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FILE NAME: Z/ZZZZ/ DATE: D DOC#: / DOCUMENT DESCRIPTION:dZZ>Z,Z WZZZ^ \: 'f#itl}~'; ";:e:I;;/iF~....,~.: .:\.",':' .:/:'i .': "~:,:i' 'ii;~~:':'~:,'::;?;(;;':~t:; ':. :~;"":;">:' :"!:i~~~l~7~ ::;, ::~ :', ' - i': '.-," " I, " OFFIciAL REPORT' OF', PROCEEDINGS' before the '/ ). t: . of the . ': U. S. DEPARTMENT OF LAABBOQR Docket No,' In the matter of .I SPJT\AONPDOASREDD FROURLEEXMPAOKSINUORE TO ASBE:STOS DUST #:' ',. PUl;LIC HEA lUNG ,,~ , 1 '" ~: Washington, D.OC, C.-' ~, . ";' . Date: March 15,' 197~ .. ' ," . , . - .'.,~" " , " ',:~. I, ' " ...... ,. ,', " .:... ~;~~ ~ ." - ' .. .< , " .... I " ~ '. " " ' .. " ,,": ":.' ." .', . HOOVE.R BEP0..1\T, JN. G. ,comANY,. IN. C. 0f/idtIJ:~ . 646-6666 , , j 2: 3 4 5 6 I! i i \1 I I f \ I 8 9 I, :0 I ; 1 1',: " t ;t \, <- ~; '" '". !,: l r 1: ,.f ~ E -; 4 I' ..It \", : j :! : ~ ':c F,! "i,: il 1I-'' j. I I t', ~s It I. '! ,i':"1 ~'.'.-~ " ~l ;~O I1I Ii;i J:l I;r: ii ::~!~ it ,.i! ~'. ~ I ~ .,11 t' t, ,I,'" :~ :i i.:;;~ "",', ~ i .' .~ I OCC'OP 1\~l:rc)l\ft\L Sj.\FE:rl'Y )iWIJ\fmO Hl!~.t\ II/PH 2\m1INISTHN!'!ON HmUlnlGS m~ BTl\lTDi\m, FOr~ EXP(j!~URF. ''0 ASIIF.srrOS Dt~S'I' COAlference RO(')l\\ 13 De)pal~t:mCnt CelIf: Labc.'r W:tshir.t'1'i:Ol\ , D" C. i-101\f1ay I i'1arc:h J.5 f 1972 ./ .' ..... ~:,d-.~"";.a::--'''-' ,~,_ _ _ _ _~~."'" .....,......."_"..5-. . . . . ~.,,-, ...... ,. . . . "... ",......... ' ----_ .C... ONTEN...T...S... WITNESSES: Allvv1in Gross"" W. Clark Cooper Duncan A. Holaday Stephen HHoollmmees C1li1ffftolr'd L. Sheokler J. Spenoer Royer Charles Zumwalt ' Albert H~ Ff.lY . Matthew M. Swetonio Isaa.c H. Weaver John H Marsh. Joseph Leonard John L. Ra1iney Albert D. Sch1nner Eddd1ie Story NUMBERS: - 22 23 24 thru 35 .E... _X-H-I-B--I-T-S- IDENTIFIED 106 106 25 thru 35 150 36-A 36."B 37 38 and 39 40 170-A 110-t.. 170-B 118 192 . --- . . PAGE 104 113 12'8 142 172-B 170-L 1l7700-P 171 178 193 198 202 209 212 216 107 106 :"55 '. 1....5...,1 " 170-A 170-A 170-B 178 192 '0 iJ MA e I$:e S:. ( j 4ifW .4.h4 ''0044"" MM 1 , 14 2 j _, i. : j : 4 ,; s ,2 , ',' 178 I (The doc~nt above referred to . ,f' .2 was marked .as Bxhlb~t No. 38 3 for' id$nt~ficati6n.). , 4 WHINER OOLDBDG: All right, MIl. PAY:. And t!le second n"nne is the Asbestos lPaac t 8 Sheet conc~mlng the uees of asbestos ~d as~to8 pmductsw. t . ' .. 7 EXAMINER. GOLDBERG: That td,ll be Exhlb1:'t 39. 8 (The document. above referred.to ,,, waa marked as Exhi~it ifo. 39 for identification.) EXAMINER GOLDBEl!RG ~ Thank you. Exhibits 3& 'and 39 are r~caiv~d. (The documents previously identi- 14 fied as EXhibit3 NObs . 3& and 39 .. 15 'V~erG rQceive-.i in evidence.) ,. I 16 WloflNER GOLDBImERG: Introduce yourself. 17 MR. SHETO~tIC: t1y name is Mattheti nrt. Suetonic , and 13 I am I!1:CC11C:LVG Secrct:.u~y of tho Asbestos information Aasocla- ., 1~ i:;.on ot. No,:th 1~.C:r!Cl and also !&'l.lagar of spec:f.al projects 40 in the Public Affoirs Sectj.on for tile Johns-z.t..anvil1e CQ1'pora- .lJ tion l~. FQay ~AS already described.the aSSOQiat1oD; and 28 id~~tified the companies which it rapresents. We are basic~ll . ?4 an information disseminating or8an~ation and the facts Of opillion.~ contained in my presentation alre supported :In the :. " ~ , 119 1 2 3 4 The aasues tos iIndus try has recognized for l'48ny years 5 that there are occupational health, hazards associated with 6 the excessive inhalation of as&lestos dust. Recognizing ,its 7 olilligation to protect its 'iOr~ters, the industry has over the a years investe'd many millions of dollars in ~ophisticated and highly efficient equipment to reduce aSalC!stos dust levels in 10 the work places generally accepted safe li~its. Some $100 million has ueen invested for this purpose in the past decade alone. I just might point out in reference to some of the teGtimony that: "2as given this morning til2lt awoet exclusivel:y i this equipment toJnS designed to pre'Jent eXllooure at i:he sO'.lrce, I' 15 dust collection equipment of the type that was descrialed for y 18 in the inculat:i.on trade but on a ll1udh, much larger scale 17 again not protecting th~ t~orlter., out protecting him from the 18 dust ~eore it ever gets to him. 19 'lile general:, position tr~i.tbiQ the 5.ndustry is that r,):' 20 ~ould never like to see a man ever have to wp.ar a respirator, 21 for example. The source is the place to sto~ ex~osuxe. 22 Over the ye4rs, acceptaule safe l~its for asuestos 23 exposure hbas oeen lo~erod a nUtnIJer of tunes uy various &lodies, 24 includil1g NCGIH and others. The industry has t-Jorked hard to ~I-'~----~--------~------------------~----~"----""""""""""'''' .LU 180 I is ueing faced with the possiuility of yet anothc~ decrease 2 it. the slI:c:ept8I)le li:ntts for asuestos exposure., I.n . the past:J 3 each ne\oJ standard was ac:c:e'pted oy the induf'try uecause the ' 4 developing medical evidence indicQted that ~ew lower limits 5 might indeed be necessary~ This is certainly not the case C~ with the two..fiuer standard proposed. oy th~ National Institute 7 of Occupational Safety and Health. 'rhe medica~' urief pre-' 8 pared I)Y NIOSll in support of the tto)o ...fiuer limit, in our 9 opinion, falls far sbort of esta~lishing the necessity of sucn 10 ~ standard. 11 The criteria document, in fact, states quite clearly on page D-lO that "the llUnlller' of studies that have 13 collected both environmental and medical data and with a 14 si.gnif;.cant nultmm.oaer of exposed toJorkers is not nufficient to " 15 establish a meaningful standard based upon firm scientific t6 data. ItI 17 If this is true, then the ques tion mus t be s::;ked: 18 upon toJilat data shaJ.l a standard be /.~ased? If we are going tuv 1~ oS so our standard upon t'lha f: others have done, which is the zo basic app~=oach that NIOSH had taken, then "<ole are running 21 3):ound in circles, o~cause if specific data is not availaule 22 to US todtty, then if: could not possillily have Ilean availaDle 2S to others t4hen ,they developed their, Gi;andards in the ~ast. 24 The sj.mple tru:h is that no one, NIOSH included, ~ ,knO\"s foT. sure t~hat: a safe occupational standard should lJe. a :.;; IWW,,,'tTl' I.~. ,,',. i.,.,.! . ' .,J! ,"..' ." ' ., "11 P"::S L4 I a s sa 922qs ai2o0w~ t:l;Y;:li:l:t,..".LuiItnl$,Xt..!!J!Jqq;;;;,;4.i!,;t;.;I;,;.!2 .(12., t(.- ...1.1, ".,..,11,d#l! t( ii ;III)U $41I1i .. a:. 181 " II". I There is g(tneral agT.~~m.;~.,~ .,amoag the' 'prC?fes's1Qnals stud'ying th proillem that it t should I p~obauly "e' lowel;, than 12 fiibJeers per' .' t " 8 cce, out how l11ucb lo~tJer,. is" a question, 'that,.' has not: been 4 answered to everyone t ssatisfaction. ',The main reason fox this 5 is that the disease we ai:~, seeingtod~y is the result of 6 conditions that existed 20, or 30 or 40 years ago, at a time' ., 7 when today's highly sophisticated dust collection equipment e t'tlas not readily Dvailaole, and ~'hen oDaotth the industry aad the I51I medical profession k.netlt .,relatively little about the hazards' 1~ o~ asbestos dust. '1 This point has been made repeatedly oy the doctors 12 testifying before, this hearing. 13 We simply do not know for sure t'lhat the dust levels 14 were in those days, but there is every 'indication that they 1S ~'lCl:e enol."nlously higher than they are today. For this reason, 16 as mm,y doc to;;:s have' pointed out, tlC~ MmUuSs t be very careful 17 about looLting at today's conditions and todayls disease and 18 .,trying to drlt) a parallel oett'ieen the two. Such a ~ar811el 1~ does not exist, ond this can lead to some very erroneous 20 conclusions. 21 " .,Let me give' you an examppllee..' 22 It l~s eDeeeen reported uy some researche~s studying 28 tile ineula~~ol.1' ., trades in this country th4t the dust con- ;t ditions that exist today on insulation jou sites and in ship- f'tk .1 ~~: " _Awue 4 '4 5 aSEt is I Si I 4QCt At!t "illiiAa Aihii IlaS 3 I ;.i 4iIiq;; 1I.s:. ! i :; _2 t I " I . 5 I I" J 1 led to a calculation that the very high death rate found . . . :. " 2 among these men is directly attributaDle to levels of,arou~d . . .. 3 three fibexs per cc. Thoe evidence is sUl)stantial that this 4 calculation is inaccurate. S I am sub~ltting with my testLmo~y a paper .which (I describes the decreasing .asbestos content 0' insulations used 7 in the trades over the past 30 to 40 years. You .;~ill recall 8 that this basic question about the levels of 'exposure in the 9 past amons these people.was Drought up yesterday by 10 Dr. Nicholson and under ques tion uy ltr. Shecitler, The lasic " document 'which substantiatesthe conclusion that the levels 1'2 ore considerably different, al though toJe don t t {(now ttha t they 13 ,\'i'iecre 1.0 years ago, ilut t~e do knot., I':hey t>;ere much higher, is 1': cOA1cail.lad in this paper t~hich ! have bere entitled, "Changin~ 15 Concepts of Insulation ~1aterial. ItI 16 I ~il1 not go into thoa dotails of what is contained 17 in this paper, except to submit it. 1& FaY.' el~ample, I submit this paper fl.ot to discredit 19 any researcher's v,ork. Obviously, I am not in a pOSition 1:0 ,I) do that, but m~rely to point out as others have done, the e 21 enormous d.ifficulty one encounters in trying to establish meaningful numerical standards. 23 In add:f.tion, as Dr. Holmes pointed out fn his ~?4 I testimony, the evidence should be given to peak seems to indicate that more importance exposures in evaluating disease ,~?~"r~. ,I, i, F , ~ I... '\": ' ":to.. 3bOO fibers per cac:, ~.,:i.th a mean ranging tJott'3een 3.59 ,'f!iberas , . . per cc and 353 f1.bers per cc. Today, _of course, men performlo1 this work are p~ot.ectecl by air supply respirators. Thirty years ago, when t.hey r.eceived exposures that led to tl~ir present uisease, they '-'ere not so protected. The doctors are generally agreed that the lung's c.b:i.J.:U;y t:o cleanGoc, itseJ. of accumula ted dust ~,ould be sel:'iol1sJ.y i:educad .:It ~,;uch h:tgh levels, yet a tirlle"'weighted In tb.c fol?j:':'ly5.n;; :i.nduscry, c(J~mts as high as 1500 Thus" in the opin5.on of most expercs, time-t'leighted a'lJc:rages can be very m:i.sle.?d~.ng 1. the [m!len are pGxoiodically exposed to fiber. levels so h5.gh Cthha t the lung's cleansing machani!jm fai.ln considOl:.~bly in its ability to rid the lung of accUfclulatad fiobcer.. If, as the experts have told us, the lungs ecnn l~emO\le 99% of; .~ll il1haled particles, including asbestos f5.6cr., t~.lp.n a reduction in the 61ean~:i.ng function of 'cvell a fet' percent tiill incr.ease the amount of' ,fiber reta;.ned "''';-:'." .... I'"; - ".,. e ,."\ ,- .. --~- . -.--.--~-, -...-----..---.---.-...----~.-~--~.,..... -..---. . . . . _ ~.~ w~,~ . ....,...........-,.._......--...-_.....-_ _........_ _ _, _ 1:81~ 1 by that many mAgnitudeo 'I I ,. ... 2 In addition to these ~easons, there are excel!ent a technological and economic reasons f'or not p,:omulgating' too . . . 4 st1:ict a t~.metleighted average, lUld instead placing more 6 aCtention on el~inating the high peakexposu~es. The industr f3 .is in . the. process of . t'tying to develop aCCL\rate data witb rea- 7 gard to Gcot;lomic impac t 8 Mr. F3y :;:eferred to thi..s :i.n his presentation. 9 !~e Q3:(~ ~'101:t"ing har.d 01'1 tb:ts proolem ~lith OSHA, . ,',. . .. '10 Et.,,:cau o.t Si;ondnrc1:::, and t1ith kcthur D. Little. \sJhile :tt . 11 ;'e 1;.1,,0;' 1 "'L11 nnl 1"'; 'i-; 1',s ... .... f; \,0 >";)'O-,~l":\';"; '\'~';'l.;I~(~:J .;...~..r...t,.w...{...\..... f.~_ ...... "._l:C:)'l'u't~OoI.'.loO , \ . . . .0 ~t'1'I110t;''\ble... 'l2 ca~l.y cs!::i.maten :i.ndicnte thnC tho cost to tIle' 5.ndustry of D~eQtlng II t,m-:c:tbe:t: :3;:andcu:cl ,:tn thoae sections of the industr.y 14 ~~ber.c .cl~ch 0 SCC1idql:d :i.s ZaosibJ..c IpI t10uld be in the vici:lity ~5 of $200 million. . ,. 16 In recommending a standard of ~)O fibers per CC~ 17 th~ erronaoJ..10 ur;:;umpt:ion has been made that: CooddCaly 1 ss t etecchh- 16 nolo3Y ::.6 C ,~'abj.o of lo~mr.ing the l.ovels in each and every 19 aZbes tOB opera tioo Co i:t~o fibcers. Past eJtper10ence tQoouu1ld 20 ~.ndicatc that in a si:~oblc nllDlber. of oper.ations it \",111 ue ~1 I 5.r..1po9~iblc to reduce the !avtlls to tt-JO filblers, no matter how much roOrLny is :Jpe1.1t \j..'".''I1t1 t'.l",,c"t.:) c .r.>..~..l.'..:.:\,0-;~S , the opcrations obviously '\'lould have . . 26 a vexy rough iC:cu at tilis time hot-' l.arge a segment of the I,}"" '" ;',,' , 1 I -.- ..Q.C. 4 'PGGrf4.P,' 4 P'''' ' . , ' t4 .i". P nwsuw. (pi , " __ flt. I.,,", '(tF F',!';}I4'; -:44 S; i 185 , .manufactl1J~inl ind~s~~y wo~ld be affected in t~is manner, put I 2 an estimate of perhaps .1S to 20% GGeDlti ,l;'aas'oni:.\bi1e... 3 Applied to th~" sales of' a b~~lion dO~l:ars, th..I is 4 would ohviously toJork out in thae rang~ of $150 ~,'to $'200 million. S In addit!on~ thexoe ~Ji'.l no doubt bae' c~ses where the 6 t'echnology is n'l~11able' t:~ reduce lovel~ ,:~ b)o fibers, but 1 t"hel:e the cost involved ~)ould DlQl(e a paT.t:i.cular product line G eitber no longc~ profitable or no longo~ competitive on the 9 open tnQ:r~~t against non..asbastos containf.ng products of the 10 same type. 11 In th.~ra ca~eo, the plant or manufacturing oper4tion 12 t'iould alceo be shut clottoJn. This particular type of situation 114 'C~ould also exist at a f:i.ve ..f:J.ber level hopefully. in not as 14 many cases. 13 Tzying to Fut a handle on the potential number of. .1G lost: jobbGn :1i..a9 (!l~tremcly difficult. ~fany small manufacturing 17 opG:tatiollG \"ill. undoubtedly 30 under, but it is nearly u; imvosal.hlc t:o <.lCi:e~:t;!lr.e i:hc .:otal. n1.1mbe~ of mer! e are 1~ f:oJ.k,iog :':lbot!'=. ;:c::t"'.J.1pS 15 to 30 thousand is about as close ZI) \. 21 22 .~n ~';a c"jn co~a aoi: this tj.ma. This t'iould not boa just :fl.nn mam.l:c?aC(;L1:::b,13 but: t~ou1.d be a cOllsidar.at:i.on of. the insulation (;j:adas nnd Qti1C1.' groupp:o! us ~Jel1. 23 The fizur.cs 1. have just mentioned may not seem laxge ?4 tjhen compared to ,\\lhat thoe steel or. automolli.l.e industries tiould 2S have to pay in similar circumstances, but the asbestos industry lb 186 1 in. this count!.'y 1ls much P3maller, and $200 million in equip 2 ment,. another $200 m111ion' ox. more in el~1nating pxoduct..~1ne '.S 3 due to an inabili.ty to inoot t.he two-f:1.ber stan. dard, and 20 .~ I 4 or 25 tllousanCi lost jobs !In onormous chunlcf... t'lf this industr !J For this reason, it is vital that OSI~ give cOnsiderable 5 thought before pzor.o,1l1.llatil1g a Ssttandaarr.d that: even the expcu:to ., agii--ee.oa is not bQ.ad o,:i' sol.id scientific Gvidence :1 Of addit:i.onal cnormo\.tS potential financia'. impact on. 1) ,I the :Lndr.lstry ;J.G the ltl.beling 1.'squireClant -tlG contained in f:he I1II . 1il I1I1 . final. r.ecom.endntions of tha OS}1A Advisor.y CODittea. It 1f I woul.f] ,.~qu;f.~e thG ~1.acin8 of :1 warning labol o~ "ucb and overy 1~ product cOl?tain:1.ng moZ'Q than 5% asbestos by t~e:tgbt. This .e 1~ l4bal whic::h CQnt.tl:1.ns i:he ,vordas: uDo not br.eath dust -- may 11; Cllllse llGLcs toois and cQarr..c.cac:;::t'. IS 1~ Ii~(; ji I1I1 I 1"1 11 't3 I I1~ !I 20 I21 Such .n label \20tll.d sUi:cly oJ?ell the demise of a i -. In addition, asbtH~tO~~-CQ1.'i:li:l.tling pr.OdflCC~ bCC31.tSQ Gii the potential health ~2 hQza~ds iropli~d '.n the ~1amine; lQabbeel, even chougb to the 23 customer n~ such ha2a~d ~xistG. ?4 .I ~ul(l .q.uQGt:J.on tihe'~her. such a label. is, in fact, 25 nccesaary or call.ed for in. tbe majority of as~es:o8-c~ntainin~.  181 in I proaucts. Everyone th~ industr.y and' in th~.madical and . , 2 scient:lfic p~of~Gsion tiho has dealt ~lith the ASbestos health 3 l>:robJ.~lIl over. tho yeol:e i:Is.s ftlmil:tot: ~'itb thoa ~oncQpt of locked- " '.n and non-lacked-in products. A locl;:cd...in 'p;:oduct iG one in 5 toJUiah tb.o asbostos io bound :tntO tha ptcducC: '~~:tth c=ent, I . G asphalt t 'plastic 'or somoa other bind~r which preveuts the 1 escape of frGo ibc% in use. a nltamples of lcu:ked 1n products ~'lou1d be asbes toa 9 cement products and floor tile. Non-locked-in products would tf) be thosQ in ~hich the fibaer is looGely bound and which release ! 11 I fiibbee:rr: during handling 0:;: llppj.:tc~l'i;;.o\l. Most aabestos--contnini 12 I :tnoL'llations \;on:,d gall ~.'t1to thin catcgo1!y., as \':ould fire... j I BD3 II M t t s{:on~.d mc..lt~.Oll thaCi! ~~hil!: i:hci:a is. no labollng ~~ 11 : I I I ~~ I i '17 .~ . . t 18 J inmllat:ton.o tib.:t,ch the:! cO~'la:tdar potcu'l!:iall}" hazardous in use. 19 'nt~ oame ~ppl:"c:; to a. lot of bag a&bOS~03 cement products and ~O E:Lbel! shipmelltS. This t-iLlS a vo!tmtary action on the pa%t of 21 many of the cOn1!.ltlnia-s. :ft.n the industry. 22 'rhe fact of the matf:er is that .thh!!!o:.parceDbof 23 contGnt of f5.bar in a p~oduct has abso.lutely nothing to do t!7it& 24 its ability to create a health problem. An .insulation con- 2& te:trdos .77. Clshcsi:OS :tbe-r T.cqu:i.r.es vor.y ~Qi:eful handling, . . 18 18a . I while an oabostos cement sheet td.th 15% asbestos raquireG . ., 2 . esseDtially nona. . . " ,,,.! Fo~ tbia lr:oou!lttoon, it is only l06j.cal tLlat the . ,,':. ,," 4 Advisory Committee .~c~GndGd labeling sys~em be dlsc4~ded s in favor of a sYstem Wh~;7::1 only " l'equires lQbeling, on those ti products which readily re~ase asbestos fiber in a hazardous f '... I~ 7 quantity dur:i.ng handl:t.ng or 4pp11C::4t:lon. 8 With .~ega~d to the monitoring requi~ts of tha 9 .pl:o.poscd regula,,i:i' ons) I tiould only like to point out that JO thc%G are prob~bly no more than throe dozen trained 1ndus~r1al. ~j t b.yg:ten.:1.sts j.n C~1.Q ont:t:ca cO~~lf:l.Y avriilab12 to industry to rt2 sample antI ana1..:r:~~a nS~QGtoo dust concon!:rationa. OSm\ should , 13 ni?p:..:e.r.!:to.~~o Ch:i.n p:::obl~m becaLtGc of :ii..1t:o0 , ot,'n d:t:tcultics in '.f; :0 (;0 i;his joh, bt'l.c; i_.'~ is go:t.ng to. cQl~e fll1.toh r:.:.ore ti'r.'" th~lia 17 ): m:tBht also point out that Cho cdlua.ast monito;::i.og 1la8 system as rcql1:b:ad in the 1!'esulati.ona ,o-,,ill cost the mmcctttlU- 19 factuJ:ing indus.:r.y a!..onG bat,;:-:aen $3 and {tisS mi11.ion per year, 20 not an exhorbicant m.ml tihMen viewed by itsel.f, but one that 2' adds to an already hca~y financial bu~en on the industzy. 22 As my fj~nl point, ! would like to discuss for a minu.ta {{;;!'htQo medical QS!llcccts of ti:.Q Advisor.y Committee recom" f t rr.cilrlationn. T.h~ :r.ecor.nnendations' ~tnte tl:ai: the [iI"cdical f I  -. - . . -----~-----~-------------.--I1I1I1I1I1I1!I1I1!I1"---- . .-~-- lts9 . .' I I' .~ " se~ted by the QJl1pl~yee,; and that t~e medf.cal r.ecords will 2 be av~ilable only to HE~: and DOL pbysi~ian~' and '':nedical 3 consultants and physicians designated Qunad authorized by the 4 eutployee." 5 You will note , this employe,r. ias by omission pro- ,6 hibited from seaeing ari' employee's medical record, even though . . " f., the employa~ is r.sGponsible under the law for the medical 8 condition of hiD .empJ.oyees. S Under SectioL1 (c) (7) of the Advisory Comm~~ttee ~., I1I1 I 11 I .,!! I I'II11 PS 111- I1II II 1;3 11 ! . 1(3 I 17 I 15 f 19 20 I21 I22 I 1II1 23 . :eenp:i:j~atoj!o i:~ ild:tn moat 7~accnt medical !!:Eam:l1.'11tion indicates" atld thel1 the oaction goes on to tbhE! CGzota.;tn medical criteria. r.eg\ll.~t.ions 1 lla ia prohibj.ted ~om seeing an employee' s medical . zoecords by ~mother section of tba :t"cgulation? This is completel.y illozical and' is ob'Jiously reflcc~ive of the hastea ti:U:h t-Jhich the advlooiy committee ~'1as required to perfo:rm its duty. In addition, how could nn employer conduct a pre- \, :!nt:i~Ja tncdic~,l1Q p3:0Z':ClLil ill his. plant if he allnnot perform C:~Qmiila f:io::ls, no te chnng!! s :tn med :",cal cOl'1d;.I:ions, and counse 1 cmpJ.oyecs? Tha:::e pi::o~rc;lms are in existence in eSFientially ~4 u1.1 manufact;u:~:t~1g companies in the asbestos industry" And I 25 mighc point out: that not: only are employees cOtlnocled on > .,. , i : - A _ U l l Y li 190', 1 possible occupational health problems', but on the' g&ne~al . " . :., , 2 overall health condition as well. ,I' 3 We have hear.d the arguments from.cextsin unions, 4 not necessarily here, but from others~ that i,t should 'be solel 5 up to thG employeo to decide whether or not he is willing to 6 l""t'lt t..ndc:t: the elc'.Gtlng c'ondit:iQns, , whatever they may be. 7 l'r.:ts' simply do~n' n o t ' ." mnka good Genoe, becQt.\sQ. ~.Q: is st~ll the a ~esponsibility cef: tha employer to safoguard tho health of u his p.mployeeG. Hharo the rcopotlsibility lies is wbGre the . . 1t) implementation of tho r~'ledical stll:ve:tllance progrnm sbould be n centered~ and no ptacc elsoa. .' , 12 :iLtt should a'.so be pointad ou.t ti-u'lt a system of tho il type proposed j.n the 1:ecommendations ~~()~ld 'e'ffllctively present l4 future etidemiologica1. studies of 'the asbestos industry, 15 ~ACept on Q very l;mi~cd or local scale. 7he medical records 16 vi~"ll to such studio3 ~iould be distributed smellg thousands of 17 docto::s ~J.J. ~crQSG the country, and recriaval t')o~ld .be virtu- i8 ally impoGsiblc. 1:; LLtl cnrlr.:lus:.i.on, I t'lould like to Gt.vuillai':'ize VGr.y bxiefl Iz:) the 'Ja:::i.ouG fO:;.!!~:3 1. l~a"Ve ati.:cmptcd 1:0 brj.ng out in my p7:e- ~1 1 . :;cn.tacion. ~2 Once. 'he l"oloclt.cal evidence for. es tablishing Eal ~a rlac~n:i.':.')gf\.tl. t:ime-t;eighi:ed ave?:'agc :ts unavailable at this timo. ;!4 'ft-lo. i-io at expe:::ts agree tha f: the bzicf ~ massivVte:! 28 doeos of asbestos fiber. are pr.obably more important in the ',' w _ 21 lid e $ , * I x 191 1, causation of the! disease .t=han contin~~ng. laong..-term, loto or I2 ,modet'ata exposur.-e. Thi'. ':Ls not to preclu~e t~at low exposure 3 over an enormous perio~.o~ time are not 'to b~ considered at 4 sll, but that the one' is more important than ,the otl1er. a rJ' Three. If Q~,lU\ ,prolUulgates 'tj.mo-i,ieighted average 5 lower than j.ve,' the ecoriomic 1.mpact: 01), t~e 5;itdustry ttJill be 1 enO~1nOus. In addition, many asbestos-ccataining products will a probably disappear from the maxk~tplace and thousands of jobs 9 ~ill' 'be eliminated to ,,, Fou:.t:. A lobeelliinags requirement of -the type recommendec1 11 by the OSllA Advisery Committee will r.esult in the unnecessary .' ~l loss of hundreds of millions of doll.ara in sales each year. 13 El1tirc sc~ents of tb.e industry tJilJ. be destroyed, to-lJiith 3~ resultant l.arge-scnlC! unemploy~ent. '15 Five. 'rllhhoa clllGt monitoring pros,:am recommende~ by ~:J .I I;:1 ~;7 I! 1lSS ~t this t~o because of the lack of I..,.J...<",;',.'~'.','.'.'0 -c.. if J .,:.. OL'~.4.."..'l.~. i ... \(.,I1 01.. . 'lhe mcd:i.cal RllrVQil1ance recommendation ,of ~ll ~o Thero tll:e, of cOLlr.se, othor. sections of ,the proposed .' 21 regulations that t)ill create difficulties in addition to those, 22 that I have discussed and these ~'iill be mQnt~one~ by aepar.ate 23 teotifier.s. HOliever, I believe that the points that I have . 24 " covered are the most ~portant, at least to the manufacturing 2S side of the industry. U'-- \-! :''l MAY 1965 U.S DEPA~ .MEHT OF LA3300::1:l WOlhi n9to" RECORDS AUTHENTICATION CERTIFICATE 1/3 I PLAINTIFF'S EXHIBIT AIA-13 li.," I HEREBY ATTEST. lis'" below is a nruue ThaI, c:oP1 the aftlleud copy. Cl of a documear in .chhe uch of orficial the s~c:ified number of copies. of ~:ach cuscod)' aollhe O~p.atUllenc of I..abor. doeamen 1 copy eacb of: Transcripts fro1ll ~Iarch l,lS,16, and 17 Comments and hca~lng exhibits of: W.~_ Nicholson, American Petroleum Institute, D.A. H0o1laaday, Brand Insu14tion Inc., L.3. Bibri, B.J. Pbil1ips(Certain-teed), H.W. Sorow, J.D. Horan(Flintkote), F.L. Pundsack,(J-K), J.ll. RawvUlins,s, "W'..HH. Hancock,(Dov>, W.K. Heue(J-H) E.1-f. Fenner(J-K). E.~. Xillian(Nat. C'YPlt.!m), Cetoh..""!"e Asbestos Produces Co., 1-t.}l. Key I C.E. Best(HCA) SI~~U~Y.N o~!J'IC:"'TITJrE. ~ I~ .~~~ Oaniel ,l~rsick DIVISION AND BUREAU DATE Docket Office/Tecbnic41 Data Center/Oecup. Sfey & Hlth Adm./ Tuchni Information S~eeialist U.S5. Dept. of Labor 7 Sep 78 1 HERESY CERTIFY, Thba.I, Daniel J. j'iarsick who .ii&&nn~~cdl tbe lorelolna anesctadon. i. now and was al' 'cbbe lime of .aii,,nnin, (ride) Technical Information Specialist anc! haas, le,a! c".cody of ctbbe o!lic:ial recorda oCl'c'chhe: United StalU O~patCme"nc of aeur .cted an"ecllllbbat tlllll&icl~ aDeI c:rCllh .holllid be ,hen cohi. act aucb. IN WITNESS l'HER~OF.1 J. J. Larranch1se --'ul, dcusli,,n,,aal,e,cdl by the Secretary of Labort a. Au,chheeDacei. --- .... ~,!,J,,~~'.r~ FOIt !::r-C~t:;:e r;\ .... P:;.Oi\J~::L> i\Uia j,u-.?':!iiG ---- 19'1? -- -.-. -,..u--=-.......-.:....... -:c S Co~:er~nce ~~w -_...'.v... I"t,..~......t..':...:.~..-..~..~\i,i .;...._ ~". AU:_;A..'..w...-..' tI.:. l~th ~ Co~~~1t~~ic~ AY~.I t!=t;l.,in~.;ton .. =i~(jUlr.~a.~!' J j=Z::-ch 10, l~i7~ ,. -' . . r.~,;eQ . \ 1 l5 or .I")d"isa:y eC. on I\S~~~f;OS ,-.\ ; .i:! :' , ! -" . , : " " " 0: !: '; ~ G ~; " I:" I i :i ~ ;" , !0;' 9 i::, ..I!iI' .,.,r- il : i I,-.t J"1! , , ... I'\' : I: I~ ~" i' ."..... i: .... I " " ~.!ln~s GO!..!)ZSC;: (2 :00 p .t:1.) On the record - , -IS is All right, l-!r. Fay and 1-1r. Suetonic. FJ:.Y: t!y nc:!: i:; Alul2!': Ili. F'3j. ! am Vic!! Pl:e:;id3n:: of tr.e Gold = Eo.. 3t:ildi::; ?rcch.:c:ts Division of tile ha:'3 toas!' in my e!l~.::c:ity as p:asid~n!: of the A:'.Jes tos !n:o~ei"n Asscc:i~tion of nort!l }.:a::ic:~, locOlted in Net., Yoe: City. Th3 As~e$tos !nfo.-=~tion Assec:iation is co:prised of tt~:! lve of tho n4 tiiCc:l f sS l.r:&cs ~ Qina~.s, c:ttlufac ture:s "nod importers of asuestos Qnd a~uestos~cont~ining products. The m~~~ar co~panies of the associction a:e listed on a fact .. , , , " ., "" 0 t i :i . .: ,, 0': -.",- :,- :(~ : " -, :'.-1 .";:; "i" ' ~~ i,0t :Qll?~', ! \~ould lil<e 1::) &)T.iafly sketch for you Q gener:tl pi:- ==~.:C! of the si::!! .and scop~ of the i:S&l9S tcs indus try in th: Fa:~lC! c:A:?loyed, ~nd other factozs thet t~ill help pOSition tl ~~.;c:::cs ;:~nufact:\1ring ir.duttry in the ec:ono:1ic and social s~~uctu~c of thi~ ~ountry: I should :entioncd Llcfo'%:C! pIocC!C!din~ thaact Cthhe ... -. ........ .' -....~ . ,. -- - -:- .., 172 .' can~f~cturin$ sido of tha incu3try, and do:s no: include det:i!ed infor:ation on industry usin; finished as~a~tcs .. ': : ...' ,j ... I ,I ' ...~ : I; ~ .,..:., :!., " ".j .,-. ..,: " , " !. , j: ~. t; .. j, : .:. .. P::)Qucts, $\:cb alS the construction industry or tbe ir:sul~tic, inorganic hydrated silicate miner~ls that havo one e~on att=ih~te, r.'~11y, th~ ability to b~ sC!pa%acod into =olative soft, 3i11::''::1I fibe:s. '!'he! throe cost co=only u!;(!d vn~ie~ies of asbestos ~rD eh:ysotilo, crocidolita, 0% blue fic~= Qod It is i=port~nt to n~te th~t chrysotile acc~u~ts ic more than 981. of the total annual United Stata~ cQns~~ptiQn of ~sb:sto~. In th~ p~st, c:ocidolite ~nd a~osit(! ~~r(! used Th~ lead~~3 p=ocluCQ~s of ch~ysotila i~ar are Canada and tha SO','i:!\: Union, \lith S:I!lcllar deposits "aiDg !.ound in South ~ -, in SO;Jth Jlfric:l. . , .. I . ~ ... .,.~ "" ;. " ::~. '0 j' .. :r.~ II!' E,. Tha tctal ilnnt.lOl uo~ld p~ocl\!ction of ilsba~tos 1~ ~:;:=:.l11d 4 oilli,=,n tOl~:t, ,,ith C~~ndian produc t10n accounting" fo ailc:,'H!!: 3)7. of thC! tot::l, ~nd the: United States ebout 37.. 'The! pt'o~l!l:tic:s -of a~bcs tos tha I: givC! i t co--rn:cl:al . .,H.... - _..... '" va '_."..~_ ~ ~~-~_- l.-~s -~l.b~_ous :tructu...~.: thf.t. o~J-.e~.l'. .'" t.~.. ,n..p..iln- st--.~...-.g~'"h of th~ ibc~s and its resistance to high tQQpar~tu:QS and to 175 jU:;G th~ tot~l Qconc:ic v~lua of th2 ascestos ind~st=y to ... " .-, "! " " S " !: t: .. ,"i .: .. I :, ~ " t: '" : ..J " " " : ~a "~! :i, :, ..: :", ..-., ,I ,! ....;1' .,.... :i '., , : ;5 , ~ ;: '3 :i ,_,.. , ::. : '"'!I e;!- , ..... I,I !' , , i, ~~ : .' f . ~ ': ..., " ,. t l ;" 1 bce substcntial. :or exn~ple, it has ~cen estic~ted that e~~ :':lSl.!lltion t::c::!::u 31o~Q inuolvo 40,000 Qen t'1ho spl!nd at le:u a qCCl:te: of !:!-~ir ti::a t'ic::lc.i~; t:lith asbb/e! s tos-c:ont3in:'::g cle:la~s in ~sbQstos pr~~ucts. I t is ~p~ssiQle to cCllculat~ ~~la of ~s:3~t~-co=~~ioing products, bu~ it is cert3inly in tha hun:5::ads of m1.l3.ioils of dollars. 0= If O=a adds in thoe value se~vic~ss ~china:y) _...,......,. Q3terials ~n~ otr.3r cc~o~ities purchaSl!d ~y the asbesto 3hi:~3nt of finishad aobesto3 p:oducts, t!~ total ocor.c~ic c:nt:~ib\!tion of tho-industr; to tl~~ nation r 3 oc:ono:JY \iould tho li..alihood of at least hltllf n million t-:aga earnC!:'s au:!i t:"O:2 o~ f;hQ ascas!:os l.ndust:t'y to the! nation is subst:tntial. In adcliticn to tha C3ny and v~riad lifesaving r. ;. 175 i, t : .'., of %cason:lbla :!t.nnd feasihle oect:,,:t:ion~l be:11th st::nc::d~ :::= ... ... f,.' ' , ~ ", :., i .; i Ou: in:iustry is ccop:!~::t"..ng :u11y t:ith tl'1.G I.::t:hur I " l ~ :,. i: j :0 !:.:~o by OSHA. He ~rc :111 wo~l:.inS ha=d to develop p:ac:i::t'! It ~;:'0 ~iZt:::::!!l.:l!: to tl-.!! pOCot1:::f.:11 (!co:lo~ic af!act: of the p:oposed ~~ "i ra;u1aeions on our incastry. Xo d3ce, ~a ~ve bean able to .. i~. C~~ o:'!ly r~ush cetifftatas. In 8~n:!r:l~ thoey shou aCl cost to it t~ incuStr7 of appro~icaf:ely $200 millicn in ..en, C!ct,uip::nt to C:O=1'l1 'a:i.th tb! proposed s t3ndard of a,o fibbae.rrs pal: cubi::: p~oposca regulations would also p:oduCQ a lo~s in sales of :It la:!st :~400 cillion b('~c::usa of t:te i~~bbae.lliinn~ %cQ.uuC!=~nt:1 , f~~:ib1~ in c~ny opo~~tion!:, ~nd th~t if such a ~~ndsrd is "'. !. -..~ I ; .... i~ .-'