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MR. R. M. WALTER - LAW minutes Cc- t A . \bdlJjk*' - *>A/tfJzZ 0 ' "' AD HOC TASK FORCE ON FLUOROCARBON BLOWING AGENTS URETHANE DIVISION JUN ^ & 6 MARKERT SPI Offices 355 Lexington Avenue New York, New York May 6, 1980 RECEIVED 10:00 a.m. JUN 4 80 Summary fit lit WALTER 1) The April 1, 1980 meeting with EPA end the indicating in the fell they will proposers)] 1979 level were discussed. V> 15, 1980 statement by EPA c^ion celling of CFCs at the 2) L. Zwolinski. Allied position paper o rp., will chair a subcommittee to draft production celling. 3) G. Reynolds, Jim Halter Research Corp,, will chair a subcommittee to explore various legal atrategles In opposing the proposed ceiling. 4) L. Freeman will arrange a meeting with the American Refrigeration Institute and the Single Service Institute to coordinate our activities. He will also begin contacting and informing the Washington representatives of member companies. Attendance A. E. Donaldson, Union Carbide Corp., 1 University Plaza, Hackensack, NJ 07601, Chairman James H. Chapman, Mobay Chemical Corp., Penn Lincoln Parkway West, Pittsburgh, PA 15205. * William C. Darr, nbbay Chemical Corp., Penn Lincoln Parkway West, Pittsburgh, PA 15205. James C. Flanders, Union Carbide Corp., 270 Park Avenue, New York, NY 10017. J. R. Hagan, Jim Halter Reaearch Corp., 10301 Ninth Street North, St. Petersburg, PL 33702. Gene P. Laughlin, Pemxvalt Corp., 3 Parkway, Philadelphia, PA 19102. Terry L. Moore, Dow Chemical U.S.A., Texas Division, B-1608, Freeport, TX 77541. William R. Proops, Vitco Chemical Corp., 900 Wilmington Road, New Castle, DE 19720. 1 H. Gerald Reynolds, Jim Walter Research Corp., 1500 North Dale Mabry Highway, Tampa, FL 33622. . : Charles G. Snoek, The Upjohn Co., `7000 Portage Road, Kalamazoo, MI 49001. r Herman Stone, Temeco Chemicals, Valmont Industrial Park, West Hazleton, PA 18201. \ John L. Stowell, E. X. du Post de Nemours 6 Co., Public Affairs Department, l Wilmington, DE 19898. i Richard B. Ward, E. I. du Pont de Nemours & Co., N9525, Wilmington, DE 19898. f, Leon M. Zwollnskl, Allied Chemical Corp., 20 Peabody Street, Buffalo, NY 14210. BFS 0021 S3 2- - Staff Attending Lew Freeman, SPI, 1724 H Street, N.W., Washington, DC 20006. J, Eugene McLoughlin, Hill & Knowlton, Inc., 633 Third Avenue, New York, NY 10017. H. P. Toner, SPI, 355 Lexington Avenue, New York, NY 10017, Assistant Technical Director. 1) H. P. Toner reviewed the April 1 meeting with EPA. He noted his overall observation was that the EPA personnel acknowledged their inexperience and unfamiliarity with the use of CFCs in urethanes and were eager to beJ^ue^ted. He also noted that S, Weil (EPA) indicated that EPA w^ld^>e7purtft)lr-^/ahjrategy of a production ceiling on CFCs based_an aoae (^d^^rmwWd yeylkBproOTCtion. Weil also indicated that Gordon Olsen woufidrbft pnc^^iJsng the^continuing leadership for the EPA task force for fluorocarbo*^r^Jlation. It was noted that at the conference in Oslo, Norway, Barbara Blum of EPA, Deputv Administrator of EPA, announced that EPA would be proposing the production ceiling on CFCs using 1979 as a base year (copy attached). G. Reynolds referred to the letter that had been sent to industry by S. Jellinek also indicating that this was a strategy that EPA would be pursuing (copy attached). Reynolds further noted that in the Jellinek letter there was a suggestion that in future regulations exemptions might be allowed for certain uses such as refrigeration. This was taken as an indication of two things: 1) EPA does have an open mind towards exemptions for essential uses; and 2) the refrigeration people have done their homework and made their case with the Agency. L. Freeman indicated that he had been contacted by the American Refrigeration Institute (ARI) and the Single Service Institute (SSI) as to the desirability of coordinating all our efforts. It was agreed in general that this should be done. 2) There was a general discussion of whether our ''essentiality" position paper addresses the questions raised at the meeting with EPA or the issues which will evolve from EPA's decision to regulate production. It was noted that perhaps in a subsequent paper we need to develop to a greater extent the trade-offs involved in using alternative materials. It was also noted that subsequent position papers or; documents needed to be focused toward three different audiences. First, the education of EPA; second, the education of other than Agency personnel, for example, Congress; and third, documents which will pave the way for a legal challenge, if we get to that point. It was further noted that if either the second or third audiences are to be addressed we must have shown that we have exhausted all possibilities in working with the Agency. In this regard. Lew Freeman reported that he had received a request from EPA to see if we could arrange for a plant visit to & flexible foam operation (following up on the offer R. Stone made at the April 1st meeting with EPA) and also to a rigid foam operation. H. Stone verified his willingness to arrange a plant visit. G. Reynolds indicated that he would check with Celotex management about the possibilities of a plant visit at their Pennsauken, New Jersey site. It was noted that these plant visits should be viewed as educational visits for the EPA personnel and not as visits designed to,negate any interest in recovery and recycle. During the discussion of "educating" EPA it was also noted that data needs to be developed on the cost of CFCs versus demand for rigid insulating foams. This point was raised by EPA in the April meeting. BFS 0021S4 -3 3) Chairman Donaldson noted that the objective of the Committee is to get EPA to defer action until the ongoing studies, which should be completed in several years, are completed and confirm or deny the ozone depletion theory. It was noted that an alternate short-term objective might be to get EPA to choose a year other than 1979. Such a year might allow for further growth of the industry. It was noted that whatever actions were taken to accomplish these objectives ought to be based on the principle of the uncertainty of the ozone depletion theory and the essenti^ityja^ the uses of fluorocarbons for rigid insulating foams and certain flexik^/Koahs&K ^ ZwolfnskiL&i^La^j^.nted chairman of a subcommittee to developL^cPta*ds^<iuant expanokjagibn Wseentiality and uncertainty and explaining why the specific proposal of a production ceiling is unwarranted and what effects it would have on plastic foams. G. Reynolds was appointed to head a task force to develop a document on the various legal strategies which might be employed in fighting the production ceiling. L. Freeman was directed to contact the ARI and SSI to begin discussion of coordination between associations. Freeman was also directed to contact or keep informed the Washington representatives of member companies. 4) The next meeting was set for Tuesday, July 15. The meeting adjourned at 1:00 p.m. Respectfully submitted. Assistant Technical Director HPT/pp Attachments BFS 0021S5