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1 ir STRI CTLY CONFI DENTI AL CONTACT REPORT Locat i on: Los Angel es Count y Ai r Pol l ut i on Cont r ol Headquar t er s Dat e: August 27, 1959 Those pr esent : For t he Los Angel es Count y Ai r Pol l ut i on Cont r ol Di st r i ct : Mr . Smi t h S. Gr i swol d Ai r Pol l ut i on Cont r ol Of f i cer Mr . Loui s J. Ful l er Deput y Cont r ol Of f i cer Dr . Lesi i e A. Chamber s Di r ect or of Resear ch Dr . Rober t L. Chass Di r ect or of Engi neer i ng For E. I. du Pont de Nemour s: Mr . Br ent Mal i n For Et hyl Cor por at i on: Mr . Huxt abl e and mysel f . Mr . Gr i swol d opened t he meet i ng by comment i ng t hat whi l e he was gener al l y awar e of t he pr esent at i on of t he TEL i ndust r i es t o t he ad hoc commi t t ee convened by t he Sur geon Gener al , he had not been made awar e of any speci f i c det ai l s of t he i nf or mat i on pr esent ed. He had been advi sed by a l et t er f r om t he Di r ect or of t he Bur eau of St at e Ser vi ces t hat t he r epor t of t he advi sor y commi t t ee had been i ssued, but had not r ecei ved a copy t o dat e. Mr . Gr i swol d appear ed sur pr i sed t hat t he f i ndi ngs of t he commi t t ee and r epor t had been t r ansmi t t ed t o t he l ead i ndust r i es t hi s week, si nce he had j ust been r equest ed t o comment on t he cont ent s. We r evi ewed i n a gener al way t he dat a whi ch had been pr esent ed t o t he advi sor y commi t t ee. We emphasi zed t he economi c consi der at i ons war r ant i ng a consi der at i on of i ncr eased TEL concent r at i on. We al so comment ed br i ef l y on t he use aspect s of hi gher TEL concent r at i on, and t hen di scussed i n a gener al way t he f act s r el at i ng t o t he publ i c heal t h aspect s of i ncr eased TEL concent r at i on. At t he concl usi on of t hi s i ni t i al summar y, Mr . Gr i swol d st at ed t hat he was al r eady on r ecor d wi t h t he Sur geon Gener al as XS 0004323 Page 2 opposi ng any i ncr ease i n TEL concent r at i on f or t he f ol l owi ng r easons: 1. That i t was hi s r esponsi bi l i t y t o pr event any changes t hat mi ght i ncr ease t he concent r at i on of ai r pol l ut ant s, and 2. He was opposed on t he gr ounds t hat i ncr eased TEL concen t r at i on woul d compl i cat e t he devel opment of accept abl e cat al yt i c conver t er s t o r educe t he cont r i but i on of aut omobi l es t o ai r pol l ut i on. Ther e was a gr eat deal of di scussi on wi t h al l member s of t he Di st r i ct r el at i ve t o what t he i ncr ease i n l i mi t at i on mi ght mean i nsof ar as t ot al l ead- i n- ai r cont r i but i on of t he aut omobi l e. I t was poi nt ed out sever al t i mes t hat economi cs woul d di ct at e t he degr ee t o whi ch gasol i ne TEL concent r at i on i ncr eased, and t hat bot h t he Et hyl and DuPont st udi es i ndi cat ed t hat t hi s woul d be gr adual . We poi nt ed out t hat f or t he U. S. Pool Gasol i ne t hi s r at e woul d be about 0. 2 ml , per year . Dr . Chamber s t ook t he posi t i on t hat we wer e her e deal i ng wi t h aver ages, whi ch i s t he case, and t he speci f i c si t uat i on i n t he Los Angel es basi n mi ght be consi der abl y di f f er ent . He f el t t hat t he cur r ent ol ef i n l i mi t at i ons mi ght be a f act or i n a gr eat er r at e of i ncr ease i n t hi s par t i cul ar ar ea. We st r essed t hat t hi s woul d not necessar i l y be t he case, si nce i ndust r y st eps t o meet t he r equi r ed mi ni mum on ol ef i ns mi ght concei vabl y act ual l y l ower TEL r equi r ement . Ot her ar eas whi ch wer e di scussed wer e t he mean l ead- i n- ai r val ues cur r ent l y exi st i ng i n t he Los Angel es basi n. We at t empt ed t o emphasi ze t hat t hey wer e at an ext r emel y l ow and saf e l evel now, and t hat a many- f ol d f act or of saf et y exi st ed; al so t hat t he pr edi ct ed i ncr ease i n l ead usage woul d not mar kedl y change t he l evel . Thi s was count er ed by t he Di st r i ct r epr esent at i ves wi t h t he f act t hat t hey must be concer ned wi t h ever - i ncr easi ng amount s of gasol i ne consumpt i on, and have est i mat ed a 50% i ncr ease wi t hi n a f i ve- year per i od. I n r epl y t o a di r ect quest i on t o Mr . Gr i swol d as t o what hi s cour se of act i on woul d be, he st at ed as f ol l ows: 1. He woul d r equest t hat hi s st af f pr epar e an est i mat e of t he i nf l uence of t he pr oposed i ncr ease on t he ai r bur den of t he basi n ar ea. 2. Hi s st af f woul d car ef ul l y st udy t he r epor t of t he advi sor y commi t t ee when i t i s r ecei ved. 3. On t he basi s of t hei r st udi es t hey wi l l pr epar e a pr esen t at i on f or t he Sci ent i f i c Advi sor y Comm. i t t ee t o t he Di st r i ct . The r esul t s of t hei r st udi es woul d al so be di scussed wi t h t he consul t ant s cur r ent l y avai l abl e t o t he Di st r i ct . 4. That he woul d advi se t he l ead i ndust r i es of t he ar eas t hat t hey woul d pr opose t o di scuss wi t h t he Sci ent i f i c Advi sor y Commi t t ee, and woul d r equest r epr esent at i on of t he i ndus 0004824 Page 3 We advi sed Mr . Gr i swol d t hat we woul d be pr epar ed t o par t i ci pat e i n t hese di scussi ons, and t hat we woul d l i ke t o have pr esent speci al i st s i n t he ar eas whi ch woul d be consi der ed. Her e I made speci f i c r ef er ence t o havi ng a r epr esent at i ve of our Medi cal Depar t ment pr esent t o par t i ci pat e i n t he di scussi on r el at i ve t o t he publ i c heal t h hazar d. Mr . Gr i swol d advi sed us t hat he woul d not i f y us at l east t wo weeks pr i or t o t he t i me of t he meet i ng wi t h t he Sci ent i f i c Advi sor y Commi t t ee and woul d at t hat t i me gi ve us suf f i ci ent i nf or mat i on on whi ch t o base t he pr esent at i ons we woul d want t o make. As r egar ds any publ i c st at ement s concer ni ng t he pr oposed i n cr ease i n l i mi t at i on, Gr i swol d st at ed t hat t hey i nt ended t o make none. We must , however , be awar e of t he f act t hat shoul d any publ i ci t y appear i n t he l ocal pr ess, Gr i swol d wi l l undoubt edl y be asked t o comment . We at t empt ed t o suggest t hat hi s comment s mi ght be al ong t he I i nes t hat he has been i nf or med i n a gener al way- . r egar di ng t he si t uat i on and t hat he and hi s st af f have t he si t uat i on under st udy. I t i s possi bl e, based on a comment made by Dr . Chamber s, t hat t he at t i t ude of t he Di st r i ct may be t o pass t he buck t o t he St at e Publ i c Heal t h of f i ci al s, who have been char ged by t he St at e Legi sl at ur e wi t h devel opi ng st andar ds f or exhaust cont ami nant s by Febr uar y, I 960. As a gener al summar y, I woul d say t hat we wer e gi ven a f ai r l y r easonabl e hear i ng, but t hat t her e i s st r ong evi dence t hat t he mat t er has been pr e- j udged, and event ual l y t he Di st r i ct wi l l r ecommend a maxi mum TEL concent r at i on f or f uel s t o be sol d i n t he basi n ar ea. I n t hi s r egar d Len and I, seconded i n a weak manner by Mat i n, made a st r ong poi nt i n opposi t i on t o any l egi sl at i on l i mi t i ng TEL concent r at i on. Whi l e I am sur e t hat t he Di st r i ct r epr esent at i ves got t he poi nt we wer e t r yi ng t o make, I do not f eel t hat i n t he l ong r un t hi s wi l l have any bear i ng on t hei r deci si on. They f eel t hat t hey have been pr ecedent set t i ng i n t hei r sul f ur and ol ef i n l i mi t at i ons, and I bel i eve t hey r egar d t hi s as j ust anot her possi bl e st ep i n t hei r at t empt s t o cont r ol f uel composi t i on. I n a sense, t hey t ake pr i de i n bei ng f i r st i n many r egul a t or y mat t er s. The Cont r ol Di st r i ct cur r ent l y has a pr ogr am f or t he anal ysi s of al l f uel s sol d i n t he basi n ar ea, i ncl udi ng TEL concent r at i on. They i nt end t o wat ch ver y cl osel y, I am sur e, t he t r end i n t hi s di r ect i on, and we have vol unt eer ed t o suppl y t hem wi t h si mi l ar dat a obt ai ned i n our Et hyl sur veys. We pr oposed t o t hem t hat any deci si ons t hey mi ght ar r i ve at be t emper ed by i ndust r i es' movement s as r egar ds TEL concen t r at i on, and we f eel t hi s i s a poi nt we shoul d keep emphasi zi ng i n ` f ut ur e cont act s. I f over - al l wei ght ed TEL concent r at i on i n t he ar ea i ncr eases at no mor e t han our pr edi ct ed r at e, i t i s concei vabl y possi bl e t hat we can f or est al l any r egul at or y act i on on t hei r par t unt i l such t i me as pot ent i al l y accept abl e cont r ol devi ces mi ght be on t he hor i zon. K 0004825 Page 4 Shoul d i t appear as t hi s si t uat i on devel ops t hat Gr i swol d i nt ends t o cont r ol maxi mum TEL concent r at i on f or t he basi n ar ea, I bel i eve t hat our ef f or t s shoul d be di r ect ed as havi ng t he cont r ol s car r i ed out by t he hi st or i cal , gent l emen' s agr eement appr oach. We - st r essed t he success of t hi s met hod nat i onwi de si nce t he i ni t i al i nt r oduct i on of TEL and t he f act t hat i t was t he met hod st i l l pr e f er r ed by t he Sur geon Gener al . HH: I cc: Mr . B. B. Tur ner Mr . M. P. Mur dock Mr . G. F. Ki r by Mr . K. Swar t wood Mr . R. K. ScaI es Mr . H. J. Gi bson Howar d Hessel ber g 0004826