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za THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT 0T WEST VIRGINIA
CHARIESTCN, WEST VIRGINIA
JAMES M. ADKINS A d m in is tra to r o f th s E s ta te o f Ralph E . Adkins Deceased s t a l t
P lain tiffs
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MONSANTO COMPANY a D elaw are C o rp o ratio n
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D eposition o f GIRARD XNGENTHRON taken oo b e h a lf o f tb e
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R e p o rte r; M. Jo y S p rin g e r
J ames M ay R epo rtin g S er vic e
CERTIFIED SHO RTHAND REPORTERS
R.R. 2 - BOX 65 ED W AR DSVILLE. IL L IN O IS 62025
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1 IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF WEST VIRGINIA
2 CHARLESTON, WEST VIRGINIA
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4 JAMES M. ADKINS, A dm in istrator ) o f the E sta te of Ralph E, A dkins, )
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MONSANTO COMPANY, a Delaware
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9) Defendant. )
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APPEARANCES:
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M essrs. C a lw ell, McCormick & 13 P eyton,
by W. S tu art C a lw ell, J r . , Esq. For P l a i n t i f f s , 14
M essrs. Bowles, McDavid, G raff & 15 Love,
by Deborah A. Sink, E sq .,
For Defendant.
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18 IT IS STIPULATED AND AGREED by and between 19 co u n sel fo r the p l a i n t i f f s and c o u n se l fo r the d efen d an t 20 th a t the d e p o sitio n o f GIRARD INGENTHROW riay be taken 21 pursuant to Rule 26 (a) o f the F ed eral R ules o f C i v i l 22 Procedure, on J u ly 1-* 1983, a t the R adisson H o te l, Room 23 215, 9th S tr e e t and Convention P la z a , S t. L o u is, M isso u r i, 24 b efore M, JOY SPRINGER, a N otary P u b lic w ith in and fo r 25 the County o f Madison, S ta te o f I l l i n o i s ; th a t the
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Issu an ce o f n o tic e and dedim us is w aiv ed , and th a t th is d e p o s itio n n ay be ta k e n w ith th e same fo r c e and e f f e c t as i f a l l F ed eral ru le s and s ta tu to ry requirem ents had been com plied w ith .
IT IS FURTHER STIPULATED AND AGREED t h a t a n y and a l l o bjections to a l l or any p a rt of th is d ep o sitio n , ex cep t o b je c tio n s as to form o f th e q u estio n s asked or an sw ers g iv e n , a r e h e re b y r e s e r v e d an d may be r a i s e d oh th e t r i a l o f t h is c a u se ; an d t h a t th e s ig n a tu r e o f th e deponent is n o t w aived.
GIRARD INGENTHRCN p ro d u ced , sw orn and exam ined on b e h a lf o f th e p l a i n t i f f s , deposes and says as follow s:
EXAMINATION BY MR. CALWELL:
(W hereupon th e r e p o r te r n arked P la in t i f f s D e p o sitio n E x h ib it #296 (M onsanto #8326062) c o n s is tin g of 1 page; E x h ib it #297 (M onsanto #232335 and 232336) c o a s i s t -
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in g o f 2 pages; E x h ib it #298 (Monsanto #232333)
c o n s is tin g o f 1 page; E x h ib it #299 (Monsanto
#8326240 and #8326241) c o n s is tin g o f 2 pages;
E x h ib it #300 (Monsanto #8326242 and #8326243)
c o n s is t in g o f 2 pages; E x h ib it ?#301 (Monsanto
#8322873 and #8322874)c o n si s t trig o f 2 pages;
E x h ib it #302 (Monsanto #236182 through
#236186) c o n sis tin g o f 5 pages; E xhibit #303
(Monsanto #233610 through #233612) c o n sis tin g
of 3 pages, for, the purposes of id e n tific a tio n ,)
Q (By Mr. C a lw ell) Would you s t a t e your
name, p le a s e . A
Girard Ingenthron.
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Q ' And where do you l i v e , Mr. Ingenthron?
A In Creve Coeur, S t. Louis County.
Q And you 're employed by Monsanto Company?
A Monsanto Company.
Q What do you do f o r M onsanto?
A Public R ela tio n s. I'm D irector o f
the Mews Bureau.
Q Could you b r i e f l y t e l l me what your
education is .
A X have a Degree in Journalism from
Marquette U n iv ersity .
Q Is that lik e a B.S. or an A.B.?
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A A.B.
Q Did you have any post-graduate stu d ies?
A I went to law sc h o o l fo r about 25 h ou rs, I
n ig h t s c h o o l, w h ile I was w orking.
Q When d id you graduate from c o lle g e ?
A '62. .
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[ Q Upon grad u ation from c o lle g e where
did you go to work?
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! th ree months ea ch . One in Kansas, one in i.Milwaukee
I area and then to the Kansas C ity Star as a rep o rter.
I spent a couple of years there.
Q When d id you f i r s t go to work fo r
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Q Is that the f ir s t in d u stria l chem ical
company you went to work for?
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1 Monsanto In 1967$ you went d i r e c t l y In to the F.R. end
2 of the business? 3 A R ight.
4 Q Y ou1r e p r e s e n t l y D i r e c t o r o f th e
5 News B ureau? A R ight. 7 Q As I v a g u e ly u n d e rsto o d , M onsanto's 8 d iv id e d up in to a number o f o p e ra tin g com panies or 9 u n i t s . Where does th e news b u reau f i t ? 10 A I t ' s a c o r p o r a t e s t a f f . 11 Q So y o u r s e r v i c e s , t h e n , s e r v e th e 12 n e e d s o f v a r i o u s o p e r a t i n g u n i t s , t h e n , I s u p p o s e , a c r o s s 13 t h e b o a rd ? 14 A M ore th e c o r p o r a t e l e v e l n e e d s , a n d 15 I a l s o s e r v e a s b a c k u p f o r th e o p e r a t i n g u n i t p e o p l e , 16 Q I n th e o r g a n i z a t i o n a l schem e o f t h i n g s 17 w h a t i s y o u r r e l a t i o n s h i p t o Dan B ish o p ? 18 A Dan i s my p e e r . I h a n d le m o st o u t s i d e 19 c o n t a c t s w i t h th e news m edia e x c e p t i n t h e a r e a o f
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e n v iro n m e n ta l c o m m u n ic a tio n s, and Dan h a n d le s t h a t . I 21 s e r v e a s a b a c k u p t o h im , a l s o .
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Q Now, hew lo n g have you been D i r e c t o r 23
o f th e News B ureau? 24
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Q P rio r to th a t w hat d id you do fo r th e
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im m ediately p r io r , which means w r itin g p rin ted p ie c e s ,
speeches, annual report copy.
Q Annual report copy? A (Nods head a f f i r n a t i v e l y . )
Q Was th a t a ls o a corporate s t a f f le v e l? A Yes.
Q Have you always been a t the corporate
staff?
A No. Two jobs p rio r to th a t I served
fo r four to f iv e years in the Polymers and Petroc ham ick le
Company.
Q And t h a t ' s an op eratin g - -
A Operating u n it a t Monsanto.
Q Did you work fo r any other o p era tin g
u n it o f Monsanto?
A No.
Q Have you alw ays been s ta tio n e d here
in S t. Louis?
A No. I sp en t two years in B r u s se ls .
Q Is th at the polymers and Petro __
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you always been here In S t. Louis?
A Yes.
Q O.K. I want to hand you w hat's been
marked P l a i n t i f f s ' E x h ib it #296 (Monsanto #8326062),
Mr. Ingenthron, and ask you to take a lo o k a t t h a t.
A O.K.
Q A ll r ig h t. E xh ib it 296 is a le t t e r
on Monsanto le tte r h e a d dated June 3 , 1982, over Sarah
C o llin s ' sig n a tu r e , and y o u 're shown a s a copyee on th a t document, are you not?
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Q Do you r e c a l l r e c e iv in g th a t document?
A I don't r e c a ll i t . I don't r e c a ll
receiving it .
Q Now, Mr. In gen th ron , would you p le a se
read E xhibit #296 to the ju ry.
A "As you may know, in the p a st two
weeks, Monsanto has become the primary fo cu s fo r th e
p l a i n t i f f s ' a tto r n e y in the Agent Orange c l a s s a c tio n
s u it r e la t in g to d iscovery and d e p o sitio n p r o c e sse s.
According to the a tto r n e y , he i s doing this because
Monsanto was one o f the two le a d in g s u p p lie r s (second
behind Dow), i t s product was a p p a r e n tly one o f the most
contam inated w ith d io x in , and the company has an a n t i environm ental b ia s . He b ases t h is on a 1962 Monsanto
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1 Magazine a r t i c l e on p e s t ic id e s apparertly w r itte n in
2 response to Rachel Carson's S ile n t Spring.
3 Though Dew seems to have taken the brunt o f
4 Agent Orange b a ck lash , the l a t e s t developm ent in the
5 litig a t io n could r a ise Monsanto's v i s i b i l i t y in the 6 minds o f news rep o rters r e la t in g to A gent Orange s t o r i e s . 7 Another p o ssib le 'lo o k fo r ' in t h i s , over and above
8 g en eral media in q u ir ie s , comes from an item mentioned 9 in P eter Rahn's column o f 5 /2 7 /8 2 . He rep orted t h a t .. 10 Mike W allace was in Vietnam p reparing a 60 Minuttta Bag 11 ment on the e f f e c t s o f Agent Orange. 12 we o b v io u sly d o n 't know i f W a lla ce's producers 13 are planning to req u est in te r v ie w s from A*0. nnnufac-
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Q And do you s t i l l have th a t re sp ons i bility? ;
A No. Q I f you c o u ld , b r i e f l y t e l l me how i t ' s decided*hat goes in to an annual report. A I t ' s a complex p r o c e ss. The variou s portions o f the book in volve d e c is io n and d istr ib u tio n s o f inform ation o f a v a r ie t y o f people in the company. . X can go through each s e c tio n o f the book and ex p la in th a t. The f i r s t major s e c t io n i s the Chairman's l e t t e r , and the major input to th a t comes from the Chairmen. Q Is there a se c tio n in your reports having to do w ith to x ic o lo g y or hazardous m aterial th a t the company may be handling? A Yes, there often is . Q And does th a t have a s p e c i f i c s e c tio n th at i t comes under? A Environm ental. I t rav have a d iffe r e n t name. Q And would the in form ation fo r th a t p a r tic u la r s e c t io n o f the r e p o r t, should i t be in th e r e , then come from e it h e r the M edical Department or the Department of M edical and Environm ental H ealth, something lik e that? A R ight, th a t's correct.
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1 Q And w ould th o s e r e q u e s ts come t o you
2 b y w ay o f w r i t t e n memo, o r s o m e th in g l i k e t h a t ?
3 A R eq u ests o r you mean th e in fo rm a tio n ?
4 Q Yes.
5 A Yeah, I guess t h a t 's c o r r e c t. I would 6 s o l i c i t i t from th e d ep artm en t and I would resp o n d - -
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8 kind of inform ation?
9 A X was th en re s p o n s ib le f o r a sse m b lin g
10 th e i n f o r m a t i o n f o r th e b o o k , s o i t was p a r t o f t h e
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15 Q W e ll, f o r i n s t a n c e , i f you w e re g o in g
16 t o i n c l u d e s o m e th in g i n th e a n n u a l r e p o r t a b o u t a h e a l t h
17 p ro g ra m o r h e a l t h m o n it o r i n g p ro g ra m I n v o l v i n g , f o r \
18 e x a m p le , p a r a r a m i n o - b i p h e n y l t h a t was u s e d a t one tim e
19 a t t h e H i t r o P l a n t a n d f o r some r e a s o n t h a t i n f o r m a t i o n 20 w as r e l e v a n t o r was t o be i n c l u d e d i n t h e a n n u a l r e p o r t ,
21 how w o u ld you know t o a s k , f o r e x a m p le , t h e M e d ic a l 22 D e p a rtm e n t a b o u t t h a t ? I d o n ' t know a n y t h i n g a b o u t PAB 23 w as e v e r p u t i n t h e r e , b u t you s e e b y way o f e x am p le 24 w h a t I 'm t a l k i n g a b o u t?
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1 p erh ap s, su g g e st s p e c i f i c in form ation be provided or
2 th e. d apartaant would sim ply provide Inform ation and
3 su g g e st th a t th a t be in clu d ed .
4 Q O.K. So th ere a re in sta n c e s where
5 you had the a u th o r ity to make a su g g e stio n a s to what
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7 A Sure,
8 Q Do you r e c a l l i f you ever made a
9 su ggestion regarding to x ic ity of any substance being
10 in clu d ed in the annual report?
11 A I d o n 't r e c a l l e v e r doing th a t.
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14 in clu d ed some inform ation about t o x ic it y ?
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16 ap p roxim ately three or four y e a r s, and I d o n 't r e c a l l
17 i f any o f those contained - - You sa id inform ation about
18 s p e c i f i c t o x i c i t y o f a chem ical?
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A I don't r e c a ll that any did.
21 Q Do you r e c a l l an y th in g being p u b lish ed
22 in the annual rep o rt regard in g 2 , 3 , 7 , 8 te tr a c h lo r o -
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4 Q Do you prepare p ress r e le a s e s as
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6 A Yes, some.
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8 l e a s e s , how does th a t come about? How do you know what
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13 r e le a s e s on environm ental q u estio n s because th a t comes
14 under Dan B ishop.
15 Q ven though th a t may concern the
16 p r e s s , the f a c t is the su b je c t m atter would d ic t a t e th a t
17 Dan Bishop would take care o f that?
18 A T h at's r i g h t .
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20 le a s e s p e r ta in in g to the chloracne problem a t the N itr o
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22 A I d o n 't b e lie v e s o .
23 Q Did you ever prepare a news r e le a s e 24 th a t lin k s ch loracn e w ith 2,3,7,8-TCDD? 25 A I d o n 't thin k s o .
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1 Q Have you ev er prepared any news r e 2 le a se p e r ta in in g to Raymond Sus kind or any s tu d ie s he 3 may have done on the N itr o work force? 4 A Ho. 5 Q Would th a t a l l come under Dan Bishop? 6 A Yes. 7 Q Who in Monsanto has the a u th o r ity to 8 put the f i n a l approval on the annual report? Is th e re 9 some person or department th a t does that? 10 A Cha irman. 11 Q The Chairman. Now, I r e a l i z e th a t 12 th a t is u ltim a te ly h is r e s p o n s i b i l i t y , but a s a p r a c t ic a l 13 m atter who r e a l l y does the review fo r accuracy and makes 14 the recommendation fo r the Chairman th a t the re p o r t is 15 in order and th e refo re should be approved? 16 A That would in clu d e s e v e r a l p eo p le. 17 I t would in clu d e an a tto r n e y th a t worked in the f in a n c i a l 18 a r e a . I t would in clu d e the C om ptroller o f the company, 19 V ice P re sid en t o f P ublic A f f a ir s . Each o f th ose p eop le 20 would make recommendations to t h e ir own s u p e r io r s , so 21 t h e ir su p erio rs would a ls o be in v o lv ed . But th ose th ree 22 p e o p le , I g u e ss. 23 Q And on a p a r tic u la r item th a t may 24 appear in the annual r e p o r t, would I be c o r r e c t in 25 assum ing th a t one o f th ese th ree people th a t you have
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5 annual report, so that person in the Public Relations
6 Department who w r ite s a s e c t io n on, sa y , the p la s t ic s
7 company would g e t clea ra n ce from the hfanaging D ire cto r
8 of the P la stic s operating u n it,
9 Q From the Managing D irecto r?
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11 Q So t h is ch eck in g o f th e work occurs 12 r e a lly b efore i t g e ts to the th ree people th a t you have 13 id e n t if ie d fo r accuracy - 14 A Oh, th ey see' i t a t v ariou s s t a g e s , 15 Q And th a t would be tru e, to o , fo r 1 any q u estio n about the t e c h n ic a l a sp e c ts or the c o r r e c t 17 n ess o f som ething th a t m ight a f f e c t the M edical D epart 13 ment or DMEH, so you would go d i r e c t l y to th a t source? 19 A T h at's r i g h t , d i r e c t l y to the DMEH. 20 Q Hias t h is in form ation th a t you b r i e f l y
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A I can only speak fo r the l a s t seven y e a r s, I thin k i t ' s been the same during th a t p e r io d .
Q G enerally. There probably have been
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1 soap tainor - 2 A Probably the same. 3 Q Now, in co n n ectio n w ith E x h ib it 296 4 which you have b efo re you, why would you be r e c e iv in g 5 a copy of that? A For a p eriod o f s i x or e ig h t months 7 during 1982 Dan Bishop was a ssig n e d to the B ru ssels 8 o f fic e and I took over h is a d m in istra tiv e d u tie s . 9 Two people working in Environm ental Communication* 10 reported to rae during h is a b sen ce . One o f them was 11 Sarah C o llin s , so she carboned me r o u tin e ly on c o r r e s 12 pondence , 13 Q In co n n ectio n w ith the su b je c t m atter 14 o f E x h ib it 296, aid you r e c e iv e any b r ie fin g in your 15 company or were you o rien te d to those m atters as you 1 f i l l e d in fo r Dan Bishop? 17 A No p a r tic u la r b r ie f in g . I was fa m ilia r 18 w ith the g en eral issu e h ere . 19 Q And would th a t f a m ilia r it y have nor 20 m ally or n a tu ra lly a r ise n in the course of your regular 21 d u tie s? 22 A Y es. 23 Q What i s your m issio n as D irecto r of 24 News S erv ice? 25 A To make sure th a t Monsanto i s rep resen ted
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2 and other asp ects accu rately. 3 Q Does th a t charge o f d u tie s excep t out
4 environmental n etters?
5 A Yes. Q Does i t ex cep t out h ea lth in the work
7 place matters? 8 A Generally speaking, 9 Q S in ce you have bean D ire cto r o f News 10 S e r v ic e , has th a t been true? 11 A Y es. 12 Q Those m atters would be f a i r l y e x c lu 13 s i v e l y a ssig n e d to your p eer, . Dan B ishop, is th a t co rrect? 14 A Yes. 15 Q Did you take any a c t io n w ith regard 1 to the in form ation tra n sm itted to you by E x h ib it 296? 17 A I don' t r e c a l l an y. 18 Q Your copy o f 296 would have j u s t been 19 f i l e d in tile normal cou rse o f e v e n ts in your o f f ic e ? 20 A Thrfs c o r r e c t. 21 Q Let me hand you w h at's been marked 22 P l a i n t i f f s ' E x h ib it 297 (Monsanto 232335). 23 A l l r i g h t . Mr. Ingenthran, th a t Ex 24 h i b i t 297 i s a l e t t e r dated November 17, 1981, a p p a ren tly , 25 over Dan R. B ish o p 's s ig n a tu r e , i s th a t co rrect?
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2 Q And i t ' s on Monsanto letter h e a d ?
3 A Right.
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6 A Right.
7 q As fa r a s you know, you r e c e iv e d a
8 copy, Ls th a t co rrect?
9 A That's correct.
10 q i i w , I see accord in g to t h is Dan
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17 I tr y to s t a y a b rea st o f a l l is s u e s fa c in g the company,
18 so he carbons me r o u tin e ly fo r in for n a tio n a l purposes.
19 q And you, lik e w is e , I g u ess, would
20 carbon him i f you f e l t i t ap p rop riate?
21 A R igh t.
22 Q For the same reason?
23 A R ig h t.
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A Yes. 0 Do you know what p o t e n t ia l r is k s Dan Bishop is r e fe r r in g to? A I can only sp e c u la te . Q i-fhat did i t mean to you when you read th is? A Chloracne. I d id n 't r e a lly think about *-4- *-t Q In ycur p o sitio n as D irecto r o f the Monsanto Hews S e r v ic e , have you r e c e iv e d any b r ie f in g about the o o te n tia l risk s of Agent "range exposure or 2,3,7,8-TC D D exposure or a n yth in g l i !;o that? A To ? c e r t a in degree I have become fam iliar w ith risk s associated w ith exposures. 0 And has th a t been in co n n ectio n w ith your job? A Yes. Q And what have you been uade aware of? A That there is a p o te n tia l for ch loracn e,
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Q Do you r e c a ll what th ree h e a lth s tu d ie s
you 're referrin g to?
A No. I r e c a ll one as Dr, Suskind
from the U n iv ersity of C in cin n ati.
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Q Do you knew i f th a t was a m orb id ity
study?
A I 'm not certain.
Q And do you knew how you found out
th a t t h is stu d y was reported? Was i t som ething you
read in the papers or did you have some co n n ectio n
w ith the release?
A No. I t ' s something I read about.
C Your company d id n o t provide you w ith
any kind o f a b r ie fin g on it ?
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2 under Dan B ishop' s a u th o r ity ?
3 A Yes.
4 Q Did you r e c e iv e any other inform ation
5 from your company about d io x in or Agent Orange or the
6 N itro work force?
7 A Not th at I r e c a ll.
3 Q I 'd l i k e to hand jou w h at's been
9 marked P l a i n t i f f s ' E x h ib it r298 (Monsanto '-232333), 10 * O.K.
11 Q A ll r i g h t . Mr.Ingenthron, I x h l b i t 12 298 is on Monsanto le tte r h e a d over Dan B ish o p 's sig n a
13 tu r e , dated fepter.iber 2 b , 1921, i s i t not?
14 Tllght.
15 0 And, a g a in , you were r-hcr.<m as r e c e iv in g
16 a copy o f th a t l e t t e r .
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23 i No.
24 Q And were you provided a copy o f t h is
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That would be the reason, yes, Q That would be the same reason as Ex h ib it 297, th en , I presume? A R ight. Q I f you would, p le a s e , read to the jury the body of that e x h ib it. A "For your Inform ation, the follow in g news item s appeared on the fr o n t page o f to d a y 's The Wall S tr e e t Journal: 'Agent Orange a f f e c t e d more GIf s in Vietnam than p rev io u sly thought. S ecretary o f H ealth and Human S e r v ic e s Schweiker s a id 41 spraying m ission s o f the d e f o lia n t , w hich Is now lin k ed to a v a r ie t y o f a ilm e n ts , were dumped on area s where U. S. troops w ere. He s u b s ta n tia te d claim s by v e te r a n s' groups of high le v e ls of exposure but cou ld n 't give firm fig u r e s . 1 I t i s v ery u n c h a r a c t e r is tic o f the WSJ to engage in such b iased , sloppy rep ortin g, e . g . , the use o f phrases lik e 'A gent Orange a f f e c t e d ' and 'th e de f o l i a n t i s new lin k ed t o . .' I r e a liz e th a t t h is 'now lin k e d 1 language probably came from S ch w eick er's p ress con ference but i t ' s not c le a r from th is rep o rt and no le s s alarm ing, in any event.
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1 One could conclude th a t t h is s ig n a ls a new 2 a d m in is tr a tio n p o s itio n on Agent Orange. We a r e t r y 3 ing to obtain a copy of the e n tire tran scrip t of the 4 p ress c o n fere n c e. By copy o f t h is memo, I'm a sk in g 5 Mr. Pickard to g iv e us a read in g from h is perch in W ashington.11 7 Q I 'd lik e to thank you, Mr. Ingenthron. 8 I 'd lik e to ask you, Mr. Bishop makes 9 r e fe r e n c e to some u n c h a r a c t e r is t ic a lly b iased r e p o r tin g , 1.0 in h is o p in io n , by the Wall S tr e e t Jou rn al. In th e . 11 course o f performing your job d id you have any I n fo r 12 m ation a t your d is p o s a l to a llo w you to make a judgment 13 about the tru th or accuracy o f the quote In the W all U S treet Journal that appears there in paragraph 1 of 15 E x h ib it 298? 16 A I'm not sure I understand what y ou 're 17 a sk in g fo r . 18 Q W ell, a p p a r en tly , j u s t from rea d in g 19 Mr. B ish o p 's memo, h e 's concerned t h a t , a p p a r en tly , 20 the quoted m aterials in the Wall S tr e e t Journal are 21 b ia sed and, perhaps, s lo p p ily r e p o r te d . So I'm a sk in g 22 you i f from your job i f you had any knowledge y o u r s e lf 23 a s to whether the quoted m a te ria ls appeared to be b ia sed 24 or s lo p p ily reported to you? 25 A Yeah, I would sa y th ey make u n fa ir
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2 Q .K. And does i t appear to be s lo p p ily
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4 A I guess i t depends on o n e's d e f in i t io n
5 of sbppy reporting.
Q Yes. Using your d e fin itio n does it?
7 A I guess you could c a l l i t slop p y.
8 Q Now,, a g a in , from your p e r s p e c tiv e ,
9 what do you base your co n clu sio n th a t the quoted m a teria ls 10 are s lo p p ily reported or b iased u n fa ir ly ?
11 A As 1 s a id , they make Im p lica tio n s
12 th a t a v a r ie t y o f ailm en ts are lin k ed to the d e f o l i a n t ,
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17 is s u e from reading press r e p o r ts , from in form ation such
18 a s t h i s , in form ation co p ies on the is s u e .
19 Q So your c o n c lu sio n s or op in ion s are
20 drawn from p ress rep o rts and co p ie s o f memos th a t you
21 r e c e iv e from the Public R ela tio n s Department?
22 A W ell, as w e ll &s oth er data th a t I
23 d e a lt w ith a t the company, t h a t 's r ig h t . 24 Q What other data would th a t be? 25 A L e t's s e e , I would have d e a lt w ith
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8 lik e a memoranda and so fo rth ?
9 A Yes. 10 Q Mr. Ingenthron, I'm goingto hand
11 you w hat's been marked P l a i n t i f f s ' D ep o sitio n E x h ib it 12 #303 (Monsanto 233610). 13 A O.K. 14 Mr. Ingenthron, E x h ib it 303 is on 15 Monsanto le tte r h e a d , is i t not? 16 A I t i s . 17 Q And i t appears to be aC h lorin ated 18 Dibenzo D ioxins D iscu ssio n Paper from G. E. Paget to 19 George Roush, dated June 5 , 1979, i s th a t c o r r e c t? 20 A Plight.
21 Q Have you ev er seen t h is document b efore?
22 .A I d o n 't b e lie v e s o , 23 Q I s t h is the type o f b r ie f in g document 24 you would have received ? 25 A No. The type o f document I'm ta lk in g
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3 reading press r e p o r ts , te c h n ic a l lit e r a t u r e from such
4 books a s C, and . News, S cie n c e magazine and su ch . 5 Q I f you would look on page 1 o f th a t 6 document under paragraph denominated "Causes o f Concern," 7 A R ight. 8 Q And i f you would read paragraph num 9 bered 1 there to the jury. 10 3 "1. 'D io x in s , the Most Poisonous 11 Substances Known to Man' Is now a media c lic h e and 12 e l i c i t s shudders o f horror alm o st eq u al to 'A Sea o f 13 C arcinogens' or 'Love C a n a l.' We must be s e n s i t iv e to 14 th is p u b lic awareness and be prepared w ith data and a 15 response i f 'Monsanto d io x in s ' reach the p u b lic eye l as they did in the n o to r io u s Sturgeon s p i l l (no m atter 17 what the a c tu a l f a c t s were in th a t c a s e )," 13 Q Is the s u b je c t m atter o f paragraph 19 numbered 1 som ething you would have contended w ith in 20 your job a s D ir e c to r o f News S erv ice? 21 A You mean t h is s u b je c t m atter s p e c ific a lly )? 22 Q Yes. 23 A No. Many people in the company have 24 op in ion s on media treatm en t and e x p re ss them t h is way. 25 T here's no reason fo r me to t r e a t t h is p a r tic u la r
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A No. Q A ll r ig h t . Now, l e t me hand you w hat' s been marked P l a i n t i f f s ' E x h ib it #299 (Monsanto '-`8326240). \ O.K. q A ll r ig h t , Mr. Ingenthron, E x h ib it 299, lik e w is e , is on Monsanto le tt e r h e a d , is i t not? A Right. 'i Is i t a May 1, 1979, memorandum over -he sig n a tu r e o f James E. McKee? A That's rig h t. 0 And you're shown a s a copyee o f th a t memo? A Right. Q And is th ere any reason to b e lie v e you d id n ' t r e c e iv e a copy o f It? A No rea so n . Q And, a g a in , l e t me a sk you why you would have r e ce iv ed t h is p a r t ic u la r memo? A An in fo r m a tio n a l cop y. I was in the
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2 Q In numbered paragraph 3 on page 1 o f 3 the e x h ib it, r e fe r e n c e i s made to the esta b lish m en t 4 o f a Task F orce, Do you knew what Task Force is r e 5 ferred there? 6 A Just as i t ' s described. I don't 7 know th a t i t was ever formed. 8 Q Do you knew i f you ever r e c e iv e d 9 c o p ie s o f any nate r i a l s th a t such a Ihsk Force might 10 have genera ted? 11 A I d o n 't r e c a l l an y. ` 12 ^ bo you knew what the purpose o f th a t 13 Task Force was to Isave been? 14 A Just as I t ' s d escrib ed h ere. 15 * I f y o u ' l l look a t , I g u ess, the second 16 unnumbered paragraph, part e , th ere is some r e fe r e n c e 17 made to p rep aration o f p o s it iv e s t o r i e s . 18 A R ig h t. 19 Q Do you know what th a t has r e fe r e n c e to? 20 A I su red o n 't.' 21 Q Have you ev er been asked to prepare 22 p o s it iv e s t o r i e s on t h is is s u e in v o lv in g d io x in or Agent 23 Orange? 24 A No. 25 Q Is th a t som ething th a t you in P u b lic
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8 A That would be an o c c a sio n a l is s u e ,
9 su r e . Not s t o r ie s so much as company l i t e r a t u r e , such 10 a s a P ublic A ffa ir s B u lle tin . 11 Q A ll r ig h t . I want to hand you w hat1* 12 beenmarked I l a i n t i f f s 1 E x h ib it *-300 (Monsanto i?8326242), 13 and ask you to take a minute to look th a t over,
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21 Q And, a g a in , you 're shown as a copyea 22 o f th a t document, rig h t? 23 A R ig h t. 24 Q Who is Joseph N olan, i f you know? 25 A V ice P resid en to f P u b licA ffa ir s,M o n sa n to ,
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Q Is that a corporate s ta ff position? A Yes. Q And what is your r e la t io n s h ip in an organ ization al sense to Joseph Nolan? A I report to the D irector of Public R ela tio n s who rep o rts to Joseph N olan. Q He's a superior o f yours? A night. Q YouTre once removed from Mr. Nolan? A Uh huh (y e s ) .
Is Mr. N olanrs o f f i c e i:\ S t. Louis? .-i. Yes , v< Anc, in f a c t , you a l l occupy the ame o f f i c e area :>r lo c a tio n : 1 No. Hef s in an oth er b u ild in g . 1 And, a g a in , why would you be g e t t in g a copy o f th is memorandum? A Inform ational. Q Do you know why t h is in form ation was being put out by Mr. Nolan? A Not s p e c ific a lly , no. q I f you would, p lea se read th a t document to the ju ry. A " R e fle c tin g on our v i s i t to N itr o , I think there is a d ecisiv e d ifferen ce between the
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1 a g i t a t i o n a g a in s t th e ch e m ic al com panies in th e Kanawha 2 V a lle y and .d em o n stratio n s e lse w h e re . T hat c r i t i c a l 3 d ifferen ce- l i e s in the f a c t t h a t th e Kanawha s i t u a t i o n 4 has a liv e ly p o ten tial for n atio n al exposure. 5 You hve an e n e r g e t i c , p ro m o tio n -sav v y s e lf - in te r e s t o u tf it in the West V irg in ia C itiz e n s 7 A c tio n Group, You have an e q u a lly a g g r e s s iv e la b o r 8 re p re s e n ta tiv e from the U nited S teelw orkers of Am erica. 9 These two have a lr e a d y su cceed ed in f la g g in g th e a t t e n 10 tio n o f \a -o o n sc lo u s Dr. I r v in g S e l i k o f f in New York, . n a s w e ll as the A sso c ia te d P re ss f e a t u r e s t a f f , and we 12 can e x p e c t a ;g;OoOo<d7 dCeeaa li more IUnl th e moncr\* a h e a d . 13 *ili>.3 J.3 C .?J-J -'a.ne *b; 14 ment-and-g* ns tirria 1' ?t r a te y 15 : Chica ggo-1r a d i c a l , .frn l 16 knees \ n ?:he la ce .960 1> in the e q u a l 17 o p p o r tu n ity case in R o c h e s te r, New York. 18 From M onsanto1= s ta n d p o i n t , th e r e a r e some 19 s t r o n g l y n e g a tiv e a s p e c ts to th e s t o r y . Our N itr o 20 p la n t is f i f t y years old and, d e s p ite the commendable 21 im provem ents made r e c e n t l y , i t - is s c a r c e l y an a d v e r t i s e 22 ment fo r the modern chem ical com plex. 23 The Agent Crange f u r o r p ro v id e s j u s t th e k in d 24 o f 1news p eg 1 th a t media p eople lo o k f o r . 25 The PAB e x p e rie n c e , w ith i t s idocumented d e a th
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2 th a t guarantees continued press a tte n tio n . 3 ' The A p p ala ch ia s e t t i n g , r i c h in taw dry t a l e s 4 of business in s e n s itiv ity , fu rn ish es a n a tu ra l backdrop 5 f o r a l l e g a t i o n s o f c o r p o r a te in d i f f e r e n c e to th e human condition. 7 The S e lik o f f - S u s k in d f a c e - o f f p ro v id e s an 8 added f i l l i p f o r th e m edia. One man s k i l l e d in th e 9 sla sh in g a r t of 'ta lk in g in h e a d lin e s 1; the o th e r sta n d 10 o ff is h l y i n s i s t i n g t h a t when he has a n y th in g to s a y 11 he* 11 do so in th e p r o f e s s io n a l j o u r n a l s (p resu m d iy 12 long a f t e r one media have l o s t i n t e r e s t in th e m a t t e r ) . 13 i t i3 im p o rta n t to d i s t i n g u i s h betw een the 14 two s t u d i e s , h r . j u s k in d 's w i l l be r i g o r o u s l y c o n fin e d 15 to d io x in and the ein y eo e f f e c t s ( i f any), o f w orker 16 ex p o su re . l r . S e l i k o f f 's w i l l a d d re s s i t s e l f to d io x in , 17 b u t w i l l be much w id er r a n g in g , exam in in g an y i l l e f f e c t s 18 w orkers may have from t h e i r experience a t N i t r o . I t 19 i s e n t i r e l y p o s s ib le we m ight f a r e v e ry w e ll in th e 20 d io x in s tu d y , and n o t so w e ll in th e o th e r one w hich 21 w i l l be r s l ^ s e d f i r s t . 22 Our c o u n t e r - t h r u s t has g o t t o be 'M onsanto 23 i s c o n c ern ed . We c a r e . ' And we have t o prove t h i s in 24 words and d e e d s. 25 In view o f th e u rg e n c y o f th e s i t u a t i o n , I
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5 Q A l l r i g h t . Thank you, Mr. I n g e n t h r o n . 6 Did you re c e iv e any b rie f in g s from 7 your department regarding the issues raise d in E xhibit 8 3QC: 9 A I don't believe so. 10 h Did y?u o v e r d i s c u s s t h i s document 11 w i t h anyone in your d e p a rt m e n t w i t h r e f e r e n c e to 12 p r e p a r a t i o n news r e l e a s e s or an y o t h e r a c t i o n t h a t 13 you might have c a t-.en in the c o u r s e of your b u s i n e s s ? 14 .4 i.ot t . i a t 1 r e c a l l . 15 ^ you have an y id e a why i t ' s ob16 s e r v e d in p a r a g r a p h number one th a n she c r i t i c a l 17 d i f f e r e n c e l i e s in the f a c t the Kanawha s i t u a t i o n has 13 a l i v e l y p o t e n t i a l f o r n a t i o n a l ex p o s u re ? 19 A 'Duly as he d e s c r i b e s i t in the memo. 20
Q You have n o t r e c e i v e d any a d d i t i o n a l 21 i n s t r u c t i o n as to why the Kanawha s i t u a t i o n has a 22 l i v e l y p o t e n t i a l f o r n a t i o n a l ex p o s u re ? 23 A No. 24
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th a t document, Mr. Nolan o b se r v e s, "In view o f the
urgency of. the s itu a tio n , X think i t is Important for
you to a llo c a t e v ir t u a lly a l l your time and e f f o r t
to t h is p r o je c t during June and J u ly ." Were you in -
eluded in that d irectiv e?
A No.
Q. Do you have any id ea what the urgency
is th a t's referred to there?
A Ju st as he d escrib es i t .
Q What r e la t io n s h ip does your department
have w ith Mr. P ie r r e W ilk in s, I f any?
A He's a former employee o f Monsanto
who was in the New York o f f ic e on the P u b lic R ela tio n s
sta ff.
Q And was he a peer o f yours?
A Yes.
Q Again, a corporate sta ff?
A R ight.
q And hew did h is job d if f e r from yours?
A He d e a lt w ith New York media d ir e c t l y .
He was a l i a s on fo r S t. Louis w ith the New York news
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you had e x c e p t th a t i t was p r im a r ily co n cen tra ted on the
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4 w ith the trade p ress in New York C ity ,
5 Q Did Mr. W ilkins answer to the same
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7 A As I r e c a l l , he d id . 8 Q Do you know why he l e f t the company?
9 A My understanding o f the s it u a t io n
10 was th a t he was o ffe r e d a tr a n s fe r to S t. Louis and n ch ose to le a v e the company ra th er than leave New York.
12 Q Let me hand you w hat's been marked
13 P l a i n t i f f s ' E x h ib it #301 (Monsanto #8322873), and a sk 14 you to take a look a t t h a t, i f you would, p le a s e ,
15 A O.K. 16 Q A ll r ig h t . Mr. Ingenthron, a g a in , 17 E x h ib it 301 i s on Monsanto le tte r h e a d , is i t not?
18 A R ig h t. 19 * Q And i t appears to be a memorandum 20 prepared by P ierre W ilk in s, who a t th a t time was an
21 em ployee o f Monsanto, dated May 9, 1979, is th a t co r re ct?
22 A R ig h t. 23 Q And you were shewn a s a copyee fo r 24 t h is memo? 25 A R ig h t,
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6 Q "The in te r v ie w o f Royce S c o tt and
7 Owen D olin by AP rep o rter Jane White covered the h is t o r y
8 o f the 2,4,5-T incident in 1949, resu lta n t health
9 e f f e c t s , the Suskind and the S e lik o f f stu d ie s and a
10 review of cu rren t environm ental, h e a lth and s a f e t y 11 programs a t N it r e . 12 P rior to the r e p o r te r 's a r r iv a l, the th ree 13 o f us had the opportunity to go through a n tic ip a te d 14 q u estio n s and resp o n ses, an e x e r c is e th a t proved par15 t i c u l a r l y v a lu a b le." 16 Q Thank you, Mr. Ingenthron. 17 In paragraph 2 re fe re n c e i s made to 18 an op p ortu n ity to go through a n tic ip a te d q u e stio n s and 19 r e sp o n se s. Is a part o f your job to prepare q u e stio n s 20 and answers and the lik e in sim ila r circu m stan ces? 21 A Not so much th e answ ers. To prepare 22 e x e c u tiv e s fo r the s t y le o f q u e stio n in g , y e s . 23 Q So a p art o f your job is to be aware 24 o f , perhaps, an in q u irin g r e p o r te r 's technique or s t y le ? 25 A R ig h t.
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Q A l l r i g h t . So what you*re sa y in g i s this is general observations rath er than personal ob
servations about any reporter?
A Right.
Q So p a r t o f your jo b i s sim ply t o ;
prepare executives to question and answer format?
A Right.
Q "ho p r e p a r e s the aiswers to the q u e s t i o n s that are prepared?
A Whoever1s b ein g i n t e r v i e w e d .
Q And a r e those w r i t t e n put?
A Not generally,, no.
Q Have you p r e p a r e d w r i t t e n q u e s t i o n s
with prepared responses for people to review in the past?
A Written responses?
Q Yes, s i r .
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recall.
Q O.K. In ycu r j o b a s News D i r e c t o r
and the seven years you have been w ith Monsanto d e a l i n g
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5 Q I t ' s alw ays been p r e tty much M onsanto's 6 s ide?
7 A I haven't r e a lly d e a lt w ith the issu e 8 much.
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18 Q Dated February 15, 1 7 V, and i t appears
19 to e n c lo se a couple of d r a fts of news r e le a s e s or pro-
20 posed news r e le a s e s , does i t not?
21 A R igh t.
22 Q You were shown a s a copyee or carbon ee.
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Q I f y o u 111 ld o k at: th e f i r s t news
r e le a s e on p a g e 1 o f t h e f i r s t r e l e a s e , t h e r e i s s o m e underlined m a t e r i a l t h e r e .
A Pvight.
Q Did your d e p a rtm e n t have an y r e s p o n s i b i l i t y fo r r e p o rtin g the issu e s ra is e d th ere?
A My s e c t i o n , n o .
CJ I n o t h e r w o r d s , t h e l o n g - t e r m h e a l t h
e f f e c ts r e la tin g to -a to x ic im p u rity in the chem ical
t r i c h l o r o p h e n o l was s o m e th in g t h a t was u n d e r I'an B is h o p
and n o t you, is t-hat c o r r e c t?
A *j-I-1_* ^ Ann on page 2 o f c h a t f i r s t news r e .oajcr r; f e r e n e e is r a t e i:; th e u u ta o e re d p a r a g r a p h 1
th e r e about, a program w nich, a p p a re n tly , is a h e a lth program of so rts?
A Uh h u h ( y e s ; .
Q lo you hve a n / knowledge ab o u t th a t? A No, I don1t ,
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d ep artm en t would n o t have had r e s p o n s i b il it y f o r , is that correct?
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19 I FURTKJR CJRT1FY .that I a n n e i t h e r a t t o r n e y 20 nor c o u n s e l f o r nor r e l a t e d to nor employed by anc 21 of the p a r t i e s to the a c t i o n in which t h i s d e p o s i t i o n 22 i s ta k e n ; and f u r t h e r , t h a t I am n o t a r e l a t i v e or 23 employee of any a t t o r n e y or c o u n s e l employed by the 24 p a r t i e s h e r e t o , or f i n a n c i a l l y . i n t e r e s t e d i n the 25 a c t i o n .
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