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FILE NAME: National Safety Council (NSC)
DATE: 1942 Jan 19 DOC#: NSC289
DOCUMENT DESCRIPTION: Answer of Respondent Philip Carey Company to Amended Complaint
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UNITED ST T 1 3 OF AT.IEE BEFORE FEDERAL TRADE CO '
In the Matter of
ACME ASBESTOS COVERING AND FLOORING COMPAiTY, et al
Docket No. 4-613
ANSuTLR OF TFT PHILIP CARRY MANUFACTURING __ COMPANY TO THE ATA.DED COMPLAINT____
The Philip C z rev Esnufaeturin Comp"ny, appearin''
i herein by Its attorney? Cc.c"-- cleeer, R'ickersham & Taft,
answers the amended complaint and states:
1.
Answering PARAGRAPH OLE, Respondent admits the
intention of the Commission to attach to the words "licensed
materials'5 and "non-licensed materials11 the meaning set forte
in PARAGRAPH ONE, but denies the correctness of the meanings
attributed to said words.
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Denies that respondents classifies the materials
forming part of the United States patent No. 1,972,500 in
l |I, thw sub-license a-re-'-i-nts which the respondent Donald
| Tulloch, Jr. had with other respondents, and states that
said materials were classified by the Licensor.
Denies that all materials described by the wording
of paragraphs (l) to (1 1 ) were licensed materials and states that the terras of said license agreements clearly disclose
that the agreements apply only to materials embodying the
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invention of the said patent.
Denies that all flexible range boiler jackets were
non-licensed materials and states that the materials of many-
flexible range boiler jackets embody the invention of said
patent.
Denies that The Philip Carey Manufacturing Company
is legally responsible or liable for any acts or practices
which are alleged to have been performed by The Philip Carey
Company and denies that The Philip Carey Company engaged in
any of the unlawful acts or practices set forth in the com
plaint or that it violated in a n y respect the provisions
of Section 5 of the Federal Trade Commission Act.
2. PARAGRAPH TWO, admits the allegations therein
except that it denies that any sub-license agreement ever
existed between The Philip Carey Company and Donald Tulloch
Jr., denies that it assumed any such sub-licensing agreement X
upon the dissolution of The Philip Carey Company, and denies ?
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that it operated at any time under a merchandising plan
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3. PARAGRAPH THREE, admits that both licensed and
non-licensed materials were embodied, involved and employed zr -H \
in the manufacture, use and sale of low pressure asbestos j
pine covering, and respondent is without knowledge of the
percentage of said covering manufactured or sold by the
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respondents and is without kno'.vledge of the percentage of TM
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said covering manufactured or sold by the ''respondents
Johns-I-Ianvilie Corporation ana The Philip Carey I.'anufacturin,
Company and its wholly ovmed subsidiary, The Philip Carey
Company up to the tine of the dissolution of the said The
Philip Carey Company, about June, 194-1"
Admits that some of respondent corporations manufac
ture some or all of their licensed and non-licensed materials
and convert srne of the sane into lov; pressure asbestos pipe
coverim-', but. denies tv at said respondents, or any of then,
convert all of said licensed anc non-licensed materials into
such covering. Admits that other respondent corporations
l-mown in the trace as "winders" purchase some or all of said-
licensed1. and non-licensed materials from those respondent cor
porations which manufacture sane and then convert some of
said materials into low pressure asbestos pipe covering,
but denies that said ''winders", or any of them, convert all rXn
of said materials into lor pressure asbestos pipe covering. *0 i ?!
Denies that the respondent corporations act collu- o
sively or collectively in the pricing or sale of said mate
rials or covering and denies that they are in a position
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to dominate and control the prices at w'-ich the same must
be purchased by the purchasers and users thereof throughout
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the United States.
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4. Plia.GRAPH FOUR, admits that the respondent
.corrorations engaged r interstate commerce and denies the
other facts alleged in said pan l rrgh.
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t> . Jf'AitauttArn n v a , denies each ana every feet
alleged in said paragraph.
6 . rnrnjjiiitrjri d i a , admits that respondent corpora
tions have been and some still are in competition with one
or more of the other respondent corporations in making and
seeking to make sales in interstate commerce of low pressure
asbestos pipe covering and of licensed and ncn-Ueensed mate
rials and, except as herein specifically admitted, denies
each and every fact alleged in F.-m^dkAFE FIE, and specif
ically denies that competition between the respondent corpor
ations has been hindered, lessened, restricted or forestalled
by any understanding, agreement, combination, conspiracy',
method, policy or practice as set forth in the complaint or
otherwise..
7. PAnAGIalPi SEYEF, admits that during the year
1931 application was made for respondent Johns-Eanville
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Corporation for the Toohey patent which contained claims
embodying tire licensed materials and for an asbestos air
cell insulation which by the insertion of a wax sirer woulcl
:e the asbestos covering both water repellent an: moiscure-
proof, and that such acLsSbestos covering is used primarily for
lo- pressr-je asbesto 5 L b covering and that the patent was
Lranted on September A , i J . h j but denies that the foregoing
fullv states the claims embodied in said patent or correctly
describes the scope of same, and demie; jL o Li... ps tent r
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conspiracy ret forth in the complaint.
Respondent admits thr;t Johns-Aanville Corporation
did on September 11, 1935, grant to respondent Tulloch an
exclusive license to make, use and sell, and exclusive right
to issue non-exclusive licenses to others to use and sell
materials and products covered by the Toohey patent.
f. PARAGRAPH EldAT, denies each and every fact
alleged in said paragraph
9. PARAGRAPH A3A-A', admits that a mer cr-anisirn'
rl-n *" s adopted during thr period the Ration- 1 Indust:-? r-.l
Recovery Act uas in effect by some of the respondent corpora
tions and that said merchandising plan mas not personally
approved by the Administrator of the hation"1 Recovery Ad
ministration, but denies that such personal approval mas
necessary to make adherence to the merchandising plan obliga
tory upon the members of the Industry and states that the
failure of the Administrator to disapprove the merchandising
plan constituted in legal effect an approval of the same.
Denies, e*:cent as he?'-ein specifically ecnitted,
each and every fact alleged in Parreraph Hine.
10. Denies each and every fact alleged in the
Dcragreph? of the compl" int numbered TEA, ELEV^n anc- T . ._LVL.
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11, Some of tee respondent corporations and other's
engaged in the low pressure asbestos pipe covering industry
during a period commencing many years prior to the year 1934,
and in the development of the industry, trade practices became
established through competitive and other economic forces.
These trade practices included the general use of a so-called
''list1' price from which discounts were allowed for the pur
pose of determining the actual price charged a customer, the
us? of deliverer prices in zones, the granting of freirht
allowances calculated from tine neatest cor pet ire factory
point, and the use of common definitions of various classes
of punchasers.
12. On Iioven.ber 1, 1933, the President of the
United States approved a Code of Fair Competition for the
asbestos Industry pursuant to the authority vested in him by
Title I of the National Industrial Recovery Act approved June
16, 1933. Pursuant to the provisions of the Code, a Code
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uthority was set up to cooperate with the Administrator in
the administration of the Code, an'"' for purposes of acir-inis-
fcering the Code
the Asbestos Industry was divided into five x f m,
livisions, of which the first was the Asbestos Paper and
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-.sbestos and v'ool felt pipe covering, air cell pine covering, >Xi oX
shestos laminated pine covering, and pipe coverinr acces-
orics i that is to say, said) Division inc-i-uded the rrooucts
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of the Low Pressure Asbestos Pipe Covering Industry.
Article VI of the .Asbestos Code provided, among
other things, that the Code Authority should adopt its own
rules of procedure and appoint such officers or agencies
as it might deem necessary properly to administer the Code,
subject to review by the Administrator, ana directed the
Code Authority to delegate to a suo-coc'e authority of each
member division the administration of all matters other than
labor provisions. Each Division was directed to adopt its
own rules of procedure v;ith respect to administering the
Code, and the members of each Division were authorized to
prepare a merchandising plan for the Division, incorporating
the mcrchandising policies best calculated to promote fair
competition in such Division.
Article III of the Asbestos Code provided that
for the purpose of insuring complete publicity of prices,
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terms and conditions of sale to manufacturers and to the
trawe concerned, and thus to promote fair corpevition, every
member ob the Division should file a. schedule of his prices,
terms and5 conditions of sale in the office designated for
such division, and there were regulations with respect to
rublishing any changes in prices, terms and conditions of
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In accordance writh the foregoing provision
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2B2 Asbestos Code, a merchandising plan incorporei, in? r a : v ~ : _7_
practices lout established in the Industry, was approved for
the Low Pressure Asbestos Pipe Covering; Division of the
Industry, and compliance therewith became obligatory upon
all members of said Division, according to the laws of the
United States then in effect.
Compliance with the price-filing provisions of the
Code was obligatory upon all members of the Division, and a
violation of any provision of the Asbestos Code was an unfair
trade practice.
Section 3 (b) of the Eat ion "-l Industrial Recovery
Act provided:
"(b) After the President shall have approved any such code, the provisions of such code shall be the standards of fair competition for such trade or industry or subdivision thereof. Any violation of such standards in any transaction in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce shall be deemed an unfair method of competition in commerce within the meaning of the Federal Trade Commission Act, as amended; but nothing in this title shall be con strued to impair the powers of the Federal Trade Commission under such Act, as amended."
and subsection (f) of the .Act provided:
(f) 'When a code of fair competition has been approved or prescribed by the President under this title, any violation of any provi sion thereof in any transaction in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce shall be e m i s demeanor and upon conviction thereof an offender shall be fined not more than $ '500 for each offense, and each day such violation continues shall be deemed a separate offense."
Overwhelming sentiment in the country required
business executives to conform to the provisions of codes
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of fair competition. Having; in mine, the terms of the
nation:! Industrial Recovery Act, the public policy de
clared by the executive and administrative branches of the
Government and the decisions of inferior tribunals, Respondent
asserts that compliance frith the provisions of the Asbestos
Code prior to the decision in the Schechter case by the
Supreme Court of the United States in Hay 1935 was not an
unfair method of competition in commerce, within the meaning
of Section 5 of the Federal Trade Commission Act.
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Following the decision in the Schechter
in May 1935 and for approximately the remainder of the year
1935, members of the Lou Pressure Asbestos Pipe Covering
Industry continued bp individual decision to carry on bus
iness operations in much the same v;ay as under the Code, but
at no time did they agree upon prices or terms of sale of
their products or otherwise engage in unfair methods of com
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petition in commerce within the meaning of the Federal Trade
Commission Act.
11. A stud; of open price filing was made by the
National Industrial Recovery Board appointed for the purpose
by the President and a report was made by the Board under
mate of April 29, 1935, stating:
"E. Price Filing not Price Fixing.- It is h a r d l y necessary to say that open-price filing is not urice fixing. Nor should evidence of
collusion in their making be inferred from a uni formity in the prices which are filed. Competition
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is supposed to effect uniformity of prices through an open market; and an approximation to uniformity is almost certain to result from the proper mainten ance of open-price filing. It is when the prices quoted by the members of an industry move in concert faster than competitors can easily accommodate them selves to each -other Ts activities or when prices move uniformly and sharply upward in contrast to trends in related industries that evidence of collu sion is present. Open price filing is a device; price fixing is a business policy in operation.n
Open price filing was continued by a number of
members of the Low Pressure Asbestos Pipe Covering Industry
until about the end of the yeai' 1935, but price uniformity
did not exist in the Industry and no price fixing agreement
or understanding was entered into by members of the Industry.
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The decision of the Supreme Court in the
Schechter case did not invalidate the National Industrial
Recovery Act. The National Recovery Administration func
tioned actively through the remainder of the year 1935. By
a joint resolution of Congress of June 14-, 1935 the National m5D
Industrial Recovery Act in modified form v;as expended to
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April 1, 1936, and by the terms of the extended Act the
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President was authorised to approve voluntary agreements
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entered into between members of an industry. Proposed volun-if
tary agreements for more than twenty industries were submitt>
to the National Recovery Administration for approval by the I
r\ President subseouent to liay 1935, and on or about June 17, >
of
1935, a proposed voluntary agreement for the Asbestos Indus- im"nI
try including many of the principles of the Asbestos Code
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was filed for such approval with the National Recovery Administration. Before the said agreement was approved an executive order was promulgated December 21, 1935, terminating the National Recovery Administration as of January 1, 1936.
16. During the period between May and December 1935 Congress, the President and the National Recovery Administration encouraged industry members to cooperate in maintaining the standards of fair competition which had. been written into codes and efforts were made by government agen cies to develop a procedure by which the cooperative efforts existing under the codes could be continued. Public hear ings were held by the National Recovery Administration and by the Federal Trade Commission upon proposed voluntary agreements which had been submitted by certain industries for the approval of the President. During this period mem
bers of the Lot; Pressure Asbestos Pipe Covering Industry met
from time to time to discuss ways and means of adopting poli cies approved by the Government, through the terns of a volur tary agreement or otherwise. These meetings ceased with the promulgation of the Executive Order terminating the existence of the National Recovery Administration and were not resumed after January 1, 1936.
17. Long prior to the enactment of the National Industrial Recovery Act the members of the Low Pressure Asbestos Pipe Covering Industry recognised the existence of
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a serious defect in industry material, in that a substantial
shrinkage frequently occurred in the asbestos covering after
its application to low pressure piping. This defect caused
complaints from customers, expense to members of the Industry
for repairs, and discredited to some extent the products of
the Industry. Numerous efforts were made to find a remedy
for this defect, and after prolonged investigation respondent
Johns-Manville Corporation filed an application for the
so-called Toohey patent on September 26, 1931. Ten claims
were allowed and Letters Patent issued September 4> 1934
Materials for low pressure pipe covering embodying
the invention of the patent were subject to only slight
shrinkage and through the means of this patent it became
possible to do away with substantially all of the said
shrinkage in pipe covering. Materials embodying the inven
tion of the patent were also superior in other respects to m
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orally to use the invention of the Toohey patent for a small
royalty, so that the better product would be generally used
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in the country and the defective material eliminated.
Serious resistance to the acceptance of a patent
license frequently develops in an industry when the licensor
is a strongly competing member of the Industry, because mem
bers of an industry assume that a competitor when acting as
licensor will establish prices and terms of sale for the
patented material which benefit the licensor at the expense
of competitors, and because members of an industry are gen
erally unwilling to have their sales records open to inspec
tion by a competitor for the purpose of checking royalties.
Said respondent therefore decided to grant an exclusive
license to an impartial individual, with the right to grant
non-exclusive licenses to members of the Industry. For this
purpose the respondent Donald Tulloch, Jr. was selected for
the reason that he had been Secretary and Manager of the
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Asbestos Pipe Covering Industry.
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and the said Donald Tulloch, Jr. with respect to granting
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to be derived by the Johns-Danville Corporation fros the li
cense agreement depended upon the number of licensees and the
extent to which the licensees popularized the use of the
patented product. The negotiations culminated in the signing
of a license agreement between the Johns-Manville Corporation
and the respondent Donald Tulloch, Jr. on September 11, 1935.
By the terms of said license said Tulloch agreed to issue a
sub-license to the Johns-Lianville Corporation in a for.:: at
tached to the said exclusive license, arm agreed to issue
sub-licenses' to other members of the Industry in the same
form and upon terms and conditions no more favorable to such
sub-licensees than those contained in the sub-license to the
Johns-Llanville Corporation.
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The respondent Donald Tulloch, Jr. procee
to issue sub-licenses to twenty-five members of the Low
Pressure Asbestos Pipe Covering Industry between September
11, 1935 and November 23, 1936. The sub-licensees did not
include all members of the Industry. The sub-licensor minimum prices effective January 1, 1936, at which the products mishit be sold bv licensees and fined numerous
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and conditions of sale for the licensee proc.ucts
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of the patented products. After the effective date of ssid
minimum prices sub-licenses were granted by respondent
Tulloch to ten members of the Industry. Royalties were pay
able by sub-licensees to the respondent Tulloch ana the right
to inspect the books of the sub-licensees to determine the
amount of royalty payments was reserved to the sub-licensor.
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The sale of the said, patented products wa
not promoted sufficiently by the licensees to establish a
gen err-1 acceptance of th* tv tented products ty the "while
because of the price competition of lower cost unpatented
products. As early as March 1936 a licensee ceased market
ing the patented product. In 1936 three licensees withdrew
fror' op-i rations under the sub-license agreement; tuo licensees
withdrew in 1937, sin licensees withdrew in 1938, seven li
censees withdrew in 1939, and three in 1940. Two licensees
withdrew in March and April 19A1, so that on the date of the
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filing of the coraol-int in this proceedin'-" the only reme-in-
in licensees were Respondent sr.d the Johns-karville Cor "'ora
tion.
All minimum prices and terms and conditions of
sale fixed for the sub-licensees in marketing the patented
products were-fixed by t^e inaivi- ual and u n c o r t r o l l e a c
tion of the respondent Tulloch as licensor. In the norraal
course of licensin operations said licensor consu.lte-' sou*
|of the licensees from time to time to determine their vie'-'s
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and desires ss to market in;" con'.'it i o n s , but there v;ere always
conflicting views and interes
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ras always made by said licensor.
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At all times subsequent to September 11,
there has been active price competition in the Low Pressure
Asbestos Pipe Covering Industry betv/een products embodying
the invention of the Toohey patent and. unpatented products
and generally between all members of the Industry. At the
time of the filing of the complaint herein thn current prices
for patented products were above the mini '"am prices f i"ed by
the licensor, and there is and has been competition in
patented products between the two remain!v sub-licensees.
The Johns-hanville Corporation manufactures and sells only
trie patented product for low pressure asbestos pipe covering,
and Respondent manufactures and sells both patented and
unpatented products for use as such pipe covering.
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respectfully re. nests that the comp In int. in this proceedin'7 be dismissed in so far as it relates to said Company.
THE PHILIP CAREY HALUFACTURING
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