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Ti Marinor Page 65 .. 1 government generally. 2 Itinc)ude$,<h6jweVer;iwithih it a 3 subsetwhtchisthe'ioterestgroups,that were ;. 4 involved in any particular 'governmental 5 dispute. Now* I did.niot know at tbat time tnore 6 than the interest groups that werejpyolved in.. 7 asbestos litigatioo or asbestostdifficulties at 8 that. time.- 9 So, attentive public is a wide 10 term. It's1 really.by opposition.to. " 11 inattentive....-.: j-s 12 Q. As you just.said, a small. . . 13 proportion of the American public is.attentive?:. 14 A. . In that sense^that.pays regular 15 attention to American.government. - ...... 16 Qj-.? pnortlftii.97S!rj!lMI*0(|lft:j .i *. 17 if I'm wEeng -- you're, tellin&me that.you did , 18 not know more than tbe interest.groups who w.erp 19 having a dispute oyer-this issue of asbestos? H-,-.- 20 A.v Absolutely* correct.' ; 21 Q. But youlcnew morethan the public .. 22 who generally rcads.the newspapers;and pays.. ' 23 attention tOithese disputes in the-media? 24 ! <Ai JUghC; Correct.: , - - a: 25 ; at.Yale, just summarize'for. .5 Page 67 1 smoking. So, any discussion of smoking would.' 2 have also involved the discussion of asbestos 3 that goes way back. People who were involved 4 with tobacco regulation would go back to the 5 Surgeon General's report as one basis, and then 6 secondly, they would go back to Selikoff's work 7 and bring up the interaction between smoking 8 and asbestos. 9 So, in many ways* to the extent 10 asbestos was connected to the world of work and 11 threats to health or .air pollution and threats 12 to health, contamination, all of those ways 13 were ones that .were part of the subject matter .; 14 of that research group, and at the same time, I 15 was the editor of the Journal of Health.. .. 16 Politics, Policy and Law. So, articles were 17 coming in.that I would have to decide where 18 they, would be evaluated, raised at.this time. 19 Not all the.time, not dominantly, but-som-e of . 20 the time were about the same subject of the 21 nonmedical care determinants ofhealth that 22 fell under the environmental and occupational 23 field. 24 Q. . During your time at Yale, have ': 25 you taught specific classes where you discussed >' Page 66 1 me please.what you learned at Yale regarding .. , , 2 this-issue ofthe dangers of asbestos,and'how 3 the disputing groups resplyed .those issues? 4 A. , These y ears that I was. th.e head 5 of the Center for Health Studies,-Were.ones in 6 which I was paying special attention to all of 7 the areas inWhich health was;being:.challenged. 8 and health improvements,werejbfingiadvertised 9 as possibly uWe pJtidtattentiOn .to;the world.of 10 work.; 3Yejpald attentiondo the world of >-j: <u~:. : 11 physical environment. WepaiidLaitention. to . 12 persoual hab.jts like smoking. - ? v 13 . , ,All<tb roughthot, time, I.was in .. . 14 contact withtheenvirionm^ntalhealthgroup.at 15 Yale. For instance,, they'tverepart of.our 16 audience at our regular weekly seminars, ,We 17 had a seminar for two years on regulation, 18 regulation and the,world. ofhealth. So, that's 19 where the regulationyof;coal came up, and In.. 20 connection. wXth4hat,'-with.air,pollution, so: . 21 cameup the.discussions ofco.nnections, claims: . 22 about cancer:an,d.also-with respect to smoking.. 23 So, you can imagine by this time 24 it was widely, accepted that there was a 25 multiplicative connection between asbestos and Page 68 I the topic of asbestos? < 2 A. I've taught for some time a 3 course on health, on Welfare State politics. 4 Sometimes only on health and healthcare 5 politics, and in Welfare State health politics. 6 I would have used at that time asbestos as an 7 example ofby thattimean accepted carcinogen 8 as one^of theareas that raise.questions about: 9 what form-of regulation made sense for.: . 10 Q. Wasithat.one of.many examples?,-. 11 A.. Yes, there was uot an.area of my 12 concentration^ that point. 13 Q. When did asbestos become an area 14 of your concentration? 15 A. Well, in part, this is relevant 16 to the sequence here too. In 1985, 1 was made 17 a fellow, of the Canadian Institute for Advanced 18 Research.. That was a fellowship which gave me 19 for five years:complete freedom to do whatever 20 I wanted to.do, but.the unit to which ! was 21 assigned or the unit that gave me the . 22 fellowship was called the Population Health 23 Group in the Canadian Institute for Advanced 24 Research. 25 That group was sixteen scholars; POHLMAN REPORTING COMPANY (314)421-0099 17 (Pages 65 to 68)