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AUSTRALIA* ROWERS WIOI, TOTRALIA* faKAKCH. rKlXfaTRlAL UKIOI 0* VWTER8 COASTAL DISTRICT COKUXTTO,AUALQAMATJCD SHGIKEERIJO UKIOJ, ASBOCJAtlOl OF VORXkRS, end others. Applicants - and - AUSTRALIA* SLUX A3BXUT08 LJVITXD.' Rasoopdents. WEttREXCK Of XIOOnTKZAL ES3P0TS THORSOAT. Sth JHt. 1040. AOJOURXM UKARIKo} KlAHtRgp X3. OLIVER toky sensah. Sworn. Z vent you to tell the <burt whet the a*gin is fpr the rigger end splletrt -- 23/6 uargin in the aetropolitsn ares pins 3/~ ver loading* .. shat rate would the assistant be paid? -- 14/6, the ssas as a fitter's assistant, and 3/* war loading. That would apply to a fitter's a ssisteat?-- 7es. And a blacksaltb'e striker? -- 14/6 and 3/- war loading*. Rare you any knowledge of wort s brush hand gets in the way of peyaent?-- 14/6 aargin and 3/- v loading. j that if he is using a apreyt--He gets 16/6 X think and 3/- *#* / loading. 7 Ths application of the union, Is, ss you know, that the enoloyer should pay aone bonus.__ ................................. - --------- y - THE PRZSXDKKTi The first question vns did he know wb*t : the stendsrd asrgin vns, Shat do you oall a standard THE uiTTOSj That is generally aeeepted ss tbs astro- pell tan award as far ns X knew.' / /4 V C c c f \ THX >HXmantTt z&tb Sietropolitan area?--Tes*. *bat le tbe etandard beyond tbe metropolitan area?--xt varies In different dlactricta, such at the flouth vast end the 0ldrielde* Ib you kaoe stoat tbs stowierdw are there?--X really have no idea# X think the margin would be the out*, but t have not bed anything to do with tbe South vest ores* ht is tbe 3/- var loading?--Xt was brought out during tbe war z bellete under certain circumstances to build up v?ges to cower sob outside levy. X was not in tbe country'et tbs time# but In tbe Midland Junction workshops 1 was getting 6/-* ear loading to bring *y wages up to tbe standard of tbe outside litters, KR. Wctrmt That vert you seployed as et Ifidlend Junction? -- Ctotrlcsl litter, 1HX PazSZfiDTTi Xn wbat capacity ere you eeploytd beret-- Xlectrieal litter. VA OlXTSlt You ere ev&re tbot ell tbe unions ere applying lor e bonus to be paid on tbe production el aabestosl-- Tea, Do you think tbs claim is justified?-- r,,U In rlev of tbe work end money the oospeay ere spending, end the large area that the company oowera, ee far as X know, they have get ell tbe blue asbestos apart fro* tbe vblte asbestos vbleb is et Hunyery, X do not know vbetber they are showing'any prefit at tbe accent, but In tbe future they will probably show a big turnover. ! Do you think thet tbe Industry that viU be built up will be { very profitable in tbe future?-- Ye> Z think so. I TEr PiUWXfW?i Z don't auppoee this witness really knows tb*tT-- iHo, it la only supposition and tbe feet that they do not put t*ouey into a thing without expecting eons return* Whether they are asking any profit or not you do not know?-- Xt bee been put in by various people lor ala or seven years and tbe nee plmt being installed is supposed to be worth . 4100,000 end ttaugh that is only betrsvy, At far as X know j at the moment tbe *111 la experinental end would not be s big enough to handle any great quantity el er VR* OtlYUU &> you know of any other industries that p ay a bonus In addition to tbe beslo wsge and *argin?--The lead and Zinc ZnAistry in TLOken Bill and tbe Selena Lead Wines in Western Australis, There la also * gold bonus tbr.t is paid in tbe Oeldficldsfr* Zt would not be unusual for sn industry to py a bonus in f your opinion?--Hot if tbeir tur^overJLs^^oingJ:o..be_te big j es it Is likely to be* But it would not be setting up * preoedent If tbls oonpui? paid m.toonu*?--Ho*------------------- . --- THI PUSttnxXTt So you knew tbe hidtory and clrcu*stRncee under which tbs Lead bonus cane to be paid?--Ae far as 2 know Uis houltb conditions original!;* TMrci i: :: ~ ! ptid as well as tbe foot that a scarcity of lead ore&ted : a rather large denand lor it* 56. %- - I ! I Oo you knew when it was flrat introduced?--&o, X sn only svt.re of it being paid At the present cteuent, H*ve 7*u ever worked in the Lead IndustryT--??e# this io the fir*t ties tb:t X btv worked in nines. HR, CUtYRt Are you a narried sent--Y*a. Knr* you cot try fatally?--Test one obild. tre you Mere of the union's li la the wsy of distnot eilew-.nce Tti. So you think that l*i 1 justified?--7s. Oo you think that the preeent district allowance of 30/- pervade Is Adequate to neat ell of the necessities of life at Wittenoea Gorget--tfft, C Tou do not t&lak ?--*o. sett would you ay the dieaMUtle* are that are incurred by reeidents of vittenoon GorgsT--tb# price of food la the store. Frle&aolee an at the present noaeat he obtained froa the Market garden* to save extent, hut that does not include tonnoes end c*hhtge> and it is neceeeery to bring then up here' by ni? freight, T So you tttlnk the coat of living ot Witteaoo OoTge is szcessiveT-- f T#S it Is, met would you sey your weekly grocery store eccouat let--five pounds to five pounds ten per weak. i Xs that for foo$ alone?--Y** though there wight he a few eude x, and ends such as s pair of working trousers hut cot often. woul< there be near pairs ef working puntsT-- r*o pairs, keep to the groceries?--Xt is all on the one hill. / On a question of groceries do you ever keep your dockets?--!# V Pf *rhat ynu spend free weak to week?--Y*o, Usually there are dlvorepsnolcfl in the hill and you have to keep then to verify then* Kw long here you had your wife residing beret--i^nce the 15th of April* That io about 5 aonths?-- 8*ven wanks. you living here before your wit* o^ne here?--V*o9atout four ?Jtl a half ninths. So you had scat* experience of keeping 7out wife in Y*. Why aid ycu bring your wife here?--X wee proulsad a bouse, SLfore leaving the quaotioa of grocetlea an you produce arg pf your duckets showing the oost of living ut vittanoua?--Te. . IXRX5XT SXUlkXf 12 Senile of grocery docket*. Sxplaln to His Honour exactly whtt those dockets represent?--These dockets ate store dockets for food but they add up to A34/6/-- tut there le aleo a bundle of dockets for perlahshiee fro Perth fro the 15th April to the 4th Juna representing. 57. **.*,,-T. **&** J 3?* =3 llll ( C ( c i }/3/2&d9 Tbe?t cts a few itess in tbe perishables that Unte not been included. During the period in which your wife has been residing bet it feet coat you approxlautely 4C in aeren weeks for food f-lcntT-- Te* That work* out at roughly 4> per seek?--Yew, that do you pay for tant?---3o/* par week* Kxaotly what doc* that naan?--That la for tbe bouse only end no furaltpre* 7ou provide your own furniture?--T*, mat about light and water) do you get that included?--A* tbe present tics* ve get light and w- ter included, but 2 do not know for whet period that la going on, Peter fotrda are already in town for the eleetrio light and the put In a 9,0CC gallon tank and hare laid a 4" main, and X do not think that they would do that for leva no we *111 probably |it to pay for it later ea}V Too aay at the prevent tine you are getting your light and water free?--T*t, But tbe neters will be installed?--Te bat whether we will hcTe to py for light 1 do not know. And the P,vD, la in*tailing a water ecbenet--Ye. And you preause it will want paying fort--T*e, &o y.*n ue* firewcvd?--Ts, * t~~ Bor does that pan out; do you get It youraelf?--Teu can get it through the oocpany at a coat of 44/10/* par load. Whet 19 a lord?--A couple of tone, though probably It sight be nore but Z would like to say but It doea not pack well and la only bush firewood. UulgeT--fhtrdc Is probcbly a bit of gun, but as that has to be chopped down thofe is not nueh, A5D XT Costs 44/10/- per load?--T*a. That worts out at about 2/5/- per ton?---The weight sight not be exftot but Z innglne it would not be suoh sore than 2 tone. You do not know the weight?--Co, Xg it noli on se&ouresentT--A truckload. That night bs onyUicgt--Te. Depending upon the bloke that put* it on?--Tee, Cb you knew wb^t the absolute slnlnns w^ge le t Wiltenoo* Oerge?--4/15/1 brstc w*a plus *>/- district aUownct. i total af /S/n/ltmmXg*. mat deductions would there be against that? You suit hews toss do ductions against your w*gss such as vineworkers reiier 56. hospital f taxations sad so on?-- fcinevorker'e relief Is 1/-, Pe* week?--Tea* flying dootox service 9d per week* end rent Is deducted out or your wages at the oi'fioe and teat la 3o/~, X think that la about all* How do you .travel from the town to work?--The conpany runs a but end that coata 6/- for c weekly ticket, Tbft entitles you to journeys to and froa work but X believe if you go to the tors or the pictures at nil en Saturday night it la on extra 1/6 rttum* whet does It ooet you to go to the pioturee?--3/- entrance fee* that is 6/* for ayself and wife rnd 3/- feroa, a total or 9/and you take your own cbolrg. Tu bars about 37/96 deducted every week cut of your pfty?-Tes* the bus tickets are not deducted ae you buy those froa the bus driver* ------ - ,_ Htve you any Idea what It test to get your vrlfe to tittenoon Gorge?--04/10/* plane fare ana about 3 for exceae luggeget* CVaa there any charge on the kiddle?--no* the kiddle is only 16 months eld* t ?HE ynxniaorTj fe you know St what eg# children are obatgs for en the plane? -- X believe it le over 3 though X do not know whether they charge thee full fare, X believe It ie half fare* 101* OUTOi 8*ve you any idea what It would ooat you to send your wife ce a holiday?--?* would coat ate 29 for her plane fare. In ether tori** \Z yot* vent to send your wife to Perth and bring c her back It would e&s; Tee* p.fore leaving the qjettlon of dlstnot allowance* whot other concessions or enmities are wade to you at Vlttenoon Gorge other tor.n tboae already dealt with?--X do not think there ere c any at ell* 1 was told when X case up that they hoped to here Ice in four or five weeks but it baa not arrived yet. The pl&nt la here but It has net been installed and Z do net know bow long it will be before it is installed, X found it neoeaecry to buy a refrigerator froa tbsitfoapaxy* Old ynu buy that yourself?--Tea* X did not pay cosh* X gave a deposit* X suppose you got that at actual coat price?--! do not think so* What did you pay for It?--The price would actually be 120. Could yea buy that froa tbs trader in Roebourae for the etae price?--^et*ll or wholesale? \ What price would you pay in noehourna?-- A17 *r 120* So you got no onctealon by purchasing 1* from the ewployer?--K6. Tou are tvzra of the union** slain in the natter of a travelling allovr.noet--Tss* Oo you think the elnln lo justified?--'?#* het Is the present position?--Tou are engeged In Perth through 59. T. UT-ROkH, X* 1-0-49 . i"AJ Produced in the matter of Asbestos Personal Injury Cases; Abrams- lead & copied-to...... i f c c . l I c ( this office up her# end they supply you with a picas ticket, you pay that beok at the rute ot 1 per seat ire* your pcy - cad at the end of 6 wontbe you receive that plane fore tick. You also get paid a days travelling Use at the end of six Bo&tba* Wht happens to you at the end of 6 srsntba if you want to return to Perth?--You here one end a half week*a paid holiday, end all being well, and everyone being entlofled, you r.re probably re-engaged and get your fere paid b?`Ck to *ittenoo under the saws oirounetenoee - that le they pey your fare again and collect it, end et the end of 6 wontbs it is paid back* You have to terminate your eeploywent to do that?--as far tie l know you would actually terminate your deployment* Supposing you did not uee the subterfuge of terminating your e&ploy&ent wb et would be the position if you went on annual leave?-- 1 do not know* X iwagine if you bod been here a ye&r fctxngmfctxpXkxkfcft yon would be entitled to have your fare paid both ways* |f you ere hare fer 6 wohtbs and are re-encaged for another elx wont be the company is prepared to pay 2 plane trips, so If you etsy fer 12 months without any break it should *erk the other rcy round* X do not think you clearly understand the question* You say that when you cane here your far# i paid sad yon repay it over a. period of 6 wont he, at which stage you get it refunded* Xf at the end of 6 wonths you leave you pay your own fare peek to f9rth?--Yes* - .V Sew you have to be re-engaged in ?rtb to have your fare paid up here again and you start rafuading it?--Yea* that X w snt you to antwe'? is t&isj nfcet fcappsa if you did not terain&te your eavloywefci here `out vest genuinely to * Ptrtb on nssmal leave? Who prya your fare in that oeae?--** far &e I knew X pay aqr fare wyoelf, and X would have to pcy y wife's fare as well and owe back again also* You would take the family down at your own expense and bring then back at your own expense?--'Tee* X sight get ay faro up frow P#rth again fros the coar*aay but 2 do not know* ^ You have no assurance of that?--Jto* i Rave you ever given any thought of what it would coot you for A trip like thrt?--Yes* J J Wbt is it going to coat you?--29 for y wife and approximately | 29 for syself* thet is 58 for the return trip* | You e&y that the fare Is deducted at the rate of x per week . which nea&t teat for a period of the first six oontbs of esi>ioyzaent 1 is deducted each of the first 14 weeks, or the firat seven and a half peye at the rets of ? per pay?--Ye> You have your store bills to pay as well on top of tbe aaeunt that is taken off for plane fare** X had to pry X? for a mattress and alto buy a blanket and pillow and a knife fork and spoon* - They coat we 5/S/~ so X actually landed------with debt of > Vbat hours are you working et the preeent tiwa?-- quraer ocura per dry with three quarters for lunch end three and thre quarter hours on Saturday. Art you t&tisfled with the hours you are working?--Ro* 6o* XX* <;Sd: c c c t Wbat do 7ou conelder should bo your bora of work?--A 40 hour reek In 5 days* Whet do you rein rhen you soy AO hmra in *> days?--2 free doyg Too ldw cf the 40 hour weak was to bora a free weekend of 2 days tAd there it nc retaon vs sbould not bora It here* 2 believe they get It in the goldfield* where they ore working entiajous process, and fitters as veil get it there* lhere vere you employed before you etae to Wltteneoa?--gidlend .Junction inrkshept* *bat w-.a your working vaak in ttldlcnd Junction?--a fir# d>;y week 8 hours per day. Shat d&y* used you to work?--Hcndey to 7rld*y 2b you fcaov the a*ployar` olal* la tbit e&seT--Te** So you tal&k there la any weal need for that sort "of thing?--** Cm you eta any reason why you sbould bore to vort on Betardey at ordinary r>taa of poy?--Wo* If it la neceostry for us to work oa Saturday ve should bo paid a penalty rate for it* Tou think you sbould get overtime?--Tea. aoe9 it sake the vork any sore attractive to be going to work six day a per reek In order to do your eek*e work?--tot not unless It It paid enough to n&ke you Teal that you are net delag It for nothing* So you think the Job ea& be vorked In a 5 day reek Kohd*y to Friday?--Ts* Ti>u really think It oould be worked* -- Te. And in fact you eey tnct If you hare to work on Saturday you should be paid overtime r^te*?--Ye&* Before letvlug that question of boure when you go to work on Ipturdty It of eourae weens an extra trip to the aloe, fbo pays your bus fare?--That cones out of the weekly ticket* 2 lav^lno it is p votkly ticket on 6 d*y* a week* And the nen working 5 days a week peys the wove awount?--& loses !/ CBong-smaTrsn im. capons Tou do not bellere in the 40 hour weak apparently?--X do bailers in It* Tou will agree that ent&tenanoe work la neceaoary on Saturdays* In the sdll for lhatr.no*?--It depends upon the need for eintenanoe. Xt Is obvious that any work that has to be done where It -aoeslt*tes the aill holm: stopped would be dcas on Saturday tornlxe?--'Te*, but it depend* upon whether that work Is duo------to on actual breakdown or just wearing out of the wtohlnery* It <s*e wwnn tbut you :;rs going to be t*qu1t*4 to work 3-turifty fTnttt< la way otoef--Pot neessaurily* met* **fcu* -- a tine when they rill work the will 5 dys n reek euoceaafully* 61 There is 9 let of fc:*lntennceJ--Ye3 And therefore you ore required to work on Jiaturdey moralt%f~ Yes, tut there is a certein nsount of experimenting going on rt the present time* Z think the engineer mill admit tb&t they are only trying to find out the most successful method of working end It la not the mill. But In a dll like th&t there will a Iveys be wtinteneaee?-- Yet of n.rme kind. Th-t e*na you irlll be required to work on 9-turdMys In nny case?-* Sot eeeanrily myself but other fitters might be* That r**-na 70U are going to increase your meekly Jiours if you work 40 hours bonify to TtUny?--Yes* Therefore 1 auy you do not bellore In the 40 hour reefc?*I do* Za it not better it the 00opsay giro you a 40 hour week Voadsy to Saturday to Usdt the working hoursT--By doing that It breaks up Saturday for me* Z her* already hed the right to bare Saturday end Sunday to syself end it la to my dissdrtntftgt to go In cn asturdoy morning end It should be pail at penalty rttes* < that would you vent to do on a&turdsy morning?--If it is nteea* scry to go to work it should be at penalty rates* ut if you do not work on Saturday morning whet would yoo dot-- Z would probably find plenty of wort to do et bone* Could not that be done after work on Sender to Tyldeyt--fhdts possibly! tut Z could possibly do more on g.turdcy* The Vtdlftfid Junction workshops were not running a uinet '-SOj but the gold mines in kslgoorlle run a five day veok* Bet strictly?--The continuous prootes in worked fire days in sin Jisyr ruti they kr.re one dny off* They still work on 3*tuTd|rys?--And are pwld rariioe rt#s, ns* The men work fire shifts Veartsy to Saturday inclusive cna ero not paid ore xtlme?--So. TUey any hare Tuesday off* Tf ono *n b*s Tuesday off *od be works the 40 sank hour week be would do 6 hour* on Saturday, but that is not possible hero beosuae they hive not got the steff to do ltf--Bo* Xf they required you to werk 40 hc-ure Uonduy to 9*\uray is not tbet better thsn working 44 hours le*ndfcy to Huturu^y?--X do not sty it la neceoe*ry. If It is ncte7 to werk 44 hours *>nd they wot the work dens they will work the extra tine during the week* The Cbepnay is prepared to work you c 40 hour week Voadty to a^turdryf--There does the extrs 4 hours cons in? *b*t y.-u wvnt "is 5 dry week nonsey to Fridy end snetber 4 hours on S*.turasy?--So* SUlnt-Si.v.c* work le nouti ;**turd*y?--tfot tlwiys. every fl.tnrdey* tt is part of the oorstl running of the show?-- At the present time* (2* -Ti UR90AB.ZZB *-49 ./ This aattres* you paid ]5 for thr.t *: rather cheap?--Ao* They *ii2 have sob* for 3ft/~ hut they were all gone. 3 it still cheap for a ttettreas these cihyoT--X do not think so. You have not tried to buy one in Prth lately?--no, act for toe last three or four yer.ro, THE P?S3XlSYTt that kind of aettreeo era it?---An ordinary kapok aottrest to fit a tingle oyclone stretcher. UR* CH09U| Tbet aettress actually coots 4 in Ferth et ths toccentt--I ns informed In the P*rtb effics that bedding was provided end X would not hairs to pay for It. The Margins you quoted and which you celled standard Bezgins ere standard only in the Metropolitan ores?--X believe eo* The Rrrgina In the goldalntng industry ere the margins paid under the new word?--I think so* ihy do you think they should follow the Metropolitan ores ineteed of ewarde that cover this area? TBS PncsiSEXTi That question is s little bit -confusing* XR* CROSS? X wont go on with it es it fetes rather Obriens. TI FKESroOTi Bo* It la not obvious but X think the fora of the question is rather confusing - why aetropol* ltan rets* then this area? this area la the subject of the present arbitration* tER* CKT9t| Pethsps X should have said the rrea outelde the nctrcpolitcn ana* Tits SITROBi X believe the rates Mentioned In the dispute et the present tine are not belts paid by the eot>*By. Uft* enonst Your award is based on the goldaining award?-- It Is supposed to bo* And the margins?--1They have a firs dsy week. Bo they have not* They have 5 deye in 6?--ee that include fitters? then you etnrt t continuous process hors probably they will do the sl&c, but they are not running s continuous prootss* AS to Bezgins* the n&rglns In the new twnrd are the sent es in tbf goldaining award* Sid you know tbatrw Bo* Would thst alter your attitude to the Margins now you know that?--If tfcay are the etna es the goldaining award they ehould be getting the* here* Tee* Shea you Mentioned the rigger and splicer In Perth you quote only the rigger on buildings?--Yea* 59 25/6* but riggers other than tbosoon buildings ere 17/6 Xt is a different classification* 9o you know that the rigger** labourer is on the btale erg# in Perth?--A# far es X knov the rigger's nsolstent or labourer is getting 14/6* ffiy.. 6% - T* WOPOAW. 331 Produced In the matter of ARbiitoi Personal Injury Cases; Abfimi lead & copied to ftiohird R Scruggs. Xo, th*tis not sc, He gets the brsic wege In Perth. you .ha% the Perth nesrine nltoeether or u yon wrat to pick th< eyes cutT- X want Vo plea the eyes out, 06 you .know anything about bruts hta4* end their woTkT-->> t*i t* * x know biuob tunas only do roust priming work, Tou 40 not know the ronton for the different rtteaf--Apart fros might pointing where X know there are Quit* a let of fuses *na wepoux in the air and that is the reason for the extra noigim Xt iust depends on where tbs apreying is being done*--it probably would do, Xf it wca in a closed p space it would be dnnseroua. Jb you know the rer.aon for the wurloadlngot--Xe. Would yw try to h&sird s guess?--! hart not bean In th* country Ions t&niffb to reblly find out, C felting yo r olein for n asbeetoa bonus do yovi think the convey should be asked to pry s bonus when It is not asking any profit?-- Vo, but In vie* of the profit they nay set* X think it is just es ,^.W*11 to establish a slelnsow, CXn other words you sreprspsrad to wait and see then ask,a & profit and then, renew your eUinT--Tea. 814 you way that 45 to 45/10/-* oorers food only, or does it Include other item?--Xt eight oorer s few a trey Head soon e tnrse or four torch batteries. These .arc all your dockets*--Tea, TUX VRgSiaxBT) Sid you take cut s separate list frow tfecei dockets .of the extra Itena inrelvod or did you just totnl then?--I just totalled then, 121, CROSS) Tkt you know naytblng ebeut yalgocrlis prices*--Nothing ..t ell, 30 you k:icw that your bfoio wag* la fixed on Xfilgoorll* price*?--I we did tutt know tavt either. These dockets stow an crereg* of about 5/1*/- p*r week, when your *lte case hire wts there anythin; in stock?-- X had * cert&ln of stuff cent up fron P*rto, tad furniture end stuff had to be sent up. 3r air freight?--Wo* by boat. X suppose you ct&not give any ideo of wht you bad in stock then and now?--ho, only pappsr nu e few odd* and &d* tike tbt. Tou hbve * good bit in etcek new?--Wot great deni. X bought lira,* order fron Bairds e tcth rgo, *nd X bore tur.t in stock, tut that le in aci/ltloo agslu to those bills. Ton see the actual total purchases are not going to be of eery muo> us* ualsas w* know wn?t the opening and olooing stocks we?*?--TnJ openira stock w*s priotloally ml, Just pepper, wnlt and -other ail liens like a psnket ofooeon,................................... ' Teu do not know the rolue of the stock you hwe new?--Wo, \ Would it bo fr.irly substantial*--Xt night b# i>% but i* lnoluding \ the lerga order fron Sslrds a few weeks rge, rad in addition Jo tati 'l bought 5 worth of groceries off w couple who left here about 84. ?. KOTOAf, IX* luotd In the matter of 81 o.o; " r- --: U iMki *0, tout im tko im pmi Mat*^ii iiu ma tmit* AH irociiliif--T|i< St 1* a iMlttcaa la tko Mltlop I* Utf M Hi AHkH la Hn is la im Valoaa you eu |tt u iitlatH of Hi pmait ncok it lx not iota to koto a UtT--#rormt Rtook taoluAloe odoltloaoT tot. Hit yo Hti got Mt if wktt you bou*at yr--hi wt Hu <1 r A3* Zo Hit a gut*a 9t im yu c*o<*od It)-* It la o kuim tut it eruld ki aka*ad, : Tt< vilui of Hi Sl|H oat vmr la fairly utatiatlil. ^ull you aay Hit it WoulA to Hoot 5/# a |kT--U slow of Hi uat Z pay aad Hi *a# at Hi Hum X null tat Uk to oqr, */ loaa Hi mat taoludod is toot for ltftt aad vitir twU to f*1*1/ too ri|UM you auUooH of 5/* par ink, I* So yu kan bt you cot la too toola wt*o for rmtt--* tola oo4 you watlaaod ja | witfto I H1H w, tot a aooi la atout t to * tonito I ooula not 111# to *;. : fill nwlBOff) too fltou 414 not ooma&t klaoalf to Uat, ' to i*U H*t to kod oaly wad* % cuooa at ttot. Oa tola apartioa of licit ul iiHv you an putUM it to Ha oitaooo tut Jo/* pa vm! wklak ootiii root, Ukm ud oator la talatluly oktp* MU SIQW| To*. m PRtflBUt, Uat a# all tut to k&ia la that la Ha poaltloa colic to to la tka a#it 12 huUi la roM to U|kt aad uUit to. 000kl| Ml aloe la vofard to raata. Id. OtOtl) too toro HU would laoluda M*t a*d toabd or toll!--Ta* tss WWiaWi toaro la awly tko au otoro wl ovorytklac JO> to wall to fia UHWh, 1 touckt aaorly all ay olotbl*; rroa r.m, too tedy olotkUf X ton touckt Im tot otoro toro keo ten * pairs of worm* trouoora* tots you touckt mytklac for your wHa and cklldt-->lt aa far, to. MoCUOUi Too oald ttot you tod teufikt croeaxy ordar froa tol rr for Ad?-- X, H/lt/-. I alto paid A? for ooaa gr.oarlaa froa a oouplo wka lift kart a foa woaka ofo. too stuff you touckt at lairds would to stuff you could act at la Hi otorot--So# 1 touckt it to aoo If X oould cot It asy cuaapor. ft 4 you?--I tkU* to. Xt teat to a ouoatautial flfur tot aa a 2L$ ta i^3 or-or you aickt oara X to H/* MR, 010*4 XaeludUc fraltatT--To*. igt Ham MdufftM la ttuiltM karo aut laat aaytkiag yt, tot mo poopla lari last oun of oaa&coa tots* *5. t. ngu. c ( it * t c f II> The company euot ellcm for th*vtt--Tea* r.nd I will be nrki?ut allowrncea the fleet tine X lose something. The present location of the store Is purely tecsporery oner--It depends cn whet you cull temporary* It It Intended to sore 1% here but the store hoe not cnee hero yet?--KO| sad X do not know when it till erne here* TnU own S6 tbit it Is being built?--Ve* And es soon ee the store o> be built you will hove r. store on tbe spot?--It night be six months or a year* the asms position with the pictures?--1The picture position de pends entirely upon getting power from the mins*' Would you prefer to bare pioture show out there or none at all?-- At the present time yes* Ani u soon os the eoeqteoy sen gat the picture ehow here it will be brought here?--I believe it will be brought down te soon as poaalble but X do not know whether we will still have Sa tele our own onM.ro or not* Would you agree to a general atateaent that the eeapery la pressing ahead with emenltlee ee fast es it poeeibljr ciaf--ftit 40 you all amenities* The pioture ehow being brought here, the store, toe and everything ties?--There is the question of e recreation room that wes imposed to be built according to the lest award 9 but It has not been built yet* they hove had some difficultlee In getting supplies of materials here?*-Tet* But you know that tbs ompeay is pressing ahead es feet te It er-n with ell . those things?--2 do not know about that* TBS PX3322SWTt nave you any reason to think that the eospasy ere not pressing ahead?*--X am not ewera of whet they ere trying to sn build first, or why, it is just e matter of eequenoe end it roets with them ee to whether they decide thst the hotel ie more neceseury than bouse* or qkb?s* JR* C?ioa&| la wnet suburb did you live in In Perth?--Worth Perth* What did It coat per week to travel to Uidlend Junction?--$/- On the tMat--Tee, X rod a bycicle to the station* And because you worked for the rcllwcye you got * ennceeeion in your faree?--Xe* * The ordinary worker would not enjoy that concession?--Wo* V** Vcr.XTOtM TftU got It at half fere?--Half the ordinary monthly ticket fere* _ ,, ____ in* *.v>V7ZSf Could the ordinary worker not on the rellv^ya get ft concession on monthly ticket?-Tea X think they would* ww- ^A/. from Ut,Itwi-y to Hidl'jul Junction bu* T do not know *b*t the ordinary fre would be* for n full calendar month?--Tee* 66. 7, jrORMV.XX* ? 6-19 VR. cn n In view of th* COAX of petrol up here you are no* cccHolalnls? vkout the 6/* per *eek?..Cnly to the extent tbet think the ftrtnightly ticket eaoul* ocv*r tu picture baa at nighttlne. /* for e* the workers ion here .re concerned tbt t:ke u trip Into the store &t the present tine on .vturjty ** to buy whatever they need, jasrsxsxjEnsxxKxXlxs ' Tcu realise thet the corny my hss cut It down cs low at it oea do act knew cay thing about it. Vea the refrigerator thtt wet sold to I do not know. soli nt acted cos Have you eny reason to believe tbcrwioe?--X did beer that tb< firs bed the agency tad It did *e to ss re^aoucble tact the] Should ke eooetbing out of then* ot for the nnke of your refrigerator?--For the Defender end Siedtrolux usd *3* Z think. Only the klectfelux* not the "D*?--X do not know. tin. Hk?tCTt ttiea you ny actual cost do you sens' actual landed cost? UR* Cno93i Tee, the actual cost of getting it herThe eowpsny nade not u penny on it*.- VR. ynu Mentioned th*t you sight vest to go to Perth after 6 scathe in which or.se you would get 1| weeks holiday p*j ' Tee. There Is ao question of ny gola^* but the sajorlty of pei oose up for 6 souths sad then so to Perth and coca back again* oao usually go for sore then Id weeks holiday, but It way be $ * 4 weeks, end they are re-eugeged and co&e book again. would It be eerely for a holiday?--X could not toll you, bat X lsftglne it would be for a holiday or a break* After 6 sontbat--AfteT you have been working in the a7gof especially In eutsser they ey the walls get closer every ucy. they do tuinge ftlrly well with n holiday every 6 wontbs?--la the Metropolitan area there are * nunber of publlo bolldcyo throughout the ye*. r which we do not get, It ie wade up os part oV the three week* bclll*y. Sow you w*nt then every 4 iwathe?--Yee we consider that s person who coses up here i entitled to lesve after 4 Months end should not be bound down to 6 Months to get that A4/lc/- brek* Did you fi'-y that Moot of tbeis cobo beck?--So, e few coae book the severity being Miners, but X would not a-y that of tbe fittf. then you ery thet it coeto $8 to here your wif a up here and go b* ck after 12 Months th*t la not quite correct re your ft re Is peid la tint cr.** cad it would cost you only *3 43/10/-?--* yer* Xf X coko back it the end of the yer I wes not resuwl that nr fere would be paid rgcla X would not aotually ternl*: my erroloymnt. People going to Perth at the end of 6 Tenths ectuilly terminate their eooloyaent end get a taxation oleorw* Ttlt PMSlTJEKTi Wnat is tha posltioa *r. Croest \ VI. CR0t3t 1 n inatruoted tint whether *b*v Aterialaate their epployoent or not they get tboir^ \ fare book* j ms PTOSXSaiTi At what stags? . 67. ' t* wenojur* * .mm&z.... . _______ Produced In the matter of jj: i. ) .< . I \ t' n xsy pim aftor iiwui* Sax RnOUf ha /m tin to pap you? ftfi MX H PgWh jniiNll. MU fKQSO| To#* la *oh fata tbo o* <*Oj bo XM/1C/-J-- y*o. TKS lltfitliMni ! Hit fV* pall Uok to a mkar ate Mi Mw Mm tot last Uu II oo&tbh bm at tap tbt after tMt M fim to MM Ml* bo'ila-jrot W, AOWt Tot* St 1ft oe e oy for e. vorkor to adopt the aubtarfufa of temla*tla< bU eoplfyaaol. Xf ho Itaji aootbar 0 miiii it la peli book u .la, Xf U earka? Mri la uontbo It it vofuadod to him* SUE IMStX&0T| st provUln* li Mkt imlKT M, CROSS) tfcdov k o-rd tt It $mt * if ho loaoul ola omlhpooat for tho flrot 11 a* rad la iM fan thf Ult U poll at tho tad of o ocetha. ns Pwsxaorrt sr pay too fat# w> i the nm laataoooa It *#* a period of 14 voota, nd Uoi oftor a povlod of % watho it U paid to the torkoo, IS* cpoflii that lo oo* rSD HTHMSi || tho oaoo of ilnglo at tekif* a belU^ hi tho o4 of o aoathh tad oecdM book agol* tho aotqxay if pvopired to pop 19 la farao. low CxnflBj Sa vouid pop hlo f era to p*rtbl--Xf X atiy hare 4 aUi X dot m fu paid book to M, am* if t r> baok to Perth &Ad oooa haok boro ***** X got paid ac*lh ea oror a portM of a you tho ooopaap papa 10 for farae. Hut if X otop hero for a parted of 1| aaatha vould X fat ey faro paid book agalBl la Other vaodi soul* tho t*ao lawod of ooaix ho erpaudad oa oof MU CRMSj Xt *oald mol ake oap olfforooeo If yt otoppod 6 acU tv *> |iut 7U MMWTt Ao rttaooo li Mrl>r tfint le effaot tho ooopoap it aiUtnf to pop 09 iwiy lp ft*tbe, vhy therefore oat pap tklo oltaooa hit rotura fre ttf M HAt oa holiday* hi Ao ood of II hflothf, MU CROOhj 01 rotund*&eoo foroa theo to pep th^t it ha# p*MOt Mat, hut It dooo art a*-a that It vtU alaa? a ho Ao peoltloa wart labour Mern* aero plentiful* MU fk009| Xf you ooro vottl&tf oa a geladao e^ebere ereuinl thlo area, oap vitala a boadfod adloo or m furtbor aerth you vould bo I |tl itf of Mm euiiibiMM 0* act kaov* XUS PMthXtsurS' Too told no of thoa* firurea for yrtetrloo for tbo T vka Olaaa your wife hao haan hare. Aon you pour wife on llrtm* U IaTU Perth did pert keep eop vromorto whlob era at all ooa*erklet*-*o, X did not Peep *eoouatft, >wt ry vifo ory hare aeoa, hut X 4e oet kaov* M did flad tan oa ?* *a foot vo ocaoemod IX dX/lh/* par vnk m t*>le for tho X of L ft *>*. XXX. r ., * 8 <0 oc Si offsot ihitvM in aifUi It Hit Hi pmut ttiuiit uUto MM to Ml **miMtTrr It, . f Uo PNMil WuiS sou* potUpof--X would Ml soy it# prsws&t bulo sag# fessuys# m Eousslotpla; till It p9rta ** 1ms ml* %% It 19 M*f, at it MM m Hi 4Hl?Ui i1Hmmi too iiU vtut if mrii U klgUr It i it* tUUlttfS uig&iT* IH> it PniM. It It is.ty* pit m tisasM--Hi sloes i&U is mtily <2 4lffor&t I* l|M It M it **!*, TM Moutls it UM Him (1|iui n uot mos*s>>rlly tooumMii tt* MQ)iA| T|U nrt |iU| to u; tin it miU <2 pot ink Mit 4ppimU|, tto STS KSttltC V* MTS Ot Us bulls VST* 0*4 JO/* sa t&t olOtfitt ilUviaMi UH it T#s, tut Hsvi ui Um Itootvsnlsuss. It Its U Msusti; ts tup s nfA|nloi Hp 1st*. lUrlt# to n HtMVI kim Tscstl bits 4 inn Us first stsks up in X oco- 9Utd it doflmltsiy tmutH oas# Mi Ha Hin is in tost Of kINMI Ilf Hit* nx rwim Ms Ml is ui| s*T--II usm toui t folleas pr * mi is stout 14/* fit 4 |iU, sad ut is wt laoklM it tiwo IMrs 4 m kI Us fctiossap?--X Mrs to tap it ftos Ui eoi^up's 9t*fS# IfUMPSTS U| tot iMklll it ttstt oiUst# At* IUp sits ill iftsludtd it Us otvpoyUls ficuio* it TfiUT--is# Jbr viM psiptM ssuld pcs m llio4T-4ii sooklts* ituUvpM'iii Ttsrs is fstisT It* of suiiif out Sort, till its Nl mm uA pta SSAtit knp stssU St Us ua for tors Hu 4 UfO# Es= laa* souls s <4/1C/ ltss *f *s*4 lost youT--X as mot too*, tal 0 UN 4 PNMU4 MoktV pUttl 0 It! OS VS 4t Ml lN IM fill solas oil us Uto* Sit rsu cst Hi ItM Vita your wlfs firot ssas ktitM HI tot gst Hll is*4 o4 oo4 Ootsoto slso tauglt it stout 2 or 5 vsUS SfS St4 it Hf VMS gUt stsf IMp *afc4 m It X mil !* it# K, MBib Sow ltss 4s PM sttlsipst# Ut it will liltt-l Mtti I Uitk 4mHI4 Hi milu sad sutotr tt siU bo iMiisop U pit s firs it Us kMM oil dtp# M Uo proosst 11m it to iivmHvilp nn it Us teuss, tal tv tors kM to |tps s fin la Us Imm oil up* TKX PRJUZQDfTi KsTs you boss bsrs doit* Uo sold wssiosfl--Ooly Us last tm oosko# Z loss bos* tors sLaos Iotsoust# *V KafUAi %ul4 PM SST it is o VNMI ptostlos for mtHw kits oftor k miU ts is to >.m for o ulll^W-I HIM you HU fisi Ust Uo BSjozltr Of soikin s M fsrU at tot ou4 af 1 Mntfca. tad bTt 3 ss 4 SOUS bcUdoyT--3^>4Lac spot U oawt of aoooy tup UVI got* Ooaims U Ut 5 Up Stok you said you uoutod BowMioy sad Hitasy off to 40 odd Jots Mournd us touot, If you its sssS of $ toys ^ with any tit7 off curing the week, Tuesday or twneedsy, tad work* a roster Including HHturaay..*?--X do not oey it would be the **e a* we have already forced the 2 dye before fend got the ntturdeya and Sundays h free* Produced in the matter of X thought you said that you had Jobs around the bouse th.st you went to do on daturdey?--X did not oay that S wonted to do then but there Is plenty to do* Could you net do the* on any other dsyl--there 1* elvnya Plenty of work that can be done at hone* end Z do quite a lot at night tine* Ho* 4t would it suit you to work ney Xondoy, Tuesday *nd h^vo Wednesday off, end then work Thursday, Friday end fV.tursay?--X oesnot try that Z fancy the Idea* X would rather work e atraight 5 day week and bare :8oturdey and Sunday off* c Pidlanl Junction it cloned down on Saturday end Sunday?--Ye* but X watt on call fro* the 'x*t Perth station end was liable to be exiled out et any tine on Saturday on Sunday* You would not be called out for the workebope on Saturday 0r c Sunday?--I have been* X wee also the fitter In charge of Diesel tlootrlo trains and have had to go to Cbidlowt to bring beck a train* Zn the Htdlaad workshops?--At the weekend as well* You were working overtime?--'Tee* And on ether weekends Z was eal out to Uo rei>alr jobs* but there are only 6 diesel trains awl it was * Batter of getting toe* back in service as anon as possible* 4 (The witness withdrew) c KTOH tfsctpiy. Sworn* XXAVXKXDlH* till TCH. mat art you etrplcyed ee?-- Picking off the belt st the present t met would you call that occupation?--Cherry picking* flsve ycu ever dene any wining?--Tee* a little bit* ftow r.rrrs yo- ra tocv> you been a cd.net?--a coupl e of years* Iffi, KeKOTAi Pining here?--ho* I tbs at the Triton Ooltelne forId months* W* Vh*t were you doing at Triton?-- Z was la the st^e bogging* Unbaring* arc tine Bluing* eklpe or anything* labour was just es sceroe then there as her#. Art you evare of the hours worked on a sine?--Zn an actual mine it Is 7i hours 5 dsys per week* that la 371 hours underground* mat hours did they work on s*tu?dcyJbw on the surface at the Triton goldalne?--7by all worked 5 days per week holiday to Friday* that is the fitters, they did here 2 aiil fitters sad they worked a rotation of shifts on weekends* Xs there cay distinction on a goldmine between surfece workers, underground workers* end continuous process worksrs?--?es* dsfl: ltfly* 70. '~*t, 1*croaS. XXK. K. UtroUttX* XX* c t f tI c Can you espleln to th* bench whet that distinction la? And the sunder of hours that each group of workers worko?--Underground workers wrrk * 5 d**/ ``ok Monday to Friday, 71 bourn neb dry. flurfacw workers work a 5 dcy woek Monday to Friday Inoluelre o hours per day, and continuous process workers work a 40 hour weok over 6 drys, but I think their day off rotates, tbet Is, if they bust Tuesday this week they will bare Wednesday nozt seek* All depending upon a roater?--Yes, they have * roster* So notunlly the continuous process worker works 4o bourn spread over 6 days?--Tb&t is correct* All other workers, both underground ni outface, work * 5 dy week Monday to FriUsy?--Yes* ya.UoXSfiBX) You mentioned two mil workers?--* They are in tbs continucud process ssotlun* MR* OLimt In the union* s olein (and Z Might mention tbot it hes all been agreed to) we hare * definition of continuous work* Are you asuis of tbs definition?--So, X oculd not quote it*. X would like you to give tone idea of how you cospare tiring eoatt with Frth* Are you a married want--Yes, with a wife and 2 ohlldr r Bar# you got your wife beret Bo, she is in Perth* Your wife end the 2 children are In Perth?--Yes* Are you on wages here?--Vo, X so a piece worker* TITS PRK0ITS*T| shat is .this cherry picking?-- Pieking wulloek off the belt* when tbs err* Is being earned up the belt anything not eontalning any fibre la oise&sded. MR, OXXTOti How do they work that on pieoe work?--6/- per ton for picking the mullock off* 7H3 Pa33XOTT Xa there my penalty' attached for picking off other than wuilockt--Yes, there io certain mount of wind as the shift boos culls it. If you are paid 6/- for picking a ton of wulloek off the belt the tsnptntion perhaps would he to regard artsy things o miUeofcf-- Vo* because if you do they ere on to you, UR* OUTER* The idea is not to allow the wulloek io go through tbs will* It pays to get it off beforehand* * have actually overlooks* this oooupatlon* THE PKSSlOEKTt % far as the wlniwun rate of pay Is concerned I do not know under whet eategory this witness would cows* TEE mUJ3n* As a mil head* in* OLIVER* Although not Hated in that occupat ion he la listed as an ore .treatment operator* UR* CH03S) Yhat is correct* TJIV riasoiOTVT* with s margin of 3/- per shift* JCi* cr.03dj Yes* that la eorreet* w* n. S* tfsolcaP* XV. w- f*-*r\ TH3 P3S9X3BITI Tou get 6/. per tent--Y*n. Cn the averere bow long would it take you to pick a too of tcullock off the belt?--It depends upon bo* the plant is gol;# If tb ore it a bit dKtap it clogs up ml you cannot put the br*c ouount through tbs or&oker. It depends upon the condition of tbs ore* The belt night travel for e couple of hours without e stop end then it might cnly go for 12 inches or 2 or 3 inchee pernare, But if the dll was Turning ell day?--X would get about 3 per Bilift. RR. ItctERNAt Would that be the tonnage going through the will?* Ro* whet X would actually take off. Tgo of us would pick off about 20 tone in s good dey*s picking, HR. OLXVtfs Htwe you ewer given way thought of what your cost of living up here is end nainteining a wife in Perth?--definitely very pey dey. Save you ever thought about bringing your wife up her*?--7e* I bare thought it ever, but the wey tblnge are it lw too uncertain with a btsle wage of 6/15/- and a 30/- district allowmoe. Tbit pay Z have only bed 3 shift* picking off the belt *nd X would no entertain the idee of bringing aqr wife up here until things are acre settled. Bare you ever asked Hr. Broadhuret to provide you with a house?-- Teu h?ve not eerlously considered taking up residence apparently Jfet yet* HR. BcRTRRM Bow long here 70U bosn here?--About 3 months but Z went awry at the end of t ar.ntha for 4 or 5 weeks. wen *SJX PSEtXUBrTt Tou oto cne of them referred to b7 the previous fitness?-- la X backed then the right way when they spun the dice, the nejorlty do not go awey on their amines, they ga awey cn what they win ut the g*co, but it is not possible to do thet sines the gam* atopped. Ml. OblYxilt Who stopped the ganot--Constable Johnatm. Tou heard it eapltinsd previously of how the hasio wage la wade up?--T#f, Tou have s difference in the basic wage over Perth of epproxiwete 6/- end a 30/- district sllasanoo which gives you en addition . , over Perth of 33/-* Oo you think that offssts the difference in living coeta hers as against Perth?--Ro. Xt la not only the living coats, you have to look at It froa the point of view of a holiday. Tou are entitled to a holiday end surely the br.eio wrgo whs worked out so that you ooulu trk# your fanlly a way for a holiday. If you want to teke your wife and 2 chlldrtfi it la not only o question of feres, 70U buys to toks lu&tge end you cannot do tbst for nothing. The aen could net go sway. THE ??jnx agRTi at* you allowed a certain SMunt of luggage en the plane witheut charge?--35 lba. jr, RUTOi 5<i in *rfct you fed that If tou brourbt your wife dau siumes acre you sdght never get ou t egtin?--f)n wages I would not bring then here. Dn the t^fieetion of rwanltlcs, what saenitie^# 1b*ve ycd in thia 72. H. VaoLEAV* W. I <A c c c place?--Ibe aaenitle* ore all at titteneoa Qorge end not *t *ittenoo at all* *e are at itteucoa now* Uat are tbe anenltlee at the Gorge?--There la a cricket pltoh up there, a Ml of a eporta grounl, tennio court, eslnola* pool, and Horary* 9o ao?iau you down to tjttenooa ban Alienated you fron the aueultleaT--Oefl&ltely* Ces you go for' a ewlsT--They go for e avia at tbe eekend* You go by bus to Saturday oornini and **lt until It costas btek In the afternoon* Tou hare a avianin# pool?-Ye** there la that?--About 3 tilts dots froa tbs nine* Ho* fr.i free W*ttenoo* tovn?--About 5i to 6 Bile*. Ho do you pet there?--C*tcb tba slat hut* 2b you hart to pay for tb*t?-*Y** that does it eost for board la tba t?--At pre*t It to 35/par week, hut we hare beta advised by tba Bcagen*at that tba borrd la going op to 4o/~ per week la tba future thought we hJjwv# not been given any definite date* Xs tbe food la tba ess adequate?--Extra good* Xt la a pood boarding house?-Ys 73o you find tbli buelaaee of keeping youT wifd la Perth costly?-- Tee, hut it depends oa tbe pay as to how it peas out* So you rent a house la Perth?--I aa buying heuee la Perth* TBE PHEUZSCKTt *het feally bsv you got?--A wife sod 2 children. Touibc children?--Oat le 7 uid tbe other 2| to 3* shot suburb?--South Perth* bars your lfe and children living there all tbe time you ware t TTlton?--1M, Hew Ion? le it since you beve been living at bono in South Perth with your *ife continuously and working in Perth?--A couple of yet Since then you heve siaply been living as e single nen either t Trltoa or here?--Tee*' Do you think it eects score to live that way tbfn to live la --> Yefim tely* -tl Ttke tbe 35/- board and lodging that you are paying at tbe o*nt, you dont think it vould oost your aife an extra 35/-- to keep you down there?--Definitely not* Apart frore the little electricity that you Bight use It vould only be * Question of food?--Yes* HR* OLXTOlt tfculd you work up here oa wages?--1X do not think o* 73 ^ * H. ttiieLXAK* XT* what X ween that if it were not for tfao nount you get In addition to your wages by wey of piece wort would you stay on va^te?--tfo, not on tbe baoio wage plus dlutrlct allowance* la It ycur Idea by cosing in to the beet country to Increase ycur income from bonuses cr piece work?--The Idea in cosing to aoat of these plaoct is to endeavour to got a few bob out of then Mid have s bit of e. holiday* They generally nebs it attrae* tire enc^fe to get l&bcur here* Tour objeot In coning to nttenoom forge v&e to work piece work to get & few sdditionnl pounds?--Uy object vus to get rdien the T-ttca cloeed don they ocas don and canvassed for torkers, end t cent up* tet tit yet the position,clearly* Then they canvassed wre any inhicenent offered in audition to wr.ges?--Ye#** Z cane here as a machine miner, net in tbe rill at all, and was employed as a macliin o edner* wh*t were the lnduesmento?--The amount ef money being wade and tbe wonderful conditions* let we pot it this ways You were not offered the a otual wegt rate at Tittenoom?--Yo Shat were you offered?~?itos work on octilne mining* Sere you offered actual piece work, end net to cor# here on wages?-- Yft* CHCSS-EXiHIJXO Jtt. C<8S. When you were et Triton what wae the district allowance there?2 would cot be cure what it was* It is 6/6 in the award?--That la what It would be* Tens er.id it is costing acre here than at Triton?--X never said that at all* That do you think of the prices *t T-lton as osicpnrtd to here?* That w?s a different* proposition altogether. One could get into tbe rwllwsy station for 2/* end catoh a train to the Bell for a dollar, tut bore you csn*t 6*t out* But on the enaction ef price#?--Z b?ve not bought euoh since 1 htive been here, and Z sever bought such at Triton* Teu did net got your fare to and from tbe Triton to Verth?--Ho, X bought it myself* 2 eeauirt'froft ahat you acid about man going ewey on their winnings that thet won't happen in the future?--Hot the say It io going now* The quea tlon of the cost of holidays would be the same anywhere in the north as it was at Triton whan you paid your own fare?-- Tea, tut there you were on a railway and old not hers to ccteh an aeroplane*..................... *' Tou ere better off here then at the Triton?--Var fro* it* Teke Mulloglne ana other pieoes?--X do not know anything about them* X ctn only apeak about needy** end X would not s*y that" X am better off here than there* ^finitely not* j j Your board and lodging here eost 35/~ per meek,,now, and yoc have beta assured tbst it la grin* up to do/-* Ib&t la ctlll fairly cheao ecccwaoaeticn?--T*a, but not ea coeop as at Reedy1*. Price* hero gone up a lot since tLsfc tlc.T~?hry have m>9 Up. but net a lot. YN* ypilWl:?i Ubui vr.K the cost at ttMKty'sf--$7/6 lor tcfn red ^9 for t but. lift. cnC`33; lad here full bosrd *j>rrt free lefcing la 3^/-T*~ Tu^t la set full Scvrd ua se h*v* to nucjjly our crn knife, frrk spoon and cop, and w* eat cafetarle style. To go to tbe ccunter, pick it up, and wcah cur cwn gear up afterwards. * In Vf.lrre-iie lousing, epart froa tsttele, Is J7/6?--I do rot know r-ncut tb*t, P* sr# not ns&ilug about the price of lodging, w art 0ctls:l*d. You a iid tbet the sviu&itm pool la or 6 ailea froa toe town. ta you know that It la only > idlesf--X know it l too far to wa!2 Yen would not argue about it bains 34 ailea?--Eo. you think that thf cccpmy la preening ahead with aaerdtlaa at ltteaoott fte fast as they cent--that are the eaenitlta -- tba piotu abow, put that baa not even alerted to shift. It 1c a (piestloa of getting plwit?--They cannot press ahead until they get the pleat. X should osy that aneaitiee ere at a ateadstl They are crossing rhesd with the new power bouse?--Ye*, they hare the *dase* up mere. The other things that you hare cooplftlned about such as t&e crick pitch, end aporteground, here you not been naked to choose a alto for a eperisground beret-X do not know# X hare been awry end it hie newer been neotloned to at. Are not you the uninn rep?--X cm ohidwji* Sid not thoy *ak the union reps, to cboo*e a eporteground end they would go abead with the eonatruetltm?--X cannot enewat that question to try knowledge. You know, co you, tfcct the union reps, fc*w* not chosen a oportagre --1 know ucthing about it el all* TJCc pjaCJiasaYs ltew do the general living conditions cohere hire with *447*0 ey&rt fron the ouewtlnn vS cost?--X should ney they * were probably a bit better than this. Xn the oowpound they had a ewlnolag pool and the neas wen right *t the caapeund* It wan cal: *\*>ut 3 or 4 udnute*# wnlk frow the coapnund, and they had a bill toon end hotel, and a football ground and eportegreund, and they used to provide all transport to enl iron the picnic grounds, So ter as llYin* 30 corotmed It van better there then here Just no Are 2xs you living in the tomaitet.-Yeo. Z& one of the single eu*s huts?--In the berrficko. ^ Bewe you been 11win; there ewer slnoe you ease or were you living in the iferse?--1 was in the cargo in the b*rr*cke end they here shifted thru down here now* (The wituese withdraw.) 75 n.u&cu.;*v. XX*. / r i c HB3LET ttYttmQ*:i!?Onit XUMIMV W rtXVtR. Vb?t ie yrux oecunntipn ?- Orgsnlecr A.Y.T1, Revo ynu ever beeu employed on a Gold Kin* f-- Tee, Tf'U nre conversant with the conditiona employed on Gold Kin** 1-- I think to* X van secretory of th* KalgooTlie b?:nih A.I4t*. On the cjueattou of hour* of work on Gold U\ne what ere the method* of employment regarding continuous wotker* end vuTfses workers in particular, X * not concerned with underground workers* hut 2 do want you to tell the Court the conditions of employment with regard to surplus workers end continuous workers 7-- X- the recent Gold lining Award there is provision for a cora*I working week of 4o hours in $ days for surface workers* and for oontlnuocs prooeae workers 40 hours in dsys epreod over 6 days* Actually as far as our newbara era concerned they work 40 hours In 5 days thought there way be perhaps one or two exception! In ecus Gold bines where one of our members works on oontlnoue prooeae in tbo flet* Conditions In ths will here nrs similar to those on e Gold Kins* It it usual to employ maintenance staff for a period of 6 days per week *ft, spat lixth are the usual hours of employment ?.- A 5 day week* And If It It necesosry for melntenonee they are called out and paid at overtire. Xn the present sward special provision Is mrde for overt lee md Saturday work* normally ths provision Is time end a half for ths first two hours end double tire thereafter and westing on G*turdsy morning It Is time end s half for the first 4 hours nnd double time thereafter* Is that the ol.'im you are making In tola cess t--- The claim we are otklng in this case le based on the Gold Lining A*erd because previously the houro elwuse was similar to thst in the .*>1-1 lining Award* do In actual fact you srs asking In your claim in this eoss for conditions similar to ths Gold lining X^iuetry 7-- That Is true* We are prepared to agree that continuous process be included nd shift work he Included, and we hve also agreed to lift the restrictions on verttwe which are Included la ths Gold lining Award at the present tins* i lUve you cay recollection of a young Apprentice named Oreycodt being employed et nttsnooa Gorge 7--- Ya* he was employed as a electrical fitter* Have you any knowledge of the **gee he was pftid ?-- Yet* He was paid In accordance with the sward. He was in hie second 6 months of apprentice and received of the bealo wage which wes emended to 2* 15* 2* and on top of that be received the 30/* per week district allowance* and on top of that again the brntgeoent cade a concession to him In thst Instead of peylng the normal 35/~ per week bo'.rd they g eve him board for 17/6d* pfti veek. 4 TES P!(SX073iTi then wee he employed hereto He left here bout the end of February* for bow long bod be been eeployed t-- For Kbfcit 2ft t#k. though be ego only apprenticed In the later pert of the period here* . line be gone elsewhere to complete bin apprenticeship t-- Y#s, Owing to the feet of tbe high coit of living, the other disabilities end the environnent in which be wte sorting here be approached the kenegeacat end naked then to agree to a transfer of his apprenticeship down to Perth* V * 0LX7E<t Bhet neesuree bare you taken to eecert.-ti the facts of your atrtenent ?-- X looked up the tine and wtgeo book* And tbht la stated In the tins sad wages book T-- Tee* Does it show the oonotselon in regard to bis board ?-- no* X ao not think so* Who told you then that be was In fact getting bis board and half rates t-- The boy blnoelf* YnU hate no eridance at Ylttenooa Gorge that that was s Ho, except taet it was an acknowledged fact asongat the sen ana the shop representative knows it. ' Who was jour shop representative t-- Kr* K0rg*n, 9e 70U knew what age this apprentice was T-- 17 or 1$ years of age, Tea he In bis first or seoond year T-- He s in hie second 6 scathe -- of the baslo wage* THJt PRE*Ttn5KT| The s&ne rate os *fc the A.Z.U. Gold Y'&lng. Award f-- E*, be was paid differently to the Gold U<olng Award* He wee paid 2*?d of the bsaio wage plus full district *llowtnce* But the woo the sane Y*o* Vtt, oiiVWt Go In offset this boy In bit second 6 aosths of hit spprentloeoslp wos receiving 1* 1?* 2* as portion of the basic **?e,vtas ^C/-- district allowance plus a concession on bis board saouatisg to 17/6d* par week T-- Yes* that gave bis a wage of 4* 0* 6d* per week T-- Yea* And you st7 be left because be could sot continue on under those conditions !-- Ys9 ou iccount of the ooet of living and the disabilities undor which be bad to live up here* end toe tU'Hry&neut* YHt Pit::niDiTt U# Jiiat did not like the place ?-- He was here for 3} years ud then aaked kr* 3-oadfcurjt for a transfer us bo weld he baa bad enough of it* Prior to being opprentic* now ana be employed ?-- as ** Junior worker* UR, ZK7X3| Ha# sny replication been sede to back date bis apprenticeship:-- ,,* I bed nothing to do wito tbt* GRC4iUgxafttr^g9 HH* 9| You would not want to see regular evertlae vorkei if It can be avoided f** Re, X do not think it J* necessary* I think under the ***rda1 ****v Mt* Ttophy d**':*4.*'** *n (told ironing Award the setter could easily o got ovar* 1 Overt lise Y-- Tea* Soessssaw -- Praduotd In the matter ot Adbdtoi Ptrtonal Injury Cases; M lAlth .xtmt mLi me, .d a c ropied to ( c c c- t t ! You know thfit the restriction on overtlne that cpp*n* in the Grid lining Award wen not Included in you? last eaboetce everd T.- That la so. TOE VRLBXDHIfl 7ftu a an that tbU aub-olauce *z Old not. 1R Clo83$ sub-ol&use {) of the Sold lining Award did not appear in the asbestos award* Tiat riTEsasi (i) ad. HR. CRO*)*h That alno appear* in the Gold V.ning Award, but uu^-cltu&e <a) s*ys thnt tba ty.unt of ovartlaq shall e restricted to the least praotlosl Rlnlsua T-- Tea. That eese tuk-cleure (f.) appeared 1c the old Ocld Wining Aord T-- X would not scy that now. the sain point is that you Co not like overttwe if It can be avoided T-- Re. nth ragerd to this apprentice you know the reasons why concessions were aide, It was beoeuse his parents did set lire here T-- K^a father lived her# for a period previously.* It la a very different position for' a lid living away froa his parents to ons living with bis parents ?-- X do not know. X 8hould scy the position la thin on the evidence X have beard, end froa what bus keen told as, and the fast of what It eorita to keep nos In tno 2Gpt* ness tb^.t there would ha very little difference whether his perents hnd to keep hln or not. But would you not say that it would be very unusual for s young apprentice to work in the outback away froa nla parents ?-- They had two apprentices here living ewty froa their pnrents. They had an cpprcntlo* complete*bis apprenticeship previously up here. Have you aver found that elsewhere ? - They had two at Ytapl. Ki-SUtUXKtO 101. OLIVER: Have you any idea when these awards were given - that is the blue seceotos ewrrd and the Gold tfolug Award T-- the J previous blue asbestos awerd wet delivered about June 1947* Have you eny recollection of wLen the Hold Lining Award wes given t-** vith regard to the general clause* X think It was n^eeaber 1947* n actually the Gold 1'inlng A*crd wrs given a long tine efter the blue eabeetoe award T-- Te*. And thnt cf course would eecmtnt for eoaethlngo being in the Cold Vtnlng Aw*rd that *r* not In the other awards t- Ys, end that Is why we have Rada appltcotlea cn this econalcn to bring it Into lina with the Sold tuning* Aaer-i so for as general condition* now are concerned. (the raTHWA with****). EXAMXKK*) VR. ClITOlj 8AVURL HirvTrn. ?5wom. ^ . n. crvwffi M3* 78. X3*. , . .. rpi im io<u I-- m Kuwriiri. IbapMtW Of 4M Produced In the matter of Asbestos Personal Injury Cases; Abrams lead & copied to Richard F. Scruggs. ait cxp2lMi l>r |M i4 at a Niaaa SaipMlDi 4i yem* Htt int f lm lm you cowmt *t bUh 1b uy iri you t-- MUwt Ui M Z Mrk U iveiy fcua Cm otdUda* % Moi fay Sr.ot Tim Kuo tyoa Voulu KU Va dba furdbaat Lit, do you l&eluoa U a* ,1X, YrUoc and Hill fifty t-- Tat, Xn foot you laapoed ovary Mima ou tb BiToblsoa ami 1a tMa M*rtM mt t-- Ho* do dMo eoadltlaa# at OitdoBooa cme>*y vlth Vm otter Uta*o you veuld laapoad t-- foay oould sot aoop. r* at all dMaro la bo ooaptriaoa. ISIS PRXttDKVfi Toad do you am* My cemaiUoaa*. 4,0 you ttfarria* da dka actual ooadldloba oa in niMt KH. OLZVSKi lo Tka auoadloa I outtd Mr. Must to noir la Moo oould tB ooaaltiou* aei-para ilia VLddaaaaw olio albas also* bruit Mis jurioolodloa. TBS yuaiDOTf Coadlttoaa Ott dka It Mlt at dlaUaot <> goaoral Hilog goaUUiM. JCH OUTXHa To* 2 Mtt tto Mias voitl^t* TBS MITBSStt X t*Ma Id you tttfhB ttBdasgiouad tad Wit* MH* OUTifci 4X1 oork dbad (MS on uauar dka Minea tcsvl*Uou*-- Tkoro la bo MiptrlMc batvaoa klttoaaoa OoSga tAd t&y atbar Miaaa, dan is laoludlxg Mold load and cold alBaa. TJtt yUSBlZUTi T.m mob you oBi*od *ka aoy oeaparlaca sv all T- X you oould mot. Tala la dUftint Blaise *ldorfdk*r vita lovboaka aad Mad asda mud diaaola uBdarcroumi. YgU ae> mad fad dMa% 1b Cold l^aM ad all* MR, CUTO) T.u MW O&a of tu party &a dbo l&u:>eotloB of tb* Mibo yaadiaday. 1 %Miak 00 vltud tvo voiding place* if it tfi/tt Ttiw plaooa. teuld rou oar dMad dboaa tbroo placaa tro a fair 1& :1c-Hot* vi tbit dbo Mima wrkt vara Xlko t- No X vould nod any tbit, t voulo ay tMad dM*d v*s dMa boat of U* TMa Wat soda ?-- To*# you boo da* toad, eardulsly uot vb# or*t 9o actually vo oara dakoa do dk* bright apata 1-- TUX PRicSXYVTt t,,u Mau tha roaody 1b your ova MIBda Mr* Cllror* nit nritatH X tola My* Olltax a aaupla at tUaa iftB 11 oar# la dMaro* W* OUttKi Z an Bad aoopltlalac. 2 *a drylac da a art you droufelo, 9MZ VZnzSB) TMa Xurt&ar la you go dbo Mottor It pta ii4 X aoulU mi Mr. 3,naa oas mod uoad do It, Bd X aUd dO My. Oliva* ..... 8. WttfM X. 4?H* cams* *# offered to show tbe Court tbe whole else this efternoen If Vr* Oliver wirnts to see it* TliS wiTffnsnj will tbe tiieselo be worklngt SIR* CLIVES* X do not think we should got bested about this because ifter ell It lo o fair enough question about comparison* vn, COHOOj go* s tn objecting to that as X think it is unfair* 7HS l'fls3I7JSRTi Tula is the point X made clerr to you yesterday' morning that we were there to see whatever you wanted us to nee* T^u bod the opportunity to take ns enyw&tre you wanted to take us* Ufl* OLI7ZH: X asked thee to take to the hottest end of t&e lfne* end we were told there were no hot ends* snd X am asking Vr* JL.ater Is there s hot end in the Vine* UR* CROSSt that claim is this related to? , UR* CSXTERt General conditions on tbe mine* H0t enis do affeot t&e workers* fHX PRE3X DSHTj X think It is relevant under the olein of district nllovcnoe or bonuses* BR* ChtYXNt What would you say from your experience *8 * prtotical miner and V^nee Inspector would be the offfeet of working diesel lcocs iscir ground T-- They were tbet ebji>ctlon*.fclo* End X bed ao mnny reports about tbe* from tbe knera working under e cifferent set up to tbis with the die-cels underground tbPt I oca asked to go end make a complete report to the i'^nee G^p^rteent* which X did* X condemned thea>* the* erectly wee your reason for condemning them T-- X have to core here ptrirdically end to go into the ends with tbe diesels . roTkinrr et their very best is bad enough* but with 1cubic*e cud ermped position and not being to brestbc properly, ycu have to try to stop yourself brestbing so that you do net get tbe grseco down your etomch* Tru get tf*ry short winded, and it cakes ycur eye* snort* Forsor.e time rftcr the fumes eons cut when you go into those ends Kgain you can still tcote them, end If you light a cigarette you can still taste It in the tobacco smoke* it absolutely exhausts you* Xe it the exha ct from these diesels ttat causes the fuses T-- X should say It was* They open oxasusto and t&e get comes strel7bt out, end is usually ou tha side you ore working rad you get tne lot* Sec* of tue ends are hundreds feet further in than tbs cneo v* wot to* and if Uleaelo are geing in tbe7 nre going on an up rcld pushing empty trucks in and tbe exbsust is wore then than whkn they are coming out with loaded trucks. Toey hnv* to pull them ?-- They are not uupposed to Idle In 4cua muds* the engine is supposed to os cut off but tb* chop* will tell 7cu that Is they stop them they could not otart them t objected to that alSri^** "* va'.t psriicuxfcr time there was no ether octuodof haulage* 00, 8. KUHTER . --.,9. 6.49. r*. T;,-:,- -SW*!** Produced In the matter of Asbestos Personal Injury Cases; Abrams lead & copied to Richard E Scruggs. THE Pit&9X'SKT Sbcn did you tks that report 7--. X should any It souls we nearly two year# asro* J^e tho working condition* the ease underground nv *s they ere 2 year* ego ? The diesels art definitely worn* now then then# By eye* smarted all the tie# 2 vse underground* *od In your report 2 year* ego you steted tbrt you eoR'Jenned the dleoels t-- Ye*. ffb&t did Xbh% neon ?-- The fixate Wining Engineer asked ce for a report snd I told blv esaetly vhnt X thought of It. X called It poisonous fuwos. Ynur eyes got burnt end you had palpitation of the heart* end you felt choked. then you cay you condemned cheat shat do yon ntm toy that Z thought toy the w7 they erote to u about these diesels they vested to know whether it would be practicable to work then or sot, end X definitely said It was sot practical c iu this tin* under the present net up -- to do Into the deed end* end b ve then ldel in the dead ends* which Is definitely sot allowed* The Vines Opsrtsent apparently bare taken so action a lace c then ?-- Tee. X wrote asking for tbs Tabulation Inspector to cone regularly onoe a sonth and bring bis instrument a to se*ire the gee* Xt see that objection bis and X thought the gas w*s pciso&ous. Rjt on tbs report X got fros his 1 na not well enough up in the gcae to read hie report properly beciuse it goes into thonsenth* and slllloneths that X do not underspend* end bo deals with purtloles in the air and that sort of thing...... cpperratly no action va taken by the V^nea' X^prrtsent to approve fir disapprove of tbs uee of diesels undeTTtrcund T-- c Cour*.-* I bed lot of correspondence end X think they dll not do .-mytbing because they did not want to see the eebeotos mine* 9loa*d dosm* end they bod to use loctwotive poser to work the sines. It wea&t that If 1 told then to leers the locomotives out on the bemoh the whole position would collapse r*J the Vise would stop. that pr.rtlnlr.r tleo X Ld rutborlty to do that, but 2 did not went to see a lot of res thrown cut of work pi>rtlcuhtly ee X thought it would be getting better lcter on* but it has not got better* it Is definitely worse* end X wn told there ro a oolltpet yeatercUy* They are definitely bod underground* i/p. r-LX'/Zlt So you think the introduction of electrically driven locomotive* will iwprovs condition?! underground Certainly It ulll. They us* then in oth:r Vines such as at the Kg. ibH* They bad eules at the Trltoo sad big eleotrlo locos on the Gig r#U* X tt.ke It th&t toe swell from tbe dieaelo unisrcrctind particularly in confinei wpcces is stune^tlf^ Yr*. X take It is effect that although they bore been proved sot necessarily poluonfcus they do ceuce a lot of inconvenifflce V let, they are very objectionable end dlscosfortiru:. I\at you think thot diaebUity e*uli be removed by the larro' .-action of electric notorn 2 could add a Mtt?e rtt*rs to th^t eat wo by drying that wbeu persitsion wy.s given to uae these cleoels underground originally they were net to go peat * through airw.'ry but htu to stop definitely at t thron-b air w&y which oecnt that they could not tro Into 81. ft dead end* oico} mi altered. tu *to would lecue th# peralt 7-- The Cloister for Mines* Vlthout any recoftseod&tloa froo the Ulnae Inspector t-- 1 do not know ah ether the perslt vat given before Inspector :'tlo>dn report or not* MR* CLXV Ri ire you edvieed when theet petalta are given by your da pertaeaxt-- Tea* to they eend you ft copy 7-- so* X do not get a oopy* It it usual for your daperttent to issue persita or ordara to Mloaa unde? your Juriedlctlon without your knowledge no* Go you ftlwaya gat notlflad 7~ tee* The ventilation officer* Mr. tloyd, aohaeouent to bit inspection of the Mina when Me took the duet content a** fuse content of the air, did you get a copy of that report 7~ lea. ho did you get the report fro* 7-- Z think X got it <fro* you* 3 want $ou to think carefully before maewetlng thla question; la it umiol for the Mine* Gapertaent to keep you oovpletely ioforwed of every ctder or instruction they give Mina owner* in thie district 7-- veil so* . They do sot keep yoo coepletely inforcad !- So.' There are several thing* that 2 have noticed around the district which have teen gives to sine owner* sstrx end. trlbu tore they I have knows nothing tbowi* 2 only coeply with the wine'e regulations whether they give orders or not* In reply to Mia Concur you ends thla atstaeent that in the faoe of an adverse report fro* yourself on the cuectice of working tboee dletel wotors underground the perslt ** issued t-- Cprrect* The peewit wa restricted to through sir waye 7-- Originally the perslt wa*. 2 have a copy of that one* Are you sure when you say has since allowed the* to go into deed ends to work and that there **s a perslt Issued to that effect by the Minister ?<-- 2 did not get a copy of th-t peralt tut 1 have teen told by the underground Manager here that it ia a fact* Zld the underground wonsger show you hie instruction frea the Minister T-~ So* . Ski TVE FRnszOlIi: bid you *k hU to show it V lea. bid ha refute t~ Pa got a ft file* and threw thes about ths office, tore hit hair and talked his way out of It. Xt was while Mr* Foaphriee was here* no >wu a copy of the peewit fros the Mines beperteent 7-- Mo, 2 have not got one yet* Rave yoo written for one 7-- So* I wae eo disgusted Stout the whole set up that X did sot worrj -bout it. So-woo-haw* aot verified whether they are allowed to u*e thes or w*;'MW:>*-uly what X haw* teen told tore. ,._2he van tile ti inspector said In Mu report that they sere not poisonous* I naturally thought they sere poisonous gasses* and when 1 got that report to say they sere not I ste satisfied that they sere not Injurious* Zn other sorts your attitude is that sMist they are still objectionable it la not a setter of actual injury to anyone?-- B0t according to the report I got* f * CRDSS-rUMlITD UR* CP.0S3I T You knew that Vr. Adsae* an Inspeotor of sines inspected the slnel and repotted fovoursbly on the dlesele ?-- lo X did not* \ You say you did to os Vr. Lloyd the Ventilation Inspector had reported favourably on thea ?-- After IS son the. '* ^ Yet dasplts reports fros experts you are raising strong objection to it 1-- Yes* ..J r*> ( Are you frequently at variance with the experts ?-- Z sorted -V fros the general sorbing van's point of view, and at that psrtlculs tire as Z bars already explained I thought they sore poisonous >; . and injurious* They are very objectionable y*t* n <c VTrr PHESlDYXT: worse nos than before ?-- let* * '* fere they soree shoe Sr* Lloyd inspected thea 12 sentfcs after you first inspected thea ?-- They sers. pretty bad* 3 They bare got bad ever tbe last ? years ?-- One collapsed altogether the other day* It is the fuses you objeot to*, Kate they been getting some over the last 2 years ?-- Rot wbep they are overhauled* c There la a bit of op and dean about thee ?-- Yea definitely* ttozftlvcs they are not so bad* but shea tbe> collapse they get v*ry bad* 7bere rere two coupled together and vhen they at*,rt up you get the result of tvo instead of one shicb 2 had not*seen before* and that was plenty for as* . UR* CK033S Rave you any idea shy the Bines Department say have ignored yoor reports for 12 sooths ?~ Only that the regulations inspector sas so busy that he could not sate the visit* fas It not beeoue# they had soce knowledge of dieaela and toss * - that obey would not be injurious underground ?-- At that particular live they did not know* < Are they in the habit of ignoring your reports ?-- So* Do you always give the Cospany a copy of your reports t-- Yes* Alaayo ? ihe Sittenooa Cospany t lea ?-- There is tbe Tecord book and 1 write every thing In tbs record book and that is in the Line office* Xe sere in. the So*. 2 sain yesterday U- lea* The So* y sain would be tbe Xurtkeet in I-- when you start to talk veins in tbls nine it is eo cos pi leu ted end different to ether wtn** < te job for ee w watch up* T' e furthest place lo the sine would bo 100ft* further in than yeKs.t*erday ?-- 2 should say that it would be considerably sore than 83. ^^SBrafaacxi. If tr.e ;>lcn shows that it is only lex* ft* would you tiiaz^e-r.c ctis with it?-- I was going on the tine it took us to j$c in and around. Personally X corti.inly think that kite longest would be about 300 ft, though It nny be 6ro ft* by toe iwe rule because when your back Is bent you are walking quicker* 7512 PRE3IJKKT: fcr, Jlunter does not really know how far we vent* 15* C.?!15t I should think thnt he uould know the difference between too ft* and 600 ft* HIS Tri7Kdiit ibis Is such e conpllc&ted turn out* UH* CRnrpJ: I think X would?--* when you are contlnuounly In for hours end In one cross cut end cut another you do not bother* YftU knrw your vr.y around the pine ?-- Ho X don't * X have to have a guide to t r-ke se through* 13* CROSS: will show the Court anywhere in the r.ine that If*. Oliver wants to take us* 151* VcXC3?Aj So you wish to connect l(r* Hunter'a evidence up with any claim la the award* tfft* CLTVSRi Xt cowors the dels of disability in working In such s nine as the wittenoon Qorge asbestos tinea. UcZVtVAt Which section are you clalalng under? sn* 0LI7:rR; ibe disability e*>erisaced here in .aspect cf dintrlct allowances* that is what it ifl all wruit. to compensate then for* J5t* 1/cYZJRiA: Taking the district allowance clnln It is 3ry-- for n single itsn but you are draining X?. n Or** fer a carried sen* is that not 10/- on account of bis frr-llyX :n* CUV-ili y^u nuat reneeber this***** Mi* 1/cTETTlA: The f*ially uo not go down the nine. W* OLXVHR: o,3t dels lo offset by s dnicc for a clutrlct allowance of 1*>/- per week all round* tK fc&Te to keep in aind the delta of the other aide* 15!* CROSS: th',t bnut the surfece worker? TiX ?RK3X?K?t Xn whnt wry do the surface corkers and other workers generally In the district compr-re with underground workers? W. ObXVfR: Yr brer rrlneu the question thft X w*c not ;:oiB3 to ask, but X rill *k now. m* tv* do conditions in the nttennon ftr.rge In the Bill ccnyr.re with the Barbie bsr and coeet when they were in portion ?-- This ory rIIIItw io different to rnytclrc in w*Tt.rn fostralle that crises under ry Jurisdiction. Xr. toe old rinos it is all wet Billing* So there la e greater disability in this *111 tom In the Couet nine ?-- Ys* 4 ns. *hut 1 the disability t-- The iisut, T-.U do not get tbr.t la the Odd t'<ns because everything la vat* The chjst bare la terrific. T^u think that nan wotting continuously at the Conet nine would live longer then a nan working eontlnouely at tola wine T-- jrinittlfe * Tilt rRiaiDESTj H^w Is Kr. Hunter qualified to answer that. \ Tilt HRK3I02HT: *Te yon & nedie&l aan ?--> to, but Z have quits a lot to do with the doctor taking tests dvrs and where I lire. Sir, s.ub'>s who was at the Teapirs Gorge bad a laboratory therev and be did all sorts of tests with the blue ssbeato* fibre and x be le feeling the effects of tbs eebeatos oust by erpevineat. And Sr. roxsll..,..* tT.. CVX>03| X object. This Is hearsay, C^ll Vy. Toxsll. tax. rRWIWlfT: T think we are getting e little off tbo trr.ck there. T^t us take it a step further, H^w dees tbs Question of underground or will working enter into XKZXiZTXiP.tnriZkXxm the district allowance as sgclns, the carpenters working in tbe town tits* * vr. cLTTETb There they have go wnfflolent sen. lift* CH033: Shat about truck drivers. i-n. CLIVxRt Z an probably a little behind and should bare cowers d tbe whole of tbe Forth Test. ?!! ldt>XDS ?t The whole question has arisen thi; %*$6, Ht9 Kelsons asked you to what particular olaia this evidence roletod. and you said to the district allowance. Sfi. lillVERi Tbe whole drift generally, but 1 should say teat there are dlenbilltles ftsooclatod with Bluing at the nttenooa Ootg* thrt would sot be experienced In the Cold Hitting I^jjatry or for thnt natter in any other Metalliferous ninlog industry that 1 know of. Z n&y there are disabilities peculiar t* this particular Industry. 1 &gre very readily that we here been y&xbsps s little timid ca tbe question of district allowances. THE PKrtXtSffTs tet on whatever basis you put tbe district allowance it wet be on allowance payable to all persons conrouly throughout the district chorea* tbe evidence thet Pr. Renter baa wiven is 1& respect to a disability ettsebed Xn 9 certain class of work. In other words s household st tae hotel does net suffer fro* the sees disability tbet b*r. Hunter in talking rbeut, and it occurs to y tbr.t it would be wore logics! to refer this disability to n particular wargln than to tbe people working. 2.1!. CLXYrR* Perbrrs ny annwtr to Vy. J^remis wnw r. little unfortunate. ..........' ................... ..... !SU DtYISttt V*u *elated it tu tbe clola In general. tm. T.Trrpp. would corer 1L. ***!* It wools cover the clain for hours. 1 should ssy that the ujestlon fo uiseblllty should be related to the olein generally. here not given sufficient attention to removing this disability and perhaps we ore to blsae forthat* Produced In the matter of Asbestos Personal Injury Clin C c i c f liH. crrVJs* I <so not think this in relevant beenuee yog cannot Uiy & cua into 'longer, Mvi if tills is dtngcTOus to sorters it bculd be corrected and we should not give t- **rn core noney to *ork under unhealthy conditions. Under no cireuaataicea would I ecy th&t this evidence la relevant to anything in the cl:<le I bare no further t&eetlons. 7 (The Tltneen withdrew). V'.** CLIv?jij Tbere ere cevorol nstters tbt enue out of tbe evidence Hire*1 ^7 t*r* Hunter that in ny opinion require correction. Z do n'-'t know whether Z can ntke a otstesent froe where Z an. or whether to take tbe oath, tut T do went to arke c ctatoumt end Z res prepared to tinke it on onth. Tilt r^'UX'JrnT* Something *ld by your own witness. Wi*. r-LX73ti no. '*. c:t! in* I any agree If I know shot it is. KH* PLZf.iHi Z*. is about the diesel locos. X bnvt'fead a lot cf cosplaints about then froa people here sou X on happy to know that Hr. s-oednurst is putting in electrlo locos. X want to say this on tbe question of Ur. jl^kjbs, the district Inspector of Uines for thlo ulatrlct that he was very ctrrful of how these locoBOtives were to be introduced into tbe ainlug inxuatry, and he denies any knowledge of recoBnendlng tbe use of diesel locos for Slttenooa Gorge. TH PH^ntdRnTt Is Hr. *.*# located In Perth? U i. GUV..*: n\9 office is at Cue. T2!S P<t*n2.*>;Ts Joes he ro down to Perth very ouch? V . r'JtfrSit J could not sty. ?3!S r'iwI.JT.IfTi This is evidence on which you r-.nlly wont to cell Ur. /4tui# . !** '* ri.IV-.'a Tbtt la why X wsnt to aw-'fce atetanent on onth. ?5IS p:i?~ITTE?s nhr.t Ur. d^twie tello you oot of Court uoes not help us. M. r-LT7r?| no. v*t. C'n *jj **/ul*j it brl:> if we pro.mcoi the reports Jf.tcr on. *`e ccul-l do thHt. VH. r 'Jl'i:}.>% 1 an not concerned with Pr. Lloyd, but I do question Hr. *in# tocetMe he w s vary careful as to how they were Introduced bec&us* he knew th-.t the U,,ion wr.e opposed to ----- 'toe nee ojKeTground. TliS l.{32nsRTt `Jt+ he scy he b?:d any knowledge of the use of tueal ir*U oxXY2*t He denied *4iy knowledge of bt>w they cane to he introduced ut slttenooa Gorge* He uiu urt coooent on their uses underground ait be did Oeny th>,t he bfcd played buy pert in their introduction. '  -I ,, !C 1. <t r ( v X 3iK lien thlc7 r-Lt7 p| it follow*.! b visit of sine to ulttenoow noma seme 14 or 25 eontbo *;ro. THE ?HSSI32KTi C.n you cle-.r thin t for ttailn Perth? LH, pLTVK?^ /eccr.ilnx to *47 instructions Ur, a,joits was on the question of tto*e diesels, Va, x am instructed that H*. A**** inspected then fcucut the alidle of lest year *n4 reloed no objection to their u-.o TH PRLSZnftTt IUd lie inspected thru previously? k-U C3ftTJs Te* end 2 underetend that it was his report thee the Sinister gave the peauits through V*. Toxzll, However we will produce the whole set up os to bow they were permitted* THE 7i\Z'M32Ti Whet do you sty Ur* A'jeno SfcldX Ki** PLirsai 2 w saying this that on ay enquiring of Vr. -tdt&s how this .vysteti was introduced to Vlttenooa Gorge - npd j stde tnls st^teswnt to bin \ 2 said * It oust bare been et your recoisicndntion thet they vert introduced there** Bnv he deuied til ksowltcqe of aeklng tny statement that dlce-ls locos should be used et Vlttenoon douse* He arid they were not Introduced on bis rccoanend'itlon* JiH, kctrSTTAj Pfculdbe er your be confused with the origisd introduction, but since then be bno been inspecting then on swverul occasions, Ha* PLX?:iJU X wit to be careful i.bout tbht, Tbewe locos tr.we e:n used rt Vlttawon (Sor^e for woce yeuru mri vtrn I juestin.?d H* Atirits tbout their initirl introduction - I u* well evr-rc tht ho inspeeteu the isluen on sew-r;l occrnlone since oi.rht not bnve protested t oil, though we cu t nrinn renditinjii.lly protested -- Ttjf t* st.'STTt men were these diesel locos first u*tH? ?-* it prior to the present coepsny inking over* V , CLI nnt T?o, the present cotpfaiy ere the only ontn vr.o bc.re itiirouucei longe wining o^cnloery, TiiX nx JttT* Prior to using tbo diesel locos they would neve to cv;in prreiosicn freti the k^ncs ^pertnent, M* otj /IJii They b:d to o'utr.ln peruiunion to use thm in the luitl; 1 nvw?es Iron ve S^nee OAPvrtecnt, Tils ?K::*rl iiffTi o they attained penslssion previously? UJU Coat:?* Tee remit wan cii'nod by Ur* Pvnton who o the kinistcr r.nd the whole setter t oo fully dlcusse<i with 3/t fossil At the tin*, Sines then h*sd they been objecilonMl* or litjurerous it w>-s hr* A*fw*3 job to condesin them r-nd lie hns epprovsd >ppi!rently on every occasion because be has nevr condemsd then, v.nr.z'r ti Z ?*tb"rci frow tbe* eviderxs rf ::^..tr th*.t 4uout 2 yftrs s^a he conleenel toco *-nd a*-ii tbht they mould not &e ua*i 14^1 then Hr* C^ows ceoos-eantBine'J him end he i tost subsequent to that Inspector Aims insoected, <t? ,v"3 it t`r* Lloyd, *.nd they both rsjmrte^ fevourr.fcly* <V03! k:i. ciJTynj J think 1*r. Xante* night hi've e.l bio vor.;* & olt ioonely* when be >:id they reported fcvour-uiy. )j;i* C.umhj Ur* I.lcyd dftfihltely reported ftvoun.bly, . nd kr tile not report uufivurLly# lie rtl 1 net condeen then. TiE. 01#17~!^ X on augmenting to tue Court tbet If there :o * pcmlt issued by the governing council on the reconsendntir.n of eoeecne X nunoiie thlse gen telewen would not like to report r.iecroely. THE PHrSirShTt That 111 their Job. Prt. OLX?>T*t Cf course It is. tils PilznXTJOtTj It they are going to *ny tbet beemoe % pernit ti4 issued several years ego they ore not going to report unf.-vour-bly they ire not carrying out their Job. VH. ohlTErt* 2 do not thiuk they ere carrying out their Job. kH. O'VX^Jj That raise* wmtber point. T,,u n&vc lx ft long experience In nines. kH. PLI'/Efti 7e>* fcH. DA72X"x If a sorkntn*8 Inspector condcifin none practice a a nine and reconends tbet tbet practice be discontinued uoea It sutoaetloally follow that tbe bend of tbe department will recocatend it to tbe V^niatry that bis approve! be given to it* disoontlnusnoe. WU tami k0. IK-W n/lrAt lrr. /uece la not * workawi** inspector, but *n Injector of einea end if be node n recossendfetirn to the beM cf the wnee a^iurtneot ttPt e certain practice should 'Jt discontinues, does it necessarily fellow tbet tbe deportment would recfuuiend tfat the approval of tbe v^ni iter be given to Its discontinuance. P1!. ''LIT?* ?o, not nccss>:rily ns it would oti'12 ee *t the desc.-ction of too l^ni iter subject to toe ?uvic* ni the State v^nin* Ta*in*r. Irtt. Cr*ild thin situation orloe tbtl the mineo Injector , end vovfcr'i:** inspector could stoke a report yet despite tbftt report trie Chief lining Engineer could nuike r. report rccoc&e&ilQg ,, oaetaing entirely different to tbe Pinixter r.n tbe vnitat would approved jv-b ^uIV^.s Sgretly, that it shut could happen. The wtr.teuent I wx.kit la tills tb:.t kr. A4r.ua ea metric* Inspector of sines is toe proper person to r.*ke toy r*ctccQU**tion ii; connection wltr. tru work In? of the nines up here because be i* continually inspecting tUcwand kiir/w* *12 toe tmlngs on; and 1 scy thst it la wrong of the depertisent to go over bis bead end recontsend .nyt&ltu? tbot be bee not approved of. Xt follows that having recotueetvied it and Allowed the thing .to be put into operr.tlon .. ... X tsiak kr. p^^tss would be very adverse about -iolng cnytblng cout tnct. >fter all be 1* only a Depr.rtcoutftl rfficer. TUE i *au you soy tbf-t you unieratr^i tee coepcny wkw goin4 to - pproHOU tceue witb eluctrlo locoe* m9 r.Lirat %o^dhurat sent ue into boundless Joy yeeterdey cy saying tbftt be was introducing electric Ipooo,. and if t&f-t 1* a. ucrtTBi x0i bn 5WESOi.d9. Produced In the matter of Aibeitoe Personal Injury Cues; Abrams teed & copied to brought auout It will clarify the whole position* UR* CiWJdf f.r v.a the omsp^cy in concerned the ileselo rill not be re^*xed but the ne* locomotives vlll be electrio* TUT# i*KR!iZ"tfIiTt Are they obtclnnble tncoe cnyoT ){. CUO.T3J They hove been on order now for oeverel nonthn. Hit* 3A/IF.JH 2* their use contingent on the conplctlon of the uev power hcuoeT CStnnst I. There is one other point tbnt I would like to neks, f.n-1 that la thr.t it Is not possible for tbo t^neo Apartment Inspector to (rot around to every cine to soon eo toey going to put in ns* equlnnent and authorise it to the nines department, The Union ere Interned ebout It end then If anything Is wrong with it tbo Irenes I-npectrr een don:tenn it* Kc o.n stop tbeSiole nine Immediately* or sny eculpsent inaedletely If be thinks there Is anything wrong or d*ngerouo rbout it* On the ( other hand he say merely advise the oerpeny to discontinue Its use as ooto es possible* Z do not etfree with )iT* Olivers suggestion tb*t teoauae s thing hss been approved down In Perth by the v4Ulster that the inspector would be frightened to condenn it# < THE VRSniXETt That was only congesture on T* Oylver*o part* P: K3* CR03IU Tn9 they stopped the whole mill &t tines* HR* D-`/IS3t Perbaoe It is not so material now but Z think you know, as car.y otbrr people know that It has always been chanted against the W^nes Oepartnent of Western Australia that whilst they are experts In Gold Kinlng they are not eac>erts in say other form of mining carried on in Western Australis* ( UX+ C.to:v^ Po Z do not know that, end as far as the !/<ne* *VpaTt>ent is conce.ned this s?cws to hive developed into la a royal commission ou the P,ues 3*?crtsent and we will find out *.11 too ur.tters we c*n. ( iLcu.nn^H iicBrJtTit cocpr3t*nwoTn. SZM'XK&a IC> CLXffRt EbQt la your occupation 7-- Hess bend rr.d cook* How lon-f have you been employed ns 7 rjce iv;ck cn the l?tb* 1`i.tcL last nycco?ork* roIdfcgnen nheerrael cfreosms Phrnyndt*- to .)#cerr.bcr* X wmt yen tc tell )!<ff !*nr.our whrt your renditions of m*nloyncnt .r#, tho hours 700 workr.i `n-*i the rites you eve ptid 7-- A* the present tlwe Z everrge Ilf bvurs per dry for * o. r# per `week end keep* Vfcr.t do 70U value the keep at 7-- T do not know nt the present 'time* but. ^.ye&ra rgo Itvwa rnte-1 t 1* 6* 64* per week* JparJ la 35/~ 7-- Y-s, but there is s rate. applicable to I'esa Rud4 but Whatever It cry be here I do not know* THE f*ft> -X.&nT: fbeae 11* hours per dry can you give me any lutfc how ti*f*y would be worked* for lnotauce frou warn to when 7-- /ron a gu:rter to five to a writer to two* * _* T&ere Is no break during toe morning at ell7-- o^ly to run down *" UeK,V6 or u *&&&' ou It ct tb rr^Jcnt tine* 1 can only quote what it wee r.tcri rt 2 y*: to ego. Cf rae the taste wag* has gone up 1 In 2 yrnra T-- 1 re well r**re nf ttr.t* It looks <tt toe noaent as if you job along during# tbe water* dey end hove no regular fixed tine* It la no jogging along nt all, It is nil riot out* (Tbe Mtnesa withdrew) u;?, CTtn*Mt X *a instructed that tbo neso hhnls fcw not uployed ty tbe conpeny* and that In foot a contract catering w* company has guaranteed tbe aess at tbe aooent nnd therefore the wages ere being paid toy tbe coopany on behalf of tbe centrr.ot* tout if It will suit Pr* Oliver we are prepared to Bake en agreement wltb bin on behalf of tbe caterer* TUX pnsnirjnrr* A,e you Instructed to act for tbe cr.tercr* PR, CP'nij x an lnfomed tbst It would be quite ell right* Under tboae circumstances X think that ee tbe conpany le not tbe actual employer they could not cone Into tble sward* tout vo are quite prepared to enter into an egreeaent to cover ttea* Tbst le the practice in other pieces* TST !r*TTKrfj r*on that point of vie-? It le certeinly clear that if tbr caterer Is the noployer of these people then toey cannot be Included In this particular award which binds only tbe company, but there should be no difficulty in arriving at an Industrial agreement on which one oy call the usual b&slA so far F-3 t'r* Cooper and his fellow workers ever there are concerned* X viuld street tb'-t you end l'r. Cross get to?>tber an-: try r7ii findloe the te-ns of an *greesent wltb tae ctual rigat to refer to us If you cannot starve on enytblsg* r;,jvr:it are quite prepared to negotiate an sgreenent vii i-". cross* tout we want to ue clearly understood Is ta.t tnls oecr;lng bouse* and even sn hotel are asnedrted with the industry ef producing asbestos at ^ttenooa Corgs* id we were aware ttr..t the condltlono of euployaeat In so the catering iu.uitry ore entirely different to tbe conditions in producing fcsoe^tos* X do not tnlnk it would toe wise to have It in the taa-.tftoa kwotu Itself* tout whet we do want to nakc cults cle&Y is tb^t re utfJOclFto the Industry nf catering at rlttenooo Sorgo wito to* lnasatry of producing asbestos* In feet we soy it Is pert of the Industry* end we feel taut we ebouli erue'vcur to get aoise industrial coverage so ao to ensure th t these workers ere properly treated* T5ig tM-r.I -PT* x vke 11 your constitution is ..rord rnougb to cover these workers* :k. fJLXV't-i X think our constitution Is wide enough to cower anything. hr?. C:tcr:sj have sxoalued that In other plrcea *r.d e agree that thl3 entering la part of the Industry* TUX pgg*x "Tfn The only objection that could be relsei would be to, aaothw? ttiou* end until sene other -%ep iu *u tries to run ts you are prepared to cover tfteu. t vh. rUT-Ti X io not wit to close ny cnee at this ntrge In case X would like to oil none further evidence In rrtb* . >>. 91 T\ t tn net* |u <NjrtU4i^ iurtuei; u ) wt# ^CVWIT jm, ttTfcOflSj ro, i f. P^irer b uetlt wito'tft* vhol ttt* ViT!fMT4 The &= to *y Unlon C/.nt ATJWimJKl TO TtflTO TO A &tz to ax msa. Produced Asbestos Pinertshoenam} aInttjeurryofCases; Abrams lead & copied to Richard F. Scruggs. \ . v f l 92 - H udkooptoi I