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rinutes GENERAL 1 EiiTING Asbestos Textile Institute
June 4, 1965 Le Trovence, Thetford .ines,
Canada
PLAINTIFF'S EXHIBIT
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AMERICAN ASBESTOS TEXTILE CORF. J.W. Weber J.L. Rainey G.S. Fabel J.W. Christenbury Wm. Paaskant D.F. Quealy
ASDESTOS CORPORATION LTD. G.F. Jenkins F.E. LeClerc (A.C.S. Ltd.) E.L. Alexander (A.C.S. Ltd.) W.W. Ought red
M.T.Carson A.L. Penhale G.P.A. Drink N.C. Pharo
BELL ASBESTOS iTMES LTD. G.W. Smith F.T. Smith Wm.J.W. Smith R. Dodds-Hebron Norman L. Darr
CASSIAP. ASDESTOS CORF. J.D. Christian N. Gritzuk T.T. Tigert R. Parson (Ontario Research
Foundation)
ll.u. J.T. J.D. D.E.
PORTER COiTAWY, Griffis icCluer Childers
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RAYBESTOS-i Ai lHATTAi!, J.A. Drown, Jr. L.C. Williams
J.P. Wronski i-'.W. Oliver R.B. Smith J.W. Hawkins
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TALLi AiJ-i .C CLUSKEY FABRICS CO. Ted D. i cCluskey
TURNER i JJEWALL LTD. Bernard Lincoln
U.S. RUBBER COi TANY A.C. Link D.T. Austin, Jr. S.J. Feele, Jr. B.D. Hubbard
J.1I. Wolfsie (Dr.)
DRITISiI BELTING & ASDESTOS LTD. J.L. iitchell
ca;)'vala )ER,wic;l.<rshai' & taft F.Jay Flocken (Legal Counsel )
JOHNS-I'ANVILLE CORT.
W.S. Hough E.A. Schum an V/.C. Atkinson
C.L. Shetkler Dr. K.W. Smith
ASBESTOS TEXT: LE IIISTITITTE H.E. Sun bury (Exec. Secretary)
SOC7ETE A1 .'CHYLE FRAiCAISE DU FERODO iousieur Collineau
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LAKE ASBESTOS OF QUEBEC LTD N.J. liessel E.A. Farrell K.W. Nelson
U.S. PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICE Dr. L.J. Cralley
JOMNS-MANVILLE CO. OP CAi.ADA LTD. i;.IV. Hendry
GUESTS
Karl V. Lindell, Chairman, Canadian Johns-Lanville Co., Ltd.
J.O.Eby,Vice Pres.?: Genl.i gr.,Jeffrey i ine,Can.Johns-i'anvi lie Co.Ltd.
R. Gagnon, Lake Asbestos of "Quebec, Ltd.
L. Tiuze, Nine Ilgr., Lake Asbestos of .Quebec, Ltd.
I ,T. Lessel, President, Lake Asbestos oOfI DJUuecDbecCc,f Litud.
A.L. Penhale, Chairman ft President, Aj3bestos Corporation Ltdw; 0 G.F. Jenkins, Director, Asbestos Carperration Ltd.
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L. iontpetit, Manager, Nicolct Asbestos lines Ltd.
Ivan Sabourin, O.C., Montreal
C.B. Drown, Bell Asbestos Mines Ltd.
J. A.D. Marcotte, Director, Asbestos Corpcration Ltd.
Dr. R.J. Merrill, Mgr., Carey-Canadian Mines Ltd.
F.r. Hodgson, Manager, Flintkote fines Ltd.
M. Lachance, O.A.M.A. Dust Engineer, Thetford Industrial Clinic
R.S. Coleman, Manager, National Asbestos i ines Ltd.
Dr. L.J. Cralley, U.S. Public Health Service, Cincinnati, Ohio
Dr.K.W. Smith,Medical Director, Johns-Manvilie Corp., Kew York, N.Y.
Dr.J .Il.Wolfsie,Medical Director, United States Rubber Co.,Kew Yank,NY
Mr.K.L.Darr,Director,Bell Asbestos Mines Ltd.,Sdles Mgr.,Atlas Asb.Co. Dr. R. Marson, Director, Ontario Research Foundation
K. Gritzuk, Asst, to the Genl. Mgr., Cassiar Asbestos Corp., Ltd.
Dr. Paul Cartier, Thetford Industrial Clinic, Thetford i ine s Geo. S. Fabel, American Asbestos Textile Corp.
A. Collineau, Societe Anonytue Francaise Du Ferodo
M. Decaestecker, "
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In addition to the above guests we were privileged to have thirty ladies accompany their husbands to our luncheon on Friday, June 4th.
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1. The meeting was called to order by President J.A. Crown, Jr., who expressed our appreciation for the opportunity of holding th is meeting in Thetford .Nines, and thanked our hosts, Asbestos Corpora tion, Ltd.; Dell Asbestos fines Limited; Canadian Johns-Manvi lie Co., Ltd.; Cassiar Asbestos Corporation Limited; ani Lake Asbestos of Que bec Limited, for their wonderful hospitality and meticulous handling of the many details incidental to the meeting. The miners' committee who handled the local arrangements consisted of M.T. Carson, Asbestos Corp;: i-.'.V. Hendry of Can. Johns-Kanville Co.; Roland Gagnon, Lake Asbestos of Quebec; Wm.J.W. Smith of Bell Asbestos fines representing Cassiar Asbestos Carp.; and F.rarke* Smith, Hell Asbestos .ines, who was Chairman of the committee. To all of these gentlemen we extend indivirtu|lb thanks for a job that was exceedingly well done! Ti e s id en||: Brown then introduced a number of the special guests who were attending this meeting, follov'ing which he explained that due to the faf&t- that some of the men had to leave before noontime in or der to catch a widafternoon flight out of i ontre.il, the usual agenda had been reversed, to enable then to hear our several guest speakers.
2. Our first sneaker was Mr. M.J. Messel, Tresi1 ent of Lake Asbestos of Quebec, Limited, who welcomed the re mbers of A.T.I. with these re marks: "President Brown, Members of A.7.I., Guests: It is a pleas ure, on behalf of the Canadian Asbestos jiners, to welcome you to asbestos country with its ian- 'ac!e mountains and to tell you how pleased and honoured we are to have you hold your meeting in Thetford
fines. While J have not been very active in A.7.., i have followed its work very closely through the reading of the fine and comprehensive re ports which your Secretary so ably ruts together. I have also fol lowed closely the cooperative work which your technical committees have been doing with the Quebec Asbestos . ining AssociatioajrtvfcicJv
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is much appreciated and mutually beneficial. 1 know the work of an association such as yours is a difficult one due to wide range and complexity of problems that have to be dealt with and wish to con gratulate ycur association in the srlendid and effective way that it conducts its affairs and copes with your industry problems. As yet there is no shortage of Group 3 spinning fibres from the mir.er in Canada, as I can still see plenty of order-takers around. How ever, there are indications of rossihle shortages in some of the as bestos cement grades. At one time the spinning fibre grades were the mainstay of the asbestos producing industry, but this has now been supnianted by the asbestos cement fibre grades together with expanded uses of the shorter fibres. During 1964, the Canadian Asbestos producing industry employed over 6000 oecrle and exported approximately 1,333,000 tons of asbestos with an approximate gross value of $155,000,000. Of this totd. only 34,6''7 tons were crude and spinning grades with an approximate total value of $14,000,000. The U.S.A. market consumed approximately 14,600 tons of crudes and spinning fibres with a value of approxi mately $6,400,000, and this has remained rather constant for the past 3 or 4 years. The only other large suppliers of spinning fibres are Russia and Rhodesia. The figures we obtained during our visit to Russia would indicate approximately 20 to 25 thousand tons of spin ning fibres out of an estimated total production of 1,600,000 tons; so Canada still holds its dominant position as supplier of textile fibres* The cooperative work that is being carried on for improved fibre testing ne thods and standards should lead to a better understanding between the producing and consuming asbestos industries. Mr. Sabourin, as attorney for '.A.I.A., will tell you something of the work that is being considered with respect to the health of the workers in our industry. I feel there should be room for cooperative work between the A.T.7. and '.A.i .A. I hope your visit among us will be a most hapry and pleasant one and will result in a better understanding of our mutual problems, aid I know the Local' Committees of A.T.I. and the Canadian Asbestos Miners have done a splendid job in making your stay amongst us both happy and memorable."
3. President Brown then introduced Dr. Kenneth W. Smith, Medical Director-hqif. Johns-Manville Corner ation, who stressed the desirabili ty, indeed the necessity, of the asbestos industry telling the truth about th# health of its employees and giv.irg i:e ar.ingful reports as to company experience. He pointed out that some of the more prolific writers on so-called "asbestosis" have relatively little background of actual "cases" on which to base their theories or conclusions, as compared with our collective and also individual company experience over many years time. Dr. Smith urged full cooperation on the part of various companies to open their records, and full cooperation with the work of the U-S. Tublic Health Service, lie stated that the gen eral overall health of Johns-i anville longtime employees compared favorably with industry in general, and pointed to the steadily ex panding membership in their 25 year club as evidence of this fact.
4. President Brown then introduce'1 .'r. Karl V. Lindell, Chairman, Canadian Johns-.'anville Co., Ltd,, v ho expressed his pleasure at hav ing the opportunity to attend this meeting, and`.said that lie would lii:e to'have It. Ivan Sabourin, ^.C.t attorney fer the G.A.: .A.,tell us about the work that has been done in past years to protect the
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health of asbestos workers, and about the outline planned for the newly formed Q.A.ii.A. program for Research in l ining Pathology for the Study of Respiratory Diseases as related to Chrysotile Asbestos, Some of the very interesting points brought out by Mr. Sabourin were In the year 1935 the mining industry started X-raying their employe-at regular intervals in order to .safeguard their health. The Morin Carolina State Board of Ileal tli was contacted to compare methods fo. dust counting and for X-ray procedures. Also worked with those ho.trita^s 1.11 Canada that had compiled background experience in the fielof respiratory diseases*
Paid tribute to Dr. Paul Cartier of the Thetford Industrial Clinic, pointing cut that Dr. Cartier had contributed many valuable papers and reports on as he stems over a span of mar.y years. Also that Dr. Grainger of Canadian Johns-Manvi1le Co, Ltd,, Dr. George Wright of Cleveland, and br-'A.j. Voiwaid of Detroit deserved much credit for their work and contributions to the increasing fund of general knowledge regarding nsbestosis.
Stressed that the ruining industries recuire their doctors to keep up with the work being dene by others on pneumoconiosis research, and to attend meetings both here and abroad, and participate in the dis cussions at those meetings. He stated with great emphasis that the
knowledge possessed, by the industry's doctors on the biological ef fects of chrysotile asbestos was not surpassed elsewhere in the world, i'-entioned that contacts have been made with doctors in Rus sia, East Germany, Finland, Italy, England and other countries. Expressed his belief that cancer is not necessarily involved due to association with asbestos. Pointed out that the A.I .A. article that appeared only about two weeks ago was not convincing - only informa tive - indicates much further work is needed - regrets adverse pub licity that results from such articles. Expressed the opinion that while the welfare of the worker should be the responsibility of management, we need to know more about the worker's environment after he leaves the plant.
Explained that the Q.A.J'.A. program is stilt in the formative stage. V'cy seek alliance with some university, such as iicGilr, for example, sc that authoritative background for publicity can be had. The pro gram will start modes''./, with competent men coming into it - men with a vast background; of actual experience. They recognize the need to consolidate experiences, and also having traveled widely in other countries, they find that research units are usually located adjacent to a Ja rge,; well equipped hospital. Frequently, the worker has a ccnditio^ptliat is not attributable to association witn asbestos, dis cover'd though cooperation with the hosritr.i sta^f.
In conelision Mr, Sabourin expressed the thought that it would be wonderfulSjxi'f the Asbestos Textile Institute could join their efforts to the Q.A.f*,A. program for the benefit of all deplored the isola tion of efforts and poor liaison between research laboratories and research units. Suggested that a common-council as a governing body
might be the answer and result in more rapid progress,
5, The next speaker was Dr i L.J. Crallcy, ofthe U.S. Public, lleilth
Service, who for the past several years has been supervising the ex
tensive Environmental Study of asbestos employees in textile plants
in the U.S.A. Dr. Cralley said that the Stud'- was going well, and
fine cooperation from both management .and employees has been experi
enced. The U.S. Public Health Service is r.ow extending their work
into other asbestos industries such as asbestos-cement, etc. Feels
that the results to date certainly justify the program and its fur-
iher expansion.
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In other areas of activity the U.S.P.H. Service presented a paper at the recent American Industrial Conference at Houston, Texas, which summarized their study experience in five plants. Draft copies of two papers were distributed to our Air Hygiene Committee on June 3rd, The first paper by Jeremiah 0. Lynch of the Dept, of Health, Educa tion and Welfare, titled "Asbestos Study - Procedure and Findings" and the second paper, titled "Relationship of Impinger Counts to Fibre Concentration by Membrane Filters in Asbestos Textile Ph nts". (Both of these papers are covered more fully in the report of oir Air Hygiene & Mfg. Committee which is attached to these minutes.) Dr. Cralley plans to speak at Seminars frequently in the future, such as University of Texas, insurance companies, etc. Pnti oned that since the conference on "Biological Effects of Asbestos", held in New York last October, the New York Academy of Sciences has now established a "Division of Environmental Sciences". At the conclu sion of his talk Dr. Cralley answered several questions from the audience.
6. President Brown then asked Mr. N.W. Hendry, General Sales Mana ger for Canadian Johns-Manville Asbestos Limited, to report for the Fibre Committee. Mr. Hendry stated that inventories of spinning fibre are ample but substantially below the levels of one year ago. Demand for Group 3 fibres remained relatively flat in 1964 in most countries of the world with the exception of the U.S. and Eurone. The increase in demand in the latter area was considerably greater than in the U.S. Business conditions in Japan are fair, Italy poor, Germany fair, United Kingdom good, and the remainder of Europe relatively good in the asbestos textile and asbestos-cement fields. It is expected, however, that the second half of 1965 will show an improvene nt over the first half in those areas of the world, in which business condi tions have been below average. The average reduction in the -200 mesh McNett contend of spinning fibres from 1953 to 1965 is in the order of 50 - 75 per cent. New asbestos fibre production projected from new properties in Cana da includes the Clinton Creek property of Cassiar in 1968, Asbestos Hill of Asbestos Corner ation n 1970, and the possible Reeves proper ty of J.M. in Northern Ontario. This new production will supply the asbestos-cement market principally. Russian production in 1964 at 1,600,000 tons exceeded that of Canada for the first time and 1h is trend isrexpected to continue 'n the forward years.
7. Mr. JV.'Jay Flocken, our Legal Counsel, on being introduced by President Brown, gave an interesting tall: on the subject of "Reci procity and Antitrust Law Enforcement in Relation to Reciprocity". A brief summary of his remarks follows: The subject of reciprocity is receiving renewed interest from antitrust enforcement agencies. Reciprocity generally is the practice whereby companies make concess ions to one another in order to promote their own business interest. The most common form of reciprocity is reciprocal buying. Although several recent merger cases which in part involved attacks on recip rocal buying practices, no court has yet held, nor has the government yet charged that such practices are illegal in and of themselves. Except for one merger case still pending in the courts, no government antitrust suit has challenged reciprocal practices as illegal and unreasonable restraints of trade or anticompetitive practices with out also attacking some other conduct. While it is still an open question, therefore, whether such practices may be illegal without
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evidence of other anticompetitive conduct, it seems likely that in
the near future reciprocity will be made the sole target of a govern ment antitrust suit. This rliscussion included consideration of the recent decision by the United States Suorcme Court upholding the PTC ruling against the acquisition by Consolidated Foods Corpcr ation of Gentry, Inc. Other merger cases discussed included the G.. . Diesel locomotive case; the General Dynamics Corporation case, the Ingersoll Rand Company case, and the Reynolds Tobacco Cowpany-Penick & Ford, Ltd. case.
8. The Report of Funds was presented by E.A. Schuman, Treasurer, and is attached to these minutes.
9. It was moved by S.J. Teele, Jr., that the reading of minutes of the last meeting be omitted - seconded by E.L. Alexander - so voted.
10. The Committee Reports attached to these minutes. Fibre Testing Committee as this meeting.
as made by their respective chairmen are J.P. V.'ronski gave the report for the its chairman, I. Barnett, could not attend
11. President Brown welcomed J.L. Mitchell as a representative of British Belting & Asbestos, Ltd., stating that we were greatly pleased that he would be in regular attendance at our meetings.
12. President Brovm announced that our next meeting would be held on the 7th and 8th of October, (arrival on the 6th) and tentative location was Hotel llershey, Hershey, Tenna. Subsequent to the meet ing, it was found that the Iiotel Hershey could not accommodate our meeting on those particular dates, and it has been decided to hold the October meeting at 'The INN", 3uck Hill Falls, Penna., October 6-8th. The XIHI is a famous hor-telr1 delightfully located in the scenic Pocono Mountains. It should be an ideal tine of year to be there, with autumn foliage at its height. Located 100 miles from either New York or Philadelphia, it r ay be reached by rie-La<k awanna train to Cresco (3 miles to INK}. Limousine meets all trains. By
air there is commercial service to Sc'r.anton-Wilkes Barre or Allen town-Det hie hem-Easton Airports. Trivate or chartered planes nay land at Mount Pocono Airpcrt. By car from New York cr Philadelphia is a three hour drive over excellent roads. The INil ooerates on the Amer ican Planar, and the daily rates, including all meals, is Double Room
$l9-$2lller person; Single Room $20-$22 per person; single occupancy of cb ubfpfrooro $25 per person. SO -- MARK YOUR CALENDAR - 'The INN". Buck HiilfPalls, Pa., October 6th to 8th ----- and bring your WIFE!
13. President Brown paid tribute to A.J. Scanlan, Treasurer of the Institute in 1953 and 1954, and Vice President in 1959-1960, who passed away on February 13, 196^. President Brown stated that Is
had sent a letter of symp^^hy to Mrs. Scanlan at direction of the. Board of Governors of the Institute and had received a nice letter from her in reply. He then asked the members to observe a moment
of silence in memory of "Ank" Scanlan.
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14. President Brovin reported that "Jack" Bettes, of Faybestoshanhatr.an.Tnc-, was unable to attend this meeting duo to the fact that b.3 vn-.c not yet fully recovered from a recent major operation, bovjever he is now back at his desk on a part-time basis, Jack, always a staunch supporter of A.T.I. ,probably hasn't missed a meeting in the last twenty years, and we felt his absenc most keenly, Kis many friends in the Institute v/ish him a speedy return to complete good health.
15. The meeting then adjourned, for luncheon, to which the wives had bean invited, and it proved a most enjoyable affair.
16. Adjournment of the meeting followed luncheon.
Respectfully submitted,
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