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I ! 1 IS'lH JUDICIAL DISTXICT COURT 2 PARISH UF IBERVILLE 3 stay e uf Louisiana 4 3 6 LOKicAlnt PiGUY WILLIAMS 7 VS. 8 mcCakty corp., et al 9 AO. 39,40-1 DIVISION "li" 10 11 TESTIMONY OF DR. JOHN T. LEONE 12 13 14 Transcript or the uboYc-entitieu proceeding 15 came on For nearing in Open Court at tne Parish 16 Courthouse located in Planuemine, iberviile parisn, 17 Louisiana, on the loth aay of January, 1992. 18 .THE HONORABLE JACK T. MAAluNNEAUX, JUDGE, PRESIDING. XAXAAXXXXXXXXXXXXXAXXAXXAXXXXAXXXXXXAXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 19 20 APPEARANCES: 21 fUK TtiL PLAINTIFF: ' 22 23 24 25 26 GEURGE R. CUVEKT, ESQ. P. 0. BOX 82080 BATON ROUGE, LA 70884-2U8O 5 HUBERT E. KLEInPETER, ESQ. ALLAN SWART2BERG, ESQ. John e. oKIdE, ESQ. KLEINPETER, SWARTZBERG 5 STEVENS 6iy jeiferson hwy., Su. 2-n Baton Rouge, LA 70806 27 FOR THE DEFENDANTS: 28 fuvenx-ijorr.i?.;j 29 CEkALL J. IALdUT, hoo- LEMLE 6 RELLEHER 61)1 poydras St., Su. 2i0l) New Orleans, LA 7U130 30 TOM P. luURGEUIo 31 CeKTIMuj GENERAL CUUKT RoPOK'lER I i KO 0130 4 'EAt-.-uSluo a UK LLP uMj/Uv i 3 luaT liiiiLi.: ibov CnetiicajJ ifAiNilL eAHUi.P, lS^. MATHEWS, ATXlN'SOfi, GUCLIelmo MARLS a LhI 520 Somerrulos Si. iacon Kouge, LA. 7US21 {.Exxon J iaubcock. t, niisonj GARY A. jitiET, LSy. KEAiS, MILLER HAWThQtLNE, It' ARKOiNU , MClOWaA & JAk.'lAA One American Place, 22nd Floor Salon kouge, LA 7UK2i DAVID H. LEDYARL, HSg. SIjvUkG, PltM.N, ArLSUiN 0 olaSELL San Jacinto Building Beauiuonl, 1A 777 ui JOHN SALLrt, ESQ. BLUE, WILLIAMS tj BUCLLEY 34^1 a. Causeway diva., Su. Metairie, LA 70002 iultu E HO 0130 5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 h I'i ALii 8 Lh* jOhN 1. LliUNt. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 29 30 31 ni li LikfcCT 4 LkOSE 19 kiLlklLl 41 KE" CXGSS 4l EHO 0130 6 ebi-luIAi. FkuLU.blhL5 Li- JAKLAkl li, ILsi il.J. LLLkT: Next witi.LSs. Kk. LLLfAki;: 1 call to the stand Lr. Leont. DR. JGlik T. LhOhi, navinj, beer. first ouly sworr., was tiitiKto anu testiliee as fellows: DlKi.LT hkAtolKAlluN LI tok. LbDTAkD: Luaiil y ina: L houla you state >our Lame ami address tor the jury, please? A toy name is Dr. Joun 1. Ltor.e . 1 currently rtsiue in Austin, Texas. 6101 toeiceces Lena, Austin, Texas. L how old a man are you, uoctcr? A toy at is seventy-one. L hhat is your current position? Are you employee? A hell, 1 would have to say I'm not employed, but I'm very active as a volunteer with the American Association ol Ketireo Ttrsons, the ART, as the area vice-president lor area Seven, which is a five state area. I'm one of tiie lean volunteers with our vw1onlceis --with out program looking after our people wlio are members of AKF. h sc, you retired ana then went to work? A i'es. 1 have a pretty active, full-time volunteer EKO 0130 7 i,.\. jur.N 1. LhL'hi -b- j-osution, which 1 ur.jc> uuina very cucL. it Let us i,u U.rcu,,l: youi puali iicatior.s Lrietl) anu util the jury iirst a litulu bit about your euucatienal tack^iounc. A My euucatioual backsiound is 1 lmisl.to btevensoh hiph bchcol in Acs, lurk, a scientitic program, enturec Loluctia Lollepe . heccivtu a bachelor's ueprte Hi prt-a.eu, then er.toreu Lunp islanu college - oi utuiciiit, which is r.cw Luwn State Lnivursity ot Now icik ioi cy luc i cal uebree, which is a h.L. tubret. Latei 1 pualiiieu as a llipht surptun ii. the Ail lorce, having attenctu Randolph Air Force Last as.a ili6ht surptcr. and ^ueliiieci as a llipht surgeon in the military. G hhat was your rank ir. thu military? - A My rank in the military was colontl . 1 serves two years ci active uut) curiiib hcrla har II. llier. 1 . stayeu active with Air National Guard, havir.p evtn serves with the' Louisiana National Uuaru later on and was recalleo aurinp tlit Korean her campaign tor an aouitional 'two. year periuu and completed over twenty-three years ol either active or AiT National Guard outy as a tli6hl surpeon sr.ci hospital commander. h lCU CC V C UOlkaa I v. i luajiy y ca L S LUT UlXOn, i'.aV t )`OU' not ? A les. I startec a carter woikinp ici taxon ir. lt'47 anu then retired in 1LSS. EH0Q130 S i.`K. JUhh i* LLOhL l, Are >ou ct.itii.ieu m any particuiai seOjctta, Lector? ' a Us. >.)' eeitiiication is.Ly the American Learc of Specialization ant. the AEtiiean hoaro of Preventive keeicme with a sub-speeialty ih occupat 1 onal x. tax cilia. ' l, So, preventive mecicine ane occupational meuicine? a its. .'Hit tonre is jirtveuxiic t-ecicii.t, At.ti ieui. heart oi Ft tv entire Mecicine, which has mrtt sob- ` Specialties, wnich oie aviation u-toicir.t, peiiic heultn ami occupational mecicine. t, -Ann in yooi employment with kxxcn was inert a particular area of medicine that you iocusec on ano specializec in? A hell, my specialization was occupational ano environmental health. h Have you been involvtc with professional organisations as a physician? A Its. I ccntir.ueu in o> --with my professional affiliations, not only the American Metical Association, but with tr.e State Meuic.al Association in the specialty fielu. I'm ctrtiiitc as a felloe ' in the Amtilean occupation Medical Association, American Preventive Medicine, anc American Acaoeiuj of Occupation Mecicine, which are three ttjOr' organizations ertaitint inciviuuals who specialize in occupation meoicine. h have you published articles in the fielas af EMQ01309 ! ah Jul.h 1. Lathi. ";" preventive lueaicint ana unvijai.nental nieaiaint? - A 1 as. 1`vt pualishta at ltast a hall cl uczer. artielts in me title ai ocaupatiar.al lueaicint, as ktll as spchtn ta ^taups an Specialization ana occupational aecicint, incluainb teachings bath by appaii;ta.ai!tb at lalant oci.aal ol Pallia healtn anc currently as an aayunct associate pialcssui at tns . University cl Ttxas School ol I'ualia litaitn in loti, l.oustan ana San Antonia. l-.h. LhMAKL: lour honor, at . uoalo under hr. Leant ns ar. expert in the title - -selective titles Ql pitvtntivt laeaicint ana acaupational ana environmental r.taicir.t. Mi. hU.lhFE.Ttli: Tes, lour ' ha'uar, ku'll stipulate to his expertise. HL uuhhT: he'll be itUalilitu. IMi. LfcLYAkiJ-COhTlhUtS hITh JJIKtCT EXAliIKAllhh) t, Lr . ..cent, you uenLitata you startea witn hxx cn 11. the late lS4b's. htiat kas yaur pusitior. initially with Lxxan? A initially 1 startea titl. tht Stancerc b'il Company c t "0 0121 o bk. Ju-.i. 1. LLC.hu " C* Lev. Jcist) it LayLum Leiiaery as a rlan* physician. 1 think you rcaiiiec that the1 company underwent sou mergers and name cl.iui.ti, blit at that ULt it has S.C. itai.aare ul hew Jetsty that 1 stance with, which v.as the. affiliate ct tlit Etanuarc oil Company ui hew Jersey. c. hiu ytu hate occasion in youi employment to ultimately Le Lrar.sl trreo or transience to Uit baton hue^e Lxxor. heliutry? A Its. I rcoeivto a promotion ano has assignee to ci.e Eaton hen^e ktiintry in lbb7, at which time I has 6iven a position as assistant laeuioal uirtetui in the medical department at the baton kouae ktiintry. I, And how many ytars were you in baton houbt in that stretch of lime? A 1 left that assignment the early part of lb&i to bu hith the parent company in hew lork lor an inucctr ination, accepting a position as mecical director ior b.O. Libya before 1 went to Triple h Libya to set up an occupational health program at that time. h hi.on you retiree iron, the company what was your position with tne company? A hlien 1 retired from the company in December , 1SEE 1 n C.w wCwlwal uitcv.bwl uL j;AAUli lioustoh ofiice, "u5A ill LflC i, hoh , let's bo bach anu talk a little bit more about the years that you htre a physician in the baton EkOOlll Lk. Jhhh 1. hbUM. kougu itiiiicr) lor hxxon. 1 beiievt you stater. it was iiom ti.L j-tin alcut i'L i 7 10 about l&ti, is. that n0nt? A That1 a correct . v. lli iir6 those )Lii5 ur.at was --wr.at ty^e ol medicine- were you tcousir.g or. or what were --wl.it type ul work wt.ru you itLciiiiuilti ir.? A Well,.my assignment at tr.at time in ti.t Laton kcu^e heLineiy war. to uvtrlcoh me metical exami natioi. i-ro^rac, look altti tht emergency rcuu. r.u l.au a disaster plan in the rolintry. 1 was itsponsible lor locking alter oisastei anu special treatment ol mass causalities because ct m> military background ana lock alter the monitoring ar.c examination ol our employees as thuy came in lor their health examinations. h loo nitntionto occupational medicine a moment ago ar.u preventive medicine. Laii you just tell the jury brietly wliat that encompasses? A Well, the tielu ol . occupational mecicine is a specialty ana it's a brand, ol medicine which aeals with looking alter the Health ol ar. ir.olvioual ir, ' relation to their work environment. ^ hirer, you got to the iator, Kouge reiir.ery die they already nave a medical department set up and operating? A les. Tr.ere was a lull stall ol physicians, nurses, technicians. It was a full-time medical department EH 0 01312 I.L. jui.N " . LLuNi. -U:- that was ir. cj.tiLt.icii anu uul been tci iiii.) , uar.>. well established. ' t, Lc ) LL tJibVi bdW ILSI.) JCLIS that tilt batch hCL0t reiinery hsL fmu it's cwn en-site medical stall? A 1 L-tilieve tht i.istcr) woulc show at tiit inception ol tut- Tcliiitry a hen it was built sometime aitti boric wai 1 j.triot, peir.o_s 111/, llb, soLtulitic ir, that time lrame, they cia establish a mtuical ue^artment with tuu start-up o t the ittinevy. St, tt it) knowltuse it was a continuous orernLioh since the start-up. h -Lot's discuss a little Lit hew tilt --Lev. the medical department was set up. 1 believe, you said you ktit an assistant plant physician. report to a plant physician? Liu you A ho. The position is assistant medical cirectoi . He hau a mecical uiiectcr in the cepaitment, who was the department heat ant 1 reported to the department neac mho was the medical director. b Anc who woulu the medical director report to? A The medical director rtuortec to the manager c the reiinery. As a department he reported to a manager. V New, within the medical department was their also when you came in 1S57 an established industrial hy0ici,e uepaicmunt'l a 1 us , tlitre was an csta tlisheu industrial hygienist as a member ol the medical department at that time. h has ti.t industrial hygiene eepai tment physically EdO 01313 wUiJ% ' . LLl2\L J.ULiuU Kith the LcC.it.al ubrartlB(.Ut? . L-il , )tb. li.t li.uUStrii.1 ]|) &i Liiib L kui -h^lt oi t lit uieciCol Ltr&rtiiieut aitu was iu the entile l! ti*e CULu iLw.X ee^IirtUiCUt Auu wnu was --who was ii. uh&iat cl the industrial h)'sitr.b uepartment? ll.e ii.uustnal hygienist was tree S. Venable. All ri^l.l. I.ot,, wuulc ho also report tc tut- metical eirector? Vcs. Hie way ti.t crter.iii.tici. was establishat toe iucustrial h) = ier.ist reporteL tc the mecical airectoi. bo he rtportec to tl.e sas.e person you reported to? lliat.'s correct. So, 1 take it tl.e necical tepai tiiici.t ar.L .tl.e industrial ny giant uij-aiuti.t worked cltstiy together in tJ.ost years? Its. 1 wcult perhaps same a little ciiierently. Ihe inaustrial hygienist was on the stair anc a member ci the mtcical cepai rmer.r . It was one in the same uepartciont. All right. liic you have occasion to have close contact with tne industrial hygienist? Oh, yts. 1 saw tilt industrial hygienist 1 woulu say eiceii on o daily basis i.. ...s ucj.n uiuem * how, iu ciscussing the Leuical program one oi the ti.in6s you mentior.ee was --that tell enter your respuusiuiiity was tl.e physical av.c the metical I Ljv jLCiA . . LlLuL * ii* uohituiii.0 program, is that ri^ht? A Us. he huu ai. 01.4,011,,,' program oi physical examination ul our employees on a tubular scl.euuleo basis that thty wore asi.su to come ir. --ana, of course, it was a voluntary propim,, but we uttered complete physical examinatior.s to our employees on a le^ular basis. c, Intre's Letn a relertr.cc to metical surveillance. what uces meuical surveiliuuet titan? A huii, metical soiveillance t.uans to evaluate the health oi the inoiviuual ir. relationship tc tr.t work env 1 runment ai.u overlook tl.e ^theral health ar.o at the satie tiite rtctiar.ite any ueeo lor either change in personal habits or treatment lor an) particular early detection oi any iiealth pro title, k hhen people came to the --when people iirst came to work ior hxxon oic they rtceive pre-employment physical? A its. Our stancaro piactice was do a complete pre placement, as we calleo it, ar, examination to evaluate tl.e physical cci.uiticn anc look at the type, oi j&L assignment they hac to see that they were ' capablt oi performing Iron, tl.e physical standpoint tl.e required tasks ot tns physician, v, itguio that pre-employment physical j,ivt you " bast or S'Lesis by which iuture examinations coulc be choLkeu against to sec ii there was anythin,, pcinp or. ir. the work enviionment? EMC0I315 i Lh. juiih 1 . LLUi*.t /I 1 tS , b C C ttU S C tJlL I till VftiLt 0 i - A ^IA"^1aaLwA[iI examination is to start a ' cts^Ulc history ar.u physical as the Lasis tor latoi ucuihg tc the history ai.o physical tircir.gs, sc >oa work ueveloping a coa^lctt prolilt oi the ihoiviuuul as tax as their health canuitioi. is cor.cen.eG. h loo t.cr.ti onto that ci.o oi the thirds yoo houlc oc is evaluate tht jot characteristic tliat a person has suiiis to bo placet iu. li. other1 acres, actio you - -hculc it be no tec. ll a person has boihb to be cclhb cork hith --involving noise ci iui.es or cost or any other kino ot potential prcbleit? A 1 Loh't believe 1 onueistooe your t^estioii. fleast repeat it. l( It's probably because i tor.c to - A It's all right. Maybt 1 hasn't concentrating enough. (, hheri peoplt atrt hirec and htre going to be sent into oiiierent yobs throughout the reiinery had tJiOSe yoLs been evaluatco b) the potential exposures or natures hith those jobs? A bell, yts , the physical requirements to the jobs here knohii to tht tias.ii.iiip physician ar.o he houlu then look at the physical capacities oi tht iuuivicuais to be able to perioriu hhut has requireu o then. lr. othtr vires, it has a hatching to see that they here physically capable oi performing the jOb . E MO 013X6 Ali i\Ck, i-ivil.l, UOI.fc that 11 ptrSOh OOLOS Hi let U lO^Olal WGUlo J'OO jankt Special I.CtL. Cl the lent Hi lit it U.t i-trsci. hao kOThOO 1 li, say, a noisy jC.L, cr a jol kith feists, or a yob kith ttsi, jl that > lit caulu pay particular attention to taut kher. LOii;D the physical? lea. At the tint the ineiviGaal ttu ih ter the l,eiiocK healti. exuuinatiur. ott of one i ev,ei rtueiits oi. tm. lulu. k_b to ii.cieatt any arus khclc they ^G1aCu| SC if ii V. oS 'a question ui a yOtential CX^CbUlt tc r.oisc ci oust the txaieii.ina physieiar. VeOLlii knev, bliU aoulo call attention to that particular concern kfc tialit havt tc look aitci evaluating tile health oi that iuuiviuual. You nay not knoe this it yen tor.11 fine, no you have any iota of hok cany employ ets aoikeu at the Exxon Refinery in those years that you vtrt in charge of auuinisterina this meoical surveillance proprais? Its. it. ruuno 'nuisbers at the time 1 reported ir. 1 &b7 in that position at had approxinately seven tnousanu tktloytes in the roiinoiy ano cneiaical plant anicl. aas all part of the sane complex unit. Anu this meoicul physical txaiii nation, aeoicul surveillance prosiau, aas somethin;; you were in wiiSv I ULi Its, 1 aas. Now, aid these physical induct tht regular takir.t ct x-rays? EH001317 ! Oh. 1 Ul.Ui\j. A. . it kil lOLtll.t I o olli.lL a Ll.t S l 1'UJ Cl, these UiiL.1 lib 01 OliS , -' t, , oiu >00 ii) or oil. you LaVL peep 1 o intie it the - relii.try uiit itao too x-rays anc. interpret it thut-solVOS or 1100 hlil tl.it Uiliulo-O? A All 01 u.o i-r.yi hero li.terpietee ona i xritter. ropcit '^ivon L> a oortilioo 1 iuic,lobiat, a stooiiliit xi.o nos tr.inoo ir. iou,lo0i . q - hoolu tiiit L-e sou.tLc.cy tl.it voiloo' lot ixxui. ci ioo.oc.ooy tiiit 0011.00 in Lstur. KU.6t that ooulo teat ii. on i cciitioct oasis? A -It was ci, i oonti act basis. They ooil not employees ol tl.t company. Cl So, you got an outsloo raciolo4ist to couc in aim read your x-rays? ` A las. t, Anu then i ht repGrteo anything suspicious or ii lit hie a question what ooulo be uone? A hvtry interprotat ion ol the x-iay was cictateu, typeu up ano was given as a report what the laboratory iincings on tost ir.uiviuual. The x-iey . report was incluotc ano that went to the examining physioiii. oho then hau tl.e laciulOfcist rtport oi tht linuings on that x-ray. q ii thtie 1.1 iiiytiiiiit, ti.at ton nteo&u to be cueckeo out woulo then tht inoustrial hygiene department bel involveu? A hell, ii at touno anythin^ abnoiiual on the l-lay anu eho 0131^ I LK. JuhN 1. LkuM 1 -lo 2 3 ll cailtu to ir.e attbntiui. ui tut pli> siciiin nt 4 USSiLuiatuly lliti. WC-LiL ^ICluLi) CWhSLlt kill. ll.l rauiuio,,ist oi. mat liii., knowing tl.t clinical 5 6 lii.eiu,,s ai.u itviuv tut, anc it thtrt was any 7 ^utsticn, (.1 cuiibt, tht ir.custrial hysitnist was a also tiuu0ht into the uiscussiun ii: view cl the aLnerwal rt ^ert g low lLentiowco inu ii. those years, '57 io 'li, at 10 aii> 6ivur. tiise tht work loict involvtu approximately 11 12 -suvtu ir.uusanc? 13 lea, uppicx.is.atbl/ that iiust-ar. 14 Ii. il.ose years whilt you were ii, Latcn RuuBe eic yew 15 ever fine any bviuenut ot asetstesis? 16 Nt , 1 ok not . 17 Did you ever line any tv iwwnce ci Iut.j, cancel that 18 was in any way associutew in anyone's wine with 19 occupational axposuxtl 20 ho, wt Qio not ouririj that perioc. 21 litre you awart ol any iuciutnwt ot mesothelioma? 22 No. None hac been itportea all ouriup, that perioc. 23 Now, in ilit years mat yew were in latch KouBt- m 24 ' S? anu 101 wtrt you evtr. awart that nsbestosis 25 towlc causa mesothelioma? 26 No, ourinfc that time raise you mentiontC it was nut 27 - - no rib. '26 Now, wc i-cuiiuitii -~i isentiunea asLestosis a hucient 29 aBo. low ir.cicateu that chart wtie no evidence oi 30 any asLestosis. 11. your txptrienut is asLestosis 31 EPO 01 319 1 ^p.. jUhh 1 bbbnL -11- 2 3 ^okcdiiiiii you can Bcv iii one lu;.fc anu neve chi. other 4 lu.,, Lj.reai clear anc normal at. x*vay? 5 A 1 V.C.L1L novel anticipate yust cal unilateral une 6 lull;, involvment, because any breatatr.j, yuu &o 7 through the respiratory tiach you're tailing ahuiiC 8 cut main bionchus oiviuinj, in tao a;.c there's no oay 9 tu separate any movement ol the air Lion, one slut to the otne'r, sc 1 koelu have tu say ir aoulu nave to 10 he --it auele have to involve both lobes ol tiit 1-1 12 Ion* . l< hoe, vt'vt been taibihp about these physicals use 13 14 the iact tiiat they kere set up tor all ci these 15 . thousanas oi Exxon employees. Lie you atten.Lt to 16 try to oo physicals, such as you vert Goint lor the17 Exxon employees, lor tht incepchetr.t contractors' 18 employees v>ho inij^ht come into tlie plant on occasion? A No, ><e never eiu any physicals on contractor 19 20 employees. he hac no reccrus on them. he hae no base lino stuoies_ ano Vie uicn't have access to then 21 22 on a regular basis. he r.tvtr uia examine 23 contractors. 24 h Those people woulo not have teen your employees, 25 ri6ht? 26 A ho, they sere not. They sere not on Exxon payroll 27 ana ve here only responsible ior tne examinations ot 25 Pxxc-h ~* ' 29 V bo, tor someone that came on kith the plant 30 temporarily i`oi a short construction yet anc then 31 EH001320 i Li* * JLi*i* 1 Li>LLl -n lu.il i.bair., > CL WOUlCr.'t li.VL a I.) UCttil 1C a physical thlil they may Lave Icuiivu. iCt.twl.eie else rer their employment with Laxon, right: A he, we wolIo nave no meeicai recorcs at all, no reports, no recorcs. e, hew, the kino el woi her that wcele come line the plant temporarily ano co seal yob am thtn leave a a i n, weule have, iron. a practical stancpcir.t, tjie alii lit-/ te follow up cr. that employee at a later C it V L ; A he. he wuuicn't even knew wj.c the inaivieeal waa. li they were in wcrking with a contractor we woulcn't have this knowietge. Iht me a leal cepurtment weald net have the iaiuriua t i on . L So, from a practical atanupcir.t was it even feasible to try to co any kina ui meoical iUivelllar.ee ter contract employees? A ho, ke'ti have no ii.ieru.ation . hew, was anything eci.c or any program set up tc try tu evaluate the inciuenct oi ual.cer? A its. V.e hue an ongoing program which was starttu by our parent company many years ago tu register from- eeath certilicates all causes ol death. Ann, because of seme concerns that ve hac looking alter the health of the employees we started a cancer registry which was wipe- be-ins ecr.c by cany universities ana somt ol the states were .requiring ioentificatior. of certain Disease conaitions. EH001321 1 uk . j ulm T LLOiiL -ii.- 2 3 ukay . i.us tills alreauy ir. pinct when you there 4 ir. 5 oil, jts. Lc nan ar, enjoin,, legist!) oi. all ceaths 6 ai,o uia,,r,uses. he lsi.ii the ihternaticoal cett lor 7 ele^nos1U,, all cases ci otaili. S to )ll know whor. that hue, been implemented? 9 1 woele uvi to say st l.ac started tl.at tail) on 10 wnen 1 took my lirst position with the company ii. 11 1L47 . be 1 woele say it probably developed that 12 prufarau. aiounu ll>4b --'4b, tarly ir, iuy cared. 13 Sc it VtS ii, place ir, baton hLepL wuen ycu p,ht 14 there? 15 It was in place by the medical department, the 16 corporate cr0auitatici,, anc in all ol oui iiiecicai 17 departments throughout ti.e ci aanitat ioi.. 18 how, could you explain tu the yury haw that registry 19 workeo ana vnat the purpose oi the registry was? 20 hell, the purpose ol the registry was to look alter 21 the health oi our employees ar.u oetermine iron that 22 it there were any health problems aue by a'oir,), that 23 we ueeceo to have tht causes ot ueath, diagnoses, 24 heart ciseasu, cancers, strokes, any oi thost 25 conciticns and we iaeutiliea them by, as I said, ar, 26 international coae which all physicians use on death 27 certiiicates. '2B Aim wis- ms purpose to alert ycu ii thtru was any 29 uncommon incidents or ui,usual inciuents or anythin^ 30 that would leao somebcuy to ti.ink there was a 31 HO 0132 2 1 u t\ j Utiti 1 -iu- 2 j.lOLiUL-7 3 4 A hull, sell., inis vault it o00L sour.e s-n.ii.ni 5 i-riaiu. is ktcj. tuoe uculs anc fct iLU ic observe 6 Siicnlu there In anythin,, Ll.nl o.i,,t.L appt.r in be 7 aohGriual yoL'u Le aware cl it by lochir-s it your statistius. 8 9 ^ Acs, Ki.cn you Lent i or. statistics ccc-s that involve 10 tiit cisuirline oi epiuetuoloa'/? 11 A its, that's a sy.tciai.it) . LciQtiuioio^y, a tern you 12 use as sptciiicall) an inoiviuual who thtn units 13 out ar.u iouhs at Sptciiic cor.uitiuns ai.c uous a 14 statistical evaluation. 15 ^ 1 tiOU't want to 6c into biuat uutuils LtcausL 1 16 think the next witness is acma to bu - 17 A Is an ej-iiiea.icloaist. 18 --is an epiceLiiolctist . 19 A Ano that isn't oiy speciality. 20 ^ All ri^ht. hut you ale await that epiueniolOgical 21 surveys ana stuuies wtre cone at the La ton kot^e 22 plant 7 23 A uh, yes, cuiinittly. 24 1. how, in your role as ti.u Assistant heoical hirectcr 25 woulu you have occasion to sper.u a y,uou portion oi 26 your timt out in the fielu? 27 A les. first ot all, just out u interest to know 0 that the veri. kiiv ri ut-eeil is so you can evaluate the 29 heaitli oi iiniivicuals when you art examining thtn. 30 it was important iui te to have a icti ior the typt 31 EHO 0132 3 1 Li* jui.;. *i. LhcSc " LI " 2 3 01 UV.1S fliO U.LlVlLLul St, WneTl i uiu UXaLir.L tl.dU 4 altL i,ut tiiL l.lStOl) 1 WOUlu kr,0W What was 101,01 led. 5 be, jls, ,,tttinb tut iii the lielu one observing 6 lirst i.ur.o i think uss an ' important [.art cl wi.at 1 7 hau to to. 8 nuuic you often accompany the industrial hygienist 9 out into the licit? 10 /V les. That was i:ut unusual loi me to bo out into tut 11 lioiu'uitl. tiii li.uusuiai hygienist to look ai on 12 o,.uintioi. or look ~t a jtl ci evaluate an muiviuuai 13 v.uo uat a ^articular uo-ulcal complaint. 14 At that time tut industrial li/t,iu-i.ist wes );ll 15 \enable, rip,ht? 16 A Hint was free VenuLle, toircct, 17 k hlio's now bectasoe, iitI:t? 18 A That's correct. 19 k biu you fine Lin. to be a consci tut lots ant well 20 respected industrial hybienst to t].c field? 21 A Oh, yes. 1 would say I-reu was probably one ot the 22 most conscientious, sincere, )iarc-workiiis, 23 ueoicated, a real credit to Ins profession, anti very 24 ethical.- l'es, top notch. 25 Sow, Ur. Leone, in out into tut field as you 26 would, both witn tlit industrial hybienst anu 27 sometimes on ycLr own, wool a you have occasion to 23 witness refinery i-rations , turn-urour.es , 29 construction, oiiierent px.usts ot refinery 30 activities? 31 1 Ui. -UcN "l. LLLi.i. -d* 2 3 J\ Its. 1, til o I.LLl.tr OCLLSioI.S , u I Itll ti.L 4 uieClLul Utfill tt.el.t UI J.dL IL ,0 tC C 1 l t L T cHl. 5 locations ilj tilt .ldlit Li I tL COM! tL tl.t CL C k 6 soiuetines, at i.uu tsnkeis tc look attei, seanan 7 LGLir.6 iii, sc it was r.ct unusual tc 0c- through the 8 various rtlincries oi plant operations anc have a 9 ui.uLCl tc observe Lti. at cork him activities. 10 t, Lie you have cccasici. tc siLpiy witness insulation activities? 11 12 n les. uitci. cn tLiii-aicLi.cb cr guii.;, cut ci il tl.tit 13 ktrt acLiutnts, anc soicetiLts tc klhi cut ci. tut 14 aiebdance, yts, Wt code nave aii Lj.pcrtHilty tc bee 15 activity oi tliat ty^e. 16 Li Louie yet have cccasior. tc act contract oLpioyces 17 wcrkirii side by sict, txxcn OLpluyees'! 18 A -Its. Ihey cede bt out inert working it the saiee 19 area. 20 I, Nov,, in jeer trips ii.tc tht plant, ate hew 21 frequently cede you Lake tl*tse icrayb into tlie 22 plant ? 23 A hell, it wasn't a rcatlci ebtaclishec schedule, cut 24 it wculcn't be unusual tc ,<=1 nut cnee a aonth or' 25 every six weeks, net unesud. 26 p Anu, in tne periods oi tiite over trie years tliat you 27 witnessed insulation activities ciu you tver see no . anyth'r.^ tI.lt itot: -- cucupaticnal health stuuc^uint 29 you ccnsicerec tc be a pTobloiu? 30 A no . 1 wcciu say no. 31 E MO 01325 i-K. ju.: j- i.lL yeO CVtl bt.L Shat ) L.0 OOUSlOLlOL tt Ll wiCcssi vtly oust) tr.v i roniuonts involve* -- ibiocUtLL hill. those insulation activities'; A No, 1 uien't ulserve ar.ytfcino ct that ui.ti.fL. Lit you siti.uss 01 personally observe tut piooess oi osini, Laid il hti eosr. art5 to minijaite oust? its, lust Lat bur.LaiL prcceoore u, those Operations. lCL SCUlt Set tl.tlli 1.0S111J, LLV,li. 11.a l hub tut normal ptOCeunte. 1 LS , Xj 1 L )eO p t1" a Olio 1 i y set i*.l . VtliaLlt COlIl^ L.0 It 11 f T i 1. ^ am. ail samplinp curii.^ tnose years ot wli'k fliV ii Liil.tl.tai A lea, 1 uio sit tree or. a r.uiubtr ot occasions iukLu6 measurements, titr.tr ii. tiit: arta ot noise sin. instruments ci utttir.p samples, sir samples. Nos, se mentioneo tilt mecical Qej.eiti.tnt sue the safe --ana the inoustrial hygiene Gepurtnicnt. has ti.eifc also a saicty ut par tment ? A Yes. liie company hae a very active satet) oepartEitut, Lot tUat is net in the medical oepaitment. in aoGition, though, to the saiet) ana in aoeitiur. to tne industrial hygiene one metical aaparutr.ta tnere sas also saiety eepartment? mat is correct. A satety Gopartment aia eiist. Ana uuLi. you say tut) sort --they sere active, typically shat bino ot involvement soulo they liave in Operations? EHO0132 6 l 1 1/1.. jUi.h 1. LLei`,1. 2 3 A hell, the SUlet) Cij.artlttl.t l.Ue the IcS i-tlisi til i ly 4 cl leokn.0 uitei muC) ai.u as lar as the operations 5 hu eci.oeri.cu in teaching saiety ai.u they i.uu rro,,ru;as cirtcitc at salt practices, anc obviously 6 7 eocreihuttu utli inunstrial hy0iti.e ane 8 I_nviichu.ci.ial l.calti. aii.ee there ns itet overlap of 9 rearunsiLility loosing alter the environment. 10 v, how, in these years that you acre ii, baton hot0e 11 Kale jee cvei aware ol any proe-ien associuteo with 12 asbestos uust oil ciuthihgV 13 n. iiL , I V>Ud l*Ct oVcIe Cl till)' . 14 c, Lie you ever peiCoive ti.e uete te take any special 15 precautions with elothin,, ol j-eoplc who worl.ee with 16 inselaticn? 17 A ho, not at all. 18 ^ here yen ever aware ol ai.y potential haiaro te 19 families of insolation workers? 20 A No, none. 21 it '..ere you aware,. again, ir. tiie times yoo were in 22 Laton hougt of any literature si.oi,tstinb seen a 23 possibility ? . 24 A No, not lie literature. 25 L here you aware at any time ouring those years oi any 26 laws or regulations or steiicaros that wculo have 27 ap.plieo euncerning a parson's clothing? 26 29 1, how, there has been ment ioneo a time or two curing 30 this trial to a Lr. ieiikelte. hho is lir. 31 = 1001327 1 Lk. jOl.il 1. LcUhi. 2 -,,i- 3 Seiikaite: . 4 r. i.tli , ji . Sal ike it e ii a pia'ltssor at l-.t. Siui n. 5 New 'i ark Mia'a a spacialist m luiij ciscaie. 6 0 ala lit cc a lot at hoik at,a itsaaicL ii. the iielu oi 7 aiicslti uulilit. tiie ihaL's? a r. 1 0uess 1 really can't anshti that sii.ca 1 haven't 9 tollfckau ins Lirur, Lut 1 knot. mat nc's publisheo 10 articles on taat. 11 k Lkny. V.eli, aia ) on tv cl hav t ctColliL to Litl alii, 12 Lil . SelikoiLe ? 13 A Its, 1 lit. 14 k . 1'.hen vis that? 15 A in tiic Spring oL ikas I has attending a seminar on 16 chest cistast Miicii has 6ivtn by tr.a k.t . Sinai stall 17 ana lit. Selikolle participated in mat as ai.e at the 18 presenters hhen lie spoke to us ano presented - 19 material about asLestos. 20 k okay. Ana abut aic yoa learn about asbestes at that 21 mee tills? 22 a hell, I learnaa at that tiae tl,t relationship has 23 asbestos to n,esotheliuu.a . 24 k Lia you --has there anything discussed at that 25 pra^mi, ci put on by P.t. Sinai ano Lr. Selikollt 26 ooncernina housewives ar stconoary exposures to 27 no No, 1 liaaru no isention oi that. 29 Noh, at this neetina cia you have occasion tc 30 discuss hith Lr, Selikciit ti.a p:0j,Taiss that Lxa.cn 31 H HO 0132 8 1 Ur.. oUi.iN 1. LbUhL -1l" 2 tl IliiiL tint liat 11. ^.laCe? 3 4 ,, 'its. Lurinb the tiscussiun --tuiir.b li.e stt.ii.ti 5 LLLicti iliu i llui.tc j.robran.s kcit cistListL. /. 6 trtbrna. ol gui lor exot-jit, kgs revitvec. ar.c 7 coa.iuer.ts wtic tin u.at tver)li.intt uus Ltir.b -- . j ,8 liK t.1.1. lh m th i UU uctiGii 9 lour honor, tc the 10 Hearsay. 11 r.K. LLLiAKL: Well, lcul 12 ~ lior.tr, I think he's or. 13 txrir: xitr.ess ar.c lit is 14 ti.titieu to rely on cil.ti 15 exports ii. I'.elpiiii it 16 toil. Ms opinions a i:t 17 ccr.tlusior.s . 18 hh. WLHlhFhTih: U-s, lour 19 honor , about a.t) Lt 20 o ta 1 ins witi, this piGtrac., about Mu his 21 22 ^rOaras. operates, but 1 23 think no's bettihb rtae) 24 to uiscuss an endorsement 25 ti sowebccy saying, 26 "hell, aaa boy1', or 1 27 tor,'t knot that lie's AU -' * btttiu0 ieaOY to say , 1 29 - think he can talk about 30 anal other experts ar.t he 31 EMO 0132 9 UU . JUk.' 1 LUUl'.i. U1 ALLiSCU ialU WlituC i>U tuU.K* lb U jjUOL lut 1 Lelitve it1 s llUli 1 i il ) to say what bUiueL'Ou) who's r.ot here ir. court suio aloel your p ro^ r d i*. Ar.u, that's aiy objcctiuie LUjh.'l; >ituuut knowir.fr Kht iit`;s poihj, to sty it1 a kiil oi tuuth. LLblAkbl hell, let hit -- ilI Ufi J USt UfrprCaUll it a uilierunt 'ay, `iuui l.oncr . k l)iu yen have occasion --without sayihb what L'r . Selikolfe told > ou eiu you have uucasion to cxplaih to hie. tut "Lxxou'a plenties ano tiiorts that you currently huu in place? A hell, 1 hue leteireo to tlie ittGicai surveillance ar.c the x-rays that we weie outuinir.fr on gut employees ano to see it there wtit anythin*, else that we ccula uu to insure that tne best techniques and knowleufre us mace available tG our physicians looking after utifrlOyees, any insulators ur asbestos workers, k Al.u Ciu you coite away tiou that ajettih*, leelih*, tl.at you have a ^oue pro^raci uiiu that you were ocihfr all EHO 0133 0 nt*. jLiih 1. nuLhe . "x:* )vL lLLIl UU? A' Ks . 1 kii VtTj OUtilCItaLle i-lltl tUUt .i-lM-Lbslll. Ultll the UhotrSlaUuihli thill. Uitl. tilt >rtathl V.nti>lLtet tt hi.1. u were uakir.,, ever)tains availuLie is cculo tc ttr cxccinihs physicians oi. ctr rrobrbm lot ineuical survei 11 ur.uu . !.L. LixiiAhi': Hidr.k you, ' Luctor. Ac. lurtnt: Lli^ . ILL LLL.K1 : tint U;ih6 Lticit. he kh Uhl tuithc.1 . i ;ust i.ctu tc tail y'uli oiout L) x xluc r b i X 1 a i it t b dixu U.at 111*. viliii;b to CO, Lut, 1 tele J 1 ill . COUU) 1 l.dVt tO iktil someone in in Fort Allen at i.: hi. , riK, L Li. Ill 1 LI Lk: leu'll note to leave v.htr,, lour Loner? ILL uULKl : Frc'oall) in aLout lilt ten or tuenty minutes. Nov,, I'm willing to come Lack ano . - * Finish this arte bc as lcr.j, as y'all ' want to content. 1 uen't iiait E HO 01331 ui.. 1 LbULL ili) tiubli.i. kill; tliai. tiK. Ml liir-Ll La : ho, sir, 1'li L i r. l s i. u i-. 11.L LMAT: May. LnuSti UA1-.ILA'1 ION l\ kk. Mill A HIT I it: k Lai L.a jLSi rotitk ity nutts, li . Ltel.t. 1 uilii'i Lbvt. n.t rluusurt-ui ouj-usiho you ur.G this is ti.u Li lit tiu.t: fce'it L.C.I . Ltt ;,t bit you, navt you suti. uitl looms ill tl;t Latui: ituuDi; runner/ alttr l',,l? A Nil, 1 nova not . 1, Aok , os 1 appreciate it >c.u Lecon-t Assistant huoical LiTtsctDr in ILL/, true: A Correct. betore that in iS4? you joinec tint Liaon brcup? A That's iibl.t. i, All iitlit. 1 nisstc --kuut sere you Men you joinec tlit. j,ruup? ' A 1 us at La> oiiiit keiinti) lr; Layor.ne, Nek Jt-isey, la) lirst assij,iuaent. 1, . Tes, sir. Ana your jab tnere kas Mat? A 1 kas plant physician at that rtiintry. That kas the title then, a. * physician? A iial.t physician. L here you part cl the --was tout a .0. Ceipany --a EM001332  r.. JUi.n i . LuUi'i. itul.Lolb l1 but....Ly ? n lui'b n^nt . it v.,.5 S.U. otanLaru at that tint, p Okay . Urt )ll akart cl auat r.ruuucin1>-operat icns , the .1'iiLlt, the ' hi. p'abt articlt of cust prooucinp Uj-tratitui :. bt . p --enei. you joined the Lxxoi. y,rcLy in 11.47? a 1 6uesi 1 uui.'t knee the aiticie ju'rt rtierrii.. co. U Ail ri6nt. It's Lotn ihiiooutto os llsunilL ' s - . . 1'a. jOsl --have you ever rtiitkio this oi seen this, "Last Irceuuiu,, Operations 7" A ihitness vitos exhibit) ho, 1 have not. (, All right. Anu you haven't seen it at or.) unit? loaay is the iirst tiiue- jou'vo seen this? A 1 have never sttn that. Apparently it's somethin^ aatea 1S57 1 see cn the cover sheet. 0 l'es, sir, 1S27. hov, , otole it bt ccriect that you eon't knov. what- oust counts were ir. the breathing tone o hatch Rcupe relinory emnlcyets frea. l&S? to lioi? ' A he. 1 ciu net l.analt oust samples. .0 Anu, not only that, Lot would it Ue correct that whatever aust counts there were arc not known tooay anu were net known then, ano (res lw;.7 ti, It'.-i at. ' tn'e ta'ion koL^e rtimeiy? A hell, 1 wouldn't have any knowledge. 1 think you're . askinb Sit would 1 know vert thtie all} UlSt COUlltS . E MO 01333 i_h . jui.L ). LuLhL i uC<li C V Ail ric.iu, yoo won't Lr.oe . A MbJ.t. l, Alio yoo wcolci.'t l.r.ov, an) oast oc.oi.ts tor contract woiUn oi unyLoey, tiut? Hi. wore net await ct any Lbii LCbuli at thu iaiiivr;' ooriiit litut C i CiL l A i wculc not j.atcah)' Luck 1 utt oi this, whether U.Lic welt uooi.ts none or hot. t, Ail rifclit . now - A counts on/ iiau tool, uoi.o Lot 1 kooloj.'t know this. W Ail riDi<t. heil , lot t.t ask yoo soa.oti.ir.;,. 'lhoso liavt loor. r-rev ioesly intioooco-o. Ihe) ocr.tori. a loooii.4 cpelaticn it. the l.ojuLor tko alert, house. 11 hi air`l. si.ov. you llaihtiii's hxhitil-1, a Octcber 2S, 1LL1 coceuent, which is Dr. iiansen? --ee you know A Yes, I knot* who hr. hausen is. ^ Ai'.o Ur. hanson was wi.o? A Li . hanson was the niLcical oirootor there prior to a.y assignment'. he Uc itsi6heu Lei ere 1 hint to Later. houbt, Lot 1 know ki.c 1,l was ar.o i hao not hie. ht was a practicing physician in hater. Koept alterwarus . v. All Clpht. he, accorcir.n to this cocuisent, hau to improve hr. VenaLle's oust counts. Is that the riaht uay te roue that .u.uucia t A Apparently this is a ltttci that Fito \tnaLle has written to ahr. hcore ii. the storage cepartotr.t cHO 01334 Li\. . jL2. L^ur.L LluLl. vilryiLig GUV 3lULlt.i Wl uLit wcucui.ti-atioiis cuiir*0 ur. Uhsr.ij.puc ulIclwu.,. ot biii,.ii.cr.i. Inal's the cccuiutnt you'vt ,,i vir. nt. k lei, in. kob , l'u. beinb to txhiLit to you nob in cunnc-tici: bill, this cocusitr.f riair.li li ' s-ii , htiick is "has Flee Yenstle nt tut toy, Cray --Luxent Luy, r;Ut.Ler tbo stuubt tuiluihj,, ahu it snjs, "xuy ci. chest, scsj-icious ot lens irritant." it "cneub oil uebrtu cl asLtslos ot cinei toxic oust eXyObClL." lr yoe boelc 1 tilth that so that i col. osi. yco o i,utstioii oi two obcui it, sir. iUlIk-LOS KbYlbhb bOLU-.Lkl j libvt you Ttvi uti that, sii V A its. k Lie you ever --or cic ti.t u.tcical ctj-oruici.t evti fine out Kliu t wos bcinb on with t.r. Lity's lonbs or uo you know? A 1 boulon't knob . U.is is ISSi, tr.t doit, one 1 hasn't in tilt baton kcufct reiintry, so 1 have hg knobltubt ot this. k 1 appreciate that. - Lie Free Yenablt as ill inuustrial hygienist in the iseuical atij.artnitiit bitii. you in lbS7 to iiiuj tvtr oisuoss tht- situation like thbAe Ciruy's with you? A ko. 1 ntvti ktaru cl tebtnt Cioy . Sony, 1 cor.11 knob butene dray. k All ribln . lr. 1 j47 you uu bit.1; tlit bixon aiouj., correct? EHQ0133 5 j.i.. ui/i.;. LhCNu -"j- A ll.ul'd 2 1 qJ'iL . . N loO'Vt iLbtllltu 10 that. ill , II. 1147 til. J CU UVl ucillo;. ic roac too Nth Lh-.lai.c Journal.ci hituiLir.e lib a rtierer.ee in 11.47? A i'c Live to ste hNut (Oii'it roierrii.j, tu. ts Its, sir. I've uurhee tl.is us a yutlicatioi. --tlit --jl.v. Nth LN^laiii. aoun.ai or Aeaicii.c. Ait you liiiuiiiar hitli tiit yLblication? A Its, i'o. iaiti 11ui him H.t Nth Li.hl&r.o cn.ri.ul oi !hoU i Lll.t . t, Ain- here ycL so leiuiliar hiti. Ti.t Nth Midland Journal ot Ace ic-ine in 11.17 7* I. n 1 hi.eh oi Hit Nth Lr.hlai.u Journal cl Acoioino in 1S47 . I. Us, sir, certainly trot. >goi stuuit-s, tioc? A Yes . A And you voulu aj,iet it's ctTtair.ly or.t c tlit premier publications in tlit United States? A Gii, yes . . A Anc, it you huLilo, 1 oirtet your attention to tlit lirst stiittnct am. rtuo u.t lust sti.tti.ee unuer ''Frtstntution oi Cast." bo you kr.ch that this article yreservts? A I've never seen tnis aiticlt beiort. A houla you rtao tht tirst sentence unatr "rrcccntatiou ci'Cast" icr 'tnt jury ripht here? A it reieis to a case cl a Shecish asLestcs hcrktr entering a hospital uitn couaJi ana chest pains. So HH001336 JUT. 1 . LLUni: J.filtl.tl) i;'s S CLic rt^UTL 1 j.lLSUIsC. nhc >.i.i. j.ji lui.t ' $ --vjiuvu just this ci.l suiiu.u i.tiu, ll ; cl'i leuc it lei the jui>, ri^nt litre. It iu.iv.ii ttv ui. cj.ei atioi. cuttin0 ashestcs cCoras. Ail ri0iit. Ar.c u }ll uouic tun. to, 1 believe it'i rvtv 4i: c,r -ill. i-.K. LELIAKt: leei honor, excuse lut, 1 'u lilt t u lccj,= an objection. ine - hector Jias ir,Gicatoc he's never been this Ltloie. Other than the lact nu rtLotli;iits Thehta L r. u 1 a r. cJcurnalol hecicine as bcin,, a j o u r n H 1 at the tin.c, proper lour.aation iuisn 11 ettn laic ie-i tlris article thrcc^h tr.ii v ltiiess anu 1 would object tu j U S t lictV 1 lib t iiC Lector reaa stiitehcti' here one. t Ltrt tor scnittJiiiii he's never seen. ji.rv. ' hue ini i.1 hi.: lour hGner, notice tc a ccEucan/ as vast as txxui, cal. t MO 01337 I Lit, jLi.it 1 . LLLhi. 3L- certainly --it's ,-artl, BULL this Last IS iltn, he's ILStitieu II, e i-uLlication s --a J. Te];.i e TL rLtliCLtlCR. lie's leatilitu i.l >,1,5 we oi li in ll-ili. he kurheu i & i Lxaui. iii 1L i, 7 . 1 cur.'t Kiiuv lion kt can liu LLCli Letter than LI.at. i plannuu --i'ti Loir.i, tL ass ii ire some lulioi.-ui questions cor.cernina liit. teo . hit. LLL1ANL: l.ell, Igui honor, l'u. ikirt oi sone text'ocohs toL, tut 1 haven't reau then,. he's inuicateo he's never seen this before. I'.h. itLhlNFiiii.lt: Nell, I Eoint to eiiect scat questions' to that, Counsel. Kh. LLL1AK13: lour iionor, 1 object to -- TliL 'wCuitil i uiiuerstaiiu your objection ar,o I'm tL'iiia to see vhere it leans , .1001338 1.1. . sjLfl.ii 1 i i.i.Lfi.1 i'll 111 ull. ask Lift c,Lesticu L l 1 tl.ls uu, li lit tets .iur-iiciu l hill SUStalU it. i-.k. kLiiiM'inLk: IliarA you, lit . h li. Hi? al.at type ti ii.tc.ichl lestaicn ucparti..ei,i ciu 1.1.1. Of, LaUl? i, 1 i.tvtr.o kr.c.vltit~u ct tl:L itstfiiLi. tui.ariii.tut. 1 tclt >ll i aas assignee as a plant physician iu Luyuni.t. lntitti.l ially, you l.at tiven L.t ar. tititlt i.ei t ar.t iii i-.aiuk ti '47 1 l.tir,11 aver, aiti. tl;e coiupar.j then. 1 aas still ti. active tut) uu tilt U.S. Army. k -All ripht. liat iu l-.arci. ol 1547 art you ttllir.u ret you have riG ki,caleube anatsuevei tit the ubSO lesearch division or any ol it's activities or anat tiit) tit in rfcltrtnct to reyiea oi the literature? A No, 1 lievt i.o knoaltobt ol ahat the rtstarcii uivisioi. ui Star.oaru till Company ol Nta Jtrsey aas ir. Raid. ct 1547. ' C Art you iamiliar aith tiit name cl Robert Eckere? A i'es. 1 cio mett a hr. Eckexu aho aas with the S.u. Rtstarcii as 1 recall, but that aasn't in 1547. Ihat O..S 1 " T 1. T ett'.l 1 t.Li f 1th tilt CuiupaliJ ant 1 ""It aas several years alter that, a All ribin. Lc j ou knoa al.c aas tut mtcical uiitutcr EH001339 i 1 J.h.jbh.>i.i.aC..h "i 2 3 eL U.t h.L. aeStaiLj. ir, 11.47? 4 A he, 1 eon't knew. 5 k Lc ) CL tiill.k It's ilt.lt. ilkti/ Ci.il. Hit tj.il tin. b.L. 6 nciLircii biviaici. [Litiui. Ti.t has Ln..lai.c journal 7 ol titLUiu. itbt;lirl) as a tcllicatict. at it's 3 lascurLii civilian? 9 r. 1 0 0i. ' l MiCl. . 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 LiibiAhn: ^cur lionoi , i t. bt-ii-i TO objection. j.uSt ah he 1 S mu liauu lit u&em't N liL V v I. a i list. i e 5 e i* l cl. Ci\ lhlLl. kiib uLinb. i.L v* a. i v* 11 i; Uiw Aria) ai.c wrotaul) VittSI*11 tVfci. tUmkihi, abcct Lxxon at that jtriou oi tirue. To 20 have hit, SybCUlhT.i. -- 21 CobhT: Hist's exactly 22 ^ l 4i L IT. ViOVilu be , iu 23 uoulc be speculation. 24 1-Jt. hLi.ljM'h.'iLK: lour honor, i 25 oil asking r. in. it it's 26 lucre likely than net tl.at 27 the otpartnient or straesne 2o ' at exxon node. have 29 rec liven ti. is 30 publication. 31 Oii . oUlul 1 . LLWiL - It- LL'Lihl I l.c 'a IxU Its O T < (^Ui-1 i Lie's. to an.5>V.L1 tijGV ilL ltd la i Ii L i.t wiliisli'l tl.ere . 1 cod u ahSUtr iw tot yon il yon nui.t, but 1 Lean i t 1 s -- 1 think I l.euro Lit. Line ol 6roan t fie ar.sati Leloit tne gi)fcetiun LLi . i,t sum lie notsl.'t kiiGu . i'tii. 1 correct, Looter? IhllisLLii utiM iNLLS AlsSnLKj A l'fc5. 1 l.UV fc IiO bliGUloC^t Ll ai.at kbb ^ClTi^ Cl. lit harcii ot 1547 . i< All ri^hx. Lie. )ll as a ^i.jsiciai. leooive Ihe Saw Enalanu Journal ol heoicine in 1547 in l.arcL? A Ko, 1 aiii net receive tne j.obliCuticn . L Lie j-eL-lit litieries rtttivt in inuicli ot 1547 The Ken cnplana Journal ot Lieuicine7 A bell, 1 r I es one tbey conic. It's availaL-lt to anyone alio aunts to tabu ti.e publication. ' I, Lr.at t>j;u oi people --you acre a ooctcr in t.urcli cl 1547 , were yon --yon acre, sn? A its. . bbet -i'r- -- i-G-i-li Voolu be ineeresteu in ruceiviiiu 'Hie hen Liialanc Journal: oi -..ocicine in 154 7? A litll, 1 tmrA anyLony ano is inteioutoo in tne tmiu E.4001341 1 2 3 4 o 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 77 28 ' 29 30 31 Li, jbl.i. 1 . Lcer,L LL iLLLlCihc ILl bl,L Ult a J.LL1 i Let i Lit ui L LCLlUl jllillI. "iitcit kit Lhe Jin.rr.Ll Mn-ncn, heurcai AsSLClaLluli L I- Tilt; i-.ee LUclaHO JOLTIial cl )..LLlCil,L . Inert in --anc inert art start publicaLions. 'll.ere L T t ILany , L,Ln> HCC.iCL.1 j O U ri.L 1S available LL ahysiciuns ti.LL can be reae. Lid )CC CC eXuL.L 01. Li.fc people ei.O in inYclveo i r. Llit LcLiiiil LL.ntillai.cL j.rcit.riiLi? its. 1 ii.ciciiLec 1 tic in cur cicyirLiiciir, il curry Ul. LLLlt.il tXillui Uii-L 1 OTiL CL cur LLl 1 C >' e tL . e Ar.c u ill kr.ee enar --licit ycL uui.t ar.y iollce-u,. or supervise ir.) lolica-u* sLucics ci any asbestos eolkcrs 1L Lot kxxon 1'iaiiL? rt l,o, 1 r.iver tie any Lrttiiic aiUstos ctLt lulloe- up. . hr. Ora/, in plainLiii's txl.ibi.1 5, <, 5, ar.c i believe 21, he aas a laborer, wasn't lit? 1 have no knoalfcobt ct this rear.. leu skGeec on a memo in '51. 1 cur.'L know ana he is. h bus unyboty evti Gone' a slug/ Gi Lhe asteLLos workers LkaL Lxxon eupluyeec ir. Lhe 'ill's ano ' t-b ' s Lu yuui know 1 eu p e ? A To u.y 'kriLilcLjt ae tic r.uL . k bo you knee hoe ior.b lixxou employee insulators! A how lent ciu Liity employ et ir.LUlators? '"i, " 1 uu moan alien Liiey iirst starnhj, employing Li.ciu? its, sir. .10013X2 i I i i i i.h ho , 1 eol.'t ktiCV. kl.el. they lust startou. be- )OL Look kl.LT. U.t> "LlL ti.t> tVtr Stc,. eioployin;, ir.sLlk.tcrs? . A i iiuVt TIC iCea CL Li.e Clu L1 L-)'Clel. t . k hk.YL- JfLO Leon infon-tc 01 or hoc rclatLO CC you tilt te.stiLoi.jr oi hr. Loyle Lull ir. tl.is case? A ooyit Lobos? ' k ?.o, sir, I'm soriy. hr. Loyle Lull, have >ou ev.i Uc, 1 UkVl.1 UUia.ru X.UU TiUIuU . k 1 nc Ha kit OUfcbli'u iuih to you. Ai u you -- UaVU you tvtr soli* Ixxun iu^ulatoii or. the slot UU ii; Iti; oi ai*; year suLst-CjOCi.t thereto LSL patches while korl.ir,b out ii. the title or. insulation --on old insolutior.? A No, 1 never kitntsseu anythin;, like that. k havt you ever seer, an Ii.solutor issutii un hatchet? A he, I havt not. k have you eve.1 seti. them issuto a mallet? A ho, 1 kCLlo not have any Lr.ov.leube ol that. k have you ever soon any Lxxoi. insulators koar respirators? A Ln, yes, many tis.es. k houlu you a^ree the respirators art the absolute last line oi ceiei.se r out the environmental hygiene Stauoooi F.r i A Ir.aj'oe ii you kill rephrase mat. 1 cc.ii11 unctrstanu that . E XO 01 3-0 3 1 L>i> . . U-U\i. 2 3 ^ it's ii.t- lust uetnce ul.ubt.iiby 4i, inuusti i_y 4 i:) siei.ist or oocupatioLal n-euicii.t (.Xpert n. uiuur 5 6A 7 a. 3 10 ^ T1 A 12 13 A 14 A 15 16 17 A IS 19 20 *< 21 22 23 ' 24 25 26 27 40 l.uxl, ai.ui. you si.) lust iLetlieo, ull 1 colIl say is, it is a tetnuu to picviee a tuTTier so that people sill i.ut treutke ir, oust, ano tr.aL's ni.at a respirator is usuo lor. iu 1171 us you knca abut position auLurt kckeru l.aoi in i 1717 las, sir; ' no, 1 imVt no liiokicopc ot l.is position, it no was Lirectoi ol the Kt-tiul Kesuuicl, oivisioi. oi .base Ktsearu. anc Lr.uinesi ii.j, (.CBipany , you uouion't kriGa? hell, 1 knea tl.at aas l.is position, but ahat he aas aoinj, in 1S73, 1 ucn't kr.oa aheii i.e retiree, or ahat tht dates ktre. l.ijjht tilert be suue other people likt ).,r. Gray abuse lunas atrt abnormal, but you con't knoa about it, sir? hh. LtLlAKL: lour lienor, 11 is aOina to object. 11.L Cubhl: Sustainea. KK. KLblhPtTLk: lour, honor, 1 oon't have any furii.ar ' '" ' questions. 29 30 31 H00134 4 *.! . J Oi. III;.! Ki.LlK.LCl LXAK1NAT1QK- LT Mi. LLL1AKL: V, i-LLtur, )0L mem iuneu )u leit Lttan hou^e by lklj ana then yau cue ruiui^ti. a i-eutil.j, xitl. Lr. Lai lie He li. ibab. 1. litre xei e yuu if: the interim? A eat 1 u0 u.it inteiim paiiae l xaS keaiaal Li rector vitn Lsse ii. bibya. 1 xas in Libia settles up ai. ecce^tl iun.-i i:Lilil, premium lul eu.pluyues inert. t, ui.ny, ana yaa iuai.Liai.aa n. tiaabiintl in snsxatii.6 my xeastions tnt laat Ll.at >ca tax hr. Tenable uaii.0 ail sumplins ana eest ttuaiet, u& 1 unetrstane iruL. year ietj.ur.se ta hr. Lieinpeter tliat you simply touay can't tall nnyi.ee) exactly xl.at tl.t liiicinps were, xhat tfife resells xcre" A les, 1 Knox temples hart uktt, but 1 Lave no reports. 1 uion't itceiva tnem, and 1 xoulan't have any knoxlecibe oi these linaiiips . KK. LLLlAhL: Thank you. RECKCSS. EXALIKATIUK LT KX. LLEIKPETER: L Al.a lastly, you uun't knew xi.at ha was sampling, no . you Lr. Leant? A 1 just know they xere oust samples. L Toe knox tlity acre oust samples. La )aa have an) icea oi xhert the uepositery oi these Lust sample results woulu be": 0*301315 La * uUl... I LtllAi. "h" A lili , 1 kuLiLI*11 ki.Ok . Ail 1 ki.Ok ib^ti.at tilL Studies suit: sunt to a IlI iur.analysis unc ltpurts vtu . otiU.ii.LL, hut 1 uoi. 11 Vt.LiL antit tl.t) kert kept oi 1 i.Lver rtueivet tutu. L, hl.ul laLS - loti. On iilL LI tin LatCl. RoUpt keimery . or Ills, ori-sitt? A lit uit 1.01 LaVe h lbi It analyst LLit SaOt-ltS in Laton kCLsi in Hit Ktiii.tr)', r.ot in tiit Recital tb^bl'ttLtlil . t, hi.trt kttlt uctiius bt laL rtsults cl oust cmii.il L-l strt? A i Ii-bll)' LLl. 11 klltk tilt- bCLktl' It lUt. l, 111, bS Assistant Recical Lirectcr working kill, ti.t hygiene people, ton'l have any iota kl.&it tl.c oust count results kculu It: A Ko, because 1 net u.entiuntu earlier, the lncnstrial llypienist ait not rttoit to lit. bo, 1 uiur.'t nave reports iioa, tntn, r.ur uia 1 6tt results oi any lab tests. . Mi. KLElKFtltK: Ko turthti - questions, thank you. KK. LlLIAKL: lliank you, Latter, lhh LliLhl: hi pht-tnirty toiuorrok iiorriiii. UhhKhLhOK, C.ULR7 WAS ALJEOkMiLj Era 013A6 I Lli i gULit i LjaLuL b UI I L Li* Loll iialAiwi 7 im.iai. Li* lLLi. L i K 1 1 i 1 (. A i i. i, 1LM LLLKCLLlSi, a Lortilitc central kepcittr, ii. uLi* lor tl.t iaiisn li ilcuillL, State oi LfLisians, uo liti li) ttnii) Ilia! tilt LlLCtciIib Lellbl aai IL^LUtL ty luL ill il.Litr.i-iiu coiapltmeiftto li>* cabiiLtiL uie rfccoroinbs; liitreaitur iclllcl to typewriting L> u,t; ana tl.at ti.e lLrfc0Lii.b pabes 1, tnroa6n __i cuuii a u.oi*LLth li.l correct transcript cl tilt ti.stis.Ln,> piven, ujiuti oath, m tht prectainp Ratter heaio cn the litn lij oi JANLAM , l&ii. flu, Ilai,Ltmii,t, Louisiana , tnis 9^ libs. uay oi EMQ01347