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FILE NAME Manville JMA DATE 1967 - 1968 DOC JMA319 DOCUMENT DESCRIPTION Meeting Minutes - Quebec Asbestos Mining Association 7/20/98 2/2/67 4/10/67 8/10/67 3/28 3/29 QAMA Minutes Occupational Environmental Health Committee says only asbestos industry has urgent need to set up an institute of occ env health and wonders if other industries can be incited to collaborate Antigua conference of scientists planned est cost 50,000 Customers asking about asbestos health hazard it should be merely stated that like for any dust care must be taken in handling asbestos All scientific data should be left out because still debatable publicity to bad publicity not possible sufficient scientific data is not yet available pp 4-5 QAMA Grand Bahama Hotel Meetings Mar. 28 29 Warning label language considered 3 G. Wright chaired Scientific Committee of the Institute of Occupational and Environmental Health 37 doctors attended the Antigua conference p.1 Wright urged the industry to conduct studies but then t was pointed out by the President that in discussions with people who defended the tobacco industry he had been told that it had been found advisible not to be carried away by the medical profession p 8 MINUTES OF THE 100th MEETING OF THE QUEBEC ASBESTOS MINING ASSOCIATION HELD ON THURSDAY FEBRUARY 2 1967 AT THE BARBADOS HILTON BARBADOS W.I. Present Messrs M.J. M.J. Messel W.W. W.W. K.V. Oughtred Lindell R.J. Merrill P.A. F.P. Meyer Smith R.D. Bradford I.C. Campbell M.P. Carson R. Hebron J.W. Duncan J.O. A.R. Eby Fisher W.H. Foster G.G. Gabrielson R.P. Gagnon R. Hackney N.W. Hendry J.R.M. Hutcheson A.L. Penhale D. Poutiatine P.H. Riordon G. Robinson I. Sabourin P.A. Filteau Mr. Messel occupied the chair A cordial welcome was extended to Messrs Fisher Poutiatine and Gagnon on the occasion of the 100th meeting of the Association Minutes of meetings held at Jasper Park Lodge on August 4 and 5 1966 were adopted A motion for adoption of minutes of meeting of December 12 1966 was then moved and seconded Technical Committee Agreed The first meeting of the Technical Committee was held on January 17th 1967 in Thetford Mines The Chairman reports -2- that the test work is continuing under the following committees Oil Absorption Committee Fibre Strength Unit Committee Filtration of Asbestos A.S.T.M. Task Groups Mixes The Unit Load Committee has held several discussions with freight handlers and shipping companies It seems that isolated groups are interested in unit loads but it will be some time before the industry will have sufficient acceptance to initiate the use of such a package Three approaches were reviewed and a summary of the material costs was given The Technical Committee The committee realizes the difficulty of introducing the concept of unitized shipments and will continue its investigation At this point it was submitted that it might be more advantageous to go to container shipments This could the case of U.S. shipments The be looked report of into possibly in the Copant Meeting has been circulated to the members of the Technical Committee This report will be reviewed with Mr. suitable program Hutcheson to outline a Uniform Classification and Grading Committee The Chairman reported as follows Sherbrooke Laboratory The regular work of the laboratory is proceeding normally In addition Mr. Cossette is operating with Dr. Massey of the University of Sherbrooke and Dr. Pelnar Dr. Massey is supplying two students to work in the laboratory this summer One good improves effect of this work with the Q.A.MA. Laboratory's Dr. Massey image with is that it the University A request by Dr. Saucier Head of University of Sherbrooke Biology Dept. to trap animals on QAMA Company's premises has been referred to Mr. Lindell One summer student is to be hired in 1967 to allow research of Strength Unit for the Technical Committee Some Strength Unit tests are to be performed on anthophyllite to check some confusing statements from South America Dept. of Mines & Technical Surveys A three phase program was first started in Feb. 1962 was reviewed with the Minister of Mines in Nov. 1964. and The objectives were and are is noted briefly a Methods to determine today as listed below Progress the dimensional characteristics of fibre particularly length Fibre orientation in liquid > I.R 63-48 Ziess Particle Size Analyser- I.R 64-73 Watson Image Shearing - Static method of Measuring diameter The Ziess Analyser was purchased by Q.A.M.A. in October 1966 Fibres were supplied to Ottawa As of Jan. 27/66 a camera for projecting the dispersed fibre on to a photographic plate direct is to be used Ottawa is waiting for the required paper but doing some preliminary counting Ottawa is considering Zeta potential study of chemical additives also use of electrics coagulation and -4- b Methods to express or softness of fibre numerically the texture harshness Iodine Absorption - IR 65-31 abandoned IR 65-52 Infra in progress Nov./65 Thermal Luminescence As of January 27/67 trying sonar variable audio frequency c Methods to measure and express the degree of openness of fibre 1965- 1965- Invertigating nitrogen absorption Mar./66 Mar./66 - Dept. has bought smaller more practical absorption machine As of Jan. machine to 27/66 waiting for continue testing repair equipment for larger Dept. of Natural Resources - Quebec A meeting was held with Mr. was told Foy on Jan. 17 at which he a Q.A.M.A. will not supply funds b Asbestos in asphalt has been well tested - use required Mr. wet c d Foy was milling Asbestos in concrete not encouraging Asbestos in Perhaps the paper Three seems a good area for investigation Rivers Institute could assist also given Asbestos Corporation's experience with for asbestos Point Value Classification Attached is the wording given to Directors on December 12 1966 it has since been reviewed by the Uniform Classification and Grading Committee and left unchanged At the meeting of September 12 to introduce of the Association it had been agreed in principle the P.V. System as a standardized procedure Approval was held Limited by Directors was requested by the Chairman but up because one member company namely Flintkote was not represented at the meeting Mines Also attached is a revised wording of the copy given to Directors on Dec. 12 1966 concerning suggested controls for P.V. Classification If the P.V. Classification is adopted these would be the controls suggested McNett Classification No progress to report The Chairman suggested minimums for Q.S. Fibre Groups and Grades to the Uniform Classification & Grading Committee on Jan. 24 but maximums have no significance due to the wide range of McNett results of Q.A.M.A. fibres The committee feels that a better way of measuring is necessary before progress is possible 6.New Grades Originally new grades which had passed the experimental stage were tabled with the Uniform Classification and Grading Committee for classification within existing classifications This Chairman feels that this is desirable and has requested committee members to consider this principle as desirable in the future It seems that in certain cases the rule of 100 ton experimental minimum shipment of the U.C. & G. Committee has not been observed It was suggested that the Committee publish a list of the offenders if any Industrial Relations Committee The Chairman explained that further adjustments were still to be made on the new Bausch & Lomb Automatic Dust Counter in order to obtain proper correlation with the previous instrument impinger The Department of Labour of Quebec the Chairman has been advised intends to propose several amendments to the Labour Code among which a The meaning of the word employee would not exclude foremen i.e. the latter could be allowed to unionize a situation which could result in a conflict of interest b Before the right to strike may be exercised a vote by secret ballot must be taken under the supervision of an officer of the Labour Dept. c Notice of six 6 months by employer when planning a down It seems that the Unions are pressing the Labour Department to establish a Miners Reclassification Fund which could be used to assist employees laid off as a result of curtailment or down of mining operations The Committee is awaiting developments In their effort however to obtain additional compensation for called psychic traumatism resulting from an industrial -7- accident the Unions were flatly told that they were mistaken and lacked information on the functions and personnel of the Workmen's Compensation Board Mine Rescue Station Expenses for 1967 Resolved that the allocation of costs of the Thetford Mines Rescue Station during 1967 be calculated on the following basis Thetford Mines Rescue Station a Building and Equipment Capital cost rent maintenance etc. QMMAPA Solbec QAMA b Superintendent's Salary QMMAPA Shore QAMA 200 305 men men 505 men 628 305 men men 40 60 100 67 33 c Superintendent's Travel Expenses to Gaspe Solbec Cupra New Calumet and Oka QMMAPA QAMA To Asbestos OMMAPA QAMA 933 men 100 100 nil nil 100 General Superintendent Mine Rescue Training Plan Salary and Travel Expenses QMMAPA QAMA 4986 305 men men 5291 men ADOPTED 94 % 100 Traffic Committee A meeting of the Committee was held in Montreal on January 25th and 26th at which time the following matters were dealt with a A meeting with the Canadian Freight Association and Railroads protesting the 10 increase proposed in the Agreed Charges to St. Lawrence ports and as a result of this meeting the increase has now been postponed to April 1st pending further discussions b Decision to make application to the appropriate Railroads for the establishment of 120,000 lb. rates to Official Territory in the United States Agreements with the United Kingdom Cantinental Baltic and Australian Freight Conferences for rates for the coming year at 75 cents more per ton in 1966 an increase of about % whereas all Conferences had been requesting increases ranging from 10 to 15 Legislation and Taxation a The called federal baby budget was passed by the House of Commons which provided amongst other things for an increase in personal income tax for most Canadians and increased the effective rate of federal sales tax from 11 to 12 but this additional % was not made applicable to production machinery construction materials -9- b The difficulties previously reported with respect to a joint submission by this Association and the Quebec Metal Mining Association now appear to be resolved and a final meeting is to be held this month in order to finalize the submission which it is intended to make to the Prime Minister on this subject Public Relations The draft text of the proposed new centennial booklet on the asbestos industry is included in the tabled at the meeting and all members were examine same and send their comments to the working papers requested to Chairman of the Public Relations Committee on or before February 15th b The text of the Expo folder which is to be distributed at the Quebec Pavilion at Expo was reviewed and amended Dust Abatement Committee Reports on dryer dust control have been received from Lake Asbestos Asbestos Corporation Bell Asbestos and Canadian Manville Two only are comprehensive enough to be seriously studied and it is planned to do so at the meeting the Chairman gave In his comments a a description of the extent of our problem by stating figures of dust quantities emitted to the atmosphere at C.J.M. and at Lake Asbestos pointing out the progress over the immediate passed years data on experimental work being presently carried out at -10- Canadian Manville It was pointed out that an improved asbestos cloth might be the answer to the dryer dust abatement problem New Business a The Treasurer tabled the financial statement of the Association for 1966 to be audited in due course b In reply to a request from the 1967 Annual CIM Meeting Committee an amount of 500.00 was proposed as a contribution to the general financing of the meeting to be held in Ottawa March 26 27 28 29 next ADOPTED Method of It was Reporting Average felt advisable to Number review it include the hiring of students tion work of Men Employed present practice does contracting and construc- It was suggested that an Ad Hoc Committee be appointed to look into the matter It was moved that Mr. F.P. Smith be named chairman of such committee with Campbell and G. Robinson as members Messrs J.O. Eby I.C. ADOPTED General Business Conditions Comments suggested that the outlook for 1967 was somewhat muttain U.S. is entangled with the War in fared with a balance of payment problem Vietnam and is The automotive industry is falling behind last year Measures are needed -11- to stimulate the economy of the country Business in Europe however is improving Negociations of major labour agreements coming up and demands could be substantial while the getting is good Indeed 1967 promises to be a challenging year SPECIAL SUMMER MEETING - 1967 Preference was expressed in the following order Murray Bay Seigniory Club St. Andrews N.B. Dates suggested >> August 9 10 11 1967 At this point the meeting was adjourned the next day February 3rd 1967 till 9:30 a.m. sme e222 Beer een neanwwsoaneeceaew e ane Resumption of the 100th Meeting of the QUEBEC ASBESTOS MINING ASSOCIATION The meeting was called to order at 9:30 a.m. with the President asking the Environmental Health of the Institute Chairman of the Occupational and Committee to report on the activities Occupational and Environmental Health Committee At the Jasper meeting explained the Chairman a report on the first meeting of the Scientific Committee of the Institute of Occupational and Environmental Health was submitted Since that time your Committee has attended the Inter- national Congress of Diseases of the Chesitn Copenhagan in August 1966 and sponsored attendance at other meetings such as the International Congress on Occupational Health in Vienne in September 1966 Your Committee attended as well as sponsored attendance at the International Congress in Tokyo in October 1966 At the Quebec meeting of the Association in Institute of Occupational and Environmental organized October the Health was formally Letters patent were issued dated October 11/66 The directors of QAMA were elected directors of the Institute protem and the following were elected to the Executive Committee protem K.V. Lindell Chairman W.W. Oughtred Asbestos Corporation Parker Smith Bell Asbestos Mines Ivan Sabourin Michael J. Messel Lake Asbestos of Quebec Legal Counsel has been asked to serve as Secretary of this Committee The new Committee Saturday January held its first meeting at St. Johns 14th The agenda of the meeting was Iberville 1. Antigua Conference Should we have another and when Estimated cost 50,000.00 2. Proposed Dresden Meeting Eastern Germany 1968 April 22-26 3. World Occupational Health permanent Committee on asbestosis 4. Scientific Committee latitude The Scientific Committee had its second meeting December 10 and 11 Saturday & Sunday in New York City Mr. Lindell and Mr. Sabourin Dr. Cartier and Dr. Smith were invited to attend the Saturday meeting for each member containing a A full copy of report will be prepared all correspondence received date relating to this subject This could be available in the next ten weeks One important date problem area has arisenfrom discussions held While it has been the understanding of the Chairman that the Scientific Committoo would serve in an advisory capacity studying our problem at depth and recommending research or other study he now gets programs that is that these we should undertake - the impression learned men see themselves as a committee studying programs proposed by others and allocating funds to support and sponsor them From the beginning the Chairman has been pointing there were no funds per se and that the members out that of the scien- tific Committee were expected to recommend a program - In other words determine the work to be done - estimate costs ~ then the directors of the Institute would see what could be done The Scientific Committee and possibly view and suggest a fund of say # to 1 their disposal The Chairman repeats his original premise others disagree with this million be placed at that he still adheres to The only other approach would be for the consumers of asbestos getting together and setting up such agree that this Scientific Committee a fund - but would they administer it This problem should be explored with the larger firms first at an early date The Scientific Committee has received and has asked to review several research requests Two of these only opinion funds . projects and advice University of but no funds Sherbrooke - requested The others requested The Committee of course has no funds - Where do we go from here There is a need for an Institute of Occupational and Environmental Health in Canada However only one industry at present has an urgency in this matter How can any other segment of mining or manufacturing in Canada be incited to collaborate on this problem at this time The governments may assist briefs to the Federal and Provincial governments have been submitted but the committee has not had an opportunity to pursue this further Another possibility might be to call on the associations in the U.S. : the Asbestos producers and Asbestos Textile Institute The associations operate on very small budgets and do not have upper echelon participation Hence projects must be confined to Canada or enlist support from the major companies in the U.S. Or else assist the latter in setting up an organization and participate in their program in only a limited way A meeting with one major producer has been arranged for February 13th in New York in an effort to explore the whole matter and determine what is the best approach Following the report of the Chairman Counsel added that the Scientific Committee wished to know if funds were available The members of said committee would like to allocate funds rather than evaluate research projects and make recommendations to QAMA In so doing they would be in a position to supervise pertinent research being carried out the world over Reference was made to several conferences to be held within a year or two and the question was tabled again - is another Antigua conference desirable The laws of the Institute were tabled for review by the executive committee and report to next general meeting Expo '67 The General Manager reviewed the progress of construction of the Asbestos Plaza The rock sculpture is nearing completion and the fountain base piping wiring etc. are being set in place Referring to the guide book distributed at the meeting it was pointed out that the location of the Plaza was most favorable for viewing by visitors because it is near the Canadian Ontario and Quebec pavilions Election of Officers The Chairman of the nominating committee submitted the follow- ing slate of officers and committee chairmen as agreed and proposed by his committee at a meeting of its members Officers and Directors Mr. Michael J. Messel Mr. Mr. W.W. R.S. Oughtred Coleman Mr. K.V. Lindell Mr. J.A. Main Mr. R.J. Merrill Mr. Mr. P.A. F.P. Meyer Smith Mr. Ivan Sabourin Mr. Mr. George Robinson Paul A. Filteau President Vice President Director Director Director Director Director Director Legal Adviser Treasurer General Manager & Secretary Committee Chairmen Mr. R. Hebron Mr. H.W. Foster Mr. I.C. Campbell Mr. I.C. Campbell Mr. J.O. Eby Mr. W.W. Oughtred Mr. K.V. Lindell Mr. J.R.M. Hutcheson Technical Committee Uniform Classification and Grading Committee Public Relations Committee Traffic Committee Industrial Relations Committee Legislation and Taxation Committee Occupational and Environmental Health Committee Dust Abatement Committee ADOPTED The President thanked the directors for their vote of confidence hoping that he would carry on to their satisfaction during the ensuing year The Chairmen of the various committees were to be commended for their work and support In general the President was pleased with the work and activities of the Association New Business It was moved that a salary increase of 300.00 per year be awarded Miss D. C^t^'Quebec Office secretary AGREED Next Regular Meeting Mext meeting of the Association will be held on April 10 1967 in Quebec City Next Special Meeting Dates proposed for a Special Summer Meeting were August 9 10 11 1967. Tentative locations are in order of convenience Murray Bay Seigniory Club St. Andrews N.B. Adjournment There being no further business the meeting was formally terminated MINUTES OF THE 101 MEETING OF THE QUEBEC ASBESTOS MINING ASSOCIATION HELD ON MONDAY APRIL AT THE CHATEAU FRONTENAC 10th 1967 QUEBEC CITY QUE Present Messrs W. K.V. Oughtred Lindell J.A. Main R.J. Merrill P.A. F.P. Meyer Smith F. Bolduc L. Piuze I.C. Campbell R. Hebron D. Poirier M. Prus W.H. Foster P.H. Riordon J.R.M. Hutcheson G. Robinson A.L. Penhale I. Sabourin P.A. Filteau Mr. Oughtred chaired held on February the the meeting 2nd 1967 at Minutes of the meeting the Barbados Hilton W.I. were adopted as submitted by the Secretary and General Man- ager Technical Committee A meeting of the Committee was held on the Chairman of the Committee reported ress as follows April the 4th on the work in and prog- a Oil Absorption Committee - A second Round Robin test has been undertaken but not completed due to delay in delivery of 70 vehicle Results within % deviations are expected b Fibre Strength Unit Committee - It is recommended that a new Robin be conducted to evaluate the im- provements obtained in uniformity of procedure and equip- 12 ment this work to be carried out under the auspices of the Technical Committee and with the agreement of the Uniform Classification and Grading Committee c A.S.T.M. Committee 30 - Tentative procedures have been circulated covering the method and the tap test combined permeability- A procedure for the T & N Vertical Wet Classifier has also been prepared in A.S.T.M. format d A.S.T.M. Committee 13 Committee 4 Magnetic Rating - A Robin is planned to evaluate the T & N Magnetic Rating Analyser and the Wronski Magnetic Balance apparatus M. members and other inter- ested parties will be invited to participate e Unitized Shipments > The committee has held 2 meetings recently at which time a review was made of packaging experiments carried out by some of the com- panies It was mentioned that Canadian Manville was experimenting with of fibre is also being hundred units a twenty container Bailing tried out factories suggest It is to be pointed out however that laminated will still be necessary for factory handling bags f Mines Branch Ottawa - Mr. Winner of Ottawa attended the last meeting of the Committee and reported on the Research work presently being carried out by the Mines Branch Uniform Classification and Grading Committee In his review form had been the Chairman developed by pointed out that a new report the Director of the Sherbrooke 13 Lab to include P.V. Classification if adopted The fibre inspector has started his 1967 fibre selection so as to allow sufficient time to carry out a P.V. selection if such is accepted The Sherbrooke Lab storage room has been converted to cold temperature because discrepancies have been noticed in testing The Lab Director was not permitted to attend the Conference in Cambridge following his request to do SO Industrial Relations Mr. J.R.M. Hutcheson reported on behalf of the Chairman of the Committee Mr. J.0 Eby who was unable at the last minute to attend the meeting The latter had intended to bring to the attention of the meeting that following notification received from the Workmen's Compensation Board that the Merit Rating Rates of our Group had been changed the committee planned to visit with officials of the Commission as soon as possible It was agreed in line with recommendation of the Chairman that the Dust Control Engineer Mr. Lachance would attend the American Industrial Hygiene Conference in Chicago Expected travel expense 400.00 The General Manager tabled a letter to the Honorable Maurice Bellemare Minister of Labour with respect to the proposed establishment of a Provincial Accident Prevention Board thus repealing articles 110 and 111 of the present act The recommendation is that the prevention of accidents in mines and quarries should remain under the jurisdiction of the Department of Natural Resources 14 Other recently proposed amendments to the Workmen's Compensation Act were also stressed specifically that concerning acticle 108 which would deem compensable pneumoconioses complicated with or associated with other industrial diseases resulting in a physical incapacity or death even after an elapsed time of 5 years after leaving employment or exposure to dust breathing It was proposed that counsel and the General Manager meet with the minister and the Commissioners of the Workmen's Compensation Board to discuss this new interpretation and recommend certain limitations Traffic The Chairman was pleased to report that a Negotiations with the Railroads concerning the measure of increase to be applied to the Agreed Charge for shipments to Lawrence ports for the year beginning April 1 1967 have been concluded on the basis of an across increase of 0.01 per 100 lbs as opposed to the 10 increase demanded by the Railroads b The Association's application to the Canadian Railroads for the establishment of 120,000 lbs rates to Official Territory in the United States have been initially turned down on the basis that the Railroads could not supply sufficient foot cars for such movement Inasmuch as it is our actual practice to load 120,000 lbs excl spinning fibre in foot cars we intend to reopen the question 15 The ocean freight rates to India Pakistan Ceylon etc. are being increased by 1.50 per ton or approximately % effective June 1st Heretofore there had been no increase in this trade since 1965 d The situation with respect to loading asbestos at the docks in London was still somewhat precarious Public Relations According to the chairman the brochure for distribution at Expo has been corrected and is going to press this week The new edition of the Asbestos P.R. booklet has been re- written edited and will be going to press shortly It was suggested however that the new version should be circulated to all Members for final approval before distribution The piece of ore for the fountain at the Asbestos Plaza at Expo in Montreal has been delivered and will be installed this week Legislation and Taxation a The Chairman reported on the Carter Commission and it was agreed that any representations made by the Asso- ciation to the Federal Government on this subject should best be carried out through the auspices of the Mining Association of Canada b The Quebec provincial sales tax has been increased from 6 to % and regulations have been issued whereby the amount of power consumed by industry for productive purposes heretofore taxed on the basis of actual 16 consumption for such productive purposes will now be taxed at a minimum of 10 and provincial freight charges which are not taxable will however be taxable in the event that they are invoiced concurrently by the supplier with the goods c The special federal refundable corporation tax of % has been rescinded effective 31st March 1967 and at the same time the temporary reduction in certain capital cost allowance on property acquired after March 29 1966 has also been rescinded d There has been a further delay by the Quebec Metal Mining Association in making joint representations with us to the Provincial Government on the Belanger Commission and the Quebec Mining Act which has been brought about by disagreement on the part of Noranda Mr. Filteau reported that QMMA is agresable to make a joint submission at some mutually convenient date in the month of May Occupational and Environmental Health Committee Proposed laws prepared by Counsel have been distributed to the members of the Executive Committee for their perusal The Chairman explained that he was trying to obtain a research assistance program from the Scientific Committee specifically a review and a detailed list of the immediate work to be done to answer accusations from certain quarters if funds were available Following Dr. Pelnar's report on his recent trip to Europe such a program is expected to be submitted by the end of the month of April 17 Antigua ference Conference be held under It is proposed that the auspices of our a second ConAssociation Only top scientists are to be invited to express their thoughts on the asbestosis incidence and its biological effects An agenda and a special program are being prepared by the Executive Committee Estimated cost - 50,000 Motion seconded and adopted Certain members indicated that customers were asking about asbestos dust as a health hazard Where any company wish to reply it should be merely stated that like for any dust care must be taken in handling asbestos All scientific data should be left out because still debatable It was moved and seconded that a note of sympathy should be addressed to the family of Dr. Vidal upon his recent death April 9th Dust Abatement Committee A meeting of the Committee was held on March 17. In this connection the Chairman wishes to report that the position of his committee calls for a free interchange of information between member companies The Committee plans to investigate into the following dust abatement possibilities a Dryer Stack Control b Electrostatic precipitation c Sprinkling and covering of tailings piles to prevent blowing of dust 17 Antigua ference Conference be held under It is proposed that the auspices of our a second ConAssociation Only top scientists are to be invited to express their thoughts on the asbestosis incidence and its biological effects An agenda and a special program are being prepared by the Executive Committee Estimated cost - 50,000 Motion seconded and adopted Certain members indicated that customers were asking about asbestos dust as a health hazard Where any company wish to reply it should be merely stated that like for any dust care must be taken in handling asbestos All scientific data should be left out because still debatable It was moved and seconded that a note of sympathy should be addressed to the family of Dr. Vidal upon his recent death April 9th Dust Abatement Committee A meeting of the Committee was held on March 17. In this connection the Chairman wishes to report that the position of his committee calls for a free interchange of information between member companies The Committee plans to investigate into the following dust abatement possibilities a Dryer Stack Control b Electrostatic precipitation c Sprinkling and covering of tailings piles to prevent blowing of dust 8 Ad Hoc Committee on Method of Reporting Number of Exployees Nothing to report at this time Expo'67 The rock sculpture has been moved to the site and necessary piping is presently being installed for the proper operation of the fountain Asbestos cement planters and seats to be put in place in time for official opening of Expo New Business Soviet Visit - The U.S.S.R. has agreed to the visit of a Canadian Mining delegation but would allow the delegates to see only one asbestos mining operation Should the delegates of the Asbestos Industry be sponsored or not by Q.A.M.A. This does not meet with the consensus of the directors and accordingly it is proposed and seconded that formal sponsorship be given by Q.A.M.A. but without any cost to the Association ADOPTED Car Mileage - In reply to a question by the Treasurer it was agreed that car mileage travelled by Association Employees should be reimbursed at a rate of ten cents per mile Montreal Office - It was pointed out that the Secretary in the Montreal Office had been required to work overtime hours on many an occasion Moreover the effects of increased cost of living brought about by Expo are felt in more than 19 one way It but that if rate of time was agreed that overtime should be avoided necessary it should be remunerated at the and a half Additional help is foreseeable for the not too distant future Special Guests at coming meetings - Mr. V.C. Wansbrough President It was agreed and Executive that Ma- nager of the Mining Association of Canada be invited to the Special Summer Meeting at the Manoir Richelieu An invitation should be forwarded to Honorable Maurice Bellemare and his deputy Mr. Donat Quimper for luncheon following the next regular meeting of the Association on May 29 1967 It is understood that Mr. J. Christian of Cassiar Asbestos Corporation receives a standing invitation to all meetings of the Association Adjournment There being no further business the meeting was formally terminated MINUTES OF THE 102 MEETING OF THE QUEBEC ASBESTOS MINING ASSOCIATION HELD ON MONDAY MAY 29 , 1967 AT THE CHATEAU FRONTENAC QUEBEC CITY QUE Present Messrs M.J. Messel R.S. Coleman K.V. Lindell R. Merrill P.A. F.P. Meyer Smith F. Bolduc I.C. Campbell Yvan Couture Hebron J.O. W.H. Eby Foster J.R.M. Hutcheson D. Poirier P.H. Riordon Geo Robinson I. Sabourin Paul A. Filteau Mr. Michael J. Messel a motion the minutes 10th 1967 in Quebec presided the meeting of the meeting held on City were adopted Following April the Technical Committee The Chairman stated that a meeting of his committee was held on Thurday May 25th to consider 2 questions Unit- ized shipments and the Copant questionnaire 1.- In the case of Unitized shipments several meetings of the committee have been held to determine the type of unit load best suited to satisfy the demands of the English dockers for proof packaging tives of all companies were called Representain and in addition members of traffic and sales attended the last two sessions Various designs of ton units have been studied and after considering that a move to unitization might be required in a hurry two have been selected The two types are palletized units and are available for imme- diate use at customers expense a a palletized ton cardboard container at 10.00 per ton b a palletized twenty laminated unit at an esti- mated 8.00 per ton It was agreed that no trial shipments of palletized units should be made until situation on the English docks regarding unitization has been clarified and also that no tonnage should be shipped to England in paper bags unless these are overwrapped 2.- As to the Copant questionnaire the QAMA Technical Com- mittee has reviewed and accepted the answers proposed by J.R.M. Hutcheson and checked by H. Foster and Hebron The Committee now wishes to submit the answers for approval by the Directors After perusal that the word of answers fines be by the meeting used instead of it is proposed dust to define the particles that past through the finest screen and also not to indicate the type of Asbestos Chrysotile on bags as suggested if Copant agrees The answers to be submitted to A.S.T.M. on June 28 13 Uniform Classification and Grading Committee In his report the Chairman stated that the Committee had met on May 23rd and that matters on the agenda of interest to the Q.A.M.A. Directors could be summarized as follows 1.- It is proposed to revive random visits of the Fibre Inspector to all companies plants to check the Q.S. tests of shipments This is in line with the Suggested Controls for the Quebec Point Value Classification paragraph 4 which was submitted to the Q.A.M.A. Direc- tors in Barbados At this point the president sub- mitted that members were not ready to vote on the matter since unanimity had not been reached yet 2.- The new salary schedules for the Sherbrooke Lab personel of which each Director received copy at the meeting is submitted for approval by the Directors as per recommendations of the committee Moved and accepted A McNett classification based on points developed by Mr. Cossette has impressed the Chairman of the Committee and he feels that the system has merit Rather than attempting to develop a complete classification covering all grades produced it is suggested to draw up a list of classifications presently being used by certain producers The subject of trial grades and the desirability of sub- mission to the Committee after 100 tons of shipments is emphasized As the cial one yet then Q.S. Classification is the only fibres must be classified under offiQ.5 This will be done in future for some grades not so clas- sified at present 14 5.- In regards to a new classification for 3 Group fibres the general opinion is that some fairly competent people had and were working on this and until they reached better conclusions or methods than available now a new classification seemed difficult if not impossible The desirability of Ottawa coming up with a true measure of fibre length was stressed and the Chairman will carry this message to Ottawa Industrial Relations Committee The Chairman had nothing special to report except that new wage contracts had been signed by certain companies Following a request made at the previous meeting of the Association representations were made by Counsel and General Manager to the minister of Labour Mr. Donat Quimper on the proposed amendment to claude 108 of the Workmen's Compensation Act dealing with pneumo- coniosis claims Subsequently a brief was prepared by Counsel and submitted A few days later at a meeting of QMMA representatives and QAMA General Manager with Hono- rable M. mutually Bellemare acceptable the matter was again debated phraseology was proposed and and a tenta- tively agreed Again in were held the field of Workmen's Compensation meetings with Dr. B. Bellemare to review the matter of aggravation of an incapacity and to determine W.C.C. Policy - Case of R. Gourde Flintkote Company The rule is that where an injured employee already incapacitated with the lost of one eye ( 16 or 18 is rehired and later loses the other eye he becomes 100 disabled 5 However in the case of the second eye the Company is charged with the equivalent of the lost of one eye 16 or 18 , and the balance 100 - 32 or 36 68 or 64 is charged to the Workmen's Compensation General Fund to which all employeers contribute The Mine Rescue Safety Competition was held in ThetfordMines on Saturday May 27 8 teams participated and the competition was won by the team from Bell Asbestos Mines Congratulations extended to the company for their successful performance Traffic Committee The Chairman was pleased to advise that the Q.A.M.A. Traffic Committee met on May 16th and agreed to resubmit to the Canadian Railroads the proposal for the establishment of 120,000 lbs rates to Official Territory It was reported that two of the major lines in the River Plate & Brazil Conference had resigned from the Conference and were offering conference service to that area The Traffic Committee agreed that in the light of probable retal- iatory action on the part of the flag lines in the Conference that we would have to stay with the Conference at least until the situation was clarified The Russians are offering a conference service to the Mediterranean this year which members will probably use The Chairman of the Committee reported on the current situation in the U.K. with respect to the handling of asbestos at various ports and in particular London where it was advised that the dock workers have stipulated that From Monday 31st July 1967 unless Asbestos previously transported in bags is packed in Dustproof Containers or where Asbestos has been taken out at another Port but loose remains on other cargo not to handle that cargo or this commodity The asbestos importers group in the U.K. is going to continue to try and persuade the dock workers that asbestos in laminated jute bags is safe to handle and that dustproof containers are not required It seems U.K. at likely however least to London that that if members are shipments will to ship to have to be the either in containers or in palletized cardboard covered unit loads as developed by the Unitization Committee of the Technical Committee and that regardless of the type of the container that juste laminated bags will have to be used Legislation and Taxation Committee The presentation of the joint brief to the Prime Minister on the B^'langer Commission has again been delayed The Quebec Metal Mining Association brief might be revised in the light has suggested of the Carter that this Commission 17 report but it is the opinion of our Committee that this is not necessary or advisable Similarly the Q.M.M.A. are considering the preparation of a brief to the Provincial Government on the effects of the Carter Commission but this is a useless exercise again our Committee and that the Quebec feels that Government is well aware of the implications of the report on the resources industry of the Province Attention was drawn to the amendments to be made to the Quebec Income Corporations Tax Act Tax Act Bill 56 Bill 57 and the Provincial Public Relations Committee The new contennial asbestos booklet is going to press this week The Expo asbestos pamphlet Quebec Pavilion as well as has the been Esso distributed at the Expo Information Centres Arrangements are being made to have a plaque placed at the Asbestos Plaza at Expo and to change the location of the sign It was agreed that the Public Relations Committee should study the to inform possibility of preparing some programme our employees of the serious effects of designed the Carter Commission recommendations on the mining industry and their jobs Occupational and Environmental Health Committee Revisions to laws to be forwarded to Counsel for his review and finalized text to be submitted for approval at next meeting Meanwhile the Scientific Committee has asked three doctors to attempt to define is the problem concerning occupational and environmental health in the asbestos industry In such 8 a question an orderly approach is needed The doctors have held two meetings so far and it is believed that an other one is necessary before an answer could be finalized Antigua Conference - Twelve doctors out of twenty invited have replied so far It might be deemed advisable to send a few additional invitations in order to have at the meeting the experts called for by the program This might involve an additional expenditure An agenda divided into three phases and assigned to three moderators is being prepared C In reply to the question raised by Counsel as to possible collaboration from industry concerning doctor Selikoff's search to make asbestos impermeable to health hazards it was pointed out that this would be in effect admitting that asbestos is actually noxious to which counsel stated that no such admission ( it had been agreed between Dr. Selikoff and Counsel would be assumed Dust Abatement Committee The Chairman stated that first reading had been given in the Federal House to Bill 25 which calls for the establishment of a National Pollution Abatement Code and National Standards for analytical techniques The the Committee will soon be in a position to experiment with three practical dust abatement methods now available A dry filtration unit is being designed A wet filtration unit is being installed A firm proposal to set up an electric precipitation unit has been submitted by the Precipitation Company of Canada Limited New Business Provincial Mines Ministers Conference - This conference will be held in Regina September 17-20 1967 and members are asked to propose subjects which might be included in the agenda of the meeting Ontario Mining Association Annual Meeting - This meeting is scheduled for June 19-21 1967 at Muskoka Lake and the Directors of the Association are cordially invited Mexican Visit > The mission is made up of 5 persons from industry and government in Mexico and is cheduled to visit the asbestos operations in the latter half of September 1967 The General Manager has been delegated to coordinate the trip with Mr. Mulvihill of the Federal Department of Trade & Commerce Treasurer 1. It was reported that the Bank of Montreal had recently opened a branch on the campus of the University of Sherbrooke and therefore it was felt that it would be more convenient to have the Association's Sherbrooke account at that Branch rather than at the King and Bryant Streets Branch of the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce where it is presently located On motion duly seconded it was therefore unanimously resolved that WHEREAS the Bank of Montreal has opened a branch at the University of Sherbrooke Sherbrooke Que 10 AND WHEREAS it was deemed expedient for the transaction of its business that the Association's Sherbrooke Bank Account be located at the said Branch of the Bank of Montreal BE IT THEREFORE RESOLVED THAT the Treasurer of the Association be and he is hereby authorized to open a current account at the University of Sherbrooke Branch of the Bank of Montreal THAT any one of the following officers of the Association be and they are hereby authorized to sign cheques drawn on the said account namely 1 The President 2 The General Manager and Secretary 3 The Treasurer 4 The Director of the Association's Testing Research Laboratory at the University of Sherbrooke THAT the Treasurer be and he is hereby authorized to complete and sign on behalf of the Association the usual forms required by the Bank for the opening and conducting of the said account AND THAT consequently the present Bank account located at the King and Bryant Streets Branch of the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce be closed 11 2. In view of the changes in the Executive of the Asbestos Corporation Limited it was deemed expedient to amend the list of Officers who are authorized to sign cheques etc. drawn on the Association's Bank account with the Royal Bank of Canada Thetford Mines Branch On motion duly seconded it was therefore unanimously resolved of Mr. THAT effective immediately H.W. FOSTER be added to the list the name of Officers who are authorized to sign cheques etc. on behalf of the Association and drawn on the Association's Bank account with the Royal Bank of Canada Thetford Mines Branch and that the name of Mr. Peter H. Riordon be deleted therefrom The Meeting was advised that the Association appeared as beneficiary under the insurance policies taken out on the life of Paul Filteau and wishing to have this changed on motion duly seconded it was unanimously resolved that WHEREAS under date of September 10th 1963 The Manufacturers Life Insurance Company issued Policy No. 1,747,546 for 24,000.00 and Policy No. 1,747,547 for 6,000.00 on the life of Paul A. Filteau General Manager and Secretary of the Association WHEREAS the Quebec Asbestos Mining Associa- tion was named the beneficiary of the said two policies 12 the AND WHEREAS it is deemed beneficiary of the said policies expedient to change BE IT THEREFORE RESOLVED THAT The Manufacturers Life Insurance Company be hereby requested and authorized to change the name of the beneficiary of their Policy No. 1,747,546 and of their Policy No. 1,747,547 which policies were issued on the life of Paul A. Filteau General Manager and Secretary of this Association under date of September 10th 1963 by deleting the name of the " QUEBEC ASBESTOS MINING ASSOCIATION and substitute in its place LEGAL HEIRS of the Insured AND THAT the Treasurer be and he is hereby authorized to take the necessary steps with the Insurance Company to give effect to this Resolution and to sign on behalf of the Association all documents pertaining thereto Approval is being requested for an amount of 699.56 as an addition to Dr. McDonald's budget this amount covers office facilities provided for the Doctor McDonald's personel at the Thetford Clinic funds are unsufficient To be granted if present The books of the Association have been audited and copies of report will be sent to Directors 13 Next Meeting It was agreed that no regular meeting will be held prior to the Special Summer Meeting at Le Manoir Richelieu from August 9 to 12 next With respect to the latter meeting it was decided to invite the President and the Secretary of the Quebec Metal Mining Association as special guests Adjournment Adjournment There being no terminated further business the meeting was formally The minister of of the Association for Labour Mr. Donat Quimper was guest luncheon following the meeting Paul A. Filteau Secretary & General Manager MINUTES OF THE SPECIAL MEETING OF THE QUEBEC ASBESTOS MINING ASSOCIATION HELD ON THURSDAY AUGUST 10th 1967 AT THE MANOIR RICHELIEU MURRAY BAY QUEBEC Present Messrs M.J. Messel W. W. R.S. Oughtred Coleman K.V. Lindell J.A. Main R.J. Merrill P.A. F.P. Meyer Smith R.D. Bradford I.C. Campbell M.P. Carson D.T. Colton Y. Couture R. Hebron J.W. Duncan J.O. W. Eby Foster R.P. N.W. L.G. Gagnon Hendry Langlois Dr. P. Pelnar L. Piuze D. Poirier P.H. Riordon G.C. Scowcroft Dr. G.W. Wright G. Robinson I. Sabourin Paul A. Filteau Occupational and Environmental Health Committee The President Mr. Messel invited K.V. Lindell Chairman of the Occupational and Environmental Health Committee to lead the discussion After a asked Dr. G.W. Wright to few words of introduction Mr. Lindell review the work of the Scientific Committee during the past year Dr. Wright repeated that there is definitely a threat of clear evidence of lung cancer associated with asbestos fibre This facthas led to the development of the Institute of Occupational and Environmental Health in order to cope with ... the problems involved Within tific Committee which has over the the Institute there is past year developed a Sciennew in- formation on the subject with the aim to advise on how to uti- lize asbestos fibre without danger to health The members of the Scientific Committee and their reputation are well known they are Dr. Fernand Gr^'goire Dr. Marvin Kuschner Dr. Daniel Braun Dr. Paul Kotin Or John Beattie Dr. Geo.W. Wright Dr. P. Pelnar Secretary With respect to significant publications issued last year on the problem it can be said that the information given is rather directional and not quantitative Three of these papers are of special interest 1. One by Dr. Enterline which shows that there are excessive deaths among the asbestos textile population _ 2. The second one is a follow by Dr.Selikoff on asbestos exposure smoking and neoplasia This study points to the relationship between the two factors in lung cancer - Cocarcinogenesis This leads to articles such as that which appeared about Expo 3. A third one by Dr. Cralley suggests that metals incorporated with fibres may be the cause of cancer There is a need and the Scientific Committee is looking for reliable data other than that provided by a study of a group of insulation workers The epidemiological survey of Dr. McDonald is a good case with chrysotile fibre and the kind of study required with well defined exposures Dr. McDo / nald also proposes to study the incidence of mesothelioma in Canada ... More studies especially prospective studies are badly needed and interest in that type of work must be gene- rated Information is also lacking on the basic chemical and biological action of asbestos on the body work in this field must be promoted At this point Dr. Wright tabled the proposed agenda for the second Antigua Conference The agenda is divided into four 4 parts 1. Characterization and control of environmental exposure 2. Interaction between asbestos and biological system 3. Disease in man epidemiology 4. Report from various countries So far appreciable information have been collected under the supervision of Dr. Pelnar in the Montreal Office Any request for information to be directed to this Office Q.A.M.A. is also fortunate to have Messrs Lindell and Sabourin on the Executive Committee to discuss and stimulate the thinking of the members of the Scientific Committee particularly vis the work of Dr. Selikoff who has been a healthy nemesis The President having expressed sincere thanks to Dr. Wright the Chairman of the Committee then submitted two additional lists of guests recommended to participate in the ..4. Antigua Conference The ve an additional expense participation of this group will involof 35,000.00 The Chairman moved that such an amount less any sums than can be recovered from the regular budgets be approved as to complete the invitations and program of the proposed Antigua Conference ADOPTED The Secretary of the Executive Committee was asked to report and did so by distributing a detailed report covering meetings of the Scientific Committee various Scientific Symp- osia specimens of current papers and information on environ- mental research laboratory The question was raised as to the recent bad publicity concerning asbestos and health Not only has Dr. Selikoff's latest paper been given wide publicity across Canada concerning the alleged relationship between smoking asbestos lung cancer but the Financial Post recently had an article on asbestos insulation in British railway coaches which seems almost actionable The Public Relations Committee is of the opinion that the time has come for us to produce some rebuttal and is anxious to meet with the Scientific Committee of the Occupational and Environmental Health Committee with a view to discussing the possibilities of providing some counter propaganda as agreed at the Jasper meeting last Summer ... It was stated by the Chairman that it was not possible at this time to produce any publicity such as suggested by the Public Relations Committee since sufficient scientific data is not yet available ever should any company wish to issue pertinent information it could very well use some of the publicity recently released in England To this effect copies of said releases will be distributed to all members for the use of their individual company Effects of the Carter Report on the Mining Industry At a joint meeting of the QMMA and GAMA Taxation Committee it was agreed that some representations should be made to the Provincial Government as to the effects of the Carter Commission Recommendations insofar as they concern the mining industry The mechanics of making such representations were discussed and it was suggested that there were two 2 ways of doing this a Write directly to the Prime Minister offering to make such representations if he so wished either to him directly or to the Committee which we understand has been set up to study the effects of the Carter Commission Report on Quebec or b Talk to the Minister of Finance Mr. Dozois at the time of presenting the brief on the B^'langer Commission making the same offer ... / In the meantime members are to review the preli- minary draft of the brief to the Mining Association of Cana- da to the Federal Government with a view to including a copy of it with any representations made to Quebec with our en- dorsation and together with any supporting evidence would be available with particular reference to the of Quebec which Province It was felt that similar factors apply in consi- dering whether the Quebec Mining Association should also make representations to Ottawa little time available bearing in mind that there is very Effectively a draft letter has been prepared by the Secretary of the Taxation Committee Mr. Victor Onge covering several aspects of the Carter Report said letter to beaddressed to the Prime Minister of this Province This letter stresses the economic contribution of the mining industry to Quebec through employment tax assessments support to secon- dary industry etc. Cases of doubtful mining projects as a result of the Carter Recommendations would be pointed out well as the importance of mining incentives in determining as the economics when the decision must be made to develop or not a newly discovered orebody Cartier Since the meeting of the Taxation Committee Quebec Mining Company offered copies of a typical letter to suppliers in which recommendations of it requested their support the Carter Commission with in opposing the respect to the mining industry since suppliers would be indirectly affected by any change in the tax burden of the mining industry ... Special Winter Meeting Dates suggested are the first part of the fourth 4th week of January or March preferably March The place could be 1. The Hilton Head Hotel 2. Grand Bahama Club 3. Santa Barbara Biltmore Next Regular Meeting The next regular meeting of the Association will be held on October 16 1967 in Quebec City Adjournment There being no further business the meeting is formally adjourned Paul A. Filteau Secretary & General Manager MINUTES OF THE SPECIAL MEETING J. N. DEPOSITION EXHIBIT Sayone 433 433 OF THE QUEBEC ASBESTOS MINING ASSOCIATION HELD ON MARCH 28 AND 29 1968 AT THE GRAND BAHAMA HOTEL AND COUNTRY CLUB G.B. Present Messrs W.W. J.A. R.J. M. J. P.A. P.A. P.A. F.P. F.P. A. H. A.R.D. R.D. C.B. C.B. I.C. P.AI.C. I.C. Oughtred Lindell Main Merrill Messel Meyer Smith Bagenstose Bradford Burnett Campbell THURSDAY.MARCH THURSDAY.MARCH 28 M.P. M.P. D.T. D.T. Y. Couture R. R. Hebron W. J.D. A.R. R.PW. G. R.P. N.W. Gabrielson R.M. Hutcheson J.A. D. Marcotte R.N. Moore A.L. Penhale L. Piuze D. Poutiatine W. Smith G. Robinson I. Sabourin Paul Filteau The President Mr. W.W. Oughtred expressed words of welcome to Grand Bahama to members and guests and more specifically to Messrs Fisher Marcotte Moore and Bagenstose Minutes of the meeting of January the 15th were adopted TECHNICAL COMMITTEE PRODUCEL PRODUCEL PRODUCEL PRODUCEL PRODUCEL PRODUCELPPRRODUCEOL DPRUODCUECELL a Soe Two meetings of this committee have been held since the last special meeting ... The first point submitted by the Chairman was the Penetration Index Test which has been three years in development A mea- sure of the amenability oil is measured by this of a sample of asbestos fibre to absorb procedure by the ease of a ball to des- cend through a mixture of oil and fibre conded the test procedure was adopted by On a motion duly the Directors se- To the request by the Directors for a scale of rates for dra- wings of apparatus developed by Q.A.M A. member companies divergent views were expressed by the committee members After a brief discussion it was moved that there be no charge for said drawings Adopted When the sampling procedure was tried by all parties vendor and buyer it was found inconvenient A large pile of bags in sto- rage could not be sampled without moving all the bags at an expense To cover this condition a less rigorous method has been added to the procedure There is however emphasis that for referee purposes the original procedure be used This Committee wishes to suggest the additional method stay the Q.A.M.A. and not go to A.5.T.M. or other associations with The suggestion that the Manual of Testing Procedures be translated into French was placed before the Directors It was decided to inquire if Eternit had already made a translation of the Manual Mr. D. Poutiatine After a discussion of the motion word Chrysotile on fibre bags 7th Copant Meeting it was regarding the printing of the motion which was vetoed at the moved that the word Chrysotile be printed prominently on all bags going to American countries Such printing is optional on bags Adopt CODUCED CODUCED going to other countries CODUCED CODUCED CODUCED JN 23/3 In view of the zero threshold limit placed on crocidolite dust exposure in Great Britain it is deemed advisable that some words of caution be printed on fibre bags to release the producers from possible legal responsibility Industry that it handles a hazardous material and the suggestion meet with favorable consensus The wording proposed is knows seems as follows follows THIS PRODUCT CONTAINS ASBESTOS INHALATION OF ASBESTOS DUST OVER LONG PERIODS MAY BE HARMFUL EMPLOYEES EXPOSED TO DUST DURING USE IN APPLICATION SHOULD BE EQUIPPED WITH ADEQUATE PERSONAL PROTECTIVE DEVICES The above to be checked by member company counsels and reviewed at the next meeting UNIFORM CLASSIFICATION AND GRADING COMMITTEE 1 Sherbrooke Laboratory The and purchase of equipment to carry out measuring diameters using the method developed by the of fibre lengt Department of Mines will be be 1,740.00 completed by April Two girls will be 1st Cost of equipment will required to carry out the counting and measuring Included in 1968 budget ) Fibre Inspector An increase in salary for the Fibre Inspector from 719.00 per month to 754.00 per month effective January 1 1968 is proposed This coincides with 1968 budget and with salary increases by Asbestos Corporation Limited Adopted PRODUCED PRODUCED PRODUCED eh. wae 83 . 83 ... Some misunderstandings in regards to Q.S. Sampling were settled at a Committee meeting on March 7. These were > a Experimental grades are understanding that only formed to be sampled with the a Q.S. test is to be per- b Only J.M. 4T is to be hand times before conditioning as Asbestos Fibre Conditioner pressed normal three in the The purpose for reporting individual grades and tonnages of 7 Group fibres on the Monthly Shipping Report made by all com- panies each month explained It was shown that such detailed reporting eliminated a great many questions INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS COMMITTEE As reported by the Chairman the report on Bausch and Counter indicates that the November correlation tests Lomb were Dust ex- cellent but that the January tests show very poor results The machine has been returned for a check to the manufacturer It may be that cold and humidity affect the results It is proposed to circulate to members of the committee various articles on the medical problem The noise surveys by the corrective on high frequency are continuing and the engineer is encouraged steps He suggests that we take further action noises PRODUCED PRODUCED PRODUCED PRODUCED PRODUCED JM 583 Moved as of that an increase in salary May 1 1968 be granted to from 800. to 850. our Dust and Noise Engineer Adopted To replace the services formerly provided by Hall and Henshaw it is moved that a safety engineer be hired on the staff of Q.A.M.A. Adopted As to Workmen's Compensation rates you will be pleased to note that the mutual has dropped from 80 to 40 and changed from a deficit to a surplus of 262,000 We are in a much better the position and possibly mutual should be reduced next year The Provincial Labour Department and the Workmen's Compensation Commission as a result of renewed representations from the Steelworkers Union are again building pressure on industry in favor of a provincial accident prevention commission A meeting of industrial accident prevention associations was called recently by the Minister of Labour for the object of discussing the future of said associations and the role of an eventual Accident Preven- tion Commission a new Board which the Workmen's Compensation proposes and wishes the Government to establish The department claims that the regrouping of all inspection ser- vices under one head would eliminate duplication of investigations reports and time consuming discussions with employers On the other hand it was pointed out that the present quality of Mine Inspection Services could be diluted as a result of integra- tion with other groups of inspectors and their loss of contact with the Department of Natural Resources The latest news is that the Government is going ahead with the project The report from Dr. Letendre on the subject of a Provincial Mining will soon be forwarded to all members It is encouraging angles except He considers the severance pay federal regulations cover all The General Manager reported on the suggestion of Q.M.M.A. as to the possibility of an employer's group in Class 5 for W.C.C. submissions There is some merit in this suggestion The matter to be reviewed at a future meeting Labor negotiations at locations concerned are progressing somewhat slowly Unions are seeking a year contract and looking towards eventual industry bargaining TRAFFIC COMMITTEE A. Ocean Rates The Traffic Committee has been very active in the past few months endeavouring to settle rates for ocean carriage of asbestos in the major trading have taken place areas for the coming season and several meetings Our efforts have been complicated by the exists at St. Lawrence River Ports where tract and the prospects for a reasonable opening of navigation were doubtful An tely been signed on March 26 stevedoring situation which there was no labour consolution before the agreement has fortuna- As of the time of writing increases had the following conferences for the period 31 1969 been negotiated April 1 1968 - with March 1 2 3 Canada UK Conference - 1.25 if warranted Canada - Baltic Conference > plus emergency as for U.K. surcharge Canada - Australia Zealand Conference - 1.75 plus emergency surcharge if warranted Negotiations with the Canada Continental Conference have been protracted settlement and can difficult and it seems doubtful whether be reached with them for less than 2.00 any per ton accompanied by some deterioration in service particularly to France Inland Rates The agreed charge rate to St. Lawrence River Ports was due to expire on March 31st but by taking a firm stand the committee was for successful in renewing on a period of one more year behalf of Q.A.M.A. the agreement without any increase in the rate In anticipation of a reduction in the the shut down of St. Lawrence rail rate of 2.10 per ton to River Ports Halifax and St. John has been negotiated with both the CNR and CPR on a tempo- rary emergency basis The question of the establishment of 120,000 lb. rates to Official Territory is being carried on our agenda until a comparable pro- posal emanating from Canadian west coast origins has been approved LEGISLATION AND TAXATION COMMITTEE profits The Chairman stressed that taxes were going up faster b.. oss ae Tet e ee Rsisg lee. we SE profits ./8 A % surcharge on corporation profits as part of the Federal Government's new tax measures will become effective April 1 As of this date also the personal income tax surcharge of % in force since January 1 will drop to % The Provincial Government has made known March 27 in submitting its 1968 budget that a % personal income tax surcharge was to be made retroactive to January 1 and that the tax on gasoline and Diesel Oil were being increased by 3 cents as of March 28 PUBLIC RELATIONS COMMITTEE The Chairman PR Counsel as follows tabled the report submitted by the Association's The President then briefly reviewed the main points a The inference that separatist movements tentatively sponsored by business are to be led by speaking elements merely as a front is unfounded b Increased automation may cause the unions to demand guaranteed annual wages c Premer Johnson might try to be more friendly with labour should Trudeau and Marchand become the leaders in Ottawa as a result industry could be affected d The Producer has been refreshed in appearance and content with copy prepared by a language reporter e The work of the Institute of Occupational and Environmental Health should be made known with more diligence and so before the information is disseminated from outside sources PRODUCEL PRODUCEL DUST ABATEMENT COMMITTEE Reporting on progress date the chairman stated that Clone Scrubber under test at C.J should reduce to a tolerable level the corrosion problems encountered with the conventional mild steel rotor The cloth collector is being installed at scheduled for May 1st C.J with comple- The new drying unit at C.J will be equipped with either the Clone or the Wheelabrator dust collecting unit depending on results of the current tests The Krebs cyclone for Clone slimes has been as a solution to this possible use in watering investigated and cannot be recovery problem the Rotorecommended At Asbestos Corporation Limited a definite proposal for a 120,000 cfm electrostatic precipitation plant is under serious study A 95 efficiency is guaranteed In order to inform members of new dust control improvements completed in certain plants it was moved that the reports of surveys which the Dust Control Engineer submits pericdically to individual member companies be circulated to all companies Adopted 10 NEW BUSINESS 1 Law No. 8 A Law to modify concerning a Staff Law No. 7 Pension Plan governing the Trust Agreement Trust on the No. 7 WHEREAS Law Number 6 being a law Agreement Concerning a Staff Pension Plan 28th day of October 1963 and was modified enacted on the 12th day of December 1966 governing the was enacted by Law AND WHEREAS the provisions of the said Law Number 7 dealing with the Termination of Service requires to be further amended in order to conform with the Quebec Supplemental Pension Plans Act NOW THEREFORE BE IT ENACTED AND IT IS HEREBY ENACTED as Law Number 8 of the Association as follows THAT the words Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph c above it is provided that be deleted at the commencement of the last paragraph of Section 2 of the said Law Number 7 and that the following words be substituted therefor Notwithstanding any provision in this Plan it is provided that 2 CIM Annual Meeting in Vancouver B.C. Adopted As in past years it was proposed that the Association contribute to the financing of social events of the meeting in the amount of 500.00 Adopted PRODUCEL PRODUCEL PRODUCEL 11 GENERAL BUSINESS CONDITIONS The economic situation is confused In many cases ratio of earnings to sales will likely be lower in 1968. Housing starts expected to be lower 1,350,000 than originally estimated Labour agreements are proving more expensive Fortunately certain sectors are enjoying good business It is to be hoped the U.S. will escalate in Vietnam which would help balance the budget and stimulate the construction industry Presently there is a shortage of mortgage financing If war in Vietnam continues there might be some severe belt tightening In Canada the situation is somewhat parallel Productivity is not increasing In spite of the difficult fiscal problems federal and provincial governments are not curtailing expenditures It is hoped that the new Prime Minister will give to the country strong leadership REVISED DATES AND LOCATIONOSF MEETINGS Following a meetings on of the 1968 poll of the members it has been agreed to hold the a Tuesday instead of regular meetings are Monday Consequently as follows the dates . May 28 July 30 and November 26 1968 N.B.- Date The meetings of May 28 subsequently changed to May will be held at the Bonaventure Hotel 31 in Montreal Due to lack of space has been from September space at reserved 19 to 22 the Seigniory at the Castle next Club on Harbour dates requested Hotel Bermuda ae ./12 7 Sof as teh we a. 12 The 1969 Winter Meeting is to be moved back to April 16-19 1969 Location is again Bermuda A tentative schedule of future special for the next two or three years by the meetings to be prepared General Manager RIORDON In a unanimous motion it convey to Mr. Riordon the was proposed that the General Manager best wishes of all for his prompt recovery and his resumption of usual activities in due course The group is sorry he could not attend the meeting ADJOURNMENT There being no further business the meeting was terminated Paul General Filteau Manager & Secretary SPECIAL MEETING GRAND BAHAMA HOTEL AND COUNTRY CLUB G.B. FRIDAY MARCH 29. 1968 Dr. Wright attended the meeting as Chairman of Committee of the Institute of Occupational and Health the Scientific Environmental INSTITUTE OF OCCUPATIONAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH At the invitation of the President Chairman of the Committee reviewed of the Association the briefly the activities of the Institute since the last special meeting First a progress re- port on the epidiomological study of asbestos mine workers was submitted by Dr. McDonald in February This report indicates that the work is somewhat ahead of schedule with the result that some funds may have to be advanced ahead of budget As regards the Antigua Conference there were 37 doctors and 7 Q.A.M.A. people in attendance Total expenditures to date 65,000.00 as against a budget of 85,000.00 The charges the printing of the proceedings of the Conference are still for to come ee, Manville has prepared a position paper on Asbestos and ee Human Health copies of which have been distributed to every ee 7 an Pe 2 The Chairman then asked Counsel to report on his activities es- Decially on his efforts concerning Bills 14816 and 5-2864 which are before the House and Senate Committee on Labour and Public Welfare of that Dr. Selikoff the United States The meeting was informed appeared before this committee and used rather strong language concerning the health of workers in the asbestos industry statements misinterpretation if which may well be misleading and not considerable exaggeration inviting Counsel was happy to point out that he had Dr. Selikoff on several occasions and felt been that visiting with the latter had however a genuine desire to get to the core of the problem and in that connection to work more closely with us Dr. Selikoff has quite a front to cope with He feels he sometimes is the center of attacks from industry As a result of his work with insulation workers 18,000 he is in demand in many circles and such circles demand more action on his part J.M. research people meet regu- larly with Dr. Selikoff's team Following a phone call from Dr. Selikoff Counsel accompanied him when the latter Dr. Selikoff appeared before the House Committee on Labour on Bill 14816 tabled by secretary Wirtz This visit to Washington was supposed to be an impromptu Selikoff had however a well prepared statement affair but Dr. Several questions were asked and some damaging comments resulted In view of this Counsel had found the situation that something should be done in Washington He O'Hara Chairman of the Committee and explained to be pressing and had contacted Mr. his position with the asbestos industry suggesting that the industry had a wealth of information which should be considered by the Committee It was therefore agreed that time permitting Counsel would be heard and if not that he should present a written submission As a matter of fact time was not available Counsel's presentation was nevertheless made to the Congress Committee The text of the presentation will be distributed at the next meeting In turn the Chairman of the Scientific Committee was invited to address the meeting Dr. Wright reported on the progress of the Scientific Committee which held its 6th meeting in February At this meeting the progress of Dr. McDonald's project was reviewed and discussed It is considered that the work accomplished is highly commendable and deserves full support It should be pointed out that this study may provide early information on the people living in the asbestos mining environment Ray film reading sessions were held to establish a unified classification and recording of asbestosis on an international basis The work was conducted by an international committee of doctors who attempted to define and agree on their interpretation of the radiological appearance of a group of chest films of asbestos employees A final meeting is to be held in London England just before the Dresden Conference in April A report on the metho- dology will then be released this is an accomplishment to be sure Dr. McDonald will also report on his epidiomological survey at the Dresden Meeting His study of Primary Malignant Tumours of the pleura or Peritonium is already in progress Dr. Wright explained that it is sometimes cheaper to have certain research projects carried out by competent people in other coun- tries because of certain specific conditions and facilities In this regard the Association is supporting projects of Dr. Vigliani and Dr. Pernis the Committee also proposes to recommend support of a study on group of shipyard workers in Halifax Nova Scotia and a study of Dr. Dumont of the University of Montreal In the U.S.A. there is a committee of industrial hygienists whose main function is to determine standards controlling noxious agents This service determines maximum allowable concentrations The Committee has potent legal standing in theory but not in practice It was emphasized that adequate information is not always available to this Committee for instance standards for the asbestos industry are not date As a result of the evidence as to crocidolite being a cause of mesothelioma strong pressure has been exerted specially in Great Britain Dr. Roach replace crocidolite in the manufacture of products wherever possible Crocidolite however should not be singled out The three types of asbestos are in the same boat The situation in the case of crocidolite comes from the experience in South Africa and Great Britain In the U.S.A. Dr. Selikoff has reported using in a high incidence their trade both of mesothelioma among insulation workers amosite and chrysotile This could mear PRODUCEL PRODUCEL PRODUCEL PRODUCEL PRODUCEL * 8383 that the exclusion of amosite and chrysotile might be asked at some future date One cannot ignore that with proper circums- tances the same fibrogenesis and malignancy apply to amosite and chrysotile These findings have been reported by Dr. John Knox in Textile Plants in Great Britain Dr. McDonald's study will show the actual situation in the asbestos operations in Quebec In view of these findings a No fibre could be used what are the possible options b) Customers may decide to use something else c Alter the fibre to a point where it is still saleable but not injurious d Like in the beryllium industry to contain the material this is possible but highly improbable due to the large utilisation of fibre e) To learn the maximum allowable concentration which is safe for the working been set at man and the 2 particles public fibres In Great Britain this per cubic centimater has The Scientific Committee plans to make an analysis of the last option in a systematic way The Committee has undertaken a survey of areas where research should be done in the field of asbestos and health and the estimates of funds needed in each area There are 4 major areas 1 Studies dealing with the maximum allowable dust concentration in the environment of man 2 Studies dealing with the determinants and mechanisms in the biological action of asbestos fibres in order to interrupt the process Mees cya re fet, fag oe mec ioe rh 2. oe a ood Men 3 Studies dealing with the reducing of the concentration and numbers of inhaled asbestos fibres 4 Studies dealing with the development and evaluation of methods used in the oreceeding considerations The engineering problems area No.3 should itself The danger however is that the job ple having already other assignments be handled by will be given industry to pec- The second area would be partly supported by scientists The cost of an intelligent program could amount to some 500,000.00 2 year for an unknown number of years The first area may last ten to fifteen years Presently there are . studies being conducted by Dr. McDonald Dr. Vigliani and Dr. Pernis In order to cover manufacturing operations in Quebec the budget should be set at 110,000.00 instead of 80,000.00 over the next two years There is very little information to talk of in the manufacturing asbestos products It seems that the industry will have to go ahead and conduct studies on textile asbestos tile roofing etc. product with 20 to 25 manufacturing To this end one needs a population years of exposure and some competent scientists nearby In the New Orleans area run at 100,000.00 to 110,000.00 the for cost of such a two years and study would a little less for the next year At Manville New Jersey the cost would be 125,000.00 per year The cost of studies in the first area would therefore amount of 800,000.00 per year The survey of desired information compiled by the Institute of Occupational and Environmental Health proposes a systematic program for studying the problem in such a way as to provide the necessary date for the purposes set forth above It is obvious that the areas are related and that there is some has not overlapping and reduplication There is been expressed before but it seems that nothing that a useful purpose might be served if the areas for study are recorded so that memories can be constantly refreshed and none of the important factors overlooked Just how this material will be used is not entirely clear which enlisted at the moment research can be It can act as a structured It scaffolding upon may assist in minimizing overlap and reduplication It is hoped that it may assist those who are designing pertinent studies to include the necessary components It may also help to indicate the areas of study which would be the most productive in terms of a speedy development size of the of safeguards It should give an understanding of problem and hence avoid the staging of inadequate the attacks The outline proposed may assist in developing an orderly approach and reduce the chance that efforts will be dissipated by pooular interests It is apparent too from such an outline that the and each several major avenues can component will benefit by be worked upon integration of simultaneously effort One may wonder why there has been a delay in the development of safe practices for using esbestos since its potential for fibrogenesis has been known for fifty years and the suspicion that it might play a role in neoplasia dates back to 1935. A paucity of knowledge has been and continues to be the major deterrent for the development of reliable and adequate safeguards This in turn can be if the traced to several factors to which attention must be directed goal of safe utilization of the fiber is to be achieved PRODUCED PRODUCED JW 83 The lack convince of study methods possessing sufficient reliability to all concerned has been a major deterrent to which con- siderable but still inadequate attention currently is being directed A paucity of adequately trained persons willing to devote their energies to the problem is a second major deterrent Equally at fault is the lack of opportunity for study and insuf- ficient funds for that purpose characteristic of past years There is no reason to expect that these problems will disappear and adequate information be obtained spontaneously without directed effort The industries involved the workers with their organizations and the government regulating agencies either directly or in- directly might be and the funds for expected to provide this purpose Past the opportunities for study experience with government agencies gives little reason to hope that they will mount a sus- tained effort and it is doubtful that the workers and their orga- nizations can do so on a broad enough scale This places the burden of developing the necessary information and putting into operation the required safeguards directly in the hands of the industries involved The time appears to have come for a concerted approach and a vigorous pursuit of the problem Following Dr. Wright's presentation it was pointed out by the President that in discussions with people who defended the tobacco industry he had been told that it had been found advisable not to be carried away by the medical profession Why not speed up Dr. McDonald's study Our Association knows of mesothelioma and this study should tell us of the degree of incidence the President added To prevent snowballing been foreseen that the of research expenditures it cost could be split up three had originally ways ... 9 C . 250,000.to Q.A.M.A. 250,000.to Manufacturers 250,000 Government It was agreed that we need a definite program to obtain support of manufacturers and government and the Q.A.M.A. is the best group to lead the copy of framework industry in this field Dr. Wright to submit to all companies so that a recommendation can be made by their advisers of manufacturers This will also help obtaining support The discussions indicated that there was a lack of communication with Directors about the problem especially as to the escalation of costs 1,500,000.00 Possibly the Executive Committee of the Institute could be enlarged so that all Directors could be better advised Suggestions were made also as to the sharing of expen- ditures by mining and manufacturing companies The Chairman of the Executive Committee explained that several research of which projects had been had been submitted recommended by the recently a certain number Scientific Committee but not ratified by the Executive Committee To do so would require an amount of 50,000.00 over an above current budget of the Ins- titute Accordingly it was proposed by the Chairman to increase present budget of Institute from 249,642.00 to 300,000.00 for 1968 This will allow the Executive Committee to study and cc- \ cept some of the projects submitted - Adopted 10 Dresden Meeting - Due to recent regulations of the U.5 Government the industry Drs Mancuso Enterline Cooper for a total cost will finance the trip to Dresden of Waylor McDonald Smith and Clark of 4,280.00 4,280.00 These six doctors are presenting papers at the Conference ADJOURNMENT Their being no further business the meeting was terminated Paul Filteau General Manager & Secretary a ra aed nf SEY 2 Me mee i TAS le eae Me ey ge fae