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DATE 1970-1971 DOC JMA023
DOCUMENT DESCRIPTION Meeting Minutes - Asbestos Cement
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ASBESTOS CEMENT PRODUCTS ASSOCIATION
November 19 1970
A meeting of the members of the Health and Safety
Council of the Asbestos Cement Products Association was held
pursuant to notice at the Biltmore Hotel in New York New York on November 19 1970 at 2 P.M. The following persons
were present
J. A. Main
S. E. Monoky H. R. Mesler Jr. J. V. Magee
C. L. Sheckler
A. H. Fay
K. F. Netter
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L. A. Tobey
B. Walls
Health and Safety Council Certain Products Corp. GAF Corporation Manville Sales Corp. Manville Sales Corp. National Gypsum Company Supradur Corporation of New York Supradur Corporation of New York United States Gypsum Company Burns Van Kirk Jube & Kafer
The meeting was called to order by the Chairman
Mr. James A. Main
The minutes of the meeting of the Council held on May 19 1970 were approved as distributed to the members of
the Council
Mr. Walls presented the financial statement for the period March 1 1970 through November 18 1970. A copy of
this report is attached to these minutes and made a part hereof
The financial statement was approved as submitted
Mr. Main reported that 10,000 copies of the Recommended Practices brochure had been printed One thousand copies were sent to each member company and 2,000 copies were sent to the Secretary for distribution upon request Mr. Main observed that
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greater emphasis is continuing to be made in public media on the problems of lung health and exposure to massive doses of asbestos He noted that the U.S. Senate had passed the Job Safety Bill and that continued proposals are being made to amend various municipal codes in this area The public remains aroused on all subjects touching upon environment and Mr. Main exhibited to the Council recent newspaper clippings attesting this public interest Copies of these newspaper clippings are
attached to these minutes
The Chairman reminded the Council that at the time of
its formation there were two goals to which the Council under-
took to direct its activities The first goal was to advise the public that asbestos cement products in place and under
normal use present no known health risk to the user or to the
general public This goal has been fulfilled in part by the publication of the Recommended Practices brochure The second goal of the Council is to promote health and safety in those plants manufacturing asbestos cement products and in the environment around such plants including stack emissions and pollution Mr. Main noted that since the creation of this Council Atlantic Asphalt & Asbestos had withdrawn from the manufacture of asbestos cement products and that Philip Carey and Cement Asbestos Products Company had resigned from the Council Mr. Main distributed
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copies of the Insulation Hygiene Progress Report Vol 2 No. 2 Summer 1970 and Partnership for Prevention - the Insulation Industry Hygiene Research Program by Dr. Irving J. Selikoff reprinted from Vol 38 No. 3 Industrial Medicine and Surgery These publications indicate how rapidly public concern is growing
in the areas to which this Council is dedicated
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RECOMMENDED PRACTICES BROCHURE
Mr. Main asked the representative of each company attending the meeting to report on the distribution and use by his company of the brochure published by this Council on Recommended Practices for Fabricating Handling and Applying Asbestos Cement Products in the Building and Construction Industries The members reported as follows
GAF At this time the Building Products Division will not dis-
tribute the brochure The Industrial Products Division
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executives are now considering the brochure and their decision
on distribution is awaited
Certain The brochure is now awaiting approval of the
Executive Vice President of Certain In Mr. Monoky's preliminary opinion the brochure would probably not be distributed among employees in the factory but might be distributed
in the field
Manville The brochure has been distributed to all M _
plants manufacturing asbestos cement products to all key production personnel to salesmen and to applicators and dis-
tributors engaged in the fabrication of asbestos cement products
In Mr. Magee's opinion the brochure has been well received Mr. Magee also noted that M has imprinted cautionary labels which are being inserted on each interleafing sheet of asbestos cement sheets manufactured by M A copy of this label is
reproduced and attached to these minutes
Mr. Sheckler remarked that M includes copies of the
brochure whenever it files material safety data sheets M also encloses copies of the brochure when writing general bulletins to customers Copies of the brochure are sent to other safety organizations and to governmental departments such as the Department of Labor and Health Education and Welfare whenever inquiries are received about asbestos A copy of the brochure has been sent to the magazine Asbestos and may conceivably be published by that magazine No other magazines in the building field have as yet received the brochure The con-
sensus of the members was that the brochure should not be sent
to magazines at this time
U.S. Gypsum Mr. Tobey reported that the brochure is being considered by those executives of U.S.G. responsible for safety practices Mr. Tobey doubted that precautionary labels would be used on shingles He stated that although asbestos is used in wall board joint compounds the fiber amount so used is below the acceptable threshold limit
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attached to these minutes Mr. Schwarz reported that he has had no requests as yet for copies of the brochure Mr. Schwarz
also stated that no distribution of the brochure has been made
to production personnel of Supradur
Philip Carey - Cement Asbestos Products Company The Secretary
Mr. Walls was asked to ascertain from these companies what steps if any they were taking in the distribution of the brochure
National Gypsum Mr. Fay reported that each account of NG using
asbestos cement in industrial application cooling towers greenhouse manufacturers etc. has been contacted personally by
members of the NG sales force These customers have received copies of the brochure No brochures have been sent to the general public nor to dealers or applicators because it is NG's position that the brochure is not applicable to them
It was noted that various research organizations have inquired about health hazards of asbestos cement products and have been sent copies of the brochure It was the opinion of
the members that the matter of distribution and use of the
brochure should be examined at the next meeting of the Council
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The members discussed their experience currently being marketed Mr. Sheckler reported .. perience with the following respirators
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Mine Safety Appliance Dustfoe No. 77 Mine Safety Appliance Dustfoe No. 66
Wilson Monomask
American Optical R3000 Series American Optical R9100T Beehive Type
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It was noted that the Beehive Type respirator does not have a replaceable filter and is regarded as being an expensive disposable respirator
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Mr. Sheckler stated that new disposable filters for - respirators are coming or will shortly come on the market
Some of these can be purchased for 1.50 each Disposables
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are being produced by American Optical and will soon be produced by the Welsh Company Mr. Sheckler volunteered to bring samples
of the various respirators to the next meeting He also noted that M is conducting a program at McGill University to study the efficacy of respirators to filter asbestos fiber It was his hope that a further report could be made at the next meeting of
the Council
LABELING ASBESTOS CEMENT PRODUCTS
The members discussed experiences to date on the
labeling of asbestos cement products The following reports
were received GAF does not presently use a cautionary label
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on rigid siding or corrugated asbestos cement sheets M does label thermal insulation products containing asbestos thermal insulation cements containing asbestos and asbestos fibers It
is expected that cautionary labels will be used on asbestos
cement flat sheets in the near future M does not label its
shingles or siding or corrugated asbestos cement sheet or
cement pipe It is the policy of M to label only those
that may pose health and safety hazards
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Mr. Fay reviewed with the Council the Asbestos Information Committee America By way of preface he stated that
the Health and Safety Council had been formed with five objectives
in mind the first was medical research It was decided that
such research could best be handled by QAMA The second objective was public relations At the time of the formation of the Council it was felt that it was not appropriate for the Council to under-
take such aprogram The third objective was the exchange of
information among asbestos cement manufacturers The Council has
attempted to keep manufacturers up to date with the most recent information in the area of health and safety The fourth objec-
tive was the study and resolution of internal plant problems The Council has encouraged mutual aid among its members in the identification and resolution of such problems The fifth
objective was the improvement of the relationship cement producers and asbestos cement users Part tive has been achieved through the publication of
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Mr. Fay stated that the public relations objective has developed in importance because of increased publicity about asbestos hazards which has been generated by consumer protection advocates politicians and some scientists Mr. Fay stressed two points first the true facts about asbestos are often ignored Second there is a great lack of understanding of these facts among the public Because of these facts in-
dustry members felt that a public relations program should be explored
To that end a meeting of ten manufacturing companies
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wasAsbestos Information Committee America For several years
there has existed an Asbestos Information Committee in the United
AN Kingdom This Committee has tried to utilize public relations
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asbestos products It was felt that a North American committee
could be founded on lines similar to the Committee of the United
Kingdom A prospectus has been prepared for the AIC and it
was discussed in November at a meeting of ten companies manu-
facturing asbestos products Some of those companies attending
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GAF Philip Carey Raybestos
Woodward Iron and National
prospectus a .- Gypsum Acopy of the
discussed at that meeting is
attached to these minutes
The program for the AIC would be a broad one en-
compassing many products utilizing asbestos such as brake Linings textiles flooring siding roofing etc. The program of the
Committee will be fundbyeM d for the year 1971in theamount for of150,000 It isanticipated that funding succeeding years
a shared in mutually agreed manner by all member companies
The Committee has retained the public relations firm of Hill and
Knowlton which has prepared the public relations program for
the AIC
Mr. Fay reported that the AIC has been effectively
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The Council considered the relationship between it and
the AIC The initial consensus was that the Health and Safety Council can work in areas where the AIC cannot The Council
can continue to focus its efforts on problems peculiar to asbestos
cement products and can continue to act as a conduit for mutual
aid and information It was noted that the Asbestos Textile
Institute and the National Insulation Manufacturers Association
also support health and safety committees It was felt that the Health and Safety Council might become part of a larger group
dedicated to health and safety Thus QAMA might stress programs in medical research AIC might focus upon public relations and
the Health and Safety
channel their efforts their resolution
Council together with to industry health and
ATI and NIMA might safety problems and
It was noted that AIC will have as Chairman
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to prepare position papers on Asbestos and the General Public
and Asbestos and Human Health
It was the opinion of the members that the AIC
would supplement other existing groups but would not replace them As far as the Health and Safety Council is concerned there remain significant problems in the construction and building .
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industries These problems must be resolved and the resolutions are more likely to be worked out within this Council The public relations support for the resolutions to such problems would
more properlliye within the sector of the AIC
DEVELOPMENTS
At the request of the Chairman Mr. Sheckler reported on developments subsequent to the meeting on May 19th
Mr. Sheckler noted that the Environment Protection Administration
had promulgated interim orders governing the spraying on New York City construction sites of any insulation material con-
taining asbestos There is a proposal to include these interim orders in the revised New York City Building Code It is understood that the Corporation Counsel of the City of New York is of the opinion that the Environmental Protection Administration
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has no authority to promulgate these orders It is expected however that the City Council will take legislative action
toward revising the New York City Building Code
use of appear
It was noted that the Code if amended would ban the asbestos as a spray Under the proposed Code it would
that duct and duct liners must be coated It is also
possible that the Code will be interpreted to mean that coating is required on the plenum side of ceiling tile The ramifica-
tions of the proposed Code are not clear and are being checked out by NIMA There is considerable uncertainty whether the Code !'.
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will affect the use of asbestos cement products in the City of New York because upon the demolition of buildings in which such
products are used these products would be exposed to the air
It is argued therefore that all asbestos cement products might
conceivably be banned under the Code in light of the fact that
they may ultimately be broken up and exposed to the air upon
demolition of buildings It is not certain what position the
sprayed insulation group will take with reference to this Code
proposal but all developments are being watched by that group
as well as by NIMA
Mr. Sheckler stated that in connection with prospective>
revision of the New York City Building Code and of other building codes that he might be called upon to testify at hearings on
such revisions He asked that in the event he is called upon
to present such testimonhye be entitled to speak in the name
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RESOLVED that Mr. Sheckler be and hereby is authorized
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cement products are being or may be reviewed in connec-
tion with the revision of or drafting of building codes
NEW THRESHOLD LIMIT VALUES
Mr. Sheckler reported that new Threshold Limit Values will be prepared It is his understanding that the new TLV's will be 5 fibers per cubic milliliter of air 5 microns and
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above 5 up to 10 fibers for 15 minute intervals in any one hour
not to exceed 5 intervals in one day This proposed TLV was reported by Dr. Cralley of the Public Health Service to Mr. Sheckler When copies of the new American Conference of Governmental
Industrial Hygienists threshold limits are available they will
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Mr. Sheckler reported that a conference is being called to explore hazards in the shipyards and shipbuilding industries This conference will concern asbestos products The National Insulation Manufacturers Association has been invited to participate and Mr. Sheckler will also attend
Mr. Sheckler reported that he has been working on a series of pamphlets designed to educate employees on health risks and safety practices in conjunction with the use of toxic materials Presentations from these pamphlets will be made by plant managers to union committees and any other media advising and counselling employees at the supervisory and manufacturing level The response to this pamphlet series to date has been enthusiastic
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ELECTION OF MR SHECKLER
The meeting discussed the election of a new chairman to
succeed Mr. Main Mr. Sheckler was asked if he would consider
the chairmanship He advised the meeting that his workload was
so extensive that he could not accept such a chairmanship unless
it be limited to aperiod of six months and unless Mr.
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Upon motion duly made seconded and unanimously
carried it was
RESOLVED that Mr. Sheckler be and hereby is elected
Chairman of this Council to serve as such for the
next six months and that Mr. Main be and hereby is elected to serve as Executive Secretary of this
Council for the next six months
Mr. Sheckler assumed the chair and asked the following members for reports to be presented at the next meeting
Mr. Monoky - a report on occupational and community environmental
control
Mr. Mesler - a report on medical and physical plant programs
Mr. Fay - a report on public relations liaison with AIC
Messrs Magee and Schwarz - a report on the effects of adverse
information on marketing and sales
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programs
on medical and engineering scientific
It was decided that the next meeting of the Council
shall be called for Tuesday February 23 1971
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Respectfully submitted
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HEALTH & SAFETY COUNCIL
Financial Statement
March 1 1970 W November 18 1970
Balance as of March 1 1970
INCOME
Reimbursement for February 17 meeting
$ 172.26
Reimbursement for May 19 meeting
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3,840.00
EXPENSES
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Dues
Administration
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$ 339.22
100.00
1,666.61
1,126.64
Balance as of November 18 1970
$ 771.17
4,180.98 4,952.15
3,232.47
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The Health and Safety Council of the Asbestos Products Association
has prepared a booklet entitled Recommended Practices for Fabricating Handling and Applying Asbestos Products in the Building and Con-
struction Industries Free copies of this booklet are available upon
request ROOFINGS
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this booklet concerns itself primarily with items SIDINGS we would like to bring to your attention
other than
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Lewis J.Cralley Ph.D. Director Division of Epidemiology and Special Services Bureau of Occupational Safety and Health Department of Health Education and Welfare Cincinnati Ohio in his paper Identification and Control of Asbestos Exposures presented at the XVI International Congress on Occupational Health Tokyo states
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Special precaution should be taken to prevent exposure to asbestos fibers when they are handled in a loose unbound form Such oper-
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asbestos is firmly bound with other materials vinyl asbestos tile plastics cement products etc. except when these materials are reshaped or are diminuted and the fibers may become uncoated free and released through friction destruction and the like
and Dr.Irving J.Selikoff Director of the Division of Environmental Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City is quoted in the April 2,1970 Record copyright McGray Inc. rights reserved
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use In addition I enclose a copy of the Council's brochure
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tries . GAF paid for 1,000 of these pamphlets This brochure
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The consensus of the Health & Safety Council appears to be that shingles siding corrugated sheets and piping do not require labels Loose or bagged asbestos fibers do require labels Flat sheets are labeled by some because there is greater chance that such sheets may be extensively fabricated often in considerable volume and in a relatively enclosed area
The Asbestos Cement Products Association has not published
any ruling on placing caution notices on all products containing
asbestos but the enclosures reflect quite accurately I think what the consensus is in the asbestos cement manufacturing industry Perhaps the hard work of the Health & Safety Council should be publicized a little more among the member companies
Incidentally I personally prefer M's caution notice to yours The CAF notice is far more frightening Observe what it states 1 product contains asbestos fiber 2 inhalation .. may be harmful This almost suggests that you should not breathe when you are near asbestos fiber The question is inhalation of what air or dust Answer is dust I think you should mention
dust before you refer to inhalation
There will be a meeting of the Health & Safety Council in New York at the Biltmore Hotel 11 A.M. Tuesday February 23rd You might wish to attend and bring Mr. Carter Please advise
I hope this letter is of some help to you
free to call if you need further information
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Gentlemen
A meeting of the Health & Safety Council has been called for TUESDAY FEBRUARY 23rd at the Hotel Biltmore New York City
The meeting will convene in Suite D at 11:00 A.M.
Luncheon will be served
Because we must guarantee a certain number of luncheons
please advise me if you plan to attend by signing and returning the
enclosed form as soon as possible
The Preliminary Agenda is as follows
1. Financial Report
2. Budget and Funding
3. Report on occupational and community environmental control Mr. Monoky
4 Report on medical and physical plant programs Mr. Mesler
5 Report on public relations liaison with AIC Mr. Fay
6 Report on effects of adverse information on marketing Messrs Magee and Schwarz
7 Report on medical and engineering scientific programs
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Mr. Shackler
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Yours sincerely
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February 8 1971
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TO
Representatives and Principals of the Health & Safety Council
Gentlemen
The meeting of the Health & Safety Council ACPA has been postponed to Friday February 26 1971 at the Biltmore Hotel New York city at 11 A.M.
Please acknowledge by telephone as soon as possible
Yours sincerely
BW
Secretary
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