Is basically when you have to take a seu sample or something to know that you have the exposure OE Otherwise you're going to be providing people with all kinds Pe eenira tenerpacenr of equipment and you won't know whether there's an exposure oy MR ANANIA Exactly That's what I'm saying What I'm taking is the other point of view I'm going around the positive view I'm saying there is asbestos there until I prove there is not by sampling but we can say there's none there until I do sample Do you see what I mean eT vey I'm saying you go in and tear down some asbestos ero there Now tem ES dae pipe that there is asbestoassbestos in you prove me sampling iat paer wraty wrong and the only way you can do it is through we ces MR FARMER I'm taking the other point of view How er do we know there's asbestos on it if it's it's wrapped with someRS da thing that is not asbestos a eT UIT 9 MR eT don't you've got EE MR AAN NANIA ANANANII A A You You don'tdon't know know know b bu ut t you've you've to assume got assume C MLE OT CC AEG ett RI THE CHAIRMAN It might be fiberglass and -oe GEN eS eT4 viet Sr ta, emt: OO Cae me Ete! rest 65 65 MR ANANIA you Until determine it you've got to assume it's asbestos THE CHAIRMAN Now you're getting a little bit ridicu- lous MR ANANIA I don't really think that is ridiculous because what if you do find out after five days that it is truly asbestos and you've got counts of 100 and 2007 oA THE CHAIRMAN You're going to know as soon as you cut 0% into it MR FARMER When you take a sampling at thatthat time se 12 12 UT 13 14 14 14 10 ne eek 18 18 Ser. ee iene erwta Fie OES ee aS ee i ihe health 2 canti!alae e VOTE SINCET MeN Dykes ASM 1 though somebody'd be there making a sampling to determine MR ANANIA Can you get an instantaneous sample MR FARMER NO MR ANANIA That's what I'm saying It'll take probably five days for it to come back from the lab so you can expose people these five to 200 fibers cc cc for for for five fivefive days and then say Jesus Christ it waswas asbestos asbestosaasbsestobs estos " MR FARMER Strike that from the record MR ANANIA Strike that from the record You see we've we've got to take the positive approach and say that it is it isn't definitely asbestos until we prove that it isn't MR FARMER They're going to be working Tom in all kinds of different materials in demolitio yonu know What it would mean if we take that point of view we'd provide clothing clothing clothing clothing clothing clothing clothing , respirators respiratorsrespirators respirators respirators respirators respiratorsespiratorsrespirators respirators respirators , shoes shoes shoesshoes shoes , and and and everything everythingeverythingeverything everything everything everything everythingeverything everything everything everything these for forfor thesethese these these these 66 66 ey & at Bt ARES 63 va 7 2 mona os necs 320 ee 13 13 whe ay 18 18 oe ae people people and maybe 90 50 or 50 of of the time time time they they they would would not be be oe exposed to it to any asbestos THE CHAIRMAN I still think TomTom you've got to put it tied to the exposure or eight exposure MR ANANIA know How're you going to do it if you don't . : - THE MR CHAIRMAN You'll have to find out ANANIA If you don't tear anything down you don't have anything THE CHAIRMAN You've got to get a quicker method to find out | That's what you fellows have to do MR ANANIA That's the only method we have at this particular time THE CHAIRMAN Yes sir MR STEFFAN Bill Steffan with the Department of Health I think that some exclusion is necessary so you don't have to wear respirators under all conditions There are asbestos paints and things like this which don't give out the asbestos fibers during the spraying operation There are heavy paints that you spray on as a coating material and this would require respirators whether they would need it or in not I and I think think that that where where where you you have have experience experience experience in sasammpling plsiamplinng samplging | the the record would that show that this this type type of an operation operation operation is is safe safe shouldn't required respirator that you be required required a to respirator shouldn't required to wear wear wear a respirator respirator respirator ee Cem eat f i 67 i K an | 2 rf it 3 f Ea - THE CHAIRMAN You made a motion didn't you MR FARMER Yes I still think it's good I know Tom Tom ~-= THE THE CHAIRMAN it Anybody second it ny ers ee SLC ee re on ae ee enr Pad ren Per 75 MR ANANIA Maybe we should do this You should make a's 3 7 two sections here one on spraying and one on demolition ke 3 When you lump them all together you can't -~ I see no Ce wees 3 practical way that you're going to segregatief you're going . et 3 to lump them together True what you say there are paints cece i we 10 containing asbestos That's a wetted operation Once you , ,,, ,| spray it on there's very little exposure if any at all 32 $ 13 but you go back and you demolish that what is saying . that you won't get asbestos exposure when you tear that out -3 15 MR STEFFAN I think you could improve this a little bit by saying state I'm on page 3a on about the third line Det cantik . ae set 16 | Three a Where products have been modified by a bonding et 5 . 17 agent coating binder or other material so that during eee | say such operations referring back to the operations before e s~ g . ee re rather than indicating each one of these operations in here 10 ; i and then so on 20 | 21 MR FARMER Excuse me Bill When you say such operations but if we cancel which we are proposing the 22 ae $8 forepart of this paragraph wouldn't be such operation . Te $ $ $ $ 24 \ tu 25 25 ca THE CHAIRMAN It's included over here maybe ne te MR FARMER It would clean up oe + the the wording wording but but it but it Pn ers bate nee be wwidee C < 7 & eawedA otaed fn eae e aemen Bnew 2 we ewtas 15 @ Cet WAYS %fey EY UT eS ae RA LR Bi APE LO nate sern Pets Tn , get ob 68 68 eine sete oad the would mean the same thing Bill THE CHAIRMAN I think it's got to be done this way MR STEFFAN The thing that bothers me is that you have all this -- Spraying is one thing and demolition is a completely different thing If you have to have a binder that's certified not to allow anything to be released during spraying or demolition it's a much more difficult type of a binder problem than it i is is if you just have to take care of it during spraying and let someone else worry about demolition If you're on demolition job then you're concerned about whether the binder ars PE 83 83 is safe for demolition And I'm trying to set it up so that the thing you're 14 14 concerned about with respect to the exposure limits is the we job that you're doing at that time not all three of them 15 1515 MR ANANIA During spraying operations is asbestos ext as always wetted Is there a wetting agent at all times when | 1133 13 you spray 13 13 reabg! ey Shaw a ines eine hd oe Pink dele eek Ceca Soe eee e eUy eed div pest TPG Spe. MR STEFFAN Yeah The wetting and spraying operation varies ' considerably in effectiveness Some of them mix the asbestos in the nozzle which tends to give you a pretty bad mix and others mix it in a cement mixer type of an operation| and spray it out wet and it's rot too awfully dusty except Oo, the stuff falls the up and gets trampled rane the stuff stuff stuff falls the the on ground ground ground ground and and dries dries dries dries up gets gets gets trampled trampled pe We ; . on Bu But t if if you're you're you're notnot careful careful careful careful careful and and and don't don't clean up up all all all all the the aria time But I could see where people could misinterpret this at Se bonding agent coating binder as applying eo A Menara operation ESOT " tod Pet THE CHAIRMAN It's qualified Exposure limits are set Pa qualified ab It's AY here re as a matter of fact Tom in spite of ana fact ate the re mi MR STEFFAN I think if if you need respirators you have le Ka wt to have them If you don't need them you don't need them nomea Sed Me and many people think it's not necessary I think someplace else you cover the use of respirators when you exceed cer- at, taitnain levels and that's all you need MR ANANIA Who's going to determine that That's what I'm getting at the How're you going to determine what the concentration is if you don't sample prea - MR STEFFAN Who's going to approve the bonding agents nes e MR FARMER We're not according to this MR STEFFAN You see there's there's a requirement in CalCiafloirf-or-Califor- Califor- Califor-Califor- Califor- Califor- etrna nia at the present time which says duct work has to be doated with an approved bonding agent agent that would prevent fibers from is ot being ever being released and theries no such thing Be ShAS though THE CHAIRMAN Well to answer your question though SOS comate Ate Adan GAMROSE daseges 8 tae Jae te nd var MR MR A ANANIA NANIA TThat'hs at's whw at hat what was driving at at becabecauuse se they they 6 ae LE berna 2 7 oC MARL Soa Do aFts E ede ge Be t Ee cePe, ee aeae e ta ee ee aer a kon co outlawed open spraying in these eaTo S have g pera ates wae Shetan right unless it's enclosed and this type of thing eamEw seta we mte e oabnsageah THE CHAIRMAN I'm not really concerned too much with UNAnukgercd whe spraying gweena the of asbestos in the insulation field because i netdGk AB your from Ae WE ecg most of tarde contractonrosw have gone completely away CalcnisBe asbestos and you don't run into it anymore MR ANANIA Not at all es THE CHAIRMAN Hardly ever I don't know whether they're they're they'rethey're they'rethey're sate manufacturing manufacturing it anymore I don't think they do MR BRADSHAW a The major manufacturer of asbestos spray gone has now over to a product they call ceramo spray which | fiber eed ate is mineral fiber rather than asbestos This is for| 13 t 10 THE CHAIRMAN Would it work for fireproofing do you 10 "" 17 17 know MR BRADSHAW There are some mineral walled base fireproofing material material certainly certainly yes MR ANANIA But if 95 have transferred over still there's % that's got to be protected under here You've got to lay some kind of groundwork for even that 58 To excluedxecludeexclude them period I mean that'tshat's giving them just free freefreefree C hand to do what they want Maen ponoat CC manta . Drea eMirmats this type of material Not now At one time when we were Den ASW" erni! prendane Sho ON ment ee ne a enn Gyan merc are cute ea aet ede men ced $ : 71 ; making an investigation there was less than 10 even at i that time when they dropped it I kind of agree with Fred | ; on this that this is almost nil as far as being used in } i spraying operations at this time | i ! MR ANANIA You know it doesn't take too much of a percent to make two fibers per cc for eight hours~ MR FARMER Right And once outside the proposal that| we had before on this is in excess of the exposure limits I think that would handle them too once it was sampled THE CHAIRMAN I think we've beat this around enough Would you read your recommendation again or your motion whichever eat MR FARMER I make a motion that we accept the number pewanes 3 on the righthand side with the addition of this wording 2, 38 Where products have been modified by a bonding agent coating 5 H t binder or other material so that during spraying demolition ira 10 wi or removanlo airborne concentofraast bi esotnos s in in excess of the exposure limits will be released THE CHAIRMAN Okay All in favor again All in favor Did I get an aye | Committee responds DS THE CHAIRMAN That's three ayes ae ae RT a All opposed 0 tt GATE UTEP MR ANANIA I'll say aye 2 THE CHAIRMAN Okay Now the full Advisory Committee Kg Ndaye re eee . i 72 72 H ; i H added the recommendation iv or added number iv as a ao) recommendation " Okay we're finished with that Py et A recess was taken : 5 Emen Sveray ae OmeMt ee 2 ee 3 Be ative, preamisnt eB G3 ee aN Fie AE ot ka op ha eliascoed Paps E aGAnRda. AMM GSS ctmadine fr ae oe bola Pn oar oe Mae Ree ET AME a ee Cae RUAN Pod THE CHAIRMAN Let's move forward now and get back on the record The item on page 3 iv which is a recommendation that the full Advisory Committee approved reads Where engineer- ing controls or wet methods as defined herein are not practicable personal protective equipment shall be used in accordance with Subpart E of this part That's page 3 I don't propose that we would do anything with this unless you want to leave it out MR WARREN Mr. Chairman have you left three now you iii * THE CHAIRMAN Yes sir modified It's only modified by a paragraph which has to do with the bonding and what not MR WARREN realizing -~ We were discussing that at the break and THE CHAIRMAN Cliff is going to study that and see whether he feels we've got the right thing We may come back to that MR WARREN Fine MR ANANIA Move we accept iv ee 7 Le C C Vai acd Autom^ To already in there by the Advisory Committee This -~ It A { wv would just be that we want to take it out if that was the ~ S$ point . & MR ANANIA Oh okay all right . 54 THE CHAIRMAN And now we go to page b Fa 1 7 3 Now how does that fit Frank : MR MEMMOTT As far as the number's concerned 7 THE CHAIRMAN I've got lost with this one because I . 5 don't know where it fits 10 MR MEMMOTT Oh yeah One of our friends put that in s ff 32 but I think it fits in sequence doesn't it MR ANANIA I don't know where five is Maybe I've Ro lost it somewhere Es MR MEMMOTT Look on page 3d There's small Roman jt 35 i an? ue 17 i numeral five MR MEYER . You already have a iv There should should ; be a c five and six c two four It's the one you just i a2 i 19 19 20 # : 21 21 a 22 22 Ea 33 i as read in MR . MEMMOTT : four That's That's That's . MR ANANIA That's the modification See Lo. I couldn't that follow that THE CHAIRMAN Lo. and c two is back Asbestos cargo ~ Propose hore We already talked to amend . about o b two: q two : MR ANANIA And four's been put in there right Q 7 THE CHAIRHAN C two doesn't talk about what we really +- b aon 1 Fuad Gasplanti e HE PO PBR inee Sent sre cuatirben Hei ie 7 recakefdc Prt ee re ae ran 33 33 94 a an ha et a MT Rk mEaN EM kes bec bhe erciowatOAT Uk nicky Pon Se moe Saifage Pet Tie OF gt RLen By adding paragraph c two four which is loading ek A and unloading and storing asbestos cargo c two five would read as follows This five doesn't mean anything MR MEYER However you already have a four so it should be c two five and c two six THE CHAIRMAN That's correct Five and six We'll discuss them under the numbers that are actually on this page and let the standards people correct the lettering oenay All don't want to do is to accept something here which s deletes something here so that on page 3b this iv Roman numeral iv would be in addition It has to do with loading unloading and storing asbestos cargo Railcar truck ship or other carrier This seemtso be desdesiigned gned forfor something other other than construction considerably other than construction I don't know that we've ever received asbestos by railcars If I'm correct we already have taken care of this bagging bit MR ANANIA NO THE CHAIRMAN Yes we are Bags or otherwise handled on page 3. C two Roman numeral ii MR ANANIA See it says from bags fiere you're eanee eae THE CHAIRMAN at their Me No. They do at warehouse CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN No. They may do it their their warehouse warehouse may it ee aren WY Sy wey! ot 75 75 e Cedi we ge ate a oen location as far as -~ hte congreat ethen ewe MR ANANIA What about a truck pe oe ot Ta ES Ome THE CHAIRMAN --manufacturers RU eR MR ANANIA How do they get it to the construction ah : RA site THE CHAIRMAN Truck it But you've already taken care ? of it Tom It says No asbestos cement mortar coating 8 grout plaster or similar material containing asbestos shall 9 et ota ween 12 12 ean see be removed from bags cartons or other containers containers in which nt they are shipped without being either wetted enclosed aN ee eas ventilated or otherwise handled so as to prevent effective- ly the release MR ANANIA What they're doing here on the other one His about the trucks If it's released inside the truck or nase eee THE CHAIRMAN If you want it how would you reword it retr] poe jt certainly goes way beyond what you can accept now MR ANANIA It seems okay to me THE CHAIRMAN I suggest we delete the whole thing MR SHORT Frank I havea question fe compliance As a compliance , what Officer how could you issue a citation based on what we have written here prior to unloading the visual inspection of the ba asa Ne cargo Does the employer have to load that inspection THE CHAIRMAN How do you inspect a cargo anyhow without ee Lt 23 23 ewe eS eh ha er bo weit 7 i a 7 54 2 7 2 ul 3 * 76 : TT be ieee Fe MR HEMMOTT Joe as read this ~~ You know I'm not | : the author Health Health i the author of this This comes from you know the Health ; Branch gi 673 THE CHAIRMAN Oh come on now MR MEMMOTT No that's right As applying it to a 5} compliance officer my experience as a safety engineer 7 prior to unloading bags or other containers of asbestos fiber z 9 omen a,my an Rant Mage yg 1 12 ; 13 from railroad truck ship or other carrier a visual Sey e inspection of the cargo and cargo space shall be made to asbestos determinief leakage or spillage of asbestos cargo has occurred and the extent of loose asbestos fiber if any Without having documentation required there although many . times an employer would have it and enforcing that particu- 16 lar regulation I would ask you and I also would ask employ- 13 ees in my around had you visually inspected to deter- mine , any leakage of those broken bags and if you had not 87 i done this and there was no documentatiodnocumentation of it I would get 19 statements from employees supporting the evidence that I 40 needed and that's how I would apply that particular section a On THE CHAIRMAN Well answer me question a loaded 23 C 21 t The 23 nae , teva Sato te 2121 gSEn PNET car truck or whatever without unloading it how can you | inspect it MR MEMMOTT I believe Fred you'd certainly have to be removing cargo removing bags before you could inspect THE THE THE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN ThaTht at''sThat's s right right right right I .I re recom end commend recommend recommend recommend we we delete delete delete it it it SIS aio 77 t ata a . ray MR FARMER Fred you're saving you recommend deleting : rt: pervatl aneSao 7 all of THE CHAIRMAN All of four I don't know about five - yet All of what's on page 3b 3c and the top of page 3d ; Yes sir MR STEFFAN Bill Steffan with the Department of Health , . It seems that four c might be useful OS MR MEMMOTT Yes That's a much better statement from . the enforcement standpoint or the compliance standpoint than | a CHAIRMAN THE | Precautions have been taken to minimize .12 employee exposure What does that mean You're a compliance C DEB ts officer What does it mean MR MEMMOTT The IH Listen I'm a compliance officer 14 14 I'm a safety engineer And from the IN standpoint I'll refer 19 19 that to Tom here or Bill MR ANANIA It doesn't read too good when you say MR MEMMOTT Bill do you have any comments on that 19 19 AGN 2020 read ea ee MR WARREN OhI don't know what I can add to that ee It's It's It's just justjust just saying protect or take the precautions BEM e LT Moke a f the ase THE CHAIRMAN We've already made comments in the IT Eee e SAY ele my standards ae EeTie OD . TE e OS Us, eee ram ie MR WARREN We can refer to other parts of the standardsstandards Ah) ener BME ee perhaps te ETE perhaps to what apply te eg see see what precautions would precautions would would precautions would apply there apply there je AUC ae fo ate wT eee ee ome wee Hoe ee OH ens ema er exposure and that person can't be said where you have the exposure of asbestos fibers you've a E 7 @2 Ae NE " BTR RL EE Kae RANE a Mere Soe 83 83 got to do certain things such as ventilate wet other things individual If you're getting exposure of the individual in fiber the loading of asbestos fiber and the handling of this thing you have prescribed things which you must do I think this is redundant We don't need it MR FARMER Let's take a situation Fred In construction It says here visual inspection of cargo cargo space baggage or the containers damage or loose asbestos fiber and dust at any time unloading of cargo shall not proceed until precautions have been taken to minimize oy 13 13 DTN UOTE o. De 15 EES GAT Sn SAm:er Le eS PSE employee exposure THE CHAIRMAN Put a respirator on say Go to work MR FARMER Don't we call for it if you have the 4 exposure anyway in any operation THETHE CHAIRMAN Yes that's what I'm saying MR FARMER We have the eight weighted exposure here THE CHAIRMAN We have a mix MR FARMER Bill I'm just talking to you now Don't you you think thinktha tthathatt woulw d woouull d d be covered covered covered though though though by by the the eight eight eight - Rh or MR STEFFAIL Everything's covered by that Sea siete 79 7 4 2 ee ebe MR FARMER How would this help it then = er MR STEFFAN Well this would mits This is more like a poh 2 5 cai Bog gi B it ft 7 work practice It says that if you ~~ You assume the containers are sealed and you don't need any protection break open the container and it says broken containers You Hy me Mh require some protection Then you have to have respirators respirators or or , monitoring monitoring monitoring monitoring or something something Respirators probably Respirators would probably be 33 a| the most practical thing because it's a temporary loading weresd job and once you get that box car emptied your problem is Peet " 2 2 > gone 22 | 22 The next one hopefully all boxcars don't have broken | 13 13 uu i a 13 4 iF i 27 i 18 18 ba be 20 a 21 21 i #4 ti oy woe i 3 220 0 fe i 23 ' sa 23 i a MR FARMER In other words , if a compliance officer other is making an inspection out there and seas the bag's broken open at that time he could go into these other precautions wear a respirator or something like that MR STEFFAN Yeah As I say this as I see this this this is compliance guidance towards voluntary for some employers eu . It saysthis is something you : should look out for . It seems obvious to me that maybe -- I don't know whether you feel that's so obvious that it shouldn't be included THE CHAIRMAN Yeah Well Well we put so much in the standards that a fellow's got so much to read that he doesn't Ee read it all He doesn't understand it To already knows RT? Te that he's got things that to do certain certain certain things things monitor not the let the hE ym BAe 80 AIO Re = Me ene Me peal degrees NG exposed NG fellows be degrees certain to certain degrees degrees degrees danger danger of danger or or he he hashas u i ventilate things to ventilate ventilate ventilate wet or other other other things things and and I just just ffeeelel thatthathat t tthhiis s : ( is is a littlelittle littlelittlelittlelittle bitbitbit tootootoo muchmuchmuchmuch . FARMER FARMER Te! neta e y me mene J etg ss ae on Tae 7< anton ne carne $3 ee don't think that a compliance safety engineer can enforce that In other words you'd have until precaution had been take-n- Now he could say Well I told the men not to work over there There were some broken bags So I don't think it's really a requirement or a standard that would be enforceable THE CHAIRMAN Frank do you want to say something MR MEMMOTT Yes Fred I'd like to call your attention 1313 ER DA DA ee ee $0 Saino AE, amd ron RPO Sp E RE Ses weaSRDS retOe amAyPIO AF MINTSeeAS CAT DOIAGT SUSU SU c SU ED MEN Ee 21 21 eNOS2222 \ ... i i" Regity bbe : tt i 2323 i standards and that will be under .21 3 and that's on page 22807 MR FARMER 2 did you say MR.MEMMOTT B Employees required to handle or orte useuse poisonspoisons caustics and other harmful substances shall be ye instructed regarding their safe handling and use and be made aware of the potential hazards personal hygiene and personal protective measures required MR FARMER I think that handles it ^' i THE THE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN don't think I we need it think don't need ! MR MR MEMMOTT MEMMOTT An And d as you gentlemen gentlemen gentlemen know know know from from past meetings meetings meetings wewe'v' e we've ve had had had whore whore I've I've been been involved involved this this this is is one one of of erm oe rem 81 81 my favorite sections and nr Pret it was one of my favorite ones when et o?e was in the field making inspections UM La WN 3 MEMMOTT To answer your question Fred I have no aay problem with with this this but I agree with the gentleman I think from the State of California that this this is a work procedure in process and it fits that more than itit does the standard I thitn hik nk when you compare it to 21 where we do have it a a in couple of places ZZA Of course in my experience also Fred in the field 0 with contractors contractors and subcontractors subcontractors has been that many times 10 1010 10 they read only the section to the particular work they're they're SEM involved with at that time It's in another section soms- . OTE sry seNtae S where I've found that many times they'll petar the document READIN the whole regulations are not read thoroughly aR29a TEeye THE CHAIRMAN Well protective measures required are included in this particular section I recommend we again do not include this as a recommendation to the Advisory Committee that we delete it entirely e MR SHORT so move Mr. Chairman MR FARMER You're making a motion then to remove a oe se cage THE CHAIRMAN No not Under Five Five Five FLATI All right ery, ae PL eaSes 3b 3b 3c ned. stuff and 3d at , 3c , an an dd 3d at the a wrt ams,in ** oe were} ~ rae aor oF anne Petpavenirmt mK ee 5877 te Ao 01 aI ant wet mee g at the top top Is Is + 32 32 nei UTE ON mate ome ar, ws AEee ne ve Me ke Mute ae a re 5 23 23 2 a Be Now we come to five Introduction of Asbestos Fiber into Manufacturing Manufacturing Processes and when you put that in what you have in mind Frank Now wait a minute This document comes from you ee se g doesn't it MR MEMMOTT Oh yes I sent that to you and we received received received received rreecceieveidved receivedreceived received thisthis this Health from from from from thethethe Health Standards crew so regarding Health Health , Health Health Health Health why Mr. Bill and Bill and Mr. Tom is your man But I'll be happytoto explain anythinganything you ask me nal MR ANANIA tell me from a construction ata Rnrta we standpoint do you get asbestos raw out of a bag THE CHAIRMAN x MR ANANIA You get it in some form like a pipe covering or a sheet that you can put up ered THE CHAIRMAN Or UUNINDENTIFED IDENUNIDETNTIFIED IUNIDENTIFIEDFUNIDENTIIFUINEIDDENTIEFIED D PEPERRSON SON PERSON PERSON PERSON You You get get it it in in mortar a dry mortar and and . pack it MR ANANIA It would have a mortar mix right mortar mix mortar mix a a mortar mortar mix le C tesla C ae we e e LOA ae ald Ca om 3 * B ree) Sem3 ET oss~e LWT 12 12 Ed1313 EEE 5 72 Ef 2525 OLNCM2 ON ELE LEE 337rr CE EEL woe y, OE12 12 OC CO 2121 RETR TE - - OE eg ate oe TTS DE fema aa Ee 83 . all thing thingthinthging is is MUST CAN Well Well it'sit's iit'ts's been been prepared preparepdrepared preparedpreparedpreparedprepared, It's It's It's got got got alalll al the the in it's all preared ingredients ingredientsingredients ingredients ingredients ingredients ingredients in it add and and and all all you youyou reralley alrleyallyreally really addadd to to it iitt is is is waterwater water , ingredintisngredints ingredintsI guesgs uess guess . MRMR . ANANIAANANIAA NANIA : We'Wree're We're We'reWe're talking talking talking talking talking talking about aboutabout don'tdodn't on't aboutabout to' don't don't knokwnowknow know this how howhowhowthisthis this then wouldwould applyapplyapplyapplyapply then . THE THE THE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAICRHAMIARMNAN proces procpersoscepsrsocespsrocessprocess process , not a manufacturing already already We'reWe're manufacmtaunruifnagcturing manufacturing manufacturingtaktenakentakentaken We're mixing mixingmixing mixingmixing it it really rreaellay lly manufacturingmanufacturingmanufacturing manufacturing process procespsrocess process process care care carecareof proces thatthatthat hat really. It'sIt'Ist'sIt's mixingmixing mixing the the the openingopeninogpeningopening openingopening opening bags what andanad nd whatwhat whatnotnot MRMR , tion tiotn ion sites sitessitessites orgoin goinggoinggoing toto some somesome some material FARMER FARMER: SoSo about abaoubtout the the the only onloy nlyonly way wayway see see itit, onon on construc- FARMER So construc- it's eitherither eithereither in bags bags bags bags or oror something something something something something something somethsingomething something something that that that that that they'rethey'rtehey're they're a open uuppup or throwthrow throw throw into intionto a mixer mixer mixer mixer , or use use it itit thatthatthat that way material materialmaterial to You'rYeou'rYeou'reYou're You're goinggoinggoing goinggoing to wrap wrap pipe ppipie pe pipe or oror something somethingsomething something something 1 a Ot REP ETLIS ITO SER Tate i rire mann ae ne constcronsutrucc-- construc- construc- Te ay Amey mare wmyee form ones like likelike thatthatthatthat MR MR . 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SHORT : answers answers answers answers answers my my my be be donedone donedonedone unless unless unless unless unless unless you you you voco voco voco you you , you if if you you you and and and mortmort ri e together together together together together together togethertogether together for for for thethe the the Nawal < ( me 8686 NE a aT gery . wee brickmason brickmason brickmason brickmasobnrickmason brickmasbonrickmasobrnickmason brickmasonbrickmason , is is that thatthat a manufacturmianugfacturing manufacturingmanufacturing manufacturing manufacturing manufacturinmganufacturingmanufacturing procespsrocessprocesprsocess process process process? 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ANANIA ANANIAANANIA : But doesn'tdoesn'tddoesn'ot esn't the the employee employeeemployee employe employeeemployee employee employee also also also havehave have thte htehe right right rightrigrhitght to to complacionmplain complain complain complain complain to OSHAOSHA OSHAOSHA forth and andand so so forth fortfhorth forth , and and and if thesetheste hestehese and anad nd everything everythingeverything everything everythienvgerytheinvgerythingeverything and everything this don't don'tdon't don't don't feel feel feel feel thitshits his is they'rethey'rethey're they're they're " right right right ? 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SHOFT SHOFTSHOFT SHOFT : night et emma | won c~ > re \ ~ i ni. ae aT ce t sedan pie $. mae tre 5 rave en setasat 8 ct ENE sot - . - ee . . soe aeeose Le meee THE CHAIRMAN serene Ae re mts UA And you want to contain the material that aren may be left in them ad MR ANANIA Why do you want to do that et THE CHAIRMAN Decause you a have great deal of it then W 63 | a 7 8 i fe , gu ti MR ANANIA What do you mean have a great deal THE CHAIRMAN ' Well you're opening a number of bags , MR ANANIA If you break it and it's all over the place you're going to have a great deal of it ; is if the limit is two the limit is two The thing THE CHAIRMAN This doesn't say anything about broken 85 i j 330 i 13 | bags MR SHORT No it says empty bags . or other containers which which have contained contained asbestos fibers fibers something That's something you 14 fi can put your hat on I mean the compliance officer could 20 ti 1 33 hy hang his hat on that And he could issue a citation butI don't know just how in the hell - To me b is nothing but sy7] A Hi 73 73 j 20 | harassment to the employer ; MR ANANIA . Okay In other words . if a bag comes that . is broken -~ it's on a pile that is broken there's nothing anybody can do about it is that right ga en i 4 i fi 1.8 1.8 Hy $ ; , GO 4 1 By se dy : - Fs H MR FARMER That won't fit b then TTHEHETHE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN It It won't won't won't fit fit b b that's that's that's right right That's That's That's what what I'm I'm saying saying saying MR FARMER FARMER FARMER If we If we do do that which which which which I I did did did second second second it it it but butbut I'm having I'm having recond recond recond recond recond recond recond thoughts thoughts thoughts thoughts thoughts on on it it it In In those those operations operations operations operations operations where where where where where MNS SL # RE TT 2 3 SoG * be ee eye vw ele 1 * 93 93 : 8 agre bagged bagged bagged bagged bagged asbestos asbestoas sbesastboesstos asbestos asbestos asbestos asbestos fiber fiberfiberfiber fiber is being being beingbeingbeing used used usedused , thethe the fibor fibor fibor fibor fibor boys boys boys shalslhall shallshall tae shall tee being Seg ar ive sta ion arrivearrive arrivarerive at at thethe the workworkworkwork stationstation stationstation stationstation inin clean cleanclean cleanclean oozaltionoozaltion oozaltion oozaltioonzaltionoozaltionozaltion oozaltion oozaltion free free free fiber fiber bag's fiberfiberfiber onon the the bag's bag'sbag's bag's surface surface surfasceurfacesurface surface surface . 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FARMERFARMER FARMER FARMER FARMER : AsAs a minimuminimum minimum minimumminimum minimum minmu yes yes yes , THTE HETHE me BvorythingBvorythingBvorything BvoryBtvhiongrythingBvorythinBgvorything Bvorything Bvorything Bvorything that'sthat's that's that's that's that's writtenwrittenwritten written writtenwritten has hahsas gotgot got to toto be be be - 94 94 UR. on < en Eanes 1 enefnforoceabrle ceable Tom in in way way some some ee mee emp nba Lares, ean ae Maer 7 $ . 59 10 10 Merut BR Rate 23 23 comneern BeityesTgrare ye repv wipenar Rey rey Lrerne r om a o e, erey a wen fs f. paten res 10 oF ede aed WW C.x2 ~nera:ed Ee WT Ee are d ne e THE CHAIRMAN It's also got to be compliable You know what I mean by that MR FARMER You've got to think of a guy out there Tom and that's the -- There's two people that's going to be using this It's the employers the employees and then the safety engineers that's going to enforce enforce it it . one There has to be a meeting of the the minds They both understaintd in other words , The employer sayssays All All All " right right right He He He reads reads the the thethe statement he says Oh that's how I'll comply with this Then also the safety engineer has to be able to read it and te aon oa 2 say If he doesn't meat the standard then he's not in compliance So that's a separate thing MR ANANIA Well there's something going to have to ote Fa in be put here about broken bags etc. then bd ede Bale MR FARMER Agreed I think we can do something wm Don't we have -~ Let's see In this BU- THE CHAIRMAN Yes MR STEFFAN Bill Steffan Department of Health if if we adopt statement be be cleaned up up properly properly properly and and and need is need * need is c c that that that that spill spill should should should should I and and I think think think i 95 95 C sane 43 pop saee i 6an Semne se EPtag ae er Af TINE teh ir?s MAY cme re NAR ore aae SET te 2 ~ mB c - ey Ln ty 62 7 5 orn 23 FW 39 oe you you you probably probably probablpyrobably probablyprobably probablyprobaly MR MR . FARMER FARMERFARMER have havehavhe avehave it ther inin there there therethere someplace someplace someplace someplace someplasceomeplacesomeplace else elsee lse . FARMER FARMER : I think think think think Tom TomTom , what's what's what's what's going going going going throughthrough througthhrough through throughthrough all all our our our our minds minds minds here on the broken broken just a few fibers fibers on on amenableamenable amenable amenable to it just is to the motionmotion is to includienclude c emptyempty empty empty empty bags whicwhhich whiwchhich havehavehavehave contaicneodntainedcontained containedcontcaoinnedtaicnoendtainecodntainedcontained asbestaosbestoassbestos asbestos asbestos asbestaosbestaossbestos, wouldn't wouldn't woulwdno'tuldn'twouldn'wtouldn't wouldn'twouldn't thtahtatthatthat prettypretptyretptryetptryettpryetty wellwelwlellwell spel . , spelslpell spell spell itit bubtutbut ? - MRMRMR . 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ANANTE ANANTAENANTE ANANTE : : WellWell WellWell, you you said you you said saidsaid thisthisthis aboutaboutabout abouatboutabout 3 e STADE - IN 9696 OT SL e andand and youyou dodo read read read read itit overoverover over carefully carefully careful y careful y carefully careful y careful ycareful y , I suppose suppose suppose suppose suppose suppose suppose it it is pretty pretty prpertettytyprettypretty o tn iat ter nebulos intent is Cae nebulousnebulousnebulonusebulounesbulonusebulous nebulous , but but thinkthink thintk hinkthink thethe the intent intentintentintent intent waswaswas in casceasecase case there there there is is a oman oye: breabkreakbreakbrebarkeak . aah tor ne CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN it's cee errant THETHETHE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRCMHANAIRMAN: doesn't doesn't ThatThaTt hatThat doesn'dtoesn'dtoesn'tdoesn't doesn't saysaysay itit when 2 MRMR ANANAINANIA ANANIA : That's That'Tshat'sThatT'shat's rigrhitghtrightrighrtight . it's I saysay it's pretty pretty nebulous e what That's there prety oto ee ne broken cc butbutbut whatwhat they'rethey'retthehy'erey're they'rethey're probablyprobablyprobablyprobably probablyprobably probably implying implyingimplyinigmplyiinmgplyingimplying implyingimplying is if if there thertehere is is abroken vows Stn something clif ad bagbagbag oror something something somethinsgomething somethingsomething , andanad nd cliff cliff cliff cliff isis righrtightrightrightright CHAIRMAN THETHETHE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CCHAHIRMAANIRMAN CHAIRMAN : WhyWhy Why don't don't don't don't you you you add add add thisthis this this atat . this es b? 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OE eRET e ter LAST se it says okay when you talk about respintrespintor or respintor respintor respintor respintor that's that's that's got to be a approved respirator because because if you use one of those surgical masks you're not doing anything so that is taboo will show you that this this is is what you shall do but to say that you've got to wat that whole room down when you demolish I see no reason why you have to make that a shall and then say something about about about about wo can enforce that but we can't enforce asbestos fibers laying around or pallets e and so forth MR PAPMEH I think we xaervad all that Tota I mean Oe et as we've been going through it we've been removing that kA MR NAJIA No. What's throthu e wg hoh le docuront Were Were thorth thorth thorth thorth That's That's what what what im > - getting getting getting a a hese hese hese hese shalls shalls shalls that that that youyou''ve ve you've you've got got to do do this this : Son ven Uo gob gob gob do to do that that that Why Why don't don't we we make make make that that that a a performance performance performance performance standard standard standard standard say say you you should should should do this should follow thang thang thang , and the only thing that you shall do in like like like the respiratorsand and and you shall follow the standard MR FARMER So that you will not have the exposure If you do have the exposure you use this tyre of equipment i I think think I think tthhe e document document document is is going going to to refloot refloot refloot refloot that that as as we we work work work work work Does Mr. Worsen have anything Delia ank My Warzen om os 16 16 1.5 1.5 117 117 17 GE Ra vn 2323 ae 21 21 3 R Ae) oT ne gt ae SS een MR WARREN As wurderybul that you were discussing basic philosophy of writing tendards really and I don't know if we can get into that here The town performance performance standard to me means the setting of limit you won't people beyond cxpose cxpose cxpose cxpose cxpose people people a certain level and however you do it would be left to the employer I hellove that's what performance standards means as we use it anyway and specification standards would be defined in exactly how you pro- ceed to do it In other words you'll have so much ventila- tion so many feet per minuta and that kind of thing It's specifications rather then porfynance in our terminology And And And And getting getting getting back back back to ttthhiihrrddithirrd d ththird ird Tyee ty third Rie y y coucloduld always always always saf saf saf saf saf , mixtures mixtures mixtures mixtures of mixtures mixtures of mixtures mixtures mixtures practices practices practicespracticepsracticespractices practic, es certain certain certain certain certain certaicn ertaincertain achieveachieve this this this . sporification sporification sporifcation sporifcation sporificatiospnorificatiosnporificationsporifcation sporification sporification clieve will will will ad oclieveclieve clieve clieve clieve clieve clieve clieve clieve clieve clieve clieve clieve clieve will , cemnt But But ButBut you you you cee could could could could could jujstustjusjtust just just have have have have thethe the , perfor perforperfor perforperforperfpoerrfor perfor perfor r 7ane requiremntrequiremnt requirement requiremenretquiremnt requiremnt requirement requirement requirementrequiremrequiermnttrequirement requirement requirementrequirement requiremnt . and and and mend eine standard have the en modmeodemodemode modemode mode . 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When one came aboari why I helped train him in the 22 22 Be aa 4 aa oF Pa think it -- Personally I think a safety engineer is just as compotent and in many of these areas as an industrial hygienist a rete MR ANANIA Oh I wich you hadn't of said that Mer natin Just saying an industrial hygisolat mel a ompetent as a ane eee had DEAT the safety engineer the cocaly lyrics es engineer in cocaly cocaly lyrics lyrics lyrics lyrics lyrics lyrics lyrics lyrics lyrics lyrics had lyrics lyrics has has that that that that a training training training I'd I'd I'd never never b beeable able to to buy buy that that I. 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?? in . 2 itit itit , youyou youyou 1111 falls falls falls falls falls falls , falls falls which which which which which contains containconstains contains contains contains asbestos asbestos fibers asbestos asbestos ffibiebrsersfibers asbosion asbosion asbosion asbosion asbosionasbosion asbosion YouYou You can cancancan take ' If itit it it ot we materialmaterial materiamalterial material material material material containcionntagining containing containg containing containing contain g containing containing containg insulators insulatoinrsuslators insulatorsinsulators insulators insulators insulators insulators that that contain contain contain contaicnontain abortos abortos abortos abortos abortos abortos abortos abortos abaortosbortos fibers fibers fibers fibers fibers and divergentddiviergevnt edirverggent endivertgent divergent dustdust counts bag of of cement IIt t It odvamen odvamen odvamen work work work practice practice practice practice practice , and and which which whiwchichh which I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll in in the the the thethe morningmorning morning morning morningmorning morning morningmorning . have have have have allall thisthis this this this in in . these these thetse hese these these are areareareare thethe the thethe typetypetypetype type type . of of of of aa a itson itson * to that that leavons leavons leavonlseavons leavons leavons leavons leavons leavons today today today today today f . te Co we! 5 ay ay ay ay , the the the the ~ os ro . aom an o, grood gro d grood grood as groogdrood grood gro d as as as; a lot lot lot ne e ee nT ine otraeet = mt em Whe BT ae re Me ENT eyo Nt TEraamen val ar) TS that that that that that that that saying saying saying inte inte inte inte inte ts f Wy Stade ap . of the Committee oan 1 one extremely extremely offcutively Oe kuus E mAapee we have one fun of objective objective and the is to stop stop the the the fun fun ye an do it wherescever they occur occur and wr nen ah eae ye establishing establishing by and and standerd standerd standerd standerd and by perhaps = e mandatory mandatory mandatory mandatory e procedures that would be of excelle ae ers agersSY te e a Sp e Se Sn lew ee oS SRS ees ceapmintl se k pliance pliance pliance , officer officer officer officer because I'm going wid and I'm going to be doing wid battle wid wid that sempliance over dust counts counts counts when the arulatio goes into provision provison provision provision provision provision provision provision provision provision provision in inin portently bee drafted, thereby I one instance instance instance instance instance I and and I can't can't can'can't t can't quote quote is is exactly exactly exactly exactly exactly it it talks about if it has loon protin protin that that particular particular particular type of usage application whatsoever it maymay be through dust count ' samplings does not exde d exdeed exdeed exdeed heshold hheesshhoolldd heshold heshold limits that you no longer have ting conduct this this conduct this i Well that sure in 4 , tha lat r t' hats 's never never never that's that's that's going to be very very difficult to tie down down . I want to say to this mmittee Light now that I think every member of the insulatioinsulnation contractors contractors industry is going to be vehemently opposed to chis dust dust count testing procedure as important importainmpotrtant asas it may be and he's going to avoid that procedure like be possibly can Fortunately there are Sa, tumortusmors few places left the volca volca voing any oe 221 & } cs mmata eriatl ermatei rial al with with asbestos asbestos asbestos is ace ace ace ace ace ace about in the + nehe 5 rd at pele part part part part three three three venue venue venue But But our our our prob prob ys bering bering bering bering in in the area of demolition removal of old old old malterial malterial malterial u cwh the the vary vary occasion i use of one of the lact nonining noninimantergials materials containing containing containing containing containing containing containing containing asbestos So I beseech you a Committee to give this very care- ful sseveervael ral approaches the practicality of i 63 the regulation itself for the protection protection of the man's health but specifically from the standpoint standpoint of the fielfdield ffieldield 7 compliance officer's interpretation of the regulation so that interpretation 11 AEN, 1 eas 16 te oe en. ... a we e e e Feo 3 e ne Pg ean ois pern aere et e Sen cae can act responsibly and know what is required of him won't going in I cancan can can can ane ane ane ane in where an stand the industry an creational pro- Se e the industry and written regulation can be written written , the easier or probably probably with total will be able to act in a rrespeonssiblpe ornessponisibblle eresponsible responsible manner for the man who'sworking with the materials well as being able in the to relate to the employer implementationimplementation and the employer employer interpretation of the regulation MR PARIER Mr. Chairman was through the ter MR Chairman Chairman Chairman through locking locking was locking locking through through locking locking pages that we've covered We ci.. Osbet tas plainir 4 yy a. wa his philosophy which hought gead , and think we all heading have PuEaAeS rrightight Alxertion about in the Alxertion We four o Alxertion heading in the right Alxertion We about four . have about have five five or six pccrts pcshcorrts ts tthhaatt that ' we oe ve ear ae a vu vu tik tik b that that that r it id ; 122 ; i : af . af t 4 oo $. , ne i 7 -# | u i " . 5 of of standard that would be a veneration veneration that | i would pull it out I think in the to do Tom is what you're saying ato Now nd what we're trying; EI me mae vsire going to be ster emai moving into the ama of monitoring 2t which the Chairman ar TA will take up in a few minutes but I think we've got it ore cet | basically down pretty well at the pidsent line nee There might MeL i but be a little wordage changes but You're You're the the capert in in the health just just what you're saying lr eee but but but a call the for the limited limited cee limited wpe pane . 8 exposure and the type of equipad equipad equipad We have a few | i at - 4, 7 J di \ ye i oi i ant t | ant eat other items in in - here like like you mentioned mentioned mentioned . cy . think I think we're pretty pretty pretty pretty well down getting down to get ing thren thren but but but overall / overall overall j what what they they they can work work | with | This'll be before the full ciel a of other time i t | oo I think we should take some of these con . THE CHAIRMAN I think we have to disciss disciss it : | : : : ee cree oeeens rt 27 Ur Ce 17 17 ee E ON ee IT panerarap 17 tle 4 ft 21 21 4 H ft CGA CGA ory . I aa i a an I os . " an Joe do you have pay rents to this ew has point er Okay We duly note on the record your comments and I thank you MR ANANIA Thank you MR MEMMOTT Mr. Chairman THE CHAIRMAN Yes sir | audience ' MEMMOTT MEMMOTT the MR MEMMOTT gentleman the audience | For the gentleman gentleman from from testing f is far testing as testing that is point out that as far testing as far would like to out as there would like point I to out that there } all these concerned concerned counts it's my understanding \ on it's it's understanding understanding that that these go go to two laboratories one in Salt Lake 03 and another one | in Cincinnati and they to them by , bri mge you know 123 123 123 e 7 noe 7 aw 39 39 , ,, , 13 13 14 inconsiten counts counts inconsisten inconsisten inconsisten way counts counts inconsisten inconsisten 30 that inconsisten way way so that that i i of of of y the the et deviation deviation deviation deviation deviation Poe * and possibility of wide variation of interpretation It's like reading an Ray Fred you may get a different plute than myself reading or Jay or Cliff If I'm taking 50 count which eS i ear I've taken I guess thousands of air reples my life we this I will interpret at the time of the inspection you know with the detector tube or if it's an explosive meter or a methane detector or this type then tha will be done by the compliance officer whether that compliance officer is a safety specialist a safety engine or an III industrial hygienist hygienist hygienist hygienist but but the the complex complex complex ones are are are cco on nt toffofofffanda a nn d ddondone e in in the the lab and a report cones back MR BRADSHAW Yes indeed Mr. Maumot and that is perhaps the initial concept of the ragulation that sent us all into orbit at that time as we investigated the available sources for the fiber counts and recognized the logistics logistics logistics logistics logistics logistics of of 21 i t! a ii dd i {i peWe we fo$02 the whole program In trying to handle it in practical manner we came to a conclusion at one of our special meetings that we could train our own people I believe as has been voiced here today| to take the dust counts themselves but then of course 3 t having taken the cartridges they muni bo valy very carefully pacpkackaaggeded and and sealed sealed sealed and and mailed mailed mailed to to the the nee tyr courses courses courses that that that that you you | mentioned mentioned mentioned which which would would would then then to to to re re gay gay to or to to or then then w we e to a Saws t ang af HEARINGS ERM 3 MATTEROFOF Mie OR ee ADVISORY COMMITTEOEN CONSTRUCTION SAFETY AND HEALTH San California oe - oe Lots a VOLUME PAGES . - . 181 thru 353 INCORPORATED FEDERAL DATA RETRIEVAL SYSTEMS ma 1755 South Jefferson Davis Hwy Suite 1101 .|- ; Arlington Virginia 22202 coe . CS 703 920-7680 Oi gen aus pults back in hag ges tebe patio You this this 4 .C wrap oe THE me disgusting sething disgusting disgusting to mo 4 a lang so of results of a testing progiem How the the a job going get the eet going to to keep keep keep enrree ete We pen woes MR MEMMOTT MEMMOTT MEMMOTT Is Is that that Maybe Maybe Maybe tom tom can can e eet oN ewr. ee Game ... No E e pae If we're requiring contractors test and they have only two places thay con soud this consumed. JR ANANIA No let let let me cisar cisar cisar ae suk 10 10 10 TS me oars cman rerenrmn eT a OplaOnplan Oplan me Oplan Oplan Oplan Oplan Oplan sects sects sects sects ene Pm geen eae we cee dren MC MC ANANIA ANANIA ANANIA ANANIA Who doesn't doesn't doesn'? t The The The comercion comercion comercion comercion comercion comercion right right right He's He's He's He's got to get his own Ox Jiko i say 100 could set Vp - , field office office out there there and then then oeVr ets and then esge pese pese pese contrast contrast contrast contrast microscope etc. and you could do your cn if people were ROE a OE ee FO EY ME Rn tn eR UFR CHAIDHAN All eight eight I think Deb's Deb's Deb's table table table document document document document na we will will not set through through in through through in a Laker aE i re +, of - 2 fe Be ge get ne e me ne x . 125 125 Toe i ~1 :: 3 c ae this elinated elinated elinated elinated this elinated whatevwehratever whatever whatever whatever whateverwhateverwhatever this protective goral goral protective protective protective protective protective protectpivreotective this oe equipment equipment equipmeentquipment equipment equipment sectiosnectionsection isis on on page page page for for for for ; Verive Verive so so < cressed cressed cressed cressedcressecrdessed eS eT, - LOS CE 3 out . MR MENOTT MENOTT MENOTMTENOTT : I believe believe believe believe ed r , ed , thai thai was was done done byby thethethe 1910-26 1910-26 1910-261910-26 1910-26 CommittedCommitted MR FARMER onon thits his this andand Com it ed Committed Committed Committed, was was itit not not not ? FARMER FARMER : The NationalNational National NationalNational National National AdvisoryAdvisory Advisory Advisory Advisory Advisory Committee Committee ComitCeommitteeCommittee don't don't this this this was was was toto my aa = ownown own own own own t I don't don't , we we voted voted votedvoted know know know know verbatim verbatim verbativmerbatim oo o3 TLS marPy ai e<3 ' 3232 we ere e- 1313 Euo 83 . aa a~ - wee os SE10 10 at a a- ee 2222 4 t. TEL 8% wisum but but everything everything everything everything atat the the National National that that time time . thatOVCI OVCI . that thatthatthat should should should should bebe nerneerenerenere , you las las , is whatwhat what what we we had had National National Advisory Advisory Advisory Advisory Advisory AdvisoryAdvisory ComitesComites Comites Comites Comites ComitesComites Comites whe whe . wet wet wet and voted voted voted votedvoted at at I have have havehave it across across acros across across thethethe - treet treet treet . can can can bring bringbrinbgring it it MR MEMNOTE MEMNOTE MEMNOTE MEMNOTE : Why Why , do you you youyou have have have have the = file file file with with you you you on - asbestos asbestos asbestos asbestos asbestos , youryouryouryour ARNOLDUS HR ARNOLDUS ARNOLDUS ARNOLDUS ARNOLDUS ARNOLDUS : records records records records records ? Nods Nods Nods Nods no no . ) MK MEMMOTT MEMMOTT MEMMOTMTEMMOTT : Fortunately Fortunately FortunatelyFortunatelyFortunately FortunatelyFortunately FortunatelyFortunately , cliff clif clif cliff we we cacnan chock chock , but but but dora , on on you'l you'll you'l you'll have have that that that that andand you know know , by the the the Secretary Secretary Secretary Secretary Secretary at at thatthat that CommittCeeommittee Comite Committee Committee Committee , you you knowknow know , thethethe time time time you you werewere were THE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMAN : the By the Seereta SeeretSaeeretaSeeretaSeereta Seereta Seereta ) y NR MEMMOTT MEMMOTT MEMMOTT MEMMOTT : Yeah YeahYeah , BlendaBlenda Blenda Blenda Blenda Blenda cut cut cut thisthis ThisThis would would would would would be lilneis nes lineslines through throughthrough through herehere herehere of cucesing cucesing cucesing cucesing cucesing cucesing cucesing cucesing this this this this out . THE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMCANHAIRMANCHAIRMAN : Okey Okey Okey , thatt hat that that meansmeans means means means we knocked knocked knocked knockkend ocked fullfull full Advisory Advisory Advisory Advisory CommitteCsommittes Committes Com it es Comites Committes Committes . MR that that that th's th's th's th's th's that tet an saying saying saying . THE GEALAMAN Recom endatioRencsomendations RecomendatRioenscommendations Recomendations Recomendations Recomendations GEALAMAN GEALAMAN GEALAMAN : Mearse Mearse Mearse Mearse Mearse thethe the ' oy a GEAL MAN Recommendations ofof the the Crast Crast Crast Crast~ . a4 ., C -/uw this this this thing : Sa Micory Micory Micory Micory off it off off , the the qe e mecee thing thing isis the the ae Micory Micory Cow Cow Cow hee hee 120 120 on 3926/1910 Project eatn on the the 3926/1910 3926/1910 Project on on Asbesto Asbesto Asbesto . Asbesto eae MR NEMMOTNEMT MOTT So I assume that tthh is is that ge MR NEMOT NEMMOTT NEMMOTT So I assume assume that this this FTI Compitte the actions of the full meanr THE preduced THE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN Who Who preduced preduced preduced this this this this document document document document document ? a Te oe didn't you e MR MEMMOTY Yes enn ene THE CHALAMAN And this was eliminated eliminated and you're er suggesting that we put back in here come HR MEMMOTT We felt in workday Fred to explain document we felt in working the rate rate Health Health Group and their new proposed asbeckes was was was where this was you know beat fitted for e oa RR document This is the reason it was out nee Te cover letter that I mentioned a tile ST MR FARMER Frank did this one From REN ry A this worked up is what I was wondering wondering Wee AE ee MR MEMMOTT What we did in in in - house house house househouse house house was a ees EN aeponee document which we got from Bill's shop he submitted to onee EOe and then we brok brokee this down to a side by oe a cross- 1 e reference to help you work with this prior 20 Tate T '? MR FARMER On page four of this thing were put in in double i there in reading which it e it says IIn n work work situations situations situations which in which the the Ta eT in paragraph c of this mention are of Chusible to an extent sufficient on educe the airborne concentrations of asbestos fibers to or below theexposure linits prescribed in paragraph b of this section And I was wondering what we're sayingsaying there MR MEMIOTT Bill ine ma MR STEFFAN Is this 3 , is , this -~ I can't read ON a the letter in the text EN FARMER Foux nae MR ee are THE CHAIRMAN I don't know what it metus either ene MR FARMER It just doesn't make any sense MR WARREN I don't understand that doesn't make sense It doesn't make sense without port of thin that you crossed out because it was a part of it I didn'dtidn't understand why that was crossed out in that manne What Mr. Gilbert has drafted included the left part and the part where his -- were hischanges and the changes are a part of the whole and you've taken out the whols and left a little 19 Ke 20 20 rene 31 ews F wo + ek 2 part so it doesn't make sense by itself MR ANANIA Because actually what you're saying here is you can eliminate engineering adminis ative controls and e a wen go directly to respirators which which is is notnot not not tight tight tighttight tight tight MR WARREN That's a situation i home the respirator is RAEE the first part of what you cab pe  . $ wth . 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MARKEN MARKEN MARKEN MRMMRR . ANAHITA ANHITA ANAHITA ANAHITA ANAHITA ANAHIATNAHAITA ANAHITAANAHITA : Yes Yes YesYes Yes . of have have havehave have a this this leen draft of draft draft ~ . leenleenleelneenleen draft draftdraft draft ofofof this this this ? procencive procencpirvoecencive procencive equiparntequiparnt equiparnt equiparnt equiparnt equiparntequiparnt equiparnt ? equiparnt equiparnt ? etae nh ei . the the the a " 2 2 wil yoyuou yoyuou ?? me are standard standard standard it's it's be In standard standard standard In In thethe the thethe standard standard standard standsatradndard standard standard standard standardstandard standard , 1970 1970 11997700 19170970 standastranddard standard standard standard standard standard standard , it's ( d) . MRMMR R . 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THE CHARMAN Well we finally finally grand grand that cethingcething upup thoon needed ventilation controls it did be fossible ca a a tempokoky tempokoky tempokoky tempokoky bbanaio nbianioo which which which which it it ccouoldulcoudld llo o lo & 12 & corp corp te aere corp and you say the light to Cho. . nt sehen se sernam job job job, ramen nemare a MR MR ANDHI ANDHI Watch Watch Watch I . 10 10 t . I - RD , Me EG . et tk GD oa 4 : i? ; . i to ' change change change work prey prey 137 137 137 n f : prey 701 are bed bed \ t t bed { if you're bed if you're you're ; Hi th i ~ dl he cs i\ ii i wou wou SH | ? i 8 2 . five it in you do it in an operation You You You may may be be to to go go go down down down ffivie vfive e 5 \ floors floors to do it it but but you do do it it in in that that that sua sua and and you you take take take it it t : : up there and do it rarathertrathher eratrher than than cutting cutting cutting it it all on on a a jojobb and and i so forth . I you remember you I I also stated stated stated that that that Right Right Right ? You i You work changed your work practices practices THE CHAIRMAN Oh let's not get into that We're going back too far to try to be accurate You did agree to it 10 Let me put it that way MR ANZIIA You've got to clarify it or you're going 12 | j 12 2.5 Ks ' i 5 to put me in the hole t THE CHAIRMAN It be wouldn't be that that if if you you didn't didn't didn't agree agree to it MR MR A ANN ANA IANIA You'You're rYoue're going going going to to put put me me in in the the holh e o hol lee wm 17 7 ; | e twce Spe @ aes nevad10 ee oe 20 20 rel Ai Y| 21 21 i ae y gaa + i ays fete at ol right going THE CHAIRMAN this page four We're sitting sitting sitting around around here fforor an an hh our ouhorur now without having moved inch without an inch i without having moved inch MR ANANIA Well I wake the motion that we take d 1 i i or 1 d1 -* isn't isn't isn't tthhaat t t t 0? 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TS programprogram progprarmogrpamrograpromgrpamrograpmrogramprogram , oF e Ron ne e e ee te page Be Fersonal protection hy iere a peal Se en ae REne eee perm a3 pEaerse ene ee an 0 eatsSe SEEeae to tacho tacho tacho tacho regaining unable to respirator respirator respirator or or that the safety othereemployersmployersemployers will be impaired MR ANA . AA : talking talking axy functions functions THE CHAIRMANCHAIRMAN : then But then we love to MR ANANIA ANANIA it but see it but THE CHAIRMAN : : to to the the next worne, determine that that that the determine that that wearing a the employee or here in pulmon- further further further further further further on . maymay be be here here here thatthat ve ve os Respirators ResRpirateorsspirators RespiratoRrespirators on a paso function function properly properly for exempleexemple exemple . They MR ANANIA : No. No. just just just I is <2 in have wheta is if Pe roewmt en men Tie Wh Wh if a guy that respirator respirator to wear wear a respirator respirator respirator respirator certain things you'veyou've got doesn't have a board board you've got to and and one of qua qua qua qua Ay em ( mers / 23 23 THE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN : : It'snot respirator respirator respirator respirator respirator respirator it MR . SULFFAN SULFFSANULFFAN: Ion't Ion't Ion't Ion't that Ion't that rE ne ante b ee 2010.120 2010.120 b 136 136 136 136 twenae wat ~ wa Mw ray ood MR AMANIAAMANIA 11. 11. 11. 11. FFARHIEAR RHIER: Waire on 16116919 1619 1619 . Well oe MR MR T TH HE E CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN You rater rater to l^ l^ da metagrah metagrah 2 on page 5 Evo Evo is miscate miscate miscate miscate MMR R SOKPTFIN SOKPTFIN SOKPTFIN SOKPTFIN SOKPTFIN Harry Harry P. P. Schatia Schatia dy F. Atkinson Com- one re letter from mi en ae somebody's had amphysema, with a beard and cet a TN whatever whatever, can't can't can't use and when you letter from doctors included included like in the California standardstandard comes in aroma stern e Uo rie ae sopest te ws cue ne, maybe it's included in this request enee see THE CHAIRMAN Tom that's included in anes ate or You brought a and I agreed MR ANANIA But should it be referencedrefreerefnecerdenced referenced then THE CHAIRMAN Personal protective equipment has to fit forgotten what exactly were the words we used but but it into account all personal protective equipment In other respirators masks neee, In other word words s respirators respirators respirators respirators airlairliine nairleine masks masks airline face masks MR SCYSTEIN One other point Section 4 1 Oe doesn't doesn't doesn't doesn't doesn't doesn't A any allowance for a very short Supation Supation Supation Supation Supation I what bat's what what whatwhat ' Ht THE CHAIRMAN : That peragraph peragraph peragraph peragraph peragraph is is in in for you even if if MR ANANIA to give 9 guy THE CHAIIMAN . Are we going to put put put this this going 7 tory deal or are are we going MR FARMER it took care of what Tom had in THE CHAIRMAN : What do do you you you mean mean mean mean , about e a sar TS Se CR A a see see see if if en On UR R cay a have you rl r > satcment In emergencies . In emergencies Ox some other words MR ANANIA and I didn't didn't find it it in in : it out going to have to get ANANIA ry On the notion that Tom did a a THE CHAIRMAN Soe Seas FACHER: Did you to a motion ewe MR ANANIA Yes MR MR MR Right eatAer 21 21 : Nobody seeded it me tae MR ANANIA Right me sTail ns} cm-aerer AprHeter PUI ir i erang Sa nw tn BinEde bunr ie 5.1 eeienul Pe (ar) een wy thewnarte MR FARMER Right Do you have to second it before you talk about it don't know if I want to second it or not THE CHAIRMAN You e about it if you want to "is MR FARMER Okay I second it with reservations Tom 55 In taking d and the double i there I'm trying to make sense out of Cra During the time period necessary to install the engineering controlscontrols and institute the work practices required by paragraph c of this section Then ee methods tyne we go in work situations again in which the methods prescrib- ey Re ed in paragraph c of this this section are either not feasible or feasiblteo an extent insufficient to concentrations of asbestos fibers to or below the exposure limits prescribed in paragraph b of this section the at Then I'll drop down to the bottom bottom of 2. The employer waret Dike shall select and provide the appropriate respirator from oldencee ee Table 1 and ensure that the employee uses the respirator aS provided MR ANANIA I'm saying that's all good apres The only thing we have is we don't specify that guys with beards ints ro because it does on the other page here talk about pulmonary other words what saying here the employer ere iner FEA WHAT ( TERD ss ! se vie monarews ! ENN aren - eee ee $ i i j \ , C - (~ C C C aLive ae Bs t HebeS a ST siae Se i; 2 i to be exposed to but but but it itit may may may not not be be proper proper for for for his his his physique physique physique i MR MR ANANIA ANANIA Right Right , MR FARMER Don't we use the word appropriate some- ^' where in here I guess -<- I think we do i MR ANANIA It may be an appropriate respirator but 6 it it doesn'tdoesn't doesn't doesn't doesn't doesn't say anythinganythinganything anything anything anything aboutabout aboutaboutabout 5 i 7 MR FARMER In 1926 days 8a a ; 10 i ul Ti i i \ 13 13 THE CHAIRMAN All right let's not balabor that Let's get to the point of getting this 74 Either we accept it or we don't accept it We can get to your point later on sure it's that it's taken taken in care of in another BU I'm MR ANANIA If it's taken care of that's fine THE CHAIRMAN Because I remember the discussion MR ANANIA I only brought the point out I move that that that we accept that like it is Not like it is but with the ote sown 83 83 near, ea Los] te elas Soom 20 20 $ ba : : fl 2121 | H nn motion I made and also include two in there MR MRMR MR MR . FARMER I'll second that THE CHAIRMAN ii you mean MR FARMER And number two MR ANANIA And number two THE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN Isn't Isn't that that that part part part part of of ii ii FARMER FARMER MR FARMER No. ii ii is is of part of one and then then then we we have have have re oA a BIS me OE a ss 22 SHS te IPRPR me ae Aa oy pre PORyg Ae ne Die 4 aten ny ie eer enae terse ene Wier fae matey ans oe CeO in put respiratory tam put that that that that in the the respiratory respiratory respiratory protective protective protective area area Is Is this this ddiiffefrdi-fferf- er- ent than it was befobrefeore before beforebeforebefore ? AreAre Are thesethese thesethese these requirements requirements requirements requirementsrequiremnts requirementsrequirementsrequirements requirements requirements requirements requirements differendtifferent different differentdifferent different different different than the requirements we had before MR SHORT As I readit Fred allthey've done is submission omitted the word technically the submission submission from the Health Group They've They've omitted the word technically and ii and they've inserted the words down in the last sentencesentence to or and the word exposure That's the only change I see and I'm not sure they changed the meaning 33 33 aa Bey 15 > EeF6 kaLete ht 15 Sedat 19 19 aa THE CHAIRMAN Well one of the points that I'm I'm makingmakingmaking making making here is that this whole thingwas knocked out because it was supposedly contained in the respiratory protection portioonf the standard and is it ' Is this different now Is this respiratory requirement different going to Table 1 This business You're MR ANANIA It is because I've never seen that before Did OSHA come up with that MR WARREN This Table 1 is arranged as the standards completion project is arranging their tables for respirators and don't know that there's any big difference between it C fey 549 2323 23 23 respirator respirator respirator respirator respirator is is tto o be be used used under under the the the standarstanddardss standards standards standards completion completion completion completion MR MR ANANIA ANANIA ANANIA Fox Fox cix cix kaytonos kaytonos kaytonos kaytonos kaytonos andand this type this type type of tthhinging? MR WARREN Yes they're subject WARREN WARREN subject all to the all subject subject to the * : o 142 142 142 hes coh ee ~- see 3 logic logic logic logic andandand thethethe same sasmeamesame kind kindkinkdind ofof resultingresulting resulting resulting resulting resulting resulting resulting tablteabtlaeble table table . So So that'sthat'tshat'tshat'tshat's whywhy evanes writen whetr that's why oe it's it's it's written writtewnrittenwrittenwritten written in in this this this this fashion fashion fashion fashion fashion fashiofnashion, of of whetherwhether whether whether whether it it actuaallcytualalcytualalcytuallyactually actuallyactually 1 think 0 thinkthink thintkhink there's theret'shere'sthere's there's a littleittle littlelittle little changechange chacnhgaengechangechange fromfrofmromfrom thethe previouspreviouspreviouspreviousprevious previous previous. It It was was was . pargaphs and is =, written written writtenwrittenwritten inin paragraphsparagraphs paragraphsparagraphsparagraphs paragraphs paragraphsparagraphs herheerheerehere before before beforebeforebefore before , and andand theretherteherethere there is achangechange changechangcehangechange , I writen e think thintkhink , alsoalsaolsoalso . 0 0 MRMR . FARMEFRARMERFARMERFFARAMERR MER FARMER : Bill Bill BilBlill woulwdoulwdoulwdouldwould , thisthitshisthis be be thethe the same samesamesame proposalpropopsarl opopsroaplosalproposal propospalroposaprloposal inin the 7 thethe 1910 1910 19101910, samesamesame table table tablteable ? , , MRMR . WARREWNARRENWARRWENARRWEANRREN WARREN : Yes Yes , during the AsAs I learneldearnedlearned learneldearnedlearned learned duringduring during during during the last lastlast last break breakbreak breakbreak 3 ( 00 ieon 93 12 12 1313 2.52.5 * 55 I'm I'm I'm learning learning learning learning learnilngearninglearning learning thesethese these these a little little little little little little at at a time time time 13144 13144 thisthis this this righthand righthand righthandrighthand righthandrighthand righthand righthand column columconlumn columcnolumn as as writtewnrittenwritten writtwenrittenwrittewnritten herehere here waswaswas thethethe pro sal draft draft draft draft draft proposal proposalproposalproposalproposalproposal proposal of of Mr.Mr. Mr. Gilbert GilberGtilbert GilberGtilbertGilbert Gilbert . here THE THE THE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMACNHAIRMAN CHAIRCMHANIRMACNHAIRMAN : ExcerptedExcerptEexdcerptedExcerptedExcerptedExcerpted ExcerptedExcerpted . It'sIt's It's It's notnot not allallall all there thterheerethere there . . It's It's It's partialy onloyonlnyly partially partially partially partial y partialy partialy partialypartially therethere there therethere. TheThe whole wholweholewhole draftdraftdraft draft draft draft isn'it sn'tisn't isn't isn't onon thisthis this this . just Excerptd justjujstust excerpted excerptedxcerpteexdcerptedexcerptedexcerpted excerptedexcerpted excerpted wherewhere where where itit might might mighmt ight apply applyapply applyapply 57 It's It's It's It's MR . WARREN WARREWNARRENWARREWNARREN ; it itit waswaswas allallall i $ I'm I'm not not not sure suresurse ure . I thought thought thought thougththoughtthought thtathatthatthat letter letter letterletterletterletter said said saidsaid ! 87 87 RREE nary 2020 61 odct 23 23 23 23 2525 THETHE AgainAAgaginainAgainAgain , - notnot allallall oof f NoNo , no no , justjustjust just parts parts partspapratrs ts He He can can itit . I'm I'm I'm sure suresuresure thatthat thatthat can document's document's document's document'sdocument'dsocument'sdocument's document's telltell tell tell much muchmuch youyou . you bigger bigger bigger biggerbigger this than than thanthan thitshis this oneone one . MRMR . WAR EN WARRENWARRENWARREN WARREN WARREN : I've I've I'veI've gogtot here his his right rightrightright right here here herehere . be n his THETHE CHAIRMACNHAIRMANCHAIRMCANHAIRMANCHAIRMCANHAIRMACHNCAIRHMANAIRMAN: It'sIt'sIt's It's been been movedmovemdovedmoved and andand seconded seconded secondesdecondedsecondedseconded secondsedeconded. moved . a ; say sasy ay . MR MR . ANANIAANANIAANANIAANANIA ANANIA ANANIA : There's There's There'sThere's There'sThere's There's oneone otherotherother other other We've stipulate We'veWe've We'veWe've gotgot got to to stipulatestipulatestipulatestipulate stipulate stipulate stipulate stipulate herohero hero hero. onon thing thing thintghing thatthat that that I mymy motiomnotionmotion motionmotimonotion. wantewdanted wantedwantewdanted toto wantedWe've We've We've gotgotgot to to stipulsatte ipulate stipulate stipulate stipulastetipulatestipulatestipulatstipuelate down downdown here here here here thatthat that that do do cover cover cover thethe beards beards beards beardsbeards beards , etc.etc.etc. etc. CHAIRMAN to THE CHAIRMANCHAIRMACNHAIRMANCHAIRMAN : we've we'vewe've we'vewe'vewe've gotgot to to find find findfind out out out if if a ravisionravision ravisionravision ravision ravision ravision stipulaTeHE respiatoryespiratory respiratoy protecive iniinn thethe respiratoryrespiratory respiratory respiratory respiratoryrespiratory respiratory respiratory oror personal personal personalpersonal personalpersonal personal protectivperotective protective protective protectiveprotectipvreotective protective protective portiopnortionportion portionportion portiopnortion of of whers wherswhers whers whers we we a Scaahta eedh fitfit fit because , because becaubseecausebecause of of beardbeard variousvarious variousvariouvsarious problems with problepmrsoblems problemsproblems problems protectipvreotectipvreotectiveprotectiveprotective covered covercedovered covered protectiveprotectpirvoetective devicedevice device device0 . Is coverecdovered coveredcoverecodveredcovercedovered? oror particular particularparticulpaarrticular particular particular particular personalpersonpalersonpearlsonalpersonalpersonalpersonal personal nofuction g particular nonfunctioningnonfunctioningnonfunctioning nonfunctioninongfunctioning nonfunctioning nonfunctioning nofunctionig nonfunctioninongfunctioning nonfunctinonoinngfunctioning , ifif that's that's that's that's that's that's that's forthfortfhortfhortfhorth CASA W FredFredFred Fred mamyaymay havehavheave toto brinbgringbring brinbgring that thatthat on a vertivcaelrtivcealrticavlertical vertical vertical verticalvertical standard standardstandard standardstandasrdtandard, but but but have that that that is covered coveredcoveredcovered coveredcovercedovered inin 19101910 1910 standr standr Standard AncyAncAyncAyncy StandardStandarSdtandardStandSartdandard Standard . THE knokwnokwnowknow if CHAIRMAN THE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMAN: CHAIRMANwewe had had a revision revisionrevision revision revision revision revisiornevision somewhere somewheresomewheresomewherseomewheresomewhesreomewheresomewhere somewhere , thatthatthat . I wantwantwantwant to to thatthatthatthat isis still still still still still approvedapprovedapproved approved approvedapprovedapproved approved . MR MR HealtHhealHtehaltHhealtHhealthHealth . FARMERFARMERFARMER FARMER : FARMER . MEMMOMMEEMTMOTTMTMOTTMEMMOTT MEMMOTT MEMMOTT I thintkhink think think think , Mr.Mr. Mr. ChairmanChairmCanhairmanChairman ChairmanChairman Chairman Chairma, n cancancan I interjectinterject interject interject interject interject interject interject ? Excuse ExcusEexcusEexcuseExcuse meme , BillBill BillBill , areare are youyouyou revisirngevisirenvgisinrgevisirnegvisingrevisirngevisirnevgising overoveroverover respiatory the the the respiratoryrespiratory respiratory respiratory respiratory respiratoryrespiratory respiratory respiratory protection protectiponrotectiopnrotectionprotection protection protection protection protectionprotection ? inin MR . WARREN WARRENWARRENWARREN WARREN : TheTheThe sectiosnectisoenctionsection section section 134134134 is is notnot not a revisionrevisironevisionrevision revision revision revisironevision. MR . MEMMOTMTEMEMMOMTT MOTMTEMMOTTMEMMOTT MEMMOTT MEMMOTT : is notnot ? MR . WARRWENARREWNARRENWARRENWARRENWARREN : WeWe hadhadhad considerecdonsidcereodnsiderceondsideredconsiderecdonsideredconsidercedonsideredconsidered considered it it earlier earlier earlier earlier earlier earlieerarlier. RightRightRight nownow, Right now it's it's it's it's not not being beingbeingbeing revisedrevisedrevised revised revised revisedrevised , but butbut thestehese these these thesethese tabletsables tablestables tables , asas a partpart parptart of new new standarsdtsandardstsandarsdstandasrtdansdarsdtsandards MR Bill Bill Bill Bill Warren respiratoryrespiratory respiratory respiratory respiratoryrespiratory THR standarsdtsandards , areare are differentdiferent diferent diferent different differedntifferentdifferent thatnhan than thte hethe older olderolder older older diferent think than . MEMMOTTMEMMOTMETMMOTMTEMMOTTMEMMOTTMEMMOTT : I think thintk hinkthink that that that answersanswers answearsnswersanswersanswersanswers orangement orrangemeonrtrangemoernrtangementorrangementorrangemenortangement orrangementorangement orangement . the , 5S the questionquestionquestioqnuestionquestiqonuqeuessttionioqunestiqonuestion Fred Fred Fred . Warren WarreWnarrenWarren respiratoryrespiratoryrespiratoryrespiratorespiratory y advises advises advisesadvises advises adviseasdvises me me protection protectionprotection protection protection protection protection that that that that nono , section sectionsection sectisonectiosenctionsection . thetyheythetyhey areareare not notnot revisingrevisingrevisirnegvisingrevising revisngrevisingrevising protecion CHAIPHAN THR CHAIPHANCHAIPHANCHAIPHAN CHAIPHAN CHAIPHAN : I'm I'm not not not talking talking talking talking talking talking talking aboutabout about about about 19101910 19110 910. thethe the the MR . knoknoknokno * MX . MR . FARMER FARMER FARMERFARMER FARMFEARRMER : ANANIAANANIA ANANIAANANIAANANIA ; TheThisThe 19216 92169261926 This This onsons ons and 103 103 103 , I thinkthink think think think , willwill will will cover cover covercovercover it it . havehave have have ? I've I've I'vIe've read readread readread the thethe wholewhole wholwehole thingthing thing thingthing. Oo ge 2 30 1S XS oe rm 87 ange eas ae a & @ oY oe ars 88 cate oe$2 en 9393 o'e ee 8585 GA .43 ea eo 87 87 aenRET ez 8 on 880 0 2020 e, 2 2121 EER omagaa 229 9 I SE 2020 el e8383 2 but but but doesn't that doesn't that that that that that that that say anything anything anythinagnything aboutaboutabaobutoutabout a guyguyguy withwith withwith a bearbdeardbeard beard beard . aproved approved approavepdprovedapproved respiratorrespirator respirator respirator but respirator respirator respirator , it butbut it doesn't doesn'tdoesn'dtoesn'tdoesn't doesn't irefspiratorrespirator protectprotectprotectprotectprotectprotect himhim he'she's he's he's gotgotgot aa beardbeard beardbeard outoutout Sure Sure Sure Sure, youyou you cancan got got a anything's saysaysay anythinga'nsything'sanything's anything's cangot anythinga'nsything's anything's goinggoingoing going hereherheerehere . SeeSee See, that's NIOSNHIOSH was - THETHTEHE CHAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMAN : it's ButButBut it's it's notnotnot in in standard it's thethtehe standarsdtandard standardstansdatrdandarsdtandasrtdandard nnowownow , but butbut it'sit's it's the it's : of in one of the the revisions revisions revisiornesvisionresvisionsrevisionsrevisions revisions on thethe 1910-1926 1910-19261910-19261910-1926 1910-1926 1910-19126910-19261910-19216910-1926 5435 5435 MRMR ANANIAANANIA ANANIA ANANIA : I thoughtthougththoughtthoughtthought thought thought we discusseddiscusseddiscussed discussed discussed discussediscudsissecdussdeidscussed it it , FredFred Fred Fred . I thought to we diddiddid tootoo , THETHETHE CHAIRMAN but but evidentlyevidentelvyidentlyevidentlyevidentlyevidently evidentleyvidenetvliydently , it didn't didn't didn't didn't didn't didn't make makemake make itit intointo into into CHAIRMANCHAIRMACN HAIRCMHAINRMAN : It wouldn'twouldn't it wouldn't wouldn't wouldn't wouldn't be be herehereherehere . the thethe La dmet thoughthtoughtthought eysr ardae tape 4 tem ANANIA MRMR. ANANIAANANIA ANANIAANANIA : It It didn't didn't didn'tdidn't didn't didn't AN I into epna THETHETHE CHAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRCMHANAIRMCAHNAIRMAN : of None None None None of None MRMR . ANANIA ANANIAANANIA ANANIAANANIA : ThisThis This is is the eveneven even makemakemake make it it intio nto into into herehere hhereere them them have havehave have mademademade made itit intointo into hereherheerheere latest latest latest lateslt atest one oneone . yet yet yet . eter : etna ee ent Aer pe ooh ebLe nem The 190-26 lates THETHTEHE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMCANHAIRMACHNAIRMAN : The The 1910-26 1910-26 1910-26 1910-26 1910-26 revisionsrevisionsrevisions revisions revisions revisiornsevisionsrevisions revisions areareare still still still still kickikngickingkickingkicking kicking kicking kicking EAE Th someplace stil SHRM aroundaroundaroundaround around someplacesomeplacesomeplasceomeplace someplace someplace . They're They'reThey're They'reThey're They'reThey're nont otnot TheyThey TheyThey haven't haven'thaven't haven'thaven't haven't even beenbeen been HL have publishedpublished published publishepdublishedpublishedpubli, shed hahvaevehave theytheytheythey MRMR . ANANIA ANANIA ANANIA : Cee CeeCee whizwhiwzhiz . ERE : been ThatThat That That shouldshould should shoulsdhoulsdhould have have have have beenbeen been been ARNE in here here a OS long long time timetimetime ANANIAago whenwhenwhenwhen you you you firstfirst first firstfirst start start start start start start writinwgritingwriting writing writing writinwg riting aboutabout about aboutabout respiatorsrespiratorsespirators respirators respiratorsrespirartoerspiratorsrespirators LON Pere respirators . CHAIRMAN to THE THTEHE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMCAHNAIRMAN : Let's Let'sLet's Let's notnot get get get intio ntointointo thatthat thatthat . We're We'rWee're WWe'ere're goinggoinggoinggoinggoing going RMSart A talking the start start startstart talking talkingtalking talking abouatbout about about whywhy are are thethe tunneltsunneltsunnelstunneltsunnels tunnels dark dark darkdark . ae PapelMe ae you tunels MRMR ANANIA ANANIA ANANIA : WhenWhen WhenWhen you you startstart start start start talkintgalkingtalking talking talking talking aboutaboutabouatboutabout respiratoryrespiratory respiratory respiratroreyspiratoryrespiratoryrespiratoryrespiratrespoiratorry y te protecion emnrwth protection protection protection protection protectiporontection t talking areim MRMR. MEMMOITMEMMOITMEMMOIT MEMMOIT MEMMOIT: book bookbook ! the For For For the the record record record record recordrecord here here here here , and and and my . kB LFiI a using self also experience experience experience experience experienceexperienceexperience experience using using self self self containcedontainedcontained contained contained contained contained contained appexatusappexatus appexatus appexatus appexatus appexatus appexatus appexatus and and also also also also respirators respiratroresspirators respiators respirators respiratoresspiratorsrespirators muray cases apexatus respiators particular eacheach personpersonpersonperson person in my my mymy cases casescases cases has has has to to bebe adapted adapted adapted adapted adapted adapted to to a particular particular particular particular particular particular particular particular em 0 ' jem 4 145 x i Fat respirator Even some manufacturers fit one person better g t than than another Is this not your experience Fred How about you Joe MR SHORT That's my experience THE CHAIRMAN How about you Tom MR SHORT It's individual for the most part MR MEMMOTT That's right We have different facial 7 0 features MR ANANIA Sure that's good for the respiration 10 10 wre me OSE Tt itself but it doesn't say anything Well anyway with the exception of -~ We'll find out what it does with the beards THE CHAIRMAN Frank would you make due note of that ,,ot 85 85 ey MAT at - ' ePery 37 Ik Caen pS te * wast aS PM poland please sir MR MEMMOTT I certainly shall In fact I will give a call in the morning THE CHAIRMAN It's been moved and seconded that we reinstate the personal protective equipment one and one i and that we -- MR FARMER Two also THE CHAIRMAN What two Te 5 We're talking about this two aren't we MR FARMER No this two MR ANANIA This one also Wn TES T. ert ee ee om NEee SL statement stsatetmeanttementstatementstatementstatementstatement statement ~ 146146 st ML re ge t UNGARgr THETHE CHAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAICRHAMIARNMANCHAIRCMHAANCIHRAMIRAMNAN : AllAllAll rightrighrtighrtightright . terT ge Ser Et mthFY MR CHAIRMAN 33 PE eet on MR FARMERFARMEFR ARMEFARRMER FARMER : SoSo we the have havehavheave toto havehavehavehave thethe two two inin theretheretheretherethere . sary . FARMER RE Laem 5757 AM. Al eterayet All CHAIRMAN oom CHAIRMAN THE THETHE CHAIRMCANHAIRMCAHNAIRMAN CHAIRCMHANAIRMCANHAIRMACHNAIRMAN : All right right rightrighrtight . Let's Let'sLet'Lset's Let's do do itit in in twotwo two wayws aysways , wt ) protective aT Nneig a WilWlillWillWill youyouyou movemovmeovemove thatthathatthat we reinstrateinstarteinstatreinstarteinstatereinstate reinstate reinstatereinstate ( , personal personalpersonal personal personal personpalersonalpersonal protectiveprotectipvreotectiveprotectiveprotective protective protective protectpiverotective -, ee ae$0 = 3 equipment we equipment equipment equipment equipment equipment equipment equipment one oone ne andand and and ( ) , okayokay ? equipment okay MR . ANANIAANANIAANANIAANANIA: OneOneOne , oneoneone (i) , twotwo two 1) anadndand t { THETHE CHAIRMCAHNAIRMACNHAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRCMHACANIRMHANAIRMACHCAINRHMAANIRMAN: NoNo , nono . and CheCheChe and and oneoneone (i) becausbecaubsecausebecause becausbeecausebecause if if youyouyou 28 to 99 gogo to twto wotwo ( i) , you're you'reyou'reyou're you'ryeou're reinstatingreinstating reinstating reinstatrineginstatingreinstating reinstating reinstating reinstating reinstating reinstating this this this . or pet 30 " ae 37 MR . MR THE THE ANANIANANIAANANANIAANIAANANIAANANIANAANIA : ReinstatingReinstatinRgeinstatingReinstatingReinstating ReinstatiRngeinstatRienignstatinRgeinstatinRgeinstatRienignstating what what what what? CHAIRMCAHNAIRMACNHAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMACHANIRMANCHAIRMACNHAIRMACNCHHAIRMAAN IRMAN: That That , Let'd Let'dLet'd Let'd Let'd do thisthis this thisthis inin stepssteps stepsstepsteps . WilWlill WillWill you you 32 einstate einstate einstaetienstateeinstate einstate einstate einstate einstate this this this ? much mumcuchh muchmuch we 32 pecksatn this e MR . ANANIANANIA ANANIA ANANIAANANIAANIA: OkayOkay OkayOkay . 13 -ye Sned THE THE THE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMCAHAINRMACNHAIRMAN : OkayOkayOkayOkay? 1515 MRMR . ANANIA ANANIA ANANIAANANIAANANAINAANIA : ReinstatReinstate Reinstate ReinstateReinstaRteeinstateReinstate Reinstate (d) ( 1 ) andandand(1 ) (i) underundeurnderundeurnder personaplersopnealrsopneraslonalpersonal personal personaplersonal e 1155 Re 1717 Pacedi-st S 20ii1d s3 aw - 3030 2121 32 EUSA osfay ST 24 24 2323 ER protectivpreotective protective protective protective protective protective protective . protectiveTHETHE CHAIRMAN CHCAIRHMANAIRCMHAAINRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMCHAACINRMANHAIRMACNHAIRMAN: AnyAny secondseconsdeconsdeconsdecosnedcond for for for " thatthatthatthat ? an We've We'veWe've We'veWe've gone gonegonegone thisthis this this far far a oad far We'reWWe'ere'reWe'reWe're going going goinggoing going ddoown wndodwn owdnown thisthis this this far far . ADS on 8d MR . PARMEPRARMPEARRMEPRARMER PARMER : Okay Okay Okay , to to there there there there there , butbut including includingincludinigncludinngcludincgludingincludiingncludiinngcluding thitshis this this ? ? me ~ THETHETHE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRCMAHNAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMACHNAIRMAN : NoNo , we're we'rewe're we'rewe're doing notnotnot doindgoing doingdoing thatthat that that yet yet yet . MRMR . FARMERFARMERFARMER FARMER FARMEFRARMER : JusJt usJtust Just. to herehere herehere ? Meat IO! THETHE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHCAIRMANHAIRCMHAACIHNRAMIRAMNAN : YesYes Yes . R*T FARNER . FARNERFARNERFARNERFARNER FAFRNAERRNER : OkaOykay OkayOkay , I'll I'll I'll I'llI'll secced secced secced secced seccesdeced that that that , PONTa MRMR sec ed pamtN THE CHAIRMCAHNAIRMANCHAIRMACNHAIRMAN CHAIRCMHANAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMAN : OkayOkay Okay. All All All ? in favor favorfavorfavor ? Comite ispondo TT gt : ispondo ) Comite Committe aan ispondo ispondo ispondoispondo ispondo . Tar reams er coyomen eee ee em - i ...i i : THE CHAIRMAN All right Now make a motion this . MR ANANIA Move two over and also Arabic two THE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN Move to accept MR FARMER I'll second that t i ' ee ER Hy .t HUN Pm te ne Pate THE CHAIRMAN ii of the Health Section'sSection's recommendation and Arabic two of the Health recommendation Any second to that MR FARMER I second that IQ IQ \ fi : i THE CHAIRMAN All in faver Committee responds . Committee responds MR ANANIA recomendation delete Then we can make a recommendation to delete the last 4485 as we're concerned no. It's already already deleted as far far far MR ANANIA All right then Ces , THE CHAIRMAN The rest of it's already deleted We reinstated this part tanmuers MR ANANIA Okay ine Be PAGED eves we fan, & IME a "" CA"Y"/ ee PEAR IPIP 25 25 PRLS here MR MEMMOTT MEMMOTT MEMMOTT MEMMOTT MEMMOTT Yes Yes 20 20 , f L : MR MR MR S SS HORT H HO OR R SHORT TT Table Table 1 Table 1 is is 1 1 2 2 TTHHEE CH CHAIRMA AN ICHAIRR MAN CMHAIARMAN N Is Is on on ppaa gege page 53 53 53 Sa Sa , 5b Now in e TS ee eae ee Aen Se oe Ren nt aa 2 pagina enema EY Oh AS $ ws Eaveltnsiptae eae led 3 Vowen accepting accepting accepting acceptiangcceptingacceptingac epting motionmotion motionmotionmotion to ttwwootwo two two include include include include include include include include include MR MR . ANANIAANAANNAINAIAA NANIA ANANIA ANANIA : 1 , respiratoryrespiratoryrespiratory respiratory respiratory you including including Btn SR mE nem Re let's Well let's $ Well let's make let's mee Well Well let's let's a mers tht ishiths is this Okay Okay Okay . thing thing thing I make a motiomnotion motion motion motion motion thatthat thatthat we we we acceptac ept acceptaccept Re oe eS Table Table Table Table fiber fiber fiberfiber page 5a and 5b 5b have a rightrightright right The The same criteria criteria criteria whichwhich which you presented on 19101910 SN co will the table righthand same type type type type a of table of table on Pome that that ed identi- identi- identi- identi- identi- identi- identi- identi- .. EIN A 1313 2133 2133 THE THE CHAIRMAN CHAICRMHANAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMACN HAIRMANCHAICRHMAINRMAN : Is Is thertehere therethere any any anyany - further further further further further furtherfurther No comments comments comments ccomoenmtsmecnotsmments commceonmtsments. AllAll in in favor favor favofravorfavor ? THE THE CHAIRMAN CHAICRMHANAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN : None NoneNoneNone . opposed opposed opposed opposed opposedopposed . vertical standardstandard standard , going this is is is is to be a no references referencerseferences references references references references refreefrereencensces refncers eferences references references references references as understand as I understandunderstandunderstand it to 1910 right right right right ThTath'sat's That's That's right right right 20 RN er woe iiii , establishmentestablishment establishment establishmenteestsablishtmentablishmentestablishmeentstablishemsetntablishemsetnatblishment establishment of of programprogram program progprarmogramprogram a , yen 20 RE mE the same samesame AndAndAnd I don'dton'dton't don't thinkthink think think thte he standards standards standardsstandardsstandards standards standards ... 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MEMMOTT Bill do you have any comments on that oe just rot MR WARREN Well I know that that's a point point we've we've we've point herpbirance te discussed considerably and I believe it's in the standard is parinysuoePers now, and it was decided to leave it in this draft proposal ' aer A but not all of us agree with that but that's ~ MR MEMMOTT It's in the existing MR WARREN I think it is isn't it THE CHAIRMAN tell you that We didn't move it over from 1910 I can te -eecoma>rned td 13 13 Ayn neo Se 84 84 84 84 dag Na dae 15 15 pl tne 13 ee Spt lz tare Sad geo ae Pn Reckr Sea tae 22 reansqp Ae a Seab Wor? ane ae ae rie a) BY MenSaget es ete: aeet are MR WARREN On page 5 at the very bottom of the lefthand column that's a copy of the existing standard on the left side right right right right right , anad andnd you crossed out that one MR FARMER FARMER ThaThatt That That was crossed crossed crossed out out eexcusx e cuse me by the the THE CHAIRMAN So actually what has already beenbeen accepted by the full Committee this d is the only thing that should be left there In vii In other words the vii vii , establishment of program a and b are redundant so we don't have to do anything anything if if we we don't don't don't want want tto oto on on that that that that that Any comments MR SHORT My comments are the same as they were before standard standard standard standard wages wages wages and and conditions conditions conditions but but I don't don't don't don't think think think think it's it's it's ms ay us 5 7) 3 0 ; 3030 F om " "" " oe ot CREuD p 85 85 os ...' ... anyPe 142x3& waa 2020 aom 32 32 8 8 3 3web Be 350 MRMRMR FARMFEARRFMARMEERRFARMER FARMFEARRMEFRARMER FARME: R MRMRMR SHORTSHORSTHORTSHORTSHORSTHORT : seniorityseniority seniorityseniorsiteynioritysenioritsyenioritsyeniority . . 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MEMMOTMTEMMOMTETMMOMTEMTMEOMTMTOTTMEMMOTTMEMMOTTMEMMOTT No.No. No. It's labor It'sIt's It's reallyreally reallryeallyrealrlyeally a labor managementmanagement operatoipoenrationoperation operation operation operationperatioopneration , contractontractcontract contract contract operationTHETHETHE CHAIRMANCCHHAAIRIMCRANMHAANIRMCAHNAIRMAN CHAIRCMAHNAIRMAN : CHAIRMAN goinggoingg oignoginggoing to to leave leave leave leave - the leavedon't I don't don't don't don't know knowknow . contract contract . 1 we'll : Okay OkayOkay, we'llwe'll we'llwe'll the d Okay personal personal personaplersonal personal protectioprnotectiponrotectionprotectionprotectiponrotection that personal , is thatthat that 0 ) the thethe protection protection protectio, n WallWall , whateverwhatever whatever whatever whateverwhatever whateve. r (1 Wall , you've you've you'yvoeu've you've gogtot right figurfeigurefigure figure figurfeigure thethe the right rightrightright numbneurmbernumbernumber number , MR.MEMMOTMTR.MEMOTMR.MEMMOMTRT.MEMMOTMTR.MEMMOTMTR.MEMMOMRT.TMEMOTMR.MMEMORT .MEMMOTMRT.MEMOT MR.MEMMOTT : THETHETHE CHAIRMACNHAIRMCHAANIRMACNHAIRCHMAIARNMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN We'lWe'll We'llWe'll We'll We'll have havehavehave : Personal Personal Personal Personal PersonalPersoPnearlsonal to to take take take take Protection Protection ProtectionProtection Protection Protection Protection Protection care care care Protection . of that that that house house Employers 1. EmployersEmployeErsmployersEmployers Employers Employers Employers shallshall shalslhalslhall notnotnot assiganssignassign assignassign employeeesmployeesemployees employe s employeesemployees employeesemployees employees toto tasks tasks tasks tasks tasks requiring requiringreqruieriqnguiring requiring requiring requiring thtehethe of as ign respirators respiratorsrespiratorrsespiratroersspirarteosrpsiratorsrespiratoresspiratorespirators respiratorrsespirators if if based examiningexamining examiningexaminienxgamininegxamininegxamineixnagminingexamining physiciapnhysicianphysicianphysician physician physician physician basebd asedbased physic an physician on his his mostmosmtosmtost recentrecent recent recentrecent detrmines detrmines determines determinesdetdereminteserminesdetermines determinesdetermines determines thatthat that that the the examination examination examination examination examination employee employee employe employee examinationexaminatieoxnaminateixoanmination , employee employee wilwill an be function detrmines wearing unableunable unaubnlaebleunabulenable toto function fuuncntciotnionfunction function function function nomally nomallnyomally nomalnlyomallnyomallnnoymoallmyally wearingwearing wearing wearing wearing wearing a respiratorerspiratorrespiratorrespirator respirator respiratorrespirator respirator respirator or wil that that thethe We're ay 2 onan LER YI RT ERE SIREN TE, safetysafety safetysafetysafestyafety andandand healthhealth health health health ofof thethe the employes employes employes employes employesemployeesmployes employes employes oror other otherother other other employeempsloyees employe s employeesemployeesemployees wwilil ll will be be impairedimpaireidmpairiemdpairedimpairedimpairedimpaired bbyyby his his useuse use of of thtehe thethe respirrateosrpiratorrespiratorrespirator respiratorrespirator respirator respiratrorespirator . . ; NR . FARMEFRARMERFARMFEARMER FARMERFARMER FARMER : I makemakemake anotion notion notion notion notion notion notion we we accopt accopt accopat ccopt CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN SHESHESHE CHAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN , alreadyalreadyalreaadlyreaadlyreadlyreadyalready hers in in hersherhsers hers . No , no no . YouYouYou don't don'tdon't don't don't have havehavehave to do do that that that . MR MR . CHAINMAN TRE TRE TRE CHAINMAN CHAINMAN CHAINMACNHAINMANCHAINMAN CHAINMANCHAINMAN CHAINMAN NowNow about abouatboutabout about this this this this ? Now about No , No don't don't don't don'tdon't don't acceptaccept It's It's It's Gea IE LN Pet nt NRE A Meee eernte des 9 : 151 151 151 that's ar YoYu ouYou see see see , this thi, s we wewe havehavehahvaeve toto acceaptcceptacceptacceptacceptaccept . This This This This andandand this this this , that'sthat's that's that's that's . there this ong alreadyalreadyalready alreadyalreadyalready there This This This , wewe diddidd id. This ThiTs his was was was already alreadyalready already already already dodneondeonedone byby thte hethe ther Comite AdvisoryAdvisAordyvisoArdyvisoryAdvisoryAdvisoArdyvisory CommitteeCommittee Committee . Comite ee ety MRMR. FARMER FARMEFRARMERFARMER : OnOn thethe the national national natinonaltionnaatlionalnational national national ? OkayOkay OkayOkay . CHAIRMAN And THETHETHE CHAIRMAN - CHAIRMAN CHAIRMACNHAIRCMHANAIRMAN: AndAnd we're we'rewe're eitheerithereither either either reinstating reinstating reinstating reinstating reinstating reinstating reinstartienginstatinrgeinstatrineginstating oror leaving leavinlgeavinlgeavilngeavilenagvingleaving , G it it asas is is . YesYes Yes , sir sir sir . Chairman MR. BRADSHAWBRADSHBARWADSHAWBRADSHAW BRADSHAW BRADSHAW: MrM.r. Mr. Chairman Chairman ChairmanChaiCrmhanairmanChairman , ddo o wewe havhe avheavehave a repetition repetitionrepetition repetition repetitionrepetition repetition repetition repetitionrepetition 3 BRADSHAW Chairmand b theretheretherethere there between betweenbetween betweenbetweebnetween b andandand 7 ? 9 7 Health THE THE THE CHAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMACNHAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMAN : a Seven SeveSnevenSeven a and and and b araereare frofmrom from thethe HealtHhealHtehalthHealth Health * " recom ndati Health programprogramprogrpamrogramprogram programprograpmrogram or HealthHealthHealth HealthHealth recommendation recomendationrecomendatrieoncommendationrecomenrdaeticonommendation recomendation recomendation recomendrateiocnomendatiornecomendatrioencommendation oror HealthHealth HealHthealth Health proposalpropospalroposaplroposalproposal proposal propospalroposal , which which which whicwhhich 13 have fi wewe would would would would would havehavehave to to acceptaccept accept accepatccept accept . 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BRADSHAWBBRARDSAHADWSHAWBRADSHAW BRADBSRHADWSHAW real y Which WhicWhhich reallyreally realrlyeally really repeatsrepeats repeats repeatrsepeatsrepeats justjust just just whawthatwhat what wewe have havehavehave 19 aboutabout aboutaboutabout theretheretheretherethere on BRADSH( AW b- ). 18 CHAIRMAN THETHETHE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN : BuBtutBut thath'ast'sthatt'shat's that's notnot not somethisonmgethinsgomething somsetohimngething somethisngomethinsogmething that's that'sthat'tshat'sthat's that's going goigngoinggoinggoing to something 37 ther bebe inin there therethere . That's That's That's That's That's outoutout . OkayOkay OkayOkay ? 18 e n MRMR . BRADSHAW BRADSHAW BRADSHAW BRADSHAW BRADSHABWRADSHABRADSHAWW . OkaOykayOkayOkay - THE THTEHE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMACNHAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRM: AN We'reWe're We'reWe're We're . onon page page pagepage six six nownow . 20 7 SHORT Chairman six now MR . SHORT SHORTSHORTSHORT : Mr.Mr. Mr. Chairman Chairman Chairman ChairmanChairmanChairman wasn't wasn't wasn't wasn't therethere thertehere a motimoontionmotion motionmotionmotion to to 21 Oe recom ndation ? rejecrteject reject rejectreject reject the the Health Health Health Health Health recomendationrecomendation recomendation recomendationrecomenrdeatcionmmendation recommendation recomendation recomendation recomendationrecommendation Sre the Health ren 22 > * THE CHAIRMAN CHAIRCMHANAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN : Io Io , don't don't don'tdon't don't have havehavehave toto vote vote vote to to reject reject reject reject reject reject it it . man, 23 Se PIGAN have IRE WeWe havehavehave toto votevote vote vote to to acceptaccepatcceptacceptaccept accept it it . 24 OS . ARNOLDUASRNOLDUASRNOLDUS ARNOLDUSARNOLDUS ARNOLDUS ARNOLDUS : But But But et one one one was was was no no motionmotion motion motion motion motion to to accept accept accept acceptaccept accept it it . OOS 25 ON EL ERSg ......... ......... ......... oo ne nm Far) Re A ae 5 os et ; :' , , ' i { !: i t fi 3s _ 152 Aen 152152 pone ee tart AINE _ oman THETHETHE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN : WherWehereWhere Where was was was nno o notionnotionnotion notion notionotion toto accepatcceptacceapctceptaccepatccept it it . ery mm CHAIRMAN ttt MRMR. SHORSTHORSTHORT : AlAlllAll rightrightrightrigh. t THETHE CHAIRMAN SHORT CHAIRMAN CHAIRMCAHANIRMAN : I meanmmeaen anmean that'tshat's that'tshat's that's that's tthehe the wayway way I've I'veI'veI've been beenbeebneenproceedingproceeding proceeding proceeding proceeding proceedingproceeding proceedingproceeding . + at herehere herehere . MRMR . 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FARMERFARMEFRARMEFRARMERFARMERFARME: R says It It says says says i a ote CHAIFMAN clothingclothing 2323 et THETHE CHAIFMACNHAIFMAN CHAIFMAN CHAIFMANCHAIFMAN CHAIFMAN: ItIt requrireesquirersequiresrequires requires requires requirersequires clothingclothing clothing clothing clothicnglothing 5:20 i 7 MRMR. ANANIAANANIA ANANIA ANANIANANIA I movmeovemove wewe acceptaccepatcceptacceptaccept that . accept at on cea 2 een 20 20 2323 reang It'Its's It's It's THETHE THE CHAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMCANHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN : NoNo , already already already alreadyalreaadylready already inin We're We'reWe're We're We're wewe justjust don't don't don't don't havehavehavehavehave toto . move movemove don't com ents afterafter afterafterafter commentcosmmentscommentscommentscommenctsomments comments . . : to accept accepatcceptaccepatccept it it . : MRMR . FARMER FARMER FARMER FARMER WeWe have have have have have the the wordswordswordswords words Any Any employeeemployeeemploye employeemployeeemployee employeemployee exposeedxposedxposed exposeexd posed conetraions employer Any provide ts aerrs wien toto airborne airbornaeirbornaeirborne airborne airborne concentrations concentrations concentrationsconcentrationcsoncentratcionscentratcioncsentratcioncsentrationcsoncentrations concentrations concentrations , thethe the employeremployer employer employer employer shallshall shall shall shall provide providperovideprovide providperovide and * eis re ce3333 em ra 2222 he thethe requireequirerequirerequire require requirerequire or or body body bodybody clothing clothing use use of of special special special special special lean lean lean lean covering suchgloves special clothes clothes clothesclothcelsothesclothesclothes such gloves gloves gloves gloves , as as coveralls coverallcsoveralclosverallscoveral s covecraolvseralclosveralls, andandand coveralsfoot foot foot ocveringsocverings ocverings andand / /ocveringsocverings ocverings cae cSaacken a uch oan. gh 4 ONE Gem ta ue Senca ta TR an 53 ke ca car ater ma ERae Msmioeas 3 meerOLA pa stk eke ! OTR for any employee exposed to airborne concentrations which exceed 430 THE CHAIRMAN This exceeds the ceiling level MR FARMER Okay THE CHAIRMAN That's okay No comments on that How about this next one that's crossed out Is that three 3 enrte 0 Ver, - 33 33 B 62 662 2 eae . rave yt ws tut MR MEMMOTT It looks like three to me yes THE CHAIRMAN Is this three over on the right which is the Health Group's proposal draft MR ARNOLDUS I think if you go to the next page you will find that there are proposed revisions by the Health THE CHAIRMAN This is something that the Advisory mae Committee added ie MR MEMMOTT Right That's yours Frad That's typed the " = 17 17 out Wherever it's typed it's yours from the Advisory Committee before and then of course on the left you know what what thatthat is is . 10 10 me THE CHAIRMAN All right Is there any comment on 99 99 tm~ 20 adie CK Aye ent APU aid ODD SR EHTS dr ST aor TIP ( ~ La on ee ander SF e NDSREAL w MR SHORT Fred even though we can't JOS To me I'm e La a cere THE CHAIRMAN Woll three on the next page Six a about now +4 tated - OF ee me Ome MR FARNER Is that exactly what this said we dis- cussed here This three over here It seems to me I'm 13 reading -- . 4.3 7 Nan Me pretns HH etap Ns meeeprenre ON 17 17 SRE Behe 335 355 aren perlanyti bah pana datn ary ee neat,Eee me 22 22 atLiber eatntmenaek otwe Rbahye 24 24 LeksReenar Se eetPSRe mong eb 3 ued ~* ett + aet THE CHAIRMAN No it's different There's something wrong with this whole bit over here It doesn't make sense if you read what is ~- what the Advisory Committee recommendation was -- Three reals Employees regularly exposed to asbestos dust in excess of the exposure levels described in paragraph b of this section shall be provided with a change room Prescribed Then over here it says which would indicate you're taking on from there place of employment exposed airborne concentrations of asbestos fiber in excess of exposure limits prescribed in in paragraph b of this sectiosnection the employer shall provide change rooms for employees working regularly at this place would indicate to me that this three replaces all of this MR ANANIA No. This three here is what they're has THE CHAIRMAN No no no ThisThis three has to do with ees what we did the Rivisory Committee this one That's a Set a straight line That's what he says This is the recommenda- tion or the proposal of the Health Group on page a MR ANANIAA NANIA Okay be Reade ae, 155 155 Setgan Abog NE ant pe ametie a a 81.3 THE CHAIRMAN It's departing somewhat from the format Prien we WO that we're accustomed to at the start of this document MR MEMMOTT Yeah I think Fred wouldn't that show in Cliff's document from the meeting when that was covered 5 to show whether -- I believe now that I look at this three is special clothing which is noted two and then change 7 rooms would be four which we include from the time of your recommendation for three I believe that's a four there t) THE CHAIRMAN I don't know about the numbers 10 10 MR MEMMOTT But Cliff is that in your document MR FARMER This part where tthe he three is special clothing We said no and then we went to cancel out four since employees regularly exposed to asbestos dust by their MR MEMMOTT That's the same as we have in this document sora gres MR FARMER Yeah THE CHAIRMAN That's the same MR FARMER Required a chanya room That woulbde in the original document before the full | Committee arectnd one MR MEMMOTT Change rooms and clothincglothing blpenae e + 8aent emneByay ens ane Teties A See ae ten ee Sterocme (2 toe 156 156 156 anh Re MR FARMER A closet container such as but not e oe limited to a locker bag can or in shall be provided for Reh ad the contaminated clothing of employees in order to prevent thee contamination of the employee's street clothese from his workplace the same thing MR MEHMOTT And that's the clothing portion ee nenn etmntp ye etl MR FARMER Laundry over here MR MEMMOTT: Yeah Yeah and and laundry e MR FARMER This is the proposal Led des 15 15 15 feyWet BE. relnts fF 13 13 fen arate 23 23 owe ee Aner 25 25 oe nat whe and the new laundry in five is in That's on page 6 THE CHAIRMAN On page six These items red What were doing here is correcting the work document so that it truly reflects what the Advisory Committee has done and so on so then we've got these three items that three refer over to page six a for the Health Group's proposatlo see whether this issomething with I don't think so which we want I don't think replace to our three so I think this is - ours Keep it Mer Me atin te tnee etl Read T THE H THE ECHAICHRAIMRMAANCNHAICRMHANACIRHMAAN IRMANCHAIRMAN:: This This This tn oe MR FARMER FARMER FARMER FARMER Phase Phase and and four four four are are ne FARMER Aneem ane 2 63 4 5 6 37 8 ' 90 CA if 12 13 98 85 1 17 | 18 | 89 20 21 21 : 2 fi 5 as it i i 23 1 4 sient EeveiH 24 24 & Fetnlys caterd A evay rm A ne EB enh A THE CHAIRMAN No three four and five THE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN thre four five are eR six three RG On page four and five are a UNE ARE MR FARMER Okay THE CHAIRMAN Now when you come to page 6a this special clothing bit we're going to run head into trouble on the job if we say for any employee exposed to airborne ! asbestos We've got to talk to the guys who are regularly | exposed } MR ANANIA Fred can I ask a question THE CHAIRMAN Yeah MR ANANIA sense to you On page six item five does that make any . THE CHAIRMAN I didn't really read it Does it make sense to you Cliff That makes sense to that point and shall be done so as to prevent the release of airborne asbestos fibers in excess of the exposure limits prescribed under paragraph b of the | section MR ANANIA What the hell does that have to do with laundering yyou ou come down know that last to shall be the part laundering of --Where responsibility of the Seman employer employer employer ; isn't going isn't prevent laundering that sounds good but tthe he isn't to i that good but laundering going to laundering going prevent laundering 4 | release airborne asbestos airborne fiber ' of airborne asbestos fiber release i t MR STEFFAN has to mauer i MR STEFFAN STEFFAN done sucsh uch a as to STESFFTAEN FFAN STEFFAN It It has It done be to be done be in in such such in mauer as to i i ! we it prevent it e ; PE Becomes tang on wet write nt a Poewee tem singers resi map Seca 3 RCRD 3 erates 5 mer a 7 63 653 STE =o ~ 32 .13 som. .13 34 z1e 57 1010 noi 37 37 118 8 at 10 2020 mk 31 31od SEES a LNT a3 VOTE28 2823 mira 158 158 MRMR ANANIA ANANIAANANIANAAANINA ANAINANIA : LaunderinLgaunderLinagunderiLnaugnderLiangunderinLgaunderiLngaunderingLaundering LaunderingLaundering oa in't in'itn'tin't going goginog inggoinggoing to to prpevreentvent prevent preventpreventprevent prevent prevent thethe thethe release release release release releasreelease of a far far MRMR STEFFAN STEFFAN STEFFANSTEFFANSTEFFAN STEFANSTEFFA: N It's It's It's It's goinggoinggoginoginggoing toto causecausecause cause causcaeuse don't it if you youyou don'tdodn'otn't don't ; MR THE MRMR . CHAIRCMAHNAIRMCAHNAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMAN : I STEFSFTAENFFANSTEFFASNTEFFANSTEFFSANTEFFASNSTTEFAEN FFAN IfIf it thtinhkink think think itit makes makes makes makes makes sense sense sense the if youyouyou putputput itit in in the the drierdrier drierdri. er THETHE CHAIRMCANHAIRMANCHAIRMCAHNAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAICRMAHN AIRMCAHNAIRMAN : Imw cancancan be be donedonedonedone . MRMR . STEFFANSTEFFANSTEFFASNTEFFANSTEFFASN TEFFASNTEFFAN : PutPut Put thethethe clothes clothesclothesclothes clothes clothes inina drier drier drier drier drier drier anadndand fafnanfan itit intoinito ntointo a roormoomroom where where wherewhere people people peoppleeoppleeoplepeople are are workinwgorkinwgorkingworking working workingworking MRMR. changed changed changed changedchanged ofchanged changed sense sense sense sense THE THE prevent preventprevent preventpreventpreventprevent . be be applicable aplicable aplicable aplicable ANANIA ANANIAANANIAANANIA ANANAIANANI: A littlelittlelittle littlelittlelittle I thinkthinkthinkthink bit bit bit , but but but thatthatthatthat thatthat thatthat womling's womling's doesn'tdoesn't doesn't whole womling'swomling's womling's womling's womling's going goingoing going to have havehavheave to ba just just doesn't doesnd'toesn't makemmakeakemakemake a wholewhole whole whole lotlotlot It like It soundssoundssounds sounds sounds likelikelike thethethe . laundry CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMAN Well Well Well Well , it it sayssays soundsknow I don'tdon'tdon't don't don't know knowknow what whatwhat kind kindkind aplicableaplicablaepplicable applicable herehereherehere . laundry laundry laundry laundry laundry Ff tt says it it should shouldshould should should bebe be should of laundering laundering launderinglaunderinglaundering launderinlgaunderlianugndering donedonedondeone toto systesmystseymstemsystemsystemsystemsystem woulwdould wouldwouldwould just just just justwill will MR . MRa matter prevent prevent laulndaeurnidnegring laundering laundering laundering itselfitselfitselflaunderingitself doesn't MR . WARREN WARRENWARRENWARRWAERNREWANRREN : mattermatter mattermatter of of prevent prevent prevent the I think think thintkhink he'she's he's he's saying sayisngayingsaying saying that that that it's iit'ts's it's reallryeally real yreally thinkwordwionrgdingwording wordingwording , thatthatthatthat it it lev llevellevellevel level . WhaWthatWhatWhat itit readsreadsreads reads , thatthatthattthhaatt real yreally really reallyreally meansmeans meanmseans thethe isis launderingreal ylaunderinglaunderinglaunderinglaundering launderilngaunderinlgaundering that thethe wil laundering willwill be be donedonedonedone in in manner manner mannermanmnear nner the so so thatthatthatthat thethe launderilngaunderinglaundering laundering laundering laundering laundering laundering laundering doesn't doesn'tdoesn't doesn't create create create create doesn't create ANANAIANANIAANANIAANANIA ANANIA OrOr thesthese thesethese these highhighhighhigh levelslevels levelslevels thatthat that tthehethe launderer laundererlaunderer laundererlaundererlaunderer laundelrearunderer . doesn'tdoesn't doesn't doesn't doesn't doesn't doesn't becomebecomebecombeecombeecomebecome contaminated contaminated contaminacteodntamincaotendtaminatceondtaminatedcontaminated contaminatedcontaminatedcontaminated . MRMR . WARRENWARREN WARREN WARRENWARRWENARREN : Or Or anybodyanybodyanybodyanybody anybody anyboadynybody else else else else inin thethethe laundering launderinglaundering launderlinagunderinglaundering laundering laundering laundelraiungndering operatioonperationoperation operation operationoperationoperation operation MEME . MR . done being beingbeingbeingbeing done : ANANIAANANIAANANIAANANIA ANANIA Ckay Ckay Ckay . MENOS MENOMSENOS MENOS MENOS MENOS at the done at the the That'sThat's That'sThat'sThat'sThat's easyeasy easy easy , Mr. Mr. Mr. ChaiimanChaiimanChaiiman Chaiman ChaiimCanhaiiman Chaiiman . IfIf that's that'sthat'tshat'sthat's that's site site site site , I'mI'm I'm makingmakingmaking making makingmaking an an inspection inspection inspectioninspection inspection inspection inspection inspection inspectioinnspection, | constructiconstructi constructi constructi constructiconstructiccoonstnrusctitructi constructi | i { |{ i egBEA senae - - ee SONS eaed e eyNes te eta Be RAPEWe gata eG Omonardtgi Te EE naeee cde 0 Se 30 e t Saw ee CU ART oo 03 ny LEt EDh AAadSen thae ERATgektenens we hi ST RE fe oe oShe A wait ok cote oa pee mae 150 150 construction construction site construcconstrtuction iconstrucion on Anyone involved that activity aren sist ite e that's in that's construction that's construction construction construction site Anyone Anyone involved involved involved that that activity at the at the constconsrtructuion concstruction ticonstoructionn site site site is covered you know by this regulation if he sends the contaminated clothingclothingclothing off to the city laundry then that's under your 1910 THE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN All right Now we come to page 6a Is there any reason to substitute these three for the three mae that's on page six MR ANANIA I see no reason THE CHAIRMAN Is there any reason to substitute for what's on page six number six MR FARMER How about( 1 Where do you want that THE CHAIRMAN There's four and i It's all one , isn't it ot 2s,2h 17 17 ante niet 65 eed oo Rnb ach ee derer e wha Wea MR FARMER Okay ye THE CHAIRMAN And on page six b youhave b and c A MR ANANIA I can see b You have to inform inform that that guy guy 4. pee that's doing the laundry that those clothes contaminated with asbasbese tos asbestos stasbeso tos s so so he he could could ddress rdreessss himself himself himself : acordingly accordingly accordingly and I think that's a requirement Anything that contains asbestos svet te, Smee 8OOE sebet ce sem top page page 6 bb ) , right right rightright right . eee Lt harety THE THE THE CHCAHIAI RR MM CH CHAIA RM IRM = CHAIRM CHAIRM CHAIRM Go Go ahead ahead ahead tm mae oh a cae en ee CE Bet cme et vie mehg Ue re egt ewn wTaotgee wena oe en IK him SteLa etnis Ia AL a dhe 3 3 We A Why don't you suggest this Just take that first -- MR ANANIA Could you clean up those letters and 03 numbers there Frank MR MEMMOTT : That'll all be taken care of house be brought over also 3 because here again it tells you how you should transport this contaminated clothing oe and * v eihambrnt i 35 35 vembsndot La ke THE CHAIRMAN How much of b are you going to trans- MR ANANIA All of it , and andand then then thenthen Frank's Frank's Frank's Frank'sFrank's Frank's to to clean clean clean cleacnlean upup THE CHAIRMAN How about this To effectively pravent the release MR ANANIA Oh I see THE CHAIRMAN Yes sir Sam 20 20 21 21 wag te Caen 22 ANT RAEN AORwe Ba ee a 8 a Si NRAoh A entee tN eS AaN a ETStaub Kat MR STEFFAN I think that this is one the places problem S THE CHAIRMAN We can't MR STEFFAN The laundering probably be under M MR R FARMER FARMER FARMER But But Bill Bill some some some of of the the ffacilia ties c faciliti ies lifact ilitii es es ehilatatt ive sini coa R eB ; \ : | i 4t ' , f under under under construcctioonnstruction construction constructiocnonstructionconstruction construction construction HH construction MRMR constructionSTEFFAN STEFAN STEFFANSTEFFSTAEFNFAN That That That wouldwould would b be e other other other otherother than thanthatnhan responsiblity responsibility responsibility responsibilrietsyponsibilirteysponsibility responsibirleistypresoponnssibiilibtyilreisptonysibilitryesponsibility ; if you comercial but, if you you sentsentsentsent itit toto a commercialcommercialcommercial BR 161 161161 AE i eatn ar etna employer's employer's employere'msployer'semployer's employer's employer's laundry cnyvetty comercial pean ccoomermcialmercial laundrylaundry laundry laundlryaundry , MRMR . ANANIAANANIAANANIANANIA ANANIA ANANI: A I makemake make a motionmotiomnotionmotion , MrM. r.Mr. ChairmCahnairman ChairmaCnhairman Chairman Chairman that thatthatthat wewe make b add ( uunnder derunderunder 5 ) onon page page page ,4 ) , andandand readread readread : Any AnyAny employeremployeremployeremployer whowhowho gives gives gives asbestos contaminated contaminated clothing to another a aeor EN a 9 . 9090 t-Sa 1313 paragraphparagrapharagraphparagraphparagraph paragrapharagrappahragraphparagraph ( ) ( 3 ( THETHETHE CHAIRMANCHAIRMCAHNAIRMAN CHAIRMAN iCHAIRMAN (a ) of the section section section the section the section section section . OkayOkay Okay Okay Okay delete And delete delete the rrestest rest effectiveleyffectivelyefectivelfyfectivelfyfectivelyefeectfivfelyectivelfyfectivelyeffectievflyfectivelyefectively prevent prevent prevent " ... ... ... prev nt NowNowNow do do you , MRMR . ANANIAANANIAANANIA ANANIA ANANIA want wantwant toto also And And continue continue continue continue continue continue continue ? movmeovemove woeo) transportedtransportedtransportetdransportedtratnsrporatend sporttreandsportedtransported transportedtransportterdansported inin sealsedealed sealesdealed or containers conctoanitnaienresrs containers containers containers containers impermeable impermeable to 8787 = ^'. 30 30 * Se wat sceee ten 25 24 3 tra eo MRMR . SHORTSHORTSHORT SHORT : S onon thethethe bottom bottom bottombottombottom Question Question Question Question onon thethe the lefthand Don't we already have it on page THETHTEHE CHAIRMCAHNAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN : Oh MRMR . ANANIAANANIA ANANIA ANANIA GoodGood Good . page page page te Rs asbestos asbestos asbestos asbestos asbestos - asbestos contaminated contaminated contaminatedcontaminated contaminated contaminated cconotanmitnaatemd inatedcontaminated contaminated contaminated contaminated contaminated contaminatecodntaminatedcontaminated contamincaonttameindated clothing clothingclothing clothingclothingclothincglothingclothing to to anothaenrother anothearnothearnothearnother persopnersonperson person person person forforfor asbetos DDanR launderinglaundering laundering shall shall shall shall shall inforn inforinforn inforinnforinnforninforn inforn inforn such person person person personperson person of thethe the requirements requirements requirements requirements requirements requirements requirements requirementrsequirements requirements requirements requirements in in e De BLE aTOA Se redaad r PS ; paragraph paragraph paragraphparagraph paragraph paragraph paragraph paragraphparagraph d ( ) ( 3 ) ( 1 )( ) whatevr of of this thisthis this section sectiosnectiosnection section sectionsection , and and and we we intend intend 162 162 162 to make make ern zt that thatthat ( 5) ( 1) or or (2 ) , whatever whateverwhatevwerhatevwehratevewhratever whatever . PuPtutPut it underunderuundner deurnder 5) on page 6 eS ee y Cyae Enew is tthaht at that that correctcorrectcorrcecotrrectcorrect correct correct ? SdEens 4 MRMR. ANANAIANANIA ANANIA ANANIA : YeaYheahYeah . But But in in lookinglookinlgooking lookinglookinglooking at it now it's anny SME here here under But loking at oP ( 5 alreadyalready already alreadyalready already in here here , underunder under under 2 , butbut but wewe havehave have it crossed crossecdrossed crossed crossedcrossed out over over 7 3* LE7 7 ~ 3 contaminated contamited clothing employer here here herehere . AnyAnyAny employeremepmployerloyer employeremployeremployeremployer whowhowho gives gives givegsivesgives asbestaossbestaossbestos asbesatosbestosasbestos asbestos asbestos - contaminacteodntaminated contaminacteodntaminated contaminatedcontaminated contaminated clothing clothing ss ; inform toto anotheranotahnerothearnothearnotheranotheranother personperson person person for forfor launderinglaundelriangundering launderinglaundering laundering laundering laundering laundering shalslhall shalslhalslhall infoirnmform inform inifonrmform such person this Sareesort of of thethte he requirementsrequirementsrequirements requirements requirements requirements requirementsrequirementrsequirements requirements requirements of of thisthis this subdivisionsubdivisionsubdivisuibodnivisionsubdivision subdivsion subdivision subdivisiosnubdivissuibodnivision. SoSo , actually actually actually actually actually we a) ae couldcoulcdouldcouldcould justjustjust just reinsta ereinstatereinstate reinstate reinstate reinstate reinstatereinstatereinstate that thatthat , that 250 250 250 THETHETHE CHAIRMACNHAIRCMHAANIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMCAHANIRMCANHAIRMAN : ChayChay . Why Why don'dton'dton't don't wewe just just just just reinstate reinstatereinstatereinstate thatthat : Chay that aanon that your pe eC- neac your 1313 MRMR. ANANIANANAINAANIAANANIA ANANIA ANANIA: ReinstateReinstate Reinstate Reinstate Reinstate that that that . 4 THE THE THE CHAIRMANCHAIRCMHANAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMCANHAIRMANCHAIRMAN : Is Is thatthat that your youyr our motion motion motion motion motionmotion , to to reinstate reinstate reinstate reinstate reinstate reinstate reinstate ae MRMR . ANANIANANAINAANIAANANIA ANANIAANANIA : I'll I'll I'll make make make that that motionmotion motion motion motion motion nownownow . Le ve dee What ? 3.3 3.33.3 nem TT THETHTEHE CHAIRMACNHAIRCMHANAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMACNHAIRMAN CHAICRMAHNAIRMAN: WhatWhat is is itit et RE ereet Oe hty RS 15 15 MRMR . ANANAIANANIAANANIANANIA ANANIANANIA : ThatThat woulwdould would would be (2) 3 CTX HOP IsIs thatthatthatthat ( 3 ) 2 Sone It's employer nome CCMM THETHTEHE CHAIRMACNHAIRMCAHNAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMACNHAIRMANCHAIRMCANHAIRMAN : It's It's It's thethe seconsdeconsedconsedconsdecond second fromfromfrom from thethethe last lastlastlast paragraph paragraph paragraph paragraph $7 onon the the the lefthand lefthand lefthand lefthand lefthand lefthalnefdthand lefthand side side sideside of the the page page page , which which which readsreadrseadsreads reads : AnyAny employer employer ~ IT the contamited clothingclothing clothing 3030 whowho who givesgivesgivesgives gives asbestosasbestos asbestos asbestos asbestos asbestos - contaminated contaminated contaminated contamincatoedntaminated contaminatecdontaminated contaminatedcontaminated clothicnglothing clothing clothing to another person 30 asbestos such /"/ " LN derawsa ) such Efectively Efectively 7 PE Re 6.3 of for forfor laundering launderilnaugnderinglaunderinglaunderinglaundering laundering laundering shall shallshalslhall inform inform inform informinform such such person person person person requirements of of the thethe requirementsrequirements Be inin (a . subdivision This This This This subdivision subdivision subdivision subdivisionsubdivision subdivision subdivisionsubdivision ( 2 . Effectively Efectively Efectively Effectively Efectively EffectivelyEffectively EfectiEveflyfectively preventpreventprevent enpmt the TO subdiv on asbestos releaserelease release releaserelease release of of airborne airborne airborne airborne airborneairborne asbestos asbestos asbestosasbestos asbestos fibers fibers fibers fibers fibefrsibers in in excessexcesesxceesxscess excess of the oe release 2121 FUTUR anes limts ""'"'' eesaremy nae exposure exposure exposure exposure exposure exposure exposure limits limitslimits limits prescribedprescribed prescribedprescribed prescribed prescribed prescribed prescribed in in the section section sectiosnecti. on U want That oe EEE 2022 00 MR . AMANIAAMANIAAMANIAAMANIA AMANIA ; That That isn't isn't isn't isn't isn't thethe the motionmotionmotion motion motionmotion . I wanted wanted ttoo take ATER RE ae ears after subdivson prescibd sfectively 383838 FP out out after after after after subdivision subdivision subdivision subdivisionsubdivision subdivision subdivision subdivision periodperiod period period periopderiod , tototo sffectively sfectively sfectively sffectiveslyffectively sf ectively sfectively sfectiveslyffectivelysfectively sffectively prevent prevent OT ooag)tos ensecr: roleaserolease rolease roleasreolease rolease . ner ms SO 510 5 34 a Bo 87 53 2 20 23 a vw 21 ae . Pe 153153 153 RT RIE 8 _ pene eer THE THETHETHE CHAIRMACNHAIRMCAHNAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMAN : Okay Okay OkaOykay. ReadRead ReadRead youryouyrour your motiomnotiomnotion motion motion motion again again again again again anad ndand a meret CHAIRMN you're identiifydentifiydentiifydentifyidentify identify identiifydentify wherweherewherewhere where you'reyou'reyou're you're gettinggetting gettinggetting gettingettinggetting it . MR . STEFFAN STEFFANSTEFFANSTEFFANSTEFFAN STEFFAN ? think I thintkhink think think it it wouldwould would would be be muchmuch much much moremore moremore helpful helpful helpful helpful helphfuellpfulhelpful to to thtehe the persopnersonperson person personperson that'thsat'tshat's this that's that's transfering transferring transferritrnagnsfering transferingtransfertrirnagnsferrintgransferritngransfer intgransferritngransferring this this this equipment equipmentequipmentequipment equipmentequipmeenqtuipmeneqtuipmentequipment toto thethethe launldaruyndrylaunldaruyndrlyaunldaryundrlayundry that's transfering to to putputput inin a statement statement statement statementstatement statementstatement ofof what whatwhat he he shouldshoulsdhouldshoulsd hould saysaysay to thethe the pepersron sonperspoenrsonperson person . YouYouYou knokwnowknowknow , jusjt ustjustjust say saysay , shal he he shalslhallshall shall notifynotify notinfyotifynotifynotify himhimhihmim of of the the folowing following folowing folowing followingfollowinfgollowfionlglowing , andandi then thetnhen putputput inin a statement statemsentatement statement statemesnttatemensttatementstatemesnttatement. THETHETHE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMACNHAIRMANCHAIRMAN : And ifif hehe doesnd'otesn'dotesn't doesn't doesn't doesn't doesn't dodo it it exactly exactly exactly exactly exactly exactlyexactly thatthatt hatthat way wayway, citable he's he's he's he's citable citable citable citable citablecitable . MRMR . STEFFAN STEFFAN STEFFAN STEFFSANTEFSFTAENFFAN : WellWellWellWell , he's at at least least least least least he's he's he's goinggoinggoing going toto dodo it ee at ols right right rightright right . guy's which ThisThis This This waywayway, geezgeezgeez geez , thethethe guy's guy's guy's gotgot got to finfdind findfind 6) ( find and stil going know he'll he'llhe'llhe'll probablyprobably probably probably probabplyrobably never nevernevernevernever find find , and and he he still still still still won'twon't probaly it's won't E whatwhatwhatwhat toto say . " " If you you you say say oror equivalent equivalentequivalent equivalent equivalent equivalenqtuivalenqtuivalenetquivalent equivalent , 1 (a) , ; which which which See knowknowknow exactly exactly exactleyxactleyxactleyxactelxyactly ene NOTE it's notnot not exactly exactleyxactelxyactleyxactly exact, ly Sere just it's exactly youyouyou knowknowknowkno, w butbutbut just youyouyou just just makemake make make simple simplseimplesimple simplesimple statement statemesnttatement statemesnttatemesntatemsetnatementstatement thatthat that it that Ge materimaalteriamlaterialmaterial materimaalterialmaterial contains contains contains contains contains contains contains asbestoas sbestoasbestos asbestos asbestos asbestosasbestaossbestos and andand it shoulsd houlsdhousldhouldshould should be laundered launderedlaunderedlaunderedlaunderedlaundered laundered . be . carefuly carefulclyarefuclalryefullycarefully carefully carefuclayrefuclalyrefully andandand so on on . OTC this this ee a sass get MRMR . ANANIANANAINAANIA : WhereWherWehereWhere dodo youyouyou getget " equivalent equivalent equivalentequivaleentquivalenetquivalentequivalent equivalent? " , STEFAN STEFAN equivalent to MRMR. STEFFAN STEFFASNTEFFSATENFFAN STEFFAN : It It wouldwouldwould woulwdould be be very very verveyry helpful helpful helpful helpful helpful helpful the employer if if hehe just justjust just toldtold told told himhim him whatwhat whatwhat hehe hashas toto saysaysay . Send Send to the the employer employermployemrployeermployereemmplopyelroyer a note notenote alongalong alongalongalong to laundry tel witwhith thethethe laundlryaundrylaundrylaundry has laundry thing has toto telltell telltell themthem what just them what to thtehe laundry laundry laundrylaundrylaundry laundry andandand justjust just tell tell tell themthetmhem what what hehe , and and and just then then hehe can can just justjustjust tetaerar tear tear this this thisthis thintghing thing thing ouot utout the mail then with clothes the the bookbook book and and mailmail mail with it with with thethe clothes clothes clothes clothes clothes . oae niel ofof and MRMR . ANANIAANANIA ANANIA ANANIA : I wematnc = our our our responsibility responsibility responsibility responsibilirteysponsibilitryesponsibility responsibility responsibility responsibility responsibility responsibility responsibility responsibilityresponsibility * is is it it ? Kall MRMR . STEFFAT3 STEFFAT3 STEFFAT3 STEF AT3 STEFFAT3 STEFAT3 STEFFAT3 STEFAT3 hell hell hell hell , responsibility responsibility responsibility responsibility responsibility responsibility responsibility responsiblityresponsibilirteysponsibility responsibility responsibilityresponsibilityresponsibility , is is it's it's Tae A Od, ae a Ra wets ne fa Vie going helpful 42 going to be helpful to helpful helpful the the to that's going to mers the that's the guy going to use Pate wec ay mee es ear te 3 HUN THE CHAIRMAN You could word it so so that he shall se asbestos inform such person that the clothing contains ws That might be pretty workable Tom 3 MR ANANIA Who makes the statement though MR FARMER Make it part of the standard MR ANANIA Can we make that part of the standard we put new words into the standard standard MR MEMMOTT Sure That would follow suit Fred with 1926-21 b that we were talking about this this morning because that particular section places an obligation on the employer asbestos 255 255 exposed to and if it happens to be an fiber in clothing or whatever you're going to be handling you have that obligation already so to say how this is done I see | nothing wrong with that THE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN All we need really say is that we shall inform such person that free asbestos asbestos fibers fibers the clothing contains asbestos 22 t 22 23 MR ANANIA ANANIA It's It's right right right there there there He He shall shall bebe informed informed informed informed Srpe. don't underunderstans d tand we're what we're talking talking don't about what talking trae we're understand Sea send something I If I apnet something I've I've got got to you send you the the requirement requirement requirement of how how these these pe ten aed tence Masonete Se wehoret LeowAl sR phen poment w heatucs oa Hoe at dl We NT ene SE os we eran aS wed e ar things have got to be laundered evidently That's what itit et ste e oak Qe MR MEMMOTT Tom I was thinkingthinking thinking thinkingthinking thatthat you felt that aS OO NY AO this was important earlier today that we do -- RN N THE CHAIRMAN You're right He's got to go and tell RE FOR GA him about what's required SNE oh it MR ANANIA Well it already states it there i Ae THE CHAIRMAN Okay nh MR ANANIA Doesn't it I mean $ 16 16 ot 15 15 eae 13 29 29 21- 22 22 THE CHAIRMAN I think you're right MR SHORT Sending him a note along with it That doesn't relieve the the contractor that's sending this clothing out to be laundered I don't think that really relieves him ena ee of liability or the responsibility Going back to what Tom is saying you have to be specific on what you tell this guy and it's his responsibil- ity then to find out what sections this is covered under THE CHAIRMAN All right Tom go ahead If know LS MRE your motion correctly it is to take the second paragraph from the bottom and reinstate that portion which reads Any employer who gives contaminated clothing to another person for laundering the shall inform such p personerson of thethe My 3 TATA 23 23 EL OT 1616 66 166 TIELon ay wo. oa 3 oe 5 3 7 E 5 MRMRMR . THE THE THETHE MRMRMR . MMRR . MRMRMR . FARMERFARMERFARMERFARMER FARMER FARMER WherWe'hdere'Wdhere'd Where'd Where'd Where'd _ youyouyou stop stopstopstop CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN ANANIA ANANANIA ANANIA AN IASTEFSFATNEFFAN STEFFAN IA CHAIRMAN CHAIRCMHAINR: MAN : ANANIAANANIA STESFFANTEFFAN : Where'dI stopped stoppedstoppedstoppedstoppesdtoppesdtopped rightrightrightright In IIn n fact fact fact fact What WhatWhatWhat What is is it's it's it's almost it's ( a) in in ANANIANANIA ANAANIANANIA That'Thast'Tshat's That'sThat's That's That's ( 0 ) ( 3 ) ( 1 ) on on that thatthat onoeneone? . almost this almost exacetxlyactlyexactly exactlyexactlyexactlyexactly tthehethe section section section section section ? a. same samesamesame . THE THE CHAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAICRMAHNAIRMCAHANIRMAN : Huh Huh ? CHAIRMAN MMR RMR . ANANIA ANANIA ANANIA : It's It'Ist's It's It's exactly exactlyexactelyxactelxyactlyexactly the AN IA . THETHETHE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN : Where WherWehereWhere ? samesame thingthing thintg hintghing asas thisthisthis . MMRRMR . ANANAINAANIA ANANANIA IA : Only OnlOnyly OnlyOnly theythey theythey broughtbroughtbrougbhtroughtbroughtbrought it outout a little little littlelittliettlelittle and and and thethe the 1010 it's way way it's it's it's + ! 2 a om THETHETHE CHAIRMAN CHAIRCMAHNAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHACIRMAN HAIRMACHNAIRMAN : I see see see . - eg SUT1313 1833 5 225 5 we a at 1717 MRMR MR . ANANIAANANIAANANIAANANIA ANANIANANIA : TheThe ThTe hTehe way way way : thethethe motiomnotion motion motion reads reads , exactly exactly exactly exactly exactly exactlyexactly tthehe saying reads subdivson and thing we're same same thingthitnghing thingthing , except exceptexceptexceptexcept herheerhe erehere here we'rwe e're we'rewe're saying saying saying " subdivision subdivision subdivisiosnubdivisionsubdivision subdivision subdivision subdivisionsubdivision and aanndd therethere therether, e thety'rehey're they'rethey're they're they're they're saying saying sayingsayingsaying saying " sectionsection section sectiosnectionsectisoecntion . What MRMRMR STEFFAN STEFFAN STEFFANSTEFFAN STEFFANSTEFFASNTEFF: AN What WhatWhat isis the the employer employer employer emploeyemrployer requiredrequirreeqduired requirerdequiredrequiredrequirredequired toto notifnoytifynotifynotifynotify laundry. the the laundrylaundrylaundrlayundry laundrylaundry ? MMRRMR . ANANIAANANIAANANIA ANANAIANANIA: don't I don'tdond'ton't don't knokwnowknowknow . I haven't haven't haven't haven't read readreard eardead ( d ) (3 ( 1 ) (a). eu nt MOE waos 2020 e 21 21 Aen $ aad eras eg &% 3: 2323 2525 PRS read I haven'thaven't haven't haven'thaven'htavheanv'etn't read read read it . THE THETTHHEE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN : I don't don't don'tdon't don't knoknwowknowknow where where where now thethe hellhelhl elhlell itit isis nownow . MMRRMR . MMR RMR . STEFAN ns STEFFAN STEFFAN STEFFASNTEFFASNTEFFA:N Where WherWehere WhereWhere WherWehere the thethe hellhell hell hell is itit wher ANANIA ANANIA ANANIA : LeLtet LetLet meme loolkooklook at the the asbestasobestos asbestos asbestosasbestoassbestoasbestos thingthing thing thingthing , part part part (g) STEFAN STEFAN STEFAN MRMR . STEFFAN STEFFAN STEFFAN STEFF: AN problem . I mean mean mean meanmean it'sit's it'sit's notnot not a trivial trivialtrivial triviatlrivial problem problem problem problepmroblem JustJustJust Just ar Mapaten of think think think think of of the the the poor poor poor guy gguyuy guy that's that's that's that's that's nevnerevneervernever never seen BooBonon thethethe stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff before before before before . ape Soe po r ( that's MRMR FARMERFARMERFARMEFRARMER ; me dd ) ( ( 1 ) (a . must I must must be gettignegttinggetting getting gettinggettinggetting tired tired tiredtired tired . 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STEFFANSTEFFAN STEFFSATNEFFANSTEFFAN : fibers fibefrsibersfibers fibers . Why just can't can'tcan't can't can't youyoyu ou just just just telltell tell tell them them them toto put put put that thatthat - label label label label label on itit , onon a MR . FARMEFRARMERFARMER FARMFERARMER FARMER : MR . STEFFAN STEFFAN STEFFAN STEFFAN STEFFANSTEFFASNTEFFAN : WhaWthat WhatWhat more more more do do you you wantwant want to to telltell tell tell themthem them them ? MR . FARMEFRARMERFARMEFRARMFERARMERFARMER : find I can't can't can't can't find findfind d ) you 3)(want )(a ) and and ifif I ,H5 MR talks talktsalkstalks talks . ANANIAANANIAANANIANAANIA ANANAIANANIA : ActuallAyctually ActuallyActuaAllcytuaAlclytuallyActually Actually , about about thethethe launderinglaunderlinagundering laundering laundelrainugnderinglaunderliangundering ; if if you youyou lookloolkooklok onon page pagepagepage and andand and here hereherehere again again again again again , youyou you a 2354423544 23544 23544 , it it 2354were were right righrtightrighrtight, Fred FredFreFdred , is it is . laundering ItIt says sayssays employer AnyAnyAny employer employer employeremployer employer whowho givegsivesgivesgives gives asbestos- asbestos- asbestos- asbestos- asbestos-asbestos- asbestos- asbestos- contaminated contaminated contaminatedcontaminatecdontaminated contaminated contaminatedcontaminatedcontaminated clothing clothing clothing clothing clothingclothing clothing another employer launderig toto anotheranotheranotheranother another person person personpersopnerspoenrson for for for laundering laundelriangunderinlagundering shall launderlinagundering launderilnagundering shallshall shalslhall a the inforimnfoirnmforimnforminform inform the person person person person personperson of thethe the requirement requirement requirement requirement requirement requirement in in ( a) of of thtihsisthis this subdivision subdivision subdivisiosnubdivisionsubdivision subdivision subdivision subdivision . 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FAHMIRFAHMIRFAHMIFRAHMIR FAHMIRFAHMIR: theretherethere therethere bebe a necessity necessity necessity necessitnyecessity necessity neces ity necessitynecessity for for for tthehe the tant 168 168 168 cesta . a $ fy i: t3 ... 5 G compliance compliance compliance safety safety or for that employer who's going going this to somebody to do the laundry to tell him all the i laundry + i requirements Wouldn't that be his responsibility as another i employer to know the standards sy one aap MR ANANIA Right That's what I'm saying . THE CHAIRMAN Why don't you just have that -- Inform 7 such person that the clothing contains free asbestos fibers 0 MRMR . ANANIAANANIA ANANIANANIA ANANIA ANANIA ANANIAANANIA : Or Or contains containscontains contains contains contains contains contains asbestos asbestos asbestos asbestos asbestos asbestos asbestos asbestos . ~ 3 MHD wwe MR FARMET I'd sure buy that I'll second that Ben gndiniad, bene td nN EWE TL aerate w THE CHAIRMAN Read it that way now A ee , ae 12 MR ANANIA Oksy Any employer who gives asbestos- ern 33 contaminated clothing to another person for laundering shall wer 15 MR FARMER I'll second that 16 THE CHAIRMAN Any more discussion 17 No response 10 THE CHAIRMAN All in favor Committee responds 20 THE CHAIRMAN Okay It's carried And we have that rer y a3 ae3 | one one that's that's that's that's already already already there there there there so we we ddon't on'don't t have have have to to worry about about about that it that that 22 fh 2 22 5 & 2233 34 4 i5 2 233 i ig 23 7q 23 4 at cowpe Now wa go to pre 7 which c at the top of the page deals deals deals with with with measurement measurement measurement measurement it and it reads reads Method Method of measurement all all determinations detrminations determinations of of airborne airborne airborne concentrations concentrations 169 at 400-450 times times times times contrast illumination illumination determinations laboratory All such laboratory laboratory determinations determinations determinations determinations determinations shall shall shall shall shall be conducted by a FARMER FARMER FARMER : FARMER That's That's That's correct THE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN CHAIRMANCHAIRMAN : Is MR MR 1313 14 14 a2& 10 AF 1122 7979 2929 2323 23 23 23 23 2323 259 259 say saysay MR THE inin . 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ANANIANANIA ANANIA : Iwantewadntewdanted wanted wantedwanted to to THE CHAIRMANCHAIRMANCHAIRMAN CHAIRMACNHAIRMCHAANIRMAN : wantedWellWellWell , allallall discus ion discussidoinscussiondiscussidoniscussidoisncussion discusidoniscussiodniscussion at at thethe the mommenotmemnotmentmomentmomentmomentmomen. t If addadd a couplecouple couplecouplceoupcloeuple of words words wordswords therethere there rightrightrighrt ightright . This This This thing thing thingthing thing youyouyou havehavheave somethinsgomethinsgomethisngomethinsgomething sometshinog mething is up for for you you want to sers putputput thertehetreherethertehere or or wantwant want to addadd add oror detract detract detract detracdtetradctetractdetract , oror whatwhat what what . ANANIA MR . ANANIA ANANIA ANANIA ANANIA : WWhhatatWhatWhatWhat I waswaswas going going goinggoinggoing to to say say say : employmenetmploymentemploymenetmploymenetmploymentemploymentemployment employment employment employment wherewhere wherewhere employeemploeyessemployees employes employeesemploye s employeemsployeesemployees mmayaymay bebe exposed exposedexposed exposed exposeedxposed toto airborne airborne airborne asbestos asbestos asbestoassbestosasbestos asbestos fibefrsiberfsibers fibers fibers shall shallshall shalsl hall be monitoredmonitored monitmoroenditored monitored monitored monitored monitored to to determindeetermindetermine determinedetermdienetedremtienremindeetermine exposure exposure exposure determine monitred toto determidneetermine determine determine determine determine ' employeesemployees employes employeeesmployeesmployemepsloyees exposure exposure exposure exposure exposure exposure exposure . 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STEFFAN : exposure Well Well Well Well Well Well , the the the wayway way way you yyou oyuou woulwdoulwdouwloudld havehavhaeve have to to read readreadread this this thisthis this that you if if you you you know knowknow that that the the thethe the conetraionconcentration concentration conetraionconcentractonicoenntration concentrationconcentraticononcentrationconcentrationconcentration concentratiocn oncentration ofwould conetraion of asbestos asbestos asbestoassbestos inin this thitshis araearea areaarea ifisis overooverver would thousand thousand thousand thatthousand thousand thousand fibers fibers fibers fibersfibers fibers fibers fibers pepr er employe coco coconetraion andandand you this you whe thing it me readreadread readread thitshisthisthis thingthing thtinhgitnghing, it ete tere wouwloudld would would wouldwould meanmean that that everyevereyveryeveryevery employe empleomypeleoyeemeployee employee empeloymeeployee thitshisthis areaareaareaarea area would would area would would havehavehave havheave tt o o Dr you'd you'd you'd you'dyou'd you'dyou'd you'd have have tototo monitor monitmonitoor r monitor monitor monitormonitor for for for forforfor asbestosasabesstosbestos asbestos asbestos asbestos asbestoasbestos asbestos , nn o o mattmeatrtermatmtaetrtemratter mamtteartter wherewherewherweherewhere they thety heythey they e with were were werewerewere , whetherwhetherwhether whetherwhetherwhetherwhether they theythey werewere werewerweerewere working workinwgorking working working working working with witwh ithwith asbesatosbestos asbestos asbestos asbaestsosbestaosbsestos asbestaosbestos oror anything anythinganythinangything anyathninyg thinaagnnyytthhiinngg were whole working anything - else else eelse lseelse . 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Evely YouYou You don'tdon't don't don't havheavehave have 6 " toto monitormonitormonitor monitor monitor monitor I thinkthink think think . think have to are this this this is is probabplyrobablyprobablyprobably probablpryobably probablyprobably one oneone of of the the the ways waysways ways you're you're you're going going going going going to have havehave have toto gogo . right inbetw n MRMR . FARMEFRARMEFRARMERFARMERFARMERFARMER: I thinkthink think thinkthink it's it's it's it's right right right right inbetiwennbetween inbetween inbetweeninbetweiennbetweeinnbetween inbetwen , TomTomTom. 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