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GENERAL 112X2 NG
Asbestos Textile Institute June 4, 1965
hotel Le Trovence, Thetford bines,
IN ATTENDANCE:
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AMERICAN ASBESTOS TEXTILE CORP. J.W. Weber J.L. Rainey G.S. Fabel J.W. Christenbury Wro. Kaaskant D.F. Queaiy
ASBESTOS CORPORATION LTD , ,G.F. Jenkins T'.E. LeClerc (A.C.S. Ltd.) \
E. L. Alexander (A.C.S. Ltd.) , V/.W. Ought red
II. F. Carson A.L. Penhaie * G.P.A. Brink M..C. Pharo
DELL ASBESTOS MINES LTD.
G.W. Smith
F. T. Smith
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ttlll.J.'t. jiiu in
R. Dodds-Jlebron
Norman L. Darr
CASS1AR ASBESTOS CORP. J.D. Christian II. Grit auk T.T. Tigert
R. Marson (Ontario Research * Foundation)
II.K. ITFITER COITAilY, INC. J.T. Griffis J.D. McCluer D.E. Childers
RAYBESTOS-iAMIATTAN, INC. J.A. Drown, Jr. L.C. Williams J.P. Wronski N.W. Oliver R.B. Smith J.W. Hawkins
TALLl-AN-l.se CLUSKEY FABRICS CO.
Ted D. McCluskey
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TURNER fa NEWALL LTD.' Dernard Lincoln
U.S. RUDDER COiTANY <
A. C. Link
D.T. Austin. .Tr.a.'
S.J. Teele, Jr. v '
B. D. Hubbard
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J.II. Wolfsie (Dr.) *
BRITISH BELTING & ASBESTOS LTD. J.L. Mitchell
CADWALADER,W3CICSRSI 1AI` fa TAFT P.Jay Flocken (Legal Counsel)
JOIIIIS-rANVILLE CORF. W.S. Hough E.A* Scluunan W.C. Atkinson
C.L. Shecklcr
Dr. K.W. Smith
LAKE ASBESTOS OP OUEBEC LTD,
M.J. Messel
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E.A. Farrell
K.W. Nelson
ASBESTOS TEXTILE 3HST2TUTE il.E. Sunbury (Exec, Secretary)
SOCIETE AHOilYMB PRAifCAISE DU FERODO
Ibnsieur Collineau
* Decaestecker
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U.S. TUBLIC HEALTH SERVICE
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Dr. L.J . Cralley
JOHNS-KANVILLB CO. OP CArrA.UA LTD. ii.W. Hendry
GUESTS **
Karl V. Lindell, Chairman, Canadian Johns-ilanvillo Co. , Lid.
J.O.Eby,Vice Pres.fa Genl.lgr., Jeffrey Hine.Can. Jolms-banvi lie Co.Ltd. R. Gagnon, Lake Asbestos of 'Quebec, Ltd.
L. Piu2e, Mine IIg^., Lake Asbestos of CXiebcc, Ltd. l'.J. Messel, President ? Lake- Asbestos of Quebec, Ltd.
A.L. Tenhale, Chairman fa rresiden t, Asbestos Corporation Ltd.
G*F. Jenkins, Director, Asbestos. Corporation Ltd.
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City of Halt. v. Keen* Corp
Ealt. Cty. Circ. Ct. Case No. 84 268068/CL 2563? September, 1993
Guests :
n L. lontpetit, Managert Nicolet Asbestos,Hines Ltd. Ivain Sabourin, Q.C., Montreal
C.B. Crown, Dell Asbestos Mines Ltd*
< J.A..O. Harcotte, Director, Asbestos Corporation Ltd. Dr. R.J. Merrill, Mgr., Carey-Canadian Mines Ltd,
P.P. Hodgson, Manager, Flintkote Mines Ltd,
M. Lachance, rt.A.i'.A. Dust Engineer, Thetford Industrial Clinic
R.S. Coleman, Manager, National Asbestos Mines Ltd,
Dr. L.J. Cralley, U.S. Public Health Service, Cincinnati, Ohio
i Dr.K.W. Smith,Medical Director, Johns-Manvi lie Corp. .New York, K.Y. Dr.J Jl.l'/olfsie,Medical Director, united States Rubber Co.,Nw Yorrk d'b
Mr.W.L,Carr,Director,Dell Asbestos Mines Ltd.,$dies gr.1 At las Asb.Co.
Dr. R. Marson, Director, Ontario Research, Foundation
N.` Grit2uk, Asst, to the Genl. Mgr., Cassiar Asbestos Corp., Ltd.
Dr. Paul Cartier, Thetford Industrial Clinic, Thetford lines
Geo. S. Pabel, American Asbestos Textile Corp.
A. Collineau, Societe Anonyme Francaise Du Forcdo
Decaestecker,
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In addition to the above guests we were privileged to have thirty ladies accompany their husbands to our luncheon on Friday, June 4<h .
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} ' The meeting was called to order by President J.A. Brown, Jr., ' who expressed our appreciation for the opportunity of holding th is
meeting in Thetford Fines, and thanked our hosts, Asbestos Corpora
tion, Ltd.; Cell Asbestos Mines Limited; Canadian Johns-ManviHe Co.,
Ltd.; Cassiar Asbestos Corporation Limited; and Lake Asbestos of Que
bec Limited, for their wonderful hospitality and meticulous handling
of the many details incidental to the meeting. The miners* committee
{ ^ who handled the local arrangements consisted of J!.r. Carson, Asbestos
* Corp.;
Hendry of Can. Joims-Manville Co,; Roland Gagnon, Lake
- Asbestos of Quebec; ran. J.W. Smith of Bell Asbestos Mines representing
Cassiar Asbestos Corp.; and P.Parker Smith, Bell Asbestos .incs, who
was Chairman of the committee. To all of these gentlemen we extend
individual thanks for a job that was exceedingly well done!
President Drown then introduced a number of the special guests who
were attending this meeting, following which he explained that due
. to tlie fact that some of the ren had to leave before noontinc in or der to catch a widafternoon flight out of Montreal, the usual agenda had been reversed to enable then to hear our several guest speakers.
2. Our first sneaker was Mr. 14.J. flesscl, Prcsz* ent of Lake Asbestos
of Quebec, Limited, who welcomed the r.enbcrs of A.T.l. with these re
mark's: "President Brown, Members of A.T.l., Guests: It is a pleas
ure, on behalf of the Canadian Asbestos liners, to welcome you to
asbestos country with its man-r:adc mountains and to tell you how
'pleased and honoured wc are to have you hold your meeting-in Thetford^.
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r " While I have not been very active in A.T.l. 1 have followed its work yf very closely through the reading of the fine and comprehensive re ports which your Sccrctnry so ably ruts together. I have also to *
lowed closely the cooperative work which your technical connittccs o have been doing with the Quebec Asbestos f ining Association, which
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Citv of Balt. v. Keene Corf Balt. Cty. Circ. Ct. Case No. 84 268048/Cl 2563 September, 1993
is much appreciated and mutually beneficial. I know the work tf an
association such as yours is a difficult one clue to wide range and
complexity of problems tit at have to be dealt with and wish to con gratulate your association in the splendid and effective way that it
conducts its affairs and copes with your industry problems.
As yet there is no shortage of Group 3 spinning fibres from the mint**
in Canada, as I can still see plenty of order-takers around. How
ever, there are indications of rossible shortages in some of the as
bestos cement grades. At one tine the spinning fibre grades were 'the mainstay of the asbestos producing industry, but mis has now
been supplanted by the asbestos cement fibre grades together with
expanded uses of the shorter fibres. During 1964, the Canadian Asbestos producing industry employed over
6000 people and exported approximately 1,333,009 tons of asbestos
with an approximate Gross value pf $155,000,000. Of this totd. only 34,6^7 tons were crude and spinning grades with an approximate total
value of $14,000,000. The U.S.A. market consumed approximately 14,609 tons of crudes and spinning fibres v/i th a value of approxi
mately $6,400,000, an4 this has remained rather constant for the oast 3 or 4 years. The only other large suppliers of spinning fibres are
Russia and Rhodesia. The figures we obtained during our visit to
Russia would indicate approximately 20 to 25 thousand tons of spin
ning fibres out of an estimated total production of 1,600,000 tons;
so Canada still holds its dominant position as supplier of textile
fibres. The cooperative work that is being carried on for
fibre
testing rethods and standards should lead to a better understanding
between the producing and consuming asbestos industries .
I'r. Sabourin, as attorney for
will tell you somethin of
the work that is being considered with respect to the health of tlic workers in our industry. I feel there should be room for cooperative
work between the A.T.Z. and :>A.i*.A.
I hope your visit among us will be a most happy and pleasm t one and
will result in a better understanding of our mutual problems, aid I
know the Local Committees of A.T.l. and the Canadian Asbestos Miners have done a splendid job in making your stay amongst us both happy
and memorable."
3. President Drown then introduced Dr, Kenneth V/. Smith, Medical
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Director of Johns-Hanville Corpaation, who stressed the desirabili- j
tv, indeed the necessity, of the asbestos industry telling the truth \|
.about the health of its employees and giving meaningful reports as
to company experience. He pointed out that some of the more prolific
writers on so-called "asbestosis" have relatively little background
of actual "cases" on which to base their theories or conclusions, as
compared witti our collective and also individual company experience
over many years time. Dr. Smith urged full cooperation on the part of various companies to open their records, and full cooperation with
the work of the U.S. Public Health Service, lie stated that the p,cn, ernl overall health of Jobns-l'anville longtime employees compared
favorably v/ith industry-in general, and pointed to the steadily ex
panding membership in their 25 year club as evidence of this fact.
4. President Drown then introduced Mr. Karl V. Lindell. Chairman,
Canadian Johns-Manville Co.,
,,vho expressed his pleasure at hav
ing the opportunity to attend this meeting, awKsaid that he would
.like to have~Mr. Ivan Sabourin, -i.C., attorney for the Q.A.f .A. ,teil
***. nhntit the work that has been done in past years to protect thef^
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health of asbestos workers, and about the outline planned for the newly formed Q.A.Ii.A. program for Research in fining Pathology for
the Study, of Respiratory Diseases as. related fo phrysotiie Asbestos. Some of the vary interesting points brought out by wr. Sabourin were: In the year 1935 the mining industry started X-raying their employera
at regular intervals in order to safeguard their health, -h,. .. Carolina State Board of Health was contacted to compare nethodsrfo?
dust,coynting and for X-ray procedures. Also worked with.those hos pitals m Canada that had compiled background experience in the fiel-5 cf resnirat'jry diseases. Paid tribute to Dr. Paul Cartier of the Thetford Industrial Clinic pointing out that Dr. Cartier had contributed many valuable papers'
for their work and contributions to the increasing fund of general
knowledge regarding asbestosis. Stressed that the miniinng industries reouire thneir doctors to keeop^ uupn`--/
with the wailtKingdone blLaifiM^ 6ft ftheu^conio^i? research, and * to attend^ueetmgs both here and abroad, and participate in the dis
cussions at those meetings. He stated with great emphasis that the knowledge possessed by the industry's doctors on the biological ef fects of chrysotile asbestos was not surpassed elsewhere in the
world. Tentioncd that contacts have been made with doctors in Rus sia/ East Germany, Finland, Italy, England and other countries.
Expressed his belief that cancer is not necessarily involved due to
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appeared only about two weeks ago was not convincing - only informa
tive - indicates much further work is needed - regrets adverse nub-
licit); that results from such articles.
Expressed the opinion that while the welfare of the worker should be the responsibility of management, we need to know more about the worker's environment after he leaves tire plant.
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Explained that tlic Q.A.M.A. program is still in the formative stage.
with a vast background of actual experience. They recognize the need to consolidate experiences, and also having traveled widely in other countries, they find that research units are usually located adjacent fo a hrge, well equipped hospital. Frequently, the worker has a condition that is not attributable to association with asbestos, dis
covered through cooper?,tion with the hospitr.i staff. In'conclusion fir* Sabourin expressed the thought that it would be wnnAcrfsl if the Asbestos Textile Institute could join their cf.orts
to the Q.A.I'uA. program for the benefit of all - deplored the isola tion of efforts and pocr liaison between research laboratories and research units, Suggested that a common-council as a governing body
might be the answer and result in more rapid progress.
5. The next speaker was Dr. L.J. Cralley, ofthe U.S. ruhlir. Health
.Servic5f who for thenust several years has been synervis}.ng Jfc ex pensive Environmental Study of asbestos employees in textile plants
in the USA Dr. Cralley said that the StucW was going well*
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fine cooperation from both management and employees has been exncn-
enccd. The U.S. Public Health Service is now extending their worn
into other asbestos industries such as asbestos-cement, etc.
that the results -to date certainly justify the program and its
thcr expansion
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In other areas of activity the U.S.P.H. Service presented a paper at
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' 'the recent American Industrial Conference at Houston, Texas, which summarized their study experience in five plants. Draft copies of
two papers were distributed to our Air Hygiene Committee on June 3rd*
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The first paper by Jeremiah 0, Lynch of the Dept, of Health, Educa tion and Welfare, titled "Asbestos Study- Procedure and Findings"
. and the second paper, titled "Relationship of Impinger Counts to
Fibre Concentration by Membrane Filters in Asbestos Textile Phots".
(Doth of these papers are covered more fully in the report of ou: Air
Hygiene ii J>ifg. Committee which is attached to these minutes.)
I Dr. Crallcy plans to speak at Seminars frequently in the future, such as University of Texas, insurance companies, etc. Mentioned
that since the conference on "Biological Effects of Asbestos", held
in New York last October, the New York Academy of Sciences has now
established a "Division of Environmental Sciences". At the conclu
sion of his talk Dr. Cralley answered several questions from the
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60 President Drown then asked J'x. H.W. Hendry, General Sales Mana ger for Canadian ' Johns-itanvilie Asbestos Limited, to report for the Fibre Committee. Mr. Hendry stated that inventories of spinning fibre are ampte but
' substantially below the levels of one year ago. Demand for Group 3 fibres remained relatively flat in 1964 in most countries of the
. world vi th the exception of the U.S. and Europe. The increase in demand in the lnttnr area was considerably greater than in the U.S.
^ Dusiness conditions in Japan are fair, Italy poor, Germany fair, United Kingdom good, and the remainder of Europe relatively good in
the asbestos textile and asbestos-cement fields. It is expected, however, that the second half of 1965 will show an improvenent over
the first half in those areas of the world in which business condi tions hove been below average. The average reduction in the -200 mesh McNett contort of spinning < fibres from 1953 to 1965 is in the order of 50 - 75 per cent. . New asbestos fibre production projected from new properties in Cann` tla includes tire Clinton Creek' property of Cassiar in 1968, Asbestos
Hill of Asbestos Corporation in 1970, and the possible Reeves proper ty of J.M. iu Northern Ontario. This new production will supply the asbestos-cement market principally. Russian production in 1964 1,600,000 tons exceeded that of Canada for the first time and is
. trend is expected to continue in the forward years.
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