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NOTES OF MY MEET1 NS W TH FDA September 1, 1971
Re: PCB
A$ a result of my understanding, that a large: multi "Government Agency
meeting was to be held at FDA yesterday, i dropped by Dr .WodickaV
office during.the. late afternoon.- The PCB meeting had adjourned andWodicka,
had goim into, a budget meeting. While waiting for Wodicka., Dr. Albert Kolbye
(Wodicka's deputy} asked me to come to his office.. I explained that 1 was waiting
for Wadi eka to determine, v/heitesr there would Ite any public release as a result
of that affernoon V meeting,. Kolbye said that:there v/ould no later tlitat Friday! be
such a release and that..the.- punch line was that the matter was too big for FDA
handling it along . He suggested:that our people be prepared: to a:isv/er inquiries
which may result horn the release on the basis of suggesting the. "good" uses-- the
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"essentialM uses in order to place tho subject in perspective. He understood \vhy I would:
like to have a notice of the release a littl in advance of it being given to the press.
He telephoned.Jack Walden, the public;information;officer, gave him my name and:
telephone twmber ami instructions that Walden call me os. soon as. he felt he could give mo the language.of the release. ICdlbye handed me a 4 -poge paper prepared by
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him and entitled Current Status of Toxilogical Effects of PCB. That material is being
sent to you this morning on the DEX I machine with the understanding that it will be
maintained confidentially and above all that it not be attributed to FDA* Koibye found
it necessary to ask Wodicko for permission to release this paper under these circumstances.
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M Atthat juncturoWodickareturned and we reconvened in hisoffice, Deputy Commlssioneir
? Jlin Grmi was: present as^vralTas another gentleman whoso miinel did not get but'who
contributed nothing but silence to the meeting..
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The long and short or this second meeting, wws that FDA hoped that tl>o Monwmto PCB
experts would be willing, to discuss, the subject* with: FDA --andsdon* A check of the 1
calendar indicated.that Wednesday morning , Scptembor 8 'wok the,besfdate "forsuch a .
meeting. It war;suggested that probably the Commissioner, Dr; Edwards:, would attend;.
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Dr. WocRcka handed: rh sokht questions which are likewise feetng Dexed fids aurnihg le
ypu.. The Hand wiiten notes at fhe bottom of the Qoirm oro miiw and were propounded:
by Dr. Wodiclca.
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NCR wos mentioned by name and: carbonless carbon paper wmreferredto several
times:. I have the distinct feeling that there is peritaps tittle about this subject that
is not IcnawnbylDA andifmy feeling iscarrect, I see nu reason not to meefon
Wednesday (assuming that the proper people can be present) and:severol reasons why
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In my judgement Dr. Kel lyond/or Elmar Whe^ferondBill Po[:x:;rfeorge .>I dbe the; likely attendees on behalf of Monsanto. Dr. Wodi ck or Dr. Kolbyeara (ba contacts and:either can be called directly or we. can. Jramile tlie dekiils tlwougb lbis office.
Kolbye arai VVodicka V tclepiione number is: Area Code 202 - 962-1431
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