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f *y N.I42S *6V S-B2 ITUKJSMC8 lK E. I. d u Po n t d e Ne mo u r s 51 Co mp a n y tNCOftf*OftATCO Wil min g t o n , De l a w a r e 19898 ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT LOUVIERS BUILDING December 5, 1983 O. L. BRANNEN - C&P - BRANDYWINE J. M. BURKHART - C&P - BRANDYWINE H. B. CLARK - C&P - BRANDYWINE E. C. NELSON - C&P - BRANDYWINE P. M. NORLING - C&P - BRANDYWINE C. C. QUKBLES - C&P - BRANDYWINE V. R. SCHMALBACH - C&P - BRANDYWINE H. J. STRANSKY - C&P - BRANDYWINE D. I. GARNETT - C&P - EXPERIMENTAL STATION F. KNOWLES/R. E. BOCKRATH - C&P - EXPERIMENTAL STATION P. L. MEREDITH - C&P - EDGE MOOR F. A. VOGELSBERG - C&P - EDGE MOOR S. C. DOBERSTEIN/G. J. O'BRIEN - C&P - JACKSON LAB N. E. KRAUSS/C. J. SLENTZ - C&P - JACKSON LAB G. E. LYNSKEY - C&P - JACKSON LAB p. a . w r imm- c&p - j a c k s o n l a b R. FREAS - C&P - MEMPHIS C. A. BAXTER - RDO - UP N. P, BRECHTEL - DESIGN L. T. FINNICUM - DESIGN J. P. MURPHY - DESIGN S. M, PEPPER - BM&I W. W. CHEATHAM - CONSTR J. D. ANDERSON - ESD INTERDEPARTMENTAL SEMINAR Attached are the speakers' notes and information from the October 26, 1983 Seminar. DESIGN DIVISION Chemicals & Pigments Section T. L. Goode Project Manager TLGrlrg Atchs N 31728 f INTERDEPARTMENTAL SEMINAR DU PONT COUNTRY CLUB - GOVERNOR'S ROOM` Wednesday# October 26# 1983, 8:00 am to 3:00 pm INDEX OF NOTES A. Introduction - C. C. Quarles B. Project Front-End Loading - L. T. Finnicum' C. R&D Perspective of 1984 Capital Budget - H. B. Clark* D. Project Activity in RDOs - C. A. BaxterE. Project Critique - C. C. Quarles F. Quality Control Performance and Vendor Relations - H. J. Stransky. G. Panel - J. P. Murphy, J. P. McFadden, R. H. Dunlaps' N 31728.01 DUP050146484 r WELCOME TO THIRD ANNUAL SEMINAR OF ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT DESIGN DIVISION AND CHEMICALS AND PIGMENTS DEPARTMENT DEPARTMENTAL ENGINEER'S OFFICE CCQu a r l e s /c a r 10/26/83 N 31728.02 DUP0S0146485 DES.IGfl/DEQ .SEMINARS 1981 PURPOSE AND BACKGROUND FOR SEMINAR JOINT MISSION, FUNCTIONS, EXPECTATIONS CONSTRUCTION FORECAST PREPARATIONS AND VGA'S FOR FORECASTS COMMUNICATIONS, CONTACTS, RELATIONS SMALL PROJECTS GROUP DISCUSSIONS PROJECTS STATUS REPORTS, CHANGE ORDERS, REASON FOR PANIC SITUATION 1982 PROJECT OBJECTIVES LETTERS ACCURACY OF ESTIMATES COST OF CONTRACT ENGINEERING ENGINEERING WORK REQUESTS CCQu a r l e s /c a r 10/26/83 DUP050146486 PRELIMINARY OUTLINE FOR INTERDEPARTMENTAL SEMINAR ______________ KICKOFF TALK - J. T WARD Purpose and Background for Seminar Background Charter of Engineering Department/Design Division Size of Effort Opportunities for Improvement Flexibility - Varying Work Loads Cost - Comparisons Response - Backlog/Front End Loading Quality - QA Programs Accountability - Overruns Difficulties and Uncertainties Forecasting (Maintaining Forecast) Efficiency - False Starts, Prolonged Schedules Expectations/Resources - Qualifications for Judgement Firmness of Data and Decisions - Recycle Relationships - Customer/Vendor Purpose Understanding of Mutual Objectives Setting of Goals for Improvement -7- DUP050146487 "IN SEARCH OF EXCELLENCE" CCQu a r l e s /c a r 10/26/83 DU P050146488 QUR VALUE Bo t h DEO a n d En g in e e r in g De p a r t me n t e x is t b e c a u s e o f PERCEIVED VALUE - BECAUSE OUR CUSTOMERS BELIEVE WE HAVE A HIGHER VALUE IN USE THAN THE OTHER ALTERNATIVES AVAILABLE, Th a t p e r c e p t io n is n o t u n if o r m f o r e it h e r DEO o r En g in e e r in g . Me b o t h h a v e a c o n t in u in g c h a l l e n g e t o in c r e a s e o u r ACTUAL VALUE AND, THEREBY, OUR PERCEIVED VALUE. u a r l e s /j c c DU P050146489 .Pe r c e iy e d Va l u e Qu a l it y Sp e e d Re s p o n s iv e n e s s Te c h n o l o g y Se c u r it y Ex p e r t is e 1^8^u a r l es /j c c DUP050146490 El SHI ATTRIBUTES QE EXCELLENT, INNOVATIVE COMPANIES A BIAS FOR ACTION CLOSE TO THE CUSTOMER .AUTONOMY AND ENTREPRENEURSHIP PRODUCTIVITY THROUGH PEOPLE HANDS-ON VALUE DRIVEN STICK TO THE KNITTING SIMPLE FORM, LEAN STAFF SIMULTANEOUS LOOSE-TIGHT PROPERTIES CCQu a r l e s /c a r 10/26/83 DUP050146491 "IF YOU DON'T SHOOT FOR ONE HUNDRED PERCENT, YOU ARE TOLERATING MISTAKES, YOU'LL GET WHAT YOU ASKED FOR." CCQu a r l e s /c a r 10/26/83 DUP050146492 REPORT CARD DESIGN/DEO/R&D CCQu a r l e s /c a r 10/26/83 DUP050146493 Ar e a s Ne e d in g Imp r o v e men t Sa f e t y Re l ia b il it y o r o p e r a t in g u t il it y Ma in t e n a n c e c o s t s Fr e e d o m o f s t a r t -u p p r o b l e ms Qu a l it y a s s u r a n c e Fin a n c ia l ma n a g e me n t a n d r e s p o n s ib il it y De s ig n Co s t s Pr o j e c t Sc h e d u l e s Re s p o n s iv e n e s s a n d f o l l o w -t h r o u g h Re l ia b il it y o f e s t ima t e s . Qu a r l e s /j c c /81 9 DUP050146494 PRODUCTION DIVISION Lo n g r an g e o b j e c t iv e s SAFETY - NO INJURIES COMPETITIVE COSTS SUPERIOR QUALITY AND RELIABILITY CAPACITY TO MEET ALL MARKETING OBJECTIVES MINIMUM CAPITAL COMMITMENT MOTIVATE PEOPLE TO CONTRIBUTE THEIR BEST A/20/83 DUP050146495 SOME-AREftS QE CONTINUING AND. INCREASING EMPHASIS SAFETY PROJECT OBJECTIVES QUALITY ASSURANCE - VENDOR PERFORMANCE AUTHORIZATION TIMING EXPENDITURES VERSUS FORECAST EQUIPMENT STANDARDIZATION LIFETIME VERSUS FIRST COST JUST IN TIME - ON-TIME DELIVERY CCQu ar l es /c ar 10/26/83 DU P050146496 "WE HAD PUNNING SYSTEMS OF EVERY SORT FROM LONG-TERM STRATEGIC SYSTEMS TO SHORT-TERM ONES. BUT WE COULDN'T PREDICT WHAT WE WERE GOING TO SELL NEXT MONTH."* CHARLES AMES OF RELIANCE ELECTRIC CCQu ar l es /c ar 10/26/83. DUP050146497 18 1983 CAPITAL MANAGEMENT - DEPARTMENTAL PROJECTS \17 DATE OF CAPITAL \ MANAGEMENT 16 LETTER ? X 10/12/82 15 0 1/31/83 14 0 4/27/83 A 8/29/83 13 f- 10/20/83 12 11 10 9 & 8 7 I 6 I 5 I S3 4 l 3X 2 1 0 T------------- -- i---------------- 1---------------r IQ 2Q 3Q 4Q 1983 DUP050146498 PRODUCTION R&D MARKETING ALL OTHER TOTAL ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT CHARGES TO COST NINE.MONTHS 1985 (Co s t s in M$) 1981 16,848 ACTUAL_________________________ 1983 YTD 1983 1282 ANNUALIZED 12.ilQN.THS FORECAST. 12,131 4,972 281 467 17,851 9,445 4,935 512 __ All 15,303 8,598 6,237 458 __ 3A2 15,635 DESIGN EWR P&E ESD STUDIES ESD FIELD ENGINEERS ERDD BM&I AND CON STRUCTION 1281 5,327 2,454 5,774 2,526 504 . ,263 16,848 1282 6,426 2,201 5,886 2,449 570 . .519 17,851 1983 YTR ANNUALIZED 4,149 2,557 5,871 2,014 265 _MZ 15,303 CCQu ar l es /c ar 10/26/83 DUP050146499 IQfiPHERI CCQu a r l e s /c a r 10/26/83 DU P050146500 SLIDE. 1 FRONT END LOADING B SLIDE.2- ENGINEER1NG HAS CAPABILITY RESPONSIBILITY TO BE INVOLVED IN ESTABLISHING PROJECT TECHNOLOGY SLIDL i. TECHNOLOGY. MUST BE SOUND MUST BE COMPETATIVE SULDEJL JMMl . MUST BE EARLY TO AVOID MISSED OPPORTUNITIES I /2fe/<*2> N 31728.03 DUP050146501 SLIDE ,5 KEY CONCEPTST TECHNOLOGY EARLY SLIDE,6 Fr o n t En d Lo a d in g Is : THE APPLICATION OF ENGINEERING AND INDUSTRIAL DEPARTMENT RESOURCES DURING A PROJECT'S STUDY AND P&E STAGES TO ASSURE THAT THE BASES FOR A PROPOSED FACILITY ARE TECHNICALLY SOUND/ COST COMPETITIVE AND THAT THEY MEET PROJECT OBJECTIVES -- BEFORE DETAILED DESIGN WORK BEGINS. SLIDE,1 ASK QUESTIONS IN THE AREAS OF: BUSINESS TECHNOLOGY ALTERNATIVES ECONOMICS DESIGN SLIDE 8 . 9 BENEFITS: SOUND TECHNICAL BASIS DU P050146502 SLIDE,jLr.12. ben ef it s : SOUND TECHNICAL BASIS OPTIMIZATION SATISFY BUSINESS NEEDS INCLUDE "STATE OF THE ART" PRODUCT RESULTS: LESS CHANGE LESS REWORK LOWER TOTAL PROJECT COST SLIDE 13 RESOURCES: DESIGN CONSTRUCTION BM&I ESD ER&DD OUTSIDE SLIDE. 1*1 FACTORS TO DECIDE WHEN TO APPLY FRONT END LOADING: BUSINESS OBJECTIVES PROBABILITY OF AUTHORIZATION DEGREE OF INNOVATION DUP050146503 SUBEJLS GOAL OF FRONT END LOADING: TO ESTABLISH A SOUND TECHNICAL BASIS FOR A PROJECT BY EARLY PARTICIPATION OF THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WITH THE INDUSTRIAL d e p a r t me n t . DUP050146504 CBEftlCALS Z PlfitflflS d epar t men t - INCREASING ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT INVOLVEMENT IN PROJECTS H. B. CLARK 10/26/83 N 31728.04 DUP050146505 R&D COMMITMENT: "INCREASE ENGINEERING DEPT, PROJECT RESPONSIBILITY" iW&UmLja PATE o PROVEN PROJECT MANAGEMENT CAPABILITY 0 FLEXIBLE TO HANDLE SWINGS IN WORKLOAD/PRIORITIES 0 DESIGN COST EFFECTIVE DIRECT ACCESS TO "EXPERTS" BROAD EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH MANY PLANTS NOT DISTRACTED BY PUNT SUPPORT ACTIVITIES 0 THOROUGH SAFETY ANALYSIS 0 HIGH QUALITY DESIGN CCAD) 0 TECHNOLOGY SECURE (PIP) DUP050146506 CHEMICALS X PIGMENTS DEPARTMENT CAPITAL BUDGET (ALL UNITS MMS EXCEPT AS NOTED) PUftECUSVEl. 10 5-10 2-5 100MS-2 LOOMS TOTAL IQTA.LJL&P.(1) 1983 31.0 mu 10.0(2) 5,6 m 11.5 m.s 34.1 45.5 Jii 112.8 JLA 107.8 1985 115.0<2) 8.7 46.9 JSLSL 215.7 ISSfe 5.4' 16.3 52.4 <6.2 120.3 ENGINEERING KPT, RESPONSIBILITY PJMtaS.CC. LEffiL 1983 12S& 1985 10 31.0 10.0 115.0 5-10 5.6 - . - 2-5 11.5 11,6 3.0 100MS-2 loom 8.-2 26,0 _iua 31.0 TOTAL 56.3 51,6 153.8 ENG6. % OF TOTAL 50 48 71 * ENGG % OF 2WIS 12 3$ 41 im 9.0 39.6 54.6 45 46 NOTES: (1> EXCLUDES NON-CONSOLIDATED SUBSIDIARIES AND CANADA. (2) NIAGARA CHLOR-ALKAU PLANT - SIOOKM (3) NEW JOHNSONVILLE DEEP WELL DUP050146507 ENGINEERING DEPT. PROJECT HANDLING ELAT1I.CPN.CEMS ENGINEERING KPT. - INFLATES ESTIMATES - EXPENSIVE - UNRESPONSIVE - TAKES LONGER PLANTS WILL BE LESS COST-EFFECTIVE WITH REDUCED PROJECT LOAD PLANT PROJECT ENGINEERS .DEMOTIVATED BV REDUCED PROJECT CHALLENGES DUP050146508 RESOLVING PLANT CONCERNS REQUIRES gOPP-CSMi^UgliS INADEQUATE SCOPES/COMMUNICATIONS ARE CHIEF CAUSE OF HIGH ESTIMATES ESTABLISH FUNCTIONAL ORGANIZATIONS TO IMPROVE COMMUNICATIONS - PROJECT COORDINATORS IN R&D - LIAISON ENGINEER ON SITE WHERE PROJECT ACTIVITY HIGH EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATIONS - IMPROVE RESPOND - REDUCE IN-PROCESS TIME FOR PROJECTS - CONTAIN/CONTROL COSTS KEEP SITE-LOGICAL PROJECTS AT PLANT AS BASE LOAD AND "MOTIVATOR" DUP050146509 fcQiiCLM.Sl.QK 0 USING ENGINEERING DEPT, FOR PROJECT MANAGEKENT IS GOOD BUSINESS 0 EFFECTIVELY USING ENGG. DEPT. REQUIRES: - GOOD COMMUNICATIONS - FUNCTIONAL ORGANIZATIONS - ESTABLISHED PROCEDURES - COMMITMENT TO DEADLINES g BUDGETS - EXPERIENCE DUPO50146510 77>T/f<- /&eec4sr DUP050146511 REGIONAL DESIGN OFFICE UNIVERSITY PLAZA A PROGRESS REPORT t CAB 10/26/85 N 31728.05 DUP050146512 REGIONAL DESIGN OFFICE UNIVERSITY PLAZA DESIGNATED A RDO EFFECTIVE - AUGUST 15/ 1983 CHARTER - TO SERVE ALL C&P DEPARTMENT SITES EXCEPT DEER PARK/ LA PORTE AND BEAUMONT/ WHICH WILL CONTINUE TO BE HANDLED BY RDO-HOUSTO.N, AND BELLE/ WHICH IS ALIGNED WITH RDO-CHARLESTON. THE RDO-UP MAY SERVE OTHER DEPARTMENTS OPERATING ON SITES WHERE C&P HAS LANDLORD RESPONSIBILITIES. CAB 10/26/83 DUP050146513 REGIONAL DESIGN OFFICE UNIVERSITY PLAZA SITE BURNSIDE ' CHAMBERS WORKS* CLEVELAND . DE LISLE EAST CHICAGO EDGE MOOR GRASSELLI JACKSON LAB JAMES RIVER JOHNSONVILLE MEMPHIS NEWARK NEWPORT NIAGARA FALLS REPAUNO TOLEDO WURTLAND 1984 Ca p it a l Bu d g e t 3/4Q-1983 ($/M) C&P To t a l En g g Re s p . 575 7/895 280 3/555 0 1/501 200 200 0 6,400 3,675 400 220 525 650 180 0 160 4,200 0 710 0 861 200 0 0 0 3,675 0 0 350 200 0 0 C&P TOTALS 26,256 10,356 CHAMBERS WORKS (PPD) CHAMBERS WORKS (PD) 00 2,550 2,550 RDO-UP TOTALS * C&P RESPONSIBILITY ONLY 28,806 12/906 CAB 10/26/83 1984 Bu d g et ($/M) C&P To t a l 0 8,470 0 5,670 525 2,360 470 4/190 1,300 7,180 4,935 505 505 5,050 610 500 150 En g g Re s p . 0 3,915 0 1,750 525 0 150 2,460 1/300 450 4,935 0 0 1,450 300 500 0 42,420 17,735 . 1,800 1,800 600 600 44,820 20/135 DUP050146514 - SITE BURNSIDE CHAMBERS WORKS CLEVELAND DE LISLE EAST CHICAGO EDGE MOOR GRASSELLI JACKSON LAB JAMES RIVER JOHNSONVILLE MEMPHIS NEWARK NEWPORT NIAGARA FALLS REPAUNO TOLEDO WURTLAND C&P TOTALS CAB 10/26/83 REGIONAL DESIGN OFFICE UNIVERSITY PLAZA 198A MCN Bu d g e t (S/M:) 300 7,500 600 3,200 1,100 1,500 1,200 2,000 250 2,800 3,500 1,200 850 1,900 1,300 70 50 29,320 En g g r esp. ($/M) 0 1,000 0 1,000 200 100 200 0 0 0 800 0 0 200 0 0 0 3,500 DUP050146515 REGIONAL DESIGN OFFICE UNIVERSITY PLAZA CHALLENGES 0 INCREASE THE RDO STAFF TO HANDLE THE 1984 C&P CAPITAL BUDGET 0 RETAIN RESPONSIVENESS TO C&P NEEDS o BECOME THE DESIGN GROUP OF CHOICE CAB 10/26/83 DUP050146516 REGIONAL DESIGN OFFICE UNIVERSITY PLAZA FORCE FORECAST DU PONT 11/1/83 ENGINEERS DESIGNERS DU PONT SUB-TOTAL 13 3 -- 16 ALLSTATES ENGINEERS DESIGNERS 6 20 ALLSTATES SUB-TOTAL 26 1/1/84 14 4 -- 18 14 26 40 6/1/84 14 4 18 12/1/84 14 4 - -- 18 20 24 37 40 i-------- 57 64 OFFICE TOTAL m 58 75 82 CAB 10/26/83 DUP050146517 REGIONAL DESIGN OFFICE UNIVERSITY PLAZA WORK LOAD Pr o j e c t Au t h o r iz a t io n s $M 1980 1981 1982 1985 S,OOOM MOOM 7/ZOOM 2/230M (THRU 8/51) Th e C&P Ca p it a l Man ag emen t Repo r t f o r 2085 in c l u d ed pr o j ec t s t o t a l in g $4,400M w it h RDO-UP r e s p o n s ib il it y . CAB 10/26/85 DUP050146518 REGIONAL DESIGN OFFICE UNIVERSITY PLAZA FORCE FORECAST IS BASED ON: 0 $30,00011 CAPITAL BUDGET 0 FAIRLY EVEN DISTRIBUTION OF AUTHORIZATIONS If t h e t o t a l a mo u n t o f w o r k in c r e a s e s o r s l ip s t o p e a k , w e ma y b e UNABLE TO STAFF PROPERLY OR BE AS RESPONSIVE AS YOU DESIRE. CAB 10/26/83 DUP050146519 PROJECT CRITIQUES PREPAREHJY.C&P. PROJECT 5654 - DEER PARK - SYNTHESIS GAS FACILITY PROJECT 5653 - PEER PARK - METHANOL PLANT NO, 3 PROJECT 2663 - DE LISLE - 150,000 TONS/YEAR TITANIUM DIOXIDE FACILITY PROJECT 8412 - DEER PARK - METHANOL TERMINAL PROJECT 2586 - CHAMBERS WORKS -EXPANDED FACILITIES FORPHTHALOYL CHLORIDE PROJECT 9083 - MEMPHIS - MEMPHIS HYDROGEN PLANT PROJECT 8401 - DORDRECHT - MANUFACTURING FACILITIES FOR "TERACOL" POLYETHER GLYCOL (50%) PROJECT 7465 - BEAUMONT - METHANOL MODERNIZATION (99%) CCQu ar l es /c ar 10/26/83 N 31728.06 DUP050146520 PROJECT CRITIQUES D.EL-B QBJCtIV TO ASSIST OTHERS WHO HAVE SUBSEQUENT PROJECTS WHEN REQUIRE]! MOST PROJECTS OVER $4MM AND FOR SMALLER PROJECTS DESIGNATED BY DEO ORGANIZATION. FIVE SECTIONS SUMMARY OPERATIONAL DESIGN CONSTRUCTION COST CONTROL CCQu ar l es /c ar 10/26/83 DUP050146521 PROJECT CRITIQUES CONTENT . METHODOLOGY USE COST CCQu ar l es /c ar 10/26/83 DUP050146522 PLANT Beau mo n t QUALITY CONTROL PERFORMANCE & VENDOR RELATION VENDOR PROBLEM Wil s o n Deh y d r at o r Co l u mn Tr ay s Wo r t h in g t o n Tu r b in es & Co mpr es s o r s (1970) Mit s u i Co mpr es s o r (1983) Reac t o r Fa b r ic a t io n Fo s t e r -Wh eel er Ref o r mer Air Pr eh eat Sy s t em Fu r n ac e He a t Bal an c e Pu r g e Gas Bu r n er Ca p ac it y . Pig t a il Heat Sh ie l d s LURGl Reac t o r Tu be Su ppo r t s Ch amber s Wk s St o n e & Webs t er B&W Ret u r n t o Co al Pr o j ec t Man ag emen t Co al Pu l v e r iz e r s - Bo il er Per f o r man c e Deer Par k Va r io u s Mit s u i Ric -Wil St e in mu l l e r St u b-en d s Co mpr es s o r Ac e t ic Ac id Lin e Wa s t e Heat Bo il e r HJSt r an s k y 10/25/83 / N 31728.07 DU P050146523 QUALITY CONTROL PERFORMANCE & VENDOR RELATION PLANT VENDOR PROBLEM De e r Pa r k Lin d e /Lo t ep r o mo l Sie v e Ve s s e l s r e c t i s o l CTX He a t Tr e a t me n t Ca r b o n y l s Co l d Bo x Re l ie f Va l v e Te x a c o Va r io u s Co mb u s t io n En g . Bo il e r De Lis l e Da r t Amit e k Wil l ia ms Wil mo n t -Fl e min g ? Pr e s s u r e Fil t e r s - Pl a t e s Wa s t e Fil t e r s - Ru b b e r l in in g Fl a s h Dr y e r Ha mme r mil l Sp r a y Co n d e n s e r Dis c s - w e l d s St r ip p in g Sc r e w - We l d s Pu mp Ta n k No z z l e Fl a n g e s Jo h n s o n v il l e Fu l l e r Va r io u s En g in e e r in g De s ig n Co n t r a c t o r s Or e Ro a s t e r Do r d r e c h t , d e e r Pa r k me t h a n o l , Ca r l in Ne v a d a , Ch a mb er s Wo r k s Co a l , De e r Pa r k s y n g a s , Me mp h is Hy d r o g e n HJSt r a n s k y 10/25/83 DUP050146524 QUALITY CONTROL PERFORMANCE AND VENDOR RELATIONS PANEL: J. P. MURPHY - DESIGN VIEWPOINT J. P. MC FADDEN - M&L PERSPECTIVE R. H. DUNLAP - LEGAL Summary Notes of Comments Murphy - We let vendors off the hook, Du Pont steps In to solve problems. Lack of response by vendors In timely manner. We can't afford zero defects not practical. Equipment deficiencies result from servers! sources and compromises such as specification quality, delivery time, price, etc. Every vendor, including those emphasizing quality have at some time failed our*expectations. Quality being attained may already be cost effective. McFadden - Obtain performance by qualifying vendors, use bidders list .and place on selected basis. Disclaimer for consequential damages is industry policy. M&L doesn't accept letting vendor off the hook. In most cases pursued, we have recovered some back charges. Need timely feedback from plants to pursue. Doubt we can afford a risk-free contract. Have to give vendor first opportunity to solve problem (pressure of time forces Du Pont in before vendor solves or we don't like vendor's proposed solution). Dunlap - Lot of money wasted by plant wanting Specific item instead of considering alternatives. Have been pursuing claims. Expect increased emphasis on claims and litigation. List of outstanding claims being developed for more awareness. Usually exclude consequential damages but more tendency to pursue or set practical limit which will increase emphasis desired. Approval of drawings often weakens case in spite of what stamp says trying to limit approval. About $14MM in claims outstanding. Claim awareness will increase recovery. Plants need to be aware of opportunities needing follow-up and challenge vendor. (Legal planning presentation to plants.) Adequacy of guarantees, etc. should be worked out ahead of time and if possibility of claim is poor vs risk, then Industrial Department should be aware. Use terms and conditions as part of the acceptan0 ce criteria. Discussion - Claims should produce incentive for vendors and others to do better job -- emphasis to avoid problem from starting. All deficiencies are not vendor performance. Objective is not to have a problem in first place. N 31728.08 DU P050146525