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I ! 1 ib'lH JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT 2 PaRISH uF IBERV1 LLE 3 3TA18 UR LuUISIAiSA 4 3 ...................................................................................X 6 LUKltAlnt PiGUY WILLIAMS : 7 VS. : AO. 39,404 8 McCARTY CURP., 51 AL 9 : DIVISION "li" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- j 10 11 TESTIMONY OF DR. JOHN T. LEONE 12 13 14 Transcript or the uboYe-entitieu proceeding 15 came on For nearing in Open Court at tne Parish 16 Courthouse located in Planuemine, iberviile Rarisn, 17 Louisiana, on the 13th aay of January, 1992. 18 .THE HONORABLE JACL T. MAAluNNEAUX, JllbGt, PRESIDING. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 19 20 APPEARANCES: 21 fuK TtlL PLAINTIFF: ' 22 23 24 25 26 GEUkGE R. CUVEKT, ESQ. P. 0. BOX 82080 BATON ROUGE, LA 70884-2U8O RUBEKT E. KLEInPETER, ESQ. ALLAN SHARTZBERG, ESQ. John c. ckIjuE, ESQ. KLEINPETER, SWARTZBERG 8 STEVENS 6iy jeiferson hwy., Su. 2-n Baton Rouge, LA 70806 27 FOR THE DEFENDANTS: 28 (uvena-ijorma;j 29 CLkALD J. TALdOT, EnoLEMLE 6 KELLEHER 6U1 poydras St., Su. ZiOll New Orleans, LA 7U130 30 TONI P. luURGEUIo 31 CeRTIFIiLi GENERAL COURT RoPOR'IER I 1 EXX-MOR-OOI304 'tAr.--u\eu5 i'UK LEr laIjaa i 3 uUWT liiULi.: {Low CnetucalJ UAlsicL oAHObi-, 31}. MATHEWS, ATXLNSOii, GUGLiEbAO MARES <4 Lrtl 52U Somerrulos Si. iaton Rouge, LA. 7US21 {.Exxon J {nabcock. t, niisonj GARY A. otiET, L3l}. LEAiN, MILLER HAWThOlLNE, U'AKKONU, HClGWaR 6 JARMAN Una American Place, 22nd Floor Salon Rouj,e, LA 7uK2i DAVID H. LEDYARD, ESl}. SlAUfiG, Plt'MiS, AhLSUiN 0 olaSELL San Jacinto Building Eeauiuont, TA 777uj. JUHA SALCn , ESQ. BLUE, WILLIAMS tj BUCKLEY 34gl A. Causeway diva., Su. Metairie, LA 70002 iuOu I EXX-MOR-001305 1 2 3 4 mu 5 6 7 KL- k- hlu'.i-kS______________________________LikfcCT 0X053 LIkt.LT LKG5S 8 Lk. jOi.N 1. LhUf.t *1 45 41 Hi 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 29 30 31 | i I I l i ] i i i EXX-MOR-OOI306 1 2 Uhl'lulAL FRuLubD1KL5 Li* JAKLAXl 13, 111,1 3 4 H.l LLLKT: Next witi.LSs. 5 Mi. LLLfAkl;: 1 call to the 6 stand Dr. Ltoat. 7 8 DR. JGlih T. LliOKt, navini, been lint auly sworn, was 9 Liitinto aim tustiiieo as iclluws: 10 11 DlKi.LT LAAKIKAIIlN 12 13 IT kk. LbblAkD: 14 kuaiif yiiifa: 15 L houlo you state your tame ami aaaross tor the jury, 16 please? 17 A My name is Dr. Jonn 1. Ltor.e . 1 currently rtsiue in 18 Austin, Texas. 6101 Mercedes Lena, Austin, Texas. 19 L iiow old a mar. are you, uoctor? 20 A My ajje is seventy-one. 21 L hhat is your current position? Are you employee? 22 A hell, 1 woulo have to say I'm not employed, but I'm 23 very active as a volunteer with the American 24 Association ol Retiree, persons, the ART, as the area 25 vice-president lor area seven, which is a five state 26 area. I'm one of the lean volunteers with our 27 vwj.unicels --with out program looking after our people wlio are members of AKF. 29 ti he, you retired auo then went to work? 30 A i'es. 1 have a pretty active, full-time volunteer 31 1 I I i I i i li I I EXX-MOR-OOI307 LK . jbr.K 1. LhL'Nh pOSitiou, v.nicl; 1 enjoy ouiaa very cucL. G Let us to U.rcut.1: youi puali iicatior.s Iruil; ano tell me jury iirst a little bit about your educational Lnckbiuund. A l.y euuoai.ioL.al backsicuno it 1 litiisl.ua bt. evens on hipli bulicol ir. New lora, a scientiiic propram, entered Lolumtin Lolltpe . keculvtu a bachelor's u=arte in prt-a.ec., then er.toreu Lonp island collude - oi laeuicitit, wl.ici. is r.uw Luwn Statu bt.ivursity ot Net. icik lot my meciunl utbrtt, which is a L.L. aebret. Latei 1 u,ualiiitu as a llitiit suiptun it. the Ait lores, l.avir.p attenotu Kanoolpk Air Forut Last as.a ili6ht surtecr. ar.o ^ualiliecl as a tlipht surgeon in the military. G hhat was your rank ir. the military? A My rank in the military was colonel. 1 strvea two years ct active uut) curinb hcrla har II. llier. 1 . stayeci active with Air National Guard, havir.p evtn served with the' Louisiana National Guard later on and was recalleo ourinp the Korean her campaign tor an additional 'two. year period and completed over twenty-three years ol either active or AiT National Guard outy as a lli6ht surpton ar.a hospital commander. A leu nave uoikci. Iv.. u.ai./ jeais for nxxon, nave you' not? A its. I startec a carter woikinp loi taxon ir. 114/ ano then retirea in 11SS. EXX-MOR-OOI308 Uhl. 'i. LLOhl. * c- Are >uu CLitilitu xi, any particuiai subjects, Locicr? ' its. My certification ls.Ly the American Lcarc cl Specialization ant the AEtiican hoaro of I-reventiVt keeicmt with a sLt-;fLHiU) in oocuj.ai 1 onal neoicilia. So, preventive meoicinc ane occupational mtaicint? lti. `11.0 koarc is preventive i.cuicii.t, Audio.!, heart tl fitv entire Mecicine, thiol, has inrot sab- Specialties, which oi t aviation iLccicir.e, peliie health aiio occupational L-eeicinc. -Ar.u in yooi employment till-, kxxcn was inert a particular area of medicine tLat you icicuseo on anc. specializec in? hell, my specialization was occupational anu environmental health. Have you been involvtc with professional organizations as a physician? Its. I ccnrir.ueu in o> --with my professional affiliations, not only the American Metical Association, but with tr.e State Metical Association in the specialty fielu. I'm ctrtilitc as a fellow In tlit Amtiican Uccupaticn Meaical Association, American Preventive Medicine, ano American Acaueiuj of occupation Mtuicine, which are tlirtt u,ai' organizations creaitin; icoiviuuals who specialize in occupation meoicine. have you publisheo tzticles in the fields of I i ah. uLl.h 1* LilLhi. preventive lufcLiciI.t SUc Ol-LLi.itaLI.bi tr.Vi 1 Ll.iiClitil nicuicii.c? ' A Its. 11Vt published it ltast a hill Qi uczer. articles in tie liclc ci LCLLj.itiLr.il luecicine, as V. L 11 iS SJ.-cV.bl. to J,rtLpS LL specialization ana cccLpitior.il aecicint, incluoir.,, teachings both by ippOilltLCIltb it lulil.t LCI.LLl ci toliic htiltll anc currtr.tly as an ac.jLr.ct associate piLicssui at Hit . University ci Ttxas SllooI ci LllIil litnitn in loti, l.oustoii anc San Ai.tLr.lL. I'.K. LtLlAkL: lour l.ur.Lr, tt . woula tender L'r. Leant as ar. expert in tht lielc - -selective titles ct Preventive istLicine anc occupational and environmental r.toicir.e. Mi. hLLlhFLTtk: Its, lour ' honor, it'll stipulate to his expertise. IhL llLKT: hfc'll be ijUalitieu. . .- I hit. LfcLlAKli-COhTlMJtS hlTh IllKtCT EXAiilKAl 1LS) V Lr. Locr.c, you tciii .lsci. you starttc with hxxGr. ii.1 the late 194L's. hhat v.as your position initially with Lxxon? A initially 1 started with tht Standard L'il Company c . EXX-MOR-001310 1 bh. Jui-.i, 1. LLbhb 2 -B- 3 hew Jcist) it Layhum Heiinery as a rlant physiciai.. 4 1 tninl. you realiitu that tl.f ctuipir.) underwent iou 5 mergers unu name chih^ti, but at that ULt it was 6 S.L. itui.uaru ui hew Jtrsty that 1 startec kith, 7 which was the. afliliatL ct tht htanuarc Oil Company 8 ui hew Jersey. g L, oiu ytu base occasion in yooi employment to 10 ultiL.ate.ly La Lrar.si trrtt, or transieiteo tc Uit n uaton Kuube Lxxor. Heiiuery? 12 A Its. I rtttivtL a promotion ar.o was assibneo to ti.e 13 Eaton heuye kefintry ir, 1917, at which time I was 14 6iven a position as assistant medical uirtctoi in 15 the medical department at the baton House Ktiintry. 16 I, And how many ytars weie you ir, Lator. koubt in that 17 stretch of time? 18 A 1 left that assignment the early part of lbbo to po 19 with the parent company in hey. lork lor an 20 inucctrinatiou, accepting a position as medical 21 onector ior b.0. Libya before 1 went to Triple h 22 Libya to set up an occupational health program at 23 that time. 24 C hi.on you retiree irum ti,e uompar.) what was your 25 - position with the company? 26 A hlien 1 retired from the company in hecembcr , 1SEE 1 27 n C.w wCwlwal ultcv.lvi uL j;AAUii OO liouston cilice. "u5A ill LflC 29 i, how, let's bo bach ana talk a little bit more about 30 the years that you wtre a physician in the baton 31 i i EXX-MOR-001311 I Lh. jhi.h *1 LLL..1 ! j ho u g e itiiiicr> lor hxxoi.. 1 ttiitvt you statue it was 1 r o m the yurs about rii/ to about l&ti, is teat ' n0ht? A 'Iliat1a correct . w ooi iu6 those years what was "Ot.ai ty^e ol medicine- wars you tocusir.g or. or what were --what type ul hLik ot.ro you aj-ociaimii,, ir.? A hell, ass i Dnwci.t at that time iii ti.t Laton hedge heLineiy was to overlook me metical examination j.ro^rac, look altti the emergency room. r.o l.ao a uisaster plan in the relinery. 1 was responsible lor locking alter disaster anu special treatment ol mass causalities because ct my military background ana lock alter the monitoring ar.o examination ol our employees as they cane in lor their health examinations. h leu mtntiontc occupational medicine a moment ago ar.u preventive mtcicine. Lan you just tell the jury brietly what that encompasses? A Well, the tielu ol . occupational mecicine is a specialty ar.o it's a brai.cl. o medicine which coals with looking alter the Health ol an inclvioual in ' relation to their work environment. k hhen you got to the baton Kouge reiir.ery die they i j i j ! !' I | j I ! already navea medical uepartment set up and . o^erutin*? A Its. Tnere was a full staff of jhysi cians, nursts, ttcnnicians . It was a full-tinjt medical department I I * EXX-MOR-001312 Ul.h " . LhuNi. -lb- mac was ir. operation anu u>l been iti kii.) , uar.y. yuars, well estn bi isi.tu. ' Lc ) li ,.now 1, gw many ftii i that tut baton Ka,,t. reiinery hat. l>u it's tan un-site medical stall? 1 believe tht history would show at the inception oi tat- ruiii.ery -when it v.nb built sometime aitei boric wai 1 htriou, peihars 151/, 151b, lottulitic ir. that uit lrame, tuty ciu establish a mtuical ucj.artt.tnt with n.c start-up oi the ietinevy. Sc., to my l.nowleuae it was a continuous o,.tratiui, sinut the start-up. hot's oiscuss a little hit how tilt --how the medical department was sot up. 1 believe you said you kbit au assistant plant physician. Liu you report to a plant physician? ho. The position is assistant medical eirectoi . he hau a medical oiiectcr in the cepaitment, who was the ctpartmtnt head ane 1 reporteo to the department rieac wr.c was the medical oirector. Ane who woulu the medical director rtport to? The ueaical oirector reported to the manager c the reiinery. As a department he reporteo to a manager. Now, within the meaical department was their also when you came in 1557 an established inuustrial hy0ici,e uepaiwmunt'l les, tutre was ar. cstablisl.ee industrial hygienist as a member oi the medical department at that tune, has the industrial hygiene utpaitment physically ,,U.h . i-huhi. I.OLitL hitll the liCUiCal Utj.iirUol.lit? On, )fcS. lilt UiiiUStrUl li) ,,i Ll.it l Wilt j-Ull ot tliL ietuical utrartiiieiit av.u wan Hi the anti it cl ti*c HilwiiiwX Alia wnu was --who was in char a6 cl tht industrial hygiene utj.arui.tiit? 'U.t industrial hygienist was tree S. Yti.uLlt. All ri^lit. I.oi,, wulIc iit also rtport tc tut lucuical director? Yes. Hie way tht or tar.nat ici. was established tut iucustrial h) = ier.ist rt|.oittL tc the uecical airtctoi . bo ht rtporttc to the saint j.fcri&1'` you rtporttc to? Hiat.1 s correct. So, 1 take it tht- iLecical ut pul tiatiit ar.L .the industrial ayyient utpailiuti.t wcrkto closely together in tJitst years? Its. 1 wculu perhaps saait a little uiiiertntly. Ihe industrial hygienist was on tilt stair anc a itcitfcer ci tlit mtcicul ctpai uuent . It was one in tht saiue uopartuont. All r i fcls t. liic you have occasion to have dost contact with tne industrial hygienist? Oh, yts. 1 saw tht industrial hyaienist 1 woulu say alc-oct on o early* basts m ti.e ucj.m Liutuo. huw, in ciscussinj. tht ueuical pro&raiu one ol tht tilings you mtnticr.ee was --that tell unoti your rtspunsiuiiity was tht physical alia tilt lueuieal I 1 Ljv 2 * IiLLuL * ii' 3 monitor n,0 prcmi'am, is that ri^iit? 4 A Hi. he lii-u an uhaoii,,,' program ot physical 5 examination ul our employees on a regular scheuulto 6 basis that they were ashed Lb come ir. --ana, of 7 bourse, it kts a voluntary prosium, but we uttered 8 complete rh)5iLtl txaminatior.s to our employees on a 9 Ujtli.: basis . 10 t, li.tre' s Leen a roiertr.ct to metical surveillance. 11 that ones meuical sUTveiliui.ee iitar.7 12 A hail, meeical suiveillance means to evaluate the 13 health oi the iiioiviuual ir, rtlationshit to tr.t work 14 environment ai.o overlook tl.o per.eral health ai.o at 15 the samt time rtcotr.iie any neee for either change 16 in personal habits or titutmaj.t tor ah) particular 17 early detection ot any health problem. 18 i( hlien people cane to the --when people iirst came to 19 woTk tor hxxcr. oic they rtceive pre-employment 20 physical? 21 A its. Our stancaro piactice vas do a complete pre 22 placement, as at calico it, ar, examination to 23 evaluate tl.e physical conoitior. arc look at the type 24 oi job assignment they hau to see that they wert 25 ' capable oi perlcrminp lrom the piiysical stanopoint 26 tbe required tasks ot the physician, 27 t. 'iioulo that pre-employment physical pivt you a bast 28 or S'Laais by which iuture examinations coulc be 29 cheLkeu against to sec it there was anythin^ j,cihp 30 or, ir. the work environment? 31 EXX-MOR-001315 Lh jU'iih 1 khUna r> \ eS , boCaLso the I bill ViiLl Cl . a L " p laoO Ob n t exumination is to start a ' cos^Ulc i.istciy ar.u physical as tht Lasis tor latoi ucoinb tc the histor/ ai.o physical tircir.gs, sc >ca work oevtloping a com^lett fictile ot ike ii.oivieual as iai as tn.tir healtli coneition is cor.cerneG. k Ico t.enticnte ikat ci.c cl ike things yoo wcule cc is evaluate liit jot ckaracltrislic that a person was 0uiii,, lo be g-laofcu it. li. other'wares, woaio you - -wcule ii be r.otec 11 a ptisan was ^ain,, lo be ooHib work with --involving noise ci lanes or cost or any other kino ot potential problem? A 1 toii't believe 1 undeistoea yoor i,utstion. fleast repeal ii. k It's probably bboaLsc i icr.o to - A It's all right. Maybt 1 wasn't concentrating enough. k hkeri people were l.irec and were going to be- sent into oiiiertnt jobs tkroo4nout the reiinery had UiOSb joLs been evaluated by tke potential exposures or nataros with those jobs? A bell, yes, tht physical r tpu i r extent s to the jobs Were known to the tiaxsii.ing physician ano we woolu then look at tke physical capacities ol the iuuiviouais to be able to pertoru wiiat was ret,uireu o then. In othtr worts, it was a matching tc see that they Were physically capable oi perixenning the jCb EXX-MOR-001316 ah . JUL-. T. UlM. " 1.0 ~ l, Ali Il0l.t. i\CU, l.uYil.j, uOhfc that 11 a ptrsoh LW.U Hi let a lU^Ulal pli)Siu*l WGUlC you mukt Special note el ti:t tact that it the ptrsen hau auTkeu in, say , a noisy jC.L, or a jol kith iumts, or a yob kith oust, sl that > ou coulu pay particular attrition to taut khor. LDii;D the physiual? A l'es. At the time the inciviGual coot in ter the ptiictiL health exuuinatiur. one c tot i ct,oi rtuuiits 01. tui ioiit k_5 to inuiuate any artis antic they C 1 Ju ti V. ,, S(- ii it V. oi a t,uestior. oi a potential LX^UbUlt to r.oiL ci oLst tlie examining physician VeOLlli kivefc aliU aoulG call attention to that particular conctri. ae miglit havt tc look aitei evaluating tile healtlt oi that iuuiviuoal. t< You nay not knoa this it you ton 11 tine, oc you have any iota o hoamanyemployees aoikeo at the Exxon ' Refinery in thoseyears that you vtrt in charge of auministering this medical surveillance program? A Its. in ruuno numbers at the time 1 reported in 1 &b7 in that position at had approximately seven tnousaiiu employees in the rolineiy ano chemical plant anich aas all part oi the same complex unit. it Ai.e this metical physical examination, meuicul surveillance program, aas something you aere in wiiSv I Uki A hi, 1 aas . h Kua, aid these physical ir.cluot the regular taking cl x-rays? I I EXX-MOR-001317 it/l.h 1. UUU\i. "ii" \ta. It kia liutll.t lb obtain a dhtil fli) Cl, tiled! e UiL.1 hi 1 i Ol.S , -' new, LU ;tL 11) IT ClL )UU Ida V L peCglt tUtlC it the relintry tuat itai tit x-rays ate interpret it ll.i-L.dt.lVLi or r.ou kill tl.il hunuli-u? All n li.i i-rji Ktri ma a uritter. ropcit oiven L> a tcrtilitii rauiclCtist, a specialist ui.c ki/S trainm ir. limit,,) . hualu lint L-e ILLtlte; tl.it vtiUt Lit Iuli. ci iiu.iC.oi) that ktilti in ha tor. kti6c that null tut Ii, on a CililiiCt basis? It ns ci. a cuntiact hiiii. Ihcy mi not employees 01 tl.t conpar.y. Su, you got an uutsiui raciclo4ist to coui lu anu reao your x-rays? ' Tes . Anti then if ht rej-ortic anythin), suspicious or ii In hue a question M.at null be uont? hvtry interpretation oi the x-iay uas cictateu, typeu up ai-.o uas given as a report ihat the laboratory lincings on tuat ir.aiviuual. The t-uy report uus incluoec am that v.ti.1 to the examining physioiui. nho then hau the iaciolobist rtpon oi the timings on that x-ray. ii lime kid anythin,, that nit neeu&i to be cueckei out mule then the industrial h>sitne department bel involved? hell, ii kt idem anythin,, abi.cin.al on the l-lay anu I 1 LK. Juhh 1. LiiliM -io- 2 3 li Co ill. u tc tr.e attention ci the physician he 4 lIuIoLcicIcl/ 111 Hi. WCLiL j.lcluLl) CCI.SLlt kill. li.C 5 i i*u i ui c iat ui. mat CaL , RnuainB tilt clini Uc.1 6 tn.tiiUfcii LI.L itview tiiat ,, ai.c it thert Wat all) 7 ^uettien . *-1 coliat, tlit ir.custrial WaS a iln Liou,,ht ii.ic ii.). uiscussien ii; view ci the g alnurnial report. U lou iLehtici.ee mil ii. those years, 1 i.7 to '(.1, at 10 11 ah) 6iver. liue the work loice involveu approximately 12 sevtii thousand? 13 A lea, uppicx.iL.atbi/ that hULt.tr . 14 t, lr. those years anile you aere ii. laton RouBe uio you 15 ever lino any evidence ot as'ttstcsis ? 16 A Re , 1 uiu not. 17 t, Uia you ever lino any tv iuence ct lun^ cancer that 18 has in any aay associatee ih anyone's nine kith 19 occupational exposuit? 20 A Ro, ae aio not curing that perioc. 21 p licrt you aaart ol any inciutnce ot mesothelioma? 22 A No. Rene fiat been ieportea all ourinp, that period. 23 t, . Roa, in ilit years that ycu aert in batch Kou^t- in 24 ' S? ana 1 u 1 atrt you evtr. aaare that nsbestosis 25 toula cause mesothelioma? 26 A Ro, aurinp that tine raise you mentioned it was nut 27 --none. 26 C, .`.ct', at Leu.iu.ta -~i mentioned asLesroais a mument 29 aBo. lou inuicateu that thert aere no evidence oi 30 any asLestosis. In ycur experience is asbestosis 31 I EXX-MOR-001319 oh . jUhl. 1 . hbhl\L '1> somethin* you can ,,tt iii &lit* lu;.b ana i,*t chi. ether lu, c,.reui clear anc. noimal cn x-ray? A 1 wcalc novel anticipate jest the ur.iiattial er.e lei.;, involvment, because any breatnir.j, you no chrouali clie respiratory tiach you're tailing about tne tiiii biunchus civiuinj, in two a;.c there'a no way ie separate any movement ol die air lion. one siue to the otne'r, sc 1 woclc have to say it koolo nave to he --it kuoie have to involve both lobes c! the luii^ . i, how, kt've been talhiiii, about cneSe physicals am. the iact tiiat they keit set up tor all ci these . thousanas ci Exxon employees. Lie you atttn.Lt to try to oo pnysicals, sucJ. as you cere Goint ior the- Exxon employees, lor tht incepcneer.t contractors' employees who mi^ht come into the plant on occasion? A No, we never uiu any physicals on contractor employees. he Lac no records on them. he hac no base lino stuc.ies- ana we uieu't have access to thee on a regular basis. ho r.tvtr uia examine contractors. h Those people voulo not have teen your employees, ritUt? A ho, they were not. They were not on Exxon payroll ana we were only responsible ior tne examinations oi emp-loyc-co. -* ' ho, ior someone that came on with the plant temporarily i`oi a short construction yet anc then EXX-MOR-OOI320 LK 1. Li-LA\L lfc* .1 lu.il lbair., > CL UfcUlOr.'t li.VL UI.) uCCeSS 1C a physical that tiity may Lave leLiiviL ac.Citul.eie else rir ti.tir employment kill. Lxaon, ri^Lt: A Lt., ue uolIc nave no ifateicai rtcoros at all, no reports, no lecores. c, Low, il.t Lino oi worker tLai ucolo cone into iLt plant temporarily one oo 5000 job a no tLtn leave abain, noulc Love, iron, a practical stancpcir.t , llit ability to follow up or. that employee at 0 later C it V (a i A Ko. i.e uouion't ever, knot ui.t tLt inoivicual uas. li they wert in WGrkii:*, with a contractor we woulcn't have thia hr.owiec*,e. Iht metical cepartment ucolu not Lave the information. L So, from a practical stanepcint was it oven feasible to try to 00 any kino oi metical am veillar.ee tor contract employees? A ho , ke'ti Lave no ir.loru.at ion . Lou, uas anythin*, 001.0 or ar.y program set up to try tu evaluate the inciuence oi cancer? A l'es. he true an or.*,cini program which uas starteo by cur parent company man) years tbo tu register from- ceath certilicates all causes ol death. Anc, because of some concerns that ve hoc looking alter the health of the employees ue starteo a cancer registry which was uKr. Ivina ocr.c by cany universities anc. somt ol tht states were reciUiririp ioentificaticr. of certain oisease conditions. ' ! ; .| ! : ' .I 1 1 ! i 1 i 1 EXX-MOR-001321 j UiiL T LLGLL -ii.- ukay . i. -- b Liiis alreauy ir. pj.nct wi.ti. you there ir. j.sVi: oil, jts. Itc nac all ci.toili,, iL^istry oi. all ceuths ana uia,,hoses. ha tstt the international cctt tor oiaanosm,, all cases ci cearli. to you know a liar. tnat Lao been implemented? 1 would i.avo to say at Lac started that tail) on alien 1 rook my iirst position kiti. the com;.any ii. it-t/. Sc 1 ucule say at probably aeielopec that piLfaram aiounu lS4b --'4b, tarly in iuy career. Sc it ws ir, place in baton Klu|,l vuen yoc j,ui there? It was in plact by the conical euy artmer.t, the corporate cr0aiiiration, anc in all ol oui iiiecicai departments threuahout ti.u ci'aaniiat ion. Now, cools you explain to the yury how that registry worked ana wnat the purpose oi the registry was? hell, the purpose oi the registry was to look alter the health oi our employees ar.u oetermine iron that it there were any health problems auo by acini, that we neeueo to Lave the Causes or ueath, diagnoses, heart cisease, cancers, strokes, any oi thost conditions ano we iaentiliea them by, as I said, an international coae which all physicians use on death certiticates. Aim nis" one purpose to altrt you ii thtro was any uncommon incidents or unuscal inciuents or anythin;, that wculo leao suiaebocy to think thore was a loLietT i i in is iiLiii Lt KjuiiCi u.teita j.rnciiu. ii/ kctf ,,boi. ic.tc.ici, anc bt lIU ic observe Snoelu there It anythin,, tl.tl o.ist.t appt.i it bt iiti.ortiil yoo'u Lt aware cl ii by locking si your staiistios. act, Ki.tu yet n-thiion statistics tees that involvt liit cistirline oi epittLuolos'/? Its, mat's t speciality. Ltiatiuioio^y , a urn you use as speciiically at incivicoal who ibti. tallies tut ar.u leeks at Sptcuic ccr.titiuiis ai.t tots a statistical evaluation. 1 tiCL'l want to 6e late bicat tttails LttausL 1 think iht next witness is pema re bo - Is an t),iuei.icloaisc . --is an epiaeLiiolCtisi . Ana that isn't uy speciality. All ri^ht. but you ale suit that epiteniiological surveys ana stuuies wtre tone at the baton kou^e plant 7 uh, yts, ctiinlttly. how, in your role as ti.t Assistant fitaical birecicr woulu you have occasion to sper.u a t,oou portion ol your timt out in the fielc? les. first ot all, just out u interest to know tl.C'l tilt work c.Vv a~i ucuienl is so you can evaluate the htaitli oi iiiciivicuals when you art exaiainins tbeii, it was ltportar.t ioi te to have a ietl tor tlie type 01 0V.1S tl.t U.LlVlLLul St, WneTl i uiu UXaLir.L tl.eC UUC ^ c t Lilt, l.lStUl) 1 W 0 L1 u know Wliat Was 1 C.4UI 1 i_a . bo, jus, 0tttinb tut iii the iielu ana observing urst l.ar.o 1 think was an' important part ci what 1 Use to co. nuuit >00 oittr. acL.oibj.hc>' the industrial hy;,ienisr out into the Held? les. That was not unusual 101 me to bo out into the iicio'witk ui.l lnuusuiai n)bienisc to loci. ai an Oj.uiatiui. or look ~t a jot ci evaluate an muiviuu-i lll wuu a particular biuulual complaint. At that tiiau tue it.ous t r lal li>t1L1*ist uas 1;lc \enable, rij,ht? "Iliat was Trea VenaLle, cuirect. hno's now deceased, iitkt? That's correct. liiu >ou line bin. to It a conscientious ane util respected ir.uustrial hybier.st to the field? Uh, yes. 1 nuclei say Tree was probably ont ot the most conscientious, sincere, liarc-workina, oeoicatea, a real credit to his prclession, anu very ethical.- Yes, top notch. Sow, Ur. Leone, in s^'s out into tut fitlc as you would, both witn tht industrial hybienst anu sometimes on your own, would you have occasion to witness reti.nery . <; -.-rations, turn-urauuos, construction, oiiierent pr.uses oi refinery activities? Lit. -UuS 1. LLLi'.t -ti- k Ub . 1, On O I.LLotr occasions, I 1 I ltlt tl.L uituical tl.ei.t ul kau to i,0 it. uii.ttror.1 10LUtlUl.s ill lilt: ^ 111 1A Li I tu LCW11 IL Il.t 00 0 k soiuutines, wo i.uu tankers tc look uttoi, seaman LGLiir.t iii, so ii was r.n uni.seal to 0c- tlirouph the various rtlincries or plant operations anc have a ci.ui.ci. 10 cLsoivo luoii ui cork unu activities. t, Lie you have occasion lo simply witness insulation activities? n let. uiioi. on tein-aiGui.us or ^oii.a ooi oi il ii.oio kero accioents, anc sometimes ko wont out oi. tiiu aiukulance , yes, Wo koclo nave an emporium!) tc see uncivil) oi iliat te. W. Louie yco havt oocasior. lo sot contract 01410)00$ working side by sict, taxon employees? A -its. Ihty koulo be out mere kcrkir.a in ike suite area. h Now, in )cur trips il.LU tfct plant, aIiU ItCV frequently woulc you bio kfc l li t S t ioray s into the plant? A hell, it wasn't a m^ulur estaklisheu scheuule, but it woulcn't be unusual to afci out once a month or' evtry six weeks, not unusual.. k Anu, in tne perioas 01 time over me years tkai you witnessea insulation activities oici you ever see . anytii' r.^ rl.o? -- occupational r.ooltk soauufuim you consicereo tc Lo a pTobloiu? A AO. 1 woulo say no. EXX-MOR-OOI325 1 i-K. ju.: 2 3 i-lO ;oU tVtl bt-L Shat ) V.0 CCLSIULIUL tt Ll 4 wiCcssi voly oust) tr.\ i runmtnts involve* -- 5 iiiociiii.1. hill, ti.usu insulation iiitiv 11 its 6 A i\u, 1 uicr.'i ulseiVL ar.ythir.e cl that ui.ti.fL. 7 Lie you viti.uss oi personally observe tut piocess oi 8 usiiii, htitt IL htL toon artus to minimite oust? 9 its, mat kib iiar.LaK procedure in these 10 Operations. ICL SCUld Stt tl.tlli l.OSlIlt, conn. Its, 11 tl;si V.ua tut normal Jilvetuurt. 12 Liu you personally tut i-.i . V-ualle toinb mouiturii.p 13 ana ail sampling curing tnose ytais ot wur>. 14 cliv il tut.tl.ts; 15 A 'its, 1 uio stt tree or. a number ot occasions lukl!.6 16 measurements, titr.tr ii. ti.t arts oi i.tist niti. 17 instruments ci getting samples, air samples. 18 Nov., we mentioned Hit mtcical aepaitment ai.c tl.t 19 safe --ana the inuustrial hygiene Gtpartment. has 20 ti.eit also a saiety department? 21 A Yes. lire company hat a \eiv activt saiety 22 department, Lot tUat is net in tl.e metical 23 department. 24 In audition, though, to tl.t aattty ai.o in audition 25 to tut inuustrial ny-giene ar.o medical departments 26 tutre aas also saiety department? 77 mat is correct. A saiety Gcpartment ain eiisi. 26 An* uen you say tut) cure --tliey cut activt, 29 typically shat bino ot invulvtmtr.t soulo they liave 30 in operations? 31 I i i i ! i EXX-MOR-OOI326 i/1.. jUi.r. 1. LLeivl. A Well, the salat) ccpartttht l.cc the IcS pOIlS! tii 1 LV cl lcokii.0 uitei sc let) ui.c as lar as the eperaticr.s were cci.i_cii.ee iii ttaciiin,, saiety une they i.ce rrobraa.s cirtctee it salt practices, Che obviously eoerwinateo utli inuustrial iiy0ici.c ano i_r.viiciiu.Li.icl health sii.ee tutrt was seme overlap of resroi;sibilit; iccKiiib alter the en-vi rcnmehi . W lieu , Hi these > ccrs that y cc cere iii ect ci. hoc e e hale Jill cvel Lucre Cl ul.y jilCkUC illuaiUb with ashostos oust cl; cicti.ii.bv n. iiL , I Y*C* l*Ct csWaTe Cl uuy . g. Lie yee tvfci perceive ti.c uctc tc take ciiy special precautions with clothing oi j-eaplc who workeu with ins elution? A ho, not at all. i, here you ever Lucre cl Li.y potential hataic tc families of insolation workers? A No, none. li 1,ere yen awurs, _ a^air,, ir. the times yon mere in baton hoube of any literature suoiltstinb seen a possibility? . A No, not nc literature. L here yoo aware at any time caring those years oi any laws or regulations or stciioaros that wcule have auj-lieo ooncerning a person's clothinb? t, how, there has been merit ioneo a time or two uurinb this trial to a Lr. SeiihoLte. V.ho is Lr. 1 Lk. jOl.il 1. uubhi. 2 -.I~ 3 Seiikoitt:: . 4 r. i.tli , ji . Selikeiie is a pio'ltssur at l-.t. Siui ii. 5 New iurk whu's a spacialist ih luiij cisease. 6 0 i-u. Ik. cc a lot at work ana ltsaaich ii. u.e iielu oi 7 albCilti UUl'illj, tiie ihcL's? 8 r. i 0uess 1 really can't answti that since 1 haven't 9 tbl IC'Weu ins Lirur, Lut 1 know tnat r.c's publisheo 10 articles on tnat. 11 b okay. V.ali, Lie ) oa aval have cacasiai: to mtet alt;. 12 Lil . Selikoiie? 13 A las, 1 tit. 14 b . i.litn vis that? 15 A in tiia Spring oL iSiCS 1 was atter.ainp a seminar on 16 chest ciseast which was 6iven by tr.a i.t . Sinai stall 17 ana lit . Selikoiie participstee in tnat as oi.e cl the 18 presenters when lie. spoke to us ano presentee - 19 material about asbestos. 20 b okay. Ana ahat aic you learn about asbestos at that 21 meet ills? ' 22 a hell, I luarnuu at that time the relationship was 23 asbestos to mesothelioma. 24 b Lia you --was there anything aiscussec at that 25 program ci put on b> Jet. Sinai ano Lr. Selikoiie 26 concerning housewives or stconoary exposures to 27 no No, 1 licaru no mention oi that. 29 Now, at this meeting cia you have occasion tc 30 aiscuss with Lr, Selikclie ti.a p:Cj,iams that Lxxcn 31 EXX-MOR-OOI328 1 Ur.. JU1.A 1 . Lkblih 2 Ut lliiik tint hat 11. plate? 3 4 \ts. LLiir.b the oiscussion *-ouiir.,, the ntn.ii 5 lsouiuai s oi \ t i llui.oe programs wtrt cisLOsset. /. 6 pre,,raa. ol goi t>,.t, ior exam,it, ws rtvitveo. ar.c 7 COS-luentS ktic uuc that LV tl') thin6 was Ltin^, -- 8 l*i w. ilLliMTIiJii UL j t ci i on , 9 loor honor, tc tht Hearsay. 10 11 l.h. LLLiAKL: Well, lcui 12 lior.tr, I think he's or. export witness ar.c lit is 13 14 oniitieo to rely on cll.ti 15 exports ii. helping tt 16 loit Ms opinions auc. 17 ccr.tlnsior.s . 18 Mi. WLHliWFliThii: U-s, lour 19 honor , about may Lt 20 o ea 1 ins with this piotrsu, about how his 21 22 pro^rais optiatts, but 1 23 think no's i,et-tiiij, rtaoy 24 to oiscuss an endorsement 25 or soiutbccy saying, 26 "hell, aaa boy1', or 1 27 cor,'t know wJiat he's J - * j,iLini0 i tacy to say, 1 29 - think he can talk about 30 knot other experts ar.o he 31 I i EXX-MOR-OOI329 1 of. . jLl.ii 1 . LUUj'.I. 2 3 UliCLiiUU ia 1U Wliiat ItU 4 tuli.Ka li U jUOL (.lUirtia, 5 lut 1 Lelitve it1 s 6 libit 1 i) il ) to say what 7 iUiueL'Ou) who's r.oi here S ir. court sale akcui your S ^ ro^ r d . Ar.u, that's my objcctiuie 10 11 LLLh.1; yiituuut knowin*. 12 what jit1:s fe, c i r t to sty 13 it's kihL of tueth. 14 >.U. LiiblAr.Ll Well, let let -~ 15 let ae jLst approach it a 16 oil it run 'ay, iuui 17 _ l.oncr . 18 19 Diu }`gu havt occasion --without saying what D't . 20 Selihotfe toll! you ciu you liavt occasion to explain 21 to hie. tut --ixxoi:'s nGeiats and tiiorts that you 22 currently haa in place? 23 hell, 1 hau luteirec ti tlil. intGicai surveillance ar.c 24 the x-rays that we weie ci.tainir.fr on gut employees 25 ana to stt it there wtic anythin*. else that at ccula 26 uu to insure that tne Lest techniques and knowledge ?7 was mane available tG cur vhysiciaus luukint after 2b utipluyees, any' insulators ur asbustus workers. 29 k Al.o die you coiae away tioa that aieetin*, ieelih0 tliat 30 you have a sou. program anc teat you were coin*, all 31 i I EXX-MOR-OOI330 1 i,i. . jLl.b 1 . LuLkb 1C* 2 3 ilLib LO? 4 1 t-l . 1 Lai Yii-rj LOlli CUill i ulttl tl.11 .Lla LUi i 1 LI. 5 Util ll.e LIiLCISlhliuilii that hill. lilt i-ItltU 6 kiili. 1 llel ct i.4l u utit uabir.,, cYtr)tniiifi available 7 ic cculc. to cur ciLtiiiiiij, i-iiyai clans oi. tor rrobrbu. 8 lor laeLical surveillur.Lu. 9 f.lv. LuLlAki.': llidr.'t you, 10 ' LLCior. f.c. turu.t! 11 Lli^ . 12 HiL LLLK1 : ut.t Uiii,6 beicit. 13 ht fit dll) tUIttiLl . i 14 ;uat i.cll tc tt.il y'uli 15 about c.) tiluL reatiainta 16 alio abut l'li. viliir.fi to 17 c.0. but, 1 tclt > `ail 18 tout) 1 i.avt to shtai 19 someone in in Fort Allen 20 at i:bl. 21 t r.K. k LL i.\ 1 LI LK i ILL'll hull 22 to leave v> htr., lour 23 honor? 24 LUbkl : lieu all) ih (i :Lout 25 t i i 11 fell or tv. eiity 26 lair.utes . Nov,, l'L 27 hillinfi to coiae back anc 2G liliiah this aro aS 29 lcr.fi as y1'all ' V> al*t to 30 toi.lfii.t. 1 OOIi't IliXS t 31 i I EXX-MOR-OOI331 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 . 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 ai.. 1 LuLLL iii) fiui-lau >.U.h that, hit. r-.LL IMlI La : ho, sir, 1'li L i n l s i. a. 11.L LULAT: OLay . Ij.LSL UAi.li.A'rUjL tl i-ft. ALLlMrUTLit: ^ Lai. L.a jast rteita my noits , LI. Ltui.t. 1 uiun't Lava u.t rHasurt c: you anc tl.la is ti.t inst tiii.t- fce'it L.c.1 . Lfct c.t asi. )ll, 1i4 V t ^ 00 5 U t li oast LLants in UlL Luton i>ua,,u retir.ery alter lil? A ha , 1 nave not . 1, how, as 1 appreciate it >c.a Lecaiae Assistant koaical LirectDr in lb7, true" A Correct. belore that in iS47 you joir.ec the Laaoh brcap? A That's iibl.t. i, All iitlit. 1 jaisstc --uuut kere you ViLer. joa joinec tut j,ruup? ' A 1 was at La> c.line keiinti) lr: Lajor.ne, Ne* Jt-isey, la) lirst assi).njuent. i, . les, sir. Ana your jcb tnere aas v,hat? A 1 lias plant physiaian at that retinery. That \%as the title then. a * yi-ut physic ia.n? A iiaat physician. i, here you part cl tin. --was taat a .0. Company --a j ! i 1 l Ii i i ii i j | Ii i i i i EXX-MOR-001332 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 '28 ' 29 30 31 Mr.. tiUi..-. i. loLh.l. A* * itUl.Lolb Oil CLL.r--i,y? n n^i.t . it v.,.5 5.0. ntanoaru at that tine. 0 Okay . tit you akart cl oust j.ruuLCiJn,-operat ions , the artiule, the 'hi. pa^e articlt of cun prooucina operations l.o. -- p --unei. you juintu the Lxxoi. y,roLy ir. 1547? * 1 6ueai 1 uui.'t knoe the aiticie ju'rt roterrih. to. 0 Ail ri6nt. It's Lien iniiocLetU os 1-la mi il L ' a-L . 1'ie jLii --have yoo ever rtiitvtL this oi seth ti.ia , "L-Lst Ircuuoiu,, Operations V" A U.ithuss utka exhibit; ho, 1 uvl nor. (, All right. Ahu y gl haven't seen it at ar.y title? loaay is the iirst tiioe jou'vu seer. this? A 1 have never stun that. Apparently it's somethin;, aateo 1S57 1 see cn the cover sheet. (, l'es, sir, 1517. hov, , utulu it be coriect that you con't knov. what- cost counts here ir. tl.t breathing tone o baton Route rtlinury employees from 1557 to 15oi? ' A l.o. 1 ciu not l.anule oust samples. .0 Ano, not only that, Lot uculci it Le corrtot that whatever aust counts there v>ere arc not knoun tooay ar.o sere not knoar. then, ano Iron-. lo;.7 to lCf.j at. ' tn'o' ta'ton kohte rtiineiy? A hell, 1 aoulun't have any knooltope. 1 think you're . askinb be would 1 know uit ti.tio all} UlSt COUlltS . I I i i i i I i EXX-MOR-OOI333 Jliijii i . LoLhL i nor.know. Ail ri^nt, yu, con't knee. MbJA. AI10 >00 WOOlCl. 't kr.OV. ill) OLSt LOOhtS tGT LOIttriCl wtiUii oi criyloey , ciut? Hi. wi.it net awaie ct any wiibi LOiiiib ii tin- runner/ uurihp that tic.ol i Koelo r.et j.awc thy UiCkUtu ai this, whether u,tit wcrt tc.Li.tb oci.e tr l.ot . Ail ripht. how -- LLLi.tb hi/ l.iu Leel. UUl.e Lit i WLLlLl, 'l knOW tiliS. Ail riDnt. hell , let u.t isk you souet l.ir.u. -ii.Liu liivt lour. r.reviously ihtiouucu-o. 'lkey uor.cen. i louoil.4 OpelitiCh II. tliU l.UuLLl tv.0 slCrL i.ULSU. 11 in point to si.ow you llaintiU's Inhibit-i, o October 21, 1111 oucuiuLnt, which is. Dr. Hanson? les, I know who Dr. Hanson is. --uu you know Ai.u Dr. Hanson was wno? Dr. Hanson was tut- mtcical oirootcr thtit prior to a.y assignment'. He hao iosi6heo Lelcre 1 wuit to Dutch kcutE, lot 1 know wi.c l.o was ar.o 1 Huu met hie. Hu was a practicing physician in baton Koupo aiterwaros. All ripht. he, accoToir.p to this cocuiuent, Duo to improve Hr. Venable's Gust counts. Is that the ripht ucy to ronu t.iai, LULutcut i Apparently this is a ltttci that Fiuo Venable has writtLr. to a Hr. hcore in the storage- departiiitr.t 1 1 Lit. uGhA 1 LgGi.L 2 3 4 5 k 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 A 16 17 k 18 19 20 A 21 22 23 k 24 25 26 27 A 28 ! 29 k 30 iULl iiryilii, GUV bulbe llUl'.i Ul oust v.ei.CGi.tiutioi.s Guiir.,, nr. unship^ot ui.iccv.ri.,. ct biilriLCCl. Inat's the cccuiutnt you'vt ,,ivcr. i,,u. lei, ill. how, l'L iGir.t tc txhiLit to you now in Gui.i.Li-tiMi Liu. tiiis GGcuiiitr.t riair.ti111 s-ii, which is --iiiis Fill Unable at tut top, Gray -Lupent Luy, number two ituube tuiluihj., ci.u it snjs, "x- ray ci- ci.ust , suspicious ot lunp irritant." "it "u.LLk uii Gtbreu cl csLestos oi ctnai toxic eGat aXpOSLlL." lr ;GL WCgIg ltviel. that SO that i CGI. ash you g Gutsticn gl two about it, sir. ILllh-LLS liLVlLhh LlfLkt-.Gh'i J liGvu you revi twou that, sir? its. Lie you ever --cr oic ti.t uteied Gt.-Grucu.t evti fine out what wgs boinb on with i.i. Lray's leaps cr uo you know? 1 woulon't know. U.is is 1991, tr.t dan, aim 1 wasn't in tnt baton koufct reiiutiy, bo 1 Lave ug knowlGupt ot this. 1 appreciate that. - Lie free Unable as tnt inuustrial hygienist in the iiituical aepartistiit with, you in 1997 to 19uj tvtr gisguss tnt- situation like topene Cray's witli you? ho. 1 ntvti htaro cl tubtnt Ciay . SoTry, 1 nor.11 know tuptne Gray. All ri,,ht . corrtct? lr. 1947 you wtie with the Lxxon ^roup, 31 EXX-MOR-OOI335 U OI *1 . LLCM. 'ej- n ll.il 1 s I l;,Jit . . C Ul.'Vc Uiiilitu io U.at . i,ii, it. 1147 ciu you uii ucillbl. tc iul tne New Lli.idl.c Journal.ci hicuiLir.e us a ratrcr.ct in 11.47? A i'o uvt to ste abut jou'u, roierrii.j, it. U its, sir. I'vt turhcu tl.is us o publication --tlit --il.C Ktu ik,,laiiu uooinal or Ataicii.c. Ai c you iniuliiar aim tat publication? A Its, i'o. laisillUl kill: H.t IttU Ll.hlhl.O JLH'l.ul 01 S.U.L. joint . C Ano wore you so laiciliar aiti. Int bit Umlaut Journal ot jctuicinuin 1177 l ' I j * 1 ki.ta oi ~lbe bea Lr.aiai.u Journal ol AtuioinL iii 11.47. 1; les, sir,certainly iruu >ooi stuuit-s, tint? j j j. A Yes . k, And you voulu aj,ret it's ctTtair.ly or.t c the premierpublicationsin tilt bi.iteu States? A Gii, yes . . . k, Ai.u, it you auulc, 1 uirtet your attention to tlit ' I j | i i lirst stiitti.ct am. rtao n.t lust statenLe unuer "Presentation oi Cast." bo you hnca ahat tJiis ; i ' article preserves? A I've never seen tnis aiticlt betore. k, houla you rtao the tirst ser.tenct unatr 'Trcccntatiou ei'Cast" icr 'tnt jury n^lit litre? A it reieis to a case ul a Saeoish asLestcs aether *i entering a l.cspital aitn c.ouaJi alio ohest pains. So ' '| i EXX-MOR-OOI336 Li*. JLii.ii 1 LLUhi; 1 2 3 urpUle!itl> It's a case rtport 1 i-IusUi.e. 4 s nr.e i-i.i. jiiiui.t's -*viieru just u.ib ci.l soiiiui.ou 5 U it lor tilt jui> , rrsiit litre. 6 el at ion cuttin,, asbestos boarcs 7 AJ i ri0iii. Aj.l 1 > UL kOUlc. tUlI. LG , 1 believe it 's 4i: c,r 411. 8 9 i*iK. LLL^AaL : Ion honor, 10 excuse kt. l'u liU to 11 lcc-b<= nn oLjn_ticr. . 1 i.U 12 - Lector lias liiCiciitLL i,c 1 s 13 litvtr SLtn this Ltlui L- 14 Cthtr tnun the lact lib 15 ruLGbI;iicS ir.e 1, tv. 16 L n L1 a r. c Journal 01 17 l-itciciriL cs beinto a 18 journal at tlie tiii.c, 19 proper lour.oatiori hasn't 20 boon laiu lor ibis 21 arriLle thrcuah this 22 viitiiess anu 1 uoula 23 object to just liavinb tiit 24 Lector reau sentences 25 here a nc. there tor 26 somethin^ lie's r.tvtr 27 been. 26 ji.ii.. ' kI_i_ list L:i fch : 1 our liGnur , 29 notice to cooipari)* i5 30 VbS t aa fcjLXCIi LHl. 31 EXX-MOR-OOI337 1 Lit > JCiii\ 1 LlCiii. 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 oanil 29 30 31 1S - certainly --it's ,-srtl, hllUt tl.is Last is SLUUt. he's tsstitieu :i,c i-uLlication s --u y r e r. i e r t ,-Lblicsticn. lie's itstuitu i.l kis ahurc ai it in 11.-41 . lie korheU i Cl t hXlVOl. ill llw. 1 Cun 1 t kliUV ilOV. Lfc Cal, lit- LiLCli Letter than tl.ut. i plannuu -- 11 111 i.oir.1, tL ssk ii Ira some iulioi.-u, questions c&r.cerhins Lit. teo . hk. LLL'ikkL: l.ell, Igui l.cnor, 1'it skirt ui soiLe textbooks tot, tut 1 haven't reau then.. he's inuicsteo he's never seen this before. l*.h. kLtlNFhTLL: hell, 1 soin^ to uiiect scats questions' to that, Counsel. Kh. LLblAKD: lour honor, 1 object to -- Till -Lhuni i i unuerstaiiL your objection ano l'ni to see vbere it leans , EXX-MOR-OOI338 hi. . eLlJ. 1 . LlLiNl -.L- l'll 111 ull. ask ti.t L,LeStlCU L l 1 tl.ls uu, li lit tets .lar-Liciu i hill SL&t.iii it. i-.k. hLkiM'ElLK: thank you, lit . h li. Hi? ahat type ti utcical leaturcn uepurti..ei,c ciu aLXLli LaUl? ,, i I.LVfc r.O kr.C.vlt:t~U Ct tilt TtStaiCi. Lti.5rlluU.t , 1 tolu >ll i aas uSii^i.tL as a plant physician ii. Layuni.t. lnciutul ially, ycL kat tiven L.t ar. uniult i.ei e ant iii i-.aiuk gl '47 1 l.tir,11 even kill, the coitpari; men. 1 aas still on active cLt) aim tut U.S. Army. k -All ripht. but in l-.urci. ol 154/ art you ttllir.a fct you have riG ki,caluubt anatsuevei ot the ubiiO lesearch division or any oi it's activities or anat tiifc) uiu in rtltrtucL to reYiea oi the literature? A No, 1 liuvt no knoaltupt ol ahat the research division oi Star.earo nil (.uuipany oi Nea Jtrsey aas ir. Naicl, ct lii/. i, Art you iaiailiar aith tiit r.aiae cl hobeit Eckert? A 1'es. 1 ciu mett a hr. Eckeru aho aas with the S.b. Restarch as 1 recall, but that aasn't in 1547. lhat W-X 1 i, r r itT._i ^ ---- `-tch t;,a Cwiu^AUj cl lib 1 ""It Ml* ytiilS alter that. Vi All . Lo j CU kiiua al.c aas tut mtcical uiitutor I EXX-MOR-OOI339 iaK I i* * OL U.tL.L. aeStaiLJ. li, ii,,;? /. Lo , i ooli't hnoa . . h Lc )t.i tiiii.l. it's lint ilktiy ti.ai. i;i,t ti.at tile L.l. iieaoarcn Liviiii.il raoeiito Tl.t i.oa Ln..lni.o journal 01 k-eoio 11.1, iebolatI) as apollination at it's lescuroii uivisien? I*. 1 CiOit * i anon !-.k. LLL1Ann: icur Lor.oi , i 1 a bOH.b lb j.OSe Hi obji.ci.ioii. La's muiuiu in. Giiit.'i knoa a Lai liit icseiitl. oil l si oi. a as noil; b. i.l ii aiti: Hit Am) ai.o oroLa'ul) aasn't even thinking alcot Lxxon at that ptrioo oi time. Tc Lave liia speculate -- . ILL CljbkT: Hint's exactly aiiat it aoolu lit, it aoulc Le speculation. 1-Ji. LLLliMtiLK: icur honor, i am ashing him it it's acre likely than not that the otpartment or someone ...................................... ' at Lxxon aoulo have rectiveo t i. is pollioation. , I | I ' EXX-MOR-OOI340 ilit . oClu. 1 LLu.\L LL'Lihl I iaC 1 ii law li.oT(- L^Ui-I l I i 1(SC Cl a l.,iULl tiiCl t Kb:: i il i.t Wbbii't ti.t-rs . 1 LuL.1 u bhsutr it ui you il ycu aai.t, but 1 il c & n it ' t -- 1 Ui ini. I iitbru 1..in. kir.c oL 6roan itit ar.sati Lcioit tne cl jtctior. a1-1- cut . i.ciL lie OCtSI. 1 t kr.ou . i.t i'tii. 1 correct, Lector? ihllnLLL ctiM IMjLS AisSnLKj A Its. 1 Lave tit knoaiccat c 1 anal aaa ^tins c;. m harcb ot 1547. i< All ri^ht. Lie. )ll as a ^i.jsiciai. lecuive Hit Saw Ko, 1 aiii net receive me j.oblieuticn. Lie j-uL-lit libiarits rtttivt in riaich ot 1547 Iht Ken Indiana journal ot Kieuicii:e7 bell, 1 riesust ihs) conic. It's availsL-lt it anyone alio aunts it tsl.e ti.e publication. ' beat type oi people --you acre a ooctcr in KarcL ol 1547 , were yon --yon ntre , sir? its. 'Hie hea Luciano Journal oi ioucicme in 154 7? btll, 1 tnirA anyLony ano is inteiastna in tne iiuiu EXX-MOR-OOI341 i,i\. jU. 1. Lj-Ui. L CL 1C. i IiC U.1 6i,t UK6 a J.UL i i Lft. t i Lii ci a CiCUlveii jcuiuul . 1 licit Vai il.t Jaurr.jl Aim-ncci. h.ecicci ---------------------------------------------------------------- AssLCiLiun cr *1 he i-.iv. Ll^Iqhu Journal ci Kfauiciht.. . iiictfe at*. - - one there art btatt publications. There are nar.) , L.an> ktciccl journal* available iu ^h/sicianb that can be reac. ^ Lie yuL cc t-XuL.s oi. the puc^lt ahe- are involve- ir. tht ntuicui surveillance. ^ro^rum? A , it; . i incicatec 1 uic in cur ue,^art.fc;tnt, il curry oi. ocuical cxai^i i;u-l i on* ci cur ctj-lcyeti . ^ Ano uc you know v.i;ut -"huvt you ocue an> iollcw-Uj. or supervise any Lolicv-u* btuuics ci any ubbestub wuikcis at tiit txxGii riant? A l.o, 1 r.tver uic hi.) srLCiliu asLtstus cast tallow- up. - 1; hr. Cray, in pl.hiui.iii 1 s exhibit 3, <, 5, sue i believe Zl, he was a laborer, wasn't lie? A 1 have no knowleoj,t: ci this rear.. leu shGweu n,e a menu in 'il. 1 cur,`t know wr,o he is. has unybouy evti Gone' a stuuy oi the asbestos . workers that Lxxon eupluyeeu ir, the 1 iU1 s anu ' t-u' s to your ki.uwleu;,e? A To u.y knowleu^e we uiu not. ^ bo you know how ior,d bxxou eu,ployuoinsulators? A how lent Giu they enplojee insulators? . \ `l A boo aioau when they iirst startupemploy ihe. tutt,; w its , sir . t f I i ! * ; ' i j !. : j ! I | I I i ; ; ; j j j i i EXX-MOR-001342 No , 1 eui.'t m.cv. khui. thty lust starteu. be- )U0 t. L C k tal.Lh U.C; "LlL ti.t> tvtr stc,. ee-ployi!.;, ir.sLlk.tcrs? . i i.c.vi; nc icea ot the employm<.i.t . huYO ycC LtLI. infCILtC Cl U[ hikC rClatLC CC '/L U t l.t tc.stiLci.j- ci hr. Loylo Lull ir. tl.is case? coyle Lcbos? ' ;.L, sii', l'lL soriy. Kr. Loyie Lull, have you cv-.i he., 1 i.cvci i.cure tuo name. li.c r.alut CCCSli't trcUl. ell/tiill.j, tC ycL. /cl l ycc -- " uvi you tvtt seel. Lxxor. lLnUuii cr. the sits at tiit j/le*1*1 in llle Li ai.y year suLse^uci.t thereto esc pitches ciille korl.ir.b cut ii. tl.e title on liiscluticiL --on olei inscluticr.? No, 1 never kitntssec anythin;, line that. have you ever seer, an insulator issued an hatchet? No, I have net. have you evci seen them issuto a mallet? No, 1 node not have any Lr.ov.lecbe ol that. have you tvet seen any Lxxon insulators kcar respirators? Ln, yes, many times. houlc ycc a^reo the respirators are the absolute last line oi ceiei.se true the environmental hygiene Stancpoi r.r i Ir.ajce il you kill rephrase that. 1 aon't unaerstanc 1. i,-U,\L 1 2 - sl I i 1 I 3 it's u.t- last luetr.cu ul.ubt.iiby ai, inuustii,.! 4 nysiui.ist or uuuu).4i.ioLal itcuicint Hj.urx n. uiuur 5 tv* I, 41.1, wi.ui, you bi) lust jLtiliuu, nil 1 colIl say is, 6 7 it is a a e X nuu xu picviut a tarTier so xiiux ^uople a will nut trtaxiiu ir, uusx, ant xr.aL's i.i.ux a 3 rtiyiraioi is usuu lor. iii 1171 uu you knee him position auLurx lekuro l.aoi 10 T1 ii. 11711 ius, sir! ' 12 r,o, 1 ijuvt no knohieo^e ox l.is position. 13 14 11. no was nirtcxoi ol xi.e kuuiual Ktsuuicl, oivisiui. 15 at . Lssc Stsesiu. ar,c Lnainuei iny, t-cisj.any, you 16 uouion'x know? 17 Well, 1 kiieu xl.ax v>as ..is position, bux al,ax l.u sal 1 ooinj, in 1S73, 1 ucn'x knot alien he retireu or ul.ax IS 19 xht dates stte, 20 J. ijjhx inert fct soi_e oxhtr people likt kr. Gray abuse 21 lunps atrt abnormal, Lot you con'i knoa aboux ix, 22 sir? 23 lik. LILIAS.!: lour Honor, 11 is 24 jjOiiia to object. 25 . 11,1 CLiukl: Sustained. 26 kk. hLtlhPtH.k: lour, honor, 1 27 eon't have any furriiar I 40 ' '" ' questions. 29 30 31 I I EXX-MOR-001344 *.i <J oi. LiuM KhLlRLCT LXAK1NAT1QK- Vt Mi. LtlAARL: V Looter, )OL nentiunoo you ieit Latcn Roo^t ly ILL! anti tiiei. yco nac riuuut.i. a i-ootint, vitl. Ur. iiuiikciit: 11. llel. 1,ne.ru vui = yuo if; the ii.ti.riiu? A norm,, tut ii.toiin. poiiou l v.s keoiual Lituctor vit.ii Lsso ii. Lilya. 1 vas li. Lilia setting up ai. i,ciLi.atiiii,ui in-altl. premies. lul taj-lv) tea there. e, ui.ay, ene yee iuti.tiai.au li. eiaeessli.b , in ansverii.,, lay ijLLutiui.5 tat lott that >ce aev kr. \enable uuii.0 ail souplin^ ai.u utai stueits, uc. 1 ui.etrstai.e iron your response tu kr. Rieinpeter that you sii-ply touay can't toll any-Lcey exaetiy vl.ut tl.t line in), 5 wert, vhat the reselLs vtre? A lea, 1 knov supples hurt taken, but 1 have no reports. 1 uiar.'t itceivc tneii, and 1 voulan't have any knovltcibe oi those lir.oiuts . Kk. LLL1ARL: Thank you. RECKISS- tXA>.lKATlUJi IT ilk. REElkPhTER: L Ai.u lastly, you uun't know vnat ht was san.pl ilia, uu . you Lir. Leont? A 1 just know they vere oust samples. I \ou knov thty tort cost suopius. Lu >ue i.uvc an) iota cl vhtrt the uepository oi these oust sacplu results woulu be? EXX-MOR-OOI345 La . UL1* i ItaLiAi. " H_ " A ;.L , i buUiLl.'t U.C.k . Ail 1 kl.C.b i>- tl.lt. Ul SLUfieS kcu sent u. a ltl iur. analysis anc lt^urts usit . oiiii.ii.LL, Uut 1 l.c.1. 1L knot antit tl.ty ktrt ktyt li 1 i.LVcr rtctivtu tutu. L, bl.bt lbLS - loti. UU Sitt at tut i.btt.1. KbU|,t- ktiinery . ut lb'Ls oti-altt? A I. L bit l.Lt Lute h lbi It bl.blylt LLL L bLLUti ill LLLti. Kcl0l in tlit Ktiii.tr>', r.ct in tiit KtLicul Lit^-bl tr.ti.1 , k hi.Lrt bttlt ucoiLs ti laL rtsults cl atit counts Ll n t- r t ? ` A 1 Itbll)' Lbl.'t kllbk tilt blibbtl' It that, k III, ls Assistant Attiicti Lirectcr Lurking vitl. ti.L hygiene y.eofle, uun't i.avt bii)' iota bl.clt tj.c oust count results kcule II: A Ko, because 1 iiat uentiuntu earlier, the lnLustribi iiytienist ait nut rttort to ut. So, 1 uiur.'t nnvt reports tma. tutu, r.ur oiu 1 6tt results oi any laL- tests. . KK. KLElKFiiltK: Ku turtiiti t,uvistiuns, thank you. KK. LLilAKL: Thank you, Latter. Hit LulKl: hi^bt-tnirty totborruv. >oraua. UhhKtlihOK, C.ULR7 WAS AbjLOkKhLj i.1. b u\ i L Lb LlLj 7 i m. i ai. Li* i..i_i\i li-ii. LiKIli-lLAii. i, ILM LLLKLLlIS, a Lt-rtilitc central iiepci ter , ii. LL lor tl.t laiisn oi ilertilli., State oi LfLisiai.a, uo i.ortcy etrtit) : * iLat till. el e CeLinb i.at t SI aaS reyntto ty lue ift il.Litr.i-iiu coiapltiaeiftto by Eabiiatie taps rtcurauibs; liitreoitur icuutct tt typewriting Ly u,a; ane tl.at tl.t Ltirfc0tinb l-a4.es _1 tnroesn __i contain a Ll.ureebh ane correct transcript at ti.t testimon,, piven, unuti oath, in tba prectainp tatter f.eaiu 01. tin. IStn tij oi JANl/Anl , l&ii. EXX-MOR-OOI347